More Like Persona 5/10, Amirite

>Linking directly to kotaku

What's the tl;dr?

Fake News

>>383927642
Archive it you idiot

why is kawakami so perfect

>>383927642
TL DR seriously. i'm not fond of kotaku

>>383927939
She makes sexual abuse and blackmail sexy

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>direct link to Kotaku

>>383927642

>kotaku

do us a favor and fuck off

>>383927642
>90% shitty VN
>10% boring RPG
>story is literally about high school students beating the antagonists (who lack any depth whatsoever) with the power of friendship
>tell, don't show
>almost impossible to get killed in a battle, everything is piss easy
>literally a having friends simulator
why do people like this game so much? there are better JRPGs and there are better VNs. i genuinely don't get the appeal

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>>383927642
>kotaku

>kotaku

>>383927729
Essentially: the game is too repetitive, the characters are bad (Ryuji in particular) the traitor was too obvious, the villains never surpassed kamoshida

>>383927729
tl;dr

Villains went downhill after kamoshida, phantom thieves hypocrisy barely explored, cast have weaker chemistry than P4's + too much PT focus, etc.

Not far off from impressions here imo.

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>>383927642
>UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhrY2JJqkiI
Looks like I missed some computers and office chairs, brother!

>>383928424
the traitor was never the plot twist.

>Kotaku

>>383927642
>kotaku writes another bait article
cool

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>>383928401
Found the triggered redditors.

Why the fuck does everyone think Akechi is named after Adachi and not, you know, the fucking famous fictional Japanese detective?

>>383928295
>literally a having friends simulator
>why do a bunch of friendless virgins like this game so much?

hmm really makes you think

>>383928295
At this point the series is supported largely by ironic weebs

I liked 3 for the novelty, couldnt finish 4.
And I like anime and VNs

>>383928424
>traitor was too obvious

Akechi being a traitor was never the twist. The Phantom Thieves knowing he was a traitor and doing an Ocean's 11 style fakeout is the twist.

I agree with the other points though. Especially Kamoshida never being surpassed.

>>383927642
One on the right looks like a tranny

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>There's no reason for the villains to be doing what they're doing because nobody is actually a bad person IRL

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>>383927642
The Casino dungeon was terrible and unfun. Then the whole Akechi "twist" was fucking horribly written and stupid, and I usually like stupid cheesy anime stories.

I'm at the Shijo Cruise Ship dungeon and I find it difficult to keep playing, which is weird because I played the first 90 hours non stop for 2 weeks.

>v still thinks that a dozen clicks from people that likely all have ad block is going to seriously contribute to kotakus budget
I guess I'll post the big points

>The Persona series has an unusual structure, particularly in the way it uses the repetition of days and weeks as the backbone of all its more fantastical action. For an example of how something like this can work, we could listen to Philip Glass's Music in Twelve Parts, which uses repetition to accentuate changes within each of its movements. When things become stale a small but significant change is introduced, transforming and revitalising it. It pounds a melody or beat into the audience’s head only to later change it and subvert their expectations. The repetition is why it works. You willingly listen to the same lines of music be repeated again and again, waiting for something to shift. You don’t know when and you don’t know what but you know something’s coming

>This is what it should have been like to play Persona 5. But the problem is, nothing changes. Persona 5 marches religiously to the same tune that Persona 4 set and opts for style over not just substance, but everything else. It overstays its welcome for more than half of its 100 hour-run-time and the repetition goes beyond stale to become simply tired. The game's structure puts the same beats on repeat, with no twists, no turns and no surprises. All motivation to continue playing is soon burnt out. It's scant consolation that the finale involves the script going into the shredder.

>>383928581
Because most aren't weeb enough to know who the fuck that is

>>383928567
Noone wants to click your shitty article without it being archived, Kotakuman

>>383928424
That's somewhat true.
First story arc was handled way better than anything else behind that except, maybe, Futaba's dungeon.

>>383928657
>Phantom Thieves knowing he was a traitor and doing an Ocean's 11 style fakeout is the twist

I thought that was stupid as fuck and was explained horribly for way too long.

>>383928295
Would be a goat game if gooks could only write slightly better stories, stop obsessing over highschool and stop handholding players in a fucking jrpg, the easiest genre.

>>383928424
How is Ryuji any worse than someone like Yosuke? No really I'd love to know if someone could tell me. The P5 cast isn't great but compared to the P4 cast they're fucking amazing.

Im still right after Futabas dungeon. The drag that is the shallow social links is just boring as shit and the dungeons so far and their bosses don't make me wanna push on faster. I've gotten further in my replay of SMT4A where im like 60-65% done there already.

Can we just take a moment even with all the waifu shit SMT4A is a fucking amazing game and they took a shit system like Smirk and made it good?

>>383928793
I'm fine with dismissing that opinion.

The persona series is over anyways the minds behind it moved on to that new atlus project
There will be more persona but will be made by new people from now on and just because they sell not because there is any passion

>>383928581
Because he's named after the person who betrayed Nobunaga

>>383928702
>(Ryuji in particular)
Ryuji's based and honestly better then most of the Persona 4 case on his own. And he's not even the best character in the game.

>>383928852
Um, Ryuji being a cisnormal male is the problem sweetie.

You guys seriously don't understand the different between US kotaku and UK kotaku?
UK kotaku is based. My go-to source for vidya news and reviews.

>>383928732
>Kotaku apologist thinks I'll even risk the CHANCE they might make a single penny off my click.

Hulk was supposed to bury them, fucking french bailing them out.

>>383928732
>For a story-driven and character-led game, this is a serious problem. The story and world are the core of a linear RPG’s appeal. Doubly so for a game where combat goes no further than holding R1 and occasionally pressing X. The cast has to be compelling, the player has to care about them, and the unfolding events have to maintain your interest.

>Persona 5 has this difficulty all the way through it, of simultaneously trying to say something profound about young people, their burgeoning hopes, rich inner lives, and developing sexuality — and then sexualising its underage cast in order to push the plot forwards. One of the occasions involves an aged aristocrat, which is just all sorts of gross.

>Persona 5's story is, at least, ambitious. It taps into one of the best elements of the Agatha Christie 'whodunnit,' the knowledge from the very start that there is a traitor in your midst. Somebody close will betray you and the rest of your group of friends: the self-titled Phantom Thieves. Exciting stuff for a game all about friendship.

This had the potential of adding a new layer to Persona's tired dynamic, making the player suspect everyone like they were a character in John Carpenter's The Thing. As the relationships deepen, so does the doubt: everyone's a threat, especially the ones you really like. It’s a shame then that this element was effectively kneecapped straight out of the gate: Persona 5 introduces the idea then, just as quickly, leaves it behind.

>>383928960
Kill yourself, shill.

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>>383928702
Protip: If you have any Rank 8 or Rank 9 social links, you should leave the dungeon and raise them to ten.

