what is the best MMO that doesn't require a monthly subscription?

>>383850282
monthly sub mmos are the only good ones
id rather not have cash shop p2w bs and other offers thrown in my face ruining my experience

unfortunately you've probably posted it.

SWL because its not really an MMO. Play the story and quit until patches come.

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>>383850407
>id rather not have cash shop p2w bs and other offers thrown in my face
But sub mmos have those too.

PSO2? There's a english patch, combat is fun, and it gets nice updates.

>>383850282

EVE or SecondLife because they're the only MMOs that actually fulfill the promise of a virtual world.

Probably TESO.

Tree of Savior. Hands down.

Elder Scrolls Online


If you've ever in the past subbed to either Star Trek Online or Star Wars The Old Republic before they went free then those are perfectly playable for free as a grandfathered in player, but impossible if you go in fresh for free.

>>383850770
don't do it

All F2P MMOs are garbage because it opens the flood gates for third world players and tons of cheaters. A MMO is only as good as its community.

>>383850282

Wildstar if only for the housing and the great raids

>>383850770
It's not even as good as ragnarok, don't bother unless you want more of the same terrible grinding

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>>383850282
Mabinogi.

>>383850512
not nearly to the same degree

>>383850282
There are no good mmos, period.

Entropia Universe

>>383851247
Then what genre should I play instead?

>>383850282
tera

>>383850512
FFXIV cash shop is purely cosmetic and even then most of the cosmetics are available in-game too from events or the marketboard.

Unless you count a level skip potion as pay 2 win when it doesn't mean you win at anything

>>383851358
>most of the cosmetics are available in-game too
No they're not

>>383850282
Bdo needs a subscription if you want to make money on the marketplace

>>383851293
Moba

>>383851143
shame its super dead

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>>383851570
that's somehow worse

>>383851426
all the dyes are, costumes are past event items you could have got for free when those promos were going on for weeks if not months

>>383850282
07 OG Runescape

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>>383851049
>tfw carbine patches the money exploit you used to get mad plat
I'm still only raid logging faggots.

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what is an MMO with both a wizard like class and some form of player housing so I can make a wizard tower?

>>383851636
Yeah, used to have a lot of fun with it. Still faring better than its sister game Vindictus though

>>383851143
That was the best mmo, full fucking sandbox do what you want done so well.

But it was nexon.

>>383852080
>Nexon
This is why I didnt even bother signing up for free Lawbreakers beta. They've got a rep to them for sure

>>383851725
The cash shop in XIV has been getting mostly unique, premium content that cannot be gained in-game for a long time now.
We're talking $15-20 for shitty outfits and housing items that are one time use only, $5-10 on unique emotes.

>>383852446
As long as it's not pay to win, I don't see the problem. If people like to play dress up, let them support the game by playing dress up. Thanks to those cash shop people we got brand new servers in Europe.

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what mmo has housing like wildstar?

>>383852606
wildstar

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>Not playing the ultimate super fucking hardcore "MMO".
>Not becoming insanely immersed in fucking text.
>Not investing 3000+ hours of your life in it
>Not nearly failing high school and college because of it.

>>383850486
This, but don't go blade becuase its FUCKING GGARBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I WASTED SO MUCH AP / SP ON THIS SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

>>383852603
>Europe
Who cares

>>383852606
Rift

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>>383852606

This also. I wasted so much time on housing in W*.

>>383852827
sorry your servers are melting donald brumpt

>>383852770
what is?

>>383852603
There's ability to purchase instant level ups to 60 and skip job/msq.
>Thanks to those cash shop people we got brand new servers in Europe.
I really doubt it was them, even then maybe they should have actually put the EU servers in fucking europe to begin with.

>>383850512
Story and Level Jump pots aren't p2w tho

>>383852996
>There's ability to purchase instant level ups to 60 and skip job/msq.
how is this pay to win exactly? you pay for boost, you get dropped off at level 60. what are you winning exactly? where's your raid clears? where's your pvp rank on the feast leaderboards? where's your golden bird mount? where's your best in slot gear?

>>383853126
Where's your actual class play experience, too?
Lets not forget it just puts you at 60. You still have to learn how to play your fucking class. And if you've never played an MMO before, you'll be really really confused where to even begin.

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>>383853032
>>383853126
You're paying for an advantage over other players, instead of putting in time to reach content you drop cash to get there.
Is it going to get you clears? Probably not unless you also buy gold from a third party to buy them too; but it's still pay to win.

>>383852913
was great fun making difficult jumping puzzles for guildies to try complete

>>383852603

I have a problem with unique items being distributed via cash shop in a pay to play MMO, or an MMO deciding to put a price tag on the hours spent playing the game.

Because, they know it's a grind; it's a relentless, boring shitty ass grind to get from 1-60 or to trudge through a billion boring mini-quest fetch shit with emote riddled boring ass cutscenes. But at least, people had to endure it. People at endgame were all about, yeah, we did all that shit too, man.

But hey now for $75 we can just skip you retards right past all that shit you actually bought and get you to the part you really want to be at :^) Jesus fucking Christ.

Not that I'm bitching too much. I've made about $4000 off the game myself so when FFXIV is doing good business, so am I.

Kingdom Of Loathing
It looks like a dumb meme game but it's actually amazing

>>383850282
Project1999

>>383853287
the game forces you to go through hall of novice to learn your class if you boost. also everyone will know you boosted anyways because you're given a leaf icon next to your name for 170+ hours of gameplay.

>>383853321
still not seeing how it's pay to win if there are no definite win conditions in a MMORPG. it's a never ending game. wow you skip 50 hours of story quests, what do you win for that? being fucking clueless as to what's going on when you reach the next expansion?

>>383853392
That game's still going?

I played it maybe 12 years ago. It was crazy but tons of fun. NS13 sucked the fun out of it

Are there even sub based MMOs past 2006?

>>383853321
To be fair, the jump potions aren't cheap. Like at all.

If you pay full price for the game, than buy both potions you're looking at near 2x the cost you payed just for the game where you can just buy the game for $60, get your 3% free trial days plus 2 months of sub for $30 and get a level 70 class that quickly. for $15 bucks less and only time to be put into it.

>>383853571
You can just turn off the leaf from the beginning, but not everyone knows how to do that.

