>the state of ps2 emulation

Not all games are that bad off, but PCSX2 is a poorly coded lle hackfest that's been doomed from the start, more or less.

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>>383786592
i remember dragon quest viii flashback scenes were black in hw mode, it feels like emulator was made for kingdom hearts only or something.
is there a way to at least play in software mode without scanlines when screen resolution is high?

>>383786965

I don't remember scanlines being turned on in software mode. Make sure to double check the settings to make sure it didn't automatically enable itself when you switched to sw mode for some reason.

What are the chances rpcs3 will implement the PS3's PS1 and 2 emulation capability and save us from this living nightmare?

Good thing there's a Wii version.

>>383787270

If it does, it won't happen for a long time. By that point PCSX2 might actually be good.

>>383787270
Zero.

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What's up with the PCSX2's lighting lately?

>>383787270
The basic PS3 wasn't emulating the games, it had PS2 parts inside of it

>>383786496
Kek what the hell? I remember playing the Wii version of that game on Dolphin more than 5 or 6 years ago and it was perfect

Oh boy.

>>383787270
the ps3 didn't emulate the ps1 and ps2. the ps2 didn't emulate the ps1. They all used native hardware from the previous generations to run old games. This is fucking expensive and gets worse the more consoles get changed. In example you see the dolphin emulator can run gamecube and wii games, this is because the gamecube and wii use the same hardware and the software to an extent. Going back to the ps3, in later models to slim it down and cut costs Sony removed backwards compatibility by removing the chips and hardware related to the ps1 and 2. The ps4 can't natively run ps3, 2 and 1 games either because it lacks hardware to do so (and it's more because it allows sony to charge you out the ass to play them)

>>383787589
it was always shit

>>383787669

None of the consoles use native hardware for backwards compatibility, they use a mixture of software and hardware to emulate the old consoles. That's why the backwards compatibility is not 100%. In the case of PS1 games it was all software emulation, no hardware at all. That's why when they removed PS2 backwards compatibility from the PS3 PS1 compatibility still remained.

>>383786496
Jesus just buy a PS2 and mod it so you can play off the USB.

>>383788846
i do have it but i want to play on my monitor

>>383787270
M8, ps2 and ps1 BC on ps3 are literal emulators, not native BC like Wii-GC

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>>383788895
https://www.google.com/search?q=HDMI+monitor+for+Playstation+2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH0Z7MoIbVAhVG12MKHVSyBQsQ_AUICygC&biw=1920&bih=971

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>>383789128
components required to convert signal are too expensive desu

>>383789365
True.

>>383786496
What exactly is the problem with playing in software mode? It's the most accurate setting in the vast majority of cases.

>>383789745
It runs like shit and is stuck in 640x480, basically defeats the whole purpose of emulating, the real question is why would you ever use it?

>>383789745
Doesn't use GPU and only runs on native res

>>383789365
source? google, yandex, and iqdb all failed me

as usual with doujin images

>the state of ps3 emulation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTi3AEJqNbU

>>383789901
>basically defeats the whole purpose of emulating
wut, most ps2 games are 240p originally, so what's the problem
the 'purpose' of emulating is not to make it run better than on the original console

>>383789745
if i go beyond around 1200x900 scanlines appear >>383786965 else i do agree that accuracy is more important than upscale

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>Most of the PS2 wasn't exclusive
>For everything else Sony have been gigantic port whores
>PS2 players largely stopped playing games as they got older
What am I supposed to emulate on it, GTA games? Battlefront 2?
There's a reason that PS3 and even fucking WiiU emulation are coming along but PS2 is struggling nearing two decades later.

>>383789901
>>383789914
>native resolution is somehow a bad thing
You don't deserve emulators.

>>383790046
Yes it does
>>383790076
>having a genuine low standard
Might as well just playing on the actual system

>>383790076
i'd rather not play at all than play in 480p

>>383790063
ps2 games dont have bugs that some of these remasters introduced

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>>383790171
>>383790258
>The game as it was intended but with better FPS
>Not an acceptable minimum for emulation
I get that enhancing games is fun but at the end of the day it's a tool to play games I otherwise couldn't on PC. As long as it's at the quality it was originally, but smoother, it's totally fine. Making the game look better is icing on the cake, not what it's here for.

>>383790063
HD rereleases of games like Jak and Ratchet are buggy and glitchy, you can play the original instead

PS2 has the most accurate software backend than any other big 3D emulator though, even Dolphin.
The real problem comes from the lack of developers and the fact that PC APIs are very limited compared to some of the PS2 features, the PS2 was a transparency beast and some of its functions like image blending can't be done by PC APIs or only relative new GPUs can do it.
https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL/extensions/NV/NV_fragment_shader_interlock.txt
Maxwell or newer only.

Also GPU uses float operations which caused inaccuracy since they get rounded even at native resolution.

i could forgive the countless graphical glitches if they just FUCKING FIXED THE GOD DAMN FUCKING INPUT LAG

>>383790351
Thats not how it works for the PS2. PS2 games are tied to a specific framerate and only runs at that framerate, you can't emulate higher FPS on PS2 games. Thankfully most PS2 games were 60 FPS.

