Final Fantasy XII: Zodiac Age

>>383850863
Jesus Christ some of these maps are stupidly big, how the fuck did I ever finish this without a fast forward button.

Vaan - Bushi/Knight
Penelo - Red Battlemage/Archer
Basch - Shikari/Foebreaker
Ashe - Black Mage/Monk
Fran - Machinist/White Mage
Balthier - Uhlan/Time Mage

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>>383850863

Let's talk about the Final Fantasy timeline. How do you guys feel about it? Any theories?

Have Vaan as an archer right now and I'm loving it. Gonna make a dedicated support and a meat shield and I'm set.

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Vaan - Uhlan/Archer
Penelo - Shikari/Black Mage
Balthier - Knight/Time Mage
Fran - White mage/Machinist
Basch - Monk/Foebreaker
Ashe - Samurai/Red Mage

I stuck jobs I don't care about on Vaan.

>>383850863
Gil snapper at like %10 health is bullshit. He refuses to die and spams disable and blizzaga.

>>383850863
Reminder that Ashe is a whore and Basch should fuck Fran.

Is unarmed monk shit? I like the idea of Fran clawing at everything.

Planning on using magic this time because of the queue system being gone. How good magic is right now?

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>>383852309

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>>383852634
you want to know the secret to dealing with HP critical boss mobs?

it's very fucking simple once you figure it out so i'm going to spoiler it and you're going to use your own judgement as to whether or not you want to wreck every boss for the next 70 hours of gameplay until you start fighting meaningful shit

are you ready? here it is:

quickening chain them when they're HP crit, it cuts through their defense and is enough to kill them outright unless you get a shit chain, and even then you can just swap party members out and try again

>>383852905
From my extremely limited experience (I'm in the water ways) unarmed is weaker until you get the right licences for them. The staff I got from the village you get the sunstone in gives me 30% evade, so I end up blocking a lot of attacks. I'd stick with the pole for now until I get see what unarmed gets.

>>383852309
>remaster
>background and clutter textures are left unchanged
Fuck squeenix.

>>383852309
>>383853059
Not even memeing, the PS2 version looks better.

>>383852905
fran does fucking backflip kicks once you get her brawler augment, it looks sick as fuck but the animation for it takes longer than normal which is a problem with combos

>>383852905
>tfw no claw/fist weapons

>how are you guys enjoying the remaster so far?

I'm not because I didn't buy it. SE remasters are always shit, and enforced job classes is a downgrade, not an improvement. Some anons might prefer it, but that doesn't justify forcing it on anyone else. You could easily play the original game and impose job-based license challenges on yourself. You don't need a half-assed "enhanced" port to do it for you.

>>383852905
unarmed is strictly worse than using poles for monk, but it's not super terrible to the point where using it is unviable. unarmed damage scales up with your level and is only worth using once you put on an accessory that boosts unarmed damage or obtain the brawler augment.

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>the new secret dungeon/hunts

>>383853518
you wouldn't get the new gear, magic, damage limit, or stats that you would if you had the jobs

i'm not going to argue on this website anymore so i'll just leave off with "you're welcome to have your opinion but things are not as simple as they seem"

>>383853726
>>383853518
I just wish I could play the original version with the spell queue and damage caps removed.

>>383853709
>new secret dungeon

EXPLAIN

>>383853709
rare reaction imagekino

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>>383853709
WHAT?
DID THEY ADD NEW CONTENT TO IT FROM IZJS OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TRIAL MODE

TELL ME RIGHT FUCKING NOW

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>>383853257
They did an emboss pass on some(all?) of the textures to give them the impression they have bump mapping but yeah the textures are the same outside of metallic armor getting specular maps so they reflect light.

>>383853258
In motion the HD version looks a lot more modern thanks to the very prominent ambient occlusion shader they used but the game is a lot darker in dark areas and brighter in bright areas.

At its worst PCSX2 will look bad in screenshots like this one because of the motion blur and improperly upscaled depth of field. But at the HD's worst it will blur entire characters due to the bad depth of field shader they have. I'd go with the motion blur of PCSX2 over the poorly implemented depth of field.

Then there's that absolutely retarded letterbox that takes up half of the screen. Why would they do that? Overall I also think emulated FF12 does look better. Though I am very hopeful that the PC version allows a modder to remove all of the graphical additions so we can have a definitive version of the game.

Fran: Red Mage and Breaker (this set is ridiculously good)
Penelo: Black Mage, and Knight
Vaan: Monk and Shikari
Ashe: Bushi and anything else, but Uhlan works really well for her
Basch: Archer, and anything else. Maybe time mage.
Balthier: White Mage and anything else.

>>383853258
Because the resolution is way smaller and the pictures are cherry picked

>>383850863
so how the fuck do gambits work?

i want van to fucking steal, not steal 50 billion times and not attack

i figure i have this shit set up right, but nope
i feel like i want another layer of autism lines so i can stupidly fine tune shit because i feel like i have to take over if the situation turns because my gambits aren't THAT fucking autistic enough to work right

Breaker/Hunter - Vaan
White Mage/Machinist - Penelo
Samurai/Monk - Basch
Knight/Time Mage - Balthier
Red Mage/Black Mage - Ashe
Archer/Uhlan - Fran

Rate

>>383854227
also how do i trials?
should i wait until i hit a certain point?
i got mad trashed when i tried it at lvl 10

>>383850863
Man, after seeing fran's quickening's again, I really want to make her a monk. At the same time though, burning bow+ardor+oil seems too good to pass up

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>>383854084
>Because the resolution is way smaller
>cherry picked
Really?

