New Sonic Mania thread. Last one died off.

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>>383953010

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I think Anon in the last thread might be on to something using Past Speeddust Starway to avoid the American/Japanese OST issue

I kinda hope at least the Japanese song gets in

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>Green Hill
>Hydrocity
>Studiopolis
>Chemical Plant
>Flying Battery
>Mirage Saloon
>Mystic Cave
>Labyrinth
>Azure Lake
>A brand new Ice based level to compensate the loss of Icecap
>Quartz Quadrant
>Lava Reef
>Hidden Palace (A mix of S2 + S&K Only if you get all Emeralds by the time you finish Lava Reef)
>Brand new level to compensate the loss of Launch Base
>Stardust Speedway
>Death Egg (Again, mix of S2 + S&K)
>Final Fever (Only if you have all emeralds by the time you reach Lava Reef)

You heard it here folks, Screencap this.
>mfw im actually correct

>>383954724
If it isn't this, this is pretty damn close.

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I'm a bit late but I meant to reply to these posts:

>>383925203
>As far as aesthetic and atmosphere goes, Sonic Jam World did a much better job bringing golden age Sonic visuals to 3D.
It goes for a little more "realism" with more organic shapes and dirty textures. What I'm going for is the sterile brushed/CG style which is prominent in the classics and much of its artwork.

>While it's important to keep things simple and clean, you need more detail than that.
Yes, the demo level is not as good as I could've made it. I was facing a lot of modeling limitations too. I've solved much of this since.

>Sonic Jam World had the windmill things, floating platforms, trees, birds fluttering about.
Aside from windmill things, the Utopia demo has all this too. But it's far less dense and the world feels too flat/empty. Jam is better packed, but the actual space is small and Sonic moves slow.

>It's also a bad idea to have water not be easy to see through in a Sonic game. If you can fall into it, you should be able to see what's in it. Even Sonic Jam World's little stream does this.
The little stream is shallow. Deep water is not revealing; try looking through a lake on a bright clear day. But I understand what you mean. In terms of gameplay, this is a significant difference from 2d.
In the full game, there will be other ways to guide the player as far as water goes.

>>383928761
I went with it because it's softer and works with the other sounds better. The original jump is too harsh for the sound palette.
I don't get why some people hate the CD jump sound that much.

sonic is gay

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Who pre ordered here?

Just got it on PS4 even though I have a special edition coming to me via Amazon. Gonna gift the code to my friend I've known since I was in kindegarten as a belated birthday gift, and we both grew up as Sonic friends way back when.

>>383957528
I pre-ordered the mania collector's edition the moment it was shown in like December.

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>>383957528
>Couldn't preorder because I'd been late on getting Kirby: Planet Robobot and have been wanting that game since it was released

I don't think I can wait an entire month.

What the FUCK am I going to do.

Does anyone have that image of the different comic artists drawing what comes to mind when they're given the word revolution

>>383954128
They should try using elements from both versions, it would make the most sense.

>>383957528
>>383957712
Preordered collectors edition September, so by the time I get it it would of been literally almost a year.

>>383957528
pre-ordered the collectors edition for xbox because i have no games on it. shoulda got it for pc.

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>>383953010
Whos pirating here?
Cause fuck Sega!

>>383959612
nice bait

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>>383954724

>no starlight zone

>>383957528

I was on that shit the very minute the preorder trailer dropped

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>>383959668
Really is a bait, but I'm going to pirate anyway because im a poorfag

>>383959752
Not gonna happen, the blocks stairs that appear in Starlight appear in Chemical Plant Act 2. Buzz Bombers also appear in Green Hill.

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>>383959752
I didn't make this, some other lovely anon did in the last thread.

Daily reminder to check footage for things/gimmicks in levels confirmed that are used from other levels, that is how you know if it'll make it in the game or not, but this lovely image does it for you.

>>383960105
rip, hopefully one day u buy

>>383955667
I never noticed the jump sound was even different

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>>383960315
To put it simply

Sonic 1
Labyrith Zone
Scrap Brain Zone

Sonic 2
Aquatic Ruin Zone
Mystic Cave Zone
Oil Ocean Zone
Sky Chase Zone [this one doesn't really count]
Hidden Palace Zone [same with this, really.]

Sonic 3
Hydrocity
Azure Lake Zone
Chrome Gadget Zone
Endless Mine Zone

Sonic 3 and Knuckles

Lava Reef Zone
Hidden Palace [doesn't really count]
Sky Sanctuary Zone
Death Egg Zone

Sonic CD

Tidal Tempest

These are the only zones that can make it in from here, you can pick one of each for every game, except with Sonic 3, you can pick two there because we haven't had a Sonic 3 level confirmed.

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>Sonic Mania hype threads all day every day till release

>>383960748
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

>>383960315
This image basically confirms that the Sonic CD double dip is 100% Tidal Tempest, so thats neat. However I did want Quartz.

>>383960805
Either.

>>383957528
I pre-ordered it after I watched the trailer saying you could.

>>383960880

I doubt there'll be any double dipping, or at the very least I doubt every game will be double dipped. S3's stage is nigh guaranteed to be Hydrocity, so Tidal Tempest would be redundant (plus they can just reuse TT's gimmicks in HC anyways).

>>383961478
If you double dip every game, that is 10 levels, plus 5 brand new Mania levels.

15 would be the perfect amount of levels, game is confirmed to be the biggest 2d sonic game and confirmed bigger then generations, it has to dip.

>>383961840
I swore I remember the ratio being 6/4 old and new levels, but maybe I'm projecting

Do we know any real ratio other than more old?

I still cant believe its only $20. Both sonic 4 episodes together were $30 and it wasnt good and had less levels (8 total, while mania will have at least 11).

