Is this the worst level in any Dark Souls game?

not even the worst ice level. ice caverns is garbage

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>>383815321
It's not picrelated (although I have a doubt which zone's respective boss is worse).

Lost Izalith is still the worst, and I think Shrine of Amana is still worse than Frigid Outskirts.

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>>383815321

>>383815321
Pre-patch Shrine of Amana.

>>383815321
I actually really liked the blizzard and those flying rape deers.

>>383815485
>ice caverns
what the fuck are you supposed to be talking about

>>383815629
What did patch change?
I played DaS2 right after release, completed it, and never returned to it.

>>383815574
How can one transwoman be so wrong?
That level was amazing

>>383815321
>not demon ruins from III
It had to be procedurally generated, cant prove me wrong

>>383815552
>he dislikes new londo ruins

lmaoing at your life

>>383815321
Black Gulch is objectively the worst area in the entire franchise.

OP, not even close, that area had a great atmosphere surrounding it and kept you on your toes.

>>383815938
The aggro range on every enemy was much larger than it is now. If you used a non-ranged build, the casters were bullshit.

>>383815321
yes by far

>>383815952
It wasn't procedurally generated, but it does look like they just reused Bloodborne assets.

As much as OP's area did suck it nowhere as bad as shaded woods, which is following the same shitty cant see anything formula, but done it in considerably less impressive environments.

>>383816082
As did black gultch. Worst area is lost izalith, no contest.

>>383816137
The casters also did twice the damage they do now, and the soul spears were much faster. It was hell.

>>383815321
blighttown and the gutter

>>383815321
Yes and even more knowing that this is a "secret" level that someone probably did in 5 minutes while shitting on the toilet

>>383815321
you just suck OP. Stick to Zelda and Mario games.

>>383815321
is this the Dark Souls of Dark Souls levels?

>>383816392
Blighttown is fine, what are you talking about? The only real issue it had was frame rate.

>>383816082
Black gulch was fine.
It was no the best area in the game by all means, but i actually liked it. I mean, comparing it to other das2 areas.

My vote is for amana.

>>383816436
Worse yet, the whole area is recycled from the concept of the zone beyond the broken arkstone in DS that never got released

>>383816496
Yes, the area people actively try to skip as much of as they can is fine.

>>383815972
>shitty identical cramped buildings
>boring environment
>ghost rape rooms
>worst boss in the series
The only redeeming factor is Darkwraiths for farming titanite chunks and slabs.

>>383815321
definitely, you can't even invade properly, there are only people with an army of phantoms who go through there.

>>383816137
>>383816365
Weird. I don't remember this at all and I never had trouble with it on release but I'm going back into again now and it's fucking me up

>>383815321

Plenty of areas in Dark Souls 2 compete for the throne of worst level design in the series.

>Snow area in OP
>Poison area right before the Rotten
>Harvest valley
>Shaded Woods

And then from Dark souls 1, the infamous

>Lost Izalith

These areas just make you ask "What the fuck were they thinking"

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yes, and pic related is the best

>>383815321
This is not Lost Izalith

>>383815321
That's not Blighttown.

>>383816679
Why is it bad then?

>>383816940
Dark Souls 3 is consistent, but underwhelming with it's level design. Nothing is as bad as the worst from other games, but nothing reaches the peaks.

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>ring ring

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>>383816940
Des:
>2-1, 2-2, 2-3
DaS:
>Royal Wood and Demon Ruins.
DaS2:
>No man's Barf, Harvest Valley, Earthen Peak, Grave of saints, Shaded woods, Doors of Pharros and The gutter.
DaS3:
>Farron Keep and Consumed King's garden.
Bloodborne:
>Every single fucking Chalice Dungeon, Forbidden woods (The snek part), Nightmare Frontier.

>>383817958
that's a good level tho

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>>383818064
*No man's Wharf

>>383816729
>worst boss in the series
Here's your (You). You worked so hard for it.

>>383818261
It should be barf.

>>383817958
People like to play up the mind flayers a lot but there's only like one actually annoying one in the entire level and it's on those spiral stairs. You know the stairs I'm talking about.

Also that level is pretty good but seriously overrated. And I'm going to take a quick second just to shit on world tendency because it's dumb even though that's barely related.

>>383815952
>demon ruins
Literally a chalice dungeon.

>>383815321
worst in terms of PTSD inducing experience or worst in terms of level design?

If it's the first, I agree

>>383815321
i finished every souls game except DeS and the Das2 DLC which i found too frustrating. Is there a build to make the DLCs a bit easier?

>>383818603
Tank build is pretty busted, from my DaS2 experience.

>>383818603
Download infinite life cheat.

Dark Souls 2 is not worth the effort or time, you will not get anything out of it.

>>383818603
But DLCs are best part of DaS2

>>383818548
I think the only part of world tendency that bothers me is having to backtrack through levels in order to figure out what it did. At least DeS levels are pretty linear and easier to get through than the nightmare labyrinth of DaS1.

>>383818598

Both.

>>383815552
New Londo
>looks good graphically
>level changes after you push the lever, you can explore even more
>comfy and spooky at the same time
Lost Izalith/Demon Ruins
>shitty, cancerous area with bosses now as enemies just shit around everywhere
>4 TERRIBLE BOSSES
>eye raping lava

>>383816679
Newfags skip it because it was memed into being an awful level and people forgot why anyone had a problem with it in the first place, which is framerate. It's one of the best levels in the game. It's better than Anor Londo. My faggot fucking friend used the master key to skip it on his first play through because of retards spouting lies online. Then he realized how manageable everything was from what little time he was there.

