ITT: games that have aged like literal milk

>>383826679
Honestly, of all the 3D polygonal games made in the 32/64-bit generation, it's probably held up the best.

How? Besides some camera issues it is perfectly fine even to this day

>>383826679
you mean... cheese?

STILL GREAT FUN TO PLAY. I'd rather play this than Horizon any day of the week

>>383827167
Every level feels like an ice level, try playing it now it's literally unplayable.

>>383827234

>14 year old gay spaniard gets WR in a bracket only 2 people are competing for

simply amazing

>>383826679
Where's the rug?

>>383827383
excuse me?

as opposed to figurative milk?

>>383826679
>pic not related

>>383827383
what bracket?

>>383827401

What rug?

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>>383827401
You weren't supposed to notice

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>>383827297
i just finished mario 64 on retroarch last night and i can say that you're an idiot.

10/10 fun

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Sudeki

90% of video games dont age well

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>beat the game 120 stars not so long. >had a blast
>no problems besides some camera issues
Games don't age

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>>383827976
>>383827752
>>383827401

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>>383826679

>>383826679
Mario 64 literally gets better every year

>>383827126
Mario 64? Fuck no. Majora's Mask/Ocarina have held up the best.

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>>383827297
Oh, its you again.

Both Sonic Adventures. The first one especially.

>>383827297
>>383826679
That's >LITERALLY a lie, though.
I won't say Mario 64 is a perfect game like a lot of spergs will, but it's objectively a good game, even by modern standards. The only real issue is the camera, which isn't even a consistent issue. I don't even understand what you mean by saying every level is an ice level; you don't slip around a lot. You move quickly, I guess, but that's only an issue if you're generally bad at platforming games.
Mario 64 is still much more fun than most 3D platformers today. The only reason anyone doesn't like Mario 64 is if either they've never played it themselves, or they want to be contrarian.

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>>383826679
>literal milk

>>383827297

Mario carries momentum while grounded, it was intentional and it makes some of the tighter areas more challenging and satisfying. In the other 3d Marios he stops on a dime when you let go of the stick. It feels better to control but the overall platforming becomes less satisfying imo.

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Buffy for xbox

>>383828729
lel I had a demo disc with this on it

>>383826679
It looks fine. I'm glad I'm not as prissy as you. I can go back and enjoy any older game.

>>383828416

But those games were never good.

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>>383829059
I wouldn't go that far, but they've definitely aged like shit.

>>383826679
I quite enjoyed mario 64, even 2 weeks after it came out, the craziest thing was I didn't refridgerate it or anything. Bonkers

>>383829102
twitter tier reactions pics yes i love it baby

>>383826679
why has there been so much shitposting about SM64 lately

>>383826679
We knew the controls sucked back then. Aside from that, it's aged fine.

>>383827537
sarcastic milk*

>>383829250
Probably the same guy harvesting yous.

>>383829102

Ocarina of Time has aged as poorly as Sonic Adventure. It's not good. Take off the goggles.

>>383828426
Oh yeah, this was the example I was trying to think of.
Although, I feel like the second one aged worse. The first one definitely has much worse graphics, but the levels itself have way more variety than in Sonic Adventure 2.
>Way more Sonic levels, AKA the best levels
>Tails levels are essentially Sonic levels but with his flying gimmick
>Knuckles' levels are more or less the same
>Amy's levels are easy, but her hammer gimmick is fun
>Gamma's levels are more like proper platforming
>Big levels suck, but they're over quickly, at least
Compared to Sonic Adventure 2
>Sonic levels are more straightforward and are pretty much just "GO FORWARDS"
>Tails levels are fucking agonizingly long and slow; your movement is a fucking crawl, every challenge is just "hold B and then release B" and the level takes fucking ages because you walk so damn slowly
>Knuckles levels consist of 1/3rd of the game (and the levels themselves aren't really as interesting as the Sonic Adventure Knuckles Levels)
That all being said, though, they're both hard to play through nowadays, especially since I considered them both really great when they came out. The Chao Garden is neat but has also aged poorly. I really wish they'd make a modern version.

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>>383829334
>video games
>aging

>>383829250
Because it's the textbook example of a game that has aged like milk, this and Ocarina.

Mario 64 looked dated the moment Crash was released

>>383829443

I guess that's true. It was just never good and we were all just too dumb to know any better.

>>383829475
any more than one piece of bait at a time and you start to look desperate anon

>>383826679
>aged

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>>383829567
You're right and your opinion means a lot

>>383829558
>One long hallway
vs
>A huge open level
Objectively false.

>>383828391
nah psychonauts is fine, at least the gameplay is

>>383829698

Thanks, bro. Did you enjoy Breath of the Wild? It was pretty cool that Nintendo finally got 3D Zelda right, wasn't it?

