Is this the pinnacle of the series?

>>384048231
this is the pinnacle of bait though

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thoughts?

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>ha awakening isn't great but its brought more people to the series, the sequel will be better for sure

>>384048529
doesn't look anything like her

where are the megabuns

>>384048529
What am I looking at here exactly?

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H-HOL UP, NIGGA

>>384048231
It has the best gameplay for sure. And also worst story, but the series has never been good at that.

>>384048742
that's the most boring, stale, repetitive, redundant and unbalanced fe yet

Fuck no. Go play thracia 776 for a good fire emblem.

>>384048742
most overrrated game in the series

it's got great mechanics, excellent BEXP system, and great maps - utterly ruined by the piss-easy difficulty

PoR is a great example of why difficulty is so important in vidya. All the greatest mechanics in the world don't matter if the game is so easy you can faceroll it with anything

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Yo!

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>>384048231
Not with these designs.

>>384048231
Gameplay wise? Yes.

Story wise? Not even close

>>384049795
Unfortunately, its flaw stemmed from a dumb localization decision. Especially a shame because the localization was entirely positive otherwise.

But I don't think lack of difficulty is a fatal flaw. It still does everything else right. And still the best writing in a FE game so far.

>>384048231
As far as it does things well, it does many things terribly.
While the gameplay was there and it provided a good challenge, this was the game that made me realize that FE games need at least a tolerable story to make me even want to continue. If there was a hard part, there was no motivation for me to power through, I just didn't care so I put it down for a while and played something else. At the end I felt like the whole game didn't need to have happened, there was no logical justification behind the battles other than a character being deliberately retarded. It was a game that was saved from being bad due to the great selection of defend maps, but prevented from being the best due to having such an awful reasoning behind it and no motivation to move the player.

>>384050646
read a book

>>384052238
Rather than that it made me realize that FE doesn't need a good story but it dies need characters I can care about.
Birthright has a better plot, but the cast is so utterly insignificant that it makes me lose incentive to play, while Conquest has a retarded plot, but many of the characters are fun and charming and that's more important.

>>384048231
>NO Japanese audio
Fuck no.

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>>384048231
2 games off, but Conquest was petty good.

>>384048576
Conquest and Birthright were both better than Awakening, but Revelation somehow managed to be worse of the bunch

>>384052238
you're exaggerating

CQ was pretty shit yeah, but I never felt like it was SD-tier of blandness

I've tried to play SD/NM at least half a dozen times and I just can't. Everything about the presentation is so shit, awful graphics, terrible writing, characters have zero personality and join your team for no reason, they say "let me join" and that's literally their dialogue in the game

As shitty as CQ was, it at least met the minimum for writing/presentation for me. If you think CQ was bad, SD and NM will make you cry

>>384052951
I feel the complete opposite. The more subdued characters from Birthright, with better defined pasts and motivations are way more endearing than Contquests simple caricatures. Same reason I dislike Awakening's cast, too many simple characters that can be described in a single word.

>>384052951
That's another thing. I cared more when they died in BR, but I found too many of the Fates characters to be focused on one specific note in general. Some had more likeable notes than others but the characters were fairly weak and given that so few of them had actual plot relevance, they didn't impact motivation of the plot, given that supports are not tied to plot progression or events.
>>384053137
I'm not exaggerating.
SD was bland as fuck, agreed, but CQ had actively terrible plot. I'd rather have a bland, pretty boring plot than one that is deliberately awful and makes me want to strangle the writers.

>>384054153
>I'd rather have a bland, pretty boring plot
I bet you liked Echoes plot too you faggot

>>384053537
Not him but Birthright had a very extreme way of doing characters. Either they were terrible one-trait jokes like Setsuna or amusing and likeable, like Azama. Too many of them felt like afterthoughts though, the strong points of Birthright's plot is the deaths of the Nohr characters, which are strangely better in birthright than in conquest.

Was the fan-translation ever finished?
I tried checking in serenes but somehow I'm banned from the page.

>>384054516
Echoes plot was fine though, somewhat standard but I felt like I wanted to see what would happen next and how the story would end, unlike in SD (boring and bland) and CQ (genuinely terrible).

>>384054516
Celica was really the only big issue in Echoes that I can recall, and even most of her actions make sense from the perspective of a devout religionfag.

>>384049797
What the fuck happened with this series?
It just went from great to steaming feces as it aged

>>384055237
celica wasn't the big issue, her actions in act 4 were a small wart on the utter blandness of Echoes writing

>>384048231
Post Camilla and I'll agree.

>>384055812
She's right there

>>384055409
I dunno, I got pretty invested in it. The writing and world building in Echoes was fine and did a good job at providing a reason to keep playing.
Why is it that every argument about CQ drags in the other 3DS games? Echoes is a remake of an NES game and Awakening was a mass appeal last ditch marketing ploy. They don't have any bearing on Fates's story or gameplay.

>>384056223
every argument about every FE game drags in other FE games

just in this thread we've already had people mention Echoes, Thracia, BRT, Rev, SD, NM

>>384056198
That's a phenomenal pose of her, yes, but she is covered by other people.

>>384056409
Eh, that's stupid then
Well let's talk about CQ again then
post your mvp unit that you fed every stat booster in the final battle.

>>384055409
I won't say that the plot for Echoes is anything special, I mean for fuck's sake it's a super faithful remake of a flawed NES era FE game, it wasn't going to win any writing awards to begin with. But calling the writing of Echoes bland is just wrong, when it and the voice acting are pretty much the high points of the game.

>>384056561
Corrin, but for the Ryoma duel chapter. Fuck trying to fight through those hallways with everyone else, seriously.

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>>384048742
close, but not quire

>>384048231
people that praise conquest chapter 10 you know they're from /feg/ or rebbit(basically same people )

shit game with one of the worst translations ever

>>384056721
I beaned Ryoma pretty good, prepped Kamui before the battle and made her not only capped in every stat via items but also had her with several healing items and special stuff. Stomped him like the little bitch he was.

>>384056659
it was bland as fuck. It's an incredibly simple, incredibly generic tale of a boy and his friends rising up to fight evil. It doesn't help that the MCs and villains are also bland as fuck. The entire game rests on the strength of its presentation.

>>384056561
>saving stat boosters for the last battle
I really hope none of you do this

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>>384056778
MEIN NEGER

>>384056957
>fingerpointing

is that the best you can come up with?

>>384056957
Conquest 10 is literally the only chapter worth a damn in Fates in general.

>>384057026
It was well done though for what it was and they used a FE staple premise (e.g. Lord defeats bad dragon) for what ended up being a decent story.

Also I do save stat boosters for the final battle, it makes it so much more rewarding to blitz with them rather than incremental boosts, given that the usable characters in CQ have such great growths anyway for level ups.