>>383787270
>emulating emulators is a better solution than using the related emulator
Has this ever happened before?

>>383790351
It's minimum, but I play games on emulators so I can get those enhancements like the ability to play them on HD and overclocking the original processor so it can runs better.

If I want to play it precisely like the actual console, I get the actual console. You feel me?

>>383786496
Mfw I can't even play God of War 2 without stuttering or up scaling artifacts

Rpcs3 already plays them better, just without sound

>>383790518
Dolphin, sort of. It can run N64 games better via Virtual Console.

>>383790502
>2001
>people play mgs 2 at 60fps on a console
what went wrong

>>383790502
That's how it works for all 3D consoles IIRC, but framerate unlocking exists.

I was more talking about how it will be the original game without any framerate issues though. Unless those also translate to the PS2 emulator in which case what the fuck.

>>383790626
It can only run a few selected games and they all run with problems or with inaccuracy(bad lighting etc) because Nintendo's emulators aren't accurate.
This Dolphin can run N64 games better meme needs to die out.

>>383790570
Yeah that makes sense, I just don't have the cash to hunt down a bunch of older games/don't have the space to do a CRT TV proper retro consoles setup atm.

>>383790670
There can't be framerate issues on the PS2, the game slows down if it goes below the FPS it runs at. So the devs have to make sure it runs at 60 no matter what. Likewise it speeds up of it goes above. You might have heard of this in Bethesda games but it's far more extreme on the PS2.

>>383786496
persona 4 works beautifully for me

>>383790659
>what went wrong
Marketing departments for several reasons got much better at nailing down what would sell games. Which moved the industry away from trying to make the best game to be the most successful.

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>>383790761
>There can't be framerate issues on the PS2, the game slows down if it goes below the FPS it runs at.
Oh shit, what? That's insane.

You're telling me NO ps2 games have framerate dips?

>>383786496
PCSX2 is a gigantic piece of shit. The optimization is the worst of ANY emulator I've ever used. RPCS3 runs better

Thankfully there are almost no games on the PS2 I give a fuck about playing anymore. 99% of them have been ported over to other platforms by now

>>383790659
A better time.

>>383790850
Yep, it's the weird way the PS2 was designed

>>383790850
Nope, some games just run at a solid 15 throughout

>>383788159
Not that anon but I played xenosaga two months ago on a old build 1.3.1 or whatever and the lightning never looked as bad as the screenshot in
>>383787589

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>>383786496
So it's actually getting worse on the latest versions?

>>383790761
>>383790502
You're a fucking retard who has no idea what he's talking about. Play MGS3 or SOTC for 5 seconds and you'll understand how wrong you are.

>>383789365
>translated
Must be the fakku jews work

>>383790761
>>383790850

this is basically how all consoles and arcade cabs work though

there is never framerate choppiness the whole game just slows down instead

really PC is the only platform where the framerate gets choppy at low FPS and even then some PC games have settings to make it slow down instead but I forget what it's usually called

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>>383791145
It seems you are the retard because that's objectively how it works.

>PCs aren't even powerful enough to handle the PS2

LOL

>>383786496
Why do emulation enthusiasts pretend that their emulation is way better than it is when it comes to these console war threads. If PS2 emulation is still shit, is the Wii u one much better?

>>383791258
The ps3/360 and ps4/xbone don't tie framerate to game speed anymore

>>383791296
>not understanding emulation

>>383790063
>Dreamcast - about 70 worthwhile exclusives
>Gamecube - about 60 worthwhile exclusives
>XBox - about 50 worthwhile exclusives
>PS2 - about 300 worthwhile exclusives
Makes you ponder, doesn't it, retard?

>>383791329
>not understanding shitposting

>>383791320
Yes, wii u emulation is MUCH better than ps2 emulation

You being unable to understand this is why console wars exist

>>383791320
Wii U will still take some time.
but all nintendo consoles before that work beautifully. better than the originals.

>>383787590
>>383787669
Incorrect. The PS3 has a fully software PS2 emulator, used for PSN re-releases of PS2 games. You can even run other games in it using custom firmware.

>>383791341
I can't think of a single ps2 exclusive I want to play that didn't get an HD re release which is better than the original

>>383791280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_GLmE7ZBPE

Kill yourself you utter fucking imbecile

>>383791258
Now that you mention it, I do remember that being the case on the N64 as well. Banjos jump sound slowed down if the FPS did.

Guess I just forgot about it

>>383791320
yep

>>383791414
The first generation of ps3 did have ps2 hardware in it though. That's actually true, and those ps3s have full disc backwards compatibility which they then cut off to make the system cheaper

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>>383791341
>About 300 worthwhile exclusives
This is the most overrated console in history.

>>383791416
HD ports suck and I'm not giving my money for some fancy graphics rerelease

>>383791328

yeah 7th and 8th gen consoles are basically like PCs now in many ways

>>383791419
that looks like slow motion to me

>>383791490
That would be Genesis, thank you kindly

>>383791419
The PS3 version has bugs related to the timing because of the changes to framerate.
https://www.playstationtrophies.org/forum/ico-collection-shadow-of-the-colossus/135808-they-have-broken-damn-already-quite-broken-game.html

>>383791519
>consoles now act like PC in the term of convenience
>PC gaming is now much more simpler than before, almost like a console
What's going on lads?

