What the fuck? Since when was this a thing?

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since e3

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>>383919912
Since about a month ago. It's been a fun ride. This is the list I made when the game was first announced. Haven't moved Trunks yet.

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>>383919912
It is being streamed on Twitch via BANDAINAMCOU'S channel

>>383920070
I hope Super and Kid Buu gets addes, so I can have a triple Buu team.

>>383920070
Future Trunks is already confirmed.

>>383921364
I know. I admitted my laziness in the same post.

>>383921569
Oh, well I was too lazy to read your post so we're even.

Who would be the better Dan Hibike character: Yajirobe or Mr. Satan

>>383921789
Mr. Satan definitely.

>>383921789

doesnt matter

>>383921789
Potara fusion of the two.

>>383920565
max is bodying these dudes
>>383920070
pls no gotenks, such a shit character that almost killed the buu saga

>>383921789
None, Arale or Jaco should be the joke character.

>>383922219
Arale would be the better joke character because at least she could be useful in some regard. Jaco, Mr Satan, and Yajirobe would just be a pointless waste of dev time.

>>383922125
He's getting in m8, he's too popular and has a unique moveset to draw from.

>>383922385
Yajirobe could be above Tien if he wasn't a lazy fat cunt.

>>383922125
You don't want Galactic Donuts and Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack?

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>>383920070
>Read Dragonball manga
>Realize Tenshinhan is the most based character in the series next to Piccolo
No wonder they let this guy contribute to the final arc by having him save Dende and Mr. Satan, which lead to Kid Buu's defeat.

>>383922385
Isn't Arale strong enough to destroy the Earth 3 times over?

>>383919912
>he missed e3

Reminder that it's Dragon Ball Fighterz, not Dragon Ball Fighter Z.

>>383922704
Yeah but she'd be a joke character in the same way saitama is. I'd rather have that than a dan clone who's over represented in these games.

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POST potential TEAMS
>Fat or Kid Buu, based who is more fun to play
>Piccolo
>Tien

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>>383923032
>Yamcha
>Krillin
>Tien

alternatively
>Piccolo
>Tien
>Vegeta

Trunks
Android 18
Tien

>>383923032
>Mr Satan
>Hercule
>The Winner of the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi

>>383920565
>BANDAINAMCOU
Damn I didn't knew they were streaming the game. Gotta check it out, thanks.

>>383923032
>Cell
>Piccolo
>someone else that's green (Broly, 16, Bojack, etc)

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The visuals in this game looks amazing.

>>383922697
>>383923032
So is the love for weak niggas like Tien, Krillin, and Piccolo more of a westerner thing? Do they get as much love in Nipland? I know Yamcha's a meme everywhere, his death getting constant homages.

>>383923849
liking underdogs is universal

>>383923849
They have a lot of unique attacks and original DB-fans have fondness of them since they were actually useful in DB

>>383923849
its more of a varied cast thing
where you have many different playstyles rather than all that saiyan wanking
what we need is some grapplers like nappa, recoome or spopovich
speed types like kid buu, gotenks and burter
some technique types like tien, yamcha and piccolo
i hope for joke characters too

if ya'll are watching the stream, that max win just now was fucking amazing. this game is gonna be hype as shit

No Mr. Satan no buy.

>>383925168

Yeah I seen it. Fucking Goku SSJ3

>>383925168
That fucking Super Saiyan 3 Kamehameha.

>>383924781
>no Android 16 for the grapplers
come on son

i just want to push goku's shit in as mr satan

>>383925497
they probably are going to pick broly as a grappler since he's very popular

>>383924781
>wanting spopovich

I question you.

>>383925667
>not wanting to recreate videl vs spopovich

>>383922125
desu i like gotenks, i enjoyed seeing the kids get a chance to shine before the classic DBZ "hold out until Goku comes and saves us"

>>383923185
>Broly
>Kale
>Ultra Trunks

>>383926042
I am hoping no super trash

>>383926147
Golden Frieza is already straddling that line.

Max is trash at this game

this honestly looks FUCKING BETTER than any 3D dbz game that has come out, ever

>>383926438
Golden Freeza is from the DragonBall Z movie.

>>383926598
Haha, explain.

DBZ matches is REALLY fucking long, holy shit

I hope that's because they don't know combos, otherwise they need to increment damage.

>>383926565
he's never been a pro player t b h. he's a hype man who likes fighting games. why is everyone pretending he's supposed to be a god? I think he's been doing well so far.

>>383926747
Nobody knows how to play yet and there are only 2 stages and 6 characters so itr gets boring pretty fast

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>>383926695

>>383926695
refute this DBShitter.
>>383926857

>>383926695
Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’ golden is from dragon ball z

I hope Beerus makes it in. would be a good end boss for arcade mode imo. save the DB Super characters for the sequel desu

Did I miss woolie getting lit up?

>>383926931
A Z movie with Super characters.

>>383926939
And also Dragon Ball Super.

>>383926994
woolie isn't playing (at least in the morning tourney no idea on afternoon), he's just there hanging out with the max crew

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Limited characters for now. Maybe more time to add more later? I want to see long haired Videl cause she is eye candy

>>383927026
it was before Super cocksucker

>>383927026
the movie came out before super

>>383927026
You must be mentally challenged.
Which came first?

>>383927081
lol there is no need to get so touchy

>>383927032
because super rehashed Beerus and golden from Dragon Ball Z movies.

ssj3 kamehameha is nuts

>>383927112
The egg

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>>383927081
>>383927107
>>383927112
>movie airs first
>6 months later the exact same movie is part of super
>2 years later golden freiza is back in super

>>383926857
>>383926931
A movie came out and it was so successful they decided to make a new series based on it. Obviously they had to give it a new name.

>NAMEK TURNED INTO VOLCANO STAGE
Damn that was nuts

>>383923849
>niggas
Shit skin confirmed.

