What is the best MMORPG right now?

Minecraft.

>>384037357
Runescape

>>384037357
Why does the UI and icons all look like they're from different games?

>>384037787
korean polish

>>384037357
BDO/FFXIV

Both are fucking garbage though. Look for another genre until 2018-2020 when kikestarter piss is supposed to be released

>>384037357

FF14

>It's a "pretend that Black Desert Online is a bad game" episode

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>>384038659
>pretend

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>>384038659
>singleplayer job simulator
>only multiplayer aspect is bumping into afk players dragging a backpack around for 2 weeks so they can be .00003% faster or ganking said afk players
>literally zero pve content outside of paddling a boat into poorly rendered water with some the absolute worst boat controls in modern gaming so you can pretend you're on Wicked Tuna.
>UI is a hot mess
>Textures and models pop so much that you could sell it at a movie theater
>literally pay to win
>need to take out a 30 year mortgage to buy cosmetic items
>art direction is shit

I can go on.

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>>384037357
Free?
Probably a toss up between Tera, BDO or Runescape

P2p?
Probably a tossup between WoW or FFXIV

Overall?
Whatever you like, they all have their merits and flaws.

>>384039626
>BDO
>free

>>384039854
I'm sorry, i should've said not subscription-based.
The initial cost is so small it may as well be free though.

>>384039393
Not an argument.

>>384037357
Definitely not that one.

It's got a good economy/crafting but the gameplay and progression is a fucking snoozefest.

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ESO has come a long way its pretty good now. If you liked WoW but dont like current WoW ESO offers a similar flavor of MMO content. Tons of voiced quests 4 man dungeons 12 man raids 4v4v4 pvp arenas and open world 3 faction PvP. Also the exploration is really nice alot of small details to find in the world

>>384038361
Whats that?

>tfw no good MMO I can buy on steam

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>>384039393

update your Brazilian dog picture to modern times

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>>384039393
>>384038659
I can add onto that
>Nothing but Repetitive fetch quests
>Turns exploring the world into late game content
>No dungeons, or raids
>Turns co op, and community bosses into a complete chore because the game gives you very few tools to find other equally accommodating players
>You could have a billion shekels and the game will still insist you pay IRL money for content established off in game currency
>pawns any redeemable content off as DLC
>There's only like 12 armor sets, per class
>Doesn't properly explain any of the core game
>Makes profile quests intended for late game content
>Side quests don't contribute to anything but contribution points, making doing every side quest in the entire game pointless and stupid
>contribution points don't even contribute to anything useful or interesting besides nodes
>Makes Noding both completely essential and an obstacle at the same time
>Pointless Guilds
mechanics
>Skill Tree is a hot mess
>Nodes... why are these even a thing
>Pvp is utterly abysmal
>Bosses are too easy

>>384041425
FF14 is available on steam.

BTW what's the monthly subscription for FF14?

>>384039393
>>384042209
>being poor
lol

>>384038659
It's not a bad game but it is definitely not the best mmo.

That award goes to the mmo you hate most

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>>384042538

probably ff14, if only i could FUCKING DOWNLOAD IT. some people just can't download the game through the game client for GOD knows what reason, it's absolutely ludicrous

>tfw a buy2play Archeage is my ideal MMO
>tfw they just couldn't help themselves by fucking up a promising game.

Out of current MMO offerings, Runescape is unironically the best.

>>384042538
>paying for DLC

Is this another thread where we all pretend wow doesnt exist
Am i too early and ruining the roleplay session here

gw1 servers are still running so that's still the best mmo

>>384043080
t. Wrathbabby

>>384042932
Archeage beta was some of the best fun I've ever had in an MMO. Being an actual pirate and commandeering ships/plundering trade vessels was the best. But Trion just had to fuck it all up.

Albion Online and its not even close

unironically GW2, but treat it as an mmo with a 20 dollars buy in instead of a f2p with an expac.

People give it a lot of shit since it isn't really anything like the first game, but it's very good in its own right.

>>384043335
It's one of the few times a game delivered on most of its promises.
Then it fucking ruined everything that worked. It makes me so mad because I remember the beta as well, and everything I wanted to do in an MMO was finally possible.

>>384037481
Unironically OSRS

>>384043892
>it's very good in its own right.
The instanced PvP is fucking dead and the world v world is just a zergfest.

The PvE is hot garbage and the story is even worse.

>>384043892
the only good thing in the entire game was exploration and leveling.

Rest is a steaming pile of dog shit, and I've bought it on release.

>>384043892
>but it's very good in its own right.
No. No it is not. The only thing it's really got going for it is that the endgame grind is for cosmetic rewards, not a gear treadmill (excluding ascended stats, which make ~10% difference in damage and defense).
That said, it is the best MMO on the market, but that's less a compliment to GW2, and more a statement of MMOs as a whole.

>people still think Koreans can put out anything half-decent
I tried Metin2 once
Never again

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>>384043335
It was fun up until they decided to go full pay to win
>shop adds a thunder tree saplings with a 3/4 chance of proc
>completely made the vast guild made tree farms pointless
>you will never again experience raiding a tree farm while a dozen other guilds do the same thing
>you will never have one appear just close enough to not instant kill you so you can have your tank friend put a barrier up so you can steal it

It had the potential to replace WoW but the korean devs and trion just had to fucking ruin it by getting greedy.

>>384043892
>unironically GW2

AAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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>tfw you just want to play GW1 but the game is fucking dead as shit
So many builds. So much fun for years.

And then we got GW2 which might as well have been a completely new IP.

>>384045216
I will never understand why people on /v/ think that a game focused entirely around PVP would replace WoW, an almost entirely PVE focused game.

>>>/vg/182744785

will the /gw2g/ bot ever stop

>>384037357
Dofus

BnS

>>384045639
I still remember the bitter disappointment of launch, seeing how they'd thrown the overwhelming majority of the core concepts that made GW1 the unique game it was.
And shortly after launch, in a press event of some sort, Colin Johanson was asked something to the effect of "What do you say to the veteran GW1 players who don't like the changes GW2 has made?"
His response? "They can go play GW1." Just utterly spitting in the faces of all of the players that even made GW2 possible.