Im glad they showed off more forces and it turned out to be terrible, it made my decision much easier. Thank you sega, and especially thanks to aaron webber. I dont think mania would exist without him in some way

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>>383962205
>Sega and Iizuka think less of the game that's gonna get Classic right than the games that get Classic entirely fuckin wrong

>>383961840
>15 would be the perfect amount of levels, game is confirmed to be the biggest 2d sonic game and confirmed bigger then generations, it has to dip.

But that's assuming they're counting S3K as one game and not two.

I think 10 (full) zones would be more likely: 6 Old/4 New, with the sixth old zone either being either the Death Egg or one of S3's multiplayer zones.

>>383962425
Thats fine by me. Sega and iizuka can do whatever they want with sonic team in japan. As long as mania sequels come out on the side, whats the harm? I havent had any hope in a sonic team sonic since like 2010 at this point now. I would rather do another playthrough and finally get 1000/1000 (still missing 3 achievements) than buy forces.

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>>383962480
there are five hard boiled heavies, so 5 new levels are confirmed

Would you rather have:
S3&K count as the same game, which means Mania is longer than that, but only have Flying Battery as it's rep, or
S3&K counts as separate,which means Mania might be shorter than it, but it gets a rep from 3 & K?

Probably the first is the most obvious answer for this one, but I'm curious.

>>383963106
Count 3&K as one game. I want my long adventure.

>>383963106
S3&K was always intended to be Sonic 3. I can live without any of the S3 stages just for more quality of life. The only stage I'd really like to come from Sonic 3 is Launch Base and its music is a licensing nightmare so Flying Battery will have to do

I don't know why Sky Sanctuary was picked for Generations desu

>>383962740
Can't wait to see lady ninja bot's ninja hideout/Japanese temple themed zone.

>>383962740
Is it possible that there might be a final zone that doesn't feature any of them? Or maybe a 6th unrevealed heavy? Maybe even a megaman styled boss rush with all of them?

>>383963408
>I don't know why Sky Sanctuary was picked for Generations desu
If I'm remembering right it was the most popular stage from S3&K among the Japanese fans which led to it being included. It's not my favorite level but it looked great visually in Generations.

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>>383963872
I mean, I guess it was pretty alright for being the hypest part of the game due to the climax building up into finally going to the Death Egg and Mecha Sonic

Maybe they voted for some Sonic 3 stages that were ignored/S&K were the only available options, since Mushroom Hill and Flying Battery got brought back too

>Instead of making Generations DLC to improve on a good game they reuse all the Generations assets to make a shit one

>>383954128
I don't see why it couldn't be a remix combining both US and JP

>5 new levels

No.

It will be around 7 because they aren't rehashing anything for the final stages and the are 5 hard boiled heavies.

>>383957528

got it on PC and PS4

>>383964409

>implying Sonic Team won't force them to use the Death Egg again

IN ONE FRAME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DYIEDrLQJ4

>Official sega channel

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>Sonic was never good

>>383962740
Yep and judging from the silhouettes they'll be themed after ninjas, magic (?), fruit (?), medieval and city highway.

>>383964627

>not having faith that it'll be Final Fever

>>383964772
The typical young teen on the net loves these stupid kinds of videos and the official Sonic youtube channel is proud to indulge them.

>>383965043
The one in the middle looks like the one in the paintings in Mirage Saloon. Probably the leader.

>>383964789

It honestly does warm my heart knowing that this is how the "sonic was never good" people play the game. Makes their arguments worthless since they're clearly just shit at it.

>>383965334
That would definitely make more sense lol

>>383965043
>fruit (?)

it's clearly a cowboy hat

>>383965368
yes but unfortunately underages think its true

>>383964789
They really can't say shit when they're playing it that badly. Like, god damn.

>>383965334
What if he makes appearances in all Act 2s of the new stages in some fashion. Like in Studiopolis he has a billboard, Mirage Saloon has painting, etc. Would really drive home that he is the strongest. That means he may not be the boss of Mirage Saloon like everyone thinks.
And Eggman gives him an upgrade once you defeat him, turning him into Final Fever.

>>383964789
>>383965368
I think the trope "sonic was never good" will either die, or a new argument "Mania is the first sonic game" will arrive.

>>383965997
I could see that happening. There's gonna be 3&K style cutscenes.
That's the one thing I really like about 3&K compared to 1 and 2. It's so much more "cinematic" then the other games. Feels like a long continuous adventure.

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>>383954724
I want this to be true. I want this to be the most true, so fucking badly. Lava Reef and Hydrocity are the main remix stages I want.

>>383962205
>Thank you sega, and especially thanks to aaron webber. I dont think mania would exist without him in some way
Aaron Webber is one of the best things to happen to Sonic from a PR standpoint, self aware as fuck, but also knows his shit, knows the fans, and I think you're right in that he probably used his connections to make this happen. Super chill in person too.

I do wonder how he feels about Forces myself though.

>>383966527
I can tell he's more excited for Mania then Forces.

>>383966527

>knows his shit, knows the fans

I think this is the key factor. He knows how to laugh with the fans rather than at them which is something a lot of self aware PR accounts don't do very well.

>>383966117
>or a new argument "Mania is the first sonic game" will arrive.

This might have credence

Not literally of course, but widescreen and possibly the highest understanding of sonic level design we've ever had could set mania apart from the classic games. That's all the nitpicks that were holding sonic back anyway.

>>383966724
he is more excited for mania, but the guy is a professional.

>>383966805
Constantly 60fps while being widescreen is something classic Sonic has needed since ever.

>>383966805
>>383966961
I may be inclined to agree that Mania is the only good one if they ever say it.

I really hope there isn't any instant-death crushing stuff in Mania, that's always been the thing I hated most about the classic games. I don't know if I just have horrible luck, but every time I play the classic games I always end up instantly dying to a moving object even though it didn't crush me.