Who where going
>Goten
>Trunks
>Gotenks
Assuming we get those three

>>383927880
>Freeza
>Krillin
>18 or Piccolo

>>383923795
wow nice mpeg artifacts

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This entire game has me ready

>>383923849

I think it's actually more of an Easterner thing, because the original Dragon Ball is where these characters (especially Yamcha and Tenshinhan) had their greatest moments and that series has much lower cultural penetration in the West than in the East (which is also why the West is so intolerant of Goku having a child'd voice as an adult).

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this side tourney is more hype than the entirety of the rest of evo

Why the fuck hasn't Max's comeback been webm'd yet?

Mahvel is so fucking dead.

OFFICIAL BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR ROSTER
>Goku
>Vegeta
>Teen Gohan
>Frieza
>Cell
>Majin Buu
>Future Trunks
>Piccolo
>Krillin
>Tien
>Android 18
>Gotenks
>Adult Gohan
>Nappa
>Captain Ginyu
>Android 16
>Kid Buu
>Beerus
>Hit
>Fused Zamasu
>Bardock
>Pilaf Machine
>GT Pan
>Omega Shenron

>>383928478
I have less of a problem with Goku having a child's voice and more than Nozawa in general doesn't quite have it these days. People claiming she should be replaced seem to mistakenly believe her replacement should be male rather than a younger woman.

>>383929005

The cast in general doesn't quite have it but that's to be expected 30+ years later.

>>383928609

Cause it's a new game. We all seen street fighter and whatever the fuck they're playing over a million times now.

>>383928824
>gt pan
>no videl or satan
into the trash it goes

Anyone who doesn't think Super characters will be in this game are fooling only themselves.

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kid goku with his poll as a weapon and flying around on nimbus cloud would be pretty sweet desu

>>383930229
>wanting a joke character in a small-roster game
Videl is fine tho.

>>383930420

Don't forget his Jan Kan, his Hasshuken and his Kyōken.

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>>383930851
>not wanting joke characters

>>383931051
Save it for DLC or the sequel.

>>383930420
They will probably just add Goten... since he's practically kid Goku... literally

>>383931340

Yeah, literally Kid Goku... except he doesn't have his attacks or equipment.

Idiot.

>>383931340
They won't even add Goten. He and Kid Trunks have nothing interesting in their techniques or fighting styles.

They will put in Gotenks and call it a day.

>>383931340
Yeah, he's kid goku except with only kamehameha and "CHARGE!"

Fucking dumbass.

TRUNKS BUILD WHERE?

This DBZ game is literally the most intresting thing in this EXO2017, and it is just a beta with six character lol

>>383931950
nowhere
trunks isn't in the game yet

>>383923795
blame twitch's retarded bitrate limit

>>383932062
But the EVO twitter said we'd get the Trunks build.

>>383931051
Joke characters are cancer. Fighting game characters take ages to put together and they waste time on intentionally shit characters with one or two powerful abilities? Hell nah.

>>383932358
>no fun allowed
you are cancer

>>383920070
I think whis should be put up there to good chance or atleast no chance.

>>383932432
I meant low chance

>>383932425
>citing fun
>ever

brainlet with low vocabulary

>>383932432
whis is no fighter

>>383932697
>games have to be serious business
yeah nah fuck off

>>383932425
There is nothing fun about characters whose only use is dunking on friends who don't know how to play. You can do that with any character, it's just marginally less funny. Put the dev time into characters people want to get good with.

Arale or Jaco for the joke character.

Satan is cancer.

tfw most based team is pilaf/chiatzu/yajirobe

>>383932052
Wouldn't this quality as more of an alpha since there's literally only one game mode and practically no characters.

>>383932970
Jaco is even more cancer than Satan is

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>>383932970
>Satan is cancer

Those are fightan words 'round here

>>383932834
>games cant be fun if they're serious
>all games have to adhere to the lowest denominator
The game is going to be better if its serious and fun because of it. You can always play the budokai games.

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>>383933015
Technically it's the demo.
Beta will be during August for PS4 and XBOX to play for a week, and it will probably have more characters like Trunks in it.

Speaking of Trunks, where the fuck is he? He was already confirmed. Did they lie or are they waiting till the last day?

>>383932945
just because you don't want to learn to play with them doesn't mean they're not fun

>>383933221

He was probably too broken for the demo and needed more time to nerd him.

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>>383932970
>Wanting Arale over Satan
Arale was never a good joke, and I'll never understand Toriyama's boner for her.

Why everyone is caring so much about trunks? He is the new /v/ waifu?

>>383933518
Because he was the first new character revealed and they said he'd show up at EVO but he isn't here.

>>383920070
Vegetto has a higher chance than Gogeta, that's for sure...

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>>383920070
>Decent to Low Chance
>Hit

Sorry, but it's Fighter Z, not Fighter Super.

No one from Super is getting in.

>>383933769
B-but golden frieza le supermayamay!!!

>>383933769
Yeah, it's called Dragon Ball Fighters Z.
Not Dragon Ball Z Fighters.

>>383932425
That's why you put in Arale, she doesn't fall under that category of weak joke character.

>>383933769
Z is literally just there for marketing purposes.

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>>383933221
Mr Wizard later said he was "misinformed" and it was only the E3 demo

>>383933485
Arale has a better design and a more interesting personality.
And she's canonically strong enough to fit in this game more than Satan would, Satan is just an above average human.

>>383933518
There's 7 characters confirmed (Practically 9 with Picollo and Krillin always being playable in DBZ fighters), and we've seen gameplay from 6 of them.

Trunks is just the newest hotness. When another hotness is announced, Trunks will be old and busted, and we'll all move on to the new hotness.

