PS4 Pro Thread

>>383792353
Bloodborne runs the same
Nioh is 1080p/60fps or 4k/30 instead of 720p/60 or 1080/30
TLoU is either 1080p/60 + nice shadows or slightly under 4k/60 and worse shadows.
Alienation is fun, but I don't know the resolution, still just 30 fps though.
That's all the games I have right now.

>>383792353
dunno just bought the pro for ssd which increase the load time for BB and Nioh.

>knew a hardware revision was inevitable when the PS4 launched
>waited
>got the PS4 Pro in May

Felt good

>>383792353
>>383792583
Also
>Do you feel like you can't go back to the base version?
Never had it
>Do you maybe regret buying it and wish you just got or stayed with a base/slim PS4 instead?
Not at all, glad I waited and am not stuck with the shittier model now.

I have a 4k tv, owned every sony console, never owned an xbox and I would never buy that shit. It's fucking embarassing it doesn't play 4k blurays.
If I were you i'd save money for the xbox

games look the same and the system sounds like a vacuum cleaner.

>>383792656
pro comes with an ssd?

>>383792815
nope but the build in easy.

>>383792353
Pro is built for higher resolutions, not framerates

>>383792680
>>383792747
ITT: ironic buyer remorse

>>383792926
>said the early adopter while quietly sobbing

>>383792926
>buying a console at launch
>ever

>>383792353
I'm looking to get one for the exclusives, should wait and save up for a new one or just buy a used one off of eBay?

>>383793075
>buying a console full of spider's cum

>>383792353
I got one purely for FFXV which turned out not to utilize it too well, patched in more frames later on and was a shit game overall.
I hardly notice a difference from my old one but I don't particularly mind, it's a bit quieter though.

>>383793112
So no on the used one? I just want it for bloodborne, nioh, and the uncharted games

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>people actually fell for the pro scam

Originals were going for literally half the price of pros recently so i picked one up finally. Don't give a shit about as better graphics card that's hardly even used. I'm not paying double for that

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>PCbros buy 1 GPU for 699$ for 2-3 more fps
>buy a PS4 Pro for 4k
>scam

hmmm

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>>383793723
Why not have both?

>>383793723
Eat your 30 fps.

>>383793809
I do senpai

>>383793723
>buying a 1080 for 1440p
>not going either full 4k or 144hz

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>>383792925
there are frame rate improvements as well, depends on the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoJjOxhcLY0

>>383793809
this is the kinda shit that makes a permavirgin desu

is yakuza 6 1080p on the ps4 pro? I might have to trade in my slim if it is

>>383792353
>PS4 Pro/55" 4K TV

Horizon in """4K""" is stunning, but not as gorgeous as The Order. That's all I gotta say.

Me as of a week or so ago.
To thoroughly answer your question, just read this
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324251
>NeoFag
I know, I know, but only the most autistic of the Sonynegro fansites could have put something like this together.

>do you regret it
Fuck no, I'm glad I waited. The Pro has the specs that PS4 should have had at launch. I just wish all games that weren't at least at native 1080p/solid 60 FPS had Pro optimizations, though Boost Mode is a nice touch.

And anyone who bought the slim PS4 is an idiot. It's a cheap piece of shit, even worse than the original PS4.
>>383792583
>Bloodborne runs the same
FROM confirmed once again for dumbass Japs who can't into hardware.

>>383792925
>he actually believes this
Devs are just too lazy to offer an increased FPS option and would rather follow the Sony mantra of "fuck FPS, customers will surely buy this thing if it has the highest possible resolution!"

>>383794278
TV with HDR*

>>383793359
>people actually fell for the original PS4 scam
kek

>>383794160
yeah, 1080p/30fps on Pro.

Although Kiwami and 0 are both 1080p/60fps even on base PS4.

>>383792583
>Bloodborne
i think actually runs better but framepacing issues are still there

>>383794370
Just wait for the salty Switch users. I'mma laugh.

>>383792353
>Which games run better on it in terms of framerate?
Every single one, pretty much. Unless you're stupid and asking about 30fps to 60fps jumps, in which case only a couple of PS3 remasters.

>Which ones are worse?
Not sure if they do anymore. Anyway there were less than a handful of exceptions and every single one of them are shit games that you wouldn't play in the first place, so there's nothing to worry about even if they didn't get patched.

>Is it a noticeable improvement? Do you feel like you can't go back to the base version?
Framerate-wise? Who would buy a PS4pro or XboneX if they want massively improved framerates? Are people retarded? Even the fact that you are ASKING this question make ME question your intelligence. These mid-gen upgrades were made with higher resolutions in mind and nothing else, any other benefit is secondary. The CPU pratically the same as the base model, so they are both bottlenecked there, they were not made with (vastly) improved framerates in mind.

>Do you maybe regret buying it and wish you just got or stayed with a base/slim PS4 instead?
I won't ever buy either since my 2013 purchase will be supported until 2022 or 2023. Why would I feel the need to buy the same system twice?
For those who don't own any current gen system then sure, PS4pro is the best choice, but for those who already own a PS4 there's no need.

>>383794423
yeah knowing that the resolution drops to 900p in yakuza 6 makes going from 0/kiwami to 6 even more jarring. I can handle lower framerates but I really don't want a shittier resolution.

>>383794442
Agreed. I got burned with the New 3DS, not falling for that shit again.

>>383794442
>>383794595
Meaning I bought the O3DS.