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>>383962657
well at least it shows there's SOME light penetrating Sega's thick skulls, considering Izuka was ''surprised" by the overwhelming reception Mania got, and that mania's reception on release is going to be looked at to determine sonic's future

>>383967260
You must have PTSD from Sonic 1's final boss

Did you ever try the overloading glitch where you have to fight him for 256 more hits and can't kill him because of the time limit?

>>383963408
personally I never cared for launch base's music anyway. I always found it to be sort of weak. Icecap and carnival night are memorable but launch base was always meh to me

>>383966805
>>383966961
Sonic never needed the screen to be any bigger than it was.

>>383966961
I've heard that sonic on the md/genesis was both 30 fps and 60 fps, which is it?

>>383967260
>Accidentally get crushed by one of those falling spike platforms in Launch Base
>Heart gives out for a second

>>383967356
Sega america is more in tune with the series. Its sega japan and sonic team in japan who have creative differences and just kind of do their own thing. But if sega america is in close contact with team mania, sonic team can run off and do whatever they want. For all the shit iizuka gets, he is the producer of the series, and he could have easily denied this games existence. For that much we should be thankful for

>>383966724
most people are, especially since the more they show of Forces, the worse it looks

>>383967448
You forgot to include why we should believe you with your opinion

>>383967532
It was 60fps most of the time until large amounts of rings flew on the screen if you got hit and sometimes water makes the fps tank a bit.

>>383967645
Because you liked the games long and well before this joke widescreen meme?

>>383967879
you can like the game and also like an enhanced version of it

>>383967879
Well if that's what you mean by "need" then I agree. But I've never heard an opinion from someone who has played the widescreen that didn't raise it as a huge difference. Why are you salty about it? Is there something else you think you're not telling us?

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>>383967879
>Joke widescreen meme

Yeah the classic games are good 4:3, but widescreen gives more space for you to work with and see a lot more of the level design/attacks. Shit really does help than being pillarboxed in

Plus what's wrong with being able to see more of the game's pretty graphics?

>>383966961

I don't agree that it "needed" it in the old games but I won't pretend for a second that it isn't a welcome change.

>>383967210
>I may be inclined to agree that Mania is the only good one if they ever say it.

Besides, you know, the taxman ports of 1, 2, CD and hopefully 3/Knuckles in the future that did the same thing.

>>383968162
Well no one wants to play that shit on their phone or emulate android to prove themselves wrong about a game series they hate. Also those games will be judged by how they were for 20 years, not with modern enhancements.

>>383967571
I would cream my pants if the mania team became the successors to STI. STI was really an ambitious sort of idea.

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Someone should make a version of this with all of the character's idle animations.

>>383955667
This is completely unrelated to what you're talking about, but I want to ask two questions:

How is the helix animation program going

and do you really think that you're better than sonic team at making 3d games

>>383968634
Taxman's team becoming the new Technical Institute would be cool. Hopefully ending up also being much more successful of an idea with not as much rushing and culture clash.

>>383969112
culture clash will always be there, but to be fair, that kind of clash is what produces good ideas.

I imagine the culture clash would be less if only because this is trying to pay homage to how sonic was, the established sega presented sonic, whereas back when Sonic 2 and 3 were in production, there was a lot of 'new" being made. Sonic as a franchise was still pliable and new and ripe for innovation, while now, classic sonic has a pretty defined style and feel

>>383967571
>For all the shit iizuka gets, he is the producer of the series, and he could have easily denied this games existence.

I heard they were originally going to work on more ports until he came up with the mania idea for the anniversary, and allowed them to make brand make new stages.

Iizuka was only a designer which probably means he sketched ideas and made high level decisions and it's obvious he never understood the programming or gameplay in detail.

But I do blame him for being dispassionate about sonic and not seeking help. The fan studios jumped in his lap really. He also wasn't apologetic when sonic was criticized, which is strange because that's usually the road japanese PR takes. Instead all we got was damage control. It was so bad that it's in his wikipedia page.

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>>383960105
You can't afford to pay at most, 20 dollars?

>>383969728
That usually means theyre a teenager, probably around 13-14.

>>383969547
Mania was originally going to be the Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 remakes plus a small other game of original stages until Iizuka gave them the idea of jumbling it all together with those new stages plus remixed stages from the classic games.

>>383969547
actually, iirc, the guys approached him and proposed an entirely original classic game, but Izuka while he liked it, instead suggested mania's remixed levels concept.

>>383967571
>For all the shit iizuka gets, he is the producer of the series, and he could have easily denied this games existence. For that much we should be thankful for
This is true, but that doesn't undo the fact that more often than not Iizuka has been harmful to the series and just can't seem to get a clue on what people want. Mania may be his wake up call.

/v/ros, my PC is atrocious but it can run Taxman's Sonic CD. Will it be able to run Sonic Mania? I'm extremely worried and don't want to miss out.

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>>383969931
Yes but its unfair to shit on someone, even when they get something right. I dont even think iizuka has a hand in forces. His biggest games were the adventure series and heroes and even if we cry on 4chan, they sold millions and many have good memories of them

>>383969889
I know Iizuka is usually a moron but I gotta give credits to the man: he is trying to make it right, he is just completely clueless, like a businessman who doesn't really understand the craft, just manage the money.

>>383969889
>>383969924
Fuck which timeline is the real one

>>383970127
It's minimum requirements are a Pentium 4 1.6ghz processor and 2 gigs of ram (with a Core 2 Duo being recommended) plus a graphics card that can do at least DirectX 9c

>>383969826
I figured, but even teenagers these days are spoiled. Surely they can afford a measly 20 dollars? Of all the dollars their family gives them holidays, I assume they would save some. Then again, my sister is 13, and she wastes all of her money on manga.