>>384048529
>tits
No

>>384048331
spbp
thread is just another FE series "my favorite is better and yours sucks" contest

>>384057026
>it was bland as fuck. It's an incredibly simple, incredibly generic tale of a boy and his friends rising up to fight evil.
That's complaining about the plot, which I'm not defending. What I'm praising is the writing and delivery.
>The entire game rests on the strength of its presentation.
Again, that's exactly what I'm praising. Do you have reading issues?

>>384057026
Why would you not save them? Conquest units have fucking amazing growths for any of the good characters, the only reason to use them prematurely is to prop up a garbage unit.

>>384057734
It's not even the pinnacle of bait like he said though, it's just a half-assed attempt to stir up FEfags into arguing about how much they hate part of their series and love the other parts.

>>384057834
if you say writing you can mean anything, be more specific

>>384058049
because saving them does nothing? Those statups aren't doing jack shit sitting in your inventory. If you get a Dracoshield in chapter 7 and don't use it until chapter 28, that's 21 chapters it's literally doing nothing

It's incredibly easy to look up your unit's average stats and % to cap, then use statboosters accordingly.

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>>384057734
holy fuck

if you faggots want to circlejerk over how every FE is special and perfect go to fucking reddit

>>384058448
>acknowledging the thread was generic bait for people to just become angry over nothing is reddit
If you know so much about it then take your advice for yourself.

>>384058268
>looking up stats instead of playing and realizing what units are better and what they have strong points in
Anon no don't do that
It's like consulting a wiki for builds in a singleplayer rpg instead of experimenting.

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>>384058780
>he uses shit units

>>384058859
>he cheats using outside information

>>384058448
It is some pretty bland bait though, even you would have to agree with that. No effort at all, just a "here's a one sentence opinion go fight."

>>384059075
>using serenes is cheating
top cuck

>>384058859
>not playing to find out what units are good and which ones aren't
>letting others playing the game for him and collect the info instead
I bet you use guides for puzzle games too
I repeat don't do that

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>>384048231
birthright had pic related

>>384059285
that would be true if the game gives you all the info you need, but it's blatantly not true

it purposely hides growth rates

older games have ridiculously inane conditions for recruitment and gaiden chapters that nobody will ever figure out without a guide

desert chapter items will take a thousand turns to find using trial-and-error

don't assume everyone else is as stupid as you are

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>>384059531
>tfw the cutest unit in all 3 routes is shit

>>384058268
>if you say writing you can mean anything, be more specific
Fuck, I can't find the line on YouTube, but shit like that line about "ripping that traitorous tongue out of your mouth" where I believe it was Lukas that retorts "then you'll finally have the truth in your hands". That's the kind of stuff I'm praising in Echoes, not the boilerplate plot.

>>384059598
But we're talking about Fates, not older games or gaiden, or hidden desert items.
It's not being stupid, and finding out which characters are stronger instead of using a guide is part of the gameplay. If they had rates for every character visible it would defeat the purpose having those units at all.

>>384059598
This is Fates though anon, and it's not like units are hard to recruit until you subject yourself to Revelations.
It's ok that you're a guide using casual anon, just don't flaunt it as superiority.

>>384059898
>>384060093
trial and error gameplay isn't skillful

it doesn't make you good lmao

>>384060176
It's ok that you can only make it through the game if you have someone helping you anon, not everyone can do it by themselves.

>>384060176
Using a guide isn't skillful either, it's just lazy.

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>>384060459
never thought I'd see the day when /v/ purposely defends obfuscation of game mechanics from the player

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>>384059531
Velour was cuter
Say what you will about the game but the waifu game strong

>>384058268

>give stat boost to an unit
>he dies to a random 2% crit three chapter later

If you aren't a resetting faggot, saving stat boosts until the endgame is a safer option

>checking the wiki and calculating average stats

Kek

>>384060570
Never thought I'd see the day when /v/ purposely defends the usage of guides because they can't handle having to find shit out by playing the actual game.

>>384060713
>ironman

just because you're autistic doesn't mean everyone else is

>>384060570
It's alright anon, it's ok to need someone to help you because the game is too hard, I'm not defending the game mechanics, you're just alright being special.

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>>384060593
i like them both but selkie is my favorite

>>384060965
I liked the personality of Selkie as a wife but Velour ended up spending more time with me because she's an incredible unit. Also trashgirl is cute.
I'd use Selkie but she ends up dying to 3% hit chances way too often.

>>384060894
Says the guy who calculates stats and the best units to use his items on.

Nohr has the better royals by far

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>>384048231
In my eyes, Conquest pretty much had everything going for it. It wasn't until the localization changes began to lurk the air that the disappointment began and only kept getting worse from there on out. The story, Corrin's character and Azura were just so offensively bad it actually manages to bog the game down several notches making it an overall meh experience that could have been infinitely better if they gave a damn. At least the game is fun to play and the music is good for the most part.

>>384061601
Didn't help that they apparently had a good script written by a competent writer and threw it out in exchange for whatever mess the final product had. Or so I've heard.

>>384061601
>localization changes
Wasn't a lot of things in the original script also shit? They somehow made that worse?

>>384061601
The localization was complete shit by and large, but the plot problems of Conquest (and Fates as a whole) were already pretty fucking bad in the nip versions.

>>384061771
>competent writer

apparently it was the same guy who wrote Bloody Monday, which was not a good manga

>>384062552
Alright then maybe I was lied to, idk. Heard it on here anyway.

>>384062356
Yes, but that doesn't really change how sloppily the localization was handled. Lack of dual audio when Awakening had it, Saizo and Beruka's C support which I've heard the ellipses were actually placeholders, Rhajat's S support with her F!Corrin being the same one as the one with M!Corrin when in the jap version they had another written out for F!Corrin specifically, and lastly they didn't even bring over all the DLC which may seem trivial to some.

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>>384048231
ahaha no

>>384059531
this autistic fox's voice was the best part of birthright

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>>384059737
I know, it's a crime.

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Echoes is the best of the New Fire Emblems.

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The game was ok, not really that memorable but I enjoyed it, but it had some fun pre release and post release months.
Remember the petting scandal?
The "...?"
The "rawr" shit?
The removal of the unique support for the gay ones, replacing it with identical dialogue?
No swimsuits?
Missing DLC?
Muh Honorabu?
Kill your famiri?
Slime dad the good dad?
Kana the eternally friendzoned?
Good times. Echoes release didn't capture that same glow, all we got was flavourless complaints about the DLC and maps.

>>384063424
Remember the boycott?
That went well.

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It was hard, but that's about all you can say about it. It wasn't really all that memorable outside of how dumb the plot and writing got. Most of the difficulty was in the enemies being so strong rather than the objectives being at all interesting outside of a couple outliers, which just leads to a pretty boring Fire Emblem.