>>383933975
what the fuck? that's some bullshit, nigga.

if Trunks doesn't make it into the multiplayer beta I'm going to kill somebody

>>383933874
>>383933965

There has currently been absolutely NOTHING to even suggest Super is even canonical to this game.

>>383934120
I mean, c'mon. They don't need a reason. I know they're going to put SOMEONE from Super.

>>383934120
except the producer herself said that ALL of Dragonball will see some form of representation. I'm not syaing every fucking character from Super is gettng added, but at least two of them will be.

>>383934103
It's already confirmed he won't?

The devs said that they want about 50% of the cast to be a surprise on release. Expect maybe about 5 or 6 more reveals, and only expect about half of THEM to be playable.

>>383933995
She's canonically strong enough to fit in more than 18 or just about any female other than the female angels and that one egyptian god. But I agree Dan esque joke characters are lame.

>>383934179
It's going to be Hit and or Black(Zamasu or turles 2.0).

That's a given.

Caulifla and the other shitty characters aren't going to make the cut.

>>383934024
ok now i know the plan

>>383932317
they jumped the gun. It's the e3 build.

>>383934234
>ALL of Dragonball

You do realize that "Dragonball" refers only to the Original Dragonball and Dragonball Z, since in Japan it was only ever called Dragonball and they only added the Z when it went out to the west?

>>383934238
>The devs said that they want about 50% of the cast to be a surprise on release.
Yeah, so having Trunks on the beta would be a good thing.

E3 demo is the main 6.
EVO is the main 6 but with competitive to revive the hype.
Multiplayer Beta would be like 6-9.

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>>383934397
>since in Japan it was only ever called Dragonball and they only added the Z when it went out to the west?
I don't think that's accurate.

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>>383934234
>All of Dragonball
>Shit from GT is going to show up in this game

dropped

>>383934397
>they only added the Z when it went out to the west
But that's literally wrong.
"Dragon Ball Z" is the japanese name for the anime and video games that feature the 2nd portion of Dragon Ball.

This "only for west" bullshit is false.

how come people arent stringing combos when changing characters? wtf?

>>383934397
She said ALL of Dragonball, which now includes Super as well, since it's part of Dragonball.
Deal with it. can't wait to see your angry fat face when Beerus/Black is in the game

>>383934665
>Beerus
Beerus is a Z character you fucking mongoloid.

You must think Pan and Uub are from GT as well, don't you?
go back to /a/

>>383934652
What do you mean?

>>383934592
he's wrong about super not getting represented (we have fucking g.frieza in the fucking demo), but he's actually right about that part, at least when it comes to the original manga. the original manga was always just known as "dragonball".

gt got a manga adaptation, but was never part of the original. and super's the same, getting a new manga adaptation but not being a part of the original series.

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Sigh, why didn't they just make it a Dragonball game (pre-dbz).

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>>383934665
Beerus is Z you retard

>>383934729
They only used Z becuase Super as a concept wasn't out at that point. Like I said, the term Z is used for marketing purposes, and now that Super is out, Beerus is considered a Super character.

>>383934819
no one has extended their combos by changing into different characters ala mahvel style. it seems pretty limited

>>383934835
>gt got a manga adaptation
AF also got a manga adaptation... oh wait, they're both fanmade.

>>383934835
fug

>>383934974
That's not how it works. Beerus is a Z character.
There's no "Well, Beerus WAS a z character, but they hadn't thought of super, and because he's in super he's a super character!!1" No nigga, that shit's retarded. Beerus is a Z character any way you slice it.

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Post characters who have no chance in hell.

>Toriyama forgot she existed
>Didn't want to bring her back after being reminded because her bipolar shit was "too similar" to becoming a super Saiyan
>Makes literal who fem-Goku in Super who goes super Saiyan instead of just using the character that already exists and fits the bill.

>>383934624
>"Dragon Ball Z" is the japanese name for the anime and video games that feature the 2nd portion of Dragon Ball.
So basically it's the non-canon name for everything that's non-canon?

>>383934884
because all of the "Dbz" arcs are just the second half of the original dragonball? There is no "DBZ" in the manga, it's just starts with goku as a kid and keeps going until Goku has a second kid and abandons his family.

>>383934985
>AF also got a manga adaptation
Yeah, and it was vastly inferior to the anime. Fucking ruined.

>>383934974

>character introduced in a game
>prequel, released years after original game, also uses said character
>WELP I GUESS THAT CHARACTER IS ORIGINALLY FROM THE PREQUEL GUYS, THE PREQUEL JUST WASN'T A CONCEPT AT THAT POINT

jesus christ how do you breathe through your mouth so hard?

>>383919912
>not watching every minute of e3
fuck off casual, this should be a permabannable offense

>>383935147
>Didn't want to bring her back
He was going to bring her back during the Kid Buu fight, but he drew 17 over her instead.

>fem-Goku
Caulifla isn't a femGoku. They share nothing in common. In-universe and out-universe, the only thing they have similar is being a Saiyan. Stop it with this shitty meme.
>b-but kale, b-but frosty, b-but cabba
Kale isn't a Broly counterpart, she's just the canon version of Broly. In order for her to be a counterpart, it would mean that Broly is canon.
Frost is just a Frost Demon/Arcosian. He and Frieza don't share the same ranks, they just have the same race.
Cabba is Tarble 2.0, he's nothing like Vegeta in any way.

Shitty /a/ meme, please go back.

>>383935607
b-but Goku said they're just alike! a-and their brothers names both start with the letter "r" !!!

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>>383935147
>Makes literal who fem-Goku in Super who goes super Saiyan

I think you mean Ultra Super Saiyan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6pWH_M5ctc

Speaking of, WHY THE FUCK does she go Third Grade AFTER ALREADY REACHING 2nd FORM?

AND WHAT THE FUCK IS SUPER DOING?

>>383920070
Supreme Kai was my boy in budokai 2

>>383935831
Wait, is this real? Seriously, what?