Those are full sized 1080p and they aren't cherry picked. They're images some anon took to match up with screenshots I took. And most of the screenshots I took were during scenes that I thought looked good. The developer who did the port are infamous at ruining the art of the source material and for FF12, because of recent backlash, they really didn't try to mess up the game as much as they have done in the past. The game is nearly identical, but slightly worse when you compare the pros and cons.

>>383854227
you cannot set up a proper steal gambit like that
the best you could do is something like this:

>have vaan as your leader
>higher priority gambit: foe with less than 100% HP > attack
>lower priority gambit: foe nearest > steal

that's the best you can get, and you'll have to deal with him interrupting his own steals sometimes.

>>383854227
>>i want van to fucking steal, not steal 50 billion times and not attack

The system always did need some more fine-tuning. Supposedly they were gonna have even more options initially, but scaled back because they were worried players would get overwhelmed.

>>383854267
I wouldn't mix Red Mage with Black or White mage, but the rest looks good to me.

>>383853921
Really goes to show that there's no saving Squeenix.
>XIV has got to be the shittiest most linear MMO in terms equipment, and character stats/classes
>XV was a homoerotic fag adventure with floaty, sluggish gameplay and faggy animations

>>383854392
trials are the super-endgame content for when you have beaten absolutely everything there is to beat in the main game and there's nothing left to kill.

Make it to stage 100 and you're up against the hardest fight in any final fantasy ever which is almost undoubtedly going to be easier than it was in IZJS, since they cant fucking delay your healing spells with their black magic bullshit due to effect limits

>>383854601
>remasters of beloved games are outsourced to the worst people possible
>WoFF exists

>>383854506
What's so good about burning bow?

Is there a good way to configure gambit for Tek like weaver? Is that even worth using?

>>383854592
Apparently Red/Black have great synergy

>>383854741
element stacking.

for example, fran casts fire at a wolf. it does 100 damage. now she casts fire at a wolf, but this time with a flame staff that boosts fire damage. it does 200 damage now. now let's make that wolf weak to fire and we're up to 400. oil increases fire damage even further so it's time- 800 damage. let's throw faith on fran to have her magic damage even higher, and now it's 1000 damage. stacking element shit like this is extremely effective.

tl;dr there are fire arrows and the burning bow boosts fire damage and it'll rape shit weak to fire

>>383854227
I always did steal when hp=100%. If you miss that first chance then you'll have to input manually. If you're facing a group and vaan is just stealing from the others that you arent focusing then just have him tag them with an attack then the other gambits will kick in. I found it best to set up your gambits to rely on conditions you manually create.

>>383854227
Assuming the guy stealing is your leader
>Foe HP 100 % steal

Then for your other party members
>Foe target of the leader attack

>>383855025
Eh, only for Cherry staff I think. Ardor is stronger than Scathe on anything that doesn't resist fire and oil, so it kinda goes to waste.

>>383853881
new content, bro.

There is one new dungeon with a kind of boss trial at the end. It also has some good loot.

>>383853258
In those cherry-picked screenshots it does, but in action it doesn't.

TZA looks absolutely fantastic. It looks like a PS3/360 game running in 1080p with excellent post processing effects. If I didn't know it was a remastered PS2 game beforehand I wouldn't have believed it was.

I know how much this board loves to shit all over remasters/re-releases/enhanced ports/etc and say "THEY RUINED IT!" but TZA is one of those rare instances where they actually did a pretty much flawless job.

>>383853709
You better not be fucking memeing me anon

>>383853881

Zodiac Age is IZJS+, all the content from it and more

>>383850863
Are there any new story boss? New hidden boss? New summon or something?

>>383855372
Refer to>>383854537
You're not getting paid for this, don't ruin threads with shitposts.

>>383855262
Ugh, but I wanted to much to have a pure mage character. Also gamefaqs tells me this is good.

FFXII is violating all these conventional ideas about good job setups

Any consensus on what best job for each character? Just ONE for each character. I play the ps2 one

>>383855303
But is is the Trial Mode or is it a dungeon you find in the world?

Is the remaster worth it? I do want to play it again but I don't really care about the double jobs. Should I just emulate it?

>>383855613
Dungeon in the world.

Trial mode is just selected from the menu.

>>383855372
>FF12 isn't even the best looking PS2 game
>somehow this fanboy thinks it looks like a PS3 game
>when FF13 is a PS3 game that looks infinitely better than TZA
>CHERRY-PICKED
>CHERRY-PICKED
>CHERRY-PICKED
wew lad

>autistic screeching about how the remaster doesn't look exactly like the ps2 game again

Is it the release of FFX/X-2 again?

>>383850863
Why no PC?

>>383855563
then do blm / rdm, it really won't matter. i've played izjs 3 times over and classes never mattered as much as everyone thinks they do.

>>383855590
>Any consensus on what best job for each character

vaan can do magic and melee exceptionally well

the other males are good at hitting things and suck at magic, the females are the inverse

fran is the worst character stat-wise, but is the best choice for a breaker since breaker axes scale off of vitality, which is fran's only saving grace. whatever you do, take a white mage.

Vaan - Monk/Uhlan
Penelo - White Mage/Machinist
Basch - Foebreaker/Knight
Ashe - Black Mage/Bushi
Fran - Red Battlemage/Shikari
Balthier - Archer/Time Battlemage

most certainly not optimal but I am having fun

You stupid fucks i told you countless times that Virtuos chinks ruin every game they touch since they let Vietnamese peasants work on the game.

Never ever trust chinks ever, especially when they give it to rice peasants who working for literally nothing but rice bags.

>>383855694
I want to believe you, but give us some proof anon.

Did the new class system change their appearance?

>>383855812

dead platform

>>383855694
Could you take a screenshot of it? Or give a link to a video of someone who shows it?

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>>383855891
>>383850863

>>383855937
Fucking nope. Biggest disappointment imo.