>>383970272
>they sold millions

This surprised me. I actually looked at sonic games and the shit ones pass the million sales mark easily. I guess this is why the sonic team is so unresponsive. There really are that many autistic children out there.

>>383970619
Maybe it is you who is in the wrong?

>>383970571
Got an i3 2.6 GHz and 2 GB of RAM while supporting DX11, I think I'm good, thank you Anon.

>>383970619
>There really are that many autistic children out there.
Brand recognition has fucking carried Sonic through the 2000's. He usually releases around the Holiday, and parents or aunts and uncles know who he is due to icon status. That and the rabid autistic fanbase have really kept him alive.

>>383955667
You're probably long gone but how different is Utopia from the last demo release? Is there any point in giving feedback or was any complaint I could possibly have fixed months ago?

>>383968723
>How is the helix animation program going
It's turned into Teal, and it's coming along pretty well.

>and do you really think that you're better than sonic team at making 3d games
When did I ever say this?

>>383970619
Its shit because its not muh classic sanic? Sonic 3s my favorite and i still love adventure, heroes, unleashed. Heroes sold 5 million+ and i think unleashed was at 4 million+. Sold way better than sonic 3 did

>>383970847
Go to bed Lange. You've got more programming and meetings to do in the morning.

>>383970491
The first one.

So what are the best bonus/special stages in the sonic games?

My favorite is the UFO's from CD but another one high on the list is the slots in Sonic 3. Dunno why, I've got no love for the mazes in Sonic 1 but that shit just clicks.

>>383970952
And Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 sold better than all of those.

No Sonic game has still surpassed Sonic 2 in terms of sales numbers.

>>383970706
Yeah, I mean how can you ask the sonic team to change what they are doing if it works. Even Sonic 06 didn't bomb that hard. Boom did though. Blue arms were a mistake.

And they split the styles and did classic sidescrolling games a long time ago. There's really nothing they could do about dimps's swings in quality except find someone else who could suck just as much. I'm just glad the fan game developers exist and they weren't stupid enough to pass them up.

>>383971130
Sonic 1 is very inflated because it was a bundled game. Sonic 2 came out just one year after and capitalized on the wild success and hype of the new series

>>383970952
>Top 5 highest selling Sonic games of all time

>Sonic Dash
>Sonic the Hedgehog
>Sonic Jump
>Sonic 2
>Olympic Winter Games

>Two mobile games, the first two games and a game with Mario

Sounds about right to me

>>383970792
Always feel free to give feedback. Either it's taken care of or it's new and worth mentioning.
Most of the engine has been rewritten, framework and physics. It's getting a lot of polish and missing features/details. The level design is going to be much more focused and more visually rich. Sonic will be getting new abilities, and the way powerups work will be new, modified to fit the gameplay paradigm instead of just copying the classics. New visual and sound effects too. Really lots of things that are hard to describe in detail or without spoiling, and the full game will have much more than the next demo.

>>383971041
I've always liked the UFO popping CD ones as well. I could say it's more... actiony then usual?

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Spotted this in my local mall.

How...?

>>383970952
>Its shit because its not muh classic sanic?
Games that aren't on your "good" list still sell over a million. That means what it means and your question has nothing to do with it.

>Sold way better than sonic 3 did

That's the other thing that's amazing. The classic games sold nothing compared to the new games, but it looks like mania is going to be a smash hit. Maybe its proof that if a game is good, it will eventually sell if you live long enough to make it happen. Like how comic books were well known but they weren't outrageously popular, now that same demographic has run their mouth about them for decades and has disposable income, there's a shitload of money in super hero movies.

>>383971551
Nice catch, anon!
I sure hope there are some good Sonic t-shirts available maybe before or after Mania, the hype will definitely help.

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>>383959123

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>>383971551
buy it

>>383971735
where's this from?

>>383971551

they were shilling that on one of those podcasts they did a few days ago

>>383960275
Lmao those were originally in chemical plant though

>>383971651
You, 4chan, and sonic retro dont mandate what is good or not. Thats your problem, thinking your thoughts are the same as millions. Sonic was wildly popular in the early 2000s despite what the trio of autists (again, you, 4chan, and sonic retro) think of the games. I have friends who checked out after sonic adventure/heroes/advance and wish another game like those was made today

>>383971735
God I love Hesse's style. They couldn't have picked a better artist for Sonic.

>>383971735

Hesse is the hero we need

>>383971419
I'll wait until then to get autistic about it. In general I just thought the camera could behave better and it still had that classic problem of fast 3d character makes precise platforming untenable. If I stopped being a lazy piece of shit and made a sonic fan game one of my goals would not be to need a lock on attack and to jump on enemies and springs the satisfying way.

>>383971651
Dunno if SteamSpy stats are worth anything, but according to it about 13,298 ± 3,250 have pre-ordered Mania so far.

>>383971826

looks like it's just requesting sketches at a con or something

>>383971735
Tyson is what Sonic needs.

>>383971841
I never answered your question or said which sonic games I think are shit because you were sperging for an argument. I told you this and you sperge anyway. I don't just like the classic sonic games. Go away

>>383972139
I dont know whos who because of anonymous. If not you then someone said "even the shit ones sell over a million". If they were terrible they wouldnt sell, like the sonic boom games. Even sonic 06 if you can look past its technical problems has the basis of a fun game in it

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>>383971862
>>383971878
>>383972023

He's the hero we deserve.

>>383972520
LOOKIN PRETTY SULTRY THERE TAILS

>>383971735
THANK YOU, KEN PENDERS!

>>383972520
Damn wisps are lewd

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>>383971820
>that totem
fuck, and I'd just forgotten it...

>>383972406
You think how good a game is equates to how well or poorly it sold

This puts sonic 06 in the "good" category, and then you defend it as "has the basis of a fun game", reading between the lines you're admitting it's not

There is nothing I can say that can make you look dumber. I will never be better than you at that.