>>383935914
Supreme Kai a shit and is the reason Goku's universe's mortal level is fuck awful

>>383935147
I'd like her in but she has very little chance. I guess she could fill the role of a gun character.

>>383920070
>Bejito and Bardock
>this low

>>383936216
Bardock is definitely low.

>>383935831
>Caulifla is a Saiyan prodigy
Jesus christ, who wrote this shit? She has barely any screen time and she acts like a complete bitch who needs to get fucking raped. Why is she the prodigy?

>>383936102
Caulifla goes SSJ 1.5 in Episode 100 - leaked image from one of the production company's official twitter.

I hate so much about her character.

Cabba's fine, he hit SSJ after being pushed to the brink of defeat and having everything he loved threatened.

Kale's retarded, but the original Broly was just as retarded and they're just paying tribute to it with a lez twist.

Caulifla just starts schlicking and BOOM her hair's yellow.

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game's looking awesome

>>383923032
Piccolo
Gohan
Vegeta

>>383936364
>the original Broly was just as retarded
Shitty opinion.

>>383936304
He was in Extreme Butoden unlike 17, Tien and Super Buu

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>>383936412
Honestly, it looks pretty boring.

A combo here, a combo there, a shitty guard system, little to no aerial combat, fuck all for grappling meaning defense is going to be broken despite being so unfun

MvC Infinite on the other hand actually looks like it'll fix the problem from MvC2 that MvC3 just made bigger, and is shaping up to be one of the best fighters (next to 3rd Strike, Skullgirls, and Melee)

>>383934884

Not enough fireworks, wizardry, and explosions compared to Z.

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>>383936785
>mvci
>melee
>judging mashers who have had no time to practise
>kek

>>383936791
> not enough explosions

Say what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VO5Y_wFJsg

>>383936785
>defense is going to be broken
But defense is easily countered. Unblockable rush, assists, vanish, and mixups.

>>383932358
this is why super satan should be included and not just base satan

>>383936785
I can't tell if this is bait. Like I kind of agree with the DBZ comment, but then you go and post that MVCI image trying to shill it.

>>383936785
no one gives a shit about Infinite, just stop

>>383936943
>Unblockable rush, assists, vanish, and mixups

>Unblockable rush
Select characters only.

>Assists
blockable with parry

>vanish
Literally just returns you back to neutral, good for getting the fuck away but does jack squat for defense

>Mixups
any system that needs to rely on mixups to not be broken is fucking broken.

>>383937138
HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>383936785
I assume Tien is going to be the character who can "fly" like Sentinel or Ironman, since he was the first one in the series to show off flight.

>>383937138
>Select characters only.
All characters have it.

>blockable with parry
You can't block in both directions
>Vegeta assist
>jump around opponent

>Literally just returns you back to neutral, good for getting the fuck away but does jack squat for defense
I'm sure you could find a way to make it work if you chain it into something, I'd hope.

>>383937435
>All characters have it.
Developers already said only certain characters will have it.

>>383937502
I'm talking about that super fast rush sequence that does an instant 30hit combo.

I thought all of them had that.

>>383937609
Nope, already confirmed that Trunks doesn't.

>>383937674
>already confirmed that Trunks doesn't.
I'm going to request a source.

>>383936134
Heyy, man, he just wanted an organic universe.

>>383937801
There is absolutely no way he's not talking out his ass.

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Capcbros defending mvci are sad.
Just play mvc3 and accept its going to be fucking trash.

>>383920070
I'm hoping none of the movie characters get in honestly.
Even though Budokai 3 is my favorite I'd rather them just do justice to characters I like and who are actually a thing in the series.

>>383936621
Broly is fanfic tier retarded.

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>>383938389
Dante looks so fucked up niggu. And then there's Chun with the tiny ass head and retard looking face.

>>383938614
Compared to literally ever other movie villain, he fits in the most with the lore.

shitty opinion.

>>383937041
>
lmao keep telling yourself that.

Marvel anything>>>>>>>>>>>>> more popular than dbz

just accept it. DBZF will be niche af

>>383939063
He never said the other movie villains weren't just as retarded.

Broly is literally fanfiction though, and fucking terrible fanfiction as well.

>>383938389
but mvc3 was the worst mvc game by far. mvci looks a million times better based on mechanics alone.

>>383939063
>Broly
>Fits in better than Garlic Jr.

fuck off

>>383939534
>Garlic Jr.
>Literally "hey guys, new kami lore!"
adding lore =/= expanding lore

I'm not talking about which movie fits into the timeline the best(which garlic jr doesn't because it contradicts literally the first three chapters of Z). I'm talking about which villain makes the most sense based on previously established lore. Super Saiyan of Legend makes more sense than some random guy who suddenly has a rivalry with kami.

>>383939421
>terrible fanfiction
some of the best fanfiction this series has ever had, shitty opinions are shit.

>no trunks

>>383939063
Broly was a special snowflake super saiyan for literally no reason. A "regular" super saiyan was already the stuff from the legends. Him being extra special legendary was redundant.

>>383921789
Yajirobe.
He's pretty underrated overall, he kills one of King Piccolos goons and saves everyone from Vegeta.
Yamcha would be more of a joke character than he is.

>>383923032
>Future Trunks
>Vegeta
>Tien

If Burter gets in somehow he'll be in my team though.

>>383939809
>superpowered infant gets angry because another infant cries
>best fanfiction

your taste is so shit that kissing you would be like eating ass

>>383923849
Tiens tournament was my favorite of the Budokais that's why I like him.

All these characters were useful and characters before the saiyan power creep went out of control.

>>383936327
Why does Gohan have so much potential?

>>383939491
>looks a million times better based on mechanics alone

How is MVCi looking better than MVC3 when it's just SFxT all over again? The meta of the game is do combo, switch, do combo, switch, rinse and repeat till the system forces you to finish with a super or otherwise the opponent's state will just reset.