After the final dungeon, the game starts fast forwarding by months. At the end of the game, before the credits, you can go around collecting items from your rank 10 confidents. Those items speed up rep gain with them in New Game+ and unlocks their special abilities. For when you want to replay your save...twenty years from now.

>>383929057
hownew.ru

You know this place is really going to shit when there is a Kotaku defende force...fucking disgusting

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>>383928750

Its one of the few rare Kotaku articles thats objectively true, no need for you faggots to get assmad over someone not cocksucking your disappointing favorite RPG.

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>>383929018
>and then sexualising its underage cast in order to push the plot forwards. One of the occasions involves an aged aristocrat, which is just all sorts of gross.
Aaaaand article disregarded.

>>383927831
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>>383928750
Only nu-/v/ hates Kotaku

>>383929057
We didn't click Kotaku when /pol/ was deleted, just because it's back doesn't mean everything is because of them.

>>383929018
>that nothing criticism in the second paragraph
Sasuga Kotaku

>>383929190
2 tries left

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>>383927642

>directly linking kotaku

Slow day you got to shill there?

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>>383929057
Kotaku has been hated on this board before /pol/ even existed. Insulting people that link to it has also been a tradition longer than you've probably even browsed this site. Kill yourself.

>>383929103
Even if you beat the dungeon, you still have until the deadline. So what's the point of leaving it til the end?

More like Persona 5/5

>>383928886
I don't want another long explanation about Cognition, body doubles, pancakes and set ups. How they explained it was just boring and dragged on for too long

>>383929190
Nope we have shit on kotaku since 2006

>>383929245
Fuck off /pol/. /v/ has always liked Kotaku.

>>383928793
The explanation scene was bad but the actual plan itself was cool. It was awesome that they led Akechi along for an entire month and dungeon to spring their trap.

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>>383927642
i was going to flame you for posting a kotaku article and then make fun of kotaku, but then I actually read the article.
he's completely right, i agree with him on everything except for the praise of persona 4's story. we need more journalists like this guy, the rest of kotaku needs to be taken out the back and shot

>>383929018
>The problem is that Persona 5 never goes beyond Kamoshida. This is how every villain is treated throughout the game. None of them are developed beyond escalating their actions as well as hinting at some tenuous link to the bigger baddies. Their motivations are never realistically justified and boil down to simply “I’m evil lol.” To return to the real world for a moment: people aren’t bad, they just do bad things. Nigel Farage genuinely believes that Brexit will be a good thing for the UK. For a game riding on its villains, that basic level of nuance is a necessity. Having antagonists that are basically Skeletor variants is a monumental disaster.

>Alas, the Phantom Thieves are a morally righteous group of vigilantes. They are driven by what they perceive is just and because of this they spend an exorbitant amount of time beating their gums on the subject... The Phantom Thieves’ sentimentality is nothing more, however, than an excuse. Their decision to steal someone’s heart is always just a pragmatic solution to ensure their survival. The cast are backed into a corner by every single villain via some impending catastrophe such as expulsion, arrest or some other form of blackmail. The Phantom Thieves don't really have anything to do with justice. This hypocrisy, while hinted at, is never explored or even addressed in the game.

>>383928852
>But I find it difficult to care about characters like Ryuji, an obnoxiously loud, gormless albatross whose main interest involves perving on every female he knows and forcing tedious paragraphs of exposition. There’s a reason it takes a supernatural event for him to make a single friend.

>>383928484
>muh P4
Opinion discarded
P4 is objectively worse in every regard than P5

This bait is quite effective. Look at all the (you)s it's getting.

>>383929275
Nice historical revisionism /pol/.

>>383929143
>Persona 5 is such overrated VN casual shit that even when its a shit site like Kotaku people will use it to spear it through.

So glad the hype for this shit died down. All my friends and i bought this i'm not mad its not bad but i haven't touched it in awhile its like a 7/10 and im like half way but no one has finished it despite all of them praising it 1/4th of a year later

>>383929286
Again that has nothing to do with the plan itself, they just overdid the exposition when explaining it.

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>>383927939
i love her

>>383929374
Big section where he spoils nearly the whole game then concludes with

>There are many reasons for Persona 5's hugely positive reception, it is an unbelievably stylish game, but if you're looking for an RPG with a great story and characters it may be a huge disappointment. Every time your hopes are up for an interesting plot development, or an exciting battle, Persona 5 comes in like Garth Marenghi and makes it terrible. All to the music of a quite phenomenal soundtrack, making the experience of playing it akin to enjoying the heat from a glorious dumpster fire.

>Persona 5 does have serious charm. Pictures of cosplayers and fanart are posted at an incredible rate, and elements like its battle UI do feel a little like the future. Some players connected with the characters more than I did, and others got a kick out of the faithful recreation of Tokyo’s locations such as Shibuya station. Hey, there are even people who liked the combat.

>For me Persona 5 is a missed opportunity: a game and world that did so much right then, for whatever reason, was too timid to follow through. There is a lot to love here, but it feels like that's mostly superficial. As you spend more and more time with Persona 5 you realise that maybe it's not the friend you once thought. Maybe it thinks about things in overly-simplistic terms. And maybe it thinks it knows how the world works, but all it really has is stereotypes.

How do I get a job writing about video games?

>>383929378
Not really it succeeds better at what it tries to do

>>383929568
Get a twitter account and say you hate Trump.

>>383929341
I was going to flame you for being a kotaku dicksucker but then I realized your just a shitposter fishing for (you)s and since you got mine you must be really good at it. We need more shitposters like you.

>>383929057
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>>383929190

Literally all the same anon. Probably the "author" of the article.

>>383929581
Nanako and Dojima were the only good characters, all of the classmates were shit.

>>383929276
Not him but really nothing besides maximizing the impact of fusions and benefits for that dungeon and ensuring you don't forget

>>383929567
>Hey, there are even people who liked the combat.
The fuck is wrong with the combat.

>>383929581
Yeah, it tries to be a boring anime with a god fucking awful plot and shitty dumbed-down gameplay even though its predecessor was already dumbed down and it succeeds at it.

>>383929672
It's 2017. Turn based combat is a relic.

>>383929378
P5 hype i kinda get even though i think besides aesthetics its mediocre compared to mainline SMT/DDS. But ill never understand what made people love P4 because the casual audience.

1. Its ugly chibi looking crap
2. The coloring is just ugly and so bright and vomit looking
3. Bosses/enemies are just shit tier looking as fuck besides big bad ones
4. Mechanically its so much worse then P5 and SMT its so simple.

Its not special in anyway is it just babiest first jrpg of that gen like FF7 was? Or close to it with FFX?

>>383929672
He played on Normal.

>>383929609
would you like to criticize what i said instead of fasleflagging? you're not fooling anyone by the way, just leave

>>383929679
Don't even pretend the Persona series ever had meaningful or deep gameplay.