>>383853674
you can turn off the leaf but everyone can still check your search comment info and know immediately that you boosted. boosted players have no secondary classes leveled and their lodestone page is almost empty.

>>383853674
30 days of free trial*

>>383853392
I could never understand the appeal, you run out of food or whatever energy system it uses in like 30 minutes or less.... then wait like I don't remember how many hours, probably a whole day for the food to restore.

What's so amazing about that? it's like any mobile cash grab.

>>383853610
Yep.

>>383852080
Yeah. It's ridiculous how Nexon just has the ability to turn everything they touch into absolute garbage. The same problem surfaced with Vindictus.

How good is BDO for exploration and escapism ?

Trust me, I've fucking tried
The only quality ones are sub mmorpgs

all the free MMORPGs have the following
>doing specific, daily-limited dungeon runs for extremely rare drops that are necessary to continue (100% chance)
>pay2win shop, excluding cosmetics (xp boosters, teleportation items, auto-loot functions, stat buffs, etc.)
>Extremely large unavoidable population of either literal pre-teens or BRs

sub-required MMORPGs have the following
>daily-limit dungeon runs, but give you guaranteed "points" that you can use to get gear eventually
>cash shop is purely cosmetic
>very little to no children or BRs, because the game costs money

The biggest thing is probably that free MMORPGs are designed to be indeterminately long time-sinks. sub-required MMORPGs cannot be designed like that, or the player population would shrink due to people giving up, and they cannot afford to do that.

>>383851492
>save shit in bank
> get free value pack from either loyalty or market sniping
> sell items and use value pack
>profit ???

>>383853732
This is true. To be honest I'd probably get a jump potion if I was leveling an alt. I don't want to go through 2.2-2.5 again so it's really fucking tempting. And I wouldn't have to give a shit about what other think since I actually know current content and how to play the game. the most difficult part would be setting up new hotbars and HUD elements.

>>383853381
or how about people use a level boost because they want to catch up with friends or they want to immediately start playing as samurai or red mage

>>383853571
goalpost shifting doesnt change the fact that xiv checks off both of what that image has, you might as well say korean f2p shooters aren't p2w because there's no definitive win state for that either.
>>383853674
Doesn't matter if it costs more, the entire argument was that sub mmo's also have p2w features which XIV does slightly.

>>383853797
You'll be exploring the god awful UI for the first 3 hours of your playthrough. Not to mention youll be wondering why the cutie you made in CC doesnt actually look like what you made in the real game

Tree of Savior is a lot better now.

>>383854065
is it really
did they rebalance the classes?

>>383850282
>>383850428
BDO is gambling Korean grinding sim trash with obscene levels of RNG and pure incomprehensible PvP (its endgame). No monthly subscription but you will end up paying hundreds if not thousands of dollars if you want to be on the same level as everybody else. Don't play it.
>>383850486
SWL is a cash grab and virtually indistinguishable from TSW. Gutter trash game.
>>383850770
lol
>>383851049
Isn't this game a ghost town? Otherwise the best PvE I've experienced in a while, super exhausting game though.

>>383853945
you still never explained how level boosts are pay 2 win. referring to a retarded ms paint chart doesn't prove anything if you can't even explain your argument.

>>383853808
>very little to no children or BRs, because the game is dead
Fixed for you.

>>383850282
private server WoW are the only good FREE MMOs

>>383853930

>or how about people use a level boost because they want to catch up with friends

Maybe play a game that's better to play with friends, then? FFXIV is the absolute worst, period, game, period, ever, period, for 'playing with friends'.

You know what friends do in FFXIV? That I've seen? They do a daily, chat, fail at a raid for an hour and then go play a BETTER game.

>>383853761
Holy shit it really has been 12 years.

And it has even more dick jokes then I remember

>>383852606
>>383852913
fuck man, I loved housing in wildstar. As soon as they went FTP I jumped ship because I know housing item were going to be monitized and you would have to grind like hell to get the good ones. Low and behold you can grind your ass off to get a housing item on their cash shop or you can pay 9.99 for it. How much does your time cost to you? Let's not forget they hold your housing plot at gun point now "pay your sub or your plot is reduced 20% in size". Fuck you Carbine,Fuck you and your game. Also a 8 skill character slot system is casual bait and ruins the game for people who take MMOs seriously.

>>383854065
Is it not just an endless grind?

>>383853834
They give out those free weekly things all the time, I think I have like a years worth just sitting in my bank before they did the server merge crap.

>>383854115
Yes, they did. They also changed the dumb linear formulas.

>>383854191
you sound really salty man, did ffxiv touch you last summer?

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People better not be talking shit about my expansion.

>>383854164
the retarded chart literally states why
you pay money
you get to end game dozens upon dozens of hours sooner than other people
this is not a difficult concept to grasp and I'd expect anyone who's completed third grade to comprehend paying money to save time is pay to win, XIV combat is also not that difficult as to need leveling experience to grasp you open up a webpage and practice your rotation for 10minutes and you're good.

>>383852003
minecraft with mods

>>383853945
korean f2p shooters are pay 2 win because they sell guns that do higher damage than free to earn guns.

boosting to level 60 in ffxiv doesn't make you better than another level 60 player. if anything you're worse than them because you lack secondary classes and your shire gear is inferior to i270

>>383854437
>you get to end game dozens upon dozens of hours sooner than other people
So the point of the game is a race to max level? That's why it's p2win?

>>383854437
>pay to skip hours ahead someone
>end up being clueless to mechanics because you literally never seen them before
you're the people who whine about royal menagerie being too hard and the red mage that's doing 600dps because you're following a dumb ass rotation when they're NOT a rotation based class.

>>383854437
>you get to end game dozens upon dozens of hours sooner than other people
No you don't.
The level boost is to 60, the end game is at 70.
Why don't you just play WoW if you care so much about the end game anyway? Besides, players who pay to skip the msq are actually at a disadvantage to those who didn't.

>>383852003
Trove. But you don't wanna play that.

>>383850282
Defiance

>>383853945
F2P shooters generally have ranked matchmaking. Paying gives you better guns, which gives you a tangible advantage over other players.

Level boost in FFXIV just drops you off at end game content with a set of standard gear. How are you exactly at an advantage over other end game players?

>>383854298

And the best thing about these potions? Is that, logically speaking, you'd have to be an absolute retard poorfag to NOT buy them.