But hey at least it gave us a shitload of memes to shitpost with.

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It may not be literally the best game ever made, but at least we got Camilla out of it.

>>384063424
At the same time, that was because Echoes was legitimately fun, if not outright good. At the very least, the presentation, voice acting and scripting was pretty well done, even if the story was as bland as a 20-something year old game would have.

>>384064408
Gonna be honest, I didn't play echoes.
I only played fates so I could join in properly on the shitposting fun, which I enjoyed more than the game itself.

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>Chapter 15 of Revelations allows only 9 characters
>Tfw keep hearing from /feg/ that late game Revelations is literally 9 members all the time
Why the fuck did ISIS do this?
It is really just going to be nothing but fucking Royals, Corrin and Azura?
Also should I just say fuck it all and just grind characters out? I've been hearing that Revelations balance is complete and utter dog shit, I mean shit last chapter when everybody I am using is roughly 12-14 in levels and I just get Elise Arthur and Effie they are completely and utterly useless.
Should I just Grind and TRY to enjoy the story?

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>>384064352
Shes literally one of the worst characters in the entire series.
You must also like Peri you stupid fuck

>>384064408
It's also because Echoes was a much less popular passion project made by the devs because now they had restabilized the series financially and could afford to do so. You'll probably get a few replies telling you it was shit but I really enjoyed Echoes, especially the dungeon crawling segments. Added a lot of life to the SoV world.

>>384064408
It was shit.

>>384064650
The final boss is the only worthwhile part of Revelations.

>>384064797
No she isn't.

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>>384064832
>Tfw spent over 100+ hours in a single run of Echoes
>Tfw enjoyed every bit of it

>>384064940

>lower STR growth than Sakura, a little girl

Is there a more disappointing unit in the entire series?

>>384064797
But she's not Hinoka or Azura

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>>384065040
Aye my man. Still trying to find the special weapons in Thabes right now, I always love the mad scientist's notes when going through it and the little fella at the end too.

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>>384064832
The passion really shows, though. Even if there are aspects of the game that's aged like milk, you can see the devs, artists, and even the writers, translation team, and voice actors had a shitton of fun with the game.

>>384064408
Echoes had no discussion because it was inicredibly mediocre and bland. There's nothing to discuss about it. Gameplay was mediocre, plot was bland. It has good presentation, but two months down the line nobody's going to remember a series for its presentation.

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>>384064797
She's not the worst character until she's a walking plothole factory.

>>384064650
unit balance in rev is totally fucked

it's the only FE game I've ever played where I didn't feel bad about grinding. You're flat-out not going to make certain units usable otherwise

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>>384064940
Get that weakling the fuck out of here.

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>>384065258
>nobody's going to remember a series for its presentation.
GBAfags would sure as hell argue with that.

>>384065365
>unit balance in rev is totally fucked
>
>it's the only FE game I've ever played where I didn't feel bad about grinding. You're flat-out not going to make certain units usable otherwise
Alright so just grind out characters I like and just use them as much as I like right? I mean I don't like grinding but if it's royally fucked here I won't feel bad if I do

>>384065290
MOMMY

>>384065316
>She's not the worst character until she's a walking plothole factory.
I haven't played through all of Revelations yet, does somewhere along the line does Azura just become the stupidest bitch in the series or what?
IE Plot retardation

>>384064650
Wait until you see Odin when he joins

>>384065241
It certainly does. I fully expect another fates/awakening style game after it with tons of marketing and the same type of appeal (which isn't necessarily terrible) but I'm glad that they had the chance to make something they really wanted to put effort and actual passion into, because the game was so reflective of that and I don't see that much with big publishers nowadays.

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>>384065552
>Wait until you see Odin when he joins
Well see heres the thing which I don't fucking get, I'm on chapter 15 right and I get to Nyx but for SOME fucking reason she is LITERALLY worse off than her Conquest counterpart and she is missing an item.
WHY???

>>384065456
GBA games had more than presentation going for them. They had excellent maps, an actual plot, and fantastic difficulty (even SS, which is on par with Echoes), all of which Echoes lacked.

You can't discuss Echoes maps because they're total shit
You can't discuss its plot or characters because both were boring as fuck
You can't discuss unit viability because the entire game is piss-easy

There's more Fates threads than Echoes threads at this point

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>>384064832
>>384065040
Shadows was really fun, especially duegon crawling, but Celica'a Act 3 maps and onward are still mostly garbage, with Alms being somewhat better.
>>384065456
Good sprites require an arm and a leg, 3d models are a lot easier to work with.

>>384065551
It's just a bunch of shit revolving around her. Even in Conquest. Like what was she doing going back and forth through Valla? Why would she not take the time to explain what's happening after Corrin followed her in? Why did she not help take Gunter out of Valla even when she was clearly aware he was there and they clearly managed to get him out just fine when Corrin was there? And that's all with one fucking chapter.

>>384065258
I'd rather it be remembered fondly but distantly than have the fresh and distinct taste of shit like Fates brings back to mind.

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>>384064832
>>384065040
>>384065227
>>384065741

>>384065551
Conquest alone is a good argument for Azura being the worst character in the franchise. Rev is just icing on the shit cake

>>384065706
She's the same as she was stat wise joining 7 chapters earlier in Conquest.

>>384065465
yup

grind up the characters you feel like using to the point you're comfortable with

Revelations is best enjoyed as a sandbox where you can fuck around with a massive cast and a huge array of items

Trying to play it legitimately is silly

>>384065832
CQ is remembered fondly by a lot of people though, including me

and I'll take literally anything over forgettable shit. Being bad isn't the worst thing a work of fiction can be. Being mediocre is the worst.

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>>384065904
>yup
>
>grind up the characters you feel like using to the point you're comfortable with
>
>Revelations is best enjoyed as a sandbox where you can fuck around with a massive cast and a huge array of items
>
>Trying to play it legitimately is silly
Tell me this though, does the fucking Unit cap of 9 ever go up? Does it ever go up late game? What about the final battle will I still only be able to use 9 there? I don't understand why the fuck ISIS made all these characters but then in the Canon they decide to make you ONLY use the ROYALS essentially because of how Important they are to the plot and how base good they are.
Why

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>>384065316
>>384065868
How about wasted characters? It applies to alot of people, but DLC made her so much worse

>>384066092
She wreaks of being added at the same time as My Castle and built more around that, but then they never really took the time to write her into anything else besides sappy death scenes to make the player sad and feel like they might have lost something.