>>383829819
I haven't played it yet

>>383828416
>20 FPS
>the best
At least Mario 64 has good framerate

>>383830073
No it doesn't, runs almost as badly

>>383829716
>huge
Mario 64 was pretty small, try Spyro.

>>383826679
Why is this board constantly being spammed by fags butthurt at the excellence of SM64? Is it that they can't control Mario as well as 6 year olds in 1996, or...?

>>383830203
They're huge compared to Crash levels.

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>>383830381
>excellence of SM64

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>>383830162

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>>383830481
Not an argument.

>>383830592
this... looks fun.

>>383828416
MM was outdated by the time it came out, and OoT is now completely obsolete.
You know what can keep games that have inferior combat and graphics around for a long time? Story
BotW will be forgotten before the end of the year

>>383830562
It's 30 fps with drops, in no way is that a good framerate for a platformer

>>383830481
>nostalgia goggle
>aged like milk
say why you don't like it instead you lazy cunt.

>>383830592
motherf- IT WAS THAT EASY?!!?

>>383830592
TOOL
ASSISTED

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>>383830664
Oh it is.
>>383830708
30fps was the standard max framerate for 3D games back then and is perfectly playable.

>>383828391
I adore the style and art in this game its so fucking cool

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>>383830708
>It's a, "stupid millennial who's never played anything that isn't 60 FPS assumes that anything below 60 FPS is unplayable" episode

>>383828416
b8

>>383830937
"Playable" sure in the sense that you can beat it but the same can be said of OoT. If anything the terribly low framerate is less of a problem there because the game does not demand precision, M64 does and feels like utter shit at 30 fps.

>>383826679
My best guess as to why posts like this exist is that for a certain kind of extremely sad nu-gamer, their whole reason for existing depends on the current state of games being the best. Since anyone from adults to small children can easily see this is not the case through examples like Mario 64, they viciously deny that it's a good game in order to justify spending $200 a day on CSGO skins. Thoughts?

>>383830937
Man this game looks like an early tech demo, just random spinning things made out of metal and nets.

>>383831184
No it doesn't. Stop looking for excuses.

>>383831216
Or maybe the game just doesn't play all that well now that we have higher standards?

Keep thinking up more elaborate theories though if it makes you sleep better at night, Nintendofriend.

>>383831118
>It's an "I have no idea what age range millennials are" episode

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>>383831291
>Being this desperate to come up with an actual flaw with Mario 64 instead of just "MUH MULK"

>>383831118
Most non pc games nowadays run at 30, what you're saying is utter nonsense. I grew up with the 4th and 5th gen and have seen my fair share of terrible framerates, it has nothing to do with age simply having some standards.

>>383831420
>It's an "I don't have an actual argument to your statement so I'll just point out an unrelated inaccuracy in your wording" episode

>>383831501
So you watched some youtube videos and act like a pretentious asshole now?

>>383831427
Sorry, it just looks awful. New Mario games at least have rhyme and reason to their design, things look like actual things now. Take a chill pill, fanboi.

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I'll post an actual example.

>>383831326
Yes it does, stop defending awful framerates because you have nostalgia towards them.

>>383831427
>Being this vicious about defending a 20 year old game on the internet
Are you going to be alright?

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>>383826679
what if it aged like bread?

>>383831184
Don't you have some Dota matches to play?

>>383831291
>>383831657
>Spinning gears in a clock, how unrealistic
You were better off with a food analogy.

>>383831650
Nah unlike you I actually play games, and notice things like input lag from low framerates making controls feel unresponsive to your inputs

>383831765
>Posting a reaction image is being vicious
You've had enough (You)s for today.

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>>383831835
>Mario's eyes

>>383831742
Stop acting like a pretentious faggot and realize that no 3D games ran past 30fps except Sega arcade games in 1996. There's nothing wrong with 30fps, despite what youtubers have told you.

>>383831875
Youtube videos it is.

>>383832063

Gran Turismo could run at 60 fps in PSX in Hi-Fi Mode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tmb7sz8c6Y&t=66s

>>383831861
Normally gears serve a purpose, they don't just float in the air spinning for no reason. What about the conveyor belts, rotating blocks and nets?

The level before the Bowser bossfights is even worse, it's exactly the kind of test level that developers make these days to quickly test out the controls/gameplay. Random blocks and shapes here and there with random textures.

Tried Zelda Ocarina a couple of years ago.

Its supposed to be great.

It felt mediocre at best. Awful story and gameplay.

>>383826679
OP, that literally doesn't even make sense.

>>383832063
>no 3D games ran past 30fps
And? That's one of the main flaws of the 5th gen which makes a lot of the games feel pretty shitty when you go back to them, I'm not making excuses for other low framerate games while shitting on Mario 64, unlike you who complains about 20 fps in OoT while being perfectly fine with 30 fps in Mario 64, a much more challenging and mechanically demanding game.

>>383832273
Zelda games all have awful stories tho, but yes it has aged like milk.