>>383929679
At least try to bring an argument, come on anon is not a big deal if a game you hate is not shit on constantly
It was scooby doo in a rural town, it succeeded at that, the deliberate contrast with 3 is apparent
Persona 5 is a disappointment because it could have been so much more

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so we can all agree that 3 is still the best?

>>383929143
No one's defending Kotaku in general here though, just that this article in particular has merit towards the game.

>>383929710
Fuck off, it has as much right to exist as your shity brainless "action oriented" slop.

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>>383927642
>Kotaku

>>383929829
I brought an argument about the classmates being awful characters and you ignored it. Yukiko, Chie, Yosuke, and Teddie were shit. Kanji was a little bit better but still annoying and overdone compared to Emperors like Akihiko. Naoto was the dumbest character in the game who argued for you to get the bad ending.

>>383928879
Smirk is great though

>>383927642
Likewise. I like the game and actually agree with most of this.

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>>383927642
I agree I have felt this way since I finished the game playing through it was a drag. I thought my love for 3 was holding me back I guess I was wrong.

THERES NO WAY TO KNOW IF MY TEAM IF BUFFED/DEBUFFED OR IF THE ENEMY IS BUFFED/DEBUFFED

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

>>383929808
This. Even with P5 having more mechanics bosses/dungeons are still so bland and easy that it doesn't matter. What makes mechanics matter is having the challenges to make use of them on that can threaten/impede progress.

>>383929945
Sorry but you just calling something "shit" does not give me any room to reply.
I dont think they were good either just adequate and perhaps mediocre and boring because none of them was that interesting

I expected rage material, but instead I got the truth.

>>383929672
I found it boring compared to the older games. It partly comes down to the difficulty and the fact that coming from SMT Apocalypse, the Combat in P5 is incredibly basic, and really bloody slow.

>>383928879
4A has fucking garbage dungeons. It's a disgrace to mainline and plays like a cheap boss rush fan game.

nobody likes kotaku

and it has nothing to do with politics

>>383929732
>Normal
>Not Safety

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>>383929643
Congrats for displaying your autism, faggot.

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>>383930028
When will the P3 defense force stop dickriding?

P3 remake in P5 engine when?

>>383929727
Yes, most of the people who think it's god's gift to mankind just didn't play other megaten games, P3 included.
>>383929808
Did you read my post? The whole point of the series was being easy megaten and P4 decided that was too hard and dumbed it down further
>FIVE fucking damage types and only two status types
>>383929829
>It was scooby doo
Scooby Doo was a mystery show. When the solution to the mystery is "a wizard did it" then your mystery is fucking shit. Scooby Doo at least had plot resoultions that made sense other than being figured out purely by process of eliminiation.
>muh adachi
I don't know how that article can bitch about villains not feeling real when praising FUCKING ADACHI who is literally JUST A FUCKING NIHILIST WHO IS EVIL TEEHEE
FUCK PERSONA 4 FAGGOTS

>>383929984
>SMT4 smirk
>Good

It was shit in the beginning and lead to dumb gameovers sometimes and past the early game it made the game so fucking easy because you could end bosses in 2-3 go arounds because of their low life pools.

SMT4A did it right by balancing certain mechanics around it. Like Hama/Mudo/Salvation/Some moves getting piercing through it.

It was mediocre mechanic in vanilla but in SMT4A they made it one of the best SMT mechanics with personality.

>>383929057
You've proven yourself to be incredibly new. No one tell him.

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>>383928928
You haven't played 4 have you faggot

>all these newfags not knowing /v/ always hated Kotaku

Holy fuck what is going on here?!
I mean its not even just /v/, Kotaku is hated by everyone with a brain.

>>383930048
I havent played P5
I though the new non random generated dungeons were supposed to be great?
I remember a lot of buzz about that

>>383929945
>Naoto was the dumbest character in the game
It's a well-known fact that a person's opinion of Naoto diminishes with each play-through.

>>383930046
Based retard

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>>383927642
I liked the article and mostly agree with it. The story feels like a "thats it?" moment when its all said and done, but I think its still enjoyable.

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>>383930046
>THERES NO WAY TO KNOW IF MY TEAM IF BUFFED/DEBUFFED OR IF THE ENEMY IS BUFFED/DEBUFFED

>>383929057
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>>383929190

>When your editor is really pushing you for clicks

>>383930046
I don't know if you're deliberately being stupid or not but the game shows you the status of buffs and debuffs as plain as day.

>>383930118
I mean i agree. I like what it does right so much id give it a 8/10 but compared to SJ Nocturne DDS etc its not amazing. Dungeons didn't warrant being so linear outside of the last one not being linear with a save anywhere mechanic.

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>linking to Kotaku

It's okay, senpai. I got you covered.

http://archive.is/Y13Ub

>>383930267
/v/ pre-GG hated Kotaku

We then kicked out all the MRAs and PUAs and /pol/ kids so us rational, educated gamers on /v/ can enjoy Kotaku articles.

>>383930218
The point of the series was to be megaten in school so they could use anime tropes way easier and appeal to the anime audience a lot more
The prototype being SMT if..
But Im sure you knew that

>directly linking to Kotaku
>not even unironically

How is this thread not kill yet?

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>>383930267
Cherry picking 1 article means you like it???

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>>383930046
>being blind
Sorry anon, bet you can't even read this either tho.

>>383927642
>Not pastebinning kekaku
>Reading kekatu
>Agreeing with kekatu
>Posting britbong kekatu

I can keep going but you get what I'm trying to say. This could 110% right but senpai, a broken clock is right 2 times a day

>>383930267
They're not newfags, they're intentionally baiting reactionary idiots who can't help but respond.

>>383930289
They look great. But design wise they're just straight lines with anything blocking you just requiring you to take a linear side path to flip a switch.

Id prefer Nocturne where alot of dungeons look unappealing but make me think about where i am.

>>383930304
>>383930306
Besides memory, and buffing 1 member at a time how do I find out what's been buffed/debuffed?

>>383929861

We've been over this.

2 > 3 > 5 > 4 > Q > 1

>>383929374
Half the themes of the story aren't even about the Thieves but society around them. They are not seriously wracked against any moral standard themselves because what separates them from the villains is innocence, being in-tune with the morality of always trying to do the right thing even in bad circumstances, something most appropriate/common for young people. The commentary on this divide between disillusioned, nihilistic adults that run the world and the children who've suffered chances to fall into 'distortion' like everyone else but avoided it through the power of friendship. A 'fuck you' to the older demographics of Japan and apology to the younger generation pretty much all the way through.
This structure + never following through on 'calling out' the Thieves is, I feel, totally intentional. The villains are all "saturday morning cartoon' or whatever bullshit because yes, they are bad people, but moreso they're meant to represent a larger whole of adult society

>>383927642
Based Kotaku putting those jap loving racist Drumpfkins in their place!

>>383928581
Because they think it sounds the same and have probably never even heard of Ranpo.

>>383930203
Valid argument friend.