>>383971910
The camera is being totally redone. The proportions and movement are being better balanced (Sonic won't be as small and zippy). Steering is also being given an easing factor so it's not so touchy. One of the most common problems is people timing their jumps off platforms a split second too late (something I anticipated and sure enough I see it frequently in videos). A buffer for jumping has been added so that a jump can be executed a split second after running off ground. This little change has made a big difference already in testing, and it's a great technical maneuver for advanced play (the buffer time is constant, so more speed means the further you can leave an edge and still jump).

The lock on, if you mean the homing attack, is not just for aim. It was designed to be a utility for maneuvering so it has legitimate purpose instead of just being a crutch for 3d control. Aside from maintaining your momentum as it should, it can be used to translate your speed to different directions similar to slopes, depending on the angle of attack and timing. For example, if you have a lot of vertical speed and execute a homing attack at a target sideways, all that vertical speed gets swung into horizontal speed. For a novice player, it's just an assist, but for advanced players it's a powerful tool.

>>383972916
Except i never said that...i said sonic 3 is my favorite and yet for the longest time it went unknown outside of the sonic community. The average person will say sonic 2 is their favorite. Or sonic cd if they want to pretend like they know all the small spots of the series. Sonic 3 being my favorite doesnt take away the massive sales success the 3D games up to 2010 have had or that games like adventure and unleashed were fun. You are a dumb biased faggot, now stop replying to me because you only react positively when its something you can be agreeable with. Much like a leftist faggot who cries at everything

>>383973248
All that sounds cool

The only other thing I wasn't sure about was having both spin dash and peel out. I figured it was for testing because we needed to try both. That or you're ok with complicating sonic a little bit because there's really no downside other than wondering what the differences are between these two abilities.

>>383964789
I want to believe they're just testing out the physics like how you can jump mid loop and hit the otherside to go faster but those janky actions make me think otherwise.

>>383973306
>Except i never said that

So you meant that a good game can sell poorly but a bad game can't sell well

The second is still an asinine statement that I know you don't believe.

>You are a dumb biased faggot

Because I think sonic 06 is a bad game?

>now stop replying to me because you only react positively when its something you can be agreeable with.

You replied to me and crawled up my ass because I pointed out that shit sonic games exist. Now take it all you whore.

>Much like a leftist faggot who cries at everything

Are you actually 9 years old

>>383973829
Both are being adjusted. First important difference is that the spindash can be charged much faster. Peelout is also a special ability for Sonic; if there were other characters, they wouldn't have this advantage. The peelout's utility will also extend beyond speed boosts. Originally the spindash was intended to be capable of launching in the air as an advantage, but this could easily be game breaking or complicate the controls given the way the game has changed, and this will probably not make the cut. Ways to balance the abilities are still being considered.

>>383973870
Games journalist are like /v/. They provide their opinions for consumption without actually playing games.

If you think IGN is bad don't watch polygon play anything.

>>383974284
except they were the best when it came to mania gameplay

You know, i'm gonna miss these threads. A week after Mania everyone will be going on about how bad forces is going to be and mind you it's looking pretty bad but you get the point.

>>383974150
Oh one last thing, but I noticed small changes in analog stick position didn't have any effect on steering. It could just be that they aren't as precise as I believed and only 3D sonic could make me notice.

>>383970571
Gotta love the efficiency. Any other wannabe retro game would require at least twice the hardware.

Hey, it's the guy from the last thread who liked the Present version of Stardust Speedway the most. You remember me Anon, don't you? DON'T YOU?!

>>383974712
Why? Its gonna be fun shitting on forces, that game looks abysmal

>>383974771
Actually it seems like they do pick up changes that small testing in the gamepad configurator

I pulled up this old article I knew about. Are you using a very small, what they call an axial deadzone here?:

http://www.third-helix.com/2013/04/12/doing-thumbstick-dead-zones-right.html

>>383974771
Unity's input sucks, that's why. We got the Rewired plugin which has made input much nicer. Solved that issue and joystick response is super smooth, gave us radial deadzone, good stuff. Should also solve it being stupid about any controller than isn't a 360.

>>383975512
I was surprised with how controllable it was as it is, but now it should be luxurious. The next release is for SAGE in october right?

>>383975930
That's the aim but it's not guaranteed. If it doesn't make it, it'll get a more developed version sometime later.

Should I get the pc or ps4 version?

>>383977756
Both technically the same. All comes down to what you want to play it on.

>>383977756
Its literally the same game across all 4 platforms

>>383977756
Whichever you think you'll play more, get both if you really want to support Mania

>>383978069
>implying Iizuka won't force them to add Bing Bing Wahoo Zone to the Switch version

Was Sonic CD made by human beings or was it a freak experiment to see if an AI was capable of creating a video game?

>>383978631
Yeah and Crash Bandicoot will be a 4th playable character in the Switch version.

>>383978636
It's basically Sega of Japan's Sonic 2. While Sega Technical Institute made the Sonic 2 we all know.

>>383978636
I like everything about CD but the game itself.

>>383978631

That would be cool.

Super Knuckles will be in this... right?

>>383957528
Preordered on Steam and CE for Switch

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>>383980637
No.

daily dose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVjGFgZaFC8

Have they said why they aren't releasing it on the 3ds?

>>383981295
Well it's already on 4 platforms. They probably just don't have the time.

>>383978631
If you want Bing Bing Wahoo Zone just play Wii U Sonic Lost World.

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>>383967879
>Being able to see farther ahead of you is a meme

>>383970618
At $15 a pop it's a very expensive hobby unless you pirate everything.

>>383974284

Ironically Polygon is actually one of the few websites doing good coverage of mania because they have a classicsfag as part of their staff. I bet he won't review the game though.