>>383815574
But that's literally the only good level in vanilla 2

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>>383818973
They're most definetly not the best part. They're unfair and unbalanced on purpose. I can't even fucking imagine what was wrong with the guy that designed the sunken city one. A scripted invasion by an NPC that can throw unlimited high level pyromancy at you and destroy all of your equipment is not fun, and really it isn't challenging. It's just straight up frustrating and bad.

>>383819071
>4 terrible bosses

I can only remember Fire Fat, Bed of Artificial dificulty and Cancerous Centipede.

Who's the other one?

>>383818064
>2-1, 2-2, 2-3
Not even half as bad as 5-2
>Royal Wood
what's wrong with it

>>383818338
He's right. I'd rather fight any DaS2 jobber than a gear check in the land of zero depth perception.

>You can meet Freja early in NG+ in an innovation that should've went forward in the series, and you see her spiders everywhere in the entire zone beforehand
>You can see a huge lava lake where you fight the Old Iron King from a mile away
>The entire Bastille is a prison for the Lost Sinner, clues of this are everywhere

>Go to Black Gulch
>Uhhh and then you go into a different area and fight a big meat man for no reason! LOL!

Fuck that area and fuck The Rotten. Garbage, both of them. Literally the worst boss in Dark Souls aesthetically, and considering that DS2's boss designs are significantly better than DS1's that's saying something.

>>383818986
Also the fact you basically have to play offline if you want to successfully manipulate it, and that the game never clearly communicates exactly what actions change it or why. And the game really doesn't do much to let you know why it's worth manipulating. It's a pretty poorly communicated and implemented mechanic even by Souls standards.

>>383818973
Not with those infinite poise enemies who are slightly taller than you yet don't flinch from a greatsword r2.

>>383818973
I finished the poison one and the bosses were nice but when i reached the blue Smelter in the fire DLC i uninstalled the game

>>383819481
This, I'd rather jump down the Flamelurker hole a million times than trudge through that toxic swamp.

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>>383819508
>Implying bosses in DS2 are not all just gear checks

>>383819448
Melty-Face Dickcharge.

DS2 was the worst of everything in general

thank you for reading

>>383818064
>das3
Farron keep, graveyard aka jus run until you unlock the elevator, irithyll dubgeon and capital, the whole irithyll part after the silver knights, anor londo

>>383819838
Didn't seem like it. They were total pushovers.

>>383819418
Well, i played them all on release with my end game character and didn't felt cheated at all. I can see how SofTS players can hit a difficulty spike

>>383819916
It at least has the best armors
>all that neck exposure in DaS3
What the fuck, From

>>383819938
>the whole irithyll part after the silver knights, anor londo

Irithyll is over after the Knights, dude. It's just a walk up some stairs and then you're in Anor Londo. Unless you mean the giants and the guys in the Drangleic gear, which is fun as fuck anyway.

Anor Londo is also legit. It's short, but sweet. The priests aren't any serious threat and you could beeline to Aldrich, but you'd be missing out on the Bloodborne dog if you did that.

>>383815552
I don't know what is about New Londo, but I feel an odd comfort while there.

>>383819670
>>You can see a huge lava lake where you fight the Old Iron King from a mile away

this is completely irrelevant. also black gulch was annoying, but takes like 3 minutes to get through if you're careful and then the rotten is a pushover

>>383819916
It had the best online mechanics, even with soul memory, and it had the most fun magic as well.

I hate the darklurker.

>>383818603
Remove all armor in boss fights because they're hitting their damage caps on you no matter what and you may as well get a better roll in exchange. Then 2-hand your weapon. That's all I did.

Oh and if you're struggling with some of the regular enemies that don't stagger easily, just 2H a greathammer and press R2. They'll never be able to stand up. It even works on the reindeers that make that snowy area a bitch.

>>383819481
For some reason world 5 didn't bother me as much since i knew what i was getting into just by the name. Is 5-2 with the really big swamp where you stand in little islands as you move foward?

My problem with Royal Wood is personal. I find it boring and mediocre because it lacks the charm that Darkroot has since there's literally nothing in there other than trees, stoneman and some faggot scarecrows. Whenever i reach that i area i just think, "I wish i was fighting Artorias already".

>But it's a forest, what the fuck did you expect other than trees?

>>383819856
Damn this guy was annoying. I couldn't figure out how to beat him in an honest face to face battle, somehow my dodges never worked. Ended up cheesing him from behind that giant boulder

>>383815321
It's really not all that bad with the Fume UGS
Ice elks can't deal with that thing

>>383815574
I don't know why but I love exploring this level. Maybe it's just exploring through the dark with a torch and lighting sconces along the way.

>>383820257
Nah I am talking about the part after sigmeyer and where you can getb smoughs armor. There is the part where everywhere are 2 dogs and some chameleon magician. Also you need to walk all the way again if you die.

Anor londo is ugly because it's the streamlined version of das1. No exploring of the castle/church, just here is the giant! And here is the hallway. You mean spider right? Dog was on the bridge

>>383820587
I'm triggered just thinking about it. I played a melee character and almost used up all of whatever item was needed for each attempt

>>383817554
looks like diarrhea, brown and liquid
annoying constantly respawning mosquitos
toxic darts faggets on top
poison swamp

but there are far worse areas
hell, even anor londo is worse, the bossfight and the painting room were the only good things about it
and everything past anor londo is just... ugh

>>383819670
>DS2's boss designs are significantly better than DS1's that's saying something.
All those big dudes in silly armor sure are more aesthetically pleasing.

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>>383815321
>he doesn't like rape ponies
What a fag

>>383820507
>this is completely irrelevant.