>>383930479
But by doing that they bring in real idiots that believe that.
This is why this site went to shit the whole "pretending to be retarded" thing

>>383929672
Some ADD burgers cant handle turn based and need to be constantly button mashing to have fun.

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>Kotaku

>>383929904
P5's combat is braindead easy even on the hardest difficulty, hell the game even dropped out of the top 20 in the May NPD month unlike Near Automata, an ARPG still charting with legs.

>>383930484
Oh jeez thats like the opposite of what everyone was hoping back then, what a mess.
Nocturne is a real dungeon crawler and its indeed great

>>383929146
Sounds like it's your problem for building such a shitty reputation, Author-chan.

>>383930643
Why would you choose to be conscious for that

>>383930771
>>383930674
>>383930643
Get out, /pol/. This is our board now.

>>383930491
Upper left corner

>>383928424
Ryuji is literally the best character in the game. Leave it to cucktaku to have garbage opinions and not be relevant.

>>383930195
Nice shop homo. We all know its true.

>>383930265
Yeah I have. Only party members I'd classify as better then Ryuji are Chie and Kanji. Naoto comes close but she's becomes pretty fucking boring after her dungeon.

>>383930502
>2 > 4 > Q > 3 > 5 > 1

Fixed

>kotaku
aside I generally agree with the article. The villains were all shit and the whole "Guess what? The blatantly obvious traitor was blatantly obvious!" thing was fucking dumb. Overall though nothing in the game felt like it justified how fucking long it was, especially after any of my hopes that the game would eventually do improve were dashed.

>>383927642
>linking to kotaku
>not even archived
>agreeing with them
I hate to use the term "paid shill", but holy shit.

They're 100% right about Madarame.

>Oh fuck, we made him too morally grey, we better have him reveal he killed Yusuke's mom at the last minute in case anyone feels bad for him

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>kotaku feeds off clicks
>everyone knows this and that's why they are staving right now
>Can't push politics because real news pretty much has that covered from front to back
>"Guess we have to talk about games"
>They shitpost about a beloved not saying it's good title

Question, if they went after a Souls game in its heyday would you get mad?

>>383931018
>White people don't have enough children
>Let's ship these guys to Europe

Are videogames bad now or are we jaded
I cant tell anymore

>>383931101
That was hinted at from the start you doofus.

>>383930379
Post Aoi.

>>383931101
What's *really* weird is that they try to re-make him morally grey during Yusuke's social link. Like there were two writers who disagreed and just wrote each section differently.

>>383930918

LET'S GO BEAT UP SOME SHITTY ASS ADULTS MY PHANTOM THIEF BROTHER!

>>383931139
No. We are the new counter culture.

The Left is going to rise.

>>383931132
Why would Hideo be laughing? And at whom? Konami? Konami would be the first one in line to receive licensing if this happens.

>>383928732
>>383929018
>>383929374
>>383929567
OK, let me explain why this is bullshit.

>It taps into one of the best elements of the Agatha Christie 'whodunnit,' the knowledge from the very start that there is a traitor in your midst.

That's not what Persona 5 is at all, this is the most offensive thing because there is no mystery about 'who', only 'why' and 'how'.

>It pounds a melody or beat into the audience’s head only to later change it and subvert their expectations. The repetition is why it works. You willingly listen to the same lines of music be repeated again and again, waiting for something to shift. You don’t know when and you don’t know what but you know something’s coming

This is also wrong, the repitition is supposed to be comforting and ground the supernatural elements in the real world and mixing it with repititive daily life.

>It overstays its welcome for more than half of its 100 hour-run-time

It's shorter than P4G, and feels shorter than both P3 and P4, though I haven't measured that. This is a bullshit complaint, Persona games are supposed to be long.

>It's scant consolation that the finale involves the script going into the shredder.

And here we have the reason game journalism (and a lot of /v/) sucks: complaining about things without explaining why they're bad. Suffice it to say that most old Persona and SMT fans loved the finale. Some fans don't like it, but at least they're able to explain WHY.

>Doubly so for a game where combat goes no further than holding R1 and occasionally pressing X.
>he played on safety
The combat isn't the best or most difficult in the megaten franchise, but it's still among the best of any RPG this gen.

>>383927642
as some one who liked p5 there is nothing in this article i don't agree with at least on some level.

P5 is definitely the weakest entry of the hashino games.

>>383931082
Eh he obviously shouldn't be linking Kotaku (or any site) directly, but the review is actually right.

>>383931195
/v/ is so clearly and obviously jaded that it's not even funny anymore. This whole "Everything new is bad" shit is the worst stuff that plagues this shithole. /v/ would rather see a game fail sooner than it succeed.

>>383931139
>proving him right
The poldditor weird logic.

>>383931283
Context is everything. They think he's not as good as "HAHAH I'M NOT GAY GUYS LOOK HOW NOT GAY I AM HAHA" yosuke.

>>383931220
Maybe it's less contrived than that, and some nuance does exist in the story

>>383931195
I feel like they've sorta improved a little compared to the 2008-2013 period.

>>383931283
They all say that not just Ryuji

>>383930894
>He hasn't played Very Hard

Turn based babies can't into action games, what a shock.

>>383927939

Kawakami is like your surrogate Mother but not related to you so it's okay if you get a boner

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>>383931302
The left isn't even done falling yet.

>>383931457
Speaking as someone who doesn't like P5 and loves Nier, you can totally do that on very hard too. If I recall correctly you can even do it inside of an active hitbox if your timing is good.

>>383930949
>This deflection

Again, autism.

>>383930950
Don't worry honeymoon phase should leave you unless its your first persona. It's obvious you didn't play 4.

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>>383927642

>>383928928
The fact that you think Ryuji is better than any of P4's cast shows just how low Personafags' standards for characters are.

They basically summed up how I feel about the game, what the fuck.

>>383931457
Very hard changes nothing about the dodges.

>>383929401
shut the fuck kotaku fag

>>383931416

Ryuji was the only one who almost brought down the whole team by doing it though.

Thankfully it was only someone as autistic as Makoto that ended up hearing him.

>>383931670
Haha, why is he worse? His personality annoys you? He's too dim?

>>383931670
Ryuji is lightyears above Yosuke, a character who's the biggest dick sucking yes men in the franchise.

>>383931318
>The combat isn't the best or most difficult in the megaten franchise, but it's still among the best of any RPG this gen.
>Whats Bloodborne?

>>383928732
>>383929018
>>383929374
>>383929567
>trying to say something profound about young people, their burgeoning hopes, rich inner lives, and developing sexuality — and then sexualising its underage cast in order to push the plot forwards. One of the occasions involves an aged aristocrat, which is just all sorts of gross.
I honestly don't get the criticism here. You can't say you want the game to have deep and meaningful themes and then cry when it gets uncomfortable. That 'gross' feeling is called your brain trying to think about something that you don't like thinking about and develop opinions and learn from this experience, which is something good art should do.