>>383982758
It's probably the same guy on the Polygon youtube that uploaded a video of himself completely gushing over Mania.

>>383977756
It doesn't matter in the slightest, but I'd go with PS4 because I'll always think of Sonic as a console game.

>>383982120
Remember there's always something new and stupid this board finds to complain about. Give it a few weeks. Wide Screen will become the new thing to
>Greentext
because of brainlet parrots.

>>383982120
>>383983323
I'm gonna give the guy the benefit of the doubt but I wondered if it was asspain over when RLM bitched about allowed reaction time, as if liking widescreen is believing the original aspect ratio was unfair.

LIGHTS
CAMERA
ACTION
>>383982120
>>383983323
don't tell them freedom planet 2 has an option that zooms the camera out automatically as you speed up

>>383983323
I guess that's just me being naive thinking that widescreen would be something that no one could complain about considering there's literally not a single negative aspect to it being in a 2D Sonic game.

>>383985175
I was in the middle of fapping.

>>383985086
>but muh casuals
>I didn't crash into shit constantly when I was 12 git mongoose reflexes

>>383985175
*gulp* that's pretty hot

>>383960315
>forbidden three
Calling it right now, one of the "forbidden three" will be in the game, screencap this post

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>Mania still a month away

>>383985493
Out of them all it would probably be Ice Cap with the amount of people out there that can't stop creaming over it's theme.

>>383985562
I can't wait to see the greentexts when it's like a day from release.

>>383985493
Two of them could be

Sure the original music is in legal hell, but it's really cheap to do cover music, like mania's remasters. You don't need permission from the copyright holder either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_license

There's probably other required licenses for video games and shit, but that's still nothing.

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>>383966326
this man, here
he's my nigga

>>383985649

>Browsing 4chan a week prior to release

Enjoy your leaks.

>>383985562
Yeah. Buying it for PC promptly after it releases.

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Rate your hype for both Mania and Forces.

>Mania
10/10
>Forces
3/10

>>383971735
>Penders
oh god why is he melting
>Tyson
MUAH

>>383986585

Mania
11/10, literally what I'd consider a best case scenario for Sonic

Forces
4/10, will probably play

>>383985794
And the rates:

http://www.harryfox.com/license_music/what_mechanical_royalty_rates.html

So let's say sega had to use a compulsory mechanical license for ice cap. If video games are priced similarly to digital downloads, that's around 9 cents on every copy of sonic mania sold.

9 cents out of 20 dollars doesn't sound like a lot but that adds up to a shitload of money. And is actually a larger % of the price than ice cap's music is of the game. How many copies of mania would ice cap zone sell? Looks like it loses in the math after all.

>>383985794
>>383987075
Well never mind, they also need this and it's not compulsory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronization_rights

Isn't he guy who made ice cap's music starting a lawsuit?

>>383978636
Come on now. The level design may have been dense but aside from Wacky Workbench it wasn't THAT busy.

The only real problem came when the layout blocked you from easily building up speed to time-travel.

>>383966326
I've never been a fan of ice cap's tunes desu
I still expect an ice themed zone though

>>383954724
You forgot the leaked zone, so you've already messed up
Also I really doubt they'd use two new zones on revisiting old themes just because the original levels are "forbidden"

>>383986585
Mania's an 11/10. I haven't been this hyped for a game maybe ever.

>>383986806
Pretty hype for both.
Can't ask for a better birthday gift with mania.

>>383986585

Mania really seems to be exactly what people have been after for years now, myself included. Easily a 10.

Forces however feels like more of a game exclusively as a means to have your own personal Coldsteel. Might give it a shot for the meme value, about a 4, 5 is generous.

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>>383962740
Its obvious what the left three are but what is going on second from right? Is that one or two Heavies? Where are its/their legs?

>>383986585
>Mania
10/10 - My biggest gaming expectation this year. Replaying all of the classic sonics in anticipation
>Force
6/10 - I've enjoyed Generations and S-ranking all the levels in Forces will probably be fun.

>>383966527
You can tell in general that Sega has little to no hope for Sonic Forces.

Mania gets all this lovely heartfelt marketing, while Forces is only getting typical game industry trailers and has so far managed to fail to impress as much as Mania.

I'm expecting the game to come it at $40 like Valkyria Revolution. They don't have faith in it as a Sonic title, and it'll have to contend with Mario Odyssey if it sticks to that Holiday 2017 date.

>>383966747
See: Mighty No. 9 anime fan on prom night or hiring that cow for a community manager.

At least that was the most entertaining bonfire I've seen in gaming.

>>383988232
The mace-wielding Heavy has a hoverboard it looks like.

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>>383954724
>Mystic Cave

OH GOD PLEASE LET IT BE TRUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVEyGntyOZQ

I can't even imagine how good the all-new Act 2 music will be.

>>383988482
Mystic Cave is pretty much everyone's favorite Sonic 2 zone, so I think it has a pretty good chance if Sonic 2 double dips it's reps.

>>383988482 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRMmGGdsvbw

>>383971841
>You, 4chan, and sonic retro dont mandate what is good or not.
>sonic retro

A number of their members are now directly working for/with Sega.

Try again.

>>383982758
They have two.

Didn't Aaron Webber put up a link for a new position with his team? What if the polygon dudes applied for the job? Aaron would have quite a team with one of them and the other guy he has right now.

>>383960315
>>383962740

So if it's 2 rehashes from each calssic game, that's 10 old zones + 5 new ones for 15

They said it was longer than generations, which has 16 zones with 2 acts each? Still not there.

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>>383988663
Better than I expected.

>>383988626
Watch it be Oil Ocean.

And you can set it on fire.

>>383988879 SiIvagunner is a god.

>>383988836
>generations, which has 16 zones
???