>>383940469
Because he was the result of human DNA and saiyan DNA mixing, this has been confirmed and elaborated on many, many times (similar reason to why Trunks and Gotenks kick so much ass so quickly).

What fucking reason does Caulifla have?

>>383940469
Because he actually trained and honed his Saiyan prowess, was pushed beyond his limits, and actually has a reason driving him (protecting the Earth.)

>>383940093
>A "regular" super saiyan was already the stuff from the legends
No, that's wrong. Trunks literally wiped that clean not even 1 chapter after Goku defeated Frieza. And 3 years later Vegeta is a legend too.
>m-muh once every thousands of years a super siayan appears
>within 10 year-span there's 5 of them
Broly fixed that by making him the true legend, which is why Vegeta was so afraid of him, because everything he ever learned about the horrors of the legendayr super saiyan were coming true.

Toei was just fixing Toriyama's shitty writing. You don't make someone a legend and that cast the lore aside and bring 4 new legends, which 2 of those became legends because "lol played in the woods! :^)."

>>383940369
>superpowered infant gets angry because another infant cries
He wasn't getting angry, he was getting irritated. He didn't get mad until Frieza blew up planet Vegeta. Come up with an argument after you watched the movie.

>>383940768
That's why he's so good, not why he has so much potential. Which is pretty much the reason Cabba managed to reach SSJ (defense force, tons of danger and fighting all the time, had a huge reason driving him).

His potential is so much higher because he's part human.

>>383940417
Except Yamcha, who started jobbing to show someone else as powerful six months into the manga's run. It happened so frequently that everyone forgot he was actually competent at one point.

>>383940369
>i didn't watch the movie
Broly and GT always get generalized so much. I can understand because GT didn't look good and it didn't know whether it wanted action or adventure. But the first Broly movie was one of the best DBZ movies we got, and he's literally the only movie villain with a backstory.

>>383921290
No, fuck you.

Stream is pretty cool but I wish they had revealed a new character at least for EVO to play.

Havig 6 characters for 3v3 is grating after a while.

>>383940898
You don't "fix" shitty writing by adding more shit on top of it. All Broly did was further devalue Goku's achievement on namek.

>>383940898
>Toei was just fixing Toriyama's shitty writing.
>Fixing a pile of feces by adding manure to make it smell less

No, Broly was shit addition and never should have happened.

>>383941906
>All Broly did was further devalue Goku's achievement on namek.
Yes, but it also revived the lore of the Super Saiyan being a legendary transformation.

>Devalue a form and destroy lore
vs
>Devalue a form, expand lore, and add a new form

Goku's achievement was already devalued the instant Trunks came and sliced up Frieza like paper mache, and Goten and Trunks made Super Saiyan a literal joke. Not to mention Caulfila now too. Broly at least redeemed the lore.

>>383942140
>has no argument
I accept your concession.

>>383942251
>I accept your concession.

Don't steal my thing.

>>383942173
No one even had any fucking idea of what a Super Saiyan looked like. No Saiyan was nearly as strong as Goku. Hell, Vegeta in the Saiyan saga was pretty much your top level Saiyan.

>Goku has Warp Kamehameha

YASH

>>383942425
>your thing
people have been posting that on somethingawful since before 4chan existed. you didn't invent it.

>>383942497
What exactly is your point here?

>>383942173
>Yes, but it also revived the lore of the Super Saiyan being a legendary transformation.

It was terrible lore - "the chosen one" is a copout used by terrible writers to handwave personal development.

Goku's achievement wasn't devalued in the slightest by Trunks, who had an entire special showing exactly what it took for him to achieve it, and Tori already knew Trunk's backstory from the moment he entered on panel (which is pretty rare foresight from Tori actually).

Goten and Trunks turning SSJ so fast was a mistake and should have been saved for after Buu destroyed everyone. Caulifla is the fucking worst and just absolutely irredeemable. Broly is just as bad, only trying to retcon already poor lore back into existence.

>>383942651
Yeah and they got it from me fag. Say fucking thank you.

>>383942746
>who had an entire special showing exactly what it took for him to achieve it

That was filler. In the manga he was already SSJ when Gohan died.

>>383942173
>destroy lore
Broly destroyed the lore, everyone becoming super saiyans just cheapened it massively. The latter is the lesser of two evils.

This game looks a lot slower and less crazier than it did when they revealed it for the first time. It doesn't help all those characters look like they play pretty much the same either.

>>383942763
okay, what's the UUID of the post where you coined that phrase? Link me to the SA archives

>>383942904
After everyone he knew and loved EXCEPT Gohan had already died.

He went through a lot more pain and suffering than Goku did to become a Super Saiyan.

>>383943139
>After everyone he knew and loved EXCEPT Gohan had already died.

He was a baby when everyone died.

>>383943118
kek you didn't even get it from SA, you got it from when I brought it here because you're a fucking underage b& trying to emulate the older coolkids around here

I accept your concession.

>>383943118
You know how I know you're from gaia?

I can see your post, but all it says is "I'M A GIGANTIC FAGGOT" over and over again

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>>383943243

>>383936942

After krillin dies, DB becomes DBZ-lite.

You are aware of this now, yes? Thank you.

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>>383943290
>User was automatically filtered for posting a banned word or phrase

>>383943226
>He was a baby when everyone died.
Nah, he was a baby when Goku died and a toddler when Vegeta died.

He actually knew all the rest of the Z-Fighters, especially Krillin.

>>383920070

Any fusion or filler movie shit better be left out, but other than that I'm down with most of the characters on there.

>>383943026
It looks exactly the fucking same.