>>383794124
this is the kinda post that makes a permapoor desu

>>383794595
That shit was a very, very long wait, though. Honestly hope this PS4 Pro/Xbox One X shit doesn't become common. I can't handle two revisions, and you fucking know they'll push it to three.

>>383794595
Waiting for the New-switch is the smart thing to do.

>>383794441
I haven't played it since they implemented the boost mode, so it's possible.

>>383794703
one revision, and you fucking know they'll push it to two*

>>383794669
but I'm literally a millionaire just from inheritance buddy

Years ago PS4 retards kept asking why you haven't upgraded from last generation to Remaster generation. Now the same PS4 retards are defending why they won't ever get a PS4 Pro. The differences aren't that big, sure, in your head PS4 vanilla faggots.

Karma is a thing of beauty.

>>383794784
more probably you're literally delusional from your tranny pills

>>383794784
Funny how there's so much of them on this website

I have a standard PS4 and gf got me a pro.
On my old 50k plasma it was mainly just noticeable that things seemed smoother in demanding games, less frame drops when a lot of crap was onscreen.
Recently upgraded to a 4k 65inch tv with HDR. On this it is definitely noticeable with the right games, Horizon absolutely shines on a 4k in hdr.
To be honest I think the pro is really just a luxury item that mainly shows it's worth only under certain conditions, high end 4k tv and a well optimised game. The only other reason to get one would be if you can't stand frame rate drops. It won't really run anything faster but it will run it smoother.

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>>383794292
>Devs are just too lazy to offer an increased FPS option and would rather follow the Sony mantra of "fuck FPS, customers will surely buy this thing if it has the highest possible resolution!"
No, PS4pro was literally made for the sole purpose of higher resolutions and other GPU-related operations. He is right in saying that it (and XboneX) weren't made for higher FPS. The disparity between their GPU and CPU power is massive. For 60fps you need a much better CPU in most cases, not just a better GPU.

It's not about Devs "being lazy", it's about it being impossible to DOUBLE framerates when the CPU of the Pro is literally THE SAME as the normal PS4 but overclocked, with roughly only 20-30% more power. Pretty much the only exceptions are games like TLoU, which is a PS3 title so the 30% better CPU was just enough to get 60fps without too many drops.

>Japs who can't into hardware.
Funny you say that, because it's Western devs that are the absolute worse. In fact, on average, there are many, MANY more 60fps AA and AAA japanese games than there are 60fps western games. Nearly every 3D game that comes out of Bethesda and Ubisoft runs like shit

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>>383792583
>Bloodborne runs the same
What is the point of this console then?

Yea I picked up a Pro. I haven't messed around with boost mode at all, just official Pro supported titles.

The flagship title by far is Wipeout Omega Collection. It runs at native 4k if you turn off motion blur, and it supports HDR and it looks amazing. Especially in Zone mode. Forza Horizon 3 was my original HDR tech demo but this definitely outclasses it. And the little effects here and there, reflections, smoke, weapon explosion, sun rays, just makes the game feel so alive.

I tested out Killing Floor 2. A game I had no interest in but it was free on Playstation Plus. In comparison to base PS4 it looks so much cleaner, and feels more snappy. That seems to be the case with Black Ops 3 as well. Even if they aren't 4k native that feel meant for modern 4k displays, they feel like what a next generation game should look like.

Can't wait to replay Sony's big black graphics dick Uncharted 4 on this. I guess they added HDR to the Last of Us remaster too, that might be worth checking out.

>>383793296
You gotta think about the controller.

The system I'm sure would be fine but I swear you can't get another humans "feel" off of a controller no matter how you clean it.

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>live in Mexico
>theres no way Pro wil launch here
>buy a ps4 for 6500 tacos (365 USD) a month ago
>ps4 pro is announced with a price tag of 619 USD
>mfw

>>383795279
Don't worry dude, the PS4P is garbage anyway.

>>383792583
>>383794975
no there are improvements with boost mode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9GogGKwoqM

>>383794938
I'm not talking about 30 -> 60 FPS faggotron. I'm talking about higher framerates in general. Which it can do, but I 100% agree that the CPU is cheap shit bottleneck because of that Sony mantra of resolution >>>>>>>> FPS.

I'm saying more devs need to offer Pro patches with FPS priority.

Yes, there are a number of Jap devs that made solid Pro patches. I was singling out FROM as one of the ones who can't into hardware (just look at their fucking history, especially their PC ports).

>>383792353
All I know is that more games run worse with lower fps overall than games that run better with higher fps.

4K was a mistake on this generation hardware. If you got suckered into a Pro I'm sorry. You should have waited for the PS5 in 2018/2019. Yes, that's only 1-2 years away. You bought Beta hardware...ya got scammed.

>>383795652
>all I know is more games run worse
You're an idiot.
Only 3 games run worse because the devs are retarded and can't into patches.

>>383795759
Impossible, that's 2 more than the entire ps4 library.

The pro is an absolute wate if you don't have a 4k tv and even then it isn't that much of a difference.

>>383794938
>No, PS4pro was literally made for the sole purpose of higher resolutions and other GPU-related operations.

lol. OK sure thing buddy. We can sit here and list all the games that run at locked 30FPS or 60FPS on the PS4 Pro compared to the PS4 vanilla's variant framerate just because of the beefier CPU.

