I loved Ace Attorney 1, but I think 2 & 3 are terrible.

Apollo Justice is pretty good. Especially the first case is a textbook example of tension building.
And TaT is as good as Ace attorney IMHO.

Most people agree that 2-1 and 2-3 are bad cases. I think most people like 3-2. 3-3 is kind of ehh, but it has a fun ending.

3-4 and 3-5 are the best cases in that game.

>>383791348
AA2 is worse than AA1 across the board, and 3-3 is awful (fitting it was a cut case from AA2, it belongs there.) 3-4 and 3-5 are excellent though, so the game in general gets a pass from me. I still liked Maya and Pearl at the time though.

One word for you:
Godot

3-4 and 3-5 are worth it.

The problem is that the creator didn't know it would be what it is today, a fairly big franchise. He was, like many people in 2001, writing games with the idea that it would probably be the only one they made in that series. Mia's death was meant to go at the end of game 1 as the emotional showdown, and 2-4 would've been the final case of the trilogy

I understand where you're coming from and I'd say it's subjective. Justice For All has a lot of things wrong with it, but I love Trials and Tribulations. The gameplay additions (besides divination seance) in DD and SOJ are welcome, and the investigations games are excellent, I dunno why they're disliked

>>383791831
I don't know if Kay actually single-handedly ruined Investigations, but it sure feels that way.

>>383791831
>(besides divination seance)
Really? That was actually one of my favourite gimmicks. Certainly better than the psychology tests.

Investigations 1 has shitty pacing and an ending that drags way too long. Investigations 2 is probably my favourite in the series, though. It really captures the AA1 feeling.

>>383791348
>over the top characters and their cartoonish antics
Get ready for more of that in the post-Trilogy games.

skip AJ

>>383792196
Oh fuck off AJ is a cool game

>>383791348
I do think that AA1 had a kind of tone to it that's missing in later games, but I chalk it up to the fact that it's the first game. There's a kind of novel atmosphere that exists in a first game, in many different franchises. I don't even think it's nostalgia, I think it's a mostly unintentional thing done by developers. In trying to "figure out" a new universe and premise they project a kind of mystery onto everything. I don't know if I'm making any sense here or if I'm just babbling.

In any case, the series does stay ridiculous, and sometimes even ups the ante, but I hope that you can try to put that aside and enjoy the games anyways.

>>383791348
You're a rare person. It's hard to say how you'd view the other games in the series based on what you've said. If you ask me, no game has topped the original, but I don't have a negative view of most of the other games.

Apollo Justice is polarizing. I feel like it is generally liked by people who like the first Ace Attorney the best, but impressions on it are unpredictable. Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice, I think, you would probably hate. Really, the game I would recommend the most to you is Dai Gyakuten Saiban, but it is unfortunately only playable in Japanese.

On Investigations, the first one isn't very popular. The second one is rated highly mainly by people whose favorite trilogy game is Trials and Tribulations.

Should I try getting back into AAI?
I dropped the first one a case or two in, after playing AJ I couldn't really stomach another ace attorney game. But that was years ago.

>>383792391
Case 4-1 is cool, and I'm a 4-4 apologist, but it's not much better than JFA unless you're heavy into fujoshi shipping.

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>>383792196
>skipping games in a story heavy series

>>383792442

The thing about AA1 is it had a an equal amount of pathos and seriousness/maturity that balanced out the goofy parts (like interrogating a parrot).

But AA2 and AA3 go overboard with the goofiness and silliness to the point that it's hard to get invested in the cases, because it just feels like a doofy cartoon show.

>>383792579
Turnabout "kitaki" and turnabout serenade are top tier crap, but what i liked was mostly the atmosphere they were trying to create and 4-1 was really good for it as was 4-4

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It really is annoying when you're investigating and every time you click on something, Maya just has to say something about EVERYTHING. I understand she's supposed to add comedy to the situation, but she's not funny, and it just serves to make investigating a scene take twice as long as it should. A shit character, really.

>>383792660
I think that happens a lot with first entries in a series, they take themselves a lot more seriously and are generally more grounded, with the wacky elements being a bit more subdued. Then in an attempt to one-up their own work, they start ramping up the wacky elements more and more.

If you absolutely despise the wacky elements in Ace Attorney then you might just be better off seeking out other Japanese "adventure"/part-VN games.

>>383792560
4th and 5th case are great, although people often say the latter drags on for too long in the end.
Personally I liked the final confrontation because it really felt like a final boss.

>>383792442
it's all in the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edD34WEwmIA
this track is so weirdly melancholic I love it. like you're just plodding along in the rain interviewing and searching for evidence

>>383792196
fuck off

I played through AA1 and loved it. JfA was impossible for me to get into, and I played up untill Turnabout Big Top. I recently picked up Trials and Tribulations, and I am about to finish 3-3. I especially like 3-2 and its characters, but 3-3 has Viktor Kudo who isn't funny at all, and the same can be said for Jean Armstrong.

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>Tfw finished Trials and Tribulations for the first time just the other day

That feeling of realising who the killer actually was in the final case is to die for.

>>383791348
AA1 is kind of classic in all respects, but if you'd go and replay it you'll notice that a lot of the problems you have with later games are very much present in AA1, especially the earlier cases. Maybe the novelty just dropped off?

AA2 has a decent second and a great last case, but it's generally agreed it's a weak entry. AA3 is usually deemed to be really good across the board, though.

>>383791503
>Apollo Justice is pretty good.
Ok this post is defining proof that nu-/v/ is real and has a terminal case of shit taste.

>>383793580
talk for yourself

>>383791348
why the fuck was 1-5 so goddamn long
I get that they wanted to show off what they could do with the DS but it just KEPT fucking going

>>383792946
I agree. That case gets a lot of shit, but it certainly felt rewarding to me.
Also, you want to play AAI1 to understand some of the details in AAI2, which is probably the best game of the franchise.

>>383793670
It was the selling point for the DS port of the first game in Japan. It had to pass as a game purchase's worth of content.

>>383793812
mm, never considered that
yeah, that makes sense

>>383792560
AAI2 is the best game in the series so yes

>>383793660
l bet you also liked Athena and Blackquill too you tasteless sack of shit

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I think Shu just got too cocksure of himself with AA2 and AA3. He obviously really enjoys writing goofy characters and creating reams of inane dialogue, as those are the things he focused most strongly on with AA2 and AA3. To the detriment of the quality of the gameplay, to the detriment of the atmosphere, and to the detriment of any semblance of the plots being believable whatsoever. It probably helps to be very young when you play these games, as most surely were.

However, Ghost Trick was fucking awesome, so sometimes Shu gets his head on straight.

T&T > AAI2 > SoJ > AA1 > DD > AJ > AA2 > AAI > Professor Layton vs Wright

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>>383793297
>tfw the credits start rolling and you realize the ride is over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bzmOd8KP7c

>>383794210
Why you so mad brah

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>>383794210
Weebquill is the best thing in the newer games.

>AA1 is the best!
>the game that starts at the 4th case
Nah you just have extreme nostalgia goggles, frind.

