*proves videogames can be an art form*

>>383994116
I love movies

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>>383994116
>Art

Eeeww

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>>383994116
>weeaboo thinks copying movies makes games art

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>>383994116
Fuck yes

>>383994962
Begone pleb

i hope he didn't prove that by an excessive amount of cutscenes and dialogue

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>george lucas of video games

>>383994116
he said videogames are not art but just a service that they provide

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>>383994116
*smokes*

>>383995174
Imagine how incredible his games would be on PS4, if he didn't blow the budget on popular actors.

>>383995257
Paints in Renaissance were services too. Anyway, >>383994962 is right

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>proves
nigga, games contain music (accepted art form), writing (accepted art form), artwork (accepted art form), animation (accepted art form)
kojima didn't prove shit, anyone that doesn't accept games as an art form is just a brainlet mongoloid sub human retard

>>383995474
also voice acting

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>>383994116
I hope Kojima ignores his critics, and makes Death Stranding as elaborate as he wants, make some crazy ass shit Kojifranks bro.

>>383995618
>I hope Kojima ignores his critics, and makes Death Stranding as retarded as he wants, make some nonsensical bullshit Kojifranks bro.

>>383995746
No I wrote elaborate, just because you don't get it doesn't make it nonsense.

>>383994116
what are the last five books you read?

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By making unplayable boring horse shit.

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>>383996131
The last 5 Harry Potter books.

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>>383996131
Are you asking everyone or just OP?
Life Force the Scientific basis
Bible (working on it)
The Bhagavad Gita (still reading it)
Man and Superman
Michel de Montaigne essays

Why do you ask?

>>383996324
>MGO2 unplayable
>Boring
>Shit
lmao, pleb

why are fags so against videogames being art? surely you cant be self-loathing pieces of shit?

not every movie is art, not every painting is art, and not every video game is art, but there are some i.e bloodborne

>>383994116
Do you rike my movies?

>>383996453
it was directed to the kojima apologists but everyone is welcome to answer!

*proves prententious pseudo-intellectuals will eat up anything*

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we gettin' there kojibros

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>>383994116
>videogames
Too bad he worked on none.

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>>383996715
real hero

is there any fanbase more insufferable than metal gear's

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>>383996560
I've made all of these posts >>383995618 >>383995278 >>383995117 >>383995861 >>383996453


I don't consider myself a Kojima apologist, I just know that this guy makes excellent video games and I mostly agree with OP. What five books are you reading atm? I'd like to hear the answer from the person who posted >>383996131 this question.

>>383994116
*stops making good MGS games after 3*

>>383995474
there need to be at least one masterpiece in a given art for it to be an art

>>383996813
fear and loathing in las vegas, american psycho, naked lunch, catcher in the rye, on the road

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>>383996771
>look mom I did it again XD
Here's your (You), filthy whore.

>>383996902
>pretends 4 is shit just because it's PS3 exclusive

>>383996956
Kinda highschool-ish really, it's ok I guess.

>>383997067
i was joking but my real answer isn't much better

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>>383996785
Sure, Pokemon, Sonic, Dark Souls, Overwatch and more.

You will feel ashamed of your words and deeds once death standing comes out...

>>383996131
>reading books in current year

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*makes poop jokes*

>>383996785
lil b's fanbase was the biggest cesspool when he was relevant, beyond that music fans are generally infinitely more autistic than gaming fans
radiohead fans are way worse aswell

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>>383997096
If you're a female, I'll just say that from my limited experience women just don't get MGS or Kojima. If not, it's all good anyway, but MGS/Kojima threads may not be for you.

>>383997362

Poopkino

But really, what would you do in that situation?

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>>383997362
Poop jokes are always amusing, fuck off faggot.

>>383997278
>near 7 years without reading a book
>7 years shitposting on 4chan and working in a shit job

Why I didn't kill myself after all this time is beyond my comprehension

>>383997418
mgs is fine but you're right about the threads, you people are tools lol

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I guess we can't let this art on vidya thing on the hands of teens. You see, bloodborne isn't art, like MGS or any other game focus on the entertainment part. That's like said "I like when your mom eat my cock, that's art" but no. Is just entertainment. Perhaps Dear Ester, was the last art piece in vidya, and before that, Mist; omikron the nomad soul, and many others. But, I don't know what you could think of that, or if you do at all.

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>>383997586
>you people are tools lol
If that makes you feel better about yourself, ok.

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>>383997362
Goddammit Akiba...

Seriously though those bullshit lighthearted stupid moments contrats so sharply with the melodramatic moments which in the end makes Kojima's games so impactful and memorable. To each their own.

>>383997586
Whatever, hit those books, feel free to catch up.