You, at least, see his arena beforehand so you get some idea of what he's going to be. The Rotten's arena is literally just shoved there, it's lit differently and is on fire for literally no reason. He's the worst.

>the rotten is a pushover

This isn't salt. I liked DS2 and think that despite its flaws it has amazingly high peaks, but The Rotten and the path to him is easily the worst part of that fucking game.

>>383816894
To be honest, aside from the eye-gouging lava glow I didn't mind lost izaleth, I thought the area and castle looked pretty neat, and I thought the chaos eaters were cute

I really fucking hated the gutter and whatever area it was in 2 with the poison castle where you fight the snake lady. Also OP is right, but I thought it was a really unique area for any souls game, with it being so fucking gigantic and long, it was an interesting change from the relatively tight castle corridors for a lot of 2

>>383816894
so many people dislike black gulch, it makes me wonder whether they realised you just had to sprint through it

it's pretty much a corridor with enemies jumping out on you onceyou run past them, it even had 2 or 3 invaders in the end if you were in human form. Everything just screams "RUN", even the way those worms appeared from their holes

>>383815841
Maybe he confused Seath's crystals for ice?
No idea otherwise.

Worst levels
>DeS
Valley of Defilement 2
Shrine of Storms 2 (no fucking shortcut)
Stonefang Tunnels 2
>DaS
The Depths
Demon Ruins/Lost Izalith
New Londo
Catacombs
Tomb of Giants
Duke's Archives+ that crystal area afterwards
>DaS2
The Gutter
Black Gulch
Iron Keep
Shrine of Amana
A bunch more I can't remember the names of
>Bloodborne
Nightmare Frontier
Hunter's Nightmare (you know that first area is ass)
Upper Cathedral Ward
Hypogean Gaol
Yahargul Unseen Village
>DaS3
Road of Sacrifices
Farron Keep
Smoldering Lake/Ruins
Irithyll Dungeon
Anor Londo
King's Garden
The Tutorial: Dark Edition
Grand Archives
All of Ariandel
Everything before Demon Prince

>>383821346
And that's still a terrible excuse for an area.

>>383820818
>There is the part where everywhere are 2 dogs and some chameleon magician

Okay, yeah. The run to Sulyvhan is rough, but the area after him is great.

>No exploring of the castle/church, just here is the giant! And here is the hallway.

Well, yeah. It's the Anor Londo chapel that the entire city was built around. It's your destination in DS1 not because you know where to go, but because you see it and think "fuck me, that's important". Of course you don't see the rest of it, just THE place.

>You mean spider right? Dog was on the bridge

I mean the Deep Accursed hanging from the ceiling. The one that spooked the fuck out of me and looks like a Bloodborne monster. I can see now how it would seem confusing, given that there's another dog that's a reskinned Bloodborne boss.

worst swamp coming through.

I liked valley of Defilement.
I liked Blighttown.
I didn't mind Gutter and Gulch.

But every time I think of replaying DaS3, when I remember pic related, I decide not to.

Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to make this a mandatory early area?

At least you could put off Valley. You could put off Blighttown. And Gutter was even designed to be put off till later.

But Farron keep? literally unavoidably 4th in the Dark souls 3 railroad express

>>383821506
None of those BB levels are bad, but i guess they might be the worst.

>>383818064
>DaS2
>all those interesting top quality levels such as no man's wharf, grave, shaded woods and doors
what a shit fucking taste you got there

but at least you got everything else right.

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>>383821650
>DaS2
>all those interesting top quality levels

>>383821580
>>383821669
Just bust out a dagger. It did pain me to hear there is no Rusted Iron Ring. Also, no Orange Charred Ring made lava items a pain in the ass.

>>383821621
Nightmare Frontier is a visual mess and just very uninteresting with a retarded shortcut. The rest are meh. The game gets boring after Rom.

>>383820618
I don't think it's great, but it isn't bad in a way that like frozen outskirts is or whatever, it's just a slog to go through after the first time and second time.
But that's how I feel about the latter part of the game in general

>>383821506
>babby haet poison: the post
Get good

>>383821506
>Duke's Archives+ that crystal area afterwards

The Duke's archives is literally the only thing in Dark Souls post-O&S that's worth a damn, take it back.

>Hunter's Nightmare (you know that first area is ass)

Where does the first area end, in your mind?

>Upper Cathedral Ward
>Hypogean Gaol
>Yahargul Unseen Village

Plain terrible. Yahargul is perfectly fine until you get down onto the streets where it can become frustrating for the same reason that one street in the Ringed City is terrible, and the other two are fantastic.

>Grand Archives
>All of Ariandel
>Everything before Demon Prince

Nigga what the fuck?

>>383815321
No. It's The Worst Level.

>>383821783
drink some more of /v/'s "das2 is bad" kool-aid

>>383821506
>The Depths
What the fuck? I loved the depths

>>383821787
it wasnt just the slowswamp, it was just the whole experience is ass.

it's easy to get lost, there's those giant dragon fuckers with the trees, you've got the goat enemies, ESPECIALLY the jumping goat enemies... and you have to find those 3 torches. And then there's the climb to the keep itself, which is dumb, but the swamp itself, man is that a shitshow

>>383821669
It never bothered me in 1.0, but it became a pain in subsequent updates now that they buffed poison from literally nothing to a nuisance. If you complained before then, you're a fool. The area is fine aside from that.

>>383818603
I don't want to just say "git gud" but the bosses of the dlc's are crazy tough, some of the hardest in the entire series (fume knight, sir allonne, the tiger(s), blue smelter, the poison dragon) and beating them is a lot of effort to put in. I would say just make sure your weapon and shield is upgraded as best as the can be and really get those dodges down (for fume knight I found that if you dodge toward him and slightly right you can avoid literally any attack he makes, barring the AoE and slow sweep).