>>384066067
yes it goes up

you can check the wiki for party limit for each chapter

Endgame is Avatar + 12, and most chapters seem to be that, so that's what I'd aim for

ironically, this cap is less than BRT/CQ, both of which have Avatar + 15 limit for endgame. So Revelations gives you double the amount of units, but a smaller party limit. That should tell you all you need to know about Revelations balance

>>384065465

It's hilariously fucked. Lemme give you some examples:

>get Benny and Silas in Chapter 14
>they're both high-leveled, have boosted bases, and can be promoted immediately
>they also are only about 5 or so levels away from 20
>on the following chapter, 15, you recruit Nyx, a mage who joins... at level 9, which is extremely low for that point, where your units should already start being promoted
>also, in that same chapter, you can recruit Shura, a pre-promote with boosted stats
>something similar happens again in chapter 17, when Xander/Leo and their retainers join
>both Xander and Leo join promoted and with competent stats, and their retainers join with boosted levels, but their bases aren't changed much from their Conquest ones, making them almost unusable without grinding

Honestly, it's what I would call a sandbox route, where you have access to everyone and can just fuck around with different pairings and unit combinations and shit. Don't expect anything else.

>>384065741
Shame. I miss the over the top attack animations that the sprites had.

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>>384066558
>Honestly, it's what I would call a sandbox route
As someone who has only ever played Awakening what the fuck does "Sandbox route" mean?

>>384066780

It's made with grinding in mind, so you should basically treat as a route where you can fuck around with different unit possibilities

e.g. mage-only runs, red-haired unit only runs, experimental pairings, etc.

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>>384065861

>>384066558
>>384066913
So as soon as I hit chapter 6 just start grinding and try to have as much fun as I can?
Is there anything I can do to retain SOME sort of difficulty to it or is it all fucked and should I just get to grinding?

>>384065456
Is this supposed to look good?

>>384067110

You don't need to grind immediately. Some units just join with unfortunate levels/bases and you might need to grind in order to get them up to par with your army.

Fates has the best music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFZod_s1XM

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>>384067284
MEIN
NIGGA
DYNAMIC AFUCKINGMAZING ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS COMPLETLY WRONG AND HAS TRASH ASS TASTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVlE8u6Hhp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah_n2aYQpVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9J0_RYhWMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVKrpiphCuo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBQFNUJ8s2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqvM63tUz2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kBqP06eDRY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwKHxzfmAOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcE4-6QGgpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu1LCUJMnF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK9Y1EqjDpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpzbr3vCBjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80XAJKqRU9k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Qkzj5bStU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbLQhzsJG0A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_MW65XxS7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7wJ8pE2qKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6GrZYE2il0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jFaoLrLzd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_lgXlNVkBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6AuvA-tl3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqIJ3xiBvqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_moHXjH7pc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COgGsetFrCM

>>384067110
no, you don't need to grind immediately. Just grind the units you want to use so that they're usable

Revelations isn't a hard game by any stretch of the imagination. You get 2 games worth of equipment to shit all over its difficulty. Reverse weapons + 2 range staffs + shurikens against enemies that don't have any skills

>>384048231
overrated desu
Full of dumb turtle maps, of course /v/ loves it and thinks it's the pinnacle of muh strategy

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>>384067284
End of All Roads (all routes) > Id Purpose > Twilight of the Gods

>>384067110
The only difficulty the route provides is keeping new shitters alive on their map as they get one hit by the enemy. Besides that it's a cake walk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrfutC6DDq8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5YGxMjywSk

>>384064352
5 0 0 0

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>>384067775
>WHEN 2:58 HITS ON TWILIGHT OF THE GODS

>>384048529
>tits
>no cinnamon drills

>>384065726
Echoes story and characters were far better than the GBA games.

Echoes seemed to be going for a very operatic kind of soundtrack. With a lot of vocals. Moreso than the rest of the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82tEI4yLEWA

>>384067284
Can't disagree with that. Thorn in you in particular.
All the 3DS titles had pretty good music actually, but I don't remember much of FEA's.

>>384068353
if you believe this you'll believe anything

>>384067775

>those vocals in Lord of a Dead Empire

Holy fuck, I love that operatic style of singing.

So what ever happened to Kaga after Tear Ring Saga was cancelled?

What was the aftermath at Nintendo Treehouse after the Fates shit storm beside Rapp getting fired for an unrelated offense?

>>384068517
He went to the flower field where he met Kaneko and made a real SMTxFE that the world will never see.

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>>384068435
Presentation > Quality of Story anytime
If you have god tier Presentation but just an "OK" story everybody that plays that game will think the story is actually amazing when the faultiness of it is hidden away behind the Presentation
But a game with a god tier story but with complete ass of Presentation people will think the story is very bad when it's just the presentation making it look like shit.
This is a fact

>>384068886
The only GBA game with decent story is SS, and mostly because of the presentation.

FE6/FE7 have terrible presentation, weak characters, and a shitty "ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS" story.

>>384066092
>her being Corin's one true sibling never comes into play
>the Awakening trio knowing of her, Anankos and Corrin's connection never comes into play

>>384068886
this is true but we're talking about different things

GBA writing > Echoes writing

Honestly I like GBA presentation more than Echoes too but this is probably because I grew up on it

sprite art will always be superior to low-res 3d models

>>384069081
>The only GBA game with decent story is SS, and mostly because of the presentation.
>
>FE6/FE7 have terrible presentation, weak characters, and a shitty "ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS" story.
Oh I wasn't saying anything bad about the GBA games, I loved all 3 of them.
I was just stating that Presentation is better than a Goodish story every time.
I haven't played SS in a long time, but I remember loving it a lot as a kid, I need to replay it.

>>384065726
I enjoyed the plot and characters a lot. Dunno what the huge issue is.

>>384056778
As good a game as that is, it is NOT a good jumping on point for the series.

Fucking Dawn Brigade is shit at actually getting you good at the game.

>>384069327
>a direct sequel
>not a good jumping point

really gets that noggin joggin

>>384069287
There's no EPIC twists or ABSOLUTE MADMAN moments or WHO WROTE THIS levels of stupidity so that makes it boring in /v/'s eyes.

>>384069081
FE8 is literally an "ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS" story.

>>384069197
>sprite art will always be superior to low-res 3d models
I love Sprite art and the critical animations as much as anyone else, but I'm honestly looking forward to the 1080P models they are going to be making for the FE Switch in 2018.
As long as they can get that coolness feeling of the GBA game Animations and then the Criticals but just have it look really fucking nice? I'm down with keeping to go with this way.

>>384069327
>tfw that was my first FE game because I bought it on a whim during a store closing sale
Also I remember seeing stuff for it in Nintendo Power.

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>>384069287
Maps are shit, that's my only issue with Echoes.