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>>383997790
Define Art turbofaggit

>>383994116
your a nigger

>>383997146
>t. metal gear loser

>>383998183
your is possessive as in your mom, you're is you are as in you're a nigger. lmao

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>>383998007
Art is convention between intention, execution, consensus and form. Also, the manners, son.

Again, I believe art is interpretive. I think modern art is absolutely retarded but some folks find meaning in it. I suppose videogames could be viewed as art. A lot of them could be highlighted by the stories they tell or the characters shown.

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>>383998661
Trick question, you can't define art. You lose lmao

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>>383998873
I see. I lose alright... Well this wins makes you whole, my poorly educated boy. Have a pleasant day

he certainly proved hack directors exist in multiple fields

>>383994116
God, I hope Death Stranding is an undeniable pile of trash so people stop worshiping this hack and his buttbud Del Taco.

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>>383999097
Art is larger than your poor attempts to denife it, I'll be fine sleep well.

>>383999254
>Being this mad at a game and person you don't like

lmao

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Video games aren't art

Germany has laws that define art and video games aren't included.
It's why you can't have racist white republican trash nazi swastikas in video games.

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>>383999590
>This bait

>>383997812
Is that supposed to be a yound Random Hajile?

>>383994116

whatever you say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw

>>383999849
Nice normie tier argument, so redditfag of you

>>383999929

I love you too Kojima cocksucker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUypt2nvorM

he wants to integrate film into movies though. He doesn't believe video games themselves can be art.
Taro is the one who actually tries to push the video game medium as far as he can take it

>>384000151
>film into movies
wew lad
film into video games*

>>383997504
>Poop jokes are always amusing
For real? You are just baiting that guy right?

>>384000102
>Anti Kojima fags are proven useless and low I.Q. in this thread
>Faggots retaliate by posting non-vydia shit flaunting their normie faggotry
Holy shit what a retard you are, stop posting anytime, not clicking on your faggot ass music, that shit isn't even vidya related dipshits lmao

>>384000305

here it comes the V-genius

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1g7XGgh7to

>>384000434
Here come the nigger fagging it up, Jesus Christ get some taste man, I can tell it's shit just by hovering over your link for 2 seconds.

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Why do people try to push games as an artform so hard?

If they are art, then there's no reason to push so hard for it, let the works speak for themselves as a medium.

>>384000526

you should really consider about getting a better taste in vidya,cause after the movie of the patriots that slanted hack didn't make anything good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ2X2_ts5Kw

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>>383999590

Anything *can* be art. Not everything is art though.

>>384000694
Tell me what videogames have you played within the last 24 hours?

>>384000567
That's the point of the thread though, OP's mearly pointing it out.

>>384000854
>lost an argument
>better use the "tell me what" card

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbsuAbTTsV8

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Every time I see someone ask "what is art" everyone just starts throwing random shit, to try and present an answer and get a ton of replies why they're wrong.
The conclusion I seem to get is that there's no real definition for art and everyone just sees art as to how fitting it is for themselves.

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>>384000567

Because we can't admit to ourselves we live in a comfy first world with very little real life problems. So we have to find a way to *legitmize* our comfortable hobbies.

People who watch movies, play a sport, listen to music, they're aficionados.
People who play video games are basement dwelling nerds and rejects. Well, up until Pop culture picked up on nerd culture. Now it has to be redefined to legitimize it.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's all bullshit. What qualifies as *art* in modern times tries too hard to be art. Art has no inherent label or quality, except that it moves you. Eye of the beholder and all of that. This is why it's stupid to even try to argue whether something IS art, or if it's not.

tl;dr only pretentious hipsters give a shit over whether something qualifies as art.

>>384000854
>asking for an opinion on a videogame is losing an arument
>Still posting shitty links noone gives a fuck about

You're as braindead as you past posts displayed. You're not even worth responding to anymore.

>>383995221
That's not Sakamoto.

>>383995117
that helmet can't be at all efficient

>>384001007
see
>>384001472

You won't tell me what games you play because you probably only watch let's plays.

>>383994116
anything that can't be art is inherently better than art because art can be shit in a can. Do you want video games to be shit in a can?

>>383996980
4 is shit and it would still be a steaming pile of shit if it was available on pc
>>383998007
>Kojimababy is also a BBaby
hahahahahaha

>>384001472

if you have an high IQ then you should know that Hackjima is just selling hype for a mere bland open world game on which he's adding crap taken from other AAA joke of a games such as The Division.

Yet despite your humongous IQ you're not understanding that,have fun Mr Average Joe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU

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Do you consider picrelated as an artist?

>>384001730
>Opinion
>Opinion

>>384001738
Lmao not an argument since the game isn't even out yet, people posting videgames on a videogame board holy shit OH NO! lmao ahaha. Got anymore shitty links no one gives a fuck about?

>>384001885
Yes actually both Kojima and Carmack are geniuses even.