Even that 9% upclock on the Xbox One Slim helps just enough to maintain 1080p in games with dynamic resolutions. Just face the fact you're a fucking stubborn and anally hurt PS4 vanilla owner who can't stand karma. Talk shit about last generation holding you back or Xbox One parity, completely silent and apologetic when PS4 vanilla holds back the PS4 Pro. Final Fantasy 15 is also a tremendous clusterfuck on PS4 vanilla compared to Pro. Framerate or not, lol.

>>383795469
>The model of the PS4 that has better framerate and loading in Bloodborne is garbage

Bloodborne runs superior on the PS4 Pro when in boost mode. Period. Eat a fucking dick PS4 vanilla faggot. What comes around goes around. All that trolling about PS4 being superior, now it hurts knowing you have to buy the same console again. You Remaster obsessed ingrates deserve the PS4 Pro. You did a shit ton of damage to gaming with the Remaster trend, the PS4 Pro is just another shit on the wall of achievements caused by the PS4's fanbase.

>>383792353
The only worthwhile game that gets a noticeable boost to framerate is The Last Guardian when running in 1080p mode.

>>383794937
Horizon was the first game where it was plainly obvious to me that I wasn't playing in 1080p. I never had an OG PS4, but a lot of "enhanced" games basically just look like 1080 with decent AA, or even just...not really noticeable at all. I guess it's not surprising considering it's the only major game that actually runs at 4k(even if it's checkerboarded).

The thing that gets me is the noise. I always mention this in Pro threads but rarely see it corroborated, so I sometimes wonder, but it gets pretty fucking loud sometimes when playing an enhanced game. I even ordered a replacement and it was the same shit, so unless I got a defective unit twice in a row that's how it is. Most regular games it's silent as a tomb, though.

>>383792353
>Do you maybe regret buying it and wish you just got or stayed with a base/slim PS4 instead?
A little bit, though I'm not too sure.
It's my first PS4. I didn't upgrade, so it wasn't 400 bucks for an upgrade. More like 200. I feel like every time I would have run into any framerate issues on a slim if I bought one, I would have wished that I bought a Pro instead.
I also knew that I wanted to play The Last Guardian and that's supposedly awful on a regular PS4.

>>383795652
>You should have waited for the PS5 in 2018/2019. Yes, that's only 1-2 years away.
lol no way, not the way the ps4 is selling. they have no need to bring out a new console yet, 2020 at the earliest. and yeah xbone x isn't gonna do shit.

>>383795652
>4K was a mistake on this generation hardware.
This.

I haven't seen buyers remorse so strong as with the Pro in a long time. It made sense to upgrade the 360 to Elite, and the PS3 to the Slim. Minor hardware upgrades make sense. But literally trying to generation jump within the same generation was a big mistake. The worst part is that PS5 comes out in less than 2 years so there's going to be a graveyard of discarded 2 year old PS4 Pros because nobody is going to want the shitty 4k hardware of the Pro when the 5 is actually created for 4k from the ground up.

>>383796154
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps5-to-launch-in-2019-and-will-be-another-half-ste/1100-6451610/

I mean at least try to do your research before shitposting.

>>383796125
if it's your first ps4 it's a no brainer to get the pro. you shouldn't have regrets.

>>383796154
Sony is in the position to push ms put of the market with a well timed ps5 release.

They will cannibalise a bit of ps4 sales if it means damaging the competition.

>>383796257
>"Analyst predicts"
>Michael Pachter
kek

Lil bro got a pro while I got the og so there's no buyer's remorse in this regard.
He says Warframe plays much smoother and looks sharper on the pro.
I mainly play weeb games so the only difference I see is 4k screenshots on most games and EDF runs better.

>>383796379
On the other hand in 2019 it will be 6 years from the PS4 launch.
That seems like a pretty reasonable time to launch a new console.

>>383796304
I'd feel bad not playing the "definitive edition" of exclusives, but it's not worth $200 if you're low on cash. A Slim would serve a lot of people well.
It's also gigantic. I had to get a vertical stand because it's so huge.

>>383795976
t. base PS4 owner
>>383796067
Wrong. 10 games get a boost of 30 FPS on the Pro. Check the Neofag list for the names.

>>383796024
>Bloodborne runs better
So why does the autist on NeoFag say that it doesn't?
>>383796257
Did you even read that article? It's one "analyst"'s opinion.
That said, given the lack of an E3 announcement this year, holiday 2019 is probably the earliest a PS5 would launch (and should launch IMO).

>>383796257
"Research" involves more than reading one article headline.

>>383796379
>person with a job in the industry
>basement dwelling anon who "Has a feeling"

Also there's another 50 articles I can link. Shitposting is easy anon, being right takes a little more effort.

>>383796542
lol are you literally 12 years old? michael pachter is a bigger joke than even you are.

>>383796603
d- for effort. Needs to apply himself.

>>383796542
Another 50 articles you can link with citing the same random analyst with no connection to sony.

>>383792583
>4k/30
>slightly under 4k/60
nope, ps4 pro can't even do upscaling right.

>>383796124
I've never once heard my PS4 Pro. Not once.

>>383796776
This. I haven't played Horizon but I have played Nier and FFXIV. No noise.

>>383793723
>2-3 more fps

nigger if i bought a 1080ti i would be 100+ frames higher than my current card and i already run games @ 120 fps.

retard

>>383792353
I regret it. You're paying $100 more for literally the same games.

For games that support the Pro, If you put the games side by side, you'll definitely notice a difference in graphics/framerate, but otherwise I don't really feel the better graphics are worth it, unless you're a richfag and really don't mind.