>these threads are always full of nintendo games
rly makes u think...

>>383832107
Input lag can't be felt from watching videos, shitposter-kun

>>383831742
Ok kid, listen, I'm not the one that is gonna say that N64 is the greatest console ever, not I won't deny that most of the games ran like shit with subpar FPS. Games like Zelda, Body Harvest, most shooters had low FPS, but that does not apply to Mario 64. This game actually has consistent framerate, drops are non-existent and it runs smoothly. This game, with some F-Zero X, Kirby and couple more, are the best games in term of speed on N64. Now if you still insist that it runs like shit then you clearly saven't play this game at all or you are running this game on a poorly written N64 emulator

>>383832334
I haven't complained about framerate once and never do unless its a ton of slowdown in certain games (like Gradius 3 or Double Dragon's arcade version). There's nothing wrong with 30fps, nobody complained back then and only pretentious fart inhalers who want to feel superior do now.

>>383832506
F-Zero runs at a fairly smooth 60 FPS, Mario 64 does not. Don't compare the two, the difference is night and day if you actually go back and play them instead of going by memory.

>>383832460

Many PSX (and some N64 games) have outstanding atmosphere, OST, story or character that holds up today so they don't age as badly as games that depend purely on gameplay or graphics that eventually become outdated

First Party Ninty games suffer from this, except the really old ones, which are so simple the gameplay can't get outdated

>>383832264
>I was okay with plumbers eating mushrooms and growing 10 ft, jumping on turtle shells, and turning into living metal, but a clock level with gears that just float there? That's just a step too far.
Wew, I'm glad I wasn't born with low functioning autism like yourself.

>>383832480
>Input lag can't be felt from watching videos
Yet here you are.

>>383827976
M-m-mandelaaaaaaa

>>383832784
Calm down, fanboi. Even if the game blows it's not the end of the world.

>>383826679
the graphics obviously aged but you cannot find a single N64 game that has tighter controls than Mario 64

>>383832686
>>383832686
It's still less problematic than your comparison to Mario and Zelda. 60 FPS and 30 FPS are both doable, Zelda runs worse and has drops, which are bigger dealbreakers than solid 30 FPS.

>>383832594
No shit nobody complained, it was novel. My mind was blown when I first played Armored Core to the point where I could just wander around the maps doing fuck all just being amazed by having a full 3D city block to explore. Nowadays however the novelty's long gone and you can look at the games in a more objective manner, and if you think that making games twice less responsive than they are at 60 fps is perfectly fine then you're either full of shit or barely play games.

>>383826679
SM64 is great, but the long jump and wall kicking trivialized the gameplay and allowed for way to many shortcuts.

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>>383832931
>A game having gears that don't do anything automatically makes it the worst game ever.

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>>383832784
lmao

>>383833056
Zelda is a simple, slow paced game that doesn't demand precise jumps or micro adjustments in your movement. If there's a game that doesn't suffer much from low framerates, it's OoT.

>>383833058
More objective manner doesn't mean focusing on the refresh rate of the game above all else. Got to love the implication that people back then were dumb and now only enlightened people who've watched some youtube videos like you know the truth too, vegan of video games right here.

>>383833127
No one said that though. People pointed out that aesthetics of Mario 64 look like programmers art.

Why are Nintendofriends extra tense today? Go fap to Rosalina or something.

>>383833058
I've never played a game which I felt was negatively impacted by being less than 60fps, then again, I also don't play games on console as much as I used to and I generally avoid devs like Bioware, Ubisoft, Microsoft Studios, and the like which were notorious for releasing shit games as well.

I think >>383833334 put it best, you fags are like the vegans of vidya.

>>383833334
Novelty clouds judgement, it's an obvious truth. The refresh rate is important if it affects how responsive a game is to your inputs, the main method of interacting with it.

>>383826679
That's literally one of the best examples of a 3D game that has aged well

>>383832264
>they don't just float in the air spinning for no reason
Nonsensical abstract floating block levels are far and away the best levels in any Mario game, be it 2d or 3d

I hate that you can't have a serious discussion about Super Mario 64 without everyone just referencing e-celeb maymays.

>>383833469
>No one said that though.
see
>>383832264
>>383831657
>>383831291
>>383832931
>inb4 THEY DON'T COUNT BECAUSE...REASONS!!!!!!!!!!

>>383831291
MODS

>>383833674
Where does it say that it's the worst game ever?

>>383833538
There isn't a world of difference between a game running at 60fps versus 30fps. Its not a huge factor of quality in any regard expect to video game vegans like yourself. You might as well shit on a 1950s movie for not being in color.

>>383833847
>I need people to outright tell me things in order for me to understand what they're saying.
Seriously man, I'm very thankful to not be born with low-functioning autism such as yourself.

>>383833671
Meh, you can't have very many serious discussions on /v/ in general.