>This had the potential of adding a new layer to Persona's tired dynamic, making the player suspect everyone like they were a character in John Carpenter's The Thing. As the relationships deepen, so does the doubt: everyone's a threat, especially the ones you really like. It’s a shame then that this element was effectively kneecapped straight out of the gate: Persona 5 introduces the idea then, just as quickly, leaves it behind.

I like how obvious it is this guy wrote a ton of notes on the 'whodunnit' mystery elements in the game before he actually played the game, then got mad when he found out he wasted his time and was completely fucking wrong, so he tries to blame the game for not conforming to what he thought it would be.

>The problem is that Persona 5 never goes beyond Kamoshida. This is how every villain is treated throughout the game
This is a legitimate complaint, Kamoshida is easily the best villain arc in the game.

>Their motivations are never realistically justified and boil down to simply “I’m evil lol.”
This is objectively wrong though.

>Nigel Farage genuinely believes that Brexit will be a good thing for the UK.
oh shit nigger what are you doing

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>>383927642
the game went to shit after the 2nd palace

characters were fucking dogshit

combat is repetitive persona shit

the fuckign script in the game was horrendous, like someone took the japanese script and google translated it to english

overarching story was boring as hell

I can't believe I actually postponed my suicide for this piece of shit.

>>383931734
>implying any randoms would believe some kids saying "LOL WE'RE THE PHANTOM THIEVES"
In fact Makoto made the scene more suspicious by desperately trying to shut him up instead of humoring him

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>>383927642
>There are people who think Kawakami ISN'T best girl

Explain yourselves.

>>383931617
ok buddy
>>383931670
I actually agree Persona has more bad characters then good most of the time.

>>383931670
Persona 4 had an awful fucking cast, it doesn't matter how good or bad P5 is as long as it has actual fucking characters and not memes it has better characters. Kanji is the only P4 party member with a semblance of depth.

>>383931939
Why are you still there?
Do it.

>>383931329
The review is only negative because they're assblasted that they couldn't corrupt the translation with their shit.

>>383931318
>The combat isn't the best or most difficult in the megaten franchise, but it's still among the best of any RPG this gen.

What in gods name are you smoking? Have you not played any RPGs this gen outside of this game and various IF/Atlus kusoge?

>>383931939
So why is it postponed now?

>Expecting a good story in Persona after 3

That was their first mistake.

>>383931939
Suck my fucking dick, I'll take stilted accurate translation over liberal localization that "lol flows good" any day of the goddamn week

>>383931302
>The counter culture with the backing of the entire MSM and a good portion of DC
I remember high school too...

>>383931318
>>383931869

Oh shit, they just hooked an autist.

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>no main LBGT characters
>5/10

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>>383931998
There are better girls

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>>383927642
It's fucking true, Persona is literally Pseudo Weaboos: The Game. It blows my mind that people here like it. It sucks both as a game AND as a Pseudo-VN wish fulfiulment waifu simulator.

>Shit tier technologically
>PS4 version is just a PS3 port
>10 years in development despite being the same fucking game as Persona 3 and 4
>No major revisions to any important mechanics
>More of the fucking same
>Dungeons aren't randomly generated anymore, they're just handmade while still being shitty and awful looking
>There is only a smidgen of difference between something like P5 and actual kusoge titles like Neptunia and Atelier

It's legtimately one of the most overrated franchises on the fucking planet, Persona specifically, not SMT as a whole.

It's so ironic to me that /v/ shits on Call of Duty sequels for being "the same game every year" despite each entry being unique from one another, yet they lap up Persona like it's mother's milk.

Don't get me started on the fact that nu-Persona (3 onward) was a fucking cash grab rebboot made in response to Fate/Stay Night.

>>383932037
I think it's more likely you were bored by the other character arcs

>>383932196
And you can't want a good translation because?

The P5 translation was not simply "accurate", it was actively poorly translated with the team apparently having no clue about either english or japanese grammar.

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>>383928424
>>383928484
I can agree to that. It's so polished in some things that I'm willing to let it pass

>people being called newfags and redditors for hating kotaku

is this some kind of meta trolling or is this board actually full of newfags pretending they aren't new

>>383928732
>>383929018
>>383929374
>>383929567
>For a game riding on its villains, that basic level of nuance is a necessity. Having antagonists that are basically Skeletor variants is a monumental disaster.
Did this guy just skip over how every single villain gets a sob story and explanation for the origin of their distorted desires? Sure, some are fleshed out or better written more than others, but I'm not really sure what this guy is looking for.

>Alas, the Phantom Thieves are a morally righteous group of vigilantes. They are driven by what they perceive is just and because of this they spend an exorbitant amount of time beating their gums on the subject... The Phantom Thieves’ sentimentality is nothing more, however, than an excuse. Their decision to steal someone’s heart is always just a pragmatic solution to ensure their survival. The cast are backed into a corner by every single villain via some impending catastrophe such as expulsion, arrest or some other form of blackmail. The Phantom Thieves don't really have anything to do with justice.

This is a weird, but totally acceptable conclusion to make.

>This hypocrisy, while hinted at, is never explored or even addressed in the game.

OK, this guy just skipped over most of the text. It is explored constantly as the characters question why they're doing what they're doing, they fight with each other and even split up over those disagreements. You can say the PT aren't just, but their motives are fully explored and explained.

>But I find it difficult to care about characters like Ryuji, an obnoxiously loud, gormless albatross whose main interest involves perving on every female he knows and forcing tedious paragraphs of exposition. There’s a reason it takes a supernatural event for him to make a single friend.

Perving... what? I can understand not liking Teddie or Yosuke from P4, but... what? He hits on girls with you in a couple events, that makes him a pervert? Has this writer had any male friends?

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>>383932302
SMT4A may have reused most shit from SMT4 but as a low budget spinoff it managed to improve the combat and QoL stuff from SMT4 waaaay more than P4 to P5

>>383932302
I play P5 for the combat, it flows so well and the spending 2 hours with fusions getting my perfect deck of personas ready for the next palace or the next mementos areas is great

Game would still be a 7/10 even without the plot, sidequests or characters

>>383932281
>that panic when she found out her soul mate was a kid
>she tries to ask him out for dinner anyways

>>383932348
Or maybe that they were about one-trick ponies with literally ONE character trait and a shitty uninteresting dilemma. i don't even remember a single thing that happened in Chie's social link other than her kicking and wanting to become a cop. I don't remember a single thing that happened in Yosuke's link besides fighting the protag at the end.
Every character is just one fucking trait with a dilemma that was already solved when they joined your party as the main focus for their social link. None of them have any real personality.

Persona 5 is the gold standard for turn based JRPGs

>>383932590
In what regard? It doesn't do anything well, especially not the combat.

>>383932560
>forgetting Chie's love of meat.

I mean it's clearly her most defining character trait! How dare you simplify her down to just kicking and police shit.

>>383932662
Hey I dislike P5 but I'll defend it's graphic design. It may be the definition of polishing a turd but that turd is very sparkly.