As for the levels, I only took my time on crown of the ivory king, iron crown I just put on the cats ring and kept jumping down the long falls, and I remember running through most of sunken king, the enemies have infinite poise and turn like they're on a lazy susan so it isn't much fun to fight them.

>>383821902
You're 100% right but i just can't help myself. I hate it.

>>383821580
>>383821669
Absolutely thoughtless enemy placement too.
>"let's place these three godzilla fucks right here"
>"why?"
>"to guard an item I guess"
>"what is it?"
>"a poison gem"
SO FUCKING WORTH IT

>>383821346
I liked the rafters part of it, but it could have been better if it was more like blighttown.
Dark Souls 2 areas as ideas, if they had DS1 level design, could have been fucking amazing.

>>383821923
Who said I had trouble with poison? Also, notice how Blighttown isn't listed.

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>>383815321
It's bearable with the npc summons.
This is hell even with summons.

>>383821506
You don't even like the fucking games. Kill yourself.

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>>383821957
I have been calling Dark Souls 2 shit ever since i saw the first trailer and gameplay video. I have been laughing at Dark Souls 2 faggots ever since it was released and i honestly miss the thousands of posts of dissapointed anons. That kool-aid is made of my cum.

>>383815321

Nothing beats Izalith

Nothing

>>383822251
yeah, that was insulting

>>383816729
>>worst boss in the series

nigger

>>383822183
>Beat the Poison Dragon without dying
>Beat Allonne in two shots

>But have to upgrade an Estoc to 10+ so I can cheese Fume Knight

That entire DLC sucked. Ivory King is by far the best one, the final boss is so fucking good.

>>383822590
Except the level posted in the OP.

>>383815321
For me it was that + the way to blue smelter demon and to Sir Alonne - died so much there that mobs stopped spawning. Sir alonne raped me a lot in my first playthrough. I love every zone in DS1 and DS3 though. Even blightown was cool if i had a shit ton of plants to consume.

>>383820903
I mean, I know what you mean, but I'm a really big fan of fantasy suits of armor in all styles, so it was kind of a blast for me

>>383822610
But there are no nigger bosses in Souls series?..

>>383815321
Yes by far the worst

>>383822675
Sunken King had great level design and shitty boss fights
Iron King had one solid boss fight and garbage levels

Ivory King had fantastic level design and excellent boss fights. Long live the King.

>>383819071
I dunno, I thought it was pretty novel boss design to have Bed of Chaos try to burn out your retinas after you die

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>>383822901
>picrelated clearly is a negroid

>>383820903
>silly armor

The armor on all the bosses is pretty cool actually. If you wanted to talk silly armor, the Ornstein plume looks retarded, and so does Smough's inexplicably fat armor. I always hated both of those sets.

Anyway, the designs of DS2's non-human bosses is way better than DS1's overall.

>>383815321
Stop with this Dark Souls 1 cant do no wrong.
It had the worst areas in the series.

>>383821346
That is objectively wrong. You can't sprint past the worms, they block your path no matter how fast you're going.

>>383819670
>have to explore a garbage area
>boss is literally made of garbage
Sounds thematically consistent to me

>>383823152
lol

>>383822610
anything wrong faggo?

>>383822901
Covetous Demon is black though

He steals your shit in the fight if you're not careful

>>383821957
I played through the whole fucking thing plus dlc, I can say without a doubt I didn't like a lot of the areas. Most likely because the couldn't all have so much detail packed into them because of the massive size of the game (like, really, it has to be at least twice as long as ds1, not that its a bad thing, I love me more dark souls) and with so many areas, some of which barely take even a minute to walk through, a lot of them get lost in my memories. I can remember and recount every area in ds1 in order, but I can't remember the huge amount of areas in 2, there's just so fucking many. I have a lot of fond memories of playing through two, but ds1 had a lot tighter focus and greater differences between its levels. So many places in ds2 were brown or grey castle corridors, and I probably couldn't tell you which was which I you showed me picture of them.

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>>383820954
DELET

>>383815952
>>383819360
>>383820792
Not the guy who posted the pic, but holy shit how can people be content with such a low attempt knockoff blight-town? The area is barely even designed, and is just a confusing mess of annoying pathways where hollows do unreasonable damage with dark weapons. Oh and it doesn't even have a fucking boss, or any unique enemies.

The only saving grace of that shitter is that at least the area is short. Not that the area that comes after is any fun to go through..

>>383819508
at least the 4 kings were a unique concept and setting with an interesting backstory, they gave you a lot more information about them than you normally get about some of the other bosses

not every boss fight has to be hit, dodge, wait for stamina, repeat
and as for being a gear check, the 4 kings expose a weakness that a player with low magic resistance may not have known that he had
after you beat them, you will have a better understanding of the game, which i think makes it exactly what a boss fight should be

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>>383815629
You shitters keep overexaggerating SoA's difficulty, but I completed pre-patch DaS2 last month with a pure STR/no bow build and the only thing I died to was demon of song. I had more trouble with the Iron Keep archers than this entire area. I mean nigga, just roll through the magic bolts, like just roll through them. Because either I'm somehow an amazing greatsword player (doubtful) or you fags are a bunch of posers trying to impress the SotFS crowd.

>>383823904
>and as for being a gear check, the 4 kings expose a weakness that a player with low magic resistance may not have known that he had

Yeah, and then the player can go pump points into his RES just like From intended!

>>383822675
I fucking despised the iron king boss fight, I didn't see a reason to have to fight 11 or 12 charred knights with once again infinite poise while dodging multiple pyromancies at once before you can even fight the real boss.