Like, seriously; you'd have to be the most SE-cock hungry weeb faggot in the history of FFXIV to have enjoyed going through the game legit. Because for any one moment where the story is cool, or a boss fight is neat, you've got 100 hours of 'deliver this to this' to look forward to.

So yeah congrats to the folks who pay to skip all that. I just bot my shit and sell gil for some extra cash; what's good for SE is good for me.

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>>383853945
As a previous anon said, it just gets you to current expansion and gives you low iLevel gear and a level 60 class. You still have to work to do any end-game content.

The hardest part of 14 isn't leveling. I got to level 70 in two days from a level 1 WAR to a level 50 WAR in two days and a level 60 to 70 in two days.
Leveling isn't even that fucking hard. The time consuming part is doing MSQ. The jump potions exist not as pay to win but so that people can actually play current content and not possibly be stuck playing content people barely do. While Roulettes exist to help distribute players into old content, you still have to play the catch-up game. And the more content that's released, the longer the catch-up game gets. They exist so that the people who want to experience the game as it is now can play it now, while people who might want to experience the entire game don't have to.

Take it from people who're playing the game and see these jump potion users on a regular basis. They might have a level 60 class, but they may as well be level 20. Most of these people have no fucking idea what to do and will take about as long to adjust as it would someone starting from the beginning, if not longer.

>>383852770
Sauce!

>>383854951
I just can't stomach playing through ARR ever again. I quit a few weeks ago, but if I ever got into the game and made a new character that alone would dissuade me from resubbing.

>>383854065
Is it still grindy as fuck to complete those collection shits that ive you meager stat boosts?

>>383854989
>a level 1 WAR to a level 50 WAR in two days
With the exp boost?
If not how the hell did you do that? Did you have msq exp?

>>383854951
where do you sell gil? I'll buy.

>>383854195
>Low and behold
>Low

>>383854989

>I got to level 70 in two days from a level 1 WAR

But you can't start as a level 1 WAR.

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>>383854629
>because you lack secondary classes
doesn't matter anymore, cross class skills are now in common pool that all classes of a type can utilize. plus you can just level those up if you want and would have two or three level 60's in the time it took you for 1
>>383854732
>it's not pay to win because it offers you an incentive to spend money to not have to spend time grinding a class up or slogging through 3years of content to experience the new ones with your friends
you convinced me anon XIV has no pay to win shalom shalom

>>383855175
Fucking PotD 1-50, anon. Dungeons with rested bonus, food exp buff and FC EXP buff every so often.
Do them until you want to kill yourself. It's the only way.

>>383855224
He doesn't, he's just lying to make himself look cool on a chinese image board.

>>383855264
You get what I mean.

>>383854437
Why do you care about other people being at 60 before you? I agree that it's p2w, but I don't see how it is a problem. There's tons of people who are already at 60 and have been so for years, this shouldn't matter to you. 60 isn't even max level anymore

>>383855683
>I agree that it's p2w
it's not. you're not winning by skipping content.

>>383855781
If you don't care about the content, then yes, you're winning by skipping it

>>383855781
So buying a max level character would not be winning then?

>>383852770
I played this every day for summer back in 2010.

Good times.

>>383854792
>No you don't.The level boost is to 60, the end game is at 70.
and the time it took to get to 60 doesn't exist, I suppose.
>>383854764
>can't watch a video on how a class plays or how mechanics work
>>383855781
>it's not p2w you just pay money to skip the content other people had to do lol

>>383850282
Guild Wars 2.

And it's not even close.

>>383855916
>>383855970
>>383856004
just go back to wow faggots
skipping content =/= paying to win

>>383853381

So, your argument is "we suffered through hours of bullshit, so others should have to also!"

Sad.

>>383855280
>it's not pay to win because it offers you an incentive to spend money to not have to spend time grinding a class up
What are you winning though? The race to max level?

>>383855224

Check out a site called epicnpc and either egpal or appletree. Never missed a payment or delivery and it's always safer to go through middlemen like this. As for how safe it is; I've been doing it for just over 2 years and haven't been hit once. So if anything, go with those guys.

>>383855457

Anon it's not even good money. In a year I made barely over 2k on it. I'm making more than that with tips on afk-bots getting poseball-fucked in second life. Nothing about this is brag worthy.

>>383853797

Excellent. It has the best graphics and art design of all MMOs along with the best atmosphere.

It's just too bad the gameplay is shit. If you're an ERPing faggot you'll have a great time though.

>>383855683
>Why do you care about other people being at 60 before you?
I don't, retards claim XIV isn't p2w and I stated why it is.
>>383856084
wow is p2w in that regard too friend

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>>383853392
My god, I forgot.

>>383856004
he leveling to 60 didn't even take that long to actually do. the only reason you think it did is because it was like 2 years ago. You've been sitting at 60 for 80% of HW's launch.

>>383850407
>monthly sub mmos are the only good ones
>Implying there are any good MMOs
Shit opinion, bro.

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FFXIV is not pay 2 win, stop this fucking meme.

>>383856084
Completing content is a victory, getting to 60 is a victory and finishing the MSQ is a victory. Paying for victories makes it p2w. If you can't see this, you're autistic

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>>383850282
Xenoblade Chronicles

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>>383852770
For those asking for sauce, it's called HellMOO.

And it's a MOO with no real endgame or updates. Good system, shit players. Good for RP, not much else. It's just an endless grind to max level, realize there's nothing to do but PVP, there's no point to PVP, reroll into a different build, rinse, repeat.

And believe me, the community IS cancer. Think 40 year old permavirgin neckbeards with nothing to do all day but be edgy and shitpost on a MOO.

>>383856442

>People playing a shitty P2W MMO not wanting to admit it's P2W

Okay bud

>>383856181
whats your name on epicnpc or what should I be looking out for

>>383856442
>expecting literal who's playing a game to be unbiased

>>383856471
Still gotta buy it senpai

>>383856442
It IS a shit game, though. Might as well just play WoW if you're going with rollercoaster sub mmos. FFXIV is just WoW with less content and catgirls. And worse combat.

does this mean maplestory isn't pay2win as cubes/stamps and equipment can now be gotten for free in game and through events?
what games are truly pay2win besides those russian mmos?

>>383856631
that guy have a point
is more close to pay to lose.

they are gonna get their shit pushed so hard by the primals is not even funny

Shell out for a couple of months of OSRS and you will make enough in game cash to keep up membership no problem if you like it.