>>383932560
They're boring small town kids and spend their social links talking about their feelings, which when attended to all check out pretty nicely.

>>383927642
>>383930379
Skimming through it, it seems like the entire article could be summarized with "it's not Persona 4".

So the dude just didn't like the game. It wasn't what he thought it would be.

It's still the best JRPG of the generation, and is better than 4/4G.

I like how when people do not like something, they feel the need to project it as an objective truth. That seems to be working very well for us.

>>383928732
>>383929018
>>383929374
>Hey, there are even people who liked the combat.

Because the combat is objectively fun.

>if you're looking for an RPG with a great story and characters it may be a huge disappointment

Does this guy actually explain what's wrong with the plot/characters? Because I know there are some flaws, but given his take on Ryuji I can't see his analysis making sense.

>and elements like its battle UI do feel a little like the future
...what? What does this mean?

>a game and world that did so much right then, for whatever reason, was too timid to follow through
Follow through on what? You bitched and cried when they did follow through on the theme of teenage sexuality.

>Maybe it thinks about things in overly-simplistic terms.
Fair enough, if very vague.

>And maybe it thinks it knows how the world works, but all it really has is stereotypes.
What?

>>383927642
100% accurate, dropped tat shit after the squid girl dungeon.
Even speeding through all the dialogue it took like 4 hours just to unlock the dungeon. Not gonna sit through another 4 hours of brain dead bullshit just to get to the next dungeon.

>>383932590
No wonder its considered niche shit nowadays.

>>383932302
There are more than enough new combat/fusion/social mechanics you fucking mong.
>comparing P5 to fucking Neptunia
Yeah, sounds like a hot spicy /v/ opinion from a half-baked fag who thinks he deserves to type up a rant post.

>>383932510
A man after my own heart. Some people don't understand playing JRPGs for the gameplay.

>>383932940
And you're one of them if you think P5 has good combat. If you actually liked JRPG gameplay you'd be complaining that it's a shitty, dumbed down version of megaten.

>>383932560
Persona games aren't made for ADHD children like you.

>>383929378
the only thing i think is worse in p4 is the dungeons. i liked the characters better in 4, ryuji really was like the worst character in this game.

>>383932196
Id rather have a you know actual good translation
But that costs money
t translator

>>383932664
P4 milking was a mistake

>>383932662
Name a game with better turn based combat.

Persona is great because its insanely fast, most battles take 30 seconds besides bosses.
It's all because of the 1 more system, all out attacks, the ability to negociate and "skip" battles that way.
Battles are lethal, HP for both player and enemies is generally low with very few damage sponge enemies or minibosses.
It's literally the DOOM of turn based JRPGs.

>>383932762
Boring small town kids at least have personalities.
>>383932738
Hey, at least that's one thing P5 does well, compared to P4, which looks, sounds, and plays like garbage. And it has even worse writing to boot!
>>383932664
I tried to shy away from mentioning their meme traits that became the entire focus of their characters when sequels/spinoffs flanderized them, even though the reason they were flanderized in the first place was that they had no personalities so they had to make shit up.

>>383933050
Fuck off man, One More may be Press Turn fisher price edition but the encounters are structured entirely differently and there mechanics inbetween the basic knock down enemy find weakness push/pull, enough to make it good.

>>383933052
Funny because I liked every Persona game besides 4.
>>383933063
The combat is worse, the dungeons are worse, the social links are worse, the writing is worse, the music is worse, the graphics relative to their respective release dates and platforms, are worse, the characters are worse, and the fanbase is worse.

>>383933050
Haven't played it yet but I'm mature enough to recognize that liking something doesn't make it good.

Love Dynasty Warriors shit but 90% of the franchise is complete garbage that shouldn't be recommended to anyone.

>>383933163
Yeah, well, the P4 kids obviously do have personalities, sounds like you did just find them boring.

>>383932910
>There are more than enough new combat/fusion/social mechanics you fucking mong.
Fucking retard this is exactly what I'm fucking talking about. Those changes are so small and minor that they're meaningless. You get perks from social links now? So what. It's still the exact same fucking game. Remember when I brought up CoD earlier? You sound like a fucking 12 year old trying to justify the new CoD sequel by saying "T-This time yyou can have TWO gun attachments and now you can wall run and double jump, it;s a t-t-totally different game!" Obviously the fucking irony is lost on you.

>Yeah, sounds like a hot spicy /v/ opinion from a half-baked fag who thinks he deserves to type up a rant post.
I'm sorry, how is it different? Low effort, tiny environments, low detail, and lew polygon counts? How are the randomized shitty dungeons in Neptunia any different than the shitty randomized dungeons in Persona?

>>383933142
>Name a game with better turn based combat.
Persona 3
Persona 5
SMT Nocturne
Digital Devil Saga
Digital Devil Saga 2
Basically all the press turn games that aren't dumbed down, and the other two one more Persona games that are yet still manage to shit on P4.
>everything dies fast
Yeah, because the game is the easiest game in the franchise.

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>Callum Agnew
>By this Author
>1 review

Now he has to rate BOTW, or he's just a pussy signaling faggot aiming for the low hanging fruit.

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>>383933431
>Persona 5 is better than Persona 5

>>383933525
Are you retarded? You are fucking retarded. Read you fucking retard.

>>383933605
You first.p

>>383928567
>>383929057
>>383929146
>>383929190
>/v/ gives you shit for linking to Kotaku for a literal decade minimum
>magically now it's nu-/v/, /pol/ and reddit who hate kotaku
Yeah, the problem isn't you retards, it's everyone else. Makes complete sense. Fuck off, children.

>>383933142
Charles Barkley Shut up and Jam Gaiden
Every Mario RPG
Crypt of the Necrodancer
Standstill Girl
XCOM
Final Fantasy Tactics

>>383932302
>Don't get me started on the fact that nu-Persona (3 onward) was a fucking cash grab rebboot made in response to Fate/Stay Night.

sae is bae
that is all

>>383933142
SMT IV Final
Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door

>>383933605
What are you talking about? He's literally talking about Persona 5. Read the thread yourself, you inbred cockmuncher.

>>383927642
Wait, why are they only just now reviewing it?

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P5 is GOTY, sold 20 times the amount P4 sold in the same time, your P5-translation nothing burger story flopped hard and there's nothing you can do about it Kotaku.

>>383934180
For attention.

Plus they had the game in February, so obviously it took that long to actually finish it.

>>383932276
That's a lotta nuts.

>.co.uk

It's some bored britbong from their failing UK office desperately trying to ignite a shitstorm.

>>383933398
This is a really stupid fucking comparison my friend, first of all there are rebalanced ailments, technical damage, baton pass, sacrificial fusion, the revival of demon itemization, and more. These are not things that have the same impact as a new perk in Call of Duty, a yearly series, they are changes to the core gameplay of a 100hr JRPG that just make it better to play. The fact that most of your post is indulgent I AM SILLY shit and calling me 12 years olds betrays the idea that any conversation you have about games will be shallow and inherently silly. Why am I even explaining this shit to you? What a weak fucking analogue, meant to be your big GOTCHA, fuck you.
P5 has talented creators, and makes decently-animated characters and environments that are not actually low detail at all given the hardware it's built for. If you really think the visual presentation of P5 is low effort you're just fucking stupid dude.