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>>384045932
Hasn't this been going for 6 months now? The only thing more autistic than the guy who made the script is the guy who keeps making new generals.

>>384045713
Nothing is going to replace WoW until the servers get shut off or the US gets nuked. Mark my words, WoW will still be alive 20 years from now. There are so many people hopelessly addicted to that game that I'm pretty sure it will be running until something physically forces Blizzard to shut it down.

>>384037787
Because all Korean MMOs look the same.

>>384042524
13€ for 8 chars on each server 10€ for 1 char on each server

Also its lame as fuck with a 2.5s global cooldown and fucking combo system

1 2 3 4
1 2 5 6
1 2 3 4
1 2 7 8
1 2 3 4

Also a majority of the armor looks gay as fuck

>>384037357
Life.

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>>384037357
Vindictus

Ive never played a final fantasy game

will i be lost if i pick up 15? i have a feeling i will

also can someone give me a quick rundown because i have no idea what the game is about or the gameplay. i thought it was a single player rpg, not an MMO

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>>384037357
Show me anything better than this gem I dare you

>>384046441
>floaty, laggy combat: the mmo
No thanks

>>384045639
>there's an entire generation now who haven't played GW1
>but they won't play it because it's "old" and it "looks ugly"
How do we fix MMO gamers, /v/?

>>384037357
ESO. I don't understand how someone enjoying MMORPG's wouldn't enjoy ESO unless they absolutely hate the Elder Scrolls universe.

>>384046446
There is nothing you need to know about any previous FF to play XIV. It's a stand-alone story for the most part.

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>>384046506
>floaty, laggy combat
Hm?

>>384046506
that's only when you team up with other players
if you're autistic enough you can run everything alone since all the missions up until like level 60 are designed to be played solo

>>384041121
Totally not a marketer.

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FFXIV is probably the only MMO worth investing any sort of time into these days.

Rest are past their prime like WoW or so shit they're not worth the time investment. If i wasn't a worthless NEET leech i'd be playing FFXIV right now probably.

>>384046595

How long does endgame content like raids take? I like MMOs but I have nowhere near as much free time as I used to.

Do i still have to plow through shitloads of story content to get to the current end game

>>384046102
Dead

>>384046441
Dead.

>>384047197
>>384047307
how about i make you dead motherfucker.

>>384046719
Well then you can't really qualify it as a good mmo.

>>384047195
(FF14)

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>>384046703
It's funny because this is over 4 years ago and the game doesn't play remotely like that anymore. It's just spamming your iframe dodge or invuln skill when the boss looks in your direction.

>>384042209
The character creation looked nice but thanks to this comment I doubt I'll ever play. I was having fun with blade & soul up until it turned into just straight up farming for moonwater transformation stones every day.

XIV/GW2 sadly

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>>384047587
>GW2
Don't even joke about playing that trash.

>>384042538
jesus man, if you're the advocate for BDO you're just making it look worse. stop replying anytime.

>>384037357
SWTOR hands down

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>>384047124
you mean how long does it take to get to the point of raiding or how long does a single raid take to finish?
Because in the /tesog/ guild we have had real lowbies do the normal raids and be fine albeit very not optimal. To get to the point of serious raiding might be a few hundred hours depending on if you know what you are doing to optimize time and farming.
As for the time it takes to beat one a full raid might between half an hour to a full hour depending on your deeps and people in general.
>>384046803
fuck off with this shit man Im trying to talk about videogames here.

>>384046703
>>384046441
Vindictus 2 when

>>384037357
There isn't one.

LoL and WoW killed MMORPGs and then shot themselves on the kidney.

The MMORPG general on /vg/ is so dead they are talking about card games now just to stay afloat.

>>384046595
Light Attack, Heavy Attack, Block, Interrupt

Most mobs you fight will cast something you need to block or interrupt or move out off. That means you cant kill mobs as mindlessly as in a standard tab target mmo.

Also new people who try it can have difficulties making an efficient build, so they run out of resources and it ends up taking a long time to kill things.

There is also animation cancelling which means that to play efficiently you look spastic as fuck just starting to swing your sword and then insta blocking and shit like that. Breaks immersion and looks silly.

>>384047920
..What is the point of a general for an entire genre? Thats retarded.

>>384047764

Yea I meant raid length. Getting geared for it is something I can eventually get to, but I remember spending hours in wow raids

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>>384047356
Come at me little man, I'm like 163 cm tall.

>>384037357
wow is still on top by a mile and it's not close. no matter if you personally like raiding, pvp etc., if you tried to objectively compare the breath and depth of mmos nothing would even remotely come close to wow. that's just the way it is.

>>384046316
>Also its lame as fuck with a 2.5s global cooldown
play ninja
if you don't press a skill at least once a second you're playing the game wrong

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Best MMO

If you have been playing MMOs for a while:
Unironically OSRS is probably the best MMO

If you're new to MMOs:
WoW.

As someone who joined during TBC, played most of WoTLK & Cata, as well as some of MoP and WoD, I can safely say the game is dead to me now. But, I can't deny that WoW does have a shitton of content, and that it's easily the most polished MMO on the market, especially when it comes to how the controls/combat feel. Someone who's new to MMOs or hasn't ever played WoW, should probably play WoW.

>>384037787
I only recognize Blade & Soul and XIV elements, what else do you see?

>>384037357
No matter how many times you ask the answer is still going to be that there are no good mmos right now.

>>384048052
there's a general for 4x games as well and it's actually one of the best on /vg/

>>384048054
Yeah so that really depends on the people you are doing them with. A top tier raiding guild that is just doing farm runs can do them in about half an hour or less while a new guild full of moms and new players that dont know the mechanics might take an hour.
Really depends on the group and what version you are doing. You arent gonna spend hours in one raid unless its brand new and everyone is learning it together but thats rare.