>>383794809
1-2 is one of the best in the series

>>383794872
>le Mia wins the case for you

>>383794872
?
not OP but what do you even mean
every case is important in AA1, even the first case which introduces Butz, who is not only a semi-important backstory character but becomes a very important witness later on
you could argue 1-3 is pointless, but it does some worldbuilding at very least

>>383794428
props if people even get all the references at this point

fucking hell
>>383794997
meant for >>383794809

>>383794872
Not him, but if you think that shitty excuse for a finale of a case makes it "one of the best in the series", you're just wrong.
The initial twist and emotional pull the case has are pretty good, but other than that, and introducing some characters, it has not much going for it.

>>383794216
Shu Takumi has never been about the murder plots themselves, he's always been a character guy. Yamazaki has generally better plots from purely a writing perspective.

That said, AA2 isn't him feeling "cocksure" at all. The game had to be finished in under half a year or something, the deadlines were crazy.

>>383794809
What makes the games "start" for you?

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>>383794997
1-3 is really far from pointless, it has Edgeworth's major character shift

It's hard to call any case in any game pointless, though, there's always SOMETHING

>>383795262
ah yeah, I forgot about that
Wright would have lost the case if he didn't step in too
same thing happened in 1-5 iirc

>>383795336
Yeah, but 1-5 is already post 1-4-Edgeworth, so he's effectively a good guy. 1-3 is where he actually sees the light, and 1-4 could be considered the fallout from that.

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I'll give you AA2 but AA3 > AA1 every day.
Had the best tutorial case in the Trilogy, better cases overall, and a great ending.

>>383795414
yeah, I totally agree

>>383795262
I think that's the actual difference between AA1 and the rest of the series. Every case in AA1 feels like it advances the characters somehow, whereas in the rest of the series the characters have one or two moments across the entire game.

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Why is every single case about murder?

Why can't any case be about something besides MURDER?

Fuck it gets repetitive.

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>rating by game, not by case

i shiggy diggy

though considering how cases benefit from each other within a single game this is kind of silly too

>>383795336
1-5 was pretty weird because he seemed to have already developed into his 2-4 self. It looks together quite well with the ending though.

>>383795486
Eh, AA1 just has the benefit of EVERYONE being new. Every other game also advances characters (including main characters) plenty, but they're just more secondary, like new prosecutors and assistants and such.

Which I guess is a good argument for AA4 having been an actual reboot rather than a Phoenix game in some ways.

>>383795506
Turnabout Reclaimed wasnt murder.

>>383795506
because it would be boring as fuck
Who the fuck wants to solve a case about a theft when you know the stakes are really low?

The thing about murder is the punishment that the killer will receive. It's the highest crime. You think Atmey gave a fuck about going to jail for stealing an urn? No, he was trying to cover the murder because the punishment would have been 1000 times worse.

>>383795486
You've clearly never played AAI2.

>>383795506
I don't know what you mean! In Trials and Tribulations, we had that case about grand larceny.

Which turned out to be about murder.

>>383795682
I should have said trilogy instead of series, yeah. I'm working my way through AAI2 and it is absolutely the closest so far to recapturing AA1.

>>383795049
I like him more for how no nonsense he is in trials. I loved when he just fucking walked out when athena started doing her bullshit. He's easily my favorite prosecutor, followed by Barnham.

>>383795506
There's technically some cases that aren't, but there's always someone who dies, yeah. Except the first case of Layton. 3-2 doesn't start that way, though, and there's a few cases (5-DLC, 6-3) that don't end that way.

>>383795049
You so fucking mad HAHAHA

>>383795751
>>383795804
woah, what happened?

>>383795670

I disagree. With an actually talented writer, you could make cases about a great many things besides murder, which could still be full of intrigue and drama.

Unfortunately Shu Takumi wasn't of that level of talent. So murder. Murder. MURDER

>>383795049
the best part about 4chan X is that I can laugh at faggots like you long after your post gets deleted

>>383795841
When has there being a murder been an actual detriment to the case?

>>383795841
>oh no! WHO STOLE THE PAINTINGS?!
>Ace Attorney: divorce trial
>I'll defend my client, AND PROVE THAT HE DIDN'T GO OVER THE SPEED LIMIT!

No, you're just a retard. Mystery without murder is garbage.

>>383795914

It just gets old bruh.

>>383795982
you get old

>>383795960

Found the 12 year old.

>>383795960
3-2 was still good even before it turned into a murder plot

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Excuse me could you please take a look at this?

>>383795982
Does it? More often than not the murder itself becomes very secondary to all other goings-on, there's been a whole bunch of crimes combined with a murder in there somewhere, so it's not like they haven't explored that.

>>383796068
the civil trial in 6-5 wasn't good, and got worse when it became a murder, and even worse when it became LOL MAYA IS KIDNAPPED XD

>>383791348
1-4, 3-1 and 3-5 are great and the rest is almost completely disposable. You can have some fun with some cases if you like the subejct matter or some of the characters, but the stories and court scenes simply aren't that good.

>>383796108
Nope. Can't say I know anything about that.

>>383795960
>implying freeing a woman from a horrible marriage or saving a man from the death sentence that is alimony wouldn't be 10/10

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>>383796108
What is that glossy ass fake looking piece of shit? Here, look at mine.

>>383795960
A speed limit trial could be fun if it was quirky enough.
>"I'll have you know my client remained UNDER 40 and I can prove it by what was playing on the radio at the time!"
>"But the officer caught him listening to a speed metal station!"
>"Objection! At the time of this photograph, the station was playing its smooth jazz interlude!"

>>383796108
I'm sorry, I've never seen that before.

>>383796170
>You can have some fun with some cases if you like the subejct matter or some of the characters

what the fuck are you even playing the games for

>>383791348
No game in particular was extremely bad, but some individual cases dragged on.

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>>383796108

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>>383796158
>the civil trial in 6-5 wasn't good

get outta here

>>383796108
>>383796186
Worst part of the AA4 and beyond games. With so few conversations written for presenting inconsequential evidence and seeing everyone's reactions, the game lost so much charm.

>>383796347
>proceeds to become a hobo pianist

>>383796297
Good writing and good gameplay. Kinda being entertained by some of the animations or a joke or two here and there is different from being truly engaged in the story and puzzle-solving.

>>383796371
>muh retard witness and disabled loli

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>>383796347
>give it three years, then we'll see what you have become

DEEPEST LORE

>>383796453
They were great though, no greentext is gonna change that

>>383795262
It's hard to call any case pointless filler really. We get new characters in every game (new prosecutors mainly) so the middle cases are pretty important to flesh out their personalities. Putting aside the plot relevance some middle cases like 2-2 have:
>JFA's serve to introduce and humble Franziska with 2 consecutive defeats leading to her change in approach in the final case and later games
>T&T's establish Godot's character as somebody who's got a bone to pick with Nick and we only find out why in the final case
And so on. Admittedly the cases could have been better but they're there for a reason

>>383796428
>>383796467
1-5 was being written while AA4 was being made. It's not in the original 2001 game, it was made for the DS remake. Maybe you you knew that, but that's the point: it didn't take all that much forethought to add this to 1-5.

>>383796447
But the puzzles never really dip in quality (nor are they particularly better in those cases), and there's plenty of good stuff between those cases story-wise. Yeah, they're the strongest, but that doesn't mean the rest is shit.

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>>383796401
Not being able to present profiles is a huge loss too.

