Should Visual Novels be considered video games?

I don't see why not

only if they're made by nintendo

>>384064528
It's hard to classify them as anything else

Well, I am playing Katawa Shoujo with a snes controller...

>>384064528
>should books be considered video games
no, they shouldn't

>>384064528
is there any game play other than choosing which line of text you say?

no?

then no, they're not. they're choose your own adventure books on the computer

>>384064528
Daily reminder that you should give Time Hollow for the DS a play, simple visual novel that takes a little to get interesting but has good characters all the way until the end

>>384064528
Depends. Some have a lot of choices and interactivity. There are some that don't have any choices and are really just novels with music and pictures.

Something like Umineko is clearly not a video game. While something like Steins;Gate you might be able to make the argument for.

It depends on how they're handled. If they have a lot of branching paths and the content you see can vary through dialogue choices enough, I'd say it can be video game material.

>>384064528
Nah. the only exception being if the visual novel aspect is mixed with actual gameplay. But simply reading and making a choice everynow and then shouldn't be counted desu

>>384064917
>Something like Umineko is clearly not a video game
But it has gameplay 100 hours in though

>>384064528
Should novels be considered games?

There's your answer.

Of course if said VN has actual gameplay elements mixed in that's another story. But one where you just advance text and there's no failure condition is not a game.

>>384065024
A lot of VNs have failure conditions. Some do bad ends with story, others just give a game over screen.

Blurring of mediums. It depends on if there is gameplay at all with puzzles or whatnot like Ace Attorney and 999, or if they are just kinetic novels and just go through an on the rails story.
Just because it uses gaming hardware doesn't mean the software has to be a game.

>>384065217
so do choose your own adventure books. it doesnt make them games

>>384065217
I know, that's my point. VNs aren't inherently games but they easily can be.

>>384065275
I think choose your own adventure book is a type of non-video game though. You're playing.

>>384065423
i like to roleplay and insert myself into the pictures when i look at hustlers. are those games?

Saying vns arent games is like saying point and click adventure games arent games.

>>384065275
Not quite the same. I think of VNs kind of like Clue--at least certain versions of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woJVCOEoVCM

>>384064528
Fuck off you pretentious cunt.

Video Games is too vague a term in the first place. It's basically just a label covering any digital interactive entertainment.
And if we say that it has to be a video GAME, then we have to define what a game is, which isn't easy.

>>384065423
>needs a fucking fail state to be considered a game
Stop using your barbaric definition of a game. Definitions this specific are actually retarded.

>>384064794
zimbabwe

If a visual novel can distinguish itself through gameplay that cant be repeated through repeated playthroughs then it can be considered a game.

football is considered a game, but if you play each game the exact same way, you'll end up losing more games than wining.

>>384065591
Some would say that not all point-and-click adventure games are games. It depends on your definition.
Is a normal jigsaw puzzle a game? Is a rubik's cube a game?

>>384065275
VIDEO games.

>>384064528
How is teen angst drawn loli considered a novel?

>>384066265
If there are so many god damned definitions, then why use them in the first place. jesus fucking christ this like tranny logic.

>>384066463
Agreed.
It can be easy to point at something and say "that's definitely not a game" or "that's 100% a game", but there are a lot of grey areas.
I doubt it really matters. It's one of those things like "what is art?". We're never gonna get a final definition.

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>>384064528
No patrick, Ren'py is not video games.

>>384066278
??? you're reading a book in physical form or you're reading one on the computer. what the fuck is the difference? there is none. it's not a game it's a book

>>384066141
Ok journo. Go enjoy your nongame walking simulators.

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Reminder, this means Visual Novels are also video games

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>>384066717

>>384066721
Books don't have audio or video. Your pedantry doesn't even make sense.

>>384066884
RPG maker isn't video games either.

>>384066825
He's right you know, silverfish are not fish.

>>384064528
Probably depends on which kind of VNs and what you consider a VN. Some people consider Ace Attorney VNs.

But objectively speaking it doesn't matter.

>>384067053
Pen pineapple apple pen.

>>384066776
Yeah, walking sims are shit, but they're still games.

>>384064528
Does it matter? Are there some tax or regulatory issues with them being classified as a video game? Who gives a fuck?

>>384066995
99% of VN's don't have video. its stationary pictures with someone talking. i.e. a picture book with audio. i could read my picture book aloud and it would be the same thing

>>384067523
You press a button and it does shit.
That doesn't mean that software are games btw.

it's an escapist choose your own adventure picture book for NEETs

>>384067265
The only thing I could see it affecting is some Video Game award. Some people might disagree that game X should be nominated, since it's not a video game.
But who cares about award shows..?

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>>384064528
No, they are pretty much the japanese version of gamebooks. Take that shit to /a/ or /jp/.

>>384066186
Made me chuckle

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>>384064528

It's highly dependent on the circumstances, just because visual novels have interactive choices that lead into different routes doesn't mean it's a game. Kinetic novels that do not have choices are objectively not games in any fashion. Novels with multiple choices aren't games either, it's an interactive novel.

Novels with ACTUAL gameplay can be considered games in some fashion

Novels with choices = not games (Steins;Gate, LB, Rewrite, etc)

Kinetic novels with no choices/choices don't change anything = not games (Planetarian, Nekopara, Eden)

Novels that have ACTUAL gameplay that is necessary to play to progress the story= can be considered a game (Kamidori Alchemy Meister, Bunny Black, Yumina the Ethereal, etc)

>>384068206
They are not allowed on /a/ unless they had an anime adaptation
/jp/ is just for autists discussing which 2hu's pee would you like to drink
Meanwhile they are allowed to be discussed on /v/
I don't even think they are videogames, but /v/ is the only board where you will get decent discussion about them

>>384068562
But LB does have gameplay.

Only thing that matters is whether they can be discussed on /v/. Which has already been established.

>>384068835

The baseball game is not gameplay, you can even choose to skip it if you wish. Doesn't affect shit.

Unless you're talking about EX, which is still untranslated.

>>384069173
This. They're allowed so what does it matter

>>384069208
You can skip all the gameplay in ME3, does that make it not a game?

>>384064528
I kinda want to make one. Like a pseudo VN not-game. Should the MC have portraits or not?

post more wafu please and thank you

>>384070992
That depends entirely on whether you need to show the MC.

>>384064917
Steins;Gate is honestly really linear. It gives a false illusion that your choices throughout actually matter. Other than True Ending flags which don't really deviate from the main path.