>>383831694
All these years I thought his mouth was stretched but it was actually his hand all along.

>>383834012
So, nowhere? Okey dokey.

>>383833279
Dude, you're battling bosses, enemies, minigames forces you to aim and shoot precisely, and you are forced to do platforming without dedicated jump button. Wanna try that argument? Go with chess. Zelda is still action RPG, you need constant FPS if you want to do action right, hell, you want constnt FPS to avoid headache.
>Zelda is a simple, slow paced game
Not an argument, desu, stable FPS is a must.

>>383832063
rakugakids

>>383833489
No shit you won't find 30 fps a problem if you mostly play on PC where you don't have to deal with itthe vast majority of the time. Try forcing 30 fps in some action games and see how good they feel some time. I fucking wish I could play my 5th gen childhood favourites at 60 fps by just changing a setting instead of having to deal with clunky as shit sub 30 fps that fags like you will actively defend for god knows what reason.

>>383832506
My copy of Mario 64 has slowdown in lots of areas. The first star in Dire Dire Docks when Bowser's sub comes into view is a prime example.

>>383833671
You can't talk about fucking anything nowadays because people have a stick up their ass about practically everything that doesn't actually fucking matter.
>Ugh, the graphics suck, what is this, a PS2 game?
>God the story blows, how am I supposed to give a fuck if there's no narrative?
>30fps? Might as well play it on a calculator.
>Why is everything sexual? I can't enjoy a game if people see a female character with actual anatomy.
>Wait, they made it so the female character doesn't look like a hooker, I WON'T FUCKING STAND FOR THIS NEEDLESS CENSORSHIP!
>Why is this game so buggy and unfinished, I paid good money for muh early access game.
>Kek, fucking kikestarters, when will morons learn that it's all a huge scam.
>What, you're bringing up games that were actually decent kickstarter games, oh those don't count.
>Fucking devs catering to casuals, they should cater to fans like me who support them in their games.
>Buying games?! Do I look like a sucker? I always pirate.

>>383826679
The game has aged alright but the camera is still one of the worst ones in history

>>383834179
It's in the posts, you're just too dense to read between the lines a bit.

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>>383827297
"literally unplayable" lol you're a fucking faggot kid, go back to sucking Spyro's cock.

>>383834583
It's all in your head, take off your tinfoilhat and go outside to get some fresh air.

>>383834353
I've played Devil May Cry on the PS2 and I've yet to run into the issues that you're implying. Maybe you've just become rusty and you're blaming the fps instead of acknowledging that you aren't as good as you thought you were?

>>383834720
Maybe you're not running into the issues I'm talking about because DMC is either 60 or 50 fps (with the entire game being slowed down to compensate) depending on the region. Why are low framerate apologists so damn clueless?

>>383826679
All 3D Mario that aren't 64. The Galaxy ones in particular.

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There is not a single game that I stopped playing because it "aged". The only thing that ages is you. Some games might be fun when you are 5 and too retarded to understand obvious flaws in the game's design, but a good game will stay a good game, no matter how the industry evolves or changes. There are plenty of pre-6th gen games on N64, PS1, NES and other consoles that are fucking amazing, better than the stuff being made today even. Games aging is a stupid fucking meme, all it means is that your tastes have changed, possibly for the worse.

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>>383834857
Name a game that you feel suffered from this issue the most. Go on, off the top of your head.

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>>383827297
Yeah literally unplayable you guys should play something modern and better like Skyrim or fallout 4

>>383826679
played perfect dark yesterday
visually nauseating
n64 controller is dogshit for fps

>>383831694
The only bad things are controls and framerate, played it emulated with the mouse injector and its still great

>>383835063
Tenchu 2, took me a while to get used to that clunky mess after playing the sequels

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?26920-Games-with-3D-graphics-running-at-60-fps-5th-Generation-Consoles

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Itt: underage faggots saying stupid things.

>>383826679
Milk turns into cheese

>>383835063
The Crash games.

>>383826679
new vegas

>>383835081
Just download the mouse injector and play it at 60fps on an emulator
>inb4 some autist screaming muh fidelity

>>383826679
Found the 14 year old who just discovered emulation and ROMs

>>383831835
what in fresh hell is this

>>383835665
Mario Sunshine is the better game. I was born in 1999 and Mario 64 plays like shit.

>>383835741
its a secret project Nintendo will reveal soon inspired by crash bandicoot nsanity,
Mario 64 hd

>>383835868
lol

>>383834914
Anyone who claims games don't age is less than 20 years old -- this is a fact. There are tons of NES games that were considered good back then that no one would touch today, let alone anything pre-NES that you failed to mention. Where are all the people playing Pong?

It's just simple mathematical certainty. Humans only have so much free time. As the amount of media increases, the odds that an older game is worth spending time on decreases. Even if that game has not gotten any worse, over time there will eventually be enough games better than it released to shove it down into the "not worth spending time on" category right next to E.T. And Big Rigs. Games that rely on novelty are especially susceptible to this as games that do what they did but better come out.