>>383989069
Never played that shit but tell me if that's wrong

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Sonic_Generations_stages

This website is broken for me by the way. I have to hit esc before the page turns blank.

>>383989069 He's including Bosses and Rivals.

>>383989145
Generations has 9. All the others on that list are the handheld version.

>>383988836
There's only 9 actual zones with 2 acts each in Generations, plus 7 bosses.

>>383989145
A number of those are from the 3DS version which no one played and had completely different devs. Console version had 9 stages, not including bosses and pinball.

>>383989306 Was I literally the only one who got the Casino Night Dlc?

>>383989405
I'm pretty sure it's free on Steam.

>>383989405
Well it is just a pinball table. If it was an actual 2 act zone of Casino Night I would've snatched that shit up so fast.

>>383989491
Weird that it was a pinball table on the console and PC release, but a full stage on the 3DS version.

>>383989485 It wasn't free, that's where I bought it.

>>383989553
The 3DS had a lot of different zones actually. I think it only had Green Hill between them.

>>383989553
That's cause the 3DS Casino Night wasn't DLC it was just one of the stages in the game

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>>383988901
>Oil Ocean sub-boss explodes
>Act 2: Fire Ocean
>Welcome to Hell

For new stages we have show business, western desert, and what looks like a cathedral.

Assuming there's two left to see, guess their themes /v/

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>>383989843
i'm hoping a castle level for that bot with a mace in the back. i think the cop one is stuidiopolis' boss and the middle hammer wielding one is seen on the walls in mirage saloon?

>>383989843
The one on the far left looks like a ninja with a ponytail, so I'm expecting some kind of ninja fortress or Japanese temple style zone. The one with the top hat maybe a magic/circus themed zone? And I thinking the one with the mace is gonna be the cathedral's boss.

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>>383988232
Police Heavy is the Studiopolis boss.
??? is the boss to the leaked cathedral level.
Middle one is pic related, Mirage Saloons boss. His picture is everywhere around the level.
Blue outline is a new casino/magic theme level
Purple is a forest/ninja star theme level

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>>383990115

>>383988232
the ??? is the Mirage Saloon heavy's cape overlapping with the mace one

>>383990162
I wanna hug leader Heavy

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>>383989998
Where did you get that picture?

Why is it different from this one?

>>383987910

>leaked zone

Please stop triggering my autism. They clearly hinted it, that's not what a lack is.

>>383953010
I'll have to get a Switch for this.

>>383957528
I'm planning to get the Steam version in a couple of days.

>>383990589
Just wait for the inevitable port.
Switch didn't move enough units for there not to be one.

>>383989998
>i'm hoping a castle level for that bot with a mace in the back
I suspect he'll be for that unrevealed cathedral___ zone we found a few months ago.

>>383990656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ1SbHLXlH8

Expect it was already confirmed

>>383988836

>5 new zones

See >>383964409

>>383956163
You sure?

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>>383954724
>>383953010

>>383990504
Just googled Hard Boiled Heavies. Also, in yours they're more spaced out whereas in mine they're all clumped into a group.

>>383990737
I want ice cap so bad in the game.
I hope for a little love for starlight zone.

>>383990791
Yeah but the blue version has boobs at the bottom that are totally gone in the black version, and some shark fin shape near the morning star guy's hand. The shark fin shape is between the police heavy's legs in the black version.

Is that a 6th heavy crammed in?

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>final boss is the death egg robot inside of a bigger death egg robot inside of a colossal death egg robot like pic related

>>383991156
Ok so the shark fins, both top and bottom, are definitely the cape

Still no idea on boobs though

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>>383991156
The spiked bit I've colored in between the police bot's legs is the middle guy swinging a hammer. It's also the same shape as the robot on the walls of Mirage Saloon. There's another swing effect on the morning star as well.

If we don't go to space for the final level then where would it take place?

>no moonbase level yet with low gravity

>>383991317
I always wondered why they didn't push the russian angle with Robotnik. This would be cool

>>383991470
In the leaked cutscene though he's a flyer with a cape >>383990162

What makes you think there's a hammer there? I think He's just pointing his left finger up, that's not a handle or anything.

>>383963736
>Is it possible that there might be a final zone that doesn't feature any of them?
It's completely possible. To me it wouldn't feel right if by the very last stage you're still encountering brand new HBHs, I'm sure mostly everyone else including the dev team feels the same. There has to be a sixth brand new stage either without any HBHs because you already defeated all of them in their own stages by that point or all of them team up in the final stage to for one last ditch effort to stop Sonic an co.

>>383990213
I wonder if you can dropdash off the surface of water...

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>>383954724
Taxman said that the rest of the brand new levels will be of new tropes.

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>>383992190

>>383953010
Metacritic prediction: 74

>>383992316

e3stamps.jpg

But I predict less than 500k on PC sales even though trash like Ori has 1m+

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>>383992360
>Trash like Ori
Ori is 10x better than any Sonic I've played.

help i'm bored as shit
recommend me the greatest sonic hacks to kill time while i wait for mania

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>>383992526

Ori and its dull combat don't even hold a candle to other similar indie games like Rabi and Hollow and you want to compare it with fucking 3K?

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The only thing I hate about Mania is that ot probably means we're going to get an adventurefag equivalent in about 7 years' time. The cancer will be insufferable.

>>383992798
I wasn't comparing it, I just said it's better.

I don't even think any of the Sonic games on the MD are the best examples of platform games there. There's Alladin, Monster World IV, Rocket Knight and Dynamite Headdy and most of the Mickey games that imho were better games.

>>383993376

>I wasn't comparing it, I just said it's better.

You literally compared with every Sonic game in your post, but disregard that. I'm curious in why you think Ori is such a good game.

I've never watched the OVA. Should I watch it in Japanese or English?

>>383993807
English. The VO's pretty funny.

>>383992526
I liked Ori but it can't hold a candle to any of the classic Sonic games.

