Zelda: Breath of the Wild Master Mode is horrible

>>383915609
I literally just started playing it for the first time on master mode. The beginning was tedious but after actually getting a few weapons it's a little better.

My biggest complaint is the health regeneration. It literally begins after maybe 3 seconds of no damage taken. Some enemies like yiga or lizardfos can kite you or outright disappear, leaving their health to start up again and by the time you can draw an arrow to fire or they reappear, they've regened 1/4th of their health. You can't play defensively at all or do anything cool if it's not an instant kill because they will just regenerate. You may as well never use aoe attacks like the tnt barrels or bombs unless they'll fly off the cliff.

>>383915609
>You are basically fighting high level monsters with starting weapons, because the developers didn't scale the weapons that the enemies used.
You're supposed to git gud and use everything at your disposal. Cook attack+ food. Knock people off cliffs.

>Also, it is not really hard, they didn't change the AI at all.
You're retarded and don't know shit about BotW. Each progressively higher rank of enemy has better AI. Hard Mode is a comprehensive AI upgrade because it's a comprehensive rank upgrade

Exactly, the enemy health gen really kills any creative way to play, because you can't really set traps multiple times, since they will regenerate their health.

You'll endup running from them, avoiding battles, or doing stealth kills. Or you'll cheese the game by throwing they into the rivers or from the mountains.

Lizalfos are the worse, they can completely regenerate their health if they start to swim.

>Tfw memorized where all the Major Test of Strength shrines are for god tier Guardian weapons
>Tfw starting a fire underneath the Guardian Scouts and watch them slowly burn as they become stuck in place
>After enough waiting, have a healthy supply of good weapons and shields

Likewise, you can just use electric weapons (or just use electric chu jelly) to make enemies drop their shit.

Must suck being retarded. Use some ingenuity, OP. In other words, git gud. That's literally the point of MASTER Mode.

>>383915609
>Nintendo releases bad DLC

WHAAAA NOT NINTENDOSAN!

>>383917037
Throwing enemies off cliffs isn't cheesing. Avoiding battles and emphasizing stealth is good and increases the amount of care and thought that goes into your exploration and choice making.

Literally git gud anon. The beginning is supposed to be punishing. Upgrade the master sword. It makes a big difference.

>>383917384
People are whiny babies who don't appreciate decent game design.

The only issue with Master Mode is how unfair Room 10 of the Basic Sword Trials is. You -literally- have to abuse broken AI to spam sneak strikes.

>>383917202
>"git gud"

I stopped to read there, drone. I just died 2/3 times and already beat the Rito dungeon.

The DLC is not hard at all, it is just frustrating with damage sponges and no incentive to kill the mobs. You'll just end up losing all your weapons/time for a shit chest.

>>383915609
I'm having the opposite experience; it's too bloody easy. Enemies still die to the same strats, you just have to use your best weapons and high-damage tactics more often.

I've got a stack of Bomb Arrows, a Crusher, and a bow from the GP Lynel every Blood Moon, and they just tear through everything. I'm also getting plenty of powerful weapons from the floating sky chests.

>>383915609
>Nintendo shits
>Nintenbros eat
Why are you surprised, OP?

>>383917396
>"git gud"
>avoid battles and kill enemies while they are sleeping

>>383917519
>I stopped to read there
Well then you're hopeless and should probably give up. I don't care if you beat the fucking Rito dungeon. You're bad at the game if you think Master Mode is badly balanced or designed. End of story.

>not hard at all, it is just frustrating
The rallying cry of the casual in denial.

>>383917619
But there's way more to it than that, and that's why you're a shitter who needs to shut the fuck up and obtain proficiency.

>>383917567
I've never said it is hard.

It is frustrating with spending all your weapons on monster or simply not fighting them at all.

Or cheesing the game, of course.

>>383917384
In other words, you gotta grind weapons because the durability system is shit. Got it.

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>>383917826
Or you could obtain proficiency and not waste all your weapons on one monster. Or you could grow a brain and appreciate the deliberate design choices at play that are pushing you towards not attacking every enemy camp you see every fucking time. Y'know, to make post apocalyptic Hyrule feel a little more threatening?

>>383917616
So true. I'm talking about the game design and the drones come talking about "git gud" and that it is easy.

Holy shit.

If anything, this DLC makes it obvious how shit the Weapon break system is.