>>383791384
>all previous consoles
But Anon, N64 exist
Dolphin is great tho

>>383791416
I mean, no matter what well regarded exclusive I give, you can just reply with
>I dont want to play that garbage
but any of the Ratchet and Clanks

>>383790502
>>383791145
For SOTC you just have to overclock the emotion engine to get up to 60fps via pcsx2.

MGS3 has that locked 20 at times but there is a 30 or 60 FPS patch for that game. Some other games do this too but you can always overclock to get better FPS. Or underclock to get better performance(Jak or Ratchet work well here for toasters).

So like, imagine being you right now. Wrong as fuck.

>>383791416
FFX, SOTC, KH2, and MGS2/3 are all better emulated.

>>383791628
is there a problem with N64 emulation i am not aware of? i haven't done a lot of it.

>>383791475
Yes, but that's irrelevant really. They were claiming that the PS3 didn't have a PS2 emulator and relied on hardware, and that's bullshit.

http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/PS2_Classics_Emulator_Compatibility_List

>>383791628
Dolphin and VBA seem like the height of emulators but I also don't know a ton about them
>Can make nearly every game run better than the originals on Dolphin
>All those custom Pokemon and Fire Emblem games on VBA

>>383791525
>>383791606
Two of the most willfully stupid people I have ever seen on this board

when is the rpcs3 audio bug in the god of war collection going to be fixed lads?

>>383791779
Dolphin has more issues than N64 emulation, ignore the shitposter.

>>383791796
Drastic DS emulator for android is god tier.
The performance even on mid tier phones is just astounding.

>>383789365
No they're not. You're just a whiny faggot.

>>383791796

VBA isn't even the best GBA emulator any more

mGBA is superior much better sound emulation among other things

>>383791878
Says the tard who still doesn't get how framerates in old games work.

>>383791525
Look at the last 15 seconds of the video, you dense fuckwit

>>383791905
n64 emulation has more issues than dolphin, ignore this shitposter

>>383791878
He says while lacking basic reading skills.

Anons are literally just arguing that on the PS2 hardware a framerate issue would slow down the entire game. And it shows in that shot by shot comparison you posted, when the framerate dips to 20 at the start of the video the PS2 side happens much slower than the PS2 side.

>>383791416
Oh? And where are my HD re-releases of Clock Tower, of Haunting Grounds, of Resi Outbreak, of Shinobido, of Time Crisis, of Timesplitters, of Maximo, of R.A.D, of Steambot Chronicles, of Blood Will Tell, of Onimusha 2, of Way of the Samurai, even of motherfucking Drakengard? Because I can't for the life of me find them.

>>383791930
show me something that costs up to 10 shekels else it's not worth it

>>383791779
The world outside Mario 64 and Zelda is a big mess, still.

>>383791947
>last 15 seconds of the video show it is literally running at the exact same speed despite the framerate drops on PS2
Seriously, remove yourself from existence as soon as possible, you are too stupid to contribute anything of value to the world.

>>383791961
shitposting has more issues than emulation, ignore this dolphin.

>>383791974
see
>>383791954
you retard

>>383786496
>>383786592
It is 2017. Why is PS2 emulation still this bad for what is essentially the greatest console ever made?

>>383792213

PS2 is complex, and only one guy figured it out. He documented absolutely nothing, and aimed it for Direct X. No one knows how to update the plugins, or anything.

>>383792047
I'm the guy who said the changes in timing effects the gameplay, as in bugs.
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/okay-the-ps3-version-of-shadow-of-the-colossus-is-most-definitely-fucked.453754535/
You can find a ton of information about this if you just look up "Shadow of the Colossus PS3 grip".

>>383791525
It is in slow motion, just a little bit. Lots of games slowed down gameplay as FPS went down to make it less jarring.

>>383792213
because pcsx2 was designed around hacks and stupid amounts of plugins and it was inevitably going to limit what was ultimately achievable

>>383792117
Literally a fucking cutscene. It happens every single time in the gameplay for the rest of the video.

YOU retard.

>>383786496
Sakura Wars 5 is shit anyway.

>>383792436
Sakura Wars as a whole is shit anyway.

>>383792256
>>383792362
Goddamn it this fucking sucks. PS2 and PS1 are still my favorite consoles to this day. With N64 and SNES in second place.

I just can't even play modern games anymore and sadly we don't even get actually good remasters or even some good old games digitally.

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>Still no way to properly play Ace Combat outside of Hardware Mode

W-We will surely get an HD Collection if 7 is a success.

Right?

>>383786496
Now run it in software mode. Can't? What are you, poor?

>>383792213
>>383792487
But it's not bad. You can play most games.

>>383792475
No, it's not. Only 5 and 4 are bad.

>>383792369
>real-time cutscene rendered in-engine, with framerate drops in the middle of the cutscene
And yet it doesn't slow down, as you claim it should due to "the way PS2 games are made". I give up, you have shit for brains and can't comprehend basic information.

>>383787589
How do you faggots even get those clean models? Everything I run on PCSX2 looks blurry as fuck.