>>383796614
The rest isn't shit (most of it isn't), but it's nothing special. Unlike the cases I've mentioned, the rest seemed completely forgettable to me. I wouldn't be interested in the series for Steel Samurai, Tres Bien or Circus cases, I'm only playing for the emotionally charged stuff.

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>>383796371
Atishon was definitely one of the best "witnesses" of the whole franchise imo, and I guess his animations that the 3DS were capable of boosted his impact as a humorous stuck-up candidate. I'm sure Phoenix could've handled that hostage situation better anyways, it was too strange for him to go against "the truth" even if it was to save Maya, he kind of does the opposite of JfA's 2-4 there.

>>383796613
AA1 on DS released on 2005.
AA4 released on 2007

>>383796754
You'll find that if you kick out those cases the emotionally charged stuff suddenly becomes a whole lot less resonant. Character and world building is important.

>>383796772
>I'm sure Phoenix could've handled that hostage situation better anyways
This. The only problem with that otherwise great as fuck case was that the mystery of why Wright was doing that made no fuckign sense.

>>383796772
>Dhurke knows Paul is full of bullshit with the kidnapped ploy
>doesn't tell Phoenix because

>>383796824
That's roughly the development cycle of an AA game. It takes Takumi about a year to just write a script.

>>383796918
Because he can't divulge that he's "Maya".

>>383796945
Phoenix being in AA4 wasn't even in their minds when they began working in the game. It was a decision from the higher-ups during development.
The Lana text is just a coincidence, or might even be the localization.

>>383796837
I disagree. The middle cases are so tiresome that I always have to play the games in two takes. I personally can't help but quit after case 2 or 3 and come back after, like, a few months at best, suffer through 3 or 4 and finally get to play the good case again. "World building" is a buzzword that means nothing. Good characters are introduced and developed right int he good cases, the rest is disposable fluff that doens't playa role in anything.

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>>383797007
The character establishing moment when Dhurke saves Apollo from drowning becomes a lot less touching once you realize Dhurke wasn't even risking his own life by swimming all the way to rescue Apollo

>>383791348
Don't bother with the Edgeworth games senpai. As much as I like him and loli Franz, cutting the court part from it was pretty lame and boring. He's a prosecutor not a goddamn detective.

>>383797096

I completely agree. The middle cases in AA2 and AA3 are just shit tier filler. The only fun cases are the first and last ones. I don't understand how anyone can enjoy shit like 2-2, 2-3, 3-2, 3-3... tasteless cucks.

>>383796546
To be fair, 2-3 is literally filler because nothing that happens in the case has any impact on the overall game (besides Franziska suffering another defeat). 2-2 has the excuse that it introduces the Kurain branch family plotline, and 3-3 teases Godot's colour blindness as well as giving Gumshoe a girlfriend. 2-3 is just a bunch of annoying, unfunny characters assembled into an irritating mess.

>>383797346
>He's a prosecutor not a goddamn detective.

To be fair though, in the AA games Phoenix always played private investigator when he wasn't in the court. That was totally unrealistic yet nobody seemed to care.

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>>383797096
Okay, let's have an example. Imagine AA1 without case 3, a "disposable" case. There's major development for Maya, Gumshoe and Edgeworth there, there's world building in the setting up of Steel Samurai and various running gags, a novel murder motive is explored. There's very little cases in the series where there isn't something going on the the background.

You're full of shit, honestly. It just sounds to me that you don't really like the series at all, which is fine, but don't try to go around it in such a circumspect way.

>>383797346
That's just one of the weird Japanese legal system things. Cops are just gophers for prosecutors who are often in charge of the actual investigation.

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AAI2 > AA3 > AA1 > AA4 > AA2 > AA6 > AA5 > AAI

Based on my overall enjoyment and not about "THIS GAME HAS X GOOD CASES" bullshit like most retards rate the games.

>>383797616
Add rewrite development for meaningful cases and drop filler shit. As simple as that.

Mind, I'm not actually against stand-alone cases. It's jsut that Takumi and his writers don't seem to be able to make them feel meaningful, in my opinion.

>>383797917
There's very, very little "filler shit" throughout the series. If you're talking of buzzwords, that's a good one.

>>383797483
The flow of the story would be broken if there was no case where Phoenix investigates with Maya. Hopping right from Maya being arrested to Maya being kidnapped would feel really awkward. It also introduces Edgeworth back into the story and certain story elements related to Franziska.

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>>383797864
>AAI is the worst game in the series
>AAI2 is the best game in the series
How did Edgeworth redeem himself so much?

>>383798050
Everything in AA1 is filler shit but 1-4, for example. There are tiny elements that are meaningful for the good case, but otherwise it's just crappy pop Japanese writing that's too long and meandering for its own good. In AA3, cases 2 and 3 are definition of filler shit. The whole of AA2 is filler shit between the good games.

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How many drugs was Shu on when he created this fucker?

>>383798190
Three.

What were they called again?

>>383798093
The good cases can be rewritten to accomodate that. That's how it's done instead of writing whole disposable cases that are a chore to play.

>>383798187
>crappy pop Japanese writing that's too long and meandering for its own good

This is how I feel about all of AA2 and much of AA3. Clicking though hundreds of dialogue boxes where characters say hardly anything meaningful let alone entertaining.

>>383798176
The devs went to a summer camp.
Not even kidding.

>>383798187
No case in AA1 is filler shit, maybe except the last one that was tacked on later.

>>383798262
SILK HAT
CLOAK
WHITE ROSES

>>383797590
>>383797684
I wanted to prosecutor niggas though

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>tfw no crazy tomboy Dahlia

>>383798364

The Steel Samurai case wasn't really vital to anything, but it wasn't terrible like Big Top or Tres Bien.

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>>383798262
I like you, anon

>>383794686
I was pleasantly surprised by how well the localisation team handled that case. Honestly my second favorite case of the game.

>>383798093
Maybe they shouldn't rely solely on Maya? Like shit, have larry or even edgeworth be kidnapped or something

>>383798317
Right. But writing is much better in main story cases, which is why I think they shouldn't have tried stand-alone cases until they hire a writer who can create that. Takumi is better at major stories and is pretty bad at short stories.

>>383798364
Are you retarded? The first and second cases could be combined into one with the fourth and the third case dropped entirely. In fact, the whole story would work infinitely better if it was one big case of grandiose courtroom shenanigans, seperated into chapters.

>>383798454
see >>383795262

It's a very important case in the first game. The fact that you don't remember speaks volumes.

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>even 1-5
Yes?

>>383798421
I played through AAI somehow convinced in the end that there's going to be a court battle. Then the stupid game ended. I wouldn't quit long before that had I known that there are no court scenes at all.

>>383798538
You want to open the game with Mia murdered immediately, Butz not introduced, and the first bad guy being White? Do you not understand pacing whatsoever? Putting a story into climax overdrive from the get-go is an awful idea.

>muh filler
this isn't your chinese cartoons, you fucks.

>>383791348
I think its a tradition in the AA games to make Case 3 terrible.

Turnabout Big Top sucks, but if you don't love the other 3 cases in the game, I can't help you.

AA3 is great, but case 3 sucks again. 3-4/3-5 bring back the AA1 feeling to me, and Godot is a great character.