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>>383932471
>they fight with each other and even split up over those disagreements.

This literally never happens. Remember when makoto fucked up? They didn't even care besides yusuke making a comment. There was not a single moment where half the cast disagreed with each other and left.

>>383934354
Also regardles of your weak dismissal, social link bonuses are a natural, great addition to these games' structure, should have been in previous games.

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>>383934360
They're referring to this, retard.

And no one said anything about half the cast, that I can see.

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>>383933873
It's fucking true.

>Persona is a spin off of SMT and is literally just SMT but in a contemporary high school setting
>Persona 2: Eternal Punishment comes out in 2000 (last game before P3)
>Series is dead for years
>In 2004 Fate/Stay Night is released to massive acclaim and popularity
>Features teens summoning historical figures, going to school during the day and having magical fights at night, waifu wish fulfillment too
>Atlus sees this and decides to cash in by rebooting Persona and ripping off F/SN
>Persona 3 is developed in direct response to F/SN
>Suddenly nu-Persona is a pseudo VN waifu wish fulfilment game where you go to school bye day and fight magically by night, and now it's set on a day by day calender system (like F/SN)
>Now you summon historical figures instead of Demons
>Now you fight "shadows" instead of demons

I think this is so fucking obvious, but of course persona-fags are going to act like I'm retarded or that this is all coincidence.

>>383932043
>>383932108
waiting for persona 6

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The only thing P4 does better is the killer.
The traitor in P5 is too obvious, even if they pulled the "but he's in your party he's a good guy" BS.

>>383934698
>frogposter
Post disregarded

>>383934698
Persona also has never done anything to rip off Jojo. Never happened. Everything is a coincidence, especially 4.

>>383934825
>The traitor in P5 is too obvious
You're a complete fucking idiot, you're never supposed to think Goro is on your side.

>>383934961
Yeah, that's what I just said.

>>383934623
Bruh, who cares about some shitty cat bitching?

You made it seem like the there was a time the cast genuinely broke off because they had actual disagreements with what they're doing.

What happened with morg was some minor shit which they made up so quickly

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I'm having a hard time getting myself to play honestly. I was having a lot of fun for a while but every time I've put it down it's been harder to come back to and it's been just over a week since I last played. I'm at the beginning of Kaneshiro's dungeon right now, and I just wanna know if it's going to really pick up soon a la 4 did after you got Kanji, or if I'm at the "good part" already. If I know it'll pick up I'll force myself to go at it again, but if it's going to stay at this level for a while I'll probably just drop it a few spots on my backlog and come back to it another time.

>Kotaku is actually right for once
Glad I'm not the only one who thought this game was extremely overrated and shit compared to the last games.

>>383934354
>This is a really stupid fucking comparison my friend, first of all there are rebalanced ailments, technical damage, baton pass, sacrificial fusion, the revival of demon itemization, and more.
This is a really stupid fucking comparison my friend, first of all there are rebalanced guns, technical damage, wall running, sliding, the addition of characters with unique skills, and more.

See how retarded you sound?

>These are not things that have the same impact as a new perk in Call of Duty, a yearly series, they are changes to the core gameplay of a 100hr JRPG that just make it better to play.
Call of Duty adds more than just perks, and you think that CoD being yearly is an indictment when, if anything that's an indictment of Persona instead. A decade and less has changed between P3 and P5 than last year's CoD and this one?

>P5 has talented creators, and makes decently-animated characters and environments that are not actually low detail at all given the hardware it's built for. If you really think the visual presentation of P5 is low effort you're just fucking stupid dude.
Really. Seriously nigger? Not actually low detail? Have you seen Bloodborne or The Witcher 3? I honestly can't believe that you think Persona 5 is more artistically/technically impressive than any CoD game. It's laughable honestly. Even compared to other mid-budget Japanese games, P5 looks like garbage. "B-B-But muh flashy no substance menus..." Stop.

>>383934961

>Nah pham, the story was only PRETENDING to be retarded!

>>383935173
>You made it seem like the there was a time the cast genuinely broke off because they had actual disagreements
Firstly, I didn't make it seem like anything.

Secondly the group behaves like they've completely fucking split during this entire sequence and now can't do anything until they go the retarded cat back, who now has another party member on his side who also gives you shit for being split.

You're an idiot.

>>383935264
Nope the height of the game is the first level it slowly gets worst from there.

>>383935387
Nope, Futaba's palace and The casino are the best ones.

>>383934832
Not an argument.

>>383935343
>strawman
Woo.

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Once P6 comes out NO ONE will care about P5.

It only served it's purpose as a technical upgrade

>>383935458
I know, I still didnt read your post because of the frog

>>383930898
This only shows the enemies buffs not my party.

>>383935158
No, you said him being a traitor was too obvious, as if it's supposed to be a twist, it's not supposed to be a twist, the twist is your characters knew.

Is that good writing? No. But it's still a different thing.

>>383935442
>Egyptian shit
>Literally autistic girl
>Retarded looking boss
>Its the beginning of the story going to shit because "DUDE THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS ABOUT THIS PLACE LMAO"
>Futaba becomes the worst announcer nexts to Fuuka

>>383935559
Triggered Persona simpleton, as expected.

>>383927642
PERSONABABBIES BTFO

>>383931670
Ryuji is literally worse Kanji, but at least he's better than Yosuke.

Junpei > Shinji > Akihiko > Kanji > Ryuji > Yusuke > Yosuke

>>383929057
fuck off

>muh moralism review

That's why Kotaku is so despised. What the fuck does the review even say about the game

>>383932394
the translation was fine faggot, go kill yourself anyway you're probably one of those degenerate fucks that posted on twitter because your noname memefest localization isnt as popular

>>383933282
>Outside of combat, graphics, and dungeons (not that palaces are flawless either), the rest of your garbage complaints apply far more to P5 than 4.

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Hi, I'm the most realistically written female in this entire franchise.

>>383935372
>Secondly the group behaves like they've completely fucking split during this entire sequence

My sides, what you are doing is literally exaggerating everything to make it seem deep. They weren't "split" since they kept contact with each other and never had personal disagreements with each other then, they often kepting asking each other about if morg came back or something. The only person who literally "split" up with the group was morg since he cut contact off them and left for reasons even if they were childish.

> who now has another party member on his side who also gives you shit for being split.

Yeah some chick they don't even know at the time and barely took her seriously.

It's hilarious how you're trying to make it sound deeper when it's not.

>>383935723
I dont even like persona much

Why are retards acting like this is an actual review and not just a critical editorial piece? Fucking Persona-fags are retarded.