>>383942746
>"the chosen one" is a copout used by terrible writers to handwave personal development.
Which was literally supposed to be Goku on Namek, it is Gohan via his potential, and DBS anime Trunks practically with his fucking false-godsword. Everyone going super saiyan made it so super saiyan wasn't special anymore. The legend wasn't true, it was just a form that anyone could obtain.
And it's not just about a specific form, it's the fact that Broly is the only Super Saiyan that acts like a Saiyan. He doesn't care about life and he's a merciless killing machine, he's the truest Super Saiyan. The purpose of the movie was to showcase what the legend referred to. The Z-fighters are normal Super siayans with a pure heart, Broly is an actual Super SAIYAN.

That's what I got out of it.

>>383943412

He wasn't even born when Goku died, and all of the adult warriors were killed when the Artificial Humans hit the scene, which happened when he was only six months old. The only character who was able to escape the battle was Gohan.

Trunks had no recollection of Piccolo, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, etc. until he met them in the past.

Bros, seriously, how do we stop this Dragon balls game? People are really anticipating it and i am worried ill have no one to play Marvel Vs Capcom: Infinite with!

>>383943891
Make sure you go into every thread and shitpost about the roster.

>>383943703
>it's the fact that Broly is the only Super Saiyan that acts like a Saiyan
This is something that people to to not realize. LSSJ is just a buff and stronger version of SSJ. The green hair is actually his aura and the mind control device, in the sequel(what ruined his character) it's confirmed that his hair is actually yellow, not green. While yes he is the 1 special saiyan(which the lore stated, you can't get mad at Toei for reinforcing Toriyama's original idea), he's supposed to be a true Saiyan in the sense that he's hungry for battle and is even more ruthless than Vegeta originally was.

He's really no different from an evil Gohan:
>Maximum potential
>mary sue form/potential unlock
>sadistic as fuck when he's in his true form
>jobber

I always noticed that the people who constantly hate on him didn't actually pay attention to his character or why he was mad in the first place. Because the movie makes it clear that Goku wasn't his source of anger.

Reminder:

There are people in this thread that actually want Super Buu over Kid Buu.

24 characters that are diverse in playstyle and appearance. That's all I'm asking for arcsys. I've been disappointed too many times and I'm not sure if can take anymore.

>>383944601
super buu is better than kid buu

>>383943703
All you're saying is "this writing being terrible means this other terrible writing is actually ok".

That's not how it works. Shitty writing doesn't become good because other writing is just as shitty or more shitty. Goku attained SSJ through a FUCK TON of training/fighting, and then the death of a loved one which triggered a wave of emotions that allowed him to tap into more energy, much like when we get an adrenaline rush - that was natural and overall good plot development.

Tori trying to shove in "Legendary SSJ" was shit writing that only cheapened Goku's efforts. But just because that wasn't good writing, doesn't make Broly any better. It did the exact same thing in trying to create a "legendary super saiyan", except without any of the development. Broly was literally just a spectacle piece.

>And it's not just about a specific form, it's the fact that Broly is the only Super Saiyan that acts like a Saiyan. He doesn't care about life and he's a merciless killing machine, he's the truest Super Saiyan. The purpose of the movie was to showcase what the legend referred to.

Yeah, that's not right either. Frieza originally noted that the Saiyan's are a fighting race but that they are rather intelligent, hence wanting to get rid of them. Broly being mindless muscle doesn't mesh with ANY of the depictions we've ever had of Saiyan's outside of those not in control of their Ozaru forms.

>The Z-fighters are normal Super siayans with a pure heart, Broly is an actual Super SAIYAN.
That's not right either.

Goku's literally brain damaged, and that's the reason why he's not out for death everyday, just fights. Gohan/Trunks/Goten are all half-human, and Kaioshin explained that human dna and saiyan dna help to calm down the Saiyan's natural tendency towards destruction. Vegeta tried to blow up the fucking planet, and was proven as not pure of heart when he went Majin. Bardock, Raditz, and Nappa are all also bloodthirsty as well but not mindless in the least.

>>383944601
Super Buu has human extinction attack which would be an amazing ultimate, and Kid buu would be small and have an annoying hitbox. What does kid buu have that super buu doesn't?

>>383944601

Aside from how ridiculously timeconsuming it is for ASW to make a character there's no reason not to have all three.

Kid Boo would be insane with his speed and Super Boo could utilize his different absorptions as inserts.

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>>383919912
>mfw no one from Super gets in

>>383945037
yeah we get it cell
you're still mad that you didn't get into super

People who think that after DLC and updates this game won't have a big roster are delusional.

By the end of its lifespan expect all three Buus, Majin Vegeta, SSB Goku, a shitload of Super and movie characters characters, etc.

>>383944161
What was the real source of his anger then?

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>>383944970
Instant transmission

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>>383945202
>Majin vegeta
>SSB Goku

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This is the only thing I don't like about the game.

For whatever reason they've given Goku a gi with his kanji on it, even though they're emulating sprites by only rendering animations from one direction which means half the time it's on the wrong side. And even worse, they've rendered it so it's on the wrong side when he's on the P1 side. They did this even though Goku's most often used gi has no kanji and is perfectly symmetrical.

Why the fuck.

>>383945635
>>Majin vegeta

If you don't think they're going to include Vegeta's most popular form you're out of your mind.

>>SSB Goku

If you don't think they're going to include the hot new transformation you're out of your mind.

>>383944893
>Goku attained SSJ through a FUCK TON of training/fighting, and then the death of a loved one which triggered a wave of emotions that allowed him to tap into more energy, much like when we get an adrenaline rush - that was natural and overall good plot development.
He didn't train towards SSJ, so that doesn't count. He only got it because Krillin died, it had little do do with him training himself to his limits in order to achieve it. SSJ2-3 are what qualify as fucktons of training.
However that doesn't negate the fact that Super Saiyan isn't special.

