Final Fantasy XII: Zodiac Age

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Well I had decided that:

Vaan: monk/shikari
Penelo: white mage/black mage
Balthier: machinist/
Fran: archer/red Mage
Basch: ulhan/breaker
Ashe: knight/time Mage

With Ashe/Basch/Balthier planning to be the main party. Still haven't gotten Ashe.
When do we gain access to secondary classes?

Is it better to keep Ashe a knight due to her weapon choices in 12 or a breaker with bombs ala Revenant Wings?

>>383782363
>Vaan: monk/shikari

I've just started the game and I'm thinking this as well, if not foebreaker. I reckon it's his lack of shirt that caters more to the martial artist jobs. I know Ashe will be a paladin, every one else is up in the air.

>>383783183
Ashe is a bomb throwing time mage in the sequel.

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>>383782003
You kids and your "job systems"

Back in my day we got 1 full table and dealt with it.

I cant remember if this game is like 10 where you can switch characters in and out during fights or if its one of those pick a party of 3/4 and fuck the others ones?

Wanted to do Ashe as a Black Mage/Monk and Panelo as White Mage/Shikari but not even sure if il use both

>>383783558

Yeah but it trivialized the game because every character had heals, spells, buffs, and etc, and you were never really challenged or pressured if a main healer died.

>>383784068

You can swap characters in and out constantly.

In XII on PS2 though, I always grinded 3/4 characters up pretty damn high and used that as my core, and then eventually caught the rest up after finding ribbons for them and doubling their XP gains, or finding that item that gives them XP while not in party, i think. Might be wrong on that one.

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Did they remove Effect Capacity?
I used a Black Mage in IZJS but all their powerful spells did was cockblock my White Mage from casting any heals. And that's a bit of an embuggerance when the bosses are casting their own high-priority spells and their damage besides is no joke.

>>383784532
They did remove it.

>>383784321

Great, then I am thinking...

Vaan - hunter/breaker
Fran - archer/red mage
Basch - Knight/Bushi
Panelo - white mage/shikari
Ashe - black mage/monk
balthier - knight/time mage


rate hate etc....

Kinda shit that the game completely limits characters now

Also it's stupid that balthier is made for bows and Fran for guns why not give them they weapons to start with so stupid

>>383782003
Ashe: White Mage/Time Mage
Balthier: Machinist/Uhlan(does some sick damage)
Fran: Archer/Red Mage
Penelo: White Mage/Black Mage
Vaan: Knight/haven't chosen yet
Basch: Bushi/haven't chosen yet but thinking of Breaker, Basch is the main melee dps and tank in my party.

>>383784532
They did. Scathe all you want nigga

on the flipside you can't cheese bosses by exploiting the effect capacity anymore either.

>>383784632
Thank you.
I might have to pick this up now.

Vaan: Monk
Penelo: Black Mage
Ashe: Bushi
Basch: Knight
Balthier: Shikari
Fran: Foebreaker

not sure what to do for the second jobs, halp

Was thinking about getting this, is it worth it? Or is it a shitty hd update?

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>>383785719
And thank you too sir.

>>383785908
It's an amazing remaster

>>383786067
>Ashe looks cute in this art
>ugly in-game

why

How come everyone is going with Ashe as WHM rather than BLM?

>>383785908
It's actually a pretty bad remaster. Aside from the sound mix.

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>>383784236

>Yeah but it trivialized the game because every character had heals, spells, buffs, and etc, and you were never really challenged or pressured if a main healer died.

That would only apply to the weak enemies throughout the game anon. Espers, Bosses and Marks would still challenge the player's team despite having full access to every skill on the License Board. There wasn't anything preventing the player for setting the "class" for each character. That's up to individual preference.

Is it even worth going unarmed? I got the brawler skill in monk and i'm still doing way less damage than I do with the second staff you can get.

>>383786591

How is it bad...

So far:

Vaan: Uhlan
Ashe: Knight
Balthier: White Mage
Fran: Black Mage
Penelo: Red Mage
Bash: Breaker

Just going with the flow tbqh

>>383786603

It adds more a challenge and gives your characters more individual importance in battle.

post more viera art cunts

>>383786808
its a good boost early game but it falls off quickly

What are those isolated blocks in the license board? Do they unlock depending on your esper?

is the RNG still a nightmare or did they fix it?

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Vaan -Shikari/Foebreaker
Ashe- Monk/Black Mage
Fran - Machinist/White Mage
Balthier - Bushi/Knight
Basch - Uhlan/Time Battlemage
Penelo - Archer/Red Battlemage

This is the most optimal job combination I could think of that has good pairing, let's me use all 12 jobs and gives 3 Swiftness to all characters.

>>383782363
You gain access to secondary classes after you smack belias AKA

>>383787095
You need to unlock an esper that bridges the gap. As only one person can get the esper, you'll have to pick and choose. The good news is not every esper bridges to anything, but it might lead to two interesting things on two different characters and you have to choose who you want to have it and which has to not get it.
So basically it's impossible to 100% the license board for everyone.