>>383855821
> i've played izjs 3 times over and classes never mattered as much as everyone thinks they do.

Thanks, that is reassuring.

>>383856060
Not him but, it's like jobs in FFT, you could beat the game with any configuration of jobs

>>383856053
yeah the fact that character appearances never change is one of my least favorite things about this game. I wish more JRPGs took the time to reflect gear on characters appearances instead of just their numbers.

any good spots to grind out LP?

also, how much does battle lore give you for attack boost?

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>>383856429
lhusu mines. go a couple rooms in and there is nothing but skeltals

grab a sandwich, press the L1 button and run in circles.

Do battle lores scale with how much LP they cost

>>383856585
im about level 10, is that soon?
or should i just go with the story for the moment

i played this shit years ago, just looking to crush shit now.

>>383856429
if lores are anything like izjs it's 10-15% damage boost per, stacking additively

>>383856689
no

>>383856849
Stop giving out misinfo.

>>383856429
Battle Lore gives +1 strength. Magick Lore gives +1 magic.

>>383850863
is archer the worst class? I wonder how a Archer/Machinist would be
Also are you capped at 3 swiftness?

>Make Ashe a Bushi
>all these tiles with Magick Lore
Are those tiles tied to the character and not job? This seems pointless.

>>383857147
katana damage scales with both strength and magic strength

>>383857147
Don't Katana's use str and magic?

>>383856218
Sure but some jobs in FFT are clearly easier than others

>>383857261
>>383857287
Oh, well, didn't know that.

>>383857027
Yes you're capped at 3 swiftness. If we're talking about the class on it's own, machinist is probably still worse, but only just.

Vaan - shikari
Panelo - white mage
Fran - monk
Balthier - machinist
Ashe - Bushi
Basch - knight

About to unlock second classes. How do i unfuck myself /v/?

>>383857027
archer gets arrows with a 25% chance of inflicting on-hit death later on

something to consider

>>383857539
>tfw made Balthier Machinist too
Set him to Foe = Highest HP
It makes him less shit but still REALLY shit
I'm gonna run TimeM 2nd and make him a Hastega bot

Is it possible to make Greatswords/Hammers & Axes viable?

>>383857539
you're fine

get a TM and BLM

>>383857497
Go read through the tutorial section in the clan primer. Very few weapons scale on strength alone.

Also, in case you didn't already know, the 3 armor types boost different stats. Generally its:

Heavy: Strength
Mystic: Magic
Light: HP

I really suck at assigning classes/jobs. Can anyone help with a good layout for who should be what?

>>383857027
go for Focus on your archer, get a bunch of potion lores (or Cura), go for Swiftnesses, and get the best bow you can find.

Set gambits like this:

Foe Targeting Self: Attack
Self HP < 100%: Cura/Potion
Foe Party Leader's Target: Attack

Your archer is either putting out crazy damage or he's semi-tanking in a difficult fight. Obviously he'll run out of MP soon but hopefully by then the party has killed whatever is focusing him.

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>>383857713

Hammers and axes are the coolest of the cool, anon

you do want to be cool, right?

Can I stick to my preferred party or should I constantly be switching people around?

Magick Lore affects your actual damage output, not your Magick Strength stat, right? Same thing with Battle Lore?

I think its about time I give a job to Fran, Baltheir, and Basch. I was thinking
Fran/Bushi
Baltheir/???
Basch/Uhlan
I'm not really sure where to go with Baltheir. His gun takes ages to shoot, so I'd like to avoid that. Maybe archer? Is he any faster with a bow?

>>383857539
Give Fran breaker. Monk loves having access to genji gloves and Fran has the highest natural vitality at 99.

Give Balthier some kind of robe class. Dark robes+dark type bullets is a huge damage boost for guns and you can fall back on magick or oil+fire type bullets for undead.

>>383857993
>Muh 0.2 seconds

>>383857868
The way I always play this game is to have three archetypes:

1. Tank (Party Leader)
2. Damage doer (preferably with at least a little bit of healing capability)
3. Healer

And I have two characters for each archetype. Once the character for one role levels up, I immediately swap in the other one so that one never gets much stronger than the other. That keeps the party at a consistent level and I think is the most enjoyable way to play the game.

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>>383857713
>greatswords unviable

>>383857993
It's literally not a big deal
Give him the gun, anon
It just FEELS RIGHT

>>383857713
Individually or on like a Knight/Breaker?

>>383856017
>Fable Anniversary
It literally all makes sense now.

How the FUCK is this company still operating? Fable Anniversary was fucking broken.

There are some easy lv.99 grinding for the original 12. It involved some bat, sleep and mine, forgot name. Does it still work on this game?

>>383858202
Yes

>>383858619
yes

>>383850863
This game looks super boring... is it?

>>383858867
if "offline mmo" doesn't sound appealing to you then leave

How bad an idea is Knight/White Mage?

>>383858867
It plays itself

just beat it

if you guys need any help, just send me a (you).

>>383858867
I find it really fun but you probably won't if you like modern games.

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>>383859025
well knight can get white magic through espers and apparently Hunter/White mage is better
I'm thinking of the same or Time Mage though so go nuts

>>383859157
do you literally have no life or something?

>>383859157
What is the new bosses for this game? New summon?

>>383858867
If you like Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics and Baldur's Gate, then you'll enjoy this game.

Never play the original one. Waiting for delivery to come in 1-2 days. My friend told me this is the greatest FF by far, the GOTY. Should I get my hype up?

>>383859224
No

>>383859248
No. The only new content is modes, difficulty settings, and balance changes. The bosses from international version are in this one.

>>383859308
Hate VS, hate Baldur Gate. FFT was nice. Would I like it?