>>383796776
>>383796854
When did you get yours? Mine was right around launch(Black Friday)

>>383796776
It has a noisy disc drive but i hardly ever play physical games anymore.

>>383792353

Does it even benefit to get the pro? I play on a 1080p screen, I just want stable fps and I would love getting better details.

Games I wanna play: bb, gravity rush, kh, yakuza, infamous, ratched & clank, uc4 and tlou2. That´s the ones from the top of my head.

>>383796776
how do you even know you have one then?

>>383792806
>>383793225
I am getting mixed answers here, so is it quieter than the base PS4 or louder?

>>383797020
Like a week ago.

>>383796854
I've played Horizon favoring resolution. Never heard my Pro. Just got it around three weeks ago, though. That might be why.

>>383796695
>he is the legendary analyst who predicted that Grand Theft Auto V would release in 2010, Microsoft will double the price of Xbox Live, and even predicted the release of Kinect at $50.

>Back in 2006, Mr. Pachter predicted that Nintendo will soon pull-out of the console business. He also claimed that Wii motion controls won’t be accepted by the community. In short, in his eyes, Wii was in no shape to compete with PS3 and Xbox 360. Well, he was Dead Wrong. Wii was one of the best selling consoles of its time.

>Not too long ago he also predicted the death of Vita but the system is still around, and have become an indie heaven, Wrong Again.

>In 2008, the world got excited when this “expert” analyst claimed that Ubisoft’s Assassin’s Creed 2 is set in the French Revolution. Not only that, but he was sure that Altair is back for the second installment. Once again, our analyst was Wrong.

>After being wrong about AC2, in 2009 Patcher suddenly had an epiphany (oh yes he did) and decided to enlighten us. According to him, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and Wii were the last consoles. I bet Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo had a few laughs on his comments.

>PS3, XBox 360 and Wii the last consoles ever made
fucking KEK

>In 2010, Mr. Pachter came up with the idea that Kinect, known as project Natal at the time, is going to cost $50. Sadly, it was released for $150.

>Skip to September 2014, Mr. Pachter predicted that Microsoft’s Xbox One is going to outsell PlayStation 4 by 75,000 units. Unfortunately, the sales number released later on showed that PS4’s sales tripled. Mr. Pachter was wrong again.

>Following were just a few examples and there are many others, but to be fair Patcher isn’t always wrong, but majority of the time he is. Unfortunately for him, his correct predictions are just common sense and obvious

http://segmentnext.com/2015/12/10/a-visionary-history-of-michael-pachters-bold-predictions/

Great "analyst" you got here kid.

>>383797112
I got no clue. Bought mine three weeks ago and I never fucking heard it. Not even when close to it with a game running. Maybe I tuned it all out, but I doubt it. Not shilling. Actual shit I've experienced.

>>383797321
Is that playing physical or digital?

>>383792353
The only notable game I know of that got a 30 to 60 framerate patch was dark souls 3. The pro is just for the 4k meme and a more stable cinematic fps, it is mostly useless if you want higher fps.

>>383797585
Physical. It made me install it before playing, though. I got eighty hours clocked so far.

>>383797632
The Surge and Nioh as well.

>>383797665
Oh, and I play in """4K"""

>>383797705
Nioh already had a 60 fps option.

>>383797112
I never understood this loudness meme. I got a PS4 pretty close to launch and it wasn't loud at all. Far quiter than any desktop I've used that's for sure (prebuild or selfbuilt) or any laptop with the fans blaring.

The two loudest console I've owned are the Xbox 360 and the Dreamcast. PS4 doesn't even though those.

>>383797230
Honestly the noise doesn't even bother me since I use headphones, I'm just concerned about the performance and lifespan. I wanted to wait a bit, but I got a good deal and just HAD to play FFXV at launch. Feh.

>>383792353
Horizon looks delicious on Pro with a 4K TV

I've heard the Pro is worth it regardless, but also that it's only worth it if you have a 4k TV. Which is it?

I have one and unless you're autistic about 4K, I'd say it's not really worth it. So far there's only very minor performance boosts on a select few games. So might as well just get one of those dirt cheap slim bundles that are all over the place these days.

>>383797741
That black chick from The Know called it "faux-k".

I kind of like that.

>>383797861
Its more like it isn't worth gimping yourself to save $100.

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>>383796257
>Michael Pachter

>>383796375
possibly, but they could hurt their own brand by doing that. that would be three playstation home consoles released within six years of each other. people won't like that shit, it's the same reason why sega shot themselves in the face and people lost faith in them.

I don't see them releasing a new console as long as the current one is already killing the competition. there's no need for it. XBone is already screwed, I really don't see XBone X making a difference.

>>383797315
He was right about th vita though, using a buzzword like "indie haven" doesn't make it not a huge failiure.

Anyone try boost mode on Bloodborne? I remember a few videos made it much more consistent but I'd like to know if it's like that most of the game.

>>383798075
broken clock's right twice a day too m8

and vita failing was fucking obvious with that price and the memory card bullshit. 3ds was obviously going to beat the shit out of it. sony can't compete with nintendo when it comes to handhelds, they just don't get it.

>>383797986
>100

You can usually find the slim for ~200.

>>383798253
Not defending Pratcher or saying it wasn't obvious, just saying that whoever typed that up needs to relax.

>>383796024
>Bloodborn runs better
Okay.. and? that's not exactly a game people can play forever, it's over and done already, has been for a long time.