My favorite fight wad probably fume knight, finally getting down all the dodges and hits and having to be absolutely perfect to win with figuring out the perfect window for estus was exciting and crazy challenging

>>383823904
Oh my, a person whose words I can agree with. That's a rare sight here indeed.

I really fucking wish From would get over their "Le Poison Swamp of slow walking" fetish

>>383824082
Or maybe use a magic shield or stack ele res gear you ape?

>>383815629
Why do people spout this meme, like I actually do not fucking understand

I get why people overrate the difficulty of some things, like flamelurker, but shrine? The dragon shrine is harder pre-patch with the hammer bros of endless rape

>>383824082
or you could just go through your entire inventory and use everything youve got to increase magic resistance

>>383823969
>only thing i died to was demon of song

wtf how?

>>383824386
>hammer bros of endless rape
people actually bother fighting them instead of simply running by?..

>>383824593
>Run by
>Suddenly every scalie in the area aggros you

Just give them the fair fight they want, you dummy

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>>383823969
>the only thing I died to was demon of song
literally fucking what?

>>383824593
But they drop the best weapon in the game!

>>383824707
>Suddenly every scalie in the area aggros you
never happened to me (at least in vanilla game).

>>383824841
It only happens in SotFS and SotFS is canon

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I've played every souls game, every dlc, did all the content available, even the shittiest of chalices, and this is the only boss I have never been able to beat. Even the area leading to it is bullshit

>>383822461
where are the lava tunnels even at? I have no clue how to acess them.

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>>383824584
>>383824737
I was retarded and kept standing in front of it, and eventually it jumped back and charged me. Rekt it on the next try. Again, shit was harder than the actual level, which I breezed through.

>>383824386
>pre-patch with the hammer bros
Fun fact, they actually stop to readjust if you get behind them. Which isn't all that difficult considering all the rotating mooks the rest of the game has.

>>383824965
you just have to follow its tail
using gear with fire res also helps

>>383824965
It's designed to be an unbeatable super-boss, but it's actually relatively easy if yo can get under its legs on the first try. Once it's aggroed, it's nearly impossible.

It being a 'fake' dragon is fucking retarded, by the way. Can we not let a spade be a fucking spade? Does it have to be made from the secret soul of a giant like the Emerald Herald was, for some fucking ridiculous reason?

DS2's story really is the worst. God, its lore was just terrible.

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>>383825075
>breezed through Shrine of Motherfucking Archdrakes and Priestesses of Unceasing Rape and Agony
>died to Demon of Foreskin

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>>383815321
>power stancing any short swords beside black dragon or drakekeeper

>>383822461
I gave up on it, and DS2 is the only game with bosses I haven't beaten. I thought that tunnel was never-ending in my first few attempts, there are like 8 passages before the boss full of fucking incredible enemies.

>>383824965
This guy is hard until you get its rythm down. The real eye-opener is that none of its attacks is determined by RNG, it literally alternates between fire-from-above and whatever attack your position forces it to do.

>>383824965
the area is fine, you just don't hit the dragon knights and they bow and leave you alone.

the boss is shit though

>>383824841
I just did the ancient dragon fight and only the hammer guys chased me

>>383815569
But Shrine is thhe ultimate git gud zone. Its amazing.

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>>383825338
>can kill cumsprayers and barefoot runners in two hits
>frog can kill me in two hits
Being a glass cannon is suffering.

>>383815569
>Lost Izalith is still the worst
How? There's absolutely nothing in the area

>>383824965
I beat the ancient dragon for the first time today in 1 try. I just ran around its feet while it stomped or breathed fire through its legs. Any time it flew in the air I ran straight for its tail to avoid the fire. 3 minutes later the fight was over.

>>383818064
for DS3 it would be Smouldering Lake, why they tried a mix between Ash lake and Lost Izalith I will never get

>>383815629
Git gud faggot it's the best area in the game.

>>383825793
Miyazaki wanted to redeem himself for Lost Izalith
Ended up horribly

Shit as in extremely frustrating or stresful (often good design wise but painful to play through)
> Shrine
> Gutter
> Research lab

Shit as in mediocre or boring
DeS Lava Tunnels
Smoldering lake
Dukes Archive

Shit as in bad idea and or implementation
Lost Izalith
DaS2 Coop areas
Grave of Saints

>>383815321
The area is intended for coop. Playing through it with friends is actually a blast.
>waiting out the storm in those buildings
>making the mad sprint when the storm lets up
>nervously on the lookout for reigndeer
Of course, its another argument entirely if there should be coop areas at all. Soloing it sucks, but it really wasnt meant to be played that way.

>>383825793
>Ash Lake, where the Age of Stone went to die, is now full of fire, representing that the Fire is finding root at the bottom of the world, and implying that Dark may one day face the same fate even if Kaathe has artificially manufactured it
>Literally nothing about it in-game, except "lol we stuck a sandworm down there because we thought it'd look good in the screenshots"

It's fucking bullshit

>>383825851
He'd better redeem himself for that abortion called 4cucks... well nice things can never be had I guess.

>>383818973
They are, but they are also frustratingly hard. Same way as Oolacile Township was.

>>383825475
It's fucking brutal, but it does unlock the allonne boss fight which is really really good. Only problem is, it just about isn't worth it, since fume knight is arguably a better boss, at least in terms of gameplay. Aesthetically, allonne is fucking amazing though

>>383815321
Horsecock Valley is so disappointing because it could have been a great area. It had the right idea. Just that the reindeer enemies were fucking horrible to fight

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>>383826052
>shitting on best boss
Away with you!