>>384043335
>>384044294
>>384045216
I never played the beta but I've heard basically this from everyone that ever played it so I ask; Why hasn't anyone made a pserver of what the beta was like?

>>384048085
>.gif
where's that from? I need to watch the entire show

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>>384048571
Right pic

>>384048001
>pull several packs
>use 2-3 ground aoe dots
>they die almost immideately
>can't kill you because strong self heal/shield or both
>repeat

for single target
>cast all ground aoe dots you have
>cast single target dot if you have it
>use single target skill 1-2 times
>repeat
that's your gameplay for every dps class possible in game, game should be renamed "AoE DoTs Online". Also loot system is too rng heavy.

>>384041121
Dungeons feel so bad in that game though. The different roles don't feel like they were designed to work together at all.

>>384049791
Everything about it is horrible. I can only aasume the people who like it havent played another MMO in their lives.

>>384037357
>Auction house is literally rng
Yeah no thanks. Never trust games made by gooks.

>>384039393
You just described ff14

>>384050379
>ff14
>literally zero pve content outside of paddling a boat into poorly rendered water
I know you're shitposting, but come on...

>>384048364
>WOW in any year past 2014

>>384043080
WOW is no longer an mmo rpg.
Wrathbabby

>>384037357
FF14 has the most solid presentation and soundtracks of any current MMO with devs that actually balance the game and do their work.

https://youtu.be/2_GBDbXfVus

>>384048754
it's basically the subscription, you can actually play for a month without collecting anything on the market and grab one of these with loyalties and collect if you really want to jew

>>384048440
>Play Current WoW
Fuck no, at least recommend a private server or something

>>384050876
FF14 is pretty damn good. I just wish I was able to play the class I enjoy without having to wait for 30 minutes

>>384043176
>>384050837
Litteraly playing since korean beta
I appreciate the attempted projection tho

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>>384037357

Dragon Quest X

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>>384037357
WoW

It's always been WoW

Wildstar

please play with me

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>>384051271

The combat, gathering and dungeons are fun. But the main story and events are really really bad. FFXIV would be good if you could just do whatever you want instead of being forced to play the story first. It's not even worth crafting or gathering until you complete the main story. Then crafting is unnecessary since the story gear is good enough to do any instance. And you don't need any money except for glamor gear.

FFXIV is a good themepark MMO. But still has all the same problems themepark MMOs have. We need a new open ended MMO like RO or SWG. Something where you can go out and just explore/level without having to rely on quests. Tree of Savior should have been this, but they fell for the quest EXP meme and became the absolute worst at it.

I enjoy TERA the most from a pure gameplay point-of-view, running dungeons is a blast. Too bad the game gets literally no content and when it does it's mostly recycled.

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SWL (or TSW if you don't like the changes in SWL, I guess)

Someone tell me why I shouldn't be excited about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hd-ImkV48w

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>mfw getting more and more involved with the crafting in FF XIV

I was not expecting this much depth at all

>>384055540
Well firstly, it's not an mmo. Secondly, it seems to be crafting survival early access shit, just without the decency to have an indefinite early access period or the survival.

>>384056248
really?

everyone has been telling you

>>384045932
wish this would happen to other mmo generals

ffxivg and tera for example

>>384046441
how is it a mmo when its lobby based

>>384056248

>depth
>buy items on the marketboard
>sit your character down and auto craft, then walk away for an hour
>repeat

Gathering at least makes you do something.

>>384046441
>sluts and fuckboys: the game - button mash edition
nah

>>384038659
it's like archeage but even worse! what's not to love?

>>384046595
I just don't care for the combat. It doesn't feel fun. All my damage is from stacking ground aoes and dots then holding down heavy attack. Said ground aoes, dots, buffs and shields all last less than ten seconds so I keep having to reapply them over and over again. Playing a mage just doesn't feel good.

Then again, I'm coming from XIV as a BLM main. I am too much in love with explosive aoes that deal heavy burst damage after a casting time. Shit just gets me rock-hard, and ESO has none of that stuff save for in pvp, which I don't care about.

>>384045216
>you will never be a fresh character getting in a rowboat and sailing to your doom trying to explore again

>>384053916
this

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>>384056805
Are you implying most modern MMOs aren't just LFG simulators

>>384060130
Large world that players share designed to get players running around in said world = mmo.
The more instancing you have the less of an mmo the game is.
Lobby based single player focused garbage = retail wow and every other modern "MMO" that removed mmo features because casuals don't want to play MMO's.

Dragon Quest X

japan onry though

>>384037357
Id try Black Desert out, if they actually released a male counterpart to the Sorceress

>>384045639
this is exactly my feeling. I felt so mad I wasted my money. There was none of the initial charm left. They even cartoonified the art style to "grab the wow audience"

>>384039393
>singleplayer job simulator
What is "every single fucking MMO ever fucking made"

>>384043892
Bud, not even the ERP community in that bitch is worth the hassle. And that's coming from someone who's played it on and off since release, becoming increasingly dissatisfied each time.

>>384061357
>there's an entire village full of sorcerers
>human male sorcerers, female elf sorcerers, those tiny people sorcerers, deer people sorcerers, probably otters too
>all those unplayable races and genders that are literally everywhere in the game world but not accessible to players
Why would they do that?

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>>384037357
World of Warcraft: Stormblood

>>384050624
>ff14
Even reddit says it's shit its sub is like 742 redditors only.

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>>384063474
Korean laziness. KMMOs have gender/race locked classes because they're too lazy to animate everything for the rest of the classes. Look at Tera, it started out fine with the classes but then turned into more race locked bullshit when they released new ones. Gooks are probably some of the laziest, most inefficient game devs out there.

I ran the numbers. It's Blade & Soul.