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>>383917964
Because the game design works well if you aren't shit at the game.

Get the fuck out of here anon. You're just looking for a bunch of hugs and confirmation of your opinions.

>>383917937
That guy is basically saying the same thing as I said in the original post. lol

But he thinks that grind is good design.

>Struggling with a Nintendo game, let alone Zelda

For a board that goes on about how casuals are ruining gaming, I'm surprised to see people bitching this much.

>>383918068
It doesn't.

I can't play the game the way I want to play.

It is not hard to cheese the game. The weapons don't last.

Throw enemies on water or from mountain by throwing a piece of meat on the edge of it and blowing with a Korok leaf is BORING.

I wanted a difficult game, not a broken one.

Besides, forget about blowing them up or rolling boulders on them, because they will regen their health in seconds.

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>>383918178
>B-BUT I'M N-N-NOT S-STRUGGLING
>IT'S J-JUST FRUSTRATING AND B-B-BAD D-DESIGN.

>>383918352
I'm not, I just beat the Rito dungeon with 4 hearts and Hylian set.

>>383918178
Friendly reminder Nintendo released the last truly difficult mainstream game in 2003

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>>383918349
>I can't play the game the way I want to play.
That's your own fucking problem. You're an entitled baby bitch boy who can't grow up and play the game the way the devs want.

> they will regen their health in seconds.
If only you had an infinite supply of magic remote detonation bombs and a massive quiver full of magical arrows. If only.

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Then stop playing Master Mode, OP.

>>383918472
If you were good enough at the game, you wouldn't be frustrated. Also, Rito is literally the baby town area and the easiest quest/dungeon. So you're only undermining yourself by bragging about it.

Call me when you can beat Sword Trials on Master Mode.

Just walk past the enemies

>>383918503
>Play how you want to play
>You can't play how you want to play

The weapon durability system is the main problem, all it needed is a unbreakable 5-10 strenght weapon to make it good.

The weapon durability system became a obvious problem with this DLC.

Bombs almost do no damage and take a while to recharge.

You need a lot of money to buy enough arrows;

>>383918178
>>383918352
there's a difference between complaining about difficulty and complaining about artificial difficulty
not talking specifically about zelda because i haven't even played that, but damage sponges in general are not fun, i agree with op on that

>>383918573
Yes, I stopped, it is just to boring.

The main game is too easy, the DLC is unbalaced.

>>383918656
Exactly, that's the problem.

>>383918178
You are the casual one, that can't distinguish a artificial difficult from an good one.

>>383916357
Exactly that.

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>>383918819
>artificial difficulty

>>383915609
The only thing that made it bad was the HP Regen... well that's not true. The fact they added no new enemies and the only "replacements" are just floating platforms with an archer and a Lynel at the beginning.

It is a bad DLC, not because of difficulty, but because of laziness. And they obviously didn't balance Master Trials with Master Mode in mind. It's a fair and adequate challenge in Normal Mode. In Master Mode it's a combination of luck and exploiting the game's mechanics in ways that make no sense and feel glitchy just to win. (Lizalfos room being forced to exploit stealth attack glitch to constantly stealth attack otherwise they regen too much health and you run out of weapons)

>>38391560

git gud, it is still way too easy

>>383917826
It's frustrating because you don't want to think while you play. "Run up to an enemy and mash the attack button" isn't going to work in Master Mode, you dolt.

The game doesn't want to you to waste 4 weapons on one enemy, it wants you to learn the system so you can be efficient. There are plenty of ways to increase your damage output, and plenty of ways to kill things without weapons.

>>383918937
>Unironically using the term "artificial difficulty"

You're beyond saving, anon.

>>383919171
>"you don't want to think while you play"

Goddammit drones.

The DLC is NOT hard. It is boring. Most of the strategies won't work because of regen health.

>>383919092
ok m8 you can spend ten hours killing an enemy, have fun

>>383918748
>all it needed is a unbreakable 5-10 strenght weapon to make it good.
No, you're just a retard who thinks he knows better than the devs.
>Bombs almost do no damage and take a while to recharge.
It takes roughly three upgraded bombs to kill a blue bokoblin. They do fine damage.
>You need a lot of money to buy enough arrows;
Money is incredibly easy to come by. So again, git gud.