I wish they would've been able to expand further on the gambit system

I understand why they made it as simple as they did but it would've been nice to be able to do complex conditionals (boolean operators, else, etc).

>>383859157
>beat it
the fuck you did. if you haven't taken the wyrmhero blade into trial mode and cleared it, you didn't beat shit.

>>383859543
Nope.

Stay away.

>>383858867
It is very boring but the sound direction and varied areas make it kinda fun to go through. It's like a shittier version of DQ8 but with combat that's less grating.

>>383859308
Bullshit post. Theme and story wise it's nothing like the other Ivalice games and Baldur's Gate is totally different.

>>383859543
If the only thing you liked about FFT was the music sure. Aside from that if you think FF12 looks boring you're probably right.

>>383859157
Give me grinding trick for lv 99

>>383859189
Basically the clincher for me is how busted is white robe+excalibur vs. Tournesal+genji gloves

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I'm Captain Basch fon Rosenburg of ________

>>383859764
I'm THE Basch

>>383859543
Alright, let me explain.

You control one character in a three-character party. You can pause the game in real time and issue commands, but there is a system that allows you to program the AI of the inactive party members so you don't have to do so much micromanaging. However, the option of issuing commands to everyone is always available. Additionally, in this version, there are jobs/classes to choose from, being able to choose up to two for each character, from a total of 12. VS and XII being made by the same team, you'll find a lot of nods, callbacks, references, and elements, both in the story and the gameplay, taken from Vagrant Story, and it also happens to be a distant prequel to both FFT and VS.

Is it true that Souleater is much stronger in this version?

>>383859764
Don't believe Ondore's lies!

>>383859764
HEY BUCKETHEAD

Are there any technicks that are actually good that you can put in a gambit?

Vaan - Knight/Time Mage
Penelo - ???
Balthier - White Mage/Machinist
Fran - Hunter/Breaker
Basch - Knight/Samurai
Ashe - Black Mage/Red Mage

Thoughts?

>>383860236
Shades of black

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>>383860236
Charge is always good for low MP

>>383860310
Why would they cut that?

>>383860260
I really dislike the BLM/RDM combo. Ardor is functionally stronger than scathe, meaning you're squandering the best black mage spell. On top of that, they share the same armor class. If you want fire potency, just go RDM/Archer and use burning bow.

>>383853059
>>383852309
Zodiac's cutscenes look and sound like a film. The new lighting, camera work, and remastered music exceed the production quality of any other game in the series.

>>383860434
The same reason they cut the save menu. Sony niggers.

>>383860474

How about BLM/Monk?

Van - shikari/foebreaker
Balthier - Machinist/Uhlan
Fran - Archer/Red Mage
Basch - Knight/Samurai
Penelo - Black Mage/Monk
Ashe - White Mage/Time Mage

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>>383860260
is balthier the best FF character?

>>383860732
No, you're thinking of al-cid

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>>383860483
It's how Vagrant Story would look and sound if it was made, or remade, today. You can already see in VS the way cutscenes are directed, the god tier script, you know they'd get amazing VAs like they got for XII to do the job.

>>383860483
0 cents have been added to your account.

>>383860619
Seems much better in terms of options. If you invest all the necessary espers, you have All the best white and black magic, all battle and magic lores, light armor access to buff HP if necessary. The only concern I can think of is both your melee and your spells target mdef, but I'm inclined to think that's not a big deal.

Vaan - Uhlan/Time Mage
Penelo - Archer/Red Mage
Balthier - White Mage/Machinist
Fran - Hunter/Breaker
Basch - Knight/Samurai
Ashe - Black Mage/Monk

Actually thinking I'll go with this now

>>383859649
>It's like a shittier version of DQ8

Its nothing at all like DQ8, or Dragon Quest in general.

Fran - Red Mage/Archer
Ashe - Knight/Time Mage
Penelo - Monk/Black Mage
Balthier - Machinist/White Mage
Basch - Bushi/Ulhan
Vaan - Shikari/Foebreaker

Wish you could keep Basch with his long hair and beard. Would be really fitting as a bushi.

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>>383850863
Convince me to buy this. Never played the original FF12.

>>383860236
Sight Unseeing for when your characters get blinded. Ironically it seems to miss more often than regular attacking.

>>383861102
It's actually pretty similar to DQ8 but okay.

>>383861197
https://youtu.be/FtJE2JpFWwo

>>383856017
>Return to Arkham
I know WB doesn't respect PC, but how they let that abomination release on console with its framerate and visuals is beyond me. Someone intelligent must have been in charge at SE to make this Virtuous's only good port.

I thought the "game plays itself was a meme"
I'm about 5 hours in so the gameplay will probably evolve but so far it's just been "attack closest enemy" and "party member <50%HP -> cure".
Does it really get better ?

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>>383861197

I want to fuck Ashe to the point where she can't walk.

>>383861342
>Virtuous's only good port.
It's not good but close enough I guess.

>>383861471
Can you name any bugs or serious departures from the source material?

>>383861323
In what ways is it similar anon?

In XII, battles and exploration take place in the same map, the game can be paused in real time, you have full control of all characters but can only play as one at a time so there is a system to program inactive characters. The only similarity is that they are turn-based, even if XII doesn't look the part.

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>>383861374
>leaving out Balthier

Awhile back, I saw some autistic fuck posting THE best builds for each character. Could someone tell me what those are?

Also, does the order of the class selection matter at all?

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>No Bangaa, Nu mou, Moogle, or Seeq party members

>>383861648
It matters in the sense that you don't unlock both at the same time.

>>383861351
You know you don't have to use gambits, right? It's completely optional. And no, it's not "balanced around gambits", I've cleared the game more than once without them, the first time just to see if I could. You could also not program your party leader too. But don't come at me saying that it's too much work to do anything else, because you're just defeating your own argument.