>only cheapened Goku's efforts
Just like Vegeta, Goten, and Trunks. Also Gohan only trained for SSJ, he didn't suffer a loss to obtain it. Goku, Future Gohan, and Future Trunks are the only characters who arguably had to suffer for Super Saiyan. Vegeta and Gohan trained for it, and Goten and Trunks just got it because (laughs).

>Broly being mindless muscle
He isn't mindless muscle. Have you seen the first movie? He was mindcontrolled in his base form and SSJ form, the only time he was his actual self was when he was LSSJ, and saying that Goku will be the first blood sacrifice and calling himself a demon pretty much proves he wasn't retarded, he was just edgy.
>that's not right either.
It is right because the movie focuses on the fact that Broly is the legend and he's the only true Saiyan that has a Super Saiyan form. Vegeta become light-hearted when he reached Earth. Broly is essentially Saiyan Saga Vegeta as a Super Saiyan, but more ruthless.

>last lines
None of this goes against the fact that Broly is the only SSJ with a Saiyan mindset. Goku is pure-hearted, the kids are docile, and Vegeta is only edgy when he wants to be. Broly is the only SSJ that has always acted like an actual Saiyan and never changed. Bardock, Raditz, and Nappa just weren't pushed enough to obtain SSJ, or they just weren't a 1/1000 year legend.

>>383930420
You people are the most annoying idiots when it comes to rosters.
>franchise with huge variety of fighters to choose from, each with unique designs and special moves
>lol I want 2 Goku's
Fuck off

>>383945901
>he believes that arc sys will put clones in a fighting game with 12 characters at max

they didnt even bothered to put base goku or vegeta, why would they put this shit in

>>383945373
If anything it was King Vegeta and his own father. Do note that Broly wasn't actually mad in the movie.

Goku cried next to him for hours on end, and then he was stabbed during the same time. Then his father mind controls him for his entire life. If he even heard Goku's voice, do you think that would not remind him of the worst moment of his life? Goku is Broly's trigger, and LSSJ is his venting process. That's why LSSJ Broly did not care about Goku more than he did Gohan or Trunks, and that's why LSSJ Broly was laughing the entire fight. He was never mad as an adult, it was just his surpressed thoughts and feelings causing him to fuck out and spaz.

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>>383945901
I'm pretty sure Goku is just wearing his BoG uniform.

>>383946083
>He doesn't think there will be DLC and updated versions

The roster is going to start small but if the game is successful there is going to be add-on characters out the fucking ass. And yes, different forms of characters will be part of that.

This isn't just Arc Sys, this is Arc Sys with Bamco money and a huge IP backing it. There is an expectation for it to promote and further the brand. That means Super shit WILL be in it, and that means SSB Goku, who is the main form of Goku nowadays, will be in it.

>>383946035
You're the type that wants:
>Yamcha even though he only has 2 unique moves.
>Android 17 even though he has 1 unique move and is literally just genderbent 18.
>Bulma with a mech even though the producer said they are following a character's main fighting style and taking that account into how they fight in the game
>And Satan just because "mandatory joke character."

Fuck off, Kid Goku is a better choice than most of the DBZ and DBS cast.

>>383945901
>If you don't think they're going to include Vegeta's most popular form you're out of your mind.
There's a higher chance they add Mystic Gohan and Kid Goku before they add Majin Vegeta.

He's literally SSJ2 Vegeta but the Shadow the Edgehog version.
His moves are cool as fuck, but I doubt he's getting in over anyone more important.

>>383945960
Goku told gohan to imagine his friends and family dying in the Room of Spirit in time my friend, so things are not quite as you claim.

Other than that cant really retort, i agree

>>383931340
He has no fucking moves.

>>383945960
>Bardock, Raditz, and Nappa just weren't pushed enough to obtain SSJ

Bardock DID go Super Saiyan though...

>>383919912
About a month ago, where were you, OP?

>>383946932

>he actually believes that Bardock traveled through time instead of being vaporized

He died having visions of his son go Super Saiyan and beat frieza anon.

>>383928824
Nope

>>383946741
>There's a higher chance they add Mystic Gohan and Kid Goku before they add Majin Vegeta.

Odds are all three will be in there. Keep in mind I'm not talking about launch. I'm talking about DLC and subsequent releases.

>He's literally SSJ2 Vegeta but the Shadow the Edgehog version.

And SSJ2 Vegeta isn't currently in the game. In fact, despite the game pulling almost every animation directly from the manga or anime Vegeta has no animations from the Buu saga. His skin is from the Cell saga and all of his moves and animations are from the Cell saga or earlier.

So where is all of the Buu saga stuff for Vegeta? None of his moves or poses from that era are in the game. There's only one reasonable explanation, and it's that ASW is setting that material aside for use elsewhere.

I'm planting a flag and calling it now: Majin Vegeta will show up at some point. Maybe not at launch, but as DLC or part of Super FighterZ for sure.

>>383947170
As stupid as the special was, it was still fun to watch, and Bardock's rush on Chilled was without a doubt top 5 in DBZ. Also Masked Bardock from XV/Heroes has a pretty cool plot for a cash grab. The ending to XV2 with Bardock was great for fanfic, it was so cool. However the original story of him dying was great as well.

>>383947342
Buu saga Vegeta has a great moveset. Majin has a decent deal of potential. But balancing and whatnot might come into play.

>>383947356
Oh i still have fun with even the worst db has to offer but i tend to write off blatant money making schemes

Prolonging the bardock story was one such scheme

Just give me Hercule and I'll be happy

>>383947489

In a 3v3 game the balance of individual characters isn't as important, they need to balance teams and introduce new characters to disrupt the most overused combinations. And once you get past the big boys the pool of characters in the franchise isn't THAT deep.

If they need to add more characters who's more likely to show up, Jheese or Majin Vegeta?