>>383918819
They'e only sponges when you're bad at the game. If you simply obtain proficiency, they won't regenerate almost any HP.

>>383919318
>Most of the strategies won't work because of regen health.
You're a shitter and in denial. Accept the reality. You're BAD at this game. Bad at a fucking Zelda game no less. Pretty embarassing.

>>383919454
>They'e only sponges when you're bad at the game. If you simply obtain proficiency, they won't regenerate almost any HP.
ok well like i said i haven't played it, i'm speaking generally

>>383919182
>I played Dark Souls, so I know everyone else has to just git gud :^)
No faggot, defend stuff like birds in Ninja Gaiden NES, single player Borderlands, and 100% Crash 1 on PSX.

>>383919503
I've never even played a Souls game.

>>383919495
>ok well like i said i haven't played it, i'm speaking generally
Sure. I'm just saying. They regen after a few moments of not being harmed.

A secret the shitters don't play enough to realize is that they aren't always capable of regenerating to full HP. If you knock one down to near death and let it regen, it'll only recover until it's at about 50% of it's total.

>>383919182
(you)

>>383919098
Yes, exactly. Master mode is about exploiting the game, or run away from them.

I read that you need to get the Phantom Clothes so you can fight the enemies without farming weapons.

It could be fixed by having one single unbreakable weapon. But no...

"Anything that explodes" tactic is out of question because of the health regeneration.

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>>383919617
>this one retard who can't cope with HP regen

Literally just peck them with an arrow you whiny shitter.

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>>383915609
Doing the final boss with no divine beasts was one if the most intense things I've done in a while

Good thing I had the Master Sword though because I don't think regular weapons would last long enough to win against Ganon's regeneration

>>383919454
(you)

>>383919563
Okay, what part of that gets rid of the point?

Master Mode changes the game from Dynasty Warriors to Metal Gear Solid. You have to completely change the way you play the game. You kids are an embarrassment.

>>383919617
>I read that you need to get the Phantom Clothes so you can fight the enemies without farming weapons.

I never got the phantom clothes and I had no problem fighting enemies.

>single unbreakable weapon

That defeats the point. Master Mode is all about forcing you to use your entire toolkit instead of brute forcing things with traditional combat.

>>383919874
>entire toolkit
>throw them on the water

>>383919874
>That defeats the point.
The upgraded Master Sword is exactly what he wants, but he's too whiny and shitty and will never be able to earn the upgrades.

With just ONE upgrade to my Master Sword form the Basic Sword Trials which brings it up to 40 damage and probably improves durability, I can deal about 2000 damage before it breaks. That's two gold or silver enemies.

>>383919810
And... how is that good in a Zelda game?

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It's called Master Mode. You must master the game in order to beat it, even if you must resort to exploits to do so. There's nothing that says you can't do that, is there? It's literally meant to test the player's ability.

You don't have to like the mode for whatever subjective reasons you might have against it.

>>383920089
If it suits the style of the game, how is it not?

>>383920041
>I conveniently forgot to tell that the Master Sword is end game.

>>383920126
> if you must resort to exploits to do so

It's ok when Nintendo does it.

>>383920182
It doesn't, stealth is boring.

>>383920210
>I conveniently forgot to tell that the Master Sword is end game.
I got it early on after just a one divine beast. It's not hard to get enough hearts to pick it up. Not to mention, you appear even whinier and more casual when you act like you should have strong tools like this from early on or without earning them.

>>383920210
>It's ok when Nintendo does it.

How isn't it okay? Never seen other games get shat on this hard for players using exploits to beat them.

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It's threads like this that make me legitimately question whether the shit about /v/ hating fun is true. Complaining about tedium actually gets people branded as casuals

>>383920126
Not OP, but I didn't really have much tougher of a time beating it than I did the original game and I didn't even get any divine beasts on my run. All I needed was the Master Sword

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>>383920340
Because it's only tedious if you're bad at the game. Casuals are bad at games.

Get it? Good.

>>383920313
Thank you for your subjective opinion. I look forward to the next anon's nugget of insight that puzzles are boring too.

WE ARE NINTENDO. WE CHALLENGE ALL PLAYERS. YOU CANNOT BEAT US.

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>>383920331
Because it's BotW.

/v/ will jump through hoops to try and find any excuse to attack the game.

>>383917673
God, babby-in-denial, the dictionary definition.