The gameplay mechanics were better.
It wasn't bloated shit like Fates with the skills and pair up and all that shit. They managed to remove dura and not make the game broken, while keeping Silver weapons and even Steel ones useful. Also, being able to hold one item added a lot of strategy and careful planning, instead of packing your character with a bunch of OP weapons. And also, removing the shitty triangle was great, and finally stopped the LOLOL 100 HIT SWORDSMAN VS 0 HIT BERSERKER bullshit.

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>That Amazon page of the Leaked Fates Switch HD Port that's supposedly coming in November
Is that why we didn't get the Festival of Bonds DLC?

>>384069460
>switch models

come on, anon

Remember back to PoR. Remember back to RD.

Graphics have never, ever been a strong point of FE. The 3DS games only get away with their god-awful models because everybody's expectations are lowered 10x for handhelds.

the only thing I hate about Conquests is the city building and bonding part with blowing the screen.
I am not saying they remove it, but they should make it optional

>>384069471
Same here. I bought it, and while the beginning story was fairly decently easy to understand (Generic underage rebels are easy that way) the actual stats of the Dawn Brigade are NOT forgiving of any mishaps

>>384069448
Well I just thought the story was a nice little package that was easy to enjoy with some likeable characters. Idk.
>>384069589
I enjoyed feeding Delthea mana herbs

I still think they should add muskets and cannons to the series.

>>384069663
My little sister figured out how to abuse priests pretty early so we did that for a bit on weak ones like Edward.

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>>384069634
>>switch models
>
>come on, anon
>
>Remember back to PoR. Remember back to RD.
Yeah but come on, the Gamecube was a piece of shit technical wise.
The switch even though it's also not that big of a jump between it and the Wii U can have goodish looking games on it.
I am hopeful ISIS will make it look good and it won't be bad.
I also liked the Models in POR and RD

>>384069589
gameplay mechanics were a mess. They worked well for what they are, but it's easy to see why no other game in the franchise kept those mechanics

>>384069663
I can't be the only person who liked the Dawn Brigade. Yeah they were a group of piss-poor fighters, but FE has always been about raising these little faggots into machines of mass destruction. I enjoyed their chapters. The only thing bad about the DB chapters was unit balance, but this was a huge problem in all of RD

>>384069634
Echoes models are actually very good.

>>384069991
yeah, for an N64 game

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>>384070113
No, Path of Radiance models were good for an N64 game. Echoes models were at least as good as Radiant Dawn's.

>>384070113
lol bro, the models are far better than Radiant Dawn.
Get your eyes checked.

>>384070183
>Nohr gets Camilla
>Hoshido gets this disgusting tranny with the personality of a plank of wood

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>>384070113
are you retarded?

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>>384070439
>Hating Hinoka.

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>>384070183
I love Hinoka

>>384070692
Name one reason to like Hinoka.

>>384070692
>hate
That's too strong a word for something that has no personality

>>384069973
They're not unenjoyable, just punishingly difficult if you don't know what you're doing.

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>>384070236
>as good
No, they were definitely better.

>>384049795
>PoR
>great maps
I too love flat empty plains that require no strategy.

>>384071126
PoR is literally the best game in the fucking Series

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>>384070978
Alright yeah, I can certainly see that now.

>>384049795
>PoR is a great example of why difficulty is so important in vidya. All the greatest mechanics in the world don't matter if the game is so easy you can faceroll it with anything
But all of the most successful games are the easy ones and hard games always fall into a niche.

>>384070978
>a game that comes out in 2017 is a slight improvement on a game that came out in 2007
anon...

>>384071631
>console vs handheld game
And do you even realize how hundreds of times more stronger a Switch is than a 3DS?

>>384071309
Maybe if you think story is more important than gameplay, music, graphics, etc. PoR pales in comparison to RD, Thracia and even Conquest.

>>384071774
it's not about power

there were plenty of good-looking games on Wii.

the problem is that 3d models have never been the strong point of FE games.

>>384071774
>And do you even realize how hundreds of times more stronger a Switch is than a 3DS?
>how hundreds of times more stronger
The Switch is literally dog shit what the fuck are you going on about?

>>384072078
Do you not know how massively underpowered the 3DS is? That chunk of shit is just barely above Gamecube tier.
Switch is about twice as strong as a Wii U.

>>384072262
>Switch is about twice as strong as a Wii U.
Is that somehow meant to be impressive?
The Wii U is also complete and utter garbage.

>>384072484
Why are you trying to compare the Switch to other systems when we're talking about Nintendo here?
We're discussing FE visuals. Why bring up irrelevant consoles were FE doesn't exist? We're comparing Nintendo hardware to Nintendo hardware, faggot.

>>384072629
>Why are you trying to compare the Switch to other systems when we're talking about Nintendo here?
>We're discussing FE visuals. Why bring up irrelevant consoles were FE doesn't exist? We're comparing Nintendo hardware to Nintendo hardware, faggot.
I'm saying that the new Nintendo hardware the Switch is still shit tier if it's only as twice as powerful then the fucking Wii U you fucking Inbred nigger.
FE Switch 2018 models are going to look complete shit on the fucking Switch it's fucked

>>384072890
Mario Odyssey looks better than Knack. Hardware doesn't mean shit. People can make games look good if the artstyle fits.
Hell, Mario Galaxy from fucking 2007 looks better than a lot of PS3 games.

>>384073029
>Mario Odyssey looks better than Knack
Are you seriously fucking comparing Mario Odyssey to fucking Knack?
Knack is literally one of the worst looking unoptimised pieces of shit on the fucking PS4

>>384073305
Yeah, my point that good hardware doesn't mean good looking games.
If ISIS managed to make Echoes a decent looking game for the shitty 3DS, they'll do even better with the Switch.

>>384073029
I already said this but >>384072028

Past the GBA era, FE graphics have literally never been good.

If the new FE came out for a fucking NASA supercomputer it won't look good

the problem lies not in the hardware but IS's incompetence

>>384073785
>GBA
>good graphics
They're mediocre for GBA standards
The sprites aren't even that good.
Even the overview sprites on 3DS games look better

>>384048953
I can't tell if you're describing Birthright, Revelations, Awakening or Binding Blade.

>>384073912
>Dissing /v/'s first game
You done did it now anon
>>384073958
FE7

>>384065706

Revelations has the worst unit balancing in the story of Fire Emblem, half the cast is equivalent of Wendy. Literally the only units worth using there are Corrin, the Royals, Silas and first burtler.

>>384074071
ehh, I don't know
FE7 ain't that repetitive nor stale as it has fog of war, defense maps, 3 different modes, etc.

It's relatively balanced as most units can be used in normal playthroughs, even the prepromotes like Geitz, Hawkeye and Louise can find a place in your party.

I do give you that Eliwood and Hector modes are redundant as fuck, though.

>>384074391
>Revelations has the worst unit balancing
RD would like to speak with you

>>384074391
Azura and Shura too.