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>>383792550
I meant Sofwtare Mode

>>383791782
It did rely on hardware. That's the point. The first model PS3 had the Playstation 2's Emotion Engine in it and it ran all of the PS2's software natively.

>>383792621
>real-time cutscene rendered in-engine, with framerate drops in the middle of the cutscene

This applies to the slow motion cutscenes in the game too you fucking nigger. Kill yourself, you're so full of shit.

>>383792646
Upscaling

>>383792646
Increase rendering resolution

>>383792740
No, that doesn't work, even at 4X. Should I disable interlacing?

PCSX2 requires a lot of fumbling around, sure. But if you have a decent rig (not TWO TITANS decent or whatever, 2010-tier decent), you'll likely get a better picture than the native PS2 after 15 minutes of experimenting. It could and by all means should be better, but that's what we're stuck with for now.

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>>383792828
>No, that doesn't work,
ok you know best

>>383792267
>Frame tied game logic
Devs are retarded

>>383792980
ADD much? Jesus...

>>383793012
Its not like it mattered back then, it was designed for the PS2 and they never planned on the future of gaming being lazy ports of old games.

>>383789365
source? spoonfeed a brother for once.

>>383793108
It's just lazy and can be done properly with minimal effort

>>383793217
aiue oka

>>383792606
Yeah I know but certain games do get ruined a bit thanks to the emulation not being as great as it should be. RE4 has that issue with blackened sky to at the beginning of the game. Completely ruining the atmosphere and point.

>>383791419
I honestly don't remember the PS2 version being that slow.

>>383791668
You're right, I don't want to play that garbage
>>383791495
Something like shadow of the colossus or God of War collection is just a straight upgrade though
>>383791756
The HD re releases of all of those games are better, objectively

>>383791883
Idk senpai but I already complained about it itt. Fuck pcsx2

If emulation is so fucky how do multisystem machines like the retron 5 work?

>>383793409
Remember my good friend: if it's also on GC, it's better to emulate it on Dolphin

>>383793661
>>383791987
You're evading answering my question, pussy. Where are those HD re-releases?

>>383793661
>The HD re releases of all of those games are better, objectively
That's empirically incorrect. They're either 30fps, 720p, missing content, buggy, or simple lacking mods. Or all of the above.

>>383793825
Gamecube doesn't have nearly the amount of games PS2 does.

>>383793757
Because the Famicom and the PS2 are two completely different consoles with different technology? I dont even understand this question

>>383793883
SNES GBA ports are consistently good

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>Tfw when after decades of suffering ps2 emulation, all the japanese devs are realizing they can make good money porting older games to steam and you get them on sale for 5 dollars

>>383792213
You'd figure somebody else would've taken this to task after so long.

>>383793920
Let me rephrase that.

>why is PS2 so difficult to emulate on its own when machines that can emulate all previous 5 generations of systems work

>>383793757
They still work bad.
Sound works wrong, input lag, scaling/shimmering issues, some other problems.

>>383793904
Then you emulate it on pcsx2? What's the exact problem

>>383793904
Anon is saying you could just emulate RE4 on GC.

Better yet, fuck it, if your PC is capable of emulation just acquire the Steam version one way or another.

>>383793883
None of the specific ones you mentioned run worse than the ps2 though, and all run at higher resolutions than native. Many of them are even on the pc. Just because the HD release on a Sony console is shit doesn't mean that emulation is the best way to play it
>>383793850
The only game you mentioned that I know of is time splitters and isn't that also on the GameCube? What I said is still true, I don't play weeb stuff so I wouldn't have thought of them

>>383794061
>I don't play weeb stuff
>l-lol no exclusives on ps2, such overrated garbage
stick to xbone, Chaddy-boy

>>383786496
What gaem?

>>383794038
Or torrent the PC release

>>383794137
I have every current gen console and grew up on ps1 and 2

>>383794061
Nobody cares if you personally don't have a use for PS2 emulation you fucking idiot.

I can live with lighting glitches but PCSX2 has unbearable input lag

>>383794061
>None of the specific ones you mentioned run worse than the ps2 though, and all run at higher resolutions than native. Many of them are even on the pc. Just because the HD release on a Sony console is shit doesn't mean that emulation is the best way to play it
I like how you aren't even trying to argue. Good on you for not wasting my time :)

>>383791939
It still lacks an uncapped turbo though.

>All games are ported already
>Oh, these games are not ported? It's not like I knew about them

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>>383794005
Not him but the saddest shit is it seems Nintendo emulation with the exception of N64 gets worked on the fastest with these people. They also work best compared to all other emulators. Since others like Microsoft, Sega and Sony aren't Nintendo they get shafted a bit in favor of the Nintendo consoles with these emulation tech nerds.

>>383791796
I really wanna get into Metroid Prime, is it good on Dolphin? I got the original Wii and it's hacked, but muh resolution.

>>383793661
holy shit you got BTFO so hard already
just leave

>>383786496
truly the dark souls of emulation

>>383791796
You forgot about PPSSPP.

>>383791414
PSN re-releases of PS2 games like HD Collections aren't emulated, they are source ports, hence why PS Vita can run MGS3 so well

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>mfw Dark Cloud 2 emulates flawlessly

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>>383792550
I literally just played through the trilogy in hardware perfectly fine.

