Demon's Souls

>>383942687
Your first Souls game is always the hardest.

>>383942687
You already got gud the rest will be a cakewalk

>>383942687
Bloodborne and dark souls 1 are good too. You won't get the same feels playing demons souls again for the first time though bud

>>383942687
DS1 and BB should give you a similar challenge. DS3 is shit easy in comparison.

skip DS2, it's bad.

>>383944302
DS is way easier than DS3

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>>383942687
Play Dark Souls Next. It's not the same but awesome.
Then play Bloodborne. It's not the same but awesome.
Dark Souls 3 is optional.
Never touch Dark Souls 2.

Play them blind.

>>383944302
>DS2 is bad
This so much. The art design is awful and the concept of difficulty is beyond retarded, I absolutely hated that piece of shit.

Also awful hitboxes.

for difficulty i'd rank them

dark souls > demon's souls > dark souls 3 > bloodborne > dark souls 2

that's playing solo with no summoning and not abusing any bullshit the devs overlooked. i've replayed all of the games earlier this year

>>383944476
2 isn't much worse than 3 if at all

>>383942687
You've acquired patrician's taste.

>>383945084
2 is shit. your opinion is worthless. i hate faggots like you. leave /v/ at once

>>383944302
Ds1 and Ds3 are way harder than BB.

>>383942687
Bosses are way harder in Dark Souls, but other than that it's easier

Any recs for fun builds? Been meaning to replay it but never got around to it

>>383942687

Play the DS ones in order and end with Bloodborne.

Demon Souls has areas where you need a shield, never use one for any of the other games.

Never google anything or spoil the games for yourself until NG+

And don't listen to /v/

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>>383945310
It's true fag

The linearity in 3 is bad enough that it almost ruins the game.

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Well nothing will be as hard as your first Souls game, and that's lots of debate about their relative difficulty.

>>383944476
what horrible advice you disgusting casual.

>>383945770
>linearity is bad meme

At least it has level design, unlike 2, which doesn't even capitalize on its world design either since it's a nonsensical fucking mess. 2 is fucking dogshit.

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>>383944476
>Dark Souls 3 is optional.
>Never touch Dark Souls 2.

Other way around. Dark Souls 2 at least has an identity of its own, whereas dark souls 3 does not. The major problem with dark souls 2 was how you had ganksquads every 5 steps and as someone who has always bashed this game to hell and beyond but has got to play the remade version last christmas, that is no longer an issue at all. The only piece of content that one should actively skip in this game is the entirety of the Brume Tower dlc. It's everything that was bad with the original game except it's cranked to 11. The other two were breathtaking.

Dark Souls 3 though is a thing no one should play. It doesn't have any identity whatsoever, it lacks direction, lacks innovation and it disrupts the slow methodic gameplay of Souls because they've made the terrible decision of pouring bloodborne enemies into it, while you still retain the slow clunkyness of your average souls MC. It's a glorified poor man's Bloodborne made in extreme poor taste and it shows badly. I'm sure this game was made out of the contractual obligation with Namco only since it's devoid of any passion.

DeS -> DaS -> Scholars skipping Brume Tower -> Bloodborne is the best way to play. You may or may not end up liking dark souls 2 in its current state but it's still worth a shot. Playing Bloodborne before the other games would only make them feel extremely dated in comparison despite it easily being the best of the bunch.

DS1 is my favorite. I just finished BB the other day and really enjoyed it. Haven't touched the DLC yet though. DS3 is a ton of fun too. Like everyone has said, it's hard to objectively say which is the hardest game because the first one you play will always me the most difficult. DS1 took me over a year to beat (still haven't soloed O&S..) but 2 and 3 were a lot easier. Demon's Souls was pretty easy too.

>>383942687
Nothing will be very challenging after you've already gotten a hang of demon's souls.
Bloodborne has the hardest bosses but it's all optional

>>383942687
They're all pretty much the same game, with like minor differences mechanically and a slight art shift.

Watching people argue over Dark Souls 2 or 3 or whatever is like watching faggots argue over which Call of Duty had the best perk system. It doesn't matter.

Just play them all. King's Field/Shadow Tower/Eternal Ring is worth looking at too.

>>383942687
Be warned, you already played the best game in the series

What's wrong with DS2?

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>>383946171
>>383945770
we did it reddit

>>383946171
This man gets it

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>>383944302
>>383944302
>DS1 and BB should give you a similar challenge. DS3 is shit easy in comparison.
>skip DS2, it's bad.
wew comparing ds1 to bb
bb has literally 3 playable weapons which are all easy mode

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>>383946171
>Dark Souls 2 at least has an identity of its own

Yeah and it's horrible. Dark Souls 3 at least looks pretty and has some phenomenal bosses, despite being otherwise relatively same-y to DS1.