Maya blabbing is the best thing about Ace Attorney. I love Maya.

Apollo Justice is my favorite game in the series and its underrated by retards.

All that said, you are probably right that AA1 is the greatest game in the series. There's just something about it.

>>383798550
>The fact that you don't remember speaks volumes.

To be fair, I played the game a DECADE ago and haven't played it since. Forgive me for not remember intimate details of a DS adventure game I haven't played in ten years.

Justice for All is incredibly overrated because people fall for le Clown meme (the case isn't THAT bad especially compared to 4-2 and 4-3 and the Ventriloquist was worse)

>>383791503
Apollo Justice is shit, 4-1 is great on a first play but when you look back at it in context of the entire game it makes no fucking sense why Nick and Zak do anything they do, and the game doesn't build Kristoph up as anything at all before revealing that he's evil.

>>383791831
>The gameplay additions (besides divination seance) in DD and SOJ are welcome
What? Divination seance is literally video evidence. It's far and away the best gameplay gimmick since Nick's original Psyche-Locks.

>>383798632
AAI2 has a court scene during the final case.

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To be honest, I've never found any AA game boring.

I've played them all and have enjoyed every minute of it.

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Anon!! my sources tell me you're int charge of the new AA game, who is coming back and who will take the spotlight?

>>383798813
Stop getting all defensive over me calling you out on it then, dude

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3-3 is the worst case in the entire series

>>383798741
>Maya blabbing is the best thing about Ace Attorney. I love Maya.

Mia is a thousand times better. I'm sure when Phoenix bones Maya he has to get her to channel Mia just so he can actually enjoy himself.

>>383797483
>To be fair, 2-3 is literally filler because nothing that happens in the case has any impact on the overall game (besides Franziska suffering another defeat).
Much like 1-3 was for Edgeworth, 2-3 is a watershed moment for Franziska.

She literally wins you the case by springing a surprise investigation on Acro's room which makes it so he can't get rid of the evidence. He credits her at the end for finding the truth.

2-3 is the case which makes Franziska question her entire career path up to that point.

>>383798270
The story would turn into a convoluted mess if they tried to connect everything to each other too much. It needs to have some self-contained mysteries. Even if the mysteries themselves aren't tied to the bigger plot, they move things forward with the main characters and have some thematic relevance. With stories, you want to have a beginning, middle, and end. Cutting the middle part because it's not as exciting doesn't benefit the story as a whole.

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>>383798904
>have enjoyed every minute of it.

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>>383798918
>best case scenario: an Athena game (not even kidding) to put her to the level of SoJ Apollo
>worst case scenario: it's Phoenix getting the whole game to himself

Honestly though at this point I want to see DGS localized and maaaybe an AAI3, though

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>>383798741
>if you don't love the other 3 cases in the game, I can't help you
JFA is shit. 2-4 can't save it. The soundtrack is ass, the characters are obnoxious, the entire game feels like get to case 2-4.

>>383799041
Why was it we had to keep watching this again?

>>383798859
Kristoph is Dahlia but better.
He was evil but had an actual build up to it.
Dahlia was just evil because she was evil.

>>383799009
Nah. It's not great, but has some fun characters and situations, and the plot makes sense. 2-3 and 4-3 both have abysmal plots AND unlikeable characters across the board, making them an actual chore to play.

>>383798918

von Karma.

Every character is Manfred von Karma.

>>383798918
Athena game in the vein of SoJ. 6-4 is filler tier but it shows that both Athena and Blackquill still have unfinished business with their character arcs and having Athena thrown into Apollo's role when she is clearly still not ready for it could make for interesting cases. I hated Apollo before SoJ and it completely redeemed him for me.

Gumshoe will be back, but I think this will happen anyway. They teased him the same exact way they teased Ema in 5 and she came back.

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>tfw AAI is one of my favorites in the series

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>>383799120
BECAUSE FUCK YOU WE MADE THIS VIDEO AND YOU BETTER WATCH IT

>>383799120
you literally watch the entire thing twice in the entire case, and the rest are just chunks of it to point out stuff.
People and their selective memory are the worst

>>383799174
>I hated Apollo before SoJ and it completely redeemed him for me.
Because they gave him even more tragic sob backstory bullshit?

>>383799230
Fuck off dude, those chunks have no text skip and have to be watch over and over if you mess up. It's horrible.

t. played this case two weeks ago, so no selective memory

>>383799130
He didn't though. He gets introduced and gets all of one case before you know he's evil as shit and he does everything because he's autistic and Nick took his job. You have absolutely no time to get attached to Kristoph before Nick steps in. And then he comes back in the end because his plan is convoluted and retarded. Calisto Yew was a better use of "evil defense attorney".

The most egregious thing about the Gavin brothers is that they could have been great. Kristoph being obsessed with the law is a great character trait on paper, and Klavier could have had a ton of character development with having to deal with the way his brother turns out. But Klavier mostly just laughs it off.

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>>383799305
Apollo was good in SoJ not because of his backstory, but because they made him step up to the plate.

>>383791348
Turnabout Big Top legitimately made me put down Pheonix Wright Justice for All from High School in 2007 - 2014, then I only played it until the final case sort of started.

>>383797864
>>383798176
>>383798893
Is AAI2 really that good? I skipped it because I didn't enjoy 1. I didn't really like AJ either.

>>383799305
Because he steps up and becomes the true fucking successor to Nick that he never was in AJ. He defends the law office, defends Nick's child, defeats Nick in court (Nick didn't have the truth on his side to be fair), and then wins the final case and frees his family all on his own.

Edgeworth has a huge sob story too, it doesn't stop him from being the best and most developed character in the franchise.

>>383799391
Not that anon, but I like Kristoph, He's well set up to be a proper mentor, and his conservative absolute law nature works well. Taking him down in 4-1 felt really damn badass. It's just too bad he doesn't get a proper showdown in 4-4, that always felt anticlimactic.

Klavier is and will always be a wasted opportunity and a shit character.

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So can I confirm that I'm the only person alive who likes this game?

>>383798741
>Apollo Justice is my favorite game in the series and its underrated by retards.
4-2 and 4-3 are hands down the worst two cases in the series and you have dogshit taste if you think a game with them is even close to AA1, 3, or AAI2. It's not better than 2 or AAI1 either.

>>383799120
Because Gramaryes are assholes and didn't tell you how the disappearing act was performed.

>>383799328
You can actually skip the text (as in make it appear instantly), but not the video in the background :^)

>>383799548
I want to fuck Pearl and cum on her forehead

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>>383799472
You're missing out, some argue it's the best game in the series. The fan translation is phenomenal, too.

>>383799472
It is Debeste game in the series.

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>>383799548
Most people like the game, but most people just also consider it a weaker entry. There's no real bad games in this series at all, and AA2 has a fantastic final case.

>>383798460
Wait, did they do a sequel for the live action movie?

>>383799548
I think it's incredibly underrated and it's a very key turning point for Nick's character in the trilogy, especially since AA1 is really Edgeworth's character game. AA1 teaches Edgeworth what it means to prosecute, this game teaches Nick what it means to defend. AA1 is much clearer with its criminals and victims, AA2 introduces a LOT more grey areas and Nick has to deal with not every victim being blameless, and not every criminal being the worst kind of person.