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As a transgendered person I find it empowering that Hideo Kojima proved science wrong by showing men can give birth to children.

Its why Hideo is a true luminary by proving gender is a social construct and no doctor or scientist can stop us from being the gender we feel we are by telling us men cant have children.

>>384001890

Game is not out yet but he already said what kind of game it will be_
>A fucking movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RTsDby-Q4k

>>384001890
>Opinion
>Opinions
If you're going to reply have a non memey argument or response, or maybe I'm asking to much of someone who thinks metal gear and blodborne are muh deep

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>>384002039
Nice bait tryharder.

>>384002141
how is it bait?

>>384002127
Keep firing retard, yuo obviously didn't play V or MGO, lmao retard.

>>384002137
What is there to argue with you? Your post is bland and no worth responding to beyond that, at least this fag >>384002127 is worth the posts because he's so fucking dumb with each passing post and his shitty links I'm not clicking on are excellent sources of wasted dumb effort.

>>384002304
The retard who made that image points to the scars which are on his back, makes no sense, and those quotes look fake as fuck otherwise a link would be provided.

>>384002432
If you can't make a good argument against me that makes you wrong. Again, literally no arguments
>b-but he insulted kojima he can't be right

>>384002909
OK so what's your argument again? I'll adress it, unless it's an opinion of the game in which case that's not an argument just an opinion.

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>tfw no remake for the 30th anniversary...

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>>384003038
>mg1 and 2 will never be remade so newer people in the franchise can experience the beginning

>>383996324
ver cute tanya would impregnate anally

>>384003028
Metal gear 4 is shit because it's a brown and bloated mess filled with the most cutscenes and least gameplay in the series. It's boring and neither its story nor gameplay is good

I wonder if death stranding will still be similar to MG.

Was ZoA similar to it? never actually played it...should i?

>>384003131
no crazy eyelashes
shit cosplay

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>>384003339
Your opinion is shit, you've made no argument just spouted your shit opinion. Just in case though, MGO2 is 100% gameplay and was part of MGS4, MGSV copied MGS4 in terms of gameplay mostly but it also added in parts of Peace Walker too. most MGS fans agree that MGSV was decent but not as good as MGS1-4. Having said that opinions vary greatly on MGS4 it's the most controversial because it's a PS3 exclusive, and also because it has long cut-scenes that tied up many impossible loose ends of the series but many fans of the series still consider MGS4 a masterpiece whether you agree or not.

MGS4 itself is a great game but that's just my opinion.
TLDR: You lose again in everyway, apply yourself retard.

>>383994116
how does his dick taste OP?

>>383994116
>takes a fucking load of cash
>has nothing to show for it
>gets fucking fired

>>384004304
>Being this mad at videogames
lmao sandy cunt

>>384004227
>posting popular opinion as "proof"
>Checkmate, desu
>Bing bong

>>384004796
>Doesn't take the time to respond to posts in detail
>Gets beaten anyway at every single point
Nice moves

>>384004404
>OP sucking dick pledging for bukake
>for some reason im salt

>>384005292
I know, sucks for you

>>384005156
You lose. This will get a reply.

>>384005407
Nice logic. Oh wait you're not even trying anymore, that means you admit defeat, accepted. I'll have the last word alright.

>>384004227
>literally no arguments just b-b-but people liked this piece of garbage so it's good
Mgs4 isn't a masterpiece and never will be sony-pony. It's garbage, literal schlock
>but much funny poop jokes

>>384005526
I'm the boss of you. You do as I say.

>>384005570
>Gets proven wrong about gameplay and gameplay mechanics
>Gets beaten even on metashit
lmao Jew

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>>384005710
This is now a vidya thread

>>384005759
>gets proven wrong
no u isn't enough to prove someone wrong kojima baby
>metashit
oh my sweet summer child

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>>384005972
Already replied to all of your "arguments" retard, and I already proved them wrong in addition to mentioning beforehand that opinions are not arguments, check back on earlier posts.

>>384006120
>proved them wrong
by posting a metacritic screenshot? Why don't you just post a twitter screenshot or link to a metal gear forum kojimababy

>>384002580
your saying his abs are on his back?

>>384006275
Nigger read the rest of the post, in addition to that metacritic picture I address everything else in his shit post too. MGO2 (Part of MGS4) has 100% gameplay for example.