>>383786067
I like how Fran is in the ideal mating position in this art

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>>383787018

>It adds more a challenge and gives your characters more individual importance in battle.

Not really, since each class is determined by different players' standards, who have various ideas on what class-system works best for each of the 6 characters (which when it's analyzed/categorized holistically can be seen as subjective preference or taste; rather than an essential game-mechanic). However, what I was trying to say in my previous comment was that in the original FFXII, you can impose the challenge on yourself (without having to wait for remastered edition to be released) through how the player ultilizes their License Points for each character to act in a certain role. It's down to individual choice.

>>383785908
Do you own the IZJS from the PS2 days? If so, wait for Zodiac age to drop in price. It doesn't offer anything you couldn't get from an Emulator aside from a HD lift and a 2nd class.

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>>383786215
>ugly in-game
I will fight you.

Does Elder Wyrm still btfo you with Sporefall? I am super disappointed that the save crystal mimic in Nabreus Deadlands was nerfed, it doesn't spam restore on itself anymore.

>>383783558
How did you get an exact copy of my party's FF12 build? I never posted it online?

>>383785084

They look so cool using their main weapons that the animation take 0,2 seconds longer. That's it.

I want to make the usual:
damage dealer with masamune
support magic to keep berserk and some buffs up
healer, but doing some damage in the meantime

Is it possible to have all of the Ga support spells in one character? Only machinist has hastega?

>>383788557
>aside from a HD lift
That's what emulators are good for and you can save edit for all the classes you want.

Balthier :: White mage/machinist
Vaan :: Shikari/foebreaker
Ashe :: Knight/Monk
Fran :: Red mage/archer
Penelo :: Uhlan/time mage
Basch :: Bushido/Black mage

for those who want to know what your job set ups will look like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vny-mXmJEts

>>383786393
White Mages don't have a lot of offensive magic requiring you to have a passable strength stat to deal damage. Also official IZJS art.

>>383787238
It's a good combo but far from optimal. Especially on the assignments.

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>>383782003

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>>383793428

>>383782003
>playing the job system version
Ashe magic knight
Vaan use crossbow because you're shit
Balthier Rods or guns
Fran Bow and magic
Penelo Mage
Basch Heavy weapons

Still not seeing Ashe ass comparisons

>>383793703
>cropping already wide screen FMVs
what the fuck why

>>383784236
> you were never really challenged or pressured if a main healer died.
1, pheonix down exists
2, yiazmat nulls your entire argument of trivilization. infact even attempting to get 100% items does because RNG.

>>383793428
>>383793703

Bad remasters aside, this game had some UGLY faces.

>>383793428
>>383793703
I'm not baiting i haven't played ff12 in like 6 years, which of the comparisons is the new one and which is the old one?

>>383794763
The worse one is the remaster.

>>383794820
Guessing right is the remaster cos of the black lines
Dunno, doesn't look that bad, considering the original had really nice graphics for it's time and they even hold up good nowadays, don't think they could've done much more without actually remaking the game

>>383782363
I'm also going with this.

No way I'm going to have Balthier be a faggy white mage.

I honestly have absolutely no idea of what I'm doing in XII, but I'm also only a couple of hours in. I only just got Balthier and Fran. Is it important to make sure party members are set to jobs that emphasize their best stats i.e Balthier as a physical attacker, or does it not matter a whole lot even if you're aiming to do end-game shit?

>>383785719
Wait.
What's effect capacity?
Is it that when I cast big spells they stay in que waiting for the previous spell to finish?

>>383795103
It doesn't really matter. There is a difference between characters stat wise, but is minimal, for example vaan basically excels in every job while fran is the total opposite, but I bet you don't want to compromise stare to that Viera's ass in favor of optimal party setups.

In conclusion, pick whatever you feel like and you will be fine, the game's more about leveling and getting the right gear and there's like tons of strategies for every post-game encounter anyway.

>>383795304
Effect Capacity is a thing that prevents so many spells from going off.

The effect capacity limit was 8. Most spells were capacity 1/2 which had no real problems but if you wanted to cast big spells like Holy or Scathe, they had a capacity of 8 meaning you literally will be stuck waiting while casting if any other spell was being cast.

This was removed in the PS4 version.

>>383795338
Well, that's good. I just wanna make sure I'm not making any gamebreaking decisions, or decisions that would make end-game content extremely difficult to do properly.

Does it make any difference which job you pick first?

Like white mage/black mage, black mage/ white mage?

>>383795103
when you get Larsa don't go do the main quest grind instead, its way easier since you have a temp 4th character.

level up, do the hunts, sell loot, but look up what grimoires are and keep some for that...

>>383795509
HOLYFUCKINGSHIT
THE BEST FUCKING UPGRADE

Let us talk about the Final Fantasy timeline. Does it exist? Are there parallel universes? Was is Ivalice trapped inside of a story book in Tactics Advance?

>>383782003

Not trying to cause any console wars shitposting, but is there any word on a PC release for this yet? Given Square's track record lately, I assume that it'll make it over eventually but I'm curious.

I enjoyed it a lot when it first hit the PS2, and it would give me a good excuse to revisit it.

can I just confirm something lads, is