2-1 is stupidly vanilla but introduces Maggey, 2-2 is very underrated, 2-3 is notably dumb but has a memorable ending (although 5-DLC was basically 2-3 but better), and 2-4 is definitely one of the best cases in the series.

I think the OST is good too but some people don't like it for some reason.

>>383799776
It's one of the stage plays or musicals, I'm pretty sure

>>383799719
>There's no real bad games in this series at all

The decline from AA1 to AA2 is phenomenally terrible. AA2 may not be "bad" but compared to AA1 it's fucking BAD.

This series' ardent fans are legions of apologists with shit taste though, hence they love each and every game.

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>>383799134
>the plot makes sense

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Personally I'd rank the series

AAI2 > AA1 = T&T > JFA > AAI1 > DD >> AJ

AJ is the only game I actively dislike, DD has a lot of flaws but even so I found it to be charming in a number of ways.

>>383800027
I mean, it was already previously established that the Judge is retarded, and Payne probably didn't care as it meant he was finally going to beat "Wright".

>>383799931
AA2 was a decline for sure, there's no real way around that. It was written in three and a half months.

> Development of the game began immediately when Takumi returned to work from his vacation: the producer, Atsushi Inaba, called him in to a meeting, and told Takumi that he wanted him to write the script for five episodes before the game went into full production, with a deadline of three and a half months.

I get the feeling that 2-2 (which ties into AA3) and 2-4 were done first, which is why they're the best cases. 2-3 and 2-1 really seem like they'd be better with a bunch of rewrites.

>>383799009
Viola saves the case from being a complete shitshow but yeah it's pretty awful otherwise. The old man is literally Oldbag but with no redeeming or charming qualities.

When the fuck are they going to pull the trigger on that rumored "Nick has to defend criminals in the underworld" game and bring her back?

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>>383799548
2-4 redeems the entire game.

>>383800164
>oldbag turns out to be a grand dame mafia matriarch

>>383799579
4-2 is fine and introduces Trucy, and 4-3 is bad but its no Turnabout Big Top.

>>383795516
Turnabout Big Top should just be clown joke tier below shit tier

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>>383800073
>AJ is the only game I actively dislike

What is so bad about AJ? Why does everybody hate it so much?

How did AAI2 change so drastically from AAI1?

>>383799579
Also AAI is worse than 4-3 until the last 2 cases

>>383800138
The rest might be interesting to those who dislike 3-3:

>Takumi thought that this was "completely insane", as it had taken him an average of more than a month to write each of the four episodes for the first Ace Attorney; additionally, he felt that he did not have any "tricks" left to use for mysteries or any story threads to work off of. He wanted to protest, but still ended up having to do it. As soon as he returned to his desk, he drafted a work schedule:[10] he scheduled two and a half month to write the dialogue, with half a month per episode, leaving him with a month to create the first prototype and figure out the "tricks" to be used in the mysteries. He doubted that he would be able to do it in time, but managed to write the whole script by the deadline.[11] However, due to issues with memory on the game's cartridge, one episode ended up having to be cut from the game; it was later used as the third episode of the third game.

>>383799548
the last case is my favorite in the series

>>383800283
4-3 is far worse than Big Top with a completely idiotic premise from the prosecution and 4-2 not only has the worst defendant in the entire series, but it "introduces" Trucy with a retarded subplot to find her pantsu

Eldoon deserved better.

>>383800337
It just has a mediocre and a very bad case as the second and third. It doesn't have anything to do with the character switch or anything like that, it just has bad cases. It doesn't help that the gameplay feels stilted and awkward and they shoehorn in too many DS gimmicks.

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>Dai Gyakuten Saiban never fucking ever

AA literally prints money because of how cheap is it to make. I'm fine with a fucking digital release capcom, just fucking do it.

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>>383800367
Reminds me of how Gastrodon was supposed to be a Gen III Pokemon

>>383798705
I want the whole game to be rewritten either about Edgeworth or Mia/Maya and the rest to be dropped or delegated to subplots and integrated into the composition as such. You know, the way long-form storytelling works. Because Takumi, like many writers, simply can't do short-form.

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>>383800440
I keep forgetting this guy's name, he's so fucking bad. I replayed the series a few weeks back and I completely forgot how the ENTIRETY OF DAY ONE is this retard and lol pantsu. He's one of the worst witnesses in the series.

>>383800445
>a very bad case as the second and third

Worse than 2-3 or 3-3? Really?

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>>383798437
The games' concept art is full of some neat stuff
>biker Mia

>>383799894
Ah, that makes more sense.

>>383800581
4-3 is widely regarded as the worst case in the series, over 2-3.
It's that bad.

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>>383795516
Prove me wrong bitch.

>>383800440
I mean Trucy is my waifu so I'm biased.

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>>383800573
This guy wasn't actually that bad and he was mostly helpful but holy hell was he ugly

>>383800337
Weak cases, forgettable characters, unlikable main character, hobo Wright

Does Wright actually finally put his meat in Maya's hamburger in the end? I've not played the most recent games because I refuse to buy another 3DS

>>383800581
2-3 is probably still the worst case, but I'd definitely argue that 4-3 is worse than 3-3 by some distance. It's really, really bad.

>>383800337
>What is so bad about AJ? Why does everybody hate it so much?
It has bad cases (4-2 and 4-3 are particularly awful), a prosecutor who undergoes no character development, a protagonist who might as well not exist, Ema's entire disposition is ruined and she's incredibly annoying, and a very out-of-character Nick chessmastering everyone

>How did AAI2 change so drastically from AAI1?
The team got another game under their feet after working on AAI1 and hit their stride. The same thing happened when they moved to mainline and SoJ was much better than DD.

>>383800581
No not really, people just hate AJ for no reason.

4-4 more than makes up for it anyway, its like the most godlike case in the series. And it makes the earlier cases better in hindsight.

>>383799472
It's good yes, but be wary it's hyped up way too much because it's not officially localised, so don't go in with your expectations too high otherwise you'll ruin it for yourself.

>>383800725
>Ema's entire disposition is ruined and she's incredibly annoying
Ema was always a terrible character and was incredibly annoying. The only character less entertaining than her is fucking Trucy.

>>383800337
>>383800725
Also Perceive is fucking shit and easily the worst gimmick in the series.

>>383800671
That guy is really weird, like they couldn't decide what his character would be. A investigative journalist who actually surpassed Phoenix at some points is really cool and potentially interesting, but then he becomes SWEAT MUCH XD?

>>383791831
>divination seance
Fucking thank you. I couldnt stand those either. I felt like two thirds of them were just flat out misleading. I dont hate them conceptually but the way that the words presented were so vague made it really frustrating to me. Not to mention every one of them turned out to be pants on head retarded in some way.

>>383800789
kys

>>383800725
>Ema's entire disposition is ruined and she's incredibly annoying

I don't like AJ much, but this was a good choice. If she'd just be 1-5 Ema she'd be very similar to various characters in the series. Having a somewhat antagonistic detective who works against the protagonist a little works well.

Ema was incredibly boring in AA6.

>>383800826
O HOLY MOTHER

>>383800646
>4-3 is widely regarded as the worst case in the series, over 2-3.
4-3 is awful, but let's not say things we can't take back.