Support sony's garbage phone style model increments if you want, it's your fault when consoles start going even more to shit than they already have.

>>383797986
I "gimped" myself to save $100

I've had no issues.

>>383798384
lol not really. they point out that pachter predicted the death of nintendo and that ps3/wii/x360 was the last console gen. there are far more examples too than the ones mentioned in that article. the man is utterly ridiculous and deserves to be laughed at.

>>383798167
After patches Bloodborne feels fine on a regular PS4. There are a couple of drops to like 27fps that are 29fps instead on a Pro, that's it.

>>383794975
>implying Bloodborne™ ® is anything less than an utterly godlike masterpiece of orgasmic delight on a Sony thread

bold move sir

>>38379786
Pro is is for console kiddies who are too dumb to buy a pc. Just get your persona/bloodborne/yakuza machine for the cheapest price possible.

>>383792353
No

Reading through the thread made me come to the conclusion of buying a PS4 Pro just isnt worth it

>>383795759
>games run worse because the devs are retarded and can't into patches.

I thought the point of consoles was the "it just works" factor and the argument for having a globally standardised hardware platform specifically for the purpose of simpler development and mass-patching?

>>383795478
There are, but most people will never see them as almost all of the really nasty drops are within random chalices where the game can summon too many enemies simultaneously.

Bloodborne feels shitty for a lot of people because even when it's running 30, it feels like it's dropping due to erratic frame-pacing. I kinda get used to it after going back to it for a while, but it's a real shame.

>>383796169
>buyers remorse

It's what Sony do best.

How many god damn PSP's, camera's, TV's and other electronics popped up in a half-hearted attempt to compete or copy -and were dropped just as quickly?

>>383797061
Good for you. Welcome to the 21st century.

>>383797665
>It made me install it before playing

Uh, why?

>>383799045
the frame pacing is improved with the pro, too. saw some video (maybe digital foundry) and remember it claiming that it was reduced by 40%

>>383798963
If you already have a PS4 dont buy it

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>>383798963
Same here.

Maybe in a couple of years I'll pick up a 2nd hand diet-PS4 just to play the 1 or 2 good ransomware titles.

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Is Bloodborne fine on a baseline PS4? I'm contemplating getting the XboneX at the end of the year and skipping the PS4Pro entirely since I can't justify dropping 400 bucks for just one game.

>>383799432
what if you had a base ps4 and it recently got fucked and you need to replace it? ps4 or pro? that is the question...

also the 500gb hard drive wasn't enough for me, that shit was annoying. so it's like £275 for base 1tb ps4 or £340 for 1tb Pro

>>383799517
It's playable, but expect some areas to strain your eyes a little

>>383799517
>Is Bloodborne fine on a baseline PS4?
definitely. if you're choosing just for bloodborne, the improvements pro boost mode give for it are very small. if you only want bloodborne the base ps4 is a no brainer, honestly.

>>383799601
If you need to replace your base PS4 you can go for the Pro.. the problem is that the Pro is louder and can turn your room into a microwave

>>383792858
Do they even work well? I remember reading that SSDs on PS4 don't actually take advantage of the speed correctly. Make sure you check up on that.

For the next generation I'll wait like 3 years before buying a console after this pro and x crap

>>383794160
It's 1080p, gets rid of all screen tearing, the only framerate drops it has at all are rarely in karaoke for whatever reason, and I believe it had better AA and shadows? The base version is 900p, has screen tearing so bad the Japanese are complaining about it, has framedrops down into mid 10s, and I think there was one other thing.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/181153-yakuza-6-the-song-of-life/74777393

>>383800176
I've been playing the demo, I think we had a conversation in a /wsg/ thread about it once.
Yeah it runs like hot trash on the base ps4. The resolution is so low things can start looking like an incomprehensible mess if anything is happening on screen and the framerate will job if someone fucking breathes near kiryu. It's so disappointing especially after ishin/0/kiwami all ran at 1080p/60fps and still looked perfectly fine

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>>383799867
The PS4 is probably the reason I transitioned to buying purely digital games this gen.

How the fuck do you make an optical drive in 2017 this damn loud. The internal fan ramping up doesn't help the situation either

>>383798963
I picked up the PS4 Slim on Prime day, I saw absolutely zero reason to get a Pro. 4K is a meme anyways.

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>>383797020
Got mine day 1 because I never had a PS4, this thing is as silent as my Wii U and the only time you hear any sounds at all is when booting up a game for about 30 seconds to a minute at best and then never again. A couple people here seemed to have complained about the same thing and I would tell you to just call up Sony at this point since the warranty is definitely still going to be there. It does get pretty hot at the top-right of the console though (When put horizontally), but it's definitely not even remotely audible on my end at least.

>>383800384
That we did, the demo's pretty good for me, I haven't had any problems at all even in the karaoke segments but I know one guy in the Yakuza threads mentioned he had it happen on a Pro.

>>383800414
PS4 copies all disks to the hard drive, so the disk drive shouldn't be making a noise like 10 seconds after starting any game.

Meanwhile the actual fans on the PS4 and Pro can get fucking crazy loud depending on the game. Pro helps a lot there because it's super quiet in anything without pro support because half the GPU is shut off.

>>383800414
it depends on the game... for example running a game like Automata can kill you of suffocation if you are in a room without proper ventilation while a game like Persona 5 plays almost perfect, no heat and no sound.