Not to mention other factors like increased standards for UI and graphics.

>>383835890
Joke about it all you want but I could see Nintendo actually doing this after the reception N Sane Trilogy has been getting

>>383830698
>BotW will be forgotten before the end of the year

You wish. People are still discussing the game whether its detractors like it or not.

>>383827297
0/10

>>383827297
>try playing it now it's literally unplayable
I disagree. Still stands out for mario's movement options and sense of speed/momentum.

>>383836152

It has been getting DLC's and people shitpost about it, give it until the new Zelda gets released and I'm being generous

>>383836058
>There are tons of NES games that were considered good back then that no little casual faggot with zero appreciation for video games would touch today
Fixed for you, faggot.

What is the most blatantly objective lie you heard or read about SM64?
Personally, complaints about the camera not having a free 360 mode and being irredeemably fixed to not go beyond certain angles.

>>383836257
Yeah, if you don't think RC Pro-AM, Paperboy, Kung Fu, and Ice Hockey are the best in their genre you're a casual.

You're telling me that better games have -never- been released.

>>383826679
MGS1
MGS2
MGS3
Mass Effect
Ocarina Of Time

>>383830664
evil pigs in games

>>383836058
>Games that rely on novelty are especially susceptible to this as games that do what they did but better come out.
I disagree, older games that rely on gimmicks are less likely to age because modern games emphasize realism and thus less likely to improve on their unique gimmick.

>>383836867
>because newer games that are better and in the same genre exist, those that came before them are bad
What kind of fucked up logic is this? How can any game be good then? Its not like newer games are going to stop being made.

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>>383826679
This one's a doozy!

>>383837043
It's your logic, not his. Games aging doesn't mean they're bad, it simply means they're not as impressive as they once were when there was no competition.

>>383837043
>How can any game be good then?
Sadly, I think that's exactly what he means...newer games will ALWAYS be better than previous games, so all games are doomed to become bad once they become "old" due to better games coming to replace them.
It's a stupid logic, but I fear that's what he meant.

>>383837023

I spent a whole paragraph that you didn't read explaining the point. If a game was once considered great and is now considered good, that's aging. If a game was once considered worth playing and now is not, that's aging.

If you agree that better games come out, then you must, by definition, agree that if enough better games come out then some games previously worth playing will fall into the "I don't have enough free time to spare playing this when better games exist" category.

To prove me wrong, you'd have to say that better games will never come out from this point forward.

>>383837314
Meant to quote>>383837043

>>383836235
How is this different from any other series when a new game comes out?

>>383837023
Unique gimmicks are novel but not all novelty is unique gimmicks. If a game's unique then yeah, it won't "age" much. Most games criticized for relying on novelty too much aren't about unique gimmicks though, they're about impressive graphics, voice acting, cutscenes, big worlds, etc. Things that have long stopped being impressive thanks to advancements in technology.

>>383837004
Mass effect had its flaws, but the sequels did everything wrong. Even gameplay wise.

>>383837271
"games aging" is code word for being too much of a casual pansy to appreciate older games. Nothing but a justification.
>>383837314
>If a game was once considered worth playing and now is not, that's aging.
The problem is games don't change overtime. Its objectively the same exact game, you just have shit taste and can't accept it when people call you out on it.

>>383835070
You... I've seen you...
Let me see your face

>>383826679
FF7
Mario 64
Banjo Kazooie

Literally all early low poly 3D titles. I like them, but I suspect it's just due to nostalgia. I'm sure if I were a 2000's kid I most likely wouldn't like any of these games.

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>>383826679
Sorry, but I'd have to disagree. To this day I can play SF64 without any hesitations or criticisms. Sunshine on the other hand...

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Some texture mods and it looks new.

>>383835157
>mouse injector

how

>>383837654
Wait... I know you.

>>383837314
>If you agree that better games come out, then you must, by definition
>by definition
You have a very wrong idea of what "better" means.
Mathematically, better = greater, and bad = small
10000 is a greater number than than 1000, and 1000 is a greater number than 100, so of course 10000 is a greater number than both 1000 and 100, but just because 10000 is greater it doesn't mean either 1000 or 100 are small numbers.
And once 100000 comes, it'll be obviously a greater number than 10000, but still 10000 won't be a small number.
They might be smaller, but smaller is not the same as small, one is a comparative, the other is an absolute.
What you're doing is considering comparatives(better and worse) as absolutes(good and bad) when they're not.

>>383837636
I can appreciate older games just fine. Doesn't change facts. There's a reason no one finds Scramble impressive these days, while Gradius is still genuinely good only really being surpassed by its sequels.

>>383837307
You're illiterate, mate. I didn't say newer games are always better, I said that as long as humanity makes games eventually there -will- be better ones. And if there will eventually be better ones, there will eventually be so many more better ones that the older game is no longer worth playing as our time is limited.