>>383800776
>No not really, people just hate AJ for no reason.
I think people have given more than enough legitimate reasons to dislike AJ, two extremely weak cases in a 4 case game is enough to not like it.

>And it makes the earlier cases better in hindsight.
What the fuck are you smoking

4-4 RUINS 4-1, which is a memorable case otherwise. But in the context of the overall story, nothing Zak or Nick did in that case makes any fucking sense.

>>383800776
>for no reason
>a ton of posts in this thread listing reasons

fuck off

>>383800891
>omg kooky whimsical genki girls omg omg panty jokes loool
You're right, Ema and Tracy are great characters. Perhaps best int he series. My bad.

What the fuck is going on with Wright as of SoJ?
It's like the writers don't know what to do with him.
Apollo had a lot of stuff going on, sure, but while Phoenix DID a lot of things, he has had absolutely zero character development. He just seems like such an uninteresting character at this point compared to Apollo.

>>383800978
Every case bar the first in 4 is worse than 2-3. 4 is just that bad.

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Just do yourself a favor and learn Japanese already
Then you'll never have to deal with Crapcom's JP only bullshit
Or any other game for that matter.

>>383801013
Nick has absolutely developed as a character, I don't know why people keep saying this. Because we get in his head and he's still a goofy bastard?

In 5-3 he mentors Athena and tells her to get her investigation in before calling the police, then steps away and lets her handle the case.

In 6-2 he tells Apollo he trusts him with his business and his daughter. And then he steps away and lets Apollo take complete control in the end of SoJ because it's Apollo's case and he's earned it.

>>383801013
Wright's story was done in T&T. They should've either just dropped him there or have him take a backseat in the later games.

>>383800904
>Ema was incredibly boring in AA6.
I was fine with her character in AA6. It was nice to see her character get development from AA4 by becoming a proper forensics scientist. For minor characters like Ema this is the best sort of development they should get outside of being involved in one of the game's cases proper. I wish they mention Lana though, it's weird how she's never brought up.

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>>383801013
Phoenix IS an uninteresting character since DD. Capcom forced the writers to reset his character in DD, probably because he's the face of the series, but they really should've stuck to him in a mentor role and Athena as the new rookie.

Apollo completely steals the spotlight in SoJ, luckily, but it's telling how boring a nostalgia case like 6-DLC feels at this point. Been there, done that.

>>383801013
Phoenix's arc has been done since AA4.
He's just there now just for compromise.

Just like Edgeworth. His arc was over with AAI2 but he's still around and "just there" like in AA5 and AA6

>>383801216
I really didn't like her from a gameplay perspective. It felt like she was always on your side, spoonfeeding you shit. That's not interesting. Gumshoe was nice later on too, but he always had a kind of pride to attempt to one-up you.

>>383799024
I wonder if it's legal to fuck Mia while she's being channeled by Pearl. Since legally Godot killed Misty Fey I guess you'd be technically fucking a child even though she's got the body of a dead goddess.

>>383800904
Ema's obsession with evidence makes her different enough, I thought her progression to AA6 was fine enough.

If it wasn't Ema as an antagonistic detective would have been ok but it was a completely jarring shift that didn't make any sense for her character and she just became a hindrance.

The reason you get helpful detectives is because the game's fucking impossible otherwise, you wouldn't get access to evidence ever and would be aggressive on the side of the prosecution (who already has an overwhelming advantage) if they didn't at least help you sometimes.

>>383792865
Maya is the best, and Ace Attorney has never been a super serious game. These games live and breath by their characters, and a lot of them are silly. I feel sorry that you can't enjoy the series because of that aspect.

>>383801319
>necro- and pedophilia at the same time

>>383799783
In relation to the OST, while I do understand their decision to keep Phoenix's Objection theme from AA3 onwards to just be some variant of the original, I like that they went for something different in JFA.

>>383792865
I love that shit though, a visual novel is driven by its dialog and characters, that is why free investigation was so sorely missed in DD.

>>383801135
でも今日はすでに日本語を勉強しました

>>383799783
Mimi did nothing wrong.

>>383801342
That's not really true about her AJ self, though. She's just grumpy - the only case where she makes no sense is in 4-2 where she blocks your access to some evidence, but that just felt like bad writing, not her character. A happy-go-lucky girl detective feels kind of dull at this point. Both Fulbright and Gumshoe at least give you some sort of opposition during the investigation, in AA6 that came down to Rayfa and other secondary characters that happened to be around.

>>383801270
Well Chief Prosecutor was an obvious progression for Edgeworth, as was Nick basically being the big famous defense attorney.

AA6 handled returning characters much better than 5 did, they show up where it's logical for them to do so and they don't steal the show.

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>Played the first two games years ago
>Got halfway through the third but never finished it
>Always been meaning to replay the trilogy
>Finally get the 3DS trilogy a few months back and start there
>Completely forgotten literally everything that happened in the first few games
>Genuinely, I'd played these games before but it was like a whole new experience because apparently nothing had sunk in
>Get to feel the rush of the trials all over again, and the thrill of discovery as the mystery unfolds
>Finish the last case of T&T the other day
>That satisfying feeling of cheating your own brain into thinking you experienced this all for the first time

I love having a shit memory.

>>383800904
>Ema was incredibly boring in AA6.
I dunno, I prefer Ema being all into evidence and shit again because Gumshoe and Fulbright kind of fumbled around with that shit. And the fact that she reverts to a Snackoo-eating asshole when stressed is a logical and good progression of her character.

>>383801008
Ema was fine In 1-5. She only looks worse in retrospect because she was the first of the "like Maya but" characters who got worse as time went on, but in the specific context of that case mirroring all the main cast she was fine.

>>383801610
Edgeworth did nothing.
Maya did nothing.
Pearl did nothing.
Ema isn't jaded anymore but she's so fucking annoying with LOL FORENSICS now.
And the DLC case was fucking awful fan-pandering.

>>383801742
>Edgeworth did nothing.
Edgeworth is the only reason you and your buddies can fucking move around as wanted criminals with Dhurke and have any authority to investigate shit.

>Maya did nothing.
Maya is the entire lynchpin of the biggest twist in the fucking game.

>Pearl did nothing.
No, but that's the point. You go to Kurain for part of a case so it's logical that she would show up in some capacity. It would be stupid for her not to, one of the better things in Ace Attorney is building a consistent world. Pearl doesn't need to steal the show but it wouldn't have made sense for her not to show up at all in a game all about spirit channeling and Kurain.

>>383801441
>while I do understand their decision to keep Phoenix's Objection theme from AA3

No dude, that Objection isn't great

Everyone remember's AA1's Objection, they should've used THAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6uddfbUtNM

>>383801742
>Maya did nothing.
She got jailed and kidnapped.
But yeah, she was fucking horrible in AA6. Even more the way she acted like a dumbass teenager despite being pushing 30s already. All because devs are too afraid to change returning characters too much.

>>383801728
I guess we'll have to see what AA7 does - in AA6 she isn't actually that present and mostly defaults to apologizing about Nahyuta. If they can find the right balance, I'm fine with her.