The game really has stuff for everyone if you don't hate the base mechanics too much. Some challenging pvm, some dead easy pvm, different skills, high intensity skilling/combat or clicking once every 15 minutes.
And the pvp is min-maxers wet dream.

>>383856595

egpal or appletree are reliable. I've done dozens of transactions with them before. I don't sell myself; I use a third party like most people.

>>383856260
Until you realize how limited and locked the character gen is, and the fact that the engine has a bug where hair looks like neon because it isn't affected by lighting like everything else.

That bug has also been there since the betas and it's still not fixed.

>>383856649
that's subjective unless you can prove its shit objectively.

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>>383856746

>that's subjective unless you can prove its shit objectively.

People are, by the THOUSANDS, paying to SKIP the game.

>>383856004
>just watch a video xD
how fucking garbage are you at video games

>>383856746
I don't have to. Anyone with have a mind can try the FFXIV week trial and realize how boring the fucking game is.

If they're stupid enough to buy the game and sub after that, that's on them. I've played so many MMOs before, and FFXIV is one of the most boring, and that's saying a lot. Half the playerbase plays it to idle around and look at weeb shit whilst talking about irrelevant shit in linkshells. The rest are weeb idiots that won't play WoW because it's old or ugly.

It's not pay 2 win. It's pay 2 not grind useless meaningless outdated shitty content.

Pay 2 win would be literally buying something that gives you an advantage around your fellow peers.

>>383856938
that's a subjective point of view though as you have no data. you can't prove the game is shit objectively.

>>383856443
Winning in FFXIV is about being able to finish dungeons, trials and raids and defeat other players in PvP.
A jump potion does not give you any advantage over other players since you have all reached the level cap.
The way most rational people judge whether a game is P2W is if you put two players of equal skill in the same scenario, one with the maximum effectiveness you can get ingame and the other the maximum effectiveness you can get by paying money in the cash shop.
If the player who has payed money in the cash shop is more successful at winning than the other player who only used ingame shops, than the game is P2W.
FFXIV doesn't do that so it's not P2W.
>>383856938
>People are, by the THOUSANDS, paying to SKIP the game
Do you have ANY evidence to support that claim?

>>383856943
how fucking retarded are you to not read the reply chain
to not understand that xiv is ridiculously easy
that if you're some kind of retard who can't figure out how to play your class from the tooltips like a non mongoloid a simple video can show you how to

>>383856938
People are also watching a nearly two decade old game in Twitch over it.

Even Guildwars 2 gets more viewers.

>>383857121
again how shit are you at video games that you have to watch guides or can't clear savage raids in 1 go

>>383856862
what emote is this even that you're spamming like a spaz

>>383856746
>>383856938
>>383857054
opinions aren't objective by definition

cya

>>383857076
>pay to not grind isn't an advantage compared to your peers
Come on, man.

>>383857054
u sound mad that your favorite mmo is dying because of ffxiv

>>383856943

The devs themselves have developed a potion in which you can pay $25 to skip the part of the game that people will want to skip.

They conducted market research and found out that this is a nice way to make money; because their game, is so fucking awful and poorly designed, that people in droves will pay to skip the VAST majority of it.

The fucking devs themselves are making bank on understanding how shit their game is. How come you're the last one to understand it?

I want Balmung to leave this thread

>>383857054
>I don't have to. Anyone with have a mind can try the FFXIV week trial and realize how boring the fucking game is.
I played the trial and had fun so I bought the game, then the whole thing turned into a borefest the moment I hit level 30. I was trikked

pay2win implies you're paying the game for an advantage other players can't get.

I still think buying max level is shit, I agree with you guys.

It's pay2skip meaningless content, or pay2grind. Which is still shit.

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>>383852606

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>>383856636
He just said he didn't want a monthly subscription.
Also, dolphin

>>383857328
or how about people that want to catch up with their friends ASAP or play the new classes immediately

>NOPE. THEY MUST HATE THE FUCKING GAME AND THEY PAY TO SKIP A GAME THEY HATE AND KNOW ITS SHIT

>>383857231
An opinion can hold an objective truth, though.

>>383856740

No, even then it's still best in class for what he's asking for. The game has a lot of problems but that's speaks more about the genre than it does the game itself.

>>383850282

Phantasy Star Online 2

>>383857556
not really unless you got objective data to prove it. so far it's been shitslinging with opinions and namecalling

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XIVfags are the reason MMOs will never be big again.They can keep making WoW clones, splash on some catgirls, and people eat it up. The same people who complain MMOs are dead and all the same.

They're the ones to blame, not the fucking developers. The developers are the smart ones. Look at fucking Yoshi-P. He literally tells his playerbase he's not giving them content on purpose because they can just go play other games or do other shit and they see this as a good thing, then pay full price for an expac they clear in less than a week.

Players don't want a fun MMO to play. They want a shitty world to shitpost in and AFK whilst they alt-tab. FFXIV and BDO's success is proof of this.

>>383857472
a lot of people are
there is a fuck huge wall of shit from level 30-40
i know a lot of people that didn leap that wall, they whear not so great.
now is a lot easy to level up so is not that bad as it was in release

>>383857554

>or how about people that want to catch up with their friends ASAP

Then where the fuck were they when their friends were playing before? Not playing a shitty game?

>>383857328
the jump potion was put into the game because the devs realised that they could capitalize on the mass exodus of players out of WoW and into other MMO's like FFXIV.
Since WoW players have been conditioned to only care about the endgame since WoW's setting is complete shit and the writing is awful, they let those players skip the games content and get to the midgame raids/content.
It's really just a indication of how terrible WoW is, rather than FFXIV when you think about it.

>>383857698
work, school, life, etc. not everyone is a fucking loser like you

>>383857554
As someone who's played WoW recently let me tell you that those free max-level characters they give out with each expansion are the fucking worst. The number of retards who have zero fucking clue how to play their class has skyrocketed astronomically

>>383857317
I don't like WoW, but
>dying
>has thousands and thousands more subs and active players than an MMO weeks off a new expac

If WoW is dying, FFXIV is stillbirth.

>>383857671
Amen.

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>see Secret World got some big new update
>they somehow made the combat worse

>>383857674
You mean this hell ends at 40?

>>383857628
The game is an AFK simulator. If you just want to order shit around and go afk as you wait for energy to regenerate, sure.