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>>383792353
I have a 1080p set and a PRo and I love it. Check out the Neofag post here, which is honestly incredibly comprehensive: >>383794292

I'll say that a couple of games with Native Pro Support that are great at 1080p are:
>Sniper Elite 4
Runs more frequently at 60 fps, and looks a little nicer too.
>Overwatch
I know, it's better to play on PC, but if you're just looking to chill for an hour, this game runs at a pretty locked 60, has some added effects and anti-aliasing, and is a solid 1080p
>Hitman
It looks a lot nicer, and you can uncap the framerate, which is a nice bonus. It doesn't hit 60 that often, but it's not juddery or anything so it still looks nice.
>Nier: Automata
It gets locked to 1080p, and runs at 60 pretty much all the time, minus a few hiccups here and there. Several extra affects, etc.
>Rise of the Tomb Raider
You can set the game to run at 60 fps, and I think the game looks way better at 60

Plus all the VR games typically give you supersampling, basically doubling perceived resolution, making things clearer, and often removing foveated rendering, which feels more immersive. The internal display is nice on the PSVR, and it's way more comfortable than my VIVE, so I recommend it the go to way for casually playing VR stuff, especially since it's way easier to set up, and there are more actual games than tech demos on PSN than on Steam for VR.

Also there are a few games that actually benefit massively from Boost mode. I'll list the two for me that are good games that are much better boosted:
>Mirror's Edge Catalyst
It makes the framerate much more stable and locked to 60, and the texture loading is WAY faster, which is important for an open world game that you're constantly moving fast through.
>Galak-Z
The game had an unlocked framerate, but typically sat around 30 fps on base PS4. Boosted, the game actually hits 60 like 75% of the time, and seems to only dip as low as 50 fps. It's a great game, and that makes it so much better.

>>383792353
I never had a base so i dont have much to compare, looking online though i cant say the difference is staggering and the no games isn't just a meme.

At first i had years of games to catch up on but now i have 5 games finished and none on the horizon. Genuinely think it might have been more sensible to sit this gen out.

I had one but I didnt dare play games on it because IT SOUNDED LIKE A FUCKING JET ENGINE

I returned it and got my money back

>>383792806
Not true

>>383801153
Yes it does

>>383801127
>neo
My Pro only gets loud if I have it sitting in a tight confined media center. If I keep it out in the open, where it can ventilate, it's as quite as a mouse, even on some of the hotter days this California Summer.

>>383801321
Actual side by side decibel tests show otherwise you mong.

>>383799517
>I can't justify dropping 400 bucks for just one game
You're in the wise minority here

>>383801007
This. Automata is fucking crazy on the fan speed.

If I'm playing something without pro support, even in boost mode, the thing is basically silent. Most stuff with pro support is about as loud as the default ps4 was all the time. Automata turns it into a literal vacuum cleaner though. I honestly wish there was an option alongside Boost mode to lock out pro features because of this. Then it would be silent all the time.

>>383800051
arent they actually just hybrid SSD's?>>383800176
holy shit thats bad

>>383799517
I played it on pro and without boost mode it's frankly annoying with all the fucking drops. With boost mode on, it's quite playable, there's still some drops but not as much as without boost

>could buy Pro version without a hit to my savings
>still bought base version because it is good enough

I think it is great to have a choice for players, but base version provides me everything I want from PS4.

>>383801602
The game literally drops in 3 places:central yharnam around the bonfire, lecture hall filled with scholars, and chalices.

I have a pro and played BB prior to the boost update and there was really no difference.

>>383800051
SSDs are a noticeable improvement over a regular platter drive for a lot of games. Nowhere near the improvement it should be, but that's fairly common even in games on the PC. Pro over normal PS4 isn't much if any though. The SSD was already bottlenecking below what SATA2 offered.

Whether the time saved is actually worth spending the money is up for debate.

>>383801051
>"Runs more frequently at 60fps"
>"runs at 60 pretty much all the time"
>"doesn't hit 60 that often"
>"pretty locked 60"
>"actually hits 60 like 75% of the time"

I hate to be a that guy and I really don't want to be a dick because it sounds like you're happy with your purchase but FFS so basically, what you're saying is: "next gen" consoles still can't reliably hold a stable 1080p 60fps

something that mid-tier PC's have been doing since 2011. baka

I mean, for christ's sake, the original PS4 GPU was supposed to be basically a gimped 1GB version of the very same cheapo Radeon HD7770 2GB I've been using for the past 5 years

>>383801328
It was sitting on a dresser with about 7 inches free space. It should NOT have sounded as loud as it did

>>383802161
mid-tier PCs have a choice to turn graphics down

DOOM was the first game that gave you a few graphics options in the console versions, and even then it was just shit like FOV and motion blur

>>383802161
The hardware isn't the problem, developers not optimizing their games for that specific hardware are.

The PS4 could have the equivalent of a 1080ti GPU and they'd still manage to make it run games at sub-30fps

>>383802161
I have a PC with a Titan X, and if I turn up the graphics, I can make games run worse than even on the base PS4. I can tune that stuff to get it to be 1080p 60 most of the time, but PC games also have a tendency to suddenly drop frames hard too in certain areas, because they're not really optimized to maintain performance, just give you the option to do it yourself.

Getting a game configured just right on PC so that it has minimal drops, or it looks really nice and maintains around 50 fps can be very rewarding, but sometimes I also like it when a console will do all that heavy lifting for me, and still give me similar or better performance, while looking good enough.