>>383802026
I love 1's theme but I also love SoJ's
The rest are okay

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>>383802098
I'm kind of annoyed that they didn't use this concept, made her look mature and like Mia

>>383802106
I assume she will be gone in AA7 (provided they sideline the Kurain characters) and Gumshoe will return to the main game. They teased him in the same way that they teased Ema in 5.

>>383802026
>>383801441
PLvsAA actually remixes the Objection theme from AA1 and kept it as his theme, as opposed to remixing the AA3 theme like DD and SOJ.

>>383800725
SoJ was shit. That stupid new country we were forced to care about didn't help.

>>383802223
I prefer flat Maya idk how I would feel about her gaining multiple cup sizes out of nowhere

>>383802223
I'm about to start SoJ, but how is Maya's bust in this game? Is she going to turn into a titty monster like her sister?

>>383801742
>Edgeworth did nothing.
He sets up everything logistically in 6-5 with all his connections. Phoenix and co. would've been fucked without him. He also showcases his development from the AAI games and gets some more in 6-DLC, mainly by double-teaming with Phoenix in pursuit of the truth. Phoenix even reflects on this at the end of the case.
>Maya did nothing.
She's involved heavily in both 6-3 as the defendant and 6-5 where she gets kidnapped. You could argue she didn't need to be in the game and didn't receive good enough development, but she definitely didn't do nothing.
>Pearl did nothing.
I mean she's in 6-5 for all of a second and it makes logical sense for her to be there since she lives in Kurain Village.
>Ema isn't jaded anymore but she's so fucking annoying with LOL FORENSICS now.
As opposed to "LOL BURGERS" and "LOL MAGIC"? You can caricaturize all the assistants like this.
>And the DLC case was fucking awful fan-pandering.
It wasn't the fan-pandering that made that case lackluster. The stuff with Edgeworth is easily the best part of the case.

>>383802098
She really should have been more cohesive, but I think she and Nick are just fucking dorks when they're with each other and their relationship is at a point where they aren't really ever going to be super mature unless one of them is in danger.

They should have had her mentor Rayfa a bit more because it was far and away the most mature thing she did.

>>383802227
lol
AA7 will completely drop everything about AA6, just like AA6 dropped everything about AA5

>>383802320
No

>>383802320
Nope.

>>383802320
No but she has hips now.

>>383802098
I think it's safe to assume if Maya shows up she'll be accused of murder, kidnapped, or "murdered". They aren't very creative.

>>383802098
What would have worked is Maya being mature and respected around other people and Nick actually being a bit weirded out by it, but the moment they're alone together she reverts to the same old Maya.

>>383802360
Well no shit, Apollo is on his own now and they're in an entirely different country.

6-4 bridges Athena and Blackquill's character development from 5 and it's likely that they will work off of that in the next game.

3>1>5>4>2

Stopped in the middle of 6 and never went back, whats the consensus on that one?

>>383802526
it's good

>>383802098
The worst thing about Maya in SoJ is easily the part where she lies to protect Dhurke's secret even though Phoenix and co. were going to get killed if they lost the case.

>>383802526
>consensus
>on fucking /v/
lel you're only going to get people spouting their personal opinions as fact

For me 6 is the best mainline after 3 and 1.

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>>383802376
>>383802394
>>383802414

>>383802526
I find 6-5 to be an extremely mediocre case with a bad finale, awful characters, and a lot of recycled plot lines from previous games.

The villain is fucking retarded. Twists are predictable as hell. Nahyuta does jackshit and doesn't redeem his awful character.
Also the overarching story is fucking stupid.

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>>383802320
No, this her actually used art

also get out, spoilers are everywhere

>>383791348
the second one feels like a filler game and the third one becomes repetitive. I never bothered with the next ones.

>>383802647
>official art shows her with the white cloak
>wears it for a single scene then never again
Why?

>>383802526
Consensus is that it's good and a game Apollo sorely needed but you're going to get angry minority since the game came out forever ago and most people have moved on from discussing it.

>>383802526
>5 that high

>>383793258
>I played through AA1 and loved it. JfA was impossible for me to get into, and I played up untill Turnabout Big Top. I recently picked up Trials and Tribulations, and I am about to finish 3-3.
Why the fuck did you skip one of the more important cases in the series.

>>383802223
>Phoenix never gives her the B despite it being set up repeatedly
Nothing pisses me off more when writers are too afraid to move the plot forward like this because they're afraid.

>>383802526
It makes a point to fix some of the problems 5 has, so I would at least put it over 5, just for that.

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Why is this series so divisive

>>383802360
>AA7 will completely drop everything about AA6,
They won't since AA6 setup overarching stories for them to continue. Apollo fucking left the office and they outright teased the Thalassa shit in the ending. When Apollo comes back they're obviously going to bring back the Khurain cast with him too, they're a whole new set of popular characters who fans will eventually want to see return.

The only way AA7 doesn't follow it up directly is if it's focused exclusively on Athena/Phoenix, and in that case AA8 would logically be a proper Apollo-centric game. And they would still make references to AA6, as they always do with past games, even if this is the case.

>just like AA6 dropped everything about AA5
What did AA6 drop? AA5 didn't set up any overarching storylines that needed to be referenced again (which is arguably a fault on the game). The only major events is Phoenix getting his badge back and introducing Athena and Blackquil, all of which are accounted for in AA6 just by their presence.

The only story they've ever "dropped" is the Jury Trial shit from AA4, which is stupid and AA5 should've gain an explanation for it's absence.

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>>383802965
They really should have, they come close far too often. They're just scared for some reason. Maybe they think since they're already effectively Pearl and Trucy's parents that it doesn't matter.

Maybe he'll go fuck Franzy instead. Either that or Nick can't stop dipping into loli pussy every chance he gets, it's amazing how quickly Rayfa gravitated to him.

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>>383795262
Not to mention its the case where Gumshoe turns from 'Humorous contagonist' to 'Legitimate friend and overall top-tier individual'

>>383802965
There's a status quo that must be kept.
Upset that balance and take a risk, you end up with very divisive games like AA4

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>>383791348
2 is terrible by AA standards, but 3 has great filler cases

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>>383791348
I found AA1 to be the best by a lot, but enjoyed the hell out of both 2 and 3.

On the other hand, I also liked Apollo Justice a lot (except for that musician case, logic holes everywhere) but haven't finished Spirit of Justice yet so who knows

Maya doesn't deserve Phoenix. I hope he hooks up again with Iris after her sentence is done.

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So now that the 3DS is about to be put to rest, will AA7 be on Switch?

They should just release their games on a lot of platforms already instead of shitty exclusiveness that does nothing but limit their audience.
AA7 on Switch, PC and Android/iOS would be ideal.

>>383802674

Yeah I'm pretty sure the people who love AA2 and AA3 played them when they were 15 years old. It's the only thing that makes sense.

>>383803403
Iris might get out of jail someday, but she'll never get out of character limbo. Maybe they hung out with each other and Lana while Nick was stuck in there during AAI/2, and his two best friends refused to refer to him by name.

SoJ is good if for no other reason than Datz being a "Larry" done right

After going back and playing the other games in the series I realized that Larry is straight up nothing but a selfish asshole while Datz is a stupid fucking dweeb but has a heart of gold.