For examples sake, around the time of the NES a top 100 games of all time list would contain a large chunk of NES games and some Atari, colecovision, sera, etc. games. What are the odds 30 years later that the list is entirely the same? Zero. If a given man only had time to play 100 games then any game that fell off the list has aged, in his opinion.

>>383837875
nigga this looks like those counter strike 1.6 mario themed maps

>>383837043
His core arguement is

>There will eventually be enough games better than it released to shove it down into the "not worth spending time on" category right next to E.T. And Big Rigs.

He not saying the previous games are bad. He's saying that if someone's intent is to play the most enjoyable games of a certain genre that fits their tastes, then their backlog will be so large they'll never reach those older games because they'll be so low on the list. That's what it means for a game to age. However, this doesn't mean older games shouldn't be played ever. There are other reasons a person might intentionally play "less good" games: historical appreciation, nostalgia, or maybe the game hasn't aged at all to that person because newer games don't have what they're looking for.

>>383826679
literal milk literally right now literally

Super Mario 64 is the ultimate fedora game.

>>383837686
What I like about low poly 3D games is that it forced developers to get a lot more creative with their games. This is why you see some of the most crazy level design in these games compared to later games. The unique controls also made many games feel so distinct from one another.

These days if you played on shooter than you likely wouldn't have a difficult time mastering the mechanics of another shooter since they essentially play the same with the only real differences being in what game engine they are on.

>>383828105
Just started this on my softmod box.

>>383838176
Yes, thank you, though I would say that nostalgia and historical appreciation are also part of what makes a game "good" and are an anti-aging factor.

>>383838347
t. TJ """Henry""" Yoshi

>>383838026
Yes, if you read other people's shitty opinionated list of favorite games (which will likely be full of recent releases) then that's all you will play if you prioritize this for some bizarre reason.

>>383838026
While your example looks adequate at first, it has one big fallacy.
>What are the odds 30 years later that the list is entirely the same? Zero.
Possibly, not certainly, but even if it is zero, there are stilla lot of chance that some games in that list might still be there despite being from the first generations of games.
Your argument implies that since eventually there will be better games, eventually all older games will be considered bad and not worthy, which is not true.
Some games relied on mechanics which were new at the time but extremely basic and boring now, so of course those games might be considered "bad", but there are a lot of games which, even by today standards in their respective genre, are still solid with good controls, good level design, and good mechanics.
Those games won't be considered "bad" in an absolute way just because better games will eventually come, because their gameplay is still good despite better ones existing.

>>383837980
If a game is not worth playing because it's a "10" or a "100" when thusands and millions exist, then it is in the exact same category as the small numbers. There is zero functional difference between a game that is "good but I'll never play it because so many better games exist" and "I'll never play it because it's just bad". This phenomena -does- exist and that is what people mean when they say a game has aged. None of them are claiming that the old game has somehow become worse.

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>>383838631
Scuttlebugs.
I raise that.

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>>383838914
QPUs.
I align that.

>>383838848
>there are stilla lot of chance that some games in that list might still be there despite being from the first generations of games.

Yes, and that is what people mean when they say a game has "aged well". Good job.

>Your argument implies that since eventually there will be better games, eventually all older games will be considered bad and not worthy, which is not true.

You can't just say it's not true without posting an argument. If you agree that, given enough time and assuming we continue to make games, a million games better than game X will be released, how can you say that game X will continue to be played?

>>383838859
>If a game is not worth playing because it's a "10" or a "100" when thusands and millions exist, then it is in the exact same category as the small numbers.
You're doing it again, considering smaller and small(or worse and bad) as synonyms with the exact same meaning, when they're not.
Your ignorance is not a good point to your argument.
>There is zero functional difference between a game that is "good but I'll never play it because so many better games exist" and "I'll never play it because it's just bad".
You're retarded.
There is a huge difference.
It's the same difference between "i won't play that game because it's bad" and "i won't play that game because I don't want to for X reason, regardless of its quality".
Sure, the end result is the same, the game won't be played, but we're not discussing if a game will be played or not, rather the quality of the game which make it playable or not.
What you're doing is trying to advocate the act of ignoring a game quality as proof of the bad quality of the game, "I won't play game Z because *reason*, hence game Z is bad", which is dumb to say the least.

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>>383839084
Two and a half A press.
I push that.

>>383827401
It's a common emulation error for that to disappear for whatever reason.

>>383839418
>how can you say that game X will continue to be played?
C64 games are still being played even if better games have been released for decades, and not only by 40 years old who grew up with it, replaying the same games over and over, but also by people who, for curiosity, try older games trying to not be biased only because they're older games.
This thing that you say won't happen is happening right now, so you have no proof that it will not keep on happening.
Time will tell, but as of now your argument has no solid bases.