>>383947727
>they need to balance teams and introduce new characters to disrupt the most overused combinations
Yeah I forgot about this. A new assist can easily change the meta completely.

What would Majin Vegeta's assist be?
>Ki rings
>Suicide explosion
>Dive kick

>>383947727
Literally any character that isn't just another character with an M on his forehead.

>>383948225
>Suicide explosion
These moves could finally be viable in this kind of game, I'd dig it.

>>383921789
Yajirobe should be high tier

>>383948225

I think the ki rings are most likely.

I could also see him having self-destruct as a Lvl 7 instant kill. It would actually work in a 3v3.

>>383948336

You're an idiot. You only care about what a character looks like rather than how they play.

Cell looks great.

>>383933874
It's called Dragon ball fighterz

>>383948634
Yeah, the cell shading is perfect on him.

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>this game wont have dragon ball z characters in it since its named dragon ball gt final bout not dragon ball z final bout

honestly i doubt their will be many super characters but im 90% sure we will get goku black and beerus

>>383934120
You people are literally asking to be blown the fuck out every day it's gonna be fucking embarrassing when they announce multiple super characters. I don't give a fuck but calm down if you don't want to look like a retard in a couple months

>>383919912
Summer isn't real, they said

>>383949569
Beerus is a Z character.

>>383935831

to be fair i think trunks went ultra ssj2 to bait vegeta in their training fight in super

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0XAxQVAXyM

see how he goes from ssj2 to the buff form

>>383949569
black is stupid
its
>what if goku was evil and had pink hair

>>383946550
mr. satan is one of the strongest characters in DBZ. he's meant to look like a regular human, but buu flicked him, which would have instantly gibbed him if he was a human, but he's clearly something more.

>>383933769
Golden Frieza, Black, and Beerus are all from Super. Stop deluding yourself. Movies. Are not. Canon.

>>383949569
Why Goku black and not Zamasu

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king chappa when?

>>383950063
There. Is. No. Such. Thing. As. Canon.

>>383950063
BoG and RoF came out way before super
super just rehashed the movies

>>383950092
There are so many cool Dragonball characters, yet some shits like Cui and Appule get in just because they are from Z.

>>383950251
Except that Super started a month before Resurrection F came out.

>>383950079

id like for zamasu to get in but hes generally not as popular as black so he's less likely to get in

if they did zamasu which one would you want? normal or merged?

>>383950063
>Golden Frieza, Black, and Beerus are all from Super.
Wrong.

>>383950885

what movie is black from?

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>>383950323
yeah back then it was self aware

>>383950634
That is extremely wrong.

>>383951085
Movies aren't canon, and they never will be

>>383950018
What unique moves does android 18 have? or Tien?

>>383951085
>>383949569


gt final bout is almost all z characters, iirc the only gt character is kid goku (gt version)

really we wont know till its revealed, but to say its impossible based solely on the name is ridiculous.

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>>383922385
>Yajirobe
>Waste of dev time
Good to know you didn't read Dragon Ball.

>>383951085
If Golden Freiza is DBZ canon, so is Beerus and those awful powerup forms from the movies.

Fuck, why couldn't they have just stuck to the manga.

>>383950976
RoF extended edition.

>>383951478

at most you could say he's implied in that movie since it shows future trunks, however black isnt mentioned or even shown

>>383951145
>The Tenkaichi Budokai stage doesn't have the announcer

Shit game 0/10

>>383933874
>>383933769
FighterZ, you troglodytes.
How the fuck does a play on words go over your heads so easily? I can't wait to see supposed non-Z characters get in, it'll be a shitstorm worth seeing.

>>383919912
Man Wolf WHEN, baby???

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>>383951635
>however black isnt mentioned or even shown

>>383952246
Superfags BTFO

>>383952246

touché, maybe my memory fails me but i only recall the scene with future trunks looking at the book and the scene with goku fighting frieza on namek being added.

>>383952246
Fuck off, Black is basically a Super character because everything he does is from Super.

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NO BARDOCK NO BUY

>>383952246


desu if you're going to say golden frieza isnt a super character since he aired in the z movie first then black isnt a z movie character since he aired in super first :^)

>>383952246
>character makes a cameo in a special edition of movie with no explanation of who he is or what he's doing
>character's full story is told in series
>"character is from movie"
DBZ only fans are seriously this deluded.

>>383952246


i guess that means black is eligible for db fighter z

>>383952646
Touché

>>383952646

goku isnt a z character since he aired in og dragon ball first

goku shouldnt be in the game

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>still no Hunter x Hunter fighting game, yet DB has 100s of games even though Dragon Ball is an infinitely worse franchise

It's not fucking fair

>>383952994
DB is fine. Super is not.

>>383953006
Legit was just talking about this with a friend.
Arcsys hxh fg would be the shit.
Also
>No new arcsys jojo fighter with characters from every arc
>why even live

>>383953006
You would have to utilize Nen correctly, and it's already too complex and detailed from the start. Dragon Ball isn't keeping HxH from getting any games, HxH is doing that by being HxH. Besides, a proper game would be a Greed Island-like MMORPG or adventure title.

>>383946035
Yeah let's add more Z characters that just shoot the same blasts as every other character already in. It's about variety in movesets, and Kid Goku with a nimbus and pole would be justified, imo.

>>383953187

desu a jojo fighter would cool af but it could just become a clusterfuck of powers

>oh no i am now a snail.
>oh no now i cant see attacks coming from the left side
>oh no i crouched and now i'm melting

>>383953485
>just shoot the same blasts as every other character already in
>Different fighting styles
>Unique ki-based techniques
>Actually popular and fan favorites

NO CAULIFLA NO BUY

>>383951192
You're the kind of faggot that thinks Gogeta is a GT character, aren't you?

>>383953485
>every z character is a beam spammer
Nice meme.

>>383953564
They already did it with heritage to the future