And Sakura can be dropped, as even with the buffs they gave her (yes she's buffed) she still sucks dicks in comparison to Felicia.

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>>384048742
Why bother using anyone else.

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>>384074995
No, nigga. No.

>>384074995
>7 of 80 characters have poor availability
Wow it's fucking nothing.

>>384075190
BEXP means Titania becomes obsolete as soon as chapter 8 when level 15 Oscar can have comparable stats.

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>>384074391
>had months to fix this after the jp release
>kept it the exact same

>>384074995
>RD would like to speak with you
Can you even Grind in RD? It's been so long since i've played RD

>>384075216
>>384075219
revelations is bad but it ain't got SHIT on RD

there is no excuse for Meg, Liona, and Lyre

Several units show up for a few chapters, then disappear for 80% of the game and come back more underleveled than Nyx in that screencap

80% of the cast is garbage, as in "even with babying they're still total garbage"

at least Revelations royal units aren't utterly invincible and require training to compete in endgame

Royals in RD are the best units in the game handed to you on a silver platter

>>384075334
>BEXP makes Titania obsolete
>BEXP giving free exp makes someone obsolete
>Titania
>FE9 enemies
>Earlygame prepromote + Mounted + can use forged axes
>Obsolete
Ha ha ha ha ha ha

>>384075663
no. you can't grind in any FE game before awakening, except SS

>>384075334
Lv 18 Oscar: 34.25 HP/12.75 Str/13.5 Skl/13.75 Spd/9.5 Luck/13.25 Def/4.5 Res
Base Titania: 33 HP/12 Str/13 Skl/14 Spd/11 Luck/11 Def/7 Res

>>384075663
You have to corner a priest and slowly beat him up without killing him.

>>384075674
RD has the excuse of Base Experience, you get a metric fuckton of it and if you want, with the help of the Paragon Skill, which you can pass around like a fucking joint on an philosophy course classroom, you can easily get Fiona or Meg to acceptable levels.

Even if Nyx is leveled to 20/20 she'd still be inferior to a Strategist Elise

>>384075764
You can grind in Gaiden, 6, and 7.

Wait... people actually liked Echoes? It is the only FE game that I had to force myself to finish, and I played Revelations. The characters have the depth of a pudde, the gameplay is dull, at best, and frustrating at worst. The story is insultingly bland and predictable. Really the only "character" the characters have is their voice actor, play without the sound and they almost blend into one character.

>>384076061
>Even if Nyx is leveled to 20/20 she'd still be inferior to a Strategist Elise
>Even if Fiona is leveled to 20/20/20 she'd still be inferior to a 20/20 Titania

>>384075334
Titania is nearly Seth tier nigger.

>>384075764
>Gaiden
>GBA Arenas don't exist

>>384076102
>>384076507
1/3/5 have arenas as well + 4 has it's 7 round styled arena as well which usually amounts to 2/3 levels when completed

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Anyone else prefer the character designs of echoes compared to fates? I haven't played the game yet but the designs and the art look top notch

>>384076298
You don't have to stick Fiona's neck to level her at least. Nyx barely even survives being grinded.

Also she would be better than Titania, actually. Fiona does make the 34 speed cut for the Endgame in Hard.

>>384076102
>>384076636
>comparing arena abuse to the game literally giving you grind maps

>>384076638
Well yeah, Hidari is infinitely better than Kozaki. I like some of Kozaki's designs but Hidari is one of the best available.

>>384076684
Same for Fiona, does no damage and nearly gets ORKO in return in her join maps

>>384076189
>wait... people liked a game I didn't like?
Yes anon not everyone shares your likes and dislikes.

>>384077287
You don't need to make her fight at all. Just BExp her all you have and she'll be fine. You're not that idiot who evenly distributes all your BExp among the shitters of the Down's brigade, are you?

>>384076638
I dont care for Hidaris samey kinda flat style. I can see why some do, but Echoes holds my least favorite art for the series.

>>384076972
If arena abuse wasn't intended ISIS would have fixed the problem when it first appeared. Gaiden was the game to introduce grinding maps anyway.

>>384076684
nigga Meg is a tank that gets 1RKO'd by half the enemies in her join chapter

tormod, muarim, and vika disappear for 80% of the game and return as low level tier 2 units when your army is into t3s

these shitters make Nyx look like goddamn Ryoma

>>384077519
that's not how you use BEXP in RD. Using BEXP like regular XP is how you end up with garbage units

>>384076638
Echoes has the best art.

>>384077519
No, I just give my BEXP to actually good units but I see what you're getting at anon. You know, gotta get back at the 3DS players and all

>>384077397
What did you like about it? The characters have little to no depth, they hardly interact or have depth. The gameplay is bad and mindnumbingly dull, Celica is the dumbest female character in FE.

Aside from the voices, and the art. What is there to like about it?

>>384076638
>>384077203
>>384077580
>>384077705
I wish FE16 would use Akihiro Yamada's art but I know that's a pipedream :(

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>>384077580
you have a very odd taste when you think Echoes's art is worse than, say fucking Binding Blade.

>>384077651
>Using BEXP like regular XP is how you end up with garbage units
you underestimate how big of a deal is getting at least 3 stats every level up. across 50 levels.

>>384077839
I liked the characters (felt more organic but still somewhat traditional), story (pretty standard FE fare) and gameplay (particularly the dungeon crawling and unit mechanics), and Celica is no genius but she's not even close to being the dumbest, I can name plenty dumber than her, FE is a goldmine of dumb girls.
I mean it's fine if you didn't like it but it's not a shock that people did.

>>384078019
when everybody has retarded high growth rates, you're completely fucking them over by using BEXP normally

>>384077580
You're the first one I've seen to complain about the art, I can't see whats samey about it more than the old style

>>384078019
There is just something about Hidaris art that I just dont like about Hidaris art. I dislike how they do armor and the sorta same face they have going on. I cant really explain it, they just all look rather flat to me. Maybe it would help if they more depth to their character? But the art really bugs me.

>>384078180
What do you mean by more organic? The single line they spout that has their entire character and why they joined? They have really nothing else going for them. They each have their own gimmick but since they hardly have any lines they just dont shove it in your face as much.

What is Forsyths character besides energetic? What about Pythons other then lazy? How about Leons besides Okama? Those are just a few. They have no depth, they arent realistic and they arent good.

>>384079389
Mayor get off /v/

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>>384069197
hey, I like low-poly models. They just have to be sufficiently stylized, same as sprites.