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>>384063932

>two DPS classes and no tank
>queue is an hour long
Excellent idea Yoshi. Honestly, Samurai should have been a tank.

>>384063932
Is it worth?

Is it somehow impossible to make a good MMO?
Is there some kind of triangle of like gameplay-graphics-costOfPlaying where you can only choose 2 or something?

Why is a simple UI with a good story, interesting Pve/Pvp, good graphics and longelivety not possible? Is it because all mmo's need grind to survive?

>>384064506
Greed from the Publisher, usually.

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>>384064065
I guess that's what happens when you outlaw porn for the country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc

secret world legends is worse than the secret world, but I like it and play it. it's cool and has a lot of single player content.

>>384064506

>Is it somehow impossible to make a good MMO?
It kind of is. A true MMO would have to be six different games in one. An open world exploration game, a single player story focused game, a crafting game, a gathering game, a PvP game, a MOBA style game, etc. All of these things don't blend well together. So it causes most developers to just focus on two or three of them. Most MMOs these days just focus on story focused quests and dungeon instances with really weak arena PvP and crafting tacked on.

>Why is a simple UI with a good story, interesting Pve/Pvp, good graphics and longelivety not possible?
See above.

eve online, obviously
it's hard not to be best mmorpg when it's ONLY mmorpg

P1999 Everquest.
Followed by Old School Runescape or EvE online.

>>384037357
ffxiv

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/wiki/obscure
Any one you play any of these obscured mmo

>inbeforereddit

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>>384064506
It's complicated and making mmos is hard. Also one of the few genres where your payment model affects the game really hard.

If you want some info. Even though this stuff is years old now too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvK8fua6O64

http://mud.co.uk/richard/The%20Decline%20of%20MMOs.pdf

>>384064506
yes
see; destiny, division, etc.

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>>384065492
Isn't old Runescape the one that cause this shitfest?

>>384065220
I was so disappointed with legends

I liked the regular one, but stopped playing two years ago, then i tried legends and they legit made the combat even worse

>>384065874
I hate fags they ruined everything from fur, 4chan, anime, to MMORPGS. The game is complete cancer but at least it has a grind and resistance to casual retards. Slayer PVM is fun the rest is garbage (Agility, hunter, PVP being dominated by Pures). It's something you can do while listening to music or want monotony.

P99 Everquest is easily THE MMO right now. EvE online are my preferences but even EVE can get boring.

so then which one do i get, ESO, or BD???

>>384066605
BD requires you to commit at least 2-3 months to the game

>>384064035
okay

but to say there's literally 0 pve content in ff14 is pants on head retarded. There's so much PvE in ff14 that's actually genuinely challenging that I can't remember it all. I was trying to do shiva ex the other day and failed miserably because I couldn't remember all the specifics to look out for.

>>384064035
now your just not even trying.

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>>384065874
>Make the bird god gay in RS3
>Everyone wanted him despite him being used goods
>Make a shitty pride parade event for OSRS
>Everyone fips their shit
It's okay when furfags do it

>>384066605
neither quite honestly

>>384065492
>Project 99
>Worst admins the game.

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There is literally nothing stopping you from playing the best MMORPG of all times, including the current time.

You can also play Tibia if you are feeling hardcore.

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>>384068076

>There is literally nothing stopping you from playing the best MMORPG of all times
Except IP blocks and a lack of localization.

>>384067568
I've never heard of them doing anything sus. End game raiding is cancerous unless you like politics, drama, fashion questing epeen tunnel antics. Were you a raider that got banned for violating engagement rules or something?

Always been on the ball getting rid of multiboxing scum too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfvADznhTQA

MMOs are dead everyone plays gacha mobile games now get with the times

>>384063932
What reshade are you using in this screenshot?

>>384041121
ESO is literally a WoW game with bethesda skins. Everquest2 is less of a rip off of WoW than ESO. The character creation meta is hot garbage, with pvp being all min/max builds. The crafting is the most boring and repetitive of any mmorpg I've ever played. I could go on, but why bother when there's other new and awesome bethesda games like Legends, which is totally definitely positively not a complete rip off of hearthstone. Are you seriously boasting an elder scrolls games voice acting? They're a multi-million dollar company and they use like 4 fucking voice actors per game. Bethesda voice acting is notorious for being horrendous, and I seriously hope you're just baiting.

I dont even know if I enjoy guild wars 2 but something are done very well /or fantastic and other things are shit.
COmbat can be decent and the amount of content and things to find and builds to experiment with is staggering.
The character models, art direction/style of the wardrobe and community are pretty garbage especially in pvp. 1,5+k hours is pretty decent for 20 €

>>384043420
>it's not even close
what do you mean, isn't it out next week

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As someone who currently plays FFXIV, I can honestly with 100% certainty say that the best MMO was, and still is Guild Wars Factions.

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>>384038361
i agree with this, you only got two options and both are compelete garbage for many reasons.

FFXIV is a single player always online game with shallow infinite grinding treadmill design.

BDO is like a beta of what could be a good sandbox game but has nothing but barebones everything.

My beef with FFXIV is that it constantly gets worse as time goes on and is nowhere near as good as FFXI was, because they want it to be like World of Warcraft.

and BDO just simply aint done, its obvious they are actually still building a fucking game not that one was complete and they are adding to it.

I resubscried to WoW recently after a 6 month break and really enjoying the game right now.
Then again I've played it on and off for 12 years now so my opinion is biased.
I have tried a lot of MMOs, but I can't play them for more than 3-4 weeks before they stop being new and interesting, leaving just a small amount of unpolished gameplay options for PvE and PvP compared to big daddy Warcraft.

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>>384046441
vindictus is a dead game

i liked a lot of things about it, but that was thanks to the source engine.