>>383795116
1 was better

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>>383791796
How's the metroid prime games? I wanted to play them since forever, but never got to them.

>>383792213
>play Fatal Frame one
>runs flawlessly
>or so I thought
>ghosts randomly become invisible and I can't understand if it's intended or a glitch, since I played it on PS2 so long ago
>apart from that, seems fine
>get to the first encounter with Kirie
>a spooky and imposing cutscene plays out
>the game starts and kirie has no fucking textures
Okay.

>>383794336
Depends on the game. DMC3 has huge lag, MGS3 also had shittons of which to the point I could barely use CQC counter on the boss.

.hack//g.u. surprisingly didn't have noticeable input lack

>>383795505
Dunno about 3, but 1 and 2 runs perfectly.

They're quite demanding compared to other games but assuming that you got a nice pc, it runs pretty good.

>>383795891
What about the controls? How do you even emulate the wiimote?

>>383795945
You can use actual wiimotes or just use mouse. Personally using mouse is frustrating for me.

>>383796072
What about using a regular gamepad?

>>383796370
>>383796072
Scratch that, how do I even connect the wiimote lightbar to the pc?

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>>383792550
werks on my machine :^)

I got a 6700k.
Is that fast enough to just run every game in software mode?

Just curious since I had a FX8350 and it was absolute tits at it with certain games.

>>383796409
there are 10$ pc wiimote lightbars that work better than the wii ones

Works fine on my machine.

>>383796550
>$10 plus $999 shipping from america

>>383796370
Some games natively supports GC controllers

>>383796550
The one I ordered from GAME was pretty neat. It charges with a mini USB, has a button that turns it on for a select time period, and doesnt need to be plugged into anything.

Remember the sensor bar is only two infared lights so it can be externally powered very easily.

Hell, you could use two candles spaced out and it would likely work.

>>383796737
I'm pretty sure metroid prime doesn't, though.

Most instructions say that it binds to mouse really well. Sounds like it would be good to play with a steam controller.

>>383792646
>clean models
>blurry

Computers aren't magic, describe exactly what you mean.

>>383788350
The PS2's backwards compatibility for the PS1 was all native until the 7500 series.

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I mean, to be completely honest, why not just buy a fucking PS2? They are dogshit cheap and chances are you can get one at your local fleamarket or just going to yardsales.

99% of the games are dogshit cheap and the ones that aren't you can just burn.

I legit can go on craigslist right now and get a PS2 + 2 controllers + 10 games for $40

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>>383797216
And as far as a tv/screen goes for it, just buy a cheap crt or older TV. Again, I can get a fucking 30 inch tv on craigslist right now that would work with the ps2 for $20.

Playing PS2 isnt hard my dudes.

>>383786592
>>383792213
It's actually not that bad, most games work well enough. It's simply not as amazing as, say, the GCN and Wii emulation we got (which was aided by internal documentation)

There's also the fact that the PS2's architecture was kinda weird, IIRC there was some chunk of memory that had insane bandwidth compared to other consoles and normal PC's. Getting around that on the games that actually took advantage of it (see: Zone of the Enders) is no small task

>>383797216
Basically because playing in 480i on a big lcd monitor looks surprisingly bad by today's standards. Even with component.

>>383796881
One time when my Wiimote didnt work I spent ages figuring out what caused it.

Turns out, it was a cup of tea.

>>383790761
You are dumb, that entirely depends on how the game was programmed.

>>383797280
No component, no deal. And craigslist isn't available worldwide.

>>383794158
Neon Genesis Evangelion

>>383797368
Ps2 component cables are $8usd on amazon.

>>383797216
>>383797280
Or just emulate it and avoid dealing with giant CRTs or interlacing.

>>383797216
I have one. But my CRT makes a terrible fucking sound and I don't like playing on it anymore. I want to play it on my bigger HD screens, but that will look like shit.

Some games are rare
Buying old games is a hassle in general, it's not about the price
The PS2 is region locked
Hacking one seems more difficult than emulation

>>383797460
You need a TV with component input to use them, dumbass. And not many CRTs have those.

>>383794337
That's literally a good argument though

Let's go through the specifics:
>FFX
>MGS2/3
>SOTC
>Kh2
Why is emulation better than the HD re releases? Be specific. I want one flaw for each HD re release that isn't present in emulation

>>383786496
>spend an ungodly amount of time to set up emulation
>keep tweaking it as you play
>finally reach a satisfactory state
>play for a couple hours
>drop that game and never return to it
What's her name, /v/?

>>383797216
This. PS2 emulation is so patchy that you might as well just buy the console and a mod if you're serious.

>>383797316

The VRAM had seriously high memory bandwidth but it was pitifully tiny (4MB IIRC).
The GPU also followed an unconventional design, while the other consoles and PCs were developing long pipelines with many hardware features, the PS2's GS had a very short pipeline with few features. The extreme VRAM bandwidth made multi-pass rendering practical and flexible, but it took a lot of effort.
The PS2 also contains the VUs which resemble the Cell processor's SPEs. Very useful but hard to use.