Otherwise, there's nothing worthwhile about the game.

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>>383857808
stay mad u mad

>>383857671
If you've watched anything on FF14 you'd know that he doesn't entirely believe in the idea of playing the game all day every day to do the shit you gotta do.

>>383857885
>he hasn't hit the 50's yet

Oh my sweet child

>>383857808
It's an objective fact that WoW is losing thousands of players every month.
FFXIV on the other hand has been designed so that you only have to sub for a few months and you can stop playing after you've completed all of the content.
>>383857885
What hell? I'd suggest waiting until you finish the 2.0 msq before you start complaining lmao.

>>383857885
the quest from 30 to 40 and the dungeons too are kinda boring, that questline to fight titan is the most horrible thing i have ever witness.
but all the end game stuff after that, all the heavensward MSQ and endgame stuff and all of the bloodtorm stuff is fucking amazing, specially the end bosses, rais and primal fights

>>383857825
This is true suffering. TSW is one of my favorite games of all time but there's just so much it falls short on.

>>383857780

You could put in 3 hours a WEEK into ffxiv and keep up. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>383850783
why is it hard for a free player now?

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The director of FFXIV told NEETs to stop playing this game 24/7 and start getting a life while they make more content.

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>the amount of people in this thread who think wow is dying

>>383850282
If you are not a carebear, Planetside 2

>>383857885
No. Wait until you get to PoTD. An instance you'll love! Or you'll wish you did, because you're going to be running it hundreds of times.

>>383857825
Shame, too. The game is really cool. Has a lot of issues, but it'd be a lot more tolerable if it had enjoyable combat.

>>383857825

>Played TSW back in the day
>Thought it sucked. The atmosphere and quests were fine, but combat shit and still felt like a themepark.
>They redo it
>Try it again
>Somehow even shittier

Fucking wew.

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>>383858221

>>383857472
The game isn't bad, but the early MSQ all the way to 40 is a god damn slog, same with 2.2-2.4.
You ask any FF14 player and they'll say the same thing.
It becomes a lot more fun the more skills you start to get and the more mechanics you see.

But 2.0 is ertainly more a slog through than anything else in the game. But you also get to do a lot of dungeon content, Crystal Tower, Hildebrand if you like that sort of thing, and Coil. All of which are fantastic. And it really only gets better as you go forward.

>>383850282

>MMO
>Good
>Free

Pick one.

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>>383858321
ah yes, thank you for addressing the 'wow is doing better than ffxiv part of my post

>>383858032
>wow is losing thousands of players each month
Source where? Last I read, Legion was doing pretty fucking great.

>FFXIV i-is meant n-not to be played, idiot!
lol, don't really have to argue against this

>>383858321
While i'd like you to be correct, I would like to ask you for the date that these articles were made in.

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>>383858151
WoW and other MMOs should be taking notes that poopsocking is not okay and you shouldnt be forced to subscribe or play to be viable in-game.

>>383850282
TERA
You're only a cool guy if you play as Baraka.

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Why is BDO not available in my region? Is it for the better?

Honestly ESO is the most fun I've had in an MMO since my younger days in the golden age of RS and FFXI. The base game goes for dirt cheap and has a ton of content nowadays.

Aside from modding potential with Skyrim/Oblivion it beats out both by a long shot in terms of comparison with the vanilla versions of those games.

i play tera :)

i'm looking forward to the console version :D

>>383857639
Don't bother with pso2 now. To think it was probably the most fair f2p game ever. It was so fair that the literally had to change it to be more inconvenient.

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>>383858321
>warlords of draenor

At least you tried

>>383858321
WoW at its lowest is still head and shoulders above FFXIV at its peak, which is likely right now or the start of Heavensward. Hopefully you drones will realize your game is trash and scatter to never post again.

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Is he right?

>>383858447
>grinding through the most menial end game content is somehow playing the game as opposed to having FUN
WoWfags everybody.

>>383858447
>Source where? Last I read, Legion was doing pretty fucking great.
not him, but it's very likely. wow hasn't maintained/gained subs during it's expansions since wotlk. not that losing thousands of players matters a whole lot when 10million were playing to begin with.

>>383858321

IGN must've gotten it wrong, because the 4 million subs number is 'concurrent'. And 'concurrent' isn't the same as 'current'.

>>383858570

Fucking this can't believe I wasted money on it. FFXIV is trash and doesn't hold a candle to its predecessor FFXI

>>383858447
>Legion was doing pretty fucking great
Legion is doing fucking horrible right now. Major raid guilds are quitting and there's not even a world first race anymore.

>>383852770
That game is wasted potential. Almost no meaningful updates in its entire lifespan. The combat is basically stun cannons RNG.

>>383858571
He's milking weeb retards, so in a way, yes. He can get away with releasing little to nothing and have retards pay full price and be happy with it.

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>>383858673
>>383858570
>muh old mmos
fucking lmao

>>383858684
>Major raid guilds are quitting and there's not even a world first race anymore.
alright, now pull up the article where Limit drops out of the world first race because one of their members got banned as evidence

>>383858571

Tons of video games are massive time sinks not just MMO's. It's up to the individual how they choose to spend their spare time. He's just using that as a lame excuse to not add more comprehensive content to his game.

>>383856260
Nice, ill get it this summer then. Not even ERPing faggot but im taking too much meds these days i need somehting to forget.
About the gameplay too i cant remember 1 mmo i tried with "good" gameplay. Most of them now are button mashing or play like wow . Maybe gw2 wasnt bad.
>>383856740
I can get over it but its weir, i thought its main feature was to have a deep character gen ?

>>383858796
Who talking about old MMOs? Talking about the two "titans", when in reality there is only one titan: Warcraft.

>>383858593
>The endgame in a themepark mmo is menial
If you're saying endgame content is menial, FFXIV has literally nothing. Nobody in the history of ever likes leveling in FFXIV.

You can stop posting anytime now. It's getting embarassing.

>>383850282
elysium

>>383858571
I agree with it. Is till get to do shit that I want to do, poopsock if I want to, and still not feel obliged to have to log in every day. In the end I'm still paying for it, but $15 a month ain't really shit.

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>thread about non-P2P MMOs
>drones can't stop talking about their P2P MMOs and shit on each other
What is this, some sort of advanced buyer's remorse caused by all these years of paid subscription?