>>383819670
>and considering that DS2's boss designs are significantly better than DS1's that's saying something

What the fuck.
Stuff like the The Duke's Dear Freja, Scorpioness Najka, Mytha, Covetous Demon and The Old Iron king, etc seem like an improvement from Dark Souls' aesthetic?

Dark Souls 2 has so many bosses (and enemies) that seem half-finished in the way they're animated and designed.

the worst level is the one before the blue smelter demon in the second dlc or the one before the gank squad in the first dlc

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You're not a man until you beat these guys without summons

>>383826187
Shit, maybe I did finish it then. I thought it led to Blue Ranch Smelter, or the three-guy boss. I didn't beat those faggots.

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>>383826216
>still memeing about this shitty "boss" being best
It stopped being funny when the autistic hater was gone so you can stop too, now.
Also, 4queens would be an infinitely better choice for a boss in this case.

>>383815321
I thought Ash Lake was a huge disappointment, kept hearing how cool it was then you're there for like 10 minutes.

>>383821506
Do you even like the series? what the fuck

>>383826364
when will this meme die the gank squad isn't even hard

>>383826384
>4kins hater is also a waifufag
Explains a lot.

>>383826306
I can't believe I spent I don't know how many times going through there just to clear out the enemies in the area just to make the slog to the boss fight a little more bearable

>>383826384
>4 kings
>KINGS
>they're all women for some reason
autism

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>>383826364
Eh, I did it on the first try and never even expected to summon anyone (actually, I prefer solo-ing EVERY boss I encounter, and only made an exception for Knight Reimu and Sinh). It's barely even a bossfight, just running around with three random literally who NPC faggots which don't even seem like they belong in there.

>>383826624
King(female)

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>>383826624
*KINGS (female)

My memory is too awful to remember which zones I disliked but I'm doing ringed city right now and the part where you play hide and seek with the angels spitting lazors got old real quick

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>>383826624
>not wanting this shitty retarded boss to redeem itself by being turned into 4 lewd monstergirls
I thought entire /v/ was into that kind of things.

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>>383826887
monstergirls are furry shit, i miss when anything anthropomorphic was an immediate ban

>>383826367
>three-guy boss
was this in one of the dlcs?
i dont remember that

>>383827060
see>>383826364

>>383824965
ancient dragon seemed impossible until i saw a strat where you get the dragon stuck in an ez pattern
It was something like, attack back foot from the toes, dragon moves, run to the front feet and attack, dragon moves, back to the back feet

>>383826795
The other enemy that does that is arguably worse because they're mobile and don't stay dead, but at least you can kill them in the short term with conventional methods.

>>383826364
holy fuck i never fought these guys, is this in iron king? where? how the fuck did i miss a boss fight, shit.

>>383826987
>this >>383826887 is furry shit
get a load of this fag

>>383827196
other enemy?

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>>383827269
you called it a monstergirl, monstergirls are furry. deal with it, emerge from your pit of denial

>>383815552
No way fag. Chasm of the abyss is much worse with invisible 2-shot kills and unironically the worst boss of all souls games.
>slams you
>glitches your laying down iframes
>abuses mid-air vulnerability

>>383827251
Sunken king. Also, the reward is a tutu. Literally a fucking FLOWER TUTU.

>>383827251
Sunken King. You might even have fought but forgotten about them

>>383825265
>its lore was just terrible.

http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/search:site/q/unknown%20origin

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>>383827364
>Manus
>unironically the worst boss of all souls games
Now you went too far nigger.

>>383827307
Beware open bridges, friend. They're never a good time.

>>383827341
>monstergirls are furry
Even if they don't have fur? Like dragon girls, lamia, or slimes?

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>>383827406

>>383827410
>>383827406
ohh that makes sense, i thought it was weird that sunken king only had two boss fights, one of which fucking sucked (dragon lady, who even remembers her?)

i want to give them a try, are they on like, the other side of the city or something?

>>383827483
He's shit for strength builds. Ceaseless is real fun, 3-shotting a giant creature.

>>383827594
>Elana
>dragon lady
The fuck? Or did you mean Sinh?

>>383827437
jesus christ

>>383827594
>Literally a worse version of the already god-awful final boss

What a horrible time. At last Sinh was good.

>>383827702
She's a dragon fetishist.

>>383820954
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuphOxBX8YI&ab_channel=DJDarkMusic

>>383827776
nah, she was just singing lullabies to him.

>>383826364
this is super easy.

Poison cloud, then run in circles until they die.

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>>383827656
>Ceaseless is real fun
no fucking way is this a human that exists

it must be some almost-sapient pile of congealed shit taste

>>383823794
>knockoff blight-town?
You meant Valley of Defilement.

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>>383827594
There is a locked door just after the bridge where Sinh comes to greet you a second time. Should probably have the key now.

>>383827907
>somehow enjoys monotonous minutes-long fights
>somehow enjoys applying the same set of moves at different times like a rubik's cube
Ceaseless cheese is funny and original. Now go waste mental energy somewhere else.

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>>383827901
>using items

>>383815321
>optional area with coop boss

Not even close. Shrine of Armana is pure garbage that's not pleasing in literally any way.

>>383828038
>Ceaseless cheese is funny and original
yeah i fucking cheesed ceaseless too, asshole. it was a monotonous 5 or 6 minute long fight of running through the little tunnel, fishing his slam, hitting it, then fishing his slam again. it was fucking boring

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>>383823794
>you will never play the original version

thanks consoles

>>383828182
Do you always turtle like a pussy?

>>383828189
>implying you would be allowed to explore at least 1/4 of those "expectations"

>>383828268
only for the worst boss fight in any souls game, bar none.

had a better time fighting bed of chaos, easily

>>383828380
I can accept that if you did the firebomb trick. Otherwise you played the game wrong and are ashamed to admit it.