The PS2 as a whole was designed to just fuck developers raw, turning their code inside out and making it impossible to port to other platforms.

>>383797703
Not that guy, but for starters MGS2/3 don't have the skateboarding and ape escape minigames.
The stretched interface looks really bad on emulation though.

>>383797703
Well for FFX they remodeled the characters to look a bit more generic anime.

You can mostly mod it out on PC though.

>>383797792
>The stretched interface
You could just run the game at the correct aspect ratio like an intelligent person

>>383797723
>spend an ungodly amount of time to set up emulation
You can get games running in 5 minutes tops.

>>383797959
And the correct resolution while you're at it.

>>383797784
>The GPU also followed an unconventional design, while the other consoles and PCs were developing long pipelines with many hardware features, the PS2's GS had a very short pipeline with few features.
Modern GPUs don't use long fixed function pipelines.

>>383798065
There's a difference between geting a game running and ironing out all its kinks.

>>383798127
>ironing out all its kinks.
That's not up to you, but the emulator devs. Just press F9 if something look weird, done.

>Can emulate Zelda Windwaker on toaster
>Can't play fucking Okami or Yakuza

What the hell

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>>383786496
Wow, listening to the people in this thread one might think PCSX2 is pure garbage.
It isn't perfect, but the vast majority of games are playable start to finish with minor issues or none at all.

>>383798213
I just can't play with that mindset. I have to set everything up to run as smoothly as possible, or I won't be able to enjoy the game.

>>383792646
>>383792828
>>383792740
>>383792980
Some games have post processing effects that make them look blurry no matter what resolution you use.

You can try using skipdraw to get rid of it, but most of the time you're just fucked.

>>383798123
I think the biggest issue is that the one guy that did most of the work on the graphics side of PCSX2 up sticks a while ago and nobody really knows how to update his shit properly.

>>383798376
I get it. That's actually one of the things PCSX2 has over dolphin for me, you can change the graphics settings on the fly and try different stuff without stopping the game.

>>383787498
>By that point PCSX2 might actually be good.
The damn thing is a decade old, it will never be good.

>>383798123
We're not talking about modern GPUs, we're talking about the contemporary alternatives present at the time. It wasn't until the 360 that consoles started adopting a unified shader model.

>>383798735
It's not, it's still under active development. Also Play is coming along nicely, too bad it's made by only one guy.

>brainlet consolefags and numales on /v/ee still havent figured out how to emulate

>>383786496
How did you get transparency on the Windows 10 title bars?

>>383797703
>That's literally a good argument though
You didn't try to argue. You're still not trying.
>REEEEEEEEE THEY'RE BETTER

>>383797897
>You can mostly mod it out on PC though.
Oh anon.

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>>383795174

fuck you

>>383797703
>Why is emulation better than the HD re releases? Be specific. I want one flaw for each HD re release that isn't present in emulation
They're either 30fps, 720p, missing content, buggy, or simple lacking mods. Or all of the above.

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Anyone notice a pattern here?

>Gamecube fails
>Wii is a repackaged Gamecube and is a success
>Wii U fails
>Switch is a repackaged Wii U and is a success.

>>383795124
How did you get Ace Combat 4 aircraft skins to work in hardware mode? Mine are all black and the sun looks awful

>>383799316
>Gamecube fails
It was actually surprisingly profitable for them, and did much better than the N64.

>>383792213
Largely the same reason it took developers forever to properly utilize the hardware properly: needless complexity.

>>383793969
What the fuck is going on with his ass?

>>383799316
>gamecube fails
Did it? It had strong sales.
>wii is a repackaged gamecube
What's that even supposed to mean? Are you talking about the rereleases of gamecube titles on wii?

>>383799461
>needless
It did the job for Sony. PS2 got tons of exclusives.

>>383799359
I haven't had any issues with the sun, but yeah there's no way to fix the black planes.
I always play in HUD mode though so that didn't bother me.

>>383798312
I was just about to try yakuza. Am i fucked? i3 530 750ti

>its another low spec shitter bitching emulation doesnt work episode

>>383786965
I didn't even see the flashbacks when I played. It was just scan lines and noise. Otherwise it worked fine

>>383799702
Should be ok. I managed to do Yakuza 1 and 2 on my old laptop with underclocked i3

The honest real question is why can't Sony just release their emulator for $15 bucks on PS4 or free like xbox instead of people the cocksmokers they are with now and HD remakes. Fucking disgusting, they are the most anti consumer console developer out of the 3. At least with Nintendo always double charging you'll get that option, you don't even have the option to pay again with Sony.

How the fuck Microsoft leads the pack I'll never know but their support is god tier now for 360.

>>383797784
>The PS2 as a whole was designed to just fuck developers raw, turning their code inside out and making it impossible to port to other platforms.

Smart

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>>383799779
I run Arkham Knight or Nu-Doom at 120 Fps, that still didn't help for this

>>383799992
It's always the last man in the race taking the desperate measures to win the customer's back. When Microsoft think they can get away with it they charge you for online. When Sony think they can do it, they do it. When Microsoft think they can force always-online, they try it.

>>383796528
It just depends on the game sometimes, but intel processors should be far better at it as a general rule.