Plus the box is only 400 bucks, while I honestly can't say how much money I've sunk into my PC with everyone of its components.

>>383802751
Very true

every AAA release, or really, every game with a physical release period, since the launch of the pro (barring localizations like purse owner 5) have some sort of pro optimization/patch, even if it's a novelty like "4k". most indie titles aren't affected.

Most games run the same if there isn't a pro patch though, even with boost mode. It's more of a novelty than anything else, and helps with stability more than improvements. I notice a lot less drops in central yharnam and cathedral ward playing online in bloodborne. You know when you get 3 people and run across the bridge to cleric beast, and it drops in fps? That doesn't happen on pro. It's weird.

>>383802559
>The hardware isn't the problem, developers not optimizing their games for that specific hardware are

Oh yeah I totally agree but if that is the case then its a piss-poor excuse. I thought the whole fucking point of consoles was to have an easily manageable mass-market standard to benchmark your software at. The optimization buzzword often gets rolled out as a defense for exclusive games too.

Yet, on the other hand, considering how little regard 3rd party game dev's tend to have for PC ports and patches, how do everyday computer GPU's manage acceptable performance? Simply by brute force?

>>383802751
>I have a PC with a Titan X

Fuck me sideways, not sure if console shilling or not

Surely a Titan X just laughs and auto-detects comfy settings?
I mean, fuck, I've had a GTX 970 for a few years and I rarely even bother with the graphics settings on most games.

>>383803149
The auto-detect, will always turn on some of Nvidia's bullshit settings, so you have to go in and alter that shit yourself.

A good example is Watch_Dogs 2. I do some stuff to get that game to 1440p with their special checkerboard sampling technique they have in the game (which actually lowers the base resolution of the engine, but checkboards itself up to simulate the actual resolution, and I turn on most of the higher settings except for Nvidia specific stuff, and the higher AO and shadow settings.

The game runs between 45 and 50 most of the time, but looks pretty nice.

The Pro version runs at 1800p internally, but actually scales up to 2160 (so the pro is technically running at a higher resolution than in my configuration), but it runs at 30 fps, and doesn't have some of the nicer effects, and has lower AO.

I feel it's kind of a give and take with this stuff, and really up to preference. I really wish the Pro version of Watch_Dogs had a higher framerate mode or something at 1080p, instead of trying to hit 4K. I probably would have picked it up on the Pro, even if you looked a little worse, because then it would be easier to just get up and play, since it's really more of a console game anyway,

I know that BF1 gets about an extra 20 fps over base version.

>>383796125
The Last Guardian is just awful in all ways on any platform.

I bought a Pro because it and the Slim have better network cards, the Pro has a USB port in the back I put my headset donger in, and it runs far quieter than my original PS4 did.

4K is a meme and 4K TVs wont be as common as HDTVs for at least another decade.

I have a Pro, every game that I've bought except for Persona 5 and Yakuza 0 which where PS3 ports, do take advantage of the hardware, whether is HDR or that fake 4k which does look fantastic, only reason why I know it's fake is because /v/ makes sure to tell me is not the real thing.
The boost mode made games like Bloodborne and the Evil Whitin run a lot better, same with Battlefield 4.

>>383804332
>4K is a meme and 4K TVs wont be as common as HDTVs for at least another decade.
it's so lame.

in the UK 1080p TV signal is not even standard yet. Sky HD was 720p, and standard HD television is also at 720p.

Now Sky offers Ultra HD for some channels (of course you pay extra) and they jumped straight to 4K with it without even upgrading the normal HD signal to 1080p. It's like they skipped the 1080p TV signal completely and are never even gonna bother to get it.

>>383804332
4K TV's are already mainstream

but yeah, outside of some streaming services finding actual 4K content isn't as easy

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So how likely will the price of the pro go down before Christmas?

I'm think about getting one mostly for yakuza right now but I probably won't touch anything else once I'm done with my PC backlog

>>383805229
Therell probably be bundles that come with a game like Horizon for Black Friday like the Slim had that UC4 bundle last year

I only have FF15 for it, and I play on 1080p TV, so I get the framerate boost with AA. Works great, but it clearly stresses the machine a lot.

>>383805615
Nothing stresses the Pro more than CoD4.

Not even meming, unless they fixed it at some point the menus didnt have a 60FPS limit so the console would render as hard as it can and wouldnt calm down til you're in a match.

>>383805768
it's quite amazing that such an ancient PC originating rookie mistake can still be done by such experienced devs, on consoles at that.

>>383805229
as a proper price drop? unlikely. black friday is almost guaranteed to have a $350 sale though, perfect storm to shit all over the xbone X.

>>383805768
that happened with rocket league when it launched, menus had uncapped FPS and it caused some poor sod's ps4 to start melting and burning. pretty funny stuff.

Price too expensive still. Ps4 is what 249 most places now? will be for the holidays. I feel Pro is perfect at $350 and sales will be more prevalent, thus maybe getting more patches/support. Spiderman/GodoW will surely take full advantage of ps4 as best as possible, and will entice ore people to jump.

The only relevant "good" deal is the destiny 2 bundle since it's the $100 deluxe version so you save anywhere from $20-50. But still don't think that's enough, Pro should really be $350, or a with new $60 game included for $400. $449 is increasing the price, not what people want, even if you're getting a somewhat deal, but not everyone likes Destiny, and even more so not everyone would have gotten some expansion bullshit.