>>384006421
You didn't adress shit. You talked about general opinions of the retards following these games and said "in the hearts of the fans it's masterpiece" of course it's a masterpiece in the eyes of the fans you moron and posted the metacritc score to remind me and yourself about how popular it is

>>384006759
>>384006421
Almost forgot, I wasn't talking about MGO2 I'm talking about the main game so stop trying to shift the goal posts faggot

>>384006759
No I addressed every aspect of your initial bullshit post, your worthless opinion means jack shit compared to the general consesnsus. What you win because you have nothing to back you up like I do? lmao

>>384006886
MGO2 is a part of MGS4 dipshit, doesn't matter whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, and MGSV copied like 90% of MGS4's moveset. also see >>384007157

>>384007157
>hurr no you're wrong because this large mass of faggots agree with me
So do I have to post negative reviews of mgs to prove your opinion is that of a flamboyant homosexual?

>>384007286
>d-doesn't count
Even if it has multiplayer that doesn't make the game not shit because it has all that other garbage attached to it
Who gives a shit about mgsv it's an unfinished sandbox

>>383998183
you broke rule 3 and 2 of the rules of 4chan.

>>384007375
Moron get it through your head, opinions about videogames are not arguments. Remember?>>384003028

Even so the vast majority of opinions (metacritic) say that MGS4 is better than 3, that's already a collection of opinions which far surpass any individual criticisms.

>>384007570
See >>384007737

>>384007737
>opinions are not arguments
so why are you doing nothing but posting about the popular opinion of mgs4? Your not saying shit, you're just saying
>p-people liked it

Games and Movies are not art.

>>384007967
see >>384003028 Jus read the thread

>>384008080
I already told you and I encourage you to read>>384006759 because you seem very avoidant to addressing it

>>384008248
Your "argument" was just an opinion on the game though. If you're just going to talk about opinions you still lose.

>>384008624
>if you're still going to talk about opinions you lose
how can I lose if it's all just opinions bro?

>>384009021
General consensus. More people like MGS4 than those that shit on it.

Tetris, N+, Hotline Miami

>>384008078
If something draws an emotion out of you, or is thought-provoking in any way, then that is art.

>>384009113
so? You can't lose an opinion idiot, and even then are you claiming everything more popular than metal gear is better than it based on consensus?

Kojima is overrated as fuck.
and you know it

>>384009309
Hence my first response but you played that card anyway >>384003028

There are few games that command the following and even metacritic scores of MGS within the stealth/action genre, you're welcome to try.

>>384009489
How many times do we have to go over this summer sweetie, metacritic scores don't matter. Do you need metacritic to justify everything you like?

>>384009753
Read my initial post, I asked the guy for an argument and he presented opinions >>384003028

Metacritic is just useful when ignorant fucks claim a game is somehow worse when clearly it's praised by the majority of players who like MGS. Again no arguments have been made, so until there is one, you haven't done shit.

>>384009989
>Don't insult kojima you ignorant swine
Calm down autist and metacritic doesn't prove shit. We're going in circles because you think that the majorities shitty number rating means anything and you still haven answer my question, is everything more popular than metal gear, no muh highest rated stealth adventure on metacritic, better than metal gear?

>>384010625
>Having to make shit up
>Using the word autist like some reddit fag
You still haven't provided an example remember?

>>384010850
>get completely btfo
>"uh-uh-uh reddit uh you made it up uh-uh not an argument

>>383994116
Wait so why isn't creating video games an art?

There is literally a graphics design team. There is literally a team that creates a story. There is literally a team that composes music.

If interpretive dance or that shitty art studio that is just full of scrap metal is art then so is the creation of video games.

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>>384011324
OK this is just bait. You have not provided an example of videogame in the stealth genre that has a higher metacritic score than the MGS series, an "argument" that You came up with not me. So it falls on you to provide an example if you're actually, sincerely, paying attention.

Is this still the same idiot that posted those retarted shit music links?

>>384011584
>I have not
Again I don't have to. Metacritic doesn't mean anything and I said metal gear was shit, at no point did I say I was going to compare it to other stealth games, but you couldn't handle that and wanted to reaffirm yourself that mgs was better than all of them. Not only that but you just ignored my question because you don't want to admit your retarded opinions on mgs popularity and metacritic score being wrong. Okay my sweet summer child. You can have the last word. I'll allow it

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>>383995474
Is gameplay an interactive art form

>>383996785
Dark Souls

>>384011413
As a commercial product most are held back by those demands

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>>383996920
Done.

>>384013051
>MGS better than all of them
lmao I never claimed MGS was better than anyseries out there. I merely pointed out that MGS4 is rated higher than even MGS3 but they've all been well recieved MGS1-V have impeccable resumes this is just fact.

Lmao you kept moving the goalposts when I originally stated that opinions are not arguments, then you shifted to "So you're saying everygame with a higher metacritic score than MGS is better than it?" even after I mentioned that if you're going to compare metacritic scores at least have it be in the same genre and then I'll respond to your asinine question. Now You're claiming that I stated that MGS is somehow better "than all of them" whatever the fuck that means? lmao what happened to your shitty music link bro? It's OK your shitty comments were obviously losers from the first.