It isn't an mmo, it is mostly a hallway simulator like warframe, and it has vertical content that makes every previous season a dead void of no players cause everyone is at the peak of the newest content.

its a dead game

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Private servers are comfy as fuck

>>384070685
yeah, guildwars was fucking bomb, but its like how planetside is still better than planetside 2, or anything else for that matter. A lot of sequels sucked shit cause they wanted ez money by copying what was popular
>WoW
>COD
>Battlefield

instead of reinventing the wheel they could have stuck to what made their game good to begin with and unique, but nobody wants to make money with a good product.

>not waiting for Pantheon to come out
what are you, a kid that only likes themepark MMOs?

WYD: With Your Destiny

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>>384045639
I want to play it so fucking bad, even just the campaigns again, but I can't figure out my password and the customer support team never responded to my query. Not about to buy it on Steam or some shit when I have all the disks.

Still one of my top three favorite games of all time. Nothing is ever going to fill its absence. My heart is buried in Ascalon with the bones of the dead.

Rest in Peace

>>384065607
>It's complicated and making mmos is hard.
You're a fucking retard. How dare you enter into a conversation with absolutely no relevant info so you just make up shit and assume it's "hard"? I could make an authoritative node.js browser game with 20 tickrate with chat, RPCs, and support 100 concurrent players per instance in under a day on a free webserver. Writing netcode is inherently more work and requires planning ahead but these things are all SOLVED PROBLEMS and you have the luxury of fucking buying a book or Googling if you're too stupid to figure it out yourself in 2017.

>I bet it's haaaard :(((
is not a fucking excuse for the atrocious state of the modern MMO market. It's JUST poor decision making and greedy fucks copying themepark MMO design.

>>384061750
>>384046126
They pretty much has a WOW FOCUS GROUP for GW 2.

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>>384037357
GW2

age of wushu :^)

>>384071152
please link, I've had a hankering for this game again

DFO is still alive

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>>384072863
Agreed.

are all of the popular games mentioned here good and will last hundreds of hours, but people have gotten tired of MMOs after playing them for so long????

>>384072853
Disregarding the fact that GW2 is shit, you posted a screen from the worst map in the entirety of the game.

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I've been playing BDO for the last month and been having fun, though I don't grind much and mostly explore and work on crafting. It has great value when you consider the amount of content you get just one time purchase.

>>384073774
Just started playing XIV recently. It's fun.

>>384056931
>Autocraft
lmao not if you want those HQ item which are the only thing worth it

>>384037357
ESO

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>>384054614
>FFXIV combat
>mindless tab targeting with gorillions of skills to use in a single fight
>fun

>>384074553
someone said the combat is shit. ESO is probably bad.

>>384048712
Im pretty sure its from a downtown batsu game

KA KA KA.

>>384074517
>which are the only thing worth it
with only 40 sale slots, it is impossible to make anything other than piddly fucking babby money selling equipment

>>384074883
>someone said
don't talk shit if you don't know

nah, compat is great, unless you literally like that "click on target and select skill" instead of actually aiming

>>384074254
The worst map is dry top retard.

>>384073774
Some.
ESO, GW2, WoW, XIV, are all games that will get at least 100hrs (granted you aren't immediately turned off by something).

>>384075237
i don't have to know if i trust my anons

>>384075341
>trust my anons
You are on /v/ dipshit

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>>384055002
>or TSW
isn't that gone forever now that SWL is out?

>>384075404
i trust your assessment

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china will save us

>>384037357

FF14 sadly.

>>384075816
i liked china better when they were communist desu

>>384075816
There better be an emote that lets titty monsters smother lolis or rest them big tiddies on their head

>>384075816
what gaem?

>>384065847


lmfao

>>384076337
Moonlight Blade

>>384071152
>>384072995

I play this online a lot.

usually a couple times a week.

[/spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PfIqZcso5k
[/spoiler]

im not the guy int he video but i play with him sometimes

>>384076337
Huniepot: Forced Bukkake Innocents

You guys should totally play Sociolotron.

>>384075112

To be fair, you don't really need money in FFXIV except to buy the gear that helps you gather or craft. Ironically, being a crafter, you are spending all your money on mats and gear. Then once you finally max out crafter, you don't need that money anymore.

Which of course makes crafting pointless unless you just like doing it.

>>384074842

>I don't know what macros are
And even playing something like DRG or BRD which have the most buttons to press, the typical rotation is 12 buttons + 3-4 more for dependent skills like jumps or songs. And on my DRG, I have gotten it down to 4 buttons with macros + three jumps. That's only seven buttons I press overall.

You think that's a lot? Try playing fucking stealth Imp Agent in Old Republic. 4 whole rows of hotkeys and it's still not enough.

>>384076337
moonlight blade. western release never ever

>>384075254
At least Dry Top has unique mechanics. Shit unique mechanics, but still a step above Tangled "wait for the timer to tick down and then zerg big thing for little reward" Depths. Also DT gives Ascended weapons.

>>384076626
>Try playing [...] Old Republic
no

>>384076760
DO NOT come to dry tops defence bitch
And when it comes to vanilla tyria all of Orr needs to sink

>>384075816

You can do all of this in a typical MMO anyway. Only RPers care about it. It adds nothing to the actual game. Wake me when China (or anyone else) makes a game where I can actually explore the world and find quests on my own.

>>384076940
Orr's just buggy. It's good for mats and pre-HoT bag farms. Plus, I didn't defend Dry Top, hence "shitty" mechanics, only stated it was less hot garbage than Tangled Depths.

>>384077202
TD is comfy as hell idk what you're on about. So is dragon stand
>tfw sitting comfy with an electric wyvern
Orr's biggest problem was the cc skills mobs were equipped with
Silverwastes is where the fun farm is desu

>>384037357
unironically Elder Scrolls Online

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>>384077516
>heyy guys come to Ogre Lane
>rest of the lanes filled to the brim
>no one willing to move
>map fails

Right. And I agree, Silverwastes is comfy. The first 500 times. Shiverpeaks is true comf.