>>384079389
>awakening gets lambasted for having 1-dimensional caricatures
>echoes gets praised for having 1-dimensional caricatures

>>384079389
Not really, I don't think you understand what people like about them. Their interactions feel considerably more human (to me at least) than the previous games and the way they're worked into the gameplay appeals to me more (e.g. within dungeons, optional and providing of choice to the recruitment rather than automatically almost all of them joining, etc.).
Again though anon, just because people like different things from you shouldn't be some shocking thing. Doesn't mean I hated Fates or anything just because I enjoyed this game.

>>384079389
not him, but I enjoyed Gray and Tobin especially. They honestly feel like friends, and while Tobin is more anxious and Gray more impetuous, they aren't the usual "we're complete opposites how in the fuck are we friends" like you usually see. They're both kinda dumb, but well-meaning, with a sense of cynicism that balances Alm's idealism.

But it's true that the voice acting is what really sells this, kudos to the VAs for a job well done. If it had just been silent, or simply little voice clips, I don't think I'd have become nearly so attached to some of the characters.

>>384080241
>it's a kaga game so its ok

>>384080241
Awakening cast complain of being one dimensional doesn't make sense considering the Tellius games and Awakening are the only FE games were the characters aren't one-dimensional.

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>>384062916
I used Nyx as a Speed backpack for Xander and goddamn do they get an in depth relationship. They find something in common and find comfort in one another. My favorite pairing.

Nyx: You know, I'll always have this kind of body though..
Xander: I'm okay with that.

>>384080241
Very boxed in typical anime archetypes are annoying, it didn't bug me too much but there were a few times I thought stuff like Gaius needing to shut the fuck up about cand, etc, etc

>>384081536
>when growing up in a future where your mother still pined for another guy and your father becomes the vessel for a world ending dragon completely fucks you up

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>>384078883
>Maybe it would help if they more depth to their character?
what do you mean by depth? as in three-dimentional perspective or are you implying how much you like the story affects your perspective of the artstyle?

>>384082354
You forget the part where
>Your father is also pinning for the man your mother is
>And the man also pines for your father
>Like, hardcore.

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>>384081536
Xander's tastes really find a way to make themselves known.

>>384080247
The thing is, the characters hardly interact. I dont even mean it as a fates/awakening thing, I mean as a character thing. They dont interact enough to get a grasp of them. I dont get any sense of comradery or anything from them because they dont interact. There are things I liked about echoes but the characters arent one of them.

>>384080380
Gray and Tobin dont feel like friends at all to me. They seem like people who grew up together but dont like each other.

Like you said though, the voice acting is what you like about them, not the characters. Try reading their text alone and see if you get attached to them. For the most part I played on silent, like I do almost all my games, maybe that is why they feel like hollow shells for me.

>>384083225
Yeah, making Severa Robin's kid really does explain why she's a bitch

>>384049797
>der langrisser
> decide to go for the actual good ending
> betray everyone in the game
> kill most everyone you met in the game
> slay the goddess while sparing your waifu
> you become king of the entire damn world
>your waifu runs an orphanage you pay for and she refuses to see you until death
I know it's the good route but holy fuck does the game make you feel bad for choosing it.

>>384083356
Younger girls he can take care of? He does seem to love them. That is probably why his Sakura, Corrin, and Nyx support are good. And probably why he follows Veronica, young girl for him.

>>384083747
Maybe I shouldn't look at the art, either? It's a video game, not a novel. The audio is a legitimate part of the package, and you can't say it doesn't count because you chose not to listen to it.

And I disagree with your reading of their friendship. Maybe I have a different perspective because I've had actual friends of my own, unlike you.

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>>384078883
I actually think Hidari has a lot more range than most FE artists and his works have so much texture and flavor, I love them. I respect your opinion, though.

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>After you beat a Childs map in Fates they have a conversation with whoever the father is (Or in Azura's case Shigure with his Mother)
Why the fuck is there duo conversation with the kid and BOTH of the kids parents?
For example if Ryoma and Kagero married and they had Shiro together as a child, and if you beat Shiro's map with BOTH Ryoma and Kagero why the fuck isn't there AT LEAST a conversation between the 3 of them?
Why did ISIS do that? Have the entire family there ffs

>>384048742
This

>>384056778
>>384057052
"Micaiah's Mary Sue Adventures with Defense maps"
No thanks.

>>384084150
Voices are a help, not a crutch. If the characrer cant stand without them then they cant stand at all.

Only someone who doesnt have friends would think that the way Tobin and Gray act is how friends act. They act like they know each other for a long time, not like friends.

what is tobin's personality?
what is kliff's personality?
what is genny's personality?
what is deen's personality?

>>384083747
They have less supports but the ones they do have do more for the character. For example, Gray, Clair and Tobin. The game makes it clear that Tobin and Gray really are important to each other and it's even reflected in their endings, as Tobin becomes a broken shell of a man upon losing Gray but eventually recovers from losing Clair, and it's clear how he is fine with Clair choosing Gray over him due to how much he values him as a friend. I can get that you don't like that there are less supports but the the way the characters are integrated into the game just feels more natural too, and they feel like more believable characters due to how they are put in. I can also get that someone used to the style of support system would feel that a game like this doesn't afford enough room for them, but honestly it works great.

>>384085414
>They have less supports but the ones they do have do more for the character.
This has to be a joke, echoes has some of the worst supports in FE because they implemented full voice acting and the supports suffered because of it

I'm honestly enjoying Echoes. Sometimes simple is best. Simple is fun.

>>384085845
Dunno what to tell you there, that seems more like your personal beef with VA. Echoes had an abnormally good dub.

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>>384056778
>>384048742
>Two of the worse entries in the series
>Good

/v/ taste is so hipster nowadays, defending the two games that almost killed the series.

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>>384085845
>This has to be a joke, echoes has some of the worst supports in FE because they implemented full voice acting and the supports suffered because of it
What?
How in the Fuck can you actually HATE FULL VOICE ACTING?
What the fuck is wrong with you. What your problem is is with the VA themselves not the characters.
If you thought a character was supposed to be mad in a line of dialouge but then the VA didn't sound mad doesn't mean Voice Acting for the game is bad, it means the VA is trash.
Also how the fuck can you diss the VA's that worked on Echoes? Literally not a single Voice character was bad, the game only had average VA's pretty good VA's and GOD TIER VA's

>>384085414
>They have less supports but the ones they do have do more for the character
lmao are you for real. Echoes has the most filler supports of any FE game because they had to shoehorn supports into a game that didn't have supports. Faye and Silque's supports were offensively terrible.

>let's be friends
>no
>repeat
>okay lets be friends

it was so terrible it made me wonder why they even bothered

>>384086453
not him, but I don't give a fuck about VA. I ignore it 90% of the time because I read a lot faster than people speak. Waiting for people to talk their lines slows the game by so much

>>384086453
Wendee Lee was the voice director and she's pretty good since she has experience. I hope she keeps directing and sticks with 8-4 and they localize more FE games, hopefully untouched.