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>>383942687
Play the games in release order. Don't skip Das2. Don't listen to the faggots here, they just parrot what their matthewmathosis says.

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All these DS2 fags ITT. What happened /v/?

After Demon Souls, I think FS kinda lost their way a bit during the Dark Souls series. When designing a Souls boss, one should prioritize making the fight memorable over making the fight hard.

>>383946841
Matt pls go.

>>383946171
Nono, listen to this guy. He browses /v/!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI

>>383946815
People finally got through enough of their backlog to get around to playing it, and thought "That's it? Goddamn people are a bunch of whining niggers."

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>>383946806
>bringing up memecritic AT ALL
Ds2 review score is the true example of how dumb reviewers are

>oh it's the sequel to a much loved game?
>Give it a fucking highcore

Same happened to BOTW. Reviewers just fear the backlash. They didnt rate the game at all.

>>383947004
>browses /v/
Opinion disregarded.

>>383946641
watch this video to find out >>383947004
This guy is super cool, he used to visit here all the time.

>>383947053
Ds2 lovers are a vocal minority

>>383947056
>Ds2 review score is the true example of how dumb reviewers are
this

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>>383946806
>muh metacritic

>>383947150
I'd argue it's more "People who think that Dark Souls is just an okay hack n slash series and don't blow their assholes out over every tiny change like a fucking Zelda fan" that's the bigger demographic.

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>>383946806
I legitimately believe it's because there is a large population of casuals who got into the series with DS2 as their first game (read: people who started playing the series AFTER it became a meme) and have never been able to get away from their nostalgia.

>>383946171
>it disrupts the slow methodic gameplay of Souls because they've made the terrible decision of pouring bloodborne enemies into it, while you still retain the slow clunkyness of your average souls MC.
The souls games started off with a game almost as fast as bloodborne, dumbass. They were never supposed to be slow. The character is sped up just as much as the enemies.

>>383945575

Northern Regalia build. You can tank unexpected cheapshots, you have enough magic and faith for basic spells and miracles, and you end up with the best weapon in the game. I recommend using hyper mode (low health = attack up) whenever you can. Use the Bastard Sword and Winged Spear with a regular compound bow until you get Regalia.

>>383946806
I've been playing the entire series chronologically on release and DS2 was an absolute chore to finish even once. I'm not sure if I ever actually enjoyed that game or just felt obligated to complete it.

>>383947150
It's the other way, only people here hate 2. Mainly thanks to matthewmathosis. Fags like >>383947004

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>>383946171
>das2 apologists will type out an entire essay to defend their shitty game

>>383947361
LMAO I only ever hear normies talk about any souls game besides 2

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The first time I ever played Demon's Souls, it had just come out and there was not much hype or talk about it, no talk about difficulty etc.

I watched my buddy play it a bit all in the beginning areas, we thought it was pretty hard but so fun and engaging.

I made my character, not expecting to really get into the game much at all, so I jokingly made a barbarian(deprived in dark souls). I told my friend I was gonna do challenge mode and not wear any armor and go 2 handed only.

I did so good and surprised myself how naturally pretty good I was at the game and fell in love and couldn't stop playing then started playing seriously once I got to the boss.

I will never forget those comfy days of Demon's Souls in my bro's room at his mom's house on a big CRTV as we would get drunk and challenge each other how far we could run through Boletaria without attacking anything.

RIP good old days ;-;

>>383947331
ok will check it out, thanks

>>383942687
>Are Dark Souls games easier or harder?

You skipped King's Field, which Demons's Souls is supposed to be a spiritual successor to. The first three games are really dated and you might have trouble dealing with their pacing, but the one for PS2 should be a cozy starting point. (The plot and setting are separate entities from the first three games, so no background is needed)

>>383946171
Its so weird how DaS2 fans became so vocal after 3's release.

OP, you should definitely give all three DaS games a shot, but ignore 2 and play the SOTFS version. IMO its still by far the weakest Souls game but still an entertaining experience.

Bloodborne shits all over it though, you should play that if you have the chance.

>>383948071
King's Field 1 and 2 have great pacing though, they're practically breakneck with how quickly you get through the games. 6 hour long strafefests.

3 is a bit slower and 4 is a borderline snore, so slow it's practically Dark Souls.