>>383861575
Trial Mode not working as intended, ugly awful fonts, cropped FMVs for no reason, DOF messing up cutscenes, gameplay being too dark/bright, FPS dips ever, not even 4k on PS4 Pro, textures still low resolution garbage, some music is done very poorly.

It's not as bad as their usual remasters but it's still not good.

>>383850863
i went with the cannon classes
vaan-bushi
penelo-white mage
bash-knight
ashe-black mage
fran-archer
balthier-machenist

>>383861708
>Furfags and Scalies crying
Loving every laugh.

How the fuck do you beat the bomb king that nigga ran away like 6 times and heals himself to full

>>383861854
>Trial Mode not working as intended
Are you referring to the fact that there is further interactivity between the main game and Trial Mode, allowing you to bring back equipment and experience from it to the main game?

>>383862016
Which breaks the game.

>>383861907
>Cannon
>Vaan not a hunter
>Ashe a BMg when she uses a sword and shield when first met

>>383853059
The eyes are over shaded, they look almost demonic in the new one

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No! No, the power of manufacted Nethicite is the power of man. A weapon forged by his wisdom, who would challenge the gods themselves. A fitting blade for a true Dynast-King. Raithwall did but pretend the title, a cur begging Nethicite scraps from his master's table. Hark, Ivalice hails her new Dynast-King, Vayne Solidor! He shall defy the will of the gods, and see the reigns of history in the hands of man. His time is nigh! The new Ivalice holds no place for the name Dalmasca. The stain of Raithwall's blood shall be washed clean from history's weave.

>Amazon just sent me a code for a pre-order bonus
>Don't remember there being a pre-order bonus
>PSN codes are 12 digits but the code is 16 digits long
I'm confused.

>>383862074
You can alreay break the game with the ridiculous Seitengrate bow which has been confirmed is on TZA, which was most likely a debugging weapon

>>383862080
Haha you're right.
>devs are so amateur they let AO darken eye sockets
MODDERS don't even do this.

>>383859764
IM CAPTAIN BASCH

>>383862075
square even states that she's a black mage in the mobile games/spin offs

>>383861351
I always leave one character with gambits off and control them manually. The game gets harder later on and you'll have to do a lot more than just attack and heal.

>>383862358
I haven't noticed this actually happening yet. It must be in a specific place, assuming it isn't a typical shitpost.

>>383861854
>DOF
Can you provide an example where it's obviously wrong and the object in focus makes no sense?
>music
Which tracks?
>textures
I'll give you that they look gnarly up close. The upscaling could have been done better.
>ugly fonts
Your opinion
>trial mode
An optional new addition breaks the game? Don't use it.
>too dark/bright
Legit sometimes, but most of the new lighting is superior. It's personal preference, but I think the original looked flat by comparison.

>>383862268
I think the preorder bonus was for the original soundtrack music instead of the new shit

>>383862476
Oh, ok then
Could you show me where?
I haven't seen it myself

>>383850863
Vaan: Shikari & Foebreaker
Penelo: Monk & Black Mage
Balthier: Machinist & Uhlan
Fran: Red Battlemage & Archer
Basch: Knight & Bushi
Ashe: Time Battlemage & White Mage

x3 Swiftness for all without going into Esper allotment, and it keeps to their canon aspects (though it's stretching a bit with Panelo).

Vaan - Bushi
Balthier - Machinist
Fran - Archer
Basch - Knight
Ashe - White Mage
Penelo - Black Mage
What do I pick for there second jobs?

>>383862573
I thought that was for the steelbook version, I didn't get that (wasn't listed at the time).

Still can't do anything with a 16 digit code.

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>Kiss my shiny metal ass!

>>383861708
or gira

>>383862539
Look at the pic he replied to.

>>383862148
>cur begging Nethicite scraps from his master's table
How will Raithwall recover?

>not solo'ing the game with vaan

Missing a more fun version

>>383862562
>Your opinion
Let's leave it at this while you suck off a poor job at a remaster.

>>383862708
I dunno, anon. That's the only preorder bonus I see listed from them. The steelbook might have been limited but the dlc soundtrack was probably for all versions. I'd email amazon about it. They are usually pretty quick and get it fixed.

unless its fucking dragon quest builders, then they will tell you to fuck off because apparently you didnt preorder it to qualify for the codes even though you did

>>383863073
The one where they're in a tomb lit by distant torches?

>>383861803
>I've cleared the game more than once without them

Did you have Active or Wait set?

>>383863073
No shit.

Post OST's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZPJGDoKYkw

>>383863297
Wait, I like me some Infinity Engine RPGs

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>Penelo
Knight/Bushi
>Ashe
Monk/Black Mage
>Vaan
Shikari/Foebreaker
>Basch
Uhlan/Time Mage
>Balthier
Machinist/White Mage
>Fran
Archer/Red Mage

Rate my shitty party

>>383862794
Well who cares about those?

>>383861803
>And no, it's not "balanced around gambits"
It clearly is though

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>>383863639
I do.

>>383860434

Because they were basically trophies before trophies existed.

>>383860310
Why is Vayne a nigger in this

>>383861803
>>383862519
But then it's just X > X then wait

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Anyone have link to prima guide pdf? Sorry I'm kinda broke right now

>>383852608
>I stuck jobs I don't care about on Vaan.

same, exept I made him Uhlan/Time Mage and Penelo Red Mage/Archer. I might occasionally bring out Penelo out.

>>383852608
>>383863996
I swear they gave Vaan the best all around stats because they predicted this.

>>383863906
Isn't that almost every RPG ever made?

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Gambits helped introduce me to programming.