>>384086736
The reason they got good VA's this time is because isn't Wendee Lee the same mother fucker that was the dub director for Nier?
And didn't that have great VA's? Or did I hear wrong?

>>384086720
I barely used Faye, she was terribly unlikable. Not surprisingly her supports matched her.
There was plenty of better ones. It feels like this is just nitpicking now.

>>384086441
Sales =/= quality, for you to post a Gundam image and not understand that is retarded

>>384086736
This. She turned a bunch of random nobodies into good voice actors. Fuck the unions, the guys who were under her tutelage for this one game are going to be good in the future.

>>384086995
i feel like Faye was never intended to be likeable, considering how even her ending shits on her.

in a round about way, i find myself atleast caring more about her then lets say Peri, who's an awful person that gets off scott free and in most of her supports, her personality isn't treated like an problem, with the exception of laslow's support and maybe niles.

>>384087742
>Faye's ending is literally NTR
What in the fuck is wrong with the Japanese?
Why did they not even change that a little bit in the english release to make it I don't know just a little bit more happier?

>>384087742
>Alm didn't put a baby in Faye before going of and becoming the kind of Valentia and ruling together having tons of kids with Celica
Why the fuck did he not do this? I mean this way Faye would've at least been happy for the rest of her life, raising the son/daughter of the man she loved.

>>384087742
She's the obligatory pretty but unlikable character

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>>384087898
i prefer my games unchanged from english to japanese.

with that said what i find more surpising was sonya's ending, it was fairly neutral in gaiden, only to take a turn towards a bad end in echoes.

>>384088060
if that happen there might be an issue of an succession crisis in the future if some bastard son comes from a backwater village and proclaims he's the true heir. Granted i doubt Alm was thinking along these lines and he just didn't care about Faye in that way.

>>384088164
this is obligatory since when? i mean there has been very unlikeable characters in the previous games, but most of them have been male, (Lena's brother from 1, lifis from 5, etc) with the exception of faye and peri that i mentioned before.

>>384088780
Takumi was actually the one in fates.
But there's usually one good looking but unlikable character in the games that develop characters

>>384086995
Faye is one of the best units in Alm's route as cleric, you really missed out

it's not even her. Tobin and Grey, Grey and Claire, they all sucked ass. Incredibly short and reeks of filler, Tobin and Grey's supports were literally the same thing repeated 3x. Kamui and leon's were just "yeah I'm gay as fuck for Valbar"

none of them were good. And those were pretty much the extent of the supports in my game because there were so fucking few of them. To this day I cannot tell you what Genny's, Deen's, or Kliff's personalities are supposed to be

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>>384088780
>i prefer my games unchanged from english to japanese.
>with that said what i find more surpising was sonya's ending, it was fairly neutral in gaiden, only to take a turn towards a bad end in echoes.

>"Sonya's search for a cure for women turned into witches took her across the land. Her trail ended in a remote region, after which she was never seen again. Rumors fly, however, that shortly thereafter a new witch took up residence in Nuibaba's abode on Fear Mountain."
She literally just becomes mega witch, what the fuck at least Deen just disappeared not knowing whether he dies or not is better than seeing Sonya turn into mega witch what the fuck.
Also
>That picture
>We are finally going to get supports between Marth/Caeda with Chrom/Lucina
Oh my god it's going to be sooooo cuuuuute

>>384089090
What? Tobin, Gray, and Clair's were great. I know you might prefer the heavy support games around it, but I don't really know what to tell you if you're this dead set on disliking it.

>>384089090
as someone that loved echoes

>Genny
Loli bait
>Deen
Edgy
>Kliff
Yaoi Bait

not really personality's, but eh, a lot of the side characters never have established personality's with a few exceptions, it always makes me bit disappointed.
>>384089030
Takumi is rather unlikeable i will agree, not for everyone, but i feel he wasn't intended to be likeable on the conquest story route for sure.

>>384089229
yeah seriously i have no idea why they just made sonia turn into nuibaba 2.0, she doesn't deserve it.

also that would be pretty cute, the support thing.

>>384089612
tobin and gray were literally "yeah we're best friends look at how best friends we are and care about each other" repeated 3x

gray and clair's were slightly better but it was so fucking forced it hurt.

>I like you
>no you dont you barely know me
>uh I like you

I don't even remember how it ended, it was so stupid

the sad thing is, those shitty conversations is more characterization than everybody else received in my run

>>384089898
That's pretty standard FE fare though.
I'm obviously not going to convince you of anything though.
Have fun with other games I guess, dunno why you felt the need to play it if you prefer the games with heavier support focus like fates and fea.

>>384089898
you can trivialize literally anything like that.
the entire support was Claire seeing if Gray was actually a man of his word and wasn't just lying to woo her. You learn a lot about both of their characters from it despite them having big speaking parts in the story. A considerably high step up from the romance in previous games.

>>384089651
Yeah that's what I mean, he's pretty but deliberately an unlikable guy

>>384069615
>That Amazon page of the Leaked Fates Switch HD Port that's supposedly coming in November
i just bought a 2ds to play the damn things
oh well, as long as they don't include petting i won't feel scammed

>>384084715
I mean that's just your own standard you're applying. Just as bad voice acting can ruin a character, good voice acting can save it. You're arbitrarily saying voice acting doesn't really matter.

>>384084619
>micaiah the mary sue
>not ike

>>384090476
>if you prefer the games with heavier support focus like fates and fea
but I don't

I don't give a shit about supports, gameplay is the most important thing about FE for me (Echoes failed at that too)

I'm just so fucking tired of people heaping praise on Echoes writing when it was as terrible or even worse than other FE games

>>384090603
it was incredibly forced and stupid. People make fun of awakening/fate's supports for having romance come out of left field when they hit A support, but when Grey falls in love for literally no reason it's okay

people make fun of awakening for having one-dimensional characters, but when Echoes does it it's okay

people make fun of Awakening for having shitty maps and being too easy, but when Echoes does it it's okay

people make fun of Corrinsexuals who have no supports besides Corrin, but when half the Echoes cast have only one support it's okay

the hypocrisy of Echoes fans disgusts me. The sheer fucking hypocrisy and blind fanboying over Echoes simply because it's not Fateswakening - that's what really fucking gets me.

>>384069615
Is that the one with the terrible art? The dlc I mean

>>384091204
So you're just mad people like a game you hate? Grow up. I can praise it if I enjoyed it and you can shit on it without acting like a kid.

>>384091204
Its genuinely possible people prefer Echoes writing to Fates and Awakening, you know that right? Most of your complaints are subjective. With your corrinsexuals, the complaint arises from every other character having a dozen supports, and corrinsexuals arbitrarily only having two.