>>383945575
LUCK BUILD BABY

Demons Souls is literally the only Souls game where Luck builds are awesome.

All souls/bloodborne games are great and fantastic.

Once sequels / hype / favor is involved, people choose favorites and feel like they must shit on others that are either hyped, more popular, least popular, or choose literally any reason.

Talking about video games will kill video games for yourself if you let people's "reviews" and "advice on what to play" take too serious of an effect on your own opinion.

Just go back to the blockbuster days and take the "Look at the back of the case and see if it interests me" approach... you'll be happier in the long run

>>383948449
What if the 'reviews' are on the back of the case?

>>383948562
when i say "reviews" i mean paid reviews and how they've gotten out of hand in today's video game world. obviously a review can be helpful like when it's by word of mouth to a friend and there is no incentive for a good review, but today, popular reviews mean absolutely shit IMHO.

>>383948324

I had the opposite impression. KF2 drops you in a massive open world and doesn't give you much direction. I think it took me around 40 hours to reach the final boss. 3 has an even more expansive world than 2, but you can make a straight run for the final boss in about 30 minutes if you know exactly what to do. (The game has a weird economy system. You can sell key items to vendors, and other vendors will turn around and sell you different key items, including keys to the final areas of the game)

KF4 took me damn near 60 hours to finish. Most of that was just figuring out where to go next, and grinding enough to survive the transition to new areas.

>>383948562
reviews weren't always on video game cases, you're showing your age though. i think it's more like if a game seems interesting to you maybe just try it instead of being scared to play a game if it has whatever popular opinion

>>383948940
>I think it took me around 40 hours to reach the final boss.
Jesus Christ, man.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np5PdpsfINA this is such a fucking good video

If you played darks souls 1 or demon souls first, you've already gotten gud and the rest of the games are easy as fuck.

If you played bloodbounre first, you are an even better player and have an easier time playing any of the dark souls or demons souls.

I say about bloodbounre because it's the type of game that forces the gud players to adapt to a more aggressively playstlw dude to the nature of the bosses being huge and how the Health system worked. You also become conservative with health items and by the end of your Bloodbounre runs, you should still have plenty of vials left. When you translate this playstyle into a regular souls game, the result is that you are better capable of using aggressive tactics on both large sized and even human sized enemies and can better manage your estus charges.

Meanwhile, the estus system in dark souls, coupled with it letting you play a more defensive style with shields and such are easier to get behind and is how the average player adapts to the PVE of the souls games. While prevalent and extremely useful across all Soulbounre games, iparrying is better to practice in demon/dark souls then in BB and if you can master parrying, you've just won the Soulsbounre lottery and every lovely in the game will come to your beck and call

>>383949076

It was my first KF game, and I didn't use a guide. I probably spent most of that time grinding to stay alive.

>>383949347
>bloodbounre
>bounre

What is this abomination

I'm not about to buy a PS4 just to play a game with about 2 viable weapons in it. All 3 Dark Souls games were good, IMO 2 is really underrated.

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How are the King's Field games /v/? Seems not many people have played them at all. The PS1 ones seem pretty spooky desu here.

>>383949892
>All 3 Dark Souls games were good, IMO 2 is really underrated.

DS2 is considered the best From game though? See >>383946806

>>383946171
This guy gets it, Dark Souls 2 may have had it's bad points but it at least had it's good points too. Dark Souls 3 was pretty mundane in comparison.

>>383944120
first post wins

>>383950054
They're pretty good. I also like the spinoffs, even if the hit detection in the OG Shadow Tower is fucking weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyIjbs_TPgM

Also fantastic OST.

>>383950171

God I fucking hate you putting a question mark at the end of that die you leftbook sounding faggot

>>383950171
Whoah, from all the hate it gets in the community I always just assumed it got bad reviews too.

>>383950054
>How are the King's Field games /v/?

Like Souls in first-person with tank controls, no character builds, and really slow pacing. You hack at things to level up, you sometimes find more powerful equipment than what you're wearing, and you find and use crystals to learn new spells.

It was cool how every game after the first used an interconnected world though. There were no load times when you moved from one area to another. But in reality, loading was masked by placing long corridors between regions.