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>>383858858
>beat MMO after thousands of hours
>"WAHH WHY ISN'T THERE MORE CONTENT?! DEVS MAKE IT FASTER THAN I CAN CLEAR IT!!"

>log in to make some progress on this level 30-40 MSQ slog
>very next step is to wait in duty finder 20 minutes
What do I do in the meantime?

>>383858640
Nobody says it's beating peak numbers. But it's gaining subs and is at least a million subs above FFXIV.

Which, for a decade+ old game, is both incredible and sad at the same time.

If anything WoW feels deader than FFXIV. WoW had to merge their servers WORLDWIDE with cross realm bullshit.

>>383858980

You cancel your subscription and get out while you can. FFXIV is trash.

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>tfw comfy thread
>tfw talking casually to others about ff14
>tfw suddenly shitters from come and bring their shit opinions with them
I hate this meme. I just want to talk about things in peace.

>>383858796
That decrepit 'old mmo' is still shitting on your shiny weeb game in every quantifiable way possible.

lmao indeed

>>383859120
t. dead MMO player

>>383854195
>Also a 8 skill character slot system is casual bait and ruins the game for people who take MMOs seriously.

You must've never played GW1 then. WOW was babbymode compared to it.

>>383858980
Find firends. You have an FC, right, senpai?
You can always make a PF asking for tanks and healers.
First timers give others bonus if you do the content with them.

>>383858976

You're projecting real hard there bud. FFXIV has fuck all engaging content after you finish the MSQ's which hardly takes 1000's of hours to complete

Tera is pretty fun

>>383858860
The character gen looks good, but all the sliders are minimal, all hairs/presets are class locked, and you will always look asian as fuck. All characters look extremely similar.

Then you get ingame and you also notice there's only like 10 different armors in the game that aren't cash shop outfits and it really feels like you're playing with robots.

>>383859172

Don't play any MMO's currently but nice try

Most MMO developers these days seem to have the mentality that their MMO game has to basically be a secondary, tertiary or even lower type of time-waster. Nobody wants to make a game that'll have NEETs living on it 20 hours a day 7 days a week. There's no casual (whale) audience for that. Basically all MMO devs really want anymore is to make a game that manages to lure some whales into logging in, drop a few grand on paying to win and then get bored and fuck off to their next colossal moneygrabber game. Although I don't know who the fuck these whales are or how the fuck they have so much money, it's a goddamn mystery to me how the industry has so many rich retards who float around dropping massive amounts of cash so luxuriously and wastefully.

>>383859136
Go excrete in your containment thread then dude.

>>383859296
The point is that by themepark MMO design, it's impossible to create content faster than it can be cleared. The FFXIV dev is literally saying go play other games while they make more content if you done everything relevant already. Making content that lasts forever is impossible.

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Wildstar

>better feeling movement controls than WoW plus you can double jump and sprint
>action combat w/ telegraphs adds some spice to what is more or less a WoW-type game
>best housing system in the genre right now
>small community but not "dead" dead
>sassy sex robots

SecondLife

>There is only one reason you play secondlife and it's the best at that reason

>>383859289

>You can always make a PF asking for tanks and healers.

Yeaaah, you're gonna be waiting way longer than 20 minutes for that.

>>383858948
FFXIV retards post and derail every MMO thread. It's a recurring thing.

They're probably worn out from all the fun they're having ingame, they can't bear to keep going, it's too much fun.

>>383858151
>model your mmo around a gear treadmill
>wonders why his team will never meet the demand of "more content"
When will these retarded devs notice the reason why other multiplayer genres are booming while MMOs are dying. MMOs need to focus on gameplay. Playing against other players, teams, and guilds will always be more challenging and rewarding than playing with retarded raid bosses.

>>383859443
ask novice network, you get a response instantly

>>383859317

I really enjoyed how Tera played, but there is something about 3D asian MMO worlds that just feel cold and hollow, so many invisible walls and zones that are designed like corridors and rooms instead of feeling like a real world, also shit loads of pointless instancing.

>>383857671
You are literally the autistic screeching guy. Yoshi-P understands most people who play MMOs now are people who had played one 15 years ago and want to relive it. He also understands people dont want to grind those <1% drops anymore because those people grew up, have job and other obligations so he made xiv the way it is now. XIV is THE game for socially adapted people, this is a hard fact.

>>383859136

This isn't a FFXIV thread faggot. I'll shit all over your trash game all I want

>>383858980
Shitpost here about how fun FFXIV is.

>>383858516
Do you enjoy monotonous tasks and do you need a second or first unpaid job?

>try out BDO
>Communist market place
>Not allowed to trade with other players
>Cool combo system but you never get to use it
>PVE consists of AOE spam
>PVP consists of stun locking and one shots.
>The cash shop has items that give you an actual ingame advantage
>Despite having mandatory cash shop purchases, the monthly membership is also pretty much mandatory if you want to make a profit on the marketplace.
>Game at no point gives players any reason to explore the huge ass map.

Why exactly do people play BDO?

>>383859452
Blame the mods for deleting FFXIV threads on /v/ and refusing to moderate the FFXIV thread on /vg/

>>383859510
This.
Crownies may be shitters, but they are shitters that can get you where you eventually need to go.

>>383859091
WoW feels dead because it has a massive world with little to no reason to revisit old zones. Go to the current hub and continent and you're swimming in players.

>>383859663
QQ

>>383858980
Craft and gather.

>>383859648
Flashy effects, admittedly beautiful graphics, and waifu maker. Free.

What else do you really need?

>>383859136
Since when is this a FFXIV thread you fucking literal retard?

I know it's easy to confuse, since your actual thread is full of trannies ERPing each other, which, by the way, is probably the intellectual pinnacle of everyone who plays that shitheap of a game.

>>383859717
Even if you go to the central hub, it still feels dead because you're looking at people from different servers. There's no server community anymore. Everyone ignores each other because there's so many in one spot.

Is tos actually good now? I play ff14 and basically got the ex primals on farm mode and want something free I can bounce to on the side. It doesn't necessarily have to be a massive mmo but I would like it to be a orpg at least.

>>383858980
Go level a crafter or a gatherer and grab a chokehold around the market!
No really, it's a great thing to do while you wait as DPS and a good way to get money.

>>383859424
I wish wildstar's aesthetic wasn't so bad because I enjoyed the idea of it.