>>383839527
> "I won't play game Z because *reason*, hence game Z is bad",

Did you just suddenly go blind in the part where I said a game aging doesnt mean it got worse, it only means it's not worth playing anymore (from an individuals perspective)?

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>>383826679
>things that are analogicaly literaly

>>383839565
OHHHHH

>>383839712
Why is 64 emulation still shit after all these years

>>383839814
>C64 games are still being played even if better games have been released for decades, and not only by 40 years old who grew up with it, replaying the same games over and over, but also by people who, for curiosity, try older games trying to not be biased only because they're older games.

Obviously if they aren't aware of the games quality they might accidentally play it, that doesn't mean it was worth playing. And "curiosity" or "nostalgia" are part of what makes a game worth playing and thus prevent a game from aging.

>>383837926
https://youtu.be/ziUMJB3id8I?t=2m2s

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>>383839565
OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>383826679
games dont age, you do

>>383839974
When N64 emulation was being worked on CPUs couldn't possibly emulate the whole system so the graphics use high level emulation via a computers GPU and DirectX/OpenGL. The CPU was also too powerful to be emulated at the time so it isn't emulated accurately at all. Overall just a clusterfuck but it was really only designed to get SM64 and OoT playable and then everybody gave up sadly.

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>>383839565
Oh~

An i the only one who finds the empty open works and music of mario 64 absolutely creepy as fuck?

>>383839974
Emulation is fine, the problem is that during the early 3D era the developers used the weirdest exploits and glitches to make some things happen in their games.

>>383839974
Because it has been in development hell for years, because 0 or no clear documentation hence a good portion of it is simulating hardware functions replacing them with similar current features of nowadays ahrdware/software rather than emulated, because some features used in the N64 are very hard to replicate even when the current technology is technically superior and theoretically capable to(things such as 3-point filtering).

tl;dr
N64 started and still is an approximation of how it should be rather than actual recreation, unlike most emulators.

Mario 64 aged better than most 3d platformers, but then again some of them were never good to begin with

>>383840445
So, I wonder why anyone doesn't build a new 64 emulator with current technology

>>383840143
You're missing the point, being that not all games will age, some are and still will be good for decades, while you keep on saying that since eventually better games will come, eventually all previous games will age.

>>383840726
like i said
>because some features used in the N64 are very hard to replicate even when the current technology is technically superior and theoretically capable to
And that, due to the lack of documentation, makes a huge portion of its features, even basic ones, so regardless of how powerful or good current technology is, it will still be a simulation rather than emulation, and as such, it will still have the same flaws it has now.

>>383839565
An A press is an A press you cant say its only half.
>inb4 Henry
No I just have half a brain unlike you losers.

>>383840739
>some are and still will be good for decades
For a game to not age it must be worth playing-forever-.

>while you keep on saying that since eventually better games will come, eventually all previous games will age.
Exactly, there are games that have aged and games that eventually will age. Nothing else.

If an individual is still playing C64 games the either
a) those games have not aged -for him-. He still considers the C64 game to be worth his time. (aging, being a matter of opinion, is always on an individual basis)
or
b) he is not aware or does not have access to games that would replace the C64 game. This does not disprove aging as a concept because he would play those games instead of the C64 game if he knew and could.

>>383830698
>story

Story and atmosphere. Which is why people are still discussing Majora's Mask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbMQfaG6lo8

Small as it was, Clock Town should still be seen as a benchmark for how to build a village that feels alive.

>>383837926
Skip to 1:50 here >>383840159

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>>383838914

>>383826679
as opposed to aging like metaphorical milk?
the metaphor is the aging, the milk is always literal

>>383830698
or gameplay, especially physics fuckery. its the same reason people still like sm64, the momentum that many games lacked at the time

>>383841840
that's what browsing 4chan daily does to you. you start adopting the dumb shit other retards write.

Anything that isnt mario or dkc on nes and snes

>>383840993
Okay Henry, we hear you.

>>383842043
Fuck no. I doubt Square-Enix will ever again produce a Final Fantasy as well regarded as 6.

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Most games on N64 did not age well at all.

>>383842293
7-15 are all better
Except 11 and 14 maybe

>>383842406
Even 12's story was all over the place. After that I didn't bother with the ones following it since I've heard nothing but bad things. Losing Nobuo Uematsu alone knocked the series down a peg.

>>383833538
ive never experienced input lag playing sm64. ive heard that can be a problem if you play it on n64 on older LCD screens. so im going to go ahead and assume that youre underage and never played it properly. i also dont get input lag on emulator

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>>383842323

Most games in the 5th gen didn't age well at all. I can only think of a handful that I still like in this day and age.

>>383827401

On that note, where's the sun in the middle?

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>>383837931
My face ?

>>383830708
There are framerate drops in SM64? When?!

>>383842323
This is true, but Super Mario 64 is one of the absolute best aged ones.