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ill write my own ps2 emulator, its easy

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>going through all this trouble just to play some digital toy for children

Geez, get a life, sweeties.

Just play something on your mobile as everyone else does.

>>383797216
Protip, any game worth owning is going up in price by the month. Plus region locked games.

>>383800210
>open PS2 DVD
>copy files
>rename PS executables to .exe
EZ PZ

>>383800328
>trumplings always whining about numales
>they're the girliest, screechiest fat mangirls about
It really gets your synapses explodin.

I just bought a cheap PS2 and buy the games I want to play off eBay.
Everything is dirt cheap these days.

>>383791416
>Silent Hill 2
The lighting and voice acting got completely fucked in the HD port

>>383786496
I never thought I'd say this, but this game should've just been a visual novel. All the actual gameplay parts of it are horrible. Also I played the game about five months ago and didn't have any of those problems at all. >>383786965

>>383794387
absolutely retarded

>>383799702
yakuza 1 and 2 have a couple graphical bugs but can reach a playable state fairly easily
I played through the entirety of 1 and 2 on emulator and it worked just fine

>>383800536
>they're the girliest, screechiest fat mangirls about
Come up with better insults mang

>>383801313
>fat PS2
>Burned DVDs instead of HDD

>>383797583
>Hacking one seems more difficult than emulation
what

>>383800705
You can play SH2 on pc natively.

>>383801415
>HDD through USB 1.0
Naw.

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>>383794345
>Lacks uncapped turbo

>>383801532
>>HDD through USB 1.0
are you retarded? put a ide hard drive into the back

>>383801598
Then you'll need to hunt for the hdd adapter

>>383791564
The SNES and Genesis both take that title tbqh

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Emulating DDS2 right now, there is some shadow problems but not that noticeable and the music/sound works great.
There is a easy way to mod a PS2 slim? I tried playing DDS/DDS2 on my slim with burned dvds but the sound was kinda fucked in the cutscenes.

>>383801405
It's just the truth, lass.

>>383798359

The major thing alot of these dipshits also forget is to use the latest dev builds. Most of the people complaining in here are still using the latest "Stable" release which is like 2 or 3 years old.

>>383792980
Damn, that dude has abs over his abs over his abs.

>>383799012
It is arguing though
>they're not better
>yes they are. They are not worse in any way and better in ways x and y
>REEEE you're not arguing!

>>383799316
>repackaged
Yeah, ok.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_gaming_platforms

>>383799296
Every single one of those is either a non argument or vague as fuck
>30fps
Every hd port runs at the same or higher frame rate than emulation.
>720p
You can play the games at 4k 30fps in pcsx2 or 720p 60fps in an HD remake, or in the case of ffx on pc you can play at 4k60fps
>buggy
Every game you listed faces exceptional bugs in emulation

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>>383790502
>most PS2 games were 60 FPS.

>>383802620
>Every hd port runs at the same or higher frame rate than emulation.

>>383793396

Bullied ~Revenge Hypnosis~ #2

>>383801667
>hunt
can't you get one from amazon for 5$? i'm lucky i had it from years and years ago anyway

>>383793661
>The HD re releases of all of those games are better, objectively

He mentioned MGS2/3 so you're objectively wrong, apart from weird graphical changes, they have less content due to licences expiring.

>>383789901
>he doesn't have a CRT for emulation and glorious scanlines

>>383802928
Last time I checked they were rare and expensive, but it was a long time ago.

>"needing" a PS2 emulator

A used slim should run you no more than USD $30. And they support component output. (Not sure if there's a PAL equivalent to that)

>>383803027
https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000051QDD/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1499961654&sr=8-1&keywords=ps2+network+adapter

nah, you can get used ones for relatively cheap

>>383803071
>load times
>480i resolution
>framerate

thats enough reason to need an emulater

>>383803071

$30-50 for used SLIM
$20-25 for controller
$5-10 for Memory Card
$20-40 for CRT
$15-30 for Writable DVDs
$30-50 for HDD
$15-20 for IDE Adapter

Free McBoot doesn't even play most burned/ISO images that well compared to normal emulation.
Plus, lower resolution, longer load times, and more corruption from discs/old memory cards.

I'd rather download an emulator, download a few ISO's, and spend $0 in doing so.

>>383802273
>That's empirically incorrect. They're either 30fps, 720p, missing content, buggy, or simple lacking mods. Or all of the above.
>nothing posted to refute this
n i g g e r

>Every hd port runs at the same or higher frame rate than emulation.
False.
>You can play the games at 4k 30fps in pcsx2 or 720p 60fps in an HD remake, or in the case of ffx on pc you can play at 4k60fps
Every remaster is 720p unlike emulation.
>Every game you listed faces exceptional bugs in emulation
False once again. The remasters are the buggy ones.

>>383803390
>Free McBoot doesn't even play most burned/ISO images that well compared to normal emulation.
lmao, this is what emufags actually believe

>>383803171
yeah, like every other console but the PS2 emulation is kinda shit and a PS2+CRT is more reliable.

>>383803390
>$20-40 for CRT
>$30-50 for HDD
>not dumpster diving for them
People literally leave those old TVs on the curb for trash collectors. HDDs you can just grab off a junked PC.