>>384049979
wut
after 15 years of MMOs, it's one of the more solid and fun ones
sure it's not koreashit like 99% are

>>384041121
How do people compare WoW to ESO?
WoW was literary a MMO for brain dead people, it was such a poor role playing game, in ESO you are screwed if you can't think for yourself

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>>384078004
I've never failed the map but in every single time I've done it, there's always people in map chat crying over potentially failing.
Shiverpeaks is pretty good but something about Rata Sum is just top notch.

>>384075816

Only someone with a heart of stone would hate this. as for the game itself...

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>>384078715
I don't have anything else to say I just wanted to post my Silverwastes themed girl kbye.

>>384076950
>Wake me when China (or anyone else) makes a game where I can actually explore the world and find quests on my own.
But Korea released Ragnarok Online years ago.

>tfw love the idea of mmorpgs but can never force myselt to actually play them forever

The most mmorpg I play was Ragnarok and Mabinogi back in highschool and that was with friends.
Recently put some effort into Blade & Soul but dropped. Same for Tera and ESO.

>>384079129
Literally nothing to do in GW2 except grind for slightly better gear.

Also, legendary armor is fucking hideous.

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>>384079129
It's pretty nice 2bh great mix of colors. The hints of emerald is amazing. I have such trouble with colors I tend to stay relatively monochromatic it winds up looking dull.

>>384079409
They require a group of similarly committed players. Its why clans/guilds is so important.

>>384075816
Why are people treating this like its new?
You could do shit like bridal carry back on Perfect World, which was popular 10 years ago.
Other mmos had it too. I think some even let you have sex with in a bed or some shit like that.

I would maybe give gw2 a chance if the armors didn't look garbage. Leather looks like cardboard and metal looks like tin.

>>384076626
>12 fucking buttons rotation

jesus

>>384079761
Get your dyes right

>>384079835
Dyes can't make the material look like something it's not.
I have this same problem with xiv.

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>>384079761
It is incredibly dull. Everything's so round and unflattering.

>>384076950
Kill yourself faggot. Little things make MMO's good.
Nobody gives a fuck about your desire to stand in a single area stabbing goats for 3 hours straight.
Fucking low IQ faggot.
Hope your family dies.
Hope you get hit by a truck.

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XIV has so much wrong with it, but the quality of the boss fights and their presentation has spoiled me. It's going to be hard to play another MMO when the bosses won't have cinematic phase transitions with theme vocal kick-ins and gigantic transformations

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>>384079641
I'm a slut for dyes. This is my Ele.

>>384080027

>Kill yourself faggot. Little things make MMO's good.
Oh boy, I can pet someone. Okay, I did it once...what's the actual gameplay?

>Fucking low IQ faggot.
You
who keeps
hitting enter
after every sentence
shouldn't call others
stupid.

>>384080332
Says the faggot who only wants to grind AI mobs for the rest of his life.
Choke a fat hairy cock like the bitch you are kid.

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>>384079936
There's something about the lighting more than anything. It all looks better in the dark caves and stuff, but any light source just makes any material shine like it's been freshly waxed.

>>384060527
If an MMO has to constrict itself to being a WoW clone in your eyes, you're just retarded. Lobby based MMOs have been around since before EQ.

>>384080621
Piss on WoW's grave.

>>384080391
>this is the average MMO RPer
Damn, you should chill anon. I wonder what you look like in real life.

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>>384079967
What dye are the pale gold accents?

>>384080315
Best leggings in game honestly I have to prevent myself from using them on all my characters. That or just using outfits. Can't stand them but they look great.

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If it doesn't have an oil slider then i don't care

>>384080816
I couldn't tell you, honestly. The character's long deleted. I think it might have been Ancient Silver/Gold, Natural, or Malt. Nothing expensive.

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>log into game after awhile
>have 82,000,000 silver in my mail from the devs

>>384080912
vacuum packaged negro

>>384081120
That's too bad, but thanks anon!

>>384081171
>blonde hair
>blue eyes
>white skin
>negro
wut

>>384081307
>white skin

>>384081307
>white skin

>>384081307
>white skin
is this one of bdo's infamous lighting/color issues

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>>384065847
I feel like if it wasn't handled by such a shitty company Destiny could've been a huge branch off the typical MMO, But as always Activision has to fuck it up somehow with
>muh $200 worth of "expansions"
>muh copy+paste formula for areas/enemies
>muh cut content
>muh microtransactions

I really wanted it to do well

>>384080912
I wanna slurp him.

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I think BDO is probably the closest thing to Lineage 3 I'll ever get, that's why I play it. The lack of a blue/gray skin options is a shame, though.

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>>384081398
>>384081423
WE

>>384058352
It was scummy, but I was one of those dudes with my group of friends that rushed rowboats and land deeds only to sail out to the island off the coast of the western landmass and position our claims in such a way that made such insufficient use of space that nobody could claim spots near them. After getting our shit together we went back there and just filled that island up with farms.

>>384050981
when you add in pets, consumables and maybe outfits, it goes from $15 a month to $40

>>384081592
iktf anon
feel the exact same as division (esp because the setting appealed to me more than destiny)
oh well people are going to buy D2+all the expansions and continue down the same path

>>384045639
My dream is to become rich enough to fund the spiritual successor to GW1.

Of course I'll ruin it somehow as a fact, but I can worry about that after.

>>384068076
For years my buddies and I would often make pilgrimages back to RO. For years we found fun and peace in this, but over time we ended up just doing everything. I can't enjoy the game anymore, but I'd still call it one of my favorite MMOs. My dream is to head an actual spiritual successor project to RO. No fancy gimmicks, no WoW copying, just plain old hitting on the themes that made RO great with a bit of modern tweaking like fixing pathing or slightly more complex boss fights.

>>384079641
What armor are you using for the gloves, legs and shoes?

>mfw want to go back to ffxiv but too jew to pay a monthly fee to play a videogame

>>384081534
yes
hair in BDO isn't affected by lighting at all, so it almost glows in the dark at night or areas with low light.