>>383844293
>>383834385

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>>383826679
an a press

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>>383837859
> This level

>>383831742
>30 fps
>Awful frame rate

God DAMN you are one spoiled little brat. Obviously, yes, 60 fps will always be better, but a smooth 30 fps is far from being even anywhere close to bad.

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>>383837859
>The melon level
>Getting Yoshi to that little island
>Pachinko machine
>The part where you have to squirt the panels to make a picture

>>383829250

Someone is preparing the hivemind for something new, likely in the same platforming genre.

They do this every time a pseudo-SM64 style game seems like it might come out.

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PS2-era and everything before it is just god awful if you try to play any of those games today.

The PS3/360 era is where they got it right I think, the graphics look nice enough and all of them pretty much share the same standardized controller layouts so it's not a fucking project to figure out how to play them. I find it hard to believe that those games will be unplayable at some point in time.

>>383847029
>people post shit like this unironically now

>>383831742
>stop defending awful framerates
>oh but haha OoT stands the test of time
uh huh

>>383826679
This is literally (littéralement (literalmente (wallahi))) the 3D game that has aged the best I have ever played.

>>383847029
>it's not a fucking project to figure out how to play them
?
????????????????????????????
how bad at video games do you have to be to have a hard time figuring out the controls
wtf nigga

>>383847029
underage get out

>>383847151

Check out some of the images here, too. One of them came straight from Wikipedia, filename intact and all.

And the OP's image has 4chan's numbered filename, but not enough digits. It's similar to the filename for >>383827976 , but that one's supposed to make you think that it was just made to prove the point about the missing carpet in the middle.

This thread is a farce.

>>383847716
Just be grateful that you weren't a gamer during the PS2 era, every single video game had it's own wonky control scheme, 2 hours worth of tutorials and instruction manuals.

Super Smash Bros 64 lasted about a year and a half before Melee fucking blew it out of the water.

People can argue about the order of quality for Melee Brawl and 4 all they want, but I see no reason why 64 is anything but the lowest.

Felt fresh when I played the remake on the DS so I gotta disagree.

>>383827401
Just noticed that lol

>>383828729
am i the only person in the world ok with dawn's character

>>383847915
>2 hours worth of tutorials and instruction manuals.
are you for real dude
did you seriously spend 2 hours playing tutorials and reading the manual before you played the game proper?
holy shit my man

>>383829250
>lately
Are you new?

>>383836140
Miyamoto literally just confirmed that he doesn't want to do mario remakes anymore.

>>383828278
>try to use common sense
Lol holy fuck.

>>383847996
on a comp level it plays pretty fucking different from any of the other games so I can understand why people prefer it in relation to that
casually I can't really say one way or the other, personally
I didn't play a whole lot of SSB64 when I was a kid

>>383848189
No, games had mandatory tutorial sections at the beginning of the game that could very well take 2 hours.

Also the tutorials back then weren't very intuitive, often they consisted of abrupt pauses with huge walls of text.

>>383834486
>decent kickstarter games
Name 3 (three)

>>383848378
anon I played plenty of games in the "PS2 era". only really shitty ones that needed to pad themselves out had tutorials that lasted for 2 fucking hours
stop trying to save face. you made a retarded point. just live with it

>>383839565
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>383848473
>you made a retarded point
>even though I agree with it

>>383848587
>only really shitty ones
i.e. the vast majority didn't
lrn2reed

>>383848469
FTL, Shovel Knight, Darkest Dungeon.
>inb4 lel those games are shit.

>>383848780
they are, though

>>383847996
64 is the lowest but it's still unique in design, especially with the characters all being toys on a desk rather than trophies

>>383848881
Right on cue.

>>383827126
The N64 Bomberman games aged perfectly.

>>383829250
soniponies slowly realizing that their brand sucks donkey fucking dick

>>383848378
Most games with tutorials during the PS2 era only had quick basic control scheme introductions lasting 1 minute at most and added visual prompts on screen for the new commands when you "unlecked" the feature(i.e. once you found a flashlight, a quick prompt, not at times pausing the action, told you to press whatever button to activate it).

At worse, they had "long" training sections, but those were almost always either optional, or when the theme of the game made them fit(you're a noob soldier, you get trained duh)

>>383849014
That's because you hardly age when you're mediocre.

>>383849475
They're probably the best games on the entire system.

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>>383826679
>replayed Mario 64 around 8 times in my life
>started watching speedruns
>try to do what these madmen do
>the game stops being fun forever

>>383829250
Sonybros butthurt that the PS has NO good IP that survived past a generation or two. Like how many of the big console sellers on PS2 do you remember seeing on PS3? Like serously?

>>383826679
played this for the first time about 4 months ago, nothing wrong with it. Controls just fine, how shit do you have to be at vidya to have a problem with sm64 controls?

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>>383839565
How will ''''''''''''Henry''''''''''''fags ever recover?