>>383946171
>The only piece of content that one should actively skip in this game is the entirety of the Brume Tower dlc
no way the lad should miss out on 2 of the best boss fights in the game, even if he has to endure all the bullshit of that area

>>383944302
I liked dark souls 2, they improved a lot on dark souls 1 and with the dlc included it's a pretty good souls game I like it much better than 3 anyway

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OP here, thanks guys, I guess I'll just play DS1 and 2. Don't have a ps4 to play DS3 and BB sadly

>>383949223
fuck off vaati

>>383950907
The maiden in black and level-up lady in Bloodborne share the same voice actress

>>383950346
I'm listening to it now and it makes me want to play the game. Description also says it was released less than 2 weeks after Playstation was on shelves. Although North America never got the first game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4iE0ejlFis

>>383951469
That's cool
so the world might be mended

>>383942687
Demon's Souls is objectively the easiest game in the series. Flamelurker is the only hard boss in the game.

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>>383950054
>Seems not many people have played them at all.
They seem rare outside of Japan. I don't think the English versions were very widely published, so they remain relatively unknown to the world.

But yeah, they're very proto-Souls. Fun fact: Quite a few things from Souls were lifted from King's Field, like Guyra and the Moonlight Sword. I don't think the series are canonically related though.

>>383951501
Hit up the ROM community, there's a translation for the first.

http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1067/

>>383951937
Moonlight Blade is in like most of their games, with Ninja Blade, Armoured Core, etc. It's great.

>>383948341
I don't remember them having more than 1 weapon to use so I wouldn't consider them very awesome.

>>383944476
das > des = bb > das3 > shit >> das2

BB > 3 > 2 > 1 > DeS

>>383952275
Its one of the best weapons in the game though and Luck builds were really strong in DeS.

noob question, why DS2 is that bad?

>>383952842
Lackluster level design
Mostly bleh bosses
Ridiculously lame lore aside form the shards of Manus stuff
Soul Memory
Sluggish control when using larger weapons

Definitely worth a try though, as long as you play SOTFS or at least DaS2 with the DLC.

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>>383952213
>Moonlight Blade is in like most of their games

It even appears in both of the EverGrace games.

>>383953005
Why do people get on 2's case for having bad bosses? I find this blatantly untrue, at least compared to DeS and DaS which truly have mostly bleh bosses. In fact, the amount of good bosses in both games can be counted on one hand. DeS has Tower Knight, Flamelurker, Penetrator, Storm King for the wow effect, False King. That's it. No, Maiden Astraea is not a good boss fight, lorefriend. Dark Souls has... oh, gee... nothing, I guess. Ornstein and Smough are only remembered for being a massive difficulty spike, it's not a particularly good fight. At least the DLC saves its ass, with every boss fight there being excellent.

2 has a big batch of forgettable bosses as well, but it has quality bosses like Lost Sinner and Velstadt too, who are better than anything in base game DaS. Bosses didn't get consistently enjoyable until 3 and BB, though.

DeS > DaS > BB > shit > Das3 = DaS2

>>383953627
Because I find most of the vanilla bosses really mediocre. The fact that you say Dark Souls 1 has no good bosses tells me that our tastes are so fundamentally different that its not worth discussing this further.

>>383953801
Fair enough. Which non-DLC bosses in Dark Souls would you say are good, then? I'm not gonna call your taste shit or try to argue against it or anything, I'm just curious.

>oh boy, demon's souls
>das2fags everywhere
ew nvm

>>383953950
Quelaag, Iron Golem, Nito, Sif, Gwyn, Four Kings are all fights I enjoy. Pinwheel during low level runs is actually pretty cool too. I think Capra Demon is a good early boss, as are the Gargoyles. And of course, O+S.

Meanwhile in DaS2 I really liked Velstadt, Lost Sinner, LGK and Demon of Song. Undead Chariot is pretty neat too.

>>383954150
Oh, I actually forget about Quelaag. Yeah, I liked that fight too. Guess we agree on something after all.

>>383954150
Oh, and I should also mention that there are several Demons Souls bosses that you didn't mention that I loved, like Maneaters, Old Monk, False Idol, Old Hero, Phalanx, and Armor Spider. IMO DeS has the most memorable and diverse roster of gimmick bosses outside of maybe BB.

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>Difficulty
DeS > BB > DaS > DaS2 Vanilla > DaS3 > DaS2 Scholar
>Athmosphere, World, Story
Bloodborne > DaS > DeS > DaS3 > DaS2
>Bosses
DaS > Bloodborne > DeS > DaS3 > DaS2

at least that's my opinion on the subject.
you could argue that DaS is harder the first time through than Bloodborne, but in retrospect it turns out it's really easy to get overpowered early on in DaS if you know where to find a good weapon, how to spec your character or where to find key items for upgrading weaponry.
in Bloodborne you can't really cheese the system like that and get really strong early on.