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>>383828372
Even those 1/4th are more interesting than a bunch of wooden boxes in a dark cave with three turd-columns.

>>383828380
>bed of chaos
>braindead puzzle boss of random handswipes, falling tiles and inflammating floor
>fighting

>>383815841
>>383821385
>Didn't explore all of Eleum Loyce
>Didn't meet Jabba V2

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>>383828653
>turd-columns
Don't remind me. That was just embarrassing.

>>383826364
Not even hard

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>>383817958
>that staircase

>>383828863
Oh man what orientation in 3D space is this in?

>>383815321
Just summon the NPC phantoms to tank the hits.

Dismiss them at the fog gate if they're somehow still alive.

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>>383826624
This king would like to say hi.

>>383828708
it was fine for me because i beat it in two tries. watching everyone sperg out about it is always funny when it caused me literally no trouble. barely got any swipes, and it never even used the fire scythes

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>>383828863

>>383828863
I think there was a Heineken bottle there

>>383828863
Incredible

>>383829205
what the fuck

>>383829205
DEEPEST LORE
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>>383829219
>>383829205

>>383828863
the concept is neat even if the execution is garbage

>six (-6-) fucking captchas in a row
did mods go fucking nuts?

>>383829205
Where is this?

>>383822251
You do know you get a special weapon if you kill all 3 right?

>>383829528
Grave of Saints.

>>383829528
It was in the statue-puke in the Grave of Saints but was taken out (at least in SotFS).
There are still tons of other QUALITY moments in it like the copypasted shitjars from DS1.

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>>383829507
>it's a click until there's no pictures with Cars left episode
>there were no cars to begin with
Also, did this guy scare you when you first saw him?

>>383828863
dark souls 2 just might be the game with the most innatention in the entire universe
>falconer bugged animations
>various monster animation lods from distance are just them floating or flailing
>game just refuses to process animations sometimes, bosses and players skip animations
>completely rehashed engine yet you can still tumblebuff the same way you could in dks1, albeit harder
>monsters literally have hitboxes that extend on their entire model and linger for seconds (dogs in gutter that can literally hit you while you are behind them)
half of this shit has to do with the terrible animation framework they use or whatever, it's even worse than dark souls 1 where you could cancel backstabs by attacking the enemy

>>383829776
No
I was more annoyed

>>383829776
I immediately thought it was a Gollum rip-off.

DS1 is a single level of garbage.

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>>383829839
King's Passage as a whole is probably the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen in a semi-high profile video game.

>>383815321

Those infinite Stam hammer knights in the dragon shrine say hi

>>383830119
Honestly speaking, every Souls game suffered from rushed developement so badly it's genuinely saddening. Thanks Bloodborne. If not for you, we might've had a quality series.

>>383818064

>2-1
>bad

>No Man's Wharf, The Gutter
>bad
>not the best levels in base DS2

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Jesus Christ how can people play this garbage when literally nothing on the screen corresponds with the actual hitboxes? DS1 is such a piece of garbage.

>>383820792
it's a bad level but I get autistic satisfaction from lighting up the torches

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>>383830119
As soon as you begin looking around you can see the insane inattention, it seems like they were trying really hard to cut corners with performance. I really hate when people say DaS2 is "well optimized" - not much to optimize when the map is just a flat box filled with repeating textures and models thrown in.

>>383830539
same here.

>>383830517
That specific attack slashes out dark goo. It gets you even if you dodge into the sword.
Try Manus juggling you mortal kombat style, now that's bullshit.

>>383830427
You know damn well it was mainly last gen consoles' fault.

>>383830517
i can clearly see you getting hit by the sword, what are you talking about

>>383815321
Yes. I didn't even beat the DLC because of that bullshit level.

>>383830517
>chaos blade + power within with that low vigor
hope this isn't your webm because that is the dumbest thing i've seen

>>383830427
How is DeS, DS2 and DS3 Bloodborne's fault?

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>>383830427
Yeah, even the good parts of DS1 have some odd shit in it although you might not even notice it on your first playthrough like the gargoyles in Undead Parish being invisible when looking up from below or the Helkite Dragon glitching out when shot at from the black knight tower.

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>>383830791
Are you kidding nigga how basic is your gameplay LMAO

>>383830791
Power within does a percent-based damage, not an absolute one.

>>383829776
no but that one that pokes you as you try to hit the lizard is cancer
only purpose of it is to stun you so you don't kill it in time

>>383830879
well aside from Demon's Souls, it's pretty clear that Fromsoft were more focused on Bloodborne than on the Souls series for the most time.

>>383831025
thats so odd, since nothing would have been lost by having them be visible. it might have to do with the game loading a new model when you're in the church, and they forgot to put in the gargoyles on the distant model. who knows, a lot of things get lost or forgotten when designing long games

>>383826720
kek got me

>>383831454
as a person who owns bloodborne, i appreciate it, because god fucking damn, i love bloodborne

>>383831519
Maybe they wanted them to be a multi-boss fight so they're marked as NPC entities that don't come ot life.

>>383828189
I'm pretty sure being on console have nothing to do with that.

this was probably from when ds2 was still supposed to be open world, but anyway the main reason for cutting that must be lack of time.

>>383831454
DS2 was made by another team, and there's so much quality of life shit in DS2 that never made into BB, the development probably started later than BB
First DS3 leaks also came after BB, and there were lots of removed shit. I'd blame Bamco for rushing things, not Bloodborne

>>383815938
I was a hobo with no internet for DS2 so it was all pre-patch for me. As a melee build the Shrine was one of the most annoying in the entire game. The aggro range on those casters was insane and in no time you'd have magic missiles in every orifice.