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Alright, /v/. Fast forward a month from now game's finished. It's been recently released and every Sonic fan fucking loves it whether they're an Adventurefag or a Modernfag. The music's great, the controls are responsive, and the bosses are godtier.
What's your reaction when the critics give it a low score because of some arbitrary shit?

>>383993376
>Monster World IV
That game falls apart completely in the second half.
>Alladin
>Genesis version
Disgusting.

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>>383992316
Between 85 and 92 percent.

>>383993807
Either or. Sonic's nipland voice actor is pretty good though.

>>383994191

Indifferent because only contrarians like Sterling will do so and I don't fall for clickbait.

I guarantee the Metacritic will be over 90.

>>383993807
Both.

So how come the other Whitehead remakes are mobile-exclusive?

>>383994826
They came out during the Nintendo exclusivity deal.

>>383994826
because sega is full of retards who doesnt understand that the audience for those titles are mainly pc users

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>>383994201
>falls complately in the second half
Sonic does after the first stage.

Also I forgot Ristar. It's probably my favorite. Would put it up there with Yoshi Island as one of the best platform games of that generation.

>>383993761
It's not like I love Ori tons, but I think it's a better game than Sonic.

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If the soundtrack is really the problem here, Why not just have Tee Lopes re-do Sonic 3 Alone's OST with new songs but still composed with genesis instruments? His recent Mirage Saloon remix proved he's pretty good with it. Sure some purists would be upsetted by it not being the original songs... but that's what sound mods on the pc are for. Besides, I'd rather see Sonic 3 & Knuckles remade with new tracks than nothing at all.

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I just bought this to hold me over until Mania releases. Did I make a good decision?

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>>383995767
It's the most competant collection besides Sonic Jam, So I'd say yeah. Though the plus version is nice if you want a few extra games alongside game gear titles.

>>383995896
I heard the Plus version had issues on the PS2. Or are you suggesting the Xbox version?

>>383996006
Could be either really, I do recall it having sound issues for the xbox version. But maybe that was just a result of playing it on the 360... Not really sure. But standard version is just fine if you want only the genesis games.

>>383995767
>not playing the definitive versions
You fucked up, man.

>>383996078
Probably just wants to wait for the pc ports (if that ever happens, anyway)

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Wait, so is The Taxman and Christian Whitehead two different people or are they the same person? I feel like an idiot if it's the latter.

>>383996120
In that case CD's already there, and you have Android emulation for 1 and 2.

>>383996172
The Taxman is Christian's Sonic Retro forum handle.

>>383996172
It IS the latter.

>>383996172
They're one in the same, silly Anon.

>>383995767
Ristar is the best Sonic game

Imagine how unfortunate it must be to have Whitehead as your last name.

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What do you think it'll be like?

>>383996540
We've already seen a few shots in the very first trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxmtYdEWVzo

>>383996540
From outside in the city to inside in the studio. I'm expecting some other fun gimmicks alongside the bingo cage.

>>383996659
Well I more so mean stage gimmicks, set pieces, etc, like the bingo.

I like how the Act 2's for the redone zones so far both sound like Good Future versions of the original tracks. Hope it's like that for the others.

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I hope LOst is SEETHING knowing that he could have been working on Mania right now if he wasn't a fucking retard.

https://www.sonicretro.org/2012/03/guest-editorial-in-which-i-rain-on-the-sonic-2-hd-parade/

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Post your reaction if they include this for whenever you start the game up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCBYdwbOWV4

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>>383997056

>>383993807
They are both nice.

>>383996540
I need the music of this.

>>383997985
Imagine an even more jaunty Studiopolis Act 1.

>>383996987
Anyone remember Tweaker?

>>383999080
Probably still in jail for fucking kids.

>>383999080
I wish I haven't.

I just listened to the 16-Bit Mirage Saloon. What are the chances of 16-Bit OST released alongside the game or even as DLC?

>>384000228
JUST
FOR
FUN

>>384000228

Doubtful. I'm surprised they aren't even selling the actual OST, this game is too fucking cheap. They definitely should have priced it at 25.

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http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicMania/

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>>384000903
Pure kino.

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>>383957528
got it on PC because it's the platform I'll still have in 10 years, and already I know I'll want to replay this

>>384000903
Why does this page ignore Steam, yet list the fucking Xbox?

This is the only time I wish time would speed up.

>>384001093
Japs aren't getting the PC version.

>>384000903
Does this just sit on "Now Loading..." forever for anyone else?

>>384001093
Japs only care about console gaming, not PC gaming.

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>>383987312
>>383985794
>>383985493
>>383960315
those 3 zones have other songs for them released by Sega
but they won't make it to the game because purists would sperg out if we got any of them in with PC soundtrack

>>383998920
The electric shield is my favorite among the shields. I like how it has new interactions in Mania with certain things.

>>384001043
Well I'm replaying S3&K constantly still to this day, and I hope I can do the same for Mania.

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>>384001306
what I mean is that if I buy it on PS4/Xbone I'll have to keep them around, if I buy it on PC, it's here forever or rather, until I die, so just ~70 years

>I'm replaying S3&K constantly
stop that you fuck, it's like masturbation, abstain from it until Mania releases

>>384001421
Oh but anon, I've already played through it 3 times already. Halfway through my 4th playthrough.

>>384001421
>he won't marathon the classics RIGHT before Mania
wew lad

>>383957528
>no PC CE pre-order in Europe

FUCKING BULLSHIT

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>>384001502
>>384001460
>not saving up cum for the new ona hole that's coming in the mail

I'm surrounded by weak-willed casuals

>>384001659
>not diving into the Mania full out
Do you even like Sonic?

>>384001659
S3&K is like an everlasting gobstopper. Sweet as hell but never gets smaller so you have it forever.