>>383956041
Pretty amazing webm here.

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>tfw you realize that if the release dates and game titles of DaS2 and DeS were switched, you would have hated on DeS.
This doesn't excise the gritty look of DaS2 but it's still true.

>>383956539
That's the stupidest shit I've read all day.

>>383956621
same here

>>383956621
DeS gets a pass for being old and kind of inventing a genre but DaS was a massive upgrade in combat mechanics and diversity.
If DeS Came out after DaS2, people would have thought that Japan was regressing to the stone age or some shit.

>>383956539
>>383956621
>>383956708
i actually agree with what he said a little bit.
>health bar is now halfed after a single death instead of many deaths
"they just made the game difficult for the sake of difficulty"
>now have to grind for limited healing items
"wow i now have to waste time just to heal, where did the estus go?"
>Mana Bar
wow infinite spelluses... what an easy cheap way to get through the game

i am pretty sure people would complain about those changes.
but it's okay since Demons Souls came first in our universe.

>>383956539
*excuse

>>383956959
>>383956969
You both are so fucking stupid.

>>383956969
>Mana Bar

This is one change Dark Souls brought that I loved since I feel limiting the amount of spell uses is the best way to balance these games. Magic is very op in most Souls games. It would have especially helped DeS if it had limited uses for spells.

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I fucking love the Elite Knight set.
That's it.

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>>383957292
I mean, were just talking worst vs 2nd worst......right?

>>383944120
This

It gets easier the more you're used to the mechanics.

>>383944120
>>383958321
Wrong

For me it was Dark Souls. Dark Souls 2 was by far the easiest.

>>383958321
I just got chills thinking about learning how to use I frames in a roll in my first DaS play through to now when I hardly ever miss an I frame even if it's the first time I encounter an enemy in a playthrough and I'm just some PvE shitter.

Thinking of replaying a souls game, which one lets you make the best faith archers?

>>383951092
it's mathew, tho

>>383944302
Dark Souls 2 is good.

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>>383956041
That webm is fantastic. I also appreciate and agree with your views. I liked all the different weapons from Dark Souls 2, I wish they had put the bone fist in 3.

>>383956041
>DeS
>hard
if you consider "figuring out the boss's gimmick" to be difficult

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>>383959669

>>383946770
The PC mustard seed gotta come out of the woodwork as soon as BB is mentioned.

You've never played it. Why go on the internet and lie?

>>383944120

This. Started with Dark Souls which was hard at first, but halfway through the game I started dying significantly less. In one session I only died because I fell off some stairs. Bloodborne kicked my ass harder than any Souls game though.

>>383960786
Yea, I never parried so BB was the hardest for me aside from DaS but that was my first.
I think first will always still be hardest because learning to roll with I frames is just weird to first timers but remains relatively unchanged through all games.

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>>383952428
yup
although I didn't play ds2

>>383946770
>bb has literally 3 playable weapons
You wanna know how I know you haven't actually played Bloodborne?

I played DS1 over a dozen times this year alone since I started playing and I just beat DS2 last night and I don't get the critique. DS1 looks like it's made out of fucking play-doh to me now, maybe because I played it a lot fairly recent.

>>383942687
ordered a copy of this off amazon yesterday. first played DS1, then 3, then bloodborne. now i'll be moving on to this. should i even ever touch 2? i'm fine with never playing a bad entry in a good series, i played every DMC except for 2 and DmC for example.

>>383964113
It's not even that bad of an entry. Even as the worst souls game it's better than a lot of the other games released recently.

>>383964113

>should i even ever touch 2?

As usual, /v/ exaggerates when they talk shit about it. Yes, it's the weakest entry in the series (though DS3 is the most soulless), but it's still a good game overall. Just don't expect it to be as good as Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, or Bloodborne.

>>383952428
switch des and das and you got best list
nexus is 100 times better than the open world

>>383945575
luck build with blueblood sword enchanted with light weapon is best build

i wish i could go back to when demons souls was the only souls game
it was a magical time

>>383964550
Right?
The best areas in DaS2 are way better than the worst areas in any other souls game.
I know that's a weak endorsement but believe me, if DaS2 was some stand alone game that had no sequels, it would have a rabid cult following.
It's a good video game.

>>383949892
>2 viable weapons
every weapon in that game is viable, faggot. Your shit taste is blinding you.

>>383948093
it's because they got booted out of /dsg/ in favor of Ds3 discussion. If a ds4 was released you would see the same thing with Ds3 fags flocking back to /v/. Fact is, most ds3 fags stay on /vg/ right now.