>These completely poignant criticisms are invalid because this piece is by Kotaku and also I was too stupid too analyze the game critically while I played it

>>383935679
Calm down man you're gonna trigger Fuukafag

>>383935947
No it wasnt it was absolutely horrible.
But good translators dont work on games and if you want them they cost alot of money

>>383936174
>what you are doing is literally exaggerating everything
Nope, didn't exaggerate shit.

>to make it seem deep
What the actual fuck are you talking about? Where did I say any of this was good writing or anything deep happened in the entire game? I stopped at this sentence because clearly the rest of the post is just making up bullshit, claiming I said it and probably disregarding it smugly because you know it's bullshit since you made it up.

>>383936148
It's true because she's a bitch

>>383936341
The translation was great.

>>383927642
Nothing worse in this world than Personafaggots. Hopefully one day we can be rid of them all

>>383936454
Ok anon if you are satisfied with that, thats great, makes my job easier.

>>383935523
Its like Smash bros all over again.

P3 = Melee. P4 = Brawl. P5 = Tr4sh. A steady fucking decline.

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>people still think Akechi being the traitor was supposed to be a twist
I am beyond baffled as to how you can possibly be this dumb.

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>>383931010
>Q being that high

>>383936629
SMT = Melee
Persona = Brawl

Ryuji was cringe as fuck. Ive been trying so hard to power through the game. Just beat the one Palace where Motoko joins you. Should I go on?

>>383936148
You forgot to add Yukiko-tier in personality alone.

>>383936454
>I have moderate autism

>>383936442
>they fight with each other and even split up over those disagreements.

Literally only Morgana splits up with them.

The only people who fight in the group again was morg with Ryuji who the latter didn't even take it seriously. Tried make it sound like there was more serious conflicts so fuck outta here with your exaggerations.

>>383937021
>quoting someone other than me to claim I said something
Okay.

>>383936148
true and that earned her a spot just behind mitsuru for best girl in the series

>>383936857
Yukari has a personality.

She acts like a spoiled bitch to cover up her own insecurities because she was treated like shit. Being around the MC made her happy, which is why she's so desperate to get him back.

>>383936793
No, get the rope and end your life now.

>>383937003
My condolences.

>>383936148
STUPEI ACE DEFECTIVE

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>>383937412
YUKA-TAN PENINSULA

>>383937397
To your kangaroo wife.

>>383930502
>>383931010

More like:

3 > 4 > (2 if you consider story & characters, 5 if you consider literally everything else) > 1

>>383928424

>the traitor was too obvious

I agree with the rest, but man, it's sad that there are people dumb enough to think that Akechi being the traitor was supposed to be the twist.

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>Ryuji is a good character because he's a total bro

I feel sorry for any cucks who's best bro irl is a loudmouth braindead retard

>>383928852
Ryuji is the worst, he can't keep his trap shut even if his life is riding on it. Completely shits on Morgana for no reason, and can't even apologize. I wish I could remove him from the story, I had to settle with removing him from the party.

>>383937295
>Yukari has a personality.

My sides

>She acts like a spoiled bitch

You just summed up her entire character right here, bravo dipshit.

>>383931613
you little shit
I can tell by your writing that you are the same faggot that posts in every FUCKING THREAD POSSIBLE
fuck it i don't even want to write
kill yourself you little shit

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The traitor was flat out garbage. Had the most retarded revenge plan and no involvement in the real ending.

It's like they want me to no give 2 fucks about him

Linking to kotaku should result in an auto ban.

>>383937295
Even after she opens up about her insecurities and bonds/is accepted by the group, she acts like a bitch. She belittles the other characters and ruins everyone else's fun. She sucks.

>>383937965
>Completely shits on Morgana for no reason

Little shit can dish it out, but can't take it.

>>383938017
Wow it's almost like you can do that to every character in this franchise
>Yusuke: Chuuni Artist
>Futaba: NEET Tomboy
>Ryuji: dumb delinquent
>Anne: uhhhhh... She's pretty?
>Haru: nice sadist
>Groo: Light Yagami
>Makoto: class prez
>Morgana: lovestruck cat

Should I continue?

>yukari
>bitch
reminder that yukari waits by your bedside for a week worrying her heart out about you until you wake up to greet her

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>>383938420
I mean, that's realistic. People don't change overnight, and by the time that Yukari realizes she's being a bitch her boytoy just died.

No matter how much I hate Ultimax, when Yukari is actually shown there she's pretty cool.

>>383938728
She became a power ranger?

>>383938473
Morgana boast a lot about being bigger deal than he really is, and can come as annoying sometimes, but Ryuji makes literally zero contribution to the team.

>>383938536
All light years better than:
>Yukari: Bland bitch

>Groo:

Fuck off

>>383938873
She decides to become an actress. When she's called in, she was in costume.

I don't agree with this article, mostly because I think that P5 is an improvement from P4 in almost every aspect and I enjoyed it much more, but I'm glad that the time when you can point out P5 flaws has come, because so far it's been an endless hype train with everyone one saying it's 10/10 best game ever. And the article is at least justified in bringing up that the story was weak, because for me it was the weakest part from the whole game.

>>383939096
So a sentai actor, which is like the lowest an actor can be in Japan.

>>383939271
Yes.

Half of people's win quotes when they beat her are about the costume. The only person who thinks it's cool is Elizabeth, and I'm pretty sure she thinks she's actually a Power Ranger.

>>383937965
>Completely shits on Morgana for no reason

fake news

>>383938876
>but Ryuji makes literally zero contribution to the team
He does more for the team than Ann, Haru and Yusuke.

>>383938728
Sure it takes people a while to change but if her bitchiness is a façade that she uses to protect herself, it would make sense for her to drop it after she's been accepted and "loved" by her friends. She keeps doing it, which means either that's the way she is or she's ingrained that shit into her head so hard that she can't stop doing it.

>>383938876
And that gives him the right to be an asshole to Ryuji back?

>>383939634
I mean, she tries, but then she's actually fighting with everyone during the Answer, in which everyone is a huge ass, even Koromaru.

Another paid Microsoft article. The Steam one was pretty good though

>>383939882
Koro was just following Junpei.
Fuuka was fine too

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>>383931998

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Persona 5 is too safe, I don't know why we had to wait years for this game when it just rehashed Persona 4 again. It was alright, but I hope Persona 6 actually livens up the game and changes the formula again.

>>383940470
Persona 5 was suppose to be something else entirely but got changed in development.

http://personacentral.com/persona-5-originally-going-backpacking-around-world/

>>383938473
He can take it, but was basically deeply depressed by that time and Ryuji calling him a useless fuck just tipped him over. If you banter with a friend and one day they come up looking like they're about to throw themself off a building you wouldn't go "lmao do it fag"

>>383940695
>the game is a boring rehash because of an earthquake

This is too funny

>>383940695
I had heard that they lost a lot of stuff due to the 2011 Earthquake. Interesting.

>>383936629
But P5 was better?