>>383790063
It still has .hack, DDR, and a couple of SMT spin-offs.

>>383795124
>Su-47
Good taste in planes, anon.

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>>383803676
>gotta dig through dumpsters just just to play vidya
>gotta sort through discarded trash and used condoms just play vidya
>gotta "find" tv's off the streets
The true console peasant experience.

>>383803390
are you genuinely retarded?
>$30-50 for used SLIM
>$20-25 for controller
>$5-10 for Memory Card
you mean $40 for all of that, since everyone sells that as a package?
>$20-40 for CRT
why?
>$15-30 for Writable DVDs
is this a joke
>$30-50 for HDD
just throw in a spare one you dumbass, and if not get yourself a 500GB one for lunch change
why did you even list DVDs if you're going to buy an adapter
>$15-20 for IDE Adapter
more like $2-$5

>>383802730
Yes. Do you have something to refute this?

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>>383801528
Yeah.

>>383797784
>This. PS2 emulation is so patchy that you might as well just buy the console and a mod if you're serious.

People get so fucking mad when you do this its hilarious.

I don't know what drives emuautists. PCSX2 is shit. And it probably will be for awhile. I am going to drag and drop my iso to my PS2 hard drive and play that way.

>yeah the shadows are fucked up the inventory screen is missing and it constantly sounds like its farting but its in 1080p enjoy doing that on your 15 year old hardware you fucking cuck

>>383803404
Stop saying that same group of complains and applying them en masse to a group of games. Refer back to
>>383797703
Be specific. List one for each game.

>>383803390
You are certifiably retarded.

You can't use internal hard drives on the slim, so why would you need an IDE adapter? If you are loading from a hard drive on the slim it is going to be external and also shitty because of USB 1 ports. Don't do that.

I find it hard to believe you don't have a PS2 and all the accessories already, I have 5 and I've only bought 1. You trip over these fuckers if you spend any time in the classic gaming scene.

You don't need a CRT, the PS2 supports composite, component, and with a $20 adapter, HDMI output, not soldering needed. Silent Hill 3 looks frighteningly good on my 4k set, I don't know how those madmen did it.

If you are going the hard drive route, you don't need DVDs, why is this listed.

basipally you're a meme

>>383791927
I played through Dawn on sorrow and
portrait of ruin on a tablet and it was pretty good

>>383804837
it really isn't

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>>383791927
>>383805381
It's even better with a physical keyboard.

>>383804837
Its not.

>try to play a game
>shadows missing, textures glitching out, invisible enemies, bad sound, 15fps
>Adjust settings
>still fucked
>try the approved wiki settings
>still fucked
>go to the forums
>DUNNO BRO WORKS ON MY MACHINE DID YOU TRY THE WIKI
>somebody posts a Youtube link with the settings
>its fucked to shit just like yours
>DUDE IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER LMAO STOP BEING AUTISTIC

I'll just double click OSD and drag and drop my ISOs thanks.

>>383787589
What game is this

>>383786965
>it feels like emulator was made for kingdom hearts only or something.
Wasn't that actually the case?

>>383791927
>>383805381
>>383805758
How's DS emulation these days on PC's though? I remember using Desume and no whatever like 9+ years ago on my old toaster and both were pretty shit.

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>>383805585
>>383805778
t. tech illiterates

>>383806170
are you seriously denying that PCSX2 is a piece of shit, barely put together that has difficulties emulating a ton of games properly?

how do you even become a shill for a free product?

>>383806139
Desmume x432r works great and allows you to render games in high resolution. But there are some new emulators around too, like melonDS, that support local multiplayer. Still pretty unfinished, though.

>>383797583
Buy a FreeMCboot memory card then.

>>383806139
See >>383806690
If you have anything considered even mid-range within the last 5 years you should have no problem with DS emulation on PC.

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>>383806468
Yes I am. The most demanding or difficult to emulate games are now working just fine on PCSX2, I dare you to find any games that still has huge issues. And if there is one, software mode still exist, which will make any games looks exactly like the PS2 anyway. I had a CRT hooked up to my PC back then for such rare cases, but I don't need it anymore.

Sure you can just buy shit to make your PS2 work with any games, but it's still SD shit, it's still space and a shitton of cable taken up for nothing, and you have to buy new hardware depending on how you want to hack your PS2.

When you can just play PS2 games in HD, and a ton of other consoles, on your single PC.

>>383807394
>AC
10/10 taste

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>>383807394
>I dare you to find any games that still has huge issues.
Not him, but the game based on 24 series.
It runs in single digit fps in both SW and HW. Only game I couldn't run properly and had to set up my old PS2 for it. Still, no real reason to play this junk, really.

>>383786496
We need a better version than PCSX2 honestly most of the games look worse on my computer than I remember them being, and the thing is I know PS2 was a long while back but do not tell me that it can not look as good as games today. I mean hell even Dolphin emulator managed to get Zelda Wind Waker to look better than the remake itself on PC.

>>383798359
I play the latest version but you can not tell me they can not do better than what they are doing now. Playing is important but also making sure it is running it correctly even to where graphics can look better.

>>383800180
That's why I game on Steam no needless yearly payment for online.