>>383803408
Most likely yes.
It'll be nice seeing the 3D models in 1080p in the TV.
Also hopefully the game has a stable framerate instead of the shit one SoJ had on the 3DS.

>>383795130
>half a year

the script was written in 90 days

>>383803541
I think everyone considers AA2 a flawed game but there's plenty to like from a story standpoint and 2-4 is appropriately remembered fondly. AA3 is just straight up good outside of 3-3. Lots of people replay games in this series, a lot of shit holds up.

>>383795130
lol?
the only Yamazaki plot that was good was AAI2.

The overarching stories in AAI, AA5 and AA6 fucking suck.

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>>383803564
>SoJ is good if for no other reason than Datz being a "Larry" done right
I honestly expected him to fuck up with the orb somehow, but he pulled through like a true bro.

>>383802647
eh, I like it better than Mia 2.0

>>383803727
>replay games in this series

God, what a nightmare. I still remember the feeling "just end, end already for christ sake" playing AA3.

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>>383803408
Putting the franchise on PC would just attract a shitload of cancerous casual faggots int the fanbase (pic related). Look what it did to Dark Souls.

>>383803853
? You can emulate the first ones in any pc...

>>383803853
Ace Attorney is kind of babbies first VN anyway, although the accessibility and massive upswing of popularity for Danganronpa probably gives that the title now.

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>>383799548
>>383799783
Reminder that Moe did nothing wrong
Fuck Acro and everyone else though

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>>383802223
>>383802647
>the sudden burst in Maya porn after that prologue anime was revealed

>>383803846
>God, what a nightmare. I still remember the feeling "just end, end already for christ sake" playing AA3.

Amen brother.

How the hell one can actively choose to replay these overly long endlessly talky games I cannot fathom. Especially once you already know what happens anyway.

I mean shit play a VN you haven't played before at least.

>>383800337
4-2 and 4-3 are shit, but I enjoyed 4-4 immensely.
4-5 was okay, but it went a bit heavy on the twists at the end

>>383803909
Well yeah obviously. It's not really the platform that matters here, it's the fact that a new and proper release of the games on Steam would garner attention and hype from casuals. Just imagine the typical reddit-tier "PC Masterrace xD" kiddie trying to appreciate the games properly, that ain't fucking happening.

Another thing is that if the games were put on Steam they'd almost certainly be the shitty Trilogy version from iOS/3DS so they'd be playing a shit version of the game and judging them from that.

>>383803979
You're not wrong, although DR is definitely way more popular than Ace Attorney now (at least in the West). And look what accessibility and PC versions of DR did for that fanbase, it made it even more shit.

>>383800826
>I felt like two thirds of them were just flat out misleading.

Duh?

The only one I had any trouble with was Case 3's first one

>>383804206
> 4-5
?

>>383801219

Phoenix as your consultant during 6-5 felt really nice. I hope we get more moments like that later.

>>383803989
He constantly belittled Wright while remaining oblivious to his own fucking awful sense of humour. The funniest thing that clown could do would be rip his own tongue out.

>>383803403
>falling for the localisation meme
They still hang women in Japan, senpai

>>383804528
>remaining oblivious to his own fucking awful sense of humour
He knows his jokes are bad. That's why he laughs at them since no one else does.

>>383804452
Oh wait, I didn't realize the trial with Vera was the same case as the timejump bullshit
I thought those were seperate, but I suppose not.

The first half of 4-4 was good, the second half with all the timejumps, and WATA TWEEST bullshit was mediocre

>>383804350
>Just imagine the typical reddit-tier "PC Masterrace xD" kiddie trying to appreciate the games properly, that ain't fucking happening.
Imagine the fucking e-celebs/streamers that would jump on the bandwagon too:
>"Top 10 most shocking Ace Attorney breakdowns" with a Reaction Cam thumbnail
>"Dude anime lmao xD"
>"Maya is my waifu! xD"

I want to fucking shoot myself already

>>383802645

Yeah, 6-5 should have ditched the entire first half of the case (even though it had better character moments) and just make it all about Ku'rain shit.

Everything about the last court room day felt extremely rushed and unsatisfying. Like Jove's divination seance. It was built up as a major breakthrough in a 23 year old case that would explain everything and unveil a massive twist/secret but you just point out the culprit's cuffs and that's it. You don't learn anything new and no bombshells are dropped that weren't already glaringly obvious.

They never went anywhere with the orb storyline either.

>>383804623
Yeah, for murder. Iris didn't kill anyone though. She's being sentenced for altering a crime scene, which isn't going to earn her the noose.

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>>383804528
>this man gets this assmad at some puns
He knew his jokes were shit, his entire character was a sad clown who pretended to not be.

I personally agree, OP.

Layton vs Wright is a huge improvement over AA3. You have to remember that Takumi wrote and developed AA2 and AA3 under a massive time crunch. The Tigre case was originally meant to be in AA2.

>>383804862
>babby tier puzzles and court segments
>same defendant 4 fucking times
>character that gets the most development in the game is suddenly removed from the entire game before the final case
>Wright just kind of along for the ride as Layton solves shit like Layton tends to do

I love Layton/Wright's aesthetics, multi-witness drifting, and OST, but it's definitely not better than AA3.

>>383804862
>Takumi wrote and developed AA2 and AA3 under a massive time crunch

This adds a little light to the situation.

I just don't understand how so many fans of the series can't see and acknowledge the massive decline that AA2/AA3 were from AA1.

Simple things for simple minds.

Why does literally nobody see how shitty the writing in AA6 is?

>>383805279
Because it's good and incorporates good thematic elements into the game.

>>383805173
>play Croik's translation of 3-1
>it's incredible
>wait years for full game to get translated
>finally releases
>the remaining cases suck

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>2 months until the Lost Turnabout happens

>>383805339
No it isn't.

>>383791348
AA 1 ost was goat

2 and 3 ost was underwhelming

>>383806202

I agree. I don't know wtf happened with AA2/AA3's OSTs, but they suck compared to AA1.

>>383805279
But I do.

>>383805173
That's normal for all kind of fans since they will defend or minimize/excuse any flaw anything from a series they like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEH0vH5QUyk
Good times

>>383806542
>That's normal for all kind of fans since they will defend or minimize/excuse any flaw anything from a series they like.

Fanboys are real.

>>383806202
I used to hate 2's cornered theme, but it grew on me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cl98sQPDhU
It's so intense and also works well in situations where Phoenix is the one who's cornered.

>>383805747
I forgot, is there any reason why AA2 isn't chronological?

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>>383806554
>that T&T Pursuit remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpjkTqxINQw

I wonder if they ever released the other music (Investigation ~ Core 2001 and Pursuit ~ Cornered remixes) used in the trailer?

>>383807278
No reason. Maya could have been absent in 2-1 and nothing really would have had changed.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1emKlA_cCk

Name a better vidya moment than this. You fucking can't.

>>383805173
AA3 wasn't under a massive time crunch, AA2 was. The Development bits on Wikipedia are super interesting, give them a read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Wright:_Ace_Attorney_%E2%88%92_Justice_for_All#Development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Wright:_Ace_Attorney_%E2%88%92_Trials_and_Tribulations#Development

>>383806554
When the DS was still new I always saw Phoenix Wright and Trauma Center as counterparts