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>>384037357
>Gather 1000 rough stones

HOLY FUCK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DO IN REAL LIFE EVERY DAY

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>>384084630

subs are cancer, you become a slave to the game since subtime will run out whether you play it or not. It's better to stick with B2P game that you put down every now and then without much stress and play a single player game.

>>384084901
I know, but I really enjoy the ffxiv maps. I was thinking about buying it again (rofl) on steam since I have over 200 bucks from the dota 2 items I sold on the market, so I could play for free for quite some time.

>>384084901
I like subs. I don't have an issue of wanting to put in more hours to justify it and it makes me comfortable being allowed to believe that the devs will focus on content instead of outfits.

I mean, I wouldn't pay a sub if my choice was between two equal games where one was a single buy-in and the other one required a sub, but GW1 was the only MMO I've ever tried without a sub that I trust.

>played Everquest, DAoC, OSRS, etc etc all the way down to Conquer Online (Man, I miss dragonball ganks)
>never played FFXIV
Did it age well? still active? trending up/down? what?

>>384085351
>it makes me comfortable being allowed to believe that the devs will focus on content instead of outfits.

I sure hope you are not talking about FFXIV.

>>384085602

Supposedly, they're doing pretty well for themselves with Stormblood. They've actually opened a server or two to accommodate more players.

>>384085903
I never understood the criticism of XIV's content cycle. I have a lot of issues with the game but a patch every 3 months is consistent enough even if quality is up and down. Even WoW doesn't get the same support reliably.

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If MUDs fit this subject, can anyone recommend one? Archaea looks neat.

>>384073553
God I miss this old general ;_;

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best mmo coming through

>>384084901
f2p is inevitably p2w and b2p's go to shit after everyone buys since devs can just stop producing content and supporting the game after purchases decrease to a certain point after release.
subs are the only way to guarantee devs remain active and the game doesnt get thrown in the toilet.

>>384087618

That game actually looks fun compared to most MMO combat systems. Which makes me question if it actually is an MMO. Probably something more like PSO.

>>384087618
I actually installed it because of this webm, but then the reality sunk in that the combo system takes no skill to use and is just spamming the same BnB rotation over and over on retarded AI damage sponge bosses with massive healthbars. PvP wasn't any better and it's basically who can land a hit first to stunlock the other person to death.

Waste of my time honestly. I'd rather go back to Vindictus than play it.

>>384076626
>macroing GCDs
pls stop

>>384087878
PSO2 is a MMO though! It says it on their official page! Not to mention they have won many "Best MMO" awards.

>>384037357
final fantasy 12 zodiac age.

>>384088057
The amount of bait in this post... there isn't even a single character that can "stun" and the game has Burst mechanic literally taken from GuiltyGear/BlazBlue.

But that's all you get from me. No more.

>>384088063

I've beaten all the content in the game with macros, including all extremes. No one has ever complained or even noticed the 0.3 seconds of extra time between moves (which only happens with two moves out of twelve). So bite me.

>>384043335
>trion
you do realize they had absolutely ZERO say on the direction of the game right? they literally just ran the servers in the west

>>384087618

All that juggling reminds me of when I play Muramasa/Dragon's Crown. What is this game?

>>384088364
I guess getting carried can be considered a clear.

>>384088364
grey percentile pls go and stay go

>>384088247
>there isn't even a single character that can "stun"
You do realize chain staggers are equivalent to stun, right? Even a low level warp mage can stun lock since every skill staggers and you can just spam them. Even at max level PvP this doesn't change.

The PvP is honestly garbage. BnS is the current gold standard and this game is nowhere near it.

>>384088621

>Being carried
Except I'm the one doing the most damage and not dying. But sure, keep getting angry. Probably the only thing you have left now that bitching over healers not DPSing has been called out by Yoshi himself.

>>384088621
Let's be honest, though, both the new EX primals are braindead easy. Meanwhile, A8S, even at level 70 unsynced, is the hardest piece of content in the game.

>>384088723
>stagger
>stun

Are you fucking retarded? Wait why am I even asking this question. You ARE retarded.

>>384088535
It's Kritika aka a kusoge that has been repackaged and relaunched several times including on mobile ios and android.

If you're lookin for good MMO combat I'd recommend BnS instead. Kritika is a very shallow game and plays like something from the late 00s.

>>384088913
Here's your last (You).

my guilds 8/9 heroic tomb

>>384088364
>No one has ever complained or even noticed
Yeah, because merely "noticing" it is against the rules and you can even get banned if someone else noticed your amazing rotation analysis skills.

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>>384088364

>mfw they added in Blood of the Dragon to DRG
>fits perfectly into a macro to cover up the milliseconds of inaction
>have gear that lowers all GCDs to 2.3 seconds anyway

>>384083401
Phoenix for the Gloves and Shoes
Human Light Tier 3 Culture for the Legs

>>384089062

>Yeah, because merely "noticing" it is against the rules
What? You're not making any sense. The point is, FFXIV is so easy you can play DPS with macro rotations. You don't need that extra 0.3 seconds you save by doing everything manually.

Do any MMOs even let you go barefoot anymore, fuck

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>>384089036
>BnS
Lol that TAB target bullshit!? You can't be serious. Stay mad that no one wants o play your garbage outside Korea.

>>384081869
Whenever I see images of BDO, where there's no UI and no action, I'm so tempted to reinstall.
But then I remember how awful the UI, sounds, and actual gameplay is.

MMOs, always disappointments in some way.

>>384088901
>Except I'm the one doing the most damage and not dying
I'm sure you can post some nice proofs of that, since apparently you are so sure that you are a top DPS any EX fight.

Xiv, i enjoy the music and don't mind the combat system

>>384089516
Moonlight Blade soon, senpai.

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Your MMO savior is here.

>>384090024

>lol post proof!
Why don't you post proof that you can't do it, since you are the one making blanket generalizations against someone.