>>383864086
The POV character almost always has the best stats no matter how little sense that makes.

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>>383861374
Ashe's ass is way fatter than that micro butt

>>383861351
No, it's not a meme. The whole point of the game is to consider variables, set up a system, and see how well your plan works. Then several factors determine how much you'll need to intervene during combat. So far everyone I've seen has died to bosses or enemies, so it must be challenging enough for the average person.

By the way, you can do more than just cure gambits, but that's up to you. The whole point of IZJS was to encourage this, and it's helping, but you can't force someone to try to be creative.

>>383861014
why not turn Penelo into Time Mage/Red Mage?
She'll be really good as a backup support mage. What use can she get from Archer? Outside the flame bow?

Are there any major differences or is it just a bunch of minor tweaks that don't actually matter?

>>383861339
I have 12 for ps2 and this is really selling me on the game

>>383864589
The ability to pick a second Job is the biggest difference I think

Balthier: Bushi/Knight
Penelo: White Mage/time mage
Ashe: Red Mage/Black Mage
Vaan: Shikari/Foe breaker
Basche: Archer/Ulan
Fran: White Mage/Machinist

Rate my setup, friends. Anything I should change?

Did they ever add in the second half of the planet you were told al cid was from?

>>383862268
I think the code is supposed to be used on the primagames site for a "mini-guide" preorder bonus?

>>383864859
>balthier taking up both bushi and knight
Why would you do this

>>383864913
>the second half of the planet
Rozarria is an empire, about as big as Archadia is, there's more to the world than just these lands.

>>383864948
Huh, weird. The email definitely says to input it on PSN.

Whatever, not wasting my time with that.

>>383864859
The only thing good you did was Vaan. The rest is dog shit. From a dog that ate from Taco Bell.

>>383852309
>>383853059
>that disgusting letterboxing

>>383865086
It's a shitty mini-guide anyways, not worth the trouble of even redeeming it

>>383864971
>highest speed at swords and katanas
He's not doing anything shocking there.

>>383865084
Why did you respond to me in such a way? Yikes.

>>383865086
Confirmed, and it's shit. Literally the first few sections of the guide and that is it. Gamefaqs has more accurate information anyway.

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>>383864913
You mean this?

>>383860310
god damn that really sucks, reminded me of FFT

>>383861197
it's the only "modern" FF that doesn't suck ass

>>383853709
are you memeing? because this would make me buy it right now

>>383854227
If only want a person to do X action Y times or do X action until Z condition is met, you'll have to do it manually.

>>383861374
Can we see Ashe's panty in game through some camera works?

>>383865840
She's technically wearing shorts underneath.

Vaan: Monk/Black Mage
Balthier: Shikari/Foebreaker
Fran: Red Mage/Archer (or machinist instead)
Basch: Uhlan/Time Mage (or archer instead)
Ashe: Knight/Bushi
Penelo: White Mage/Machinist (or time mage instead)

Any thoughts on this setup? I was considering switching Balthier and Basch because I didn't want to give Basch Ultima. I'm pretty set on keeping Ashe's jobs even if it isn't optimal.

>>383850863
I'm enjoying it a lot more now that I'm almost 30. The plot is also much clearer to me that it was 10 years ago.

Balthier: FoeBreaker/shikari
Fran: White Mage/Machinist
Basche: Bushi/Knight
Vaan: Black Mage/Monk
Penelo: Time Mage/white
Ashe: Red Mage/Archer


Can someone rate so I can play the game instead of worrying about my class choices like I have been for the past 2 days please

>>383865371
where is eorzea?

>>383852608
Not all jobs are useful, anon. It's better to leave out some.

the localization for this game is simply amazing

>>383866893
not this guy, but I think it's fun to try to incoporate all of the jobs in some way

the game is easy enough that it doesn't matter that much

>>383866829
The Ivalice in Eorzea was already confirmed not to be the same one, so there's no map issue.

>>383867082
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

PC when? Btw did PS2 got a complete patch or just partial? I am thinking of emulating that

Everyone says Balthier and Fran are the worst at their canon jobs because of their gun and bow animations but they seem to fire at an okay rate for me. Did they fix them for TZA or am I crazy?

>>383867568

You have to understand that when they say that, they're being hyper autistic about efficiency. For example, Fran loses one attack every fifteen shots due to animations.

>>383867568
they have special animations that make them take ever so slightly longer to attack with Guns/Bows. It's really who cares but autists prove in long fights it can matter I guess

>>383867568

Attack speeds only really matter for max combo chains where you're doing a bunch of melee attacks in a row. In that case it can add up to a decent amount of time spent.

But it doesn't really matter if Balthier takes .1 second longer to fire a gun since those are all single attacks.

so, breaking the game and shit, how many chains do i need for dustias to drop shit for me to sell for more phoenix downs? doing this shit from lvl 1

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>>383866787
Just play the game, nigga. You don't have to worry about it so much, everything will work in the end.
Put your favorite classes on those you want to see most is what I would do, or even try and go for canon classes.

>>383867897
>But it doesn't really matter if Balthier takes .1 second longer to fire a gun since those are all single attacks.
But it's .2 seconds

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>tfw the in-game cutscenes look better than the FMVs now

>>383868609
Unless Vaan is involved. His FMV model is still miles better because it doesn't try to use obviously flat textures to convey 3d.

Anyone know where to download the guide book pdf?

What do you guys think of:

Vaan | Knight/Bushi
Ashe | Black Mage/Red Battle Mage
Balthier | Uhlan/Machinist
Penelo | White Mage/Time Mage
Basch | Shikari/Foebreaker
Fran | Monk/Archer

>>383869386
make penelo an unarmed monk

>>383855372
>It looks like a PS3/360 game running in 1080p with excellent post processing effects. If I didn't know it was a remastered PS2 game beforehand I wouldn't have believed it was.
That's because the base PS2 game, "Final Fantasy XII" has phenomenal graphics, texturing, artwork and style under its architecture. People just thought Vaan's abs looked painted on so they shat on it.