Star Trek Online is actually pretty decent. Doubly so if you're a fan of the franchise.

If you're so inclined, you can even earn the cashshopmoneypoints with in-game currency. Not that any of the cash shop ships or crew or gear is required to beat any of the content in the game. Not that there aren't lots of super powerful things to be had there, but you can easily do any of the PvE content with mission and rep gear no problem. PvP is dead as fuck last I checked though.

>>383859405

No shit that wasn't the point I was addressing

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>>383850871
the thread should have ended here.

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>people circlejerking and hating other MMOs except the one they choose to play it
>not playing one MMO and throwing it away once you are done with it

you need to sort yourselves out

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The day she gets married off to Hien will be a day of tears.

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>>383859424
All true.

Sadly, the small community and tone of the game put me off.

It's a real shame W* had such a bad launch. When they fixed everything in the relaunch, it was too late.

>>383859939
the point is that u mad

i am enjoying tera

>>383850282
none because the only reason some games are free is because they are eventually forced to spend money to keep up with other players or even pve content

>but monthly sub moos have cash shop too
yes but it's nowhere near as bad as f2p games, the best you can get from wow or ff cash shop is faster leveling, in most f2p mmo you get literal features locked off without paying a premium or fundamental ones require botting level grinding to keep up with in game materials/currency requirements

your only hope are private servers, which isn't much as 99% of them have cash shops as well which are even more severe than f2p ones, the (extremely few) ones that just offer the game without the need of the sub and aren't outlet of the admin's powertripping and autism fits is what you're looking for, but even in the case you'll find one then there won't be enough players to experience the game properly

>>383859424
Ws didn't deserve this fate. The second dungeon trumps ANYTHING I played in other MMOS endgame. The combat is great. I miss it every day but the game is desolate and the slog to cap is painful when there is nobody to do all the fun instances with.

>>383860027
Tell me about TERA.
Is there any reason to play it other than hitting for a Gorillion damage and making a semen demon Castanic in a revealing outfit?

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>Housing system

What is the point of this? It never does anything for player and unless you're a roleplayer its completely pointless and essentially wasted resources on part of the dev team

>>383859424
>SecondLife
>>There is only one reason you play secondlife and it's the best at that reason
being the best at letting you do literally whatever the you want?

>>383859539
Yoshi-P understands people don't want a good game. They want a distraction where they can look at pretty stuff and talk shit.

I don't care how socially adapted you are, FFXIV is not fun to play and never will be.

>>383860018

Yeah the relaunch was what they should have launched with. I think it would have done pretty well in it's own F2P niche. As far as tone, I like the saturday morning cartoon vibe, it's certainly something different in the genre, and not another somber "we must repel the eternal darkness" fantasy setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dvIuXj4Gm4

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FFXIV is the only modern MMO worth playing. If you hate FFXIV then quit MMOs forever. It doesn't get any better than that. Go play a MOBA if you want PVP or roguelike if you want PVE.

Realize that ARPGs like Diablo, PoE, Grim Dawn, etc. are basically the MMO experience but in a quick and condensed format that's easier to swallow.

>>383860253

You spelled ESO wrong m'dude

>>383860204
It's comfy

>>383859648
It's free and pretty if you like korean shit.

There is no other reason. Watch anyone reccomend BDO or talk about it. They'll always talk about 'chilling out' and 'exploring'.

>>383860253
leave, falseflagger

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MOBAs killed the MMO genre.
MOBAs offer everything MMOs accomplish to the player but cost less money investment and development time.
>Excessive carrot on a stick rewards and events to keep people playing
>Grinding to get bigger numbers
>Playing with a team and socializing with others to win
>You progress from being weak to powerful
>Most of them are fantasy based and have waifus and all that crap covered
Why play a MMO over a MOBA now?

>>383860243
Define whats a fun game, eventhough fun is subjective, without using 2.5gcd because that has been debunked time and time again

I just want an MMO that has the following in a summoner class

>Greater than 7 unique summons (So not BnS or BDO)
>Summons are not the regular mobs, just under your control (PWI Venomancer)
>Summoning is the main focus of the class (So not FFXIV SMN or TERA Mystic)

>>383860204

I think the same thing about hardcore raids that appeal to like... 5% of the game community. Like what the fuck, devs? Why waste all that dev time making a part of the game that only 5% (maybe) will even bother with?

>>383860204
Something to spend your worthless gil on since all gear that's good is gotten from actual content.

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>>383851810
Or vidyascape, the 4channer-run private server.

>>383851358

That's completely unacceptable and is entirely greed.

>>383860181

Wildstar is probably the best MMO to ever be crippled by a terrible launch and poor planning by the dev team.

>>383860007
I will never get over how bad the animal races look in FFXIV.

She literally looks as if someone glued some painted cardboard to her face.

>>383860443
mobas are on their way out too honestly.

nobody wants to play league of shitters and waste 40 minutes per game when they could play PUB and be in constant action.

>>383860443

Literally because camera angles and waifu customization.

>F2P MMO thread
>ffags and wowfags rush to shit on it
what the fuck

>>383860243

Agreed. FFXIV is a like a huge cock tease that never pays off. You expect it to get better eventually but it never does. The only redeemable feature is that it has some cool looking equipment sets and some good OSTS

>>383860519
it's not pay 2 win and cosmetic dress up is petty shit for girls are you fuckin girl anon?

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>tfw play wildstar but just raid log
If mechari could be spellslingers I'd be playing everyday.

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>>383860204

>>383860243
>FFXIV is not fun to play
that's subjective, not objective.

>>383860595
see above

Speaking of FFXIV, should I get the PS4 or PC version?

>>383860602

No, just somebody who doesn't want to feel like they're playing a F2P mmo they paid $60+Expansions and $15 a month for.

>>383860204
Roleplayers are usually a decent margin of MMO players.

Plus, it's only shit because no devs have the balls to actually make it matter. Eventually, they'll allow players to break into each other's homes, have them able to store/loot valuables/give buffs, etc.

>>383860219

Well that and ERP that will leave you dehydrated

>>383850282
So many BDO shills it's disgusting. The game is fucking Gookery p2w shit at the maximum.