>>384089382
If you are the same anon saying that you are "doing most damage" in a fight, you should know that the most reliable method to confirm that is against the rules, you can get banned if some easily-triggered shitter have enough "proofs" of that (e-dicking and shaming shitters on chat).

>>384090376

You guys keep posting videos of graphics and emote animations. It doesn't matter how beautiful the game looks. I still think FFXIV looks beautiful. But I'll only play a new MMO if someone can prove it has better combat or exploration than FFXIV. I'm sure they exist, but the only one who has come close to providing an example is >>384087618

>>384090168

Really? Bless those chinamen

>>384088901
Retard level bait

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>>384090706
Thanks anon, have another.

>>384090458
Macros can't be queued like GCDs, you can test that ingame right now. That is a fact.
You are saying you are a top DPS even though you have a very unreliable playstyle that goes against common sense. I would like to see that, that is all.

>>384090859

And yet you responded. Good job.

What's going on? Why are there daily MMORPG threads?

>>384090987
Baited for this exact response

>>384091064
People are getting bored of their current MMOs and are looking for new ones. There are some new games being released SOON.
Shit happens from time to time.

>>384091064
>Why are there daily MMORPG threads?
Black Desert Online released on Steam recently and it now one of the top played games on Steam.

>>384091064
You know /vg/? Yeah, some fucktard from /gw2g/ invaded the /mmo/ thread and had it botspam

>>384090964

>Macros can't be queued like GCDs, you can test that ingame right now. That is a fact.
I don't get what you mean. Unless you're saying you can't stack commands and get that extra 0.3 seconds in between skills. Which I already pointed out. Like I already said, I still use macros and just don't care about those few milliseconds. After defeating all the games content up to Stormblood, I never needed that extra time.

If the game ever made me play more efficiently, I would drop the macros. But it isn't that hard. So you're getting mad at someone online for not playing at peak efficiency when the game doesn't even require it. What's next? You're gonna get mad at every single person who plays Chrono Trigger and doesn't play with the absolute strongest team?

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Dungeons were ditch for more fractals.

There's now Ragnarok Online Re:Start and Ragnarok Online Philippines, both started two weeks ago and they're about vanilla Ragnarok with renewal stat mechanics for characters, so it's only up to 2-1 at the moment, a bitch to kill MVPs, makes you party up by force.

>>384091646
I can guarantee you didn't clear anything before 3.4 on content with GCD macros. Post-3.4, fine, everything from Creator onwards is braindead.

I just want an animal crossing mmo. Just include shit loads of everything, bigger towns, bigger catalogs, more customization, nearly all furniture and appliances serve a purpose, dozens of minigames and side activities. Allow actual travelling to an from places too, also small cities with appartments.

>>384050876

I can't understand how people enjoy ff14. It's a game where you can level all the shit but they put weekly caps on getting gear. It makes no god damn sense. That and there's no build variety between jobs or situational gear choices. The game is just so fucking bland. The only thing it does right is look pretty and sound nice.

I unironically want an MMO which plays like a moba. I don't mean, "I want an MMO with good gameplay" or "I want an MMO with active gameplay". I genuinely think that moba style gameplay would work well in an MMO framework.

Something like GW1 style skill selection and build progression with a PVP focus. A lot of gameplay suggestions don't sound like they'd scale well to massive raid content but I think somewhere between DotA and BLC would work well even up to 50 players.

>>384092276
desu I'm dropping it like a fucking rock if we clear Omega next week.

>wow
Not dead, reasonably decent expansion
>xiv
Not dead, pretty much wow but korean (shitty art style, all the races are slight variations to the hyur model, some armor/graphics are way overdesigned)
>OSRS
Not dead, fun, nostalgic, but also becoming ezscape slowly

if not mentioned - it doesnt matter

>>384092217

>I can guarantee you didn't clear anything before 3.4 on content with GCD macros.
Whatever you say. I did it all with the same Macros. And no, I'm not going to go create a video just to appease your assumptions.

>>384092554

>xiv
>Korean

>>384092308
That sounds a lot like what Overwatch ended up being. Minus the massive raids, obviously.

>>384092694
Do you seriously think that I don't know it's Japanese? My point is that it's like shitty korean tier mmos in that all of the alt-races are generic and human like, and its very flashy/overdesigned at times + tons of slutty cat women running around

>>384061903
And that's 500 for bad games

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>>384092808

>My point is that it's like shitty korean tier mmos in that all of the alt-races are generic and human like, and its very flashy/overdesigned at times + tons of slutty cat women running around
It's modeled off of Final Fantasy XI which had the exact same type of races just with slight variations. I hate cats as well, but Korea took inspiration for those from FFXI and anime. Not the other way around.

And if you really want to get down to it, all the other races besides cats and dragons in FFXI and XIV are basically just tolkien inspired. Humans, elves, hobbits, etc.

Hobbits are the best.

>>384043335
Main problem with ArcheAge was the lack of an endgame, pvp (as usual) being unbalanced as fuck and the sudden shift to cash grab.

>>384091646
I don't care about what you think you need to clear content or not, everyone knows you can clear 90% of the game by pressing 1-2-3 every two minutes, even if it takes forever to kill shit. Shit is piss easy, yes, no need to move goalposts to state the obvious.

The thing is, you are saying you are top DPS doing something like that, and I don't believe it since it goes against the game's common sense.
If you don't have ways to show the DPS potential of your playstyle compared to the usual playstyle of everyone else, it's ok, keep doing your thing and believe in whatever you want based on whatever is telling you that you are doing top DPS in EX content.
Based on your posts, it appears that you don't really understand how the game works, so the whole thing is already too hard to believe, anyway.

>>384093137
>slight variations

"no"

XI does not look or feel Korean at all, XIV absolutely does.

>>384093245
lol.
Not even that guy but you're retarded.

>tfw botting mining on runescape right now
so close to mining guild then maybe ill give a shit about farming again, cant wait to "smelt" it all by my own hand will be using anvil for real though just fuck gathering and smelting