>>383867568
Gun and Bow animations are pretty minor compared to the variability in other weapon animations. The girls have slower melee attacks in general, but sometimes a girl is sanic fast with a particular weapon, and sometimes a guy is really slow with another. Characters also have two animations per weapon, so sometimes one is a lot slower than the other. As another anon said, it becomes more noticeable in long combo chains.

>>383870174
This. His abs stood out because everything else was sorcery at the time. Facial animations were better than many jrpgs made for PS3.

>>383863973
https://e-hentai.org/g/934114/1970fff74f/
Here's the old one

>>383860434
What are you talking about? >>383860310 is from Revenant Wings, isn't it?

That game was good, btw. Like a soft srpg/C&C.

Played this way too much years ago, will probably play it again but imma force everyone to use guns

>>383870959
>hentai.org

umm I aint clickin that shit nigga

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>>383870962
>>>383860310 is from Revenant Wings, isn't it?
No.

>That game was good, btw.
It really isn't.

>>383871078
>he doesn't know it also has video game art/guides

>>383871078
It's legit you normie

>>383861907
Vaan is a canon thief. Its equivalent is Monk.
Penelo is a White Mage.
Basch is a Knight.
Ashe is a Red Mage in FFXII and is clearly canon Time Mage in FFXII:RW. Samurai is also possible in FFXII.
Fran is an Archer.
Balthier is a Machinist.

Your second classes can be whatever you like, but THOSE are the clear canon choices.

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>>383870962
>That game was good, btw.
Go away Toriyama

>>383871326
Shikari seems closer than monk since daggers and he makes a living hunting.

What's a good second job for unarmed monk, foe breaker?

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Does anyone have a link to videos that show all the different weapon animations for each character? I pick my classes on aesthetics.

What would be the best second class if I want to use Vaan with Tournesol? Bushi?

How many party members can you have active at a time in this game? 3?

>>383872026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vny-mXmJEts

Fran: Uhlan/Breaker
Balthier: Machinist/White Mage
Penelo: Red Mage/Bushi
Vaan: Shikari/Monk
Ashe: Knight/Time Mage
Basch: Archer/ Black Mage
wanted to incorporate all jobs into my first run. my best party ended up being Ashe, Fran, Penelo. Can switch out Penelo with Balthier.

I've played XII from a new game 4 times now, and I ALWAYS quit at the exact same place. Is there anything any of you can say to convince me to keep playing?

>>383871148
You sure? Sky Pirate's Den trophies? I guess, but I thought I remembered that from RW. Like Balthier's little sky-skateboard was clearly a class in Revenant Wings.

And yes, the game was a great Nintendo DS srpg. Very simple, quite easy, rather engaging.

>>383872476
https://youtu.be/EBtfGByaGEI?t=78

>>383871551
True enough.

>>383871450
If I knew where my DS and cartridge was, I'd show you the 100+ hours I think I put in it. I really liked it and found it easy but also a few quests surprisingly challenging. You may not like my opinion, but it comes from genuine experience with the game.

Can someone tell me why people think this has the worst soundtrack in the series? The music in this game is utterly gorgeous. It unironically has a better Star Wars score than The Force Awakens did

>>383872546
Must be the Balthier that's throwing me off. The invisible white chocobo makes sense, too.

>>383861708
This always annoyed me. What's the point in making a game set in pre-tactics era Ivalice if your party is all humans anyway?

I just left Raithwall's tomb. My final picks are:

Vaan-Shikari/Foebreaker
Penelo-Black Mage/Monk
Ashe-Time Mage/Knight
Basch-Bushi/Uhlan
Balthier-White Mage/Machinist
Fran-Archer/Red Mage

Did I do good? My main party is usually Ashe, Balthier, Fran.

>>383871195
>>383871228
It's the old guide anyway so it's as useless as tits on a boar. Fuck off.

Quick question before I buy it. Does it have a Japanese audio option?

>>383872860
>Did I do good?
>Vaan-Shikari/Foebreaker
Yes
>Penelo-Black Mage/Monk
Sure
>Ashe-Time Mage/Knight
Yes
>Basch-Bushi/Uhlan
He has better choices but okay
>Balthier-White Mage/Machinist
Unfortunately, yeah
>Fran-Archer/Red Mage
Not as an archer or without breaker

>My main party is usually Ashe, Balthier, Fran.
I mean if you're having fun, then great. But main in terms of this game's mechanics/efficiency in battle, Fran just sucks and Balthier isn't that great outside of heal-support.

>>383873234
yup :)

>>383873254
Thanks anon

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this or X-HD first?

>>383872446
What's the spot?

>>383873331
This. X is shit. The precursor to XIII

>>383873247
I meant Ashe, Basch, Fran. As far as Fran goes, she puts out quite a bit of damage as Archer with how I've spent my LP so far so I can't complain.

>>383870671
FFX had better animations overall funnily enough. RIP Square.

I'm rocking a
Vaan: Bushi/Monk
Penelo: Black Mage/ Shikari
Balthier: Machinist/ White Mage
Fran: Uhlan/ Time Mage
Basch: Knight/ breaker
Ashe: red mage/archer
I am using Vaan, Fran and Ashe. They are KILLING it. I have Fran and Ashe use their bows, and Vaan use his katanas. I am killing everything so nicely. Im at like level 35 with those 3. However, Basch is like lvl 20, and Balthier and Penelo are level 12.
I feel bad that Balthier is that low. But oh well.