>>383860635
why do you keep posting this
EVERYfucking thread
you posted it TWICE IN THIS ONE
kill yourself

>>383860734

No shit every post on /v/ is a subjective opinion. The only objective fact on this board is that you're a massive faggot

>>383860785
again it's not pay 2 win and if you care that much about cosmetics that have 0 affect on PVE and PVP then you're a fucking girl or faggot.

>>383860804

The ERP there isn't all that great, really. The visual stimulation is pretty nice, but for the most part you're trudging through miles of wigger house mom shit to find a decent roleplayer when you could be doing it so much quicker and easier elsewhere.

But yeah, visually? Awesome.

>>383859262
My nigga

>>383860243
Gordias and Midas were fun, along with some of Second Coil. But yeah, nothing fun left in that game now. The direction it's heading in is really sad.

>>383860443
Because going back to level one after every match sucks.
MOBAs have nothing to do with MMOs, you are just picking up minor similarities, you can do that with any other genre. It's like saying that God of War killed 3D platformers because Kratos can jump and collect shit.

>>383860635

God Mechari are so great. Wildstar did a few things right and the variation in playable races is one of them. Short races are hella short, tall races are tall, crazy body types, robots, rodents, people with big tits, zombies, dragon-orcs.... why don't people play this shit.

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>>383860846
Nani?

[translator's note: nani means, what did he mean by this?]

>>383860858
u mad

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>>383860779
It plays great with a controller if that was you were afraid of.

>>383860896

Sounds like you're just a blind fanboy desu.

>People defending a cash shop on a P2P game
WOW

>>383860494

Usually because that 5% are a very vocal minority of seasoned players that invested enough of their free time into the game that they'll bitch and moan to get their way

>>383860918
if anything the direction is going positive. critics and user reviews agree everywhere

Guild Wars 1, but it's dead

>>383860913

I've done some ERP in my day and compared to WoW / FFXIV / Wildstar I've found the best people in SecondLife, granted I've also found the worst, but finding those gems is worth it.

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>>383860964
>why don't people play this shit.
Because they fucked up the launch, didn't have enough servers for f2p, and didn't bother to tell anyone when they got on steam.
Also people just stop giving a shit pretty fast.

>>383860458
Peria Chronicles.

>>383861001
nothing wrong with a cash shop if its not pay 2 win. overwatch is played and loved by millions and it has a worse cash shop than ffxiv

>>383861001

Neo-/v/ thinks DLC and Cash shops are completely acceptable in a game you've spend $60 on.

They're probably just really young, honestly.

>>383860969

put some clothes on you slut

>>383860535
It is, by far.

Archeage comes close. It would've been massively successful, publisher jewery fucked it over.

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>>383860007
she really is best girl, especially during this expansion (other than that one bit where you and her go on an actual suicide mission, at least the aftermath turned out well).

I know JP have absolute boners for blue-eyed blonde bimbos, but Lyse was such a fucking disappointment.

>>383861124

I was more referring to the idiots in this thread that are too busy yelling at each other about worse games and ignoring genuinely fun ones.

>>383861142
overwatch doesn't have a subscription + expansions. And it's bad, but not worse, you can get everything by playing, even if the rng is shit. I know you are just shitposting so whatever.

>it's vocal minority pretends that their MMOs could have been popular or good if it wasn't for 1 thing

lmao every fucking time.

if FFXIV could survive having a disasterious 1.0 launch with the same name it has today that almost bankrupt square enix and killed the Final Fantasy series, any other MMO can do it.

>>383857671
fucking this, after watching that infamous hack job say hes basically withholding content so youll play other shit i just quit. not to mention theres been absolutely nothing to do once you reach 70. savage should have been released day 1 but seeing how easy its going to be, they would have lost half their player base so they wait to release stuff so you stay subbed. Devs really are smart, players are such massive cucks

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Pokemmo

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>>383861236
I don't know what that midget has, but Alisae makes me rock hard.

>>383861267
You should already know no one here plays games. These threads are just an excuse for people to post their preferred game while attacking anyone who doesn't agree.

Can one of you Final Faggots explain to me why the lighting in your game looks so bad? It looks like the goddamn ambient light is set at 50% at all times so everything has this washed out quality, there are no strong shadows and the local lighting can't contribute for shit.

>>383861093
Just use F-List. Easier, more variety.

>>383861381
Ali was fucking great this expansion as well, had a lot of good moments and was just generally fun to have around.

I'd be okay if both she and Alphy continue joining us in the future

>>383860846
He took a stupid liking to his fembot and wants to make reaction images out of her because it is his waifu.

No one else understand because only he likes her.

>>383860181
Second Dungeon was StormTalon's Lair right? Because that final boss stuck with me harder then any boss bar pre-f2p Rift which I only remember out of nostalgia.

>>383858860
The combat really isn't that good. PvE might as well not exist and PvP is hell unless you're NEET or buy your way to the top and continue to do so to stay relevant.

>>383861326
>defending overwatch
fag

>>383861369

I'm still waiting to see what they're going to do with their 'dev time' since they're only releasing 3 dungeons every 6 months now.

Boy can't wait to see what innovative gameplay they'll come up with, boy howdy.

>>383861124
What are some more games where women can have HUGE TITS?

Also, post more.

>>383861058
lol.

>>383861329

Final Fantasy has a massive fucking cushion because it's called "Final Fantasy". There is a pre-built audience of millions that will at least check out a game with that title on it regardless of how shit it might be and because it's the flagship title of a very well established company it gets plenty of dev support and attention that other smaller games wouldn't get when shit goes south in a hurry.

>>383861538
>bow howdy
did you write this post with a dildo up your ass

>>383861495
Yeah the mechanics were great

>>383861369
MMO players are sadly, really easy to milk for money.

Proof is how people are not only tolerating what Yoshi-P is doing, they're defending him.

>>383861441

F-list isn't a place to ERP, you just grab the kink list from it and ERP in better less furry places.

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>>383861424
You need to download a better shader

>>383861142

Jesus christ, is this guy for real?

>>383860253
But FFXIV PvP isn't as bad now either. I'm a hardcore PvPer , I've played dozens of MMOs and right now even with all its flaws FFXIV is the least cancerous and most tolerable.

>>383861593
FFXIV 7 years ago had the same name as it does today and it still flopped commercially in sales, critically in reviews, and almost killed square enix. brand name couldn't even save it. when they reboot the game, it's now a massive success. what did FFXIV reboot do right what so many dead WoW clones did wrong?