>>383821957
>someone has a different opinion than me

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>i-it's all a metaphor how death is i-inescapable

>>383832950
He usually reaches inbetween his legs

>>383832950
get back in there and knock HIS ass off the tower, seriously

>>383832950
>not letting Iron Tarkus solo the boss
Iron Tarkus is a true hero

>>383832950
>FUCKING SLAVES GET YOUR ASS BACK HERE

>>383827656
>Ceaseless is fun
Bull fucking shit. Ceaseless is the only boss I never feel bad for cheesing, it's so fucking awful. The only reason it's not the worst boss is because BoC exists.

>Visibly avoid tentacle slam by a huge margin
>Still get damaged because lolhitboxes
>Dodge early and end up in the middle of the tentacle
>Take no damage because loliframes
Ceaseless isn't a boss, it's a lesson in how to stop playing the game for a while and start doing dumb, immersion breaking shit.

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>>383832950
Thank god those shitboxes were fixed in Dark Souls 2

>>383833690
>stop playing the game for a while
No, that's 4Kings

>>383815569
I liked shrine of amana, the singing from the demon of song leading up to the boss was a cool little thing too.

>>383833723
shockwave

>>383815321
Any of the blighttown style levels
Any poision swamp level
Shrine of amana pre patch
First level of bloodborne kind of sucks too with a questionable layout.

>>383833852
4 Kings was alright once you could learn to live without depth perception.

>>383834065
Or without fast weapons

>>383833723
shockwaves are convoluted in lordran

>>383833723
What kind of a fucked up 2-bit broken ass animation is that?

>>383833723
what the actual fuck
>people WILL defend this

>>383833723
Man, the giant memories really look like shit. Wish they didn't change the lighting and add these weird filters.

>>383823969
first off you're trolling, second off it's the cornerstone of B-teams idea of "difficulty" and all the problems that come with that idea.

>>383834401
>shockwaves xd
>ds2 is the best game!

outrun coast 2 coast is my favorite racing game of all time

>>383816082
Black Gulch is easy as fuck, anon. It's literally Hold-B: The Area

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defend this

>>383835170
This, you can really just run through it in under a minute. That being said, that's a whole nother reason for it being total garbage.

>>383835350
it's not bad after the neon lava lake, shittiest boss ever made makes it unsalvageable though.

>>383815321
Another classic, 'hardest is worst bread'. You never fail me anon.

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>released in 2014

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>>383833723
git gud

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>>383835663
to be fair, it looked grat in the trailers

>>383835737
no

>>383833723
have you tried not getting hit?
>>383835663
have you tried not looking there?

>>383815321
i have played all the souls games and bloodborne, but i still havent beat this area
i tried to git gud but those endless reindeers and snow storm just destroyed my soul

>ctrl f capital
>one result
literally stumble five minutes into an area and you get to fight a seemingly cool boss that turns out to be a stupid gimmick

Everyone says Blighttown is the worst but I think Tomb of the Giants is the worst.

I've only played Dark Souls 1 so far, so I can't speak for the other two games in the series.

>>383835471
>it's not bad after the neon lava lake,
>4000000 unfun copypasted piss easy demon statue health sponges

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I actually dropped Bloodborne for about three months and didn't come back to it until today because BSB was so terrible.

I ended up beating him just now without summoning Alfred or anything. It's a great feeling.

>>383835931
nobody says this shit, blightown is one of the better designed areas in DaS1 and TotG is one of the better post anor londo areas

>>383835849
topkek
i'm dying here

>>383829579
If you're talking about the Black Bow, then you only need to kill a certain one to get it, not all 3

>>383835931
because most casuals never make it out of blighttown to explore the shittiest areas in existance, so it's memed hard
i always rushed the shit out of totg, it's impossible to fight there

>>383835973
Good job, BSB is a huge gate that a lot of people, myself included, struggled with. He's one of the stronger bosses, relative to your character, so it rarely gets that tough again. Only two of the final bosses gated me off like he did.

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>>383832950
>get grabbed by him and thrown off the tower
>land in an otherwise unreachable area
>game decides to drop my souls there

>>383827437
origins are convoluted, please understand

>>383836037
>ToTG
>Good

Pick one

>>383821556
>Deep Accursed hanging from the ceiling
There's another one of those bastards in a room in the cathedral of the deep (drops that absolute garbage ring that gives fp back on crits)
I just cheesed him because 2SPOOKY and i'm a bitch made nigga

I'm starting Darksouls on PC.

What's the best?
Dark souls 1
Dark souls 2
Dark souls 3

>>383836717
play them in order, DS3 is easily the worst.

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>>383835663

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>>383836717
I started on DARK SOULS™ III and it's very fun, I must say
pic related

>>383836894
I legitimately thought for a few seconds that character was shopped into MM6

texture resolution gave it away though.

>>383836717
DaS1 in most ways
DaS2 has a lot of things I like including the pvp
DaS3 is very divisive and while I enjoy it, the pvp isn't great and it feels like a huge retread of DaS1 with better gameolay generally

For reference my favorite souls games are DeS and BB but I like all of them and have put like 300+ hours at least in each

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>>383828042
>poison mist is an item

>>383823171

>2 hours old post is so fucking retardedly wrong I can't help but give a (You)

>>383836672
it's really well designed, only bad thing was frame rate day 1

>>383836717
DS1 is good until you finish Anor Londo, then it sucks
DS2 is shit throughout even though it has the most balanced multiplayer (which is especially ironic)
DS3 is passable to good throughout, aside from a particular lategame area

>>383835350
It wasn't finished