Vaan - Monk/Uhlan
Penelo - White Mage/Machinist
Ashe - Bushi/Knight
Basch - Archer/Red Mage
Balthier - Hunter/Breaker
Fran - Black Mage/Time Mage

This is how I plan to ride it out when I get my hands on the game when I get back from vacation, thoughts?

I admit I struggled a bit with Fran and Basch's choices. I felt I needed a Time Mage and Archer in there somewhere.

>>383873821
X is the best Final Fantasy game.

>>383850863
game plays itself: the game

>>383873331
Get X-HD only for playing X-2 first

>>383853257
virtuous did it

>>383854601
>anon is a fucking retard
whoa

>tfw your zodiac is cancer

>>383873331
>X-HD
>HD
don't do this

>>383876567
Whats wrong with the HD version?

I'm at the Sandsea and breezing through everything so far. Does it get harder?

>>383850863
Just started playing, this is what I'm planning on so far:

Vaan: Knight/Red Mage
Balthier: Shikari/Breaker
Basch: Archer/White Mage
Fran: Machinist/Black Mage
Ashe: Bushi/Time Mage
Penelo: Uhlan/Monk

Thoughts?

>>383877536
Everything. Literally.

>>383878536
Great answer. That's a very in-depth post about why the Final Fantasy X remaster sucks.

>>383860707
this is my plan, anything wrong with this?

>>383879109
Basch doesn't gain much from being a samurai, it might be better to give that to Ashe and let Basch take one of the mage Jobs.

>>383852309
wait is the stupid letterbox shit only in cuscenes or the whole game?

I plan on goin

Basch: Knight, Samurai

Fran: White mage, Archer

Balthier: Mechanist, Time Mage

The rest I don't know or care much about. Vaan is whatever the dagger class is. I don't have second jobs yet, are the three I have up there fine? Any suggestions for the others?

Hopefully I don't end up screwing myself over with job selections. I don't care to beat the ultimate boss of the game or anything.

>>383879314
i had originally thought having ashe as knight/ time, but heard knight/sam is basically broken on pretty much anyone. any truth to that or would it matter much in the long run? also thanks

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>>383876228
>X is the best Final Fantasy game.

English or Japanese voices?

>>383879507
are u blind

>>383879701
Name a better one.

>>383879845
>Gameplay
5

>Aesthetic
7

>Breaking the game over your knee
8

I can go on.

>>383879845
ff3/6, 7, fft, xi, xii, xiv etc etc etc

>>383860310
You're fucking kidding.
Although I guess the trophies are almost exactly the same.

>>383879845
It would be easier to just say what games are worse than X.
XIII, II and XV

>>383876228
>>383879701
>>383879845
>>383879876
>>383879902
>>383879949
hey guys i've got a great idea

let's all argue over what the best ff is

but instead of providing literally any arguments at all for anything we're saying

we'll just repeat ourselves until everyone else gives up

does that sound cool or what?

What's the best class set up?

>>383880000
Go to bed, summerfag.

>>383850863
How good is a Monk/White Mage Build? It's my go-to job combo, and I want to give it to Vaan.

>>383880000
>reddit spacing
waste of quints

>>383879845
any

>>383879949
XV is superior.

>>383880049
>reddit arguing

>>383879845
>Name a better one.
Throw a fucking rock and you'll hit a FF game better than XIII: Prototype Edition.

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>>383880058

>>383880115
Not an argument.

>>383880000
maybe if you had read what was written
>>383879845
>name a better one
didn't require a fucking list of reasons. go back to gamefaqs

>>383880143
at least 2 has a world map.

>>383880148
>>383880151
>reddit insults

>>383880000
>>383880000
hey guys i've got a great idea

let's be boring as hell faggots in a japanese image board

but instead of doing it by just not posting in interesting threads

we'll just use retarded spacing and be completely oblivious to banter

does that sound cool or what?

>>383880261
You're a woman. Ask me how I know.

>>383880261
>reddit passive-aggressiveness

>>383880232
>obsessed with reddit

>>383879561
>knight/sam is basically broken
I played a lot of IZJS but just started TZA and haven't thought much about Job combos, but thinking about it, I would guess it's because you're taking Sam, which is one of the best damage dealers, and then adding the ability to be a real tank with heavy armor and shields (Masamune I plus a shield better than the Genji Shield does sound broken, now that I think about it), and you're getting white magic from Knight that's extra potent due to the Sam's high magic. In theory it should basically give you a tanking/healing/damaging machine to carry your whole party through. It sounds like it could work really well, at the very least. Personally I like spreading the functionality out a bit more across the characters but this approach could be more powerful.

>>383880143
I wish I hated II. But I can't bring myself to hate the ahead of its time story or music

>>383880320
>also obsessed with reddit

>>383880302
But I have a penis

>>383880369
>obsessed with you
:^)

I picked up X HD remembering it fondly from my youth. Not half enough bosses, and the ones there are, are retarded simple. FF6 has bosses ten times better. The game is corridors with save spheres every two inches. The game irritatingly gates your character progress, and also have massive steep spikes in "power" where AP magicallly quadruples and you're near forced to grind at least a bit to catch up. It feels like a parody of a turn based RPG, and I don't know how I never notice do it when I was younger.

And this is before I started the tedium that is unlocking the fucking arena monsters, fuck that taming shit I forgot it existed.

>>383880350
thanks for the input senpai

>>383880383
Tuck that bad boy inside baby, you're fully feminized!

>>383850863
I made Vaan be Panelos bitch.
She does the damage, he heals her like a good white mage should.

>>383880471
Only if I get to untuck it for your boipucci

How Viable is Monk/White Mage?

>>383880525
I don't have one of those, I'm cis.