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the only household i know that owns a ps4 pro also believe it offers better internet and every game is flat out better.

i watched him join a xenoverse 2 lobby full of 1 bars and i watched him and his brother laugh at how they don't own ps4 pros. i mentioned how they may just be far and no, they're so sure. then they wouldn't stop talking about the graphics.

the target audience is really wild for this thing. "console upgrades" always seemed like an idea that only dumb people would buy.

>>383807020
The original PS4 had a terrible network card, the one in the newer ones is leagues better even on wifi and not ethernet.

Why would you buy a PS4 Pro now, when the Xbone X will be 2.5x stronger? Just wondering.

>>383807142
if you believe you're a 5 bar only because of your console upgrade, you're a fucking moron.

if you play unwired, you're also a fucking moron.

>>383807159
>Xbone X
no gaemz

also all older xbone x games don't get an upgrade unless they're patched by the dev and will be just as shitty as they always were.

>>383795279
>>live in Mexico
>>theres no way Pro wil launch here
Are you retrasado mental?
Mexico eats up Sony's shit since the PS2 era, the Pro would obviously come over here.

>>383807252
You literally can be on a pro vs nonpro though. At least, nonpro cuh-1200. slims are using the new network card that supports speeds of above like 5mb/s. and not everyone is capable of hooking up a wired connection, and doesn't want to huddle their hardware around their router.

>>383797315
Wasnt he the guy who said the PS3 would kill PC gaming?

>>383807704
>upgrade unless they're patched by the dev and will be just as shitty as they always were.
Read this again, retard.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-microsofts-xbox-one-x-benchmarks-revealed

>>383807159
Because I've already got a PC for multiplats and forza

>>383809880
>retard
but I'm not the xbox fanboy here lol. must have been an awful last few years for you eh?

>>383792353
I have one, it'swhat the OG ps4 should've been, it's a lot more stable but not amazing. It's worth it as a first PS4 but not as an upgrade

I have pro only for exclusives and planning to xbox one x for same reason. Play on PC mostly.

>>383809880
tldr. I remember reading what I posted. Either copy post the relevant part or I think you're full of shit.

>>383807159
because devs are still going to cater to the largest marketbase, and since the xbone x price point is $100 higher, and a smaller userbase to upgrade to it, they'll go for the pro, and xbone x will suffer less optimization to it's hardware.

>>383810063
>upgrade unless they're patched by the dev and will be just as shitty as they always were.
>>383810217
>Either copy post the relevant part or I think you're full of shit.

>Well, it turns out that compatibility with older games isn't a walk in the park, so pre-existing Xbox One titles default to a different set-up. In effect, half of the render back-end hardware is disabled and pixel and vertex shaders are each hived off to half of the 40 available compute units. It's a somewhat gross generalisation, but you could say that older games effectively get access to 3TF of power compared to the 1.31TF in the older Xbox One, and compared further to the 6TF accessible via the July XDK. As the improvements in render time demonstrate, pre-existing titles should get enough extra horsepower to max dynamic resolution titles and ramp up anisotropic filtering. Other back-compat enhancements promised by Microsoft - improved loading times, faster CPU power, RAM cache etc - are not GPU dependent so out of the scope of these metrics but there's no reason to believe that they will not be delivered.

>>383799304
Because that's what all consoles do nowadays.

>>383810332
>max dynamic resolution titles and ramp up anisotropic filtering
lol it's fucking nothing. max 900p/720p titles will still be at 900p/720p, fantastic.

>>383809880
>As the improvements in render time demonstrate, pre-existing titles should get enough extra horsepower to max dynamic resolution titles and ramp up anisotropic filtering. Other back-compat enhancements promised by Microsoft - improved loading times, faster CPU power, RAM cache etc - are not GPU dependent so out of the scope of these metrics but there's no reason to believe that they will not be delivered.
The way they're doing it is literally just Boost Mode except they made sure to check and make sure you don't get random crashes or having it run worse than base mode compared to Sony waving their hands and going "It's your problem". It's the exact same situation, dynamic resolution maxes out and stays stable on the highest longer, you get better AA and AF if the game allows it, framerates stabilize, etc. The difference here is games released on this new SDK after it comes out will have improvements whereas with Sony they have to manually patch it or release it with the features regardless whereas a developer who doesn't scare on the Xbone X doesn't need to bother and they'll still get major improvements.

If you want an example, the Assassin's Creed games are 900p on Xbone without dynamic resolutions which means even on an Xbone X it's going to be 900p.

>>383810591
Sure it will, don't you have a NeoGAF mod to suck off?

PS4 Pro is very unbalanced hardware
The cpu and gpu upgrades are whatever but the ram enhancments and slightly bigger pool are just too little.

Fire cerny as your engineer Sony
This is the 3rd time hes put slow/not enough ram into your hardware

>>383810849
apparently you're 10 and don't have the ability to comprehend your reading yet.

they say it will max dynamic resolution on titles with dynamic resolution but that's it. so a game that goes between 900p and 1080p (e.g. COD) will always be at 1080p, presumably.

older titles that are already at 900p or 720p max won't go beyond that res unless they're patched personally by the devs. stop being so dumb anon.

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>>383811168
>so a game that goes between 900p and 1080p (e.g. COD) will always be at 1080p, presumably.

>COD
>1080p on Bone
nope. though Activision probably will release XBone X patches for Blops 3, WW2 and Infinite Warfare.