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I've been fucked harder by the Guardians, desu. Not even Lynels have given me this much trouble. Those fucking randomized and delayed lasers are hell incarnate.

>>383918478
Which one was it?

Mario Sunshine?

>>383920571
Ancient Shield. Daruk's Protection. Ancient Arrows to the eye.

You're welcome.

>>383920673
No fucking shit. I just haven't gotten to those yet.

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>>383920420
So if I force you to fight an enemy with 10,000 regenerating HP that barely does any damage and poses no threat to hit you whatsoever, and you get bored after doing about 5,000 damage without taking a hit, that makes you a casual?

That doesn't even mention the fact that the durability system renders most enemies not worth fighting at all

>>383920562
I don't even understand what that fuck is trying to say
but I can taste the mental gymnastics

>>383915609
>think this post was accurate
>remember i got off the plateau
>remember I built terry town asap
>remember buying the barbarian set asap with snowboarding
>remember getting balling weapons from sneaking around the castle all the time
>rem-
my point is, the plateau is harder and requires more think making. but its the same shit after like a few hours

>>383920575
That or F-Zero GX.

Though I'd say Tropical Freeze is pretty fucking hard. Gamespot gave it a bad review because they couldn't handle it. Think about that. Arguably the best 2D platformer EVEr and they were too shitty to play it properly and whined in the review.

Cranky Kong even called them out on twitter.

>>383920571
Shoot the eye, parry the laser, and cut off their legs

>>383920571
OP here, I think they fixed that, I've been parrying their lasers without any problem.

>>383920575
>>383920790

>Mario Sunshine

Any difficulty in that game is derived from bad game design

>>383920742
>That doesn't even mention the fact that the durability system renders most enemies not worth fighting at all
This isn't an RPG. You shouldn't need to be "rewarded" for fighting enemies. Kill them to get them out of your way or to take what's theirs.
>So if I force you to fight an enemy with 10,000 regenerating HP that barely does any damage and poses no threat to hit you whatsoever, and you get bored after doing about 5,000 damage without taking a hit, that makes you a casual?
This is the most disgusting exaggeration I've ever seen in one of these threads.

>>383918478
What game?

>>383920742
Yes, that's what I'm trying to say, You don't need to battle the enemies at all, there is no incentive, specially with sponge enemies.

All you need to do is to stealth steal some of their weapons (the good ones) and continue the game.

There is nothing that involves mastery in doing that.

Master Mode is more like "cheese mode".

>>383920924
>This isn't an RPG. You shouldn't need to be "rewarded" for fighting enemies. Kill them to get them out of your way or to take what's theirs.

But they're not even in your way, you simply run around them

>This is the most disgusting exaggeration I've ever seen in one of these threads.

You can cut those numbers in half without changing the core point. It's not hard, it's boring

>>383921027
So you're agreeing with me?

>>383920790
True, the Wii is pretty good, I haven't played the Wii U one.

But yeah, "Hero mode" from TP and TWW are also bullshit artificial difficult modes too, but it is more bearable, because there isn't much space to break the game.

>>383920571
Parry > sidestep. The laser just misses you.

>>383920859
I agree.

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Why are BotW fans the fucking worst?

>>383920924
>You shouldn't need to be "rewarded" for fighting enemies.
I don't play games for fun.

>>383921098
Yes.

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>>383921325
This happens with just about every mainline Zelda game. The Zelda cycle is real.

>>383915609
>Also, it is not really hard, they didn't change the AI at all.
I don't understand why they only changed the AI with Guardians when they were only difficult to kill, when you didn't understand them at the start
a lot of the monsters needed AI tweaks and the only difference between silver and golden enemies, besides more HP is that they don't get staggered so easy unless you spam spin attacks and the elemental weapons affect them for a lot less time now
it's not really much, but I enjoyed the Trial of the Sword in Master Mode, although I've only done the Beginning and Middle Trials so far, as I'm trying to not get too strong gear as I'm progressing

>>383916357
you just need to get better
I had that problem at the beginning
but there's literally a rune that freezes enemies and allows you to hit them more
you can also slam them onto the ground or stagger them
also if you're finding yourself smacking enemies away and they end up regenerating, you should stop ending your combos
do 3 hits then stop and repeat
otherwise you can just use Stasis
with Yiga Clan, you just shoot them in the face and use stasis on them and hit them about 4 times and they die

>>383915609
I think it's pretty good but mostly because the base game is the best game ever. Been having fun with it with my replay.

>>383921404
>I don't play games for fun
It shows.

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>set traps
>knock enemies off cliffs
>knock enemies into water
>time freeze enemies and headshot them
>use horse combat
>drop heavy metal shit on enemies
>use electric weapons or bait lightning bolts with metal weapons
>use food to boost your attack
>make enemies attack each other
>use cuccos to kill enemies
>parry
I could go on. Complaining about weapon durability is pointless, there's tons of different and more efficient ways to deal with enemies than just running up and smacking them.

>>383921606
>I'm too dumbed to notice irony

>>383921806
>irony

And too dumb to use the term "irony" properly. The word you're looking for is "sarcasm".

>>383921769
You forgot this one:
>Run past them, because there is no reason to fight damage sponge enemies.

>>383921979
noun, plural ironies.
1.
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning:
the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

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>>383922068
Well, I stand corrected. Sorry, anon.

>>383922068
A big guy named Tiny. this is irony.

Saying "How nice!" when replying to your boss when being told to work all weekend is sarcasm, he will never say "oh stop being so ironic"

tard

>>383921769
you forgot about

>freeze enemy
>hit once with strongest weapon, because frozen enemies take 8x damage
>freeze again
>repeat

Ice Arrows, Ice Rods, and Blizzard Rods are all OP.

>>383922445
STOP MAKING ME FUCKING THINK AND SWITCH WEAPONS I WANT TO JUST FUCKING MASH ATTACK WITH SWORD

>>383922445
I do this all the time with mobs. Freeze all of them at once then gradually pick them off one by one using the blizzard rod.

>>383921456
Their hyper armor is Strange, there is something wrong about the combat too, the camera doesn't follow Link's back and stuff.

But anyway...

Also, it appears that they won't release their weapons as easily as it used to be. Not sure if this is one is good or bad, but I will lean to the bad side, because you can't "snatch" their weapon in the middle of the battle, that would make thinks more tolerable.

But that could be just an impression, I'm not sure if they used to drop easily or not, since I last played on the release.

>>383922379
>>383922380
samefag, also:
(you)

>>383922542
>>383922517
There are two ice wizzrobes that always spawn directly at the shrine in Hebra, so farming ice rods is overwhelmingly easy.

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>>383922763
Wrong.

>>383922679
honestly just go with the ice weapon/thunder weapon combo and hit with ice then thunder then ice then thunder until it's dead

>>383922445
>>383922517

OP here, I always use freeze weapons, I stack at the guy from the bowing mini-game.

You are trying too hard to defend this mess of broken DLC. Jesus. that's why everyone call you "drones".

>>383922865
(you)

>>383922763
>>383923101
Samefag. : ^)

>>383922976
OP here, this is not the OP

>>383921145
>I haven't played the Wii U one.
It's WAY better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqHcE6B4OP4

>>383923223
>I'm too dumb to notice that was talking to the same guy.

>>383923245
lol

>>383923329
OP here, go fuck yourself

>>383923329
Oh, I'm well aware it's the same person, I was just being a faggot like you. However, you were too dumb to notice you were talking to two different people earlier, apparently. Kindly go fuck yourself, after you're done with your damage control.

>>383923291
I'll play it in the future anon.

>>383923590
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Fuck this gay thread, I'm posting a Guardian.

Master Mode is pretty shitty aside from the flying platforms, which I wish there was more of. Or at least more new enemy placements.

The HP regen is just no fun allowed.

>>383924158
>tfw every time I see a flying platform I just shoot a single arrow and win
Even if the shit falls in the water I just pull it out with magnesis. What's the point of the platforms of they don't do anything but give you loot?

>>383924158
The flying platforms are too fun, I wish they updated the main game with them.

But it is Nintendo we are talking about.

>>383924005
Thats a fine picture.

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>>383915609
>Hard mode is hard

>>383924559
It is not called hard mode, it is called Master mode.

And it is not hard, just plain boring.

>>383924426
I had some fun with one in the southeast jungle area, where I shot one of the corner balloons while gliding, then when it became a straight vertical wall, I was able to grab a hold and use it as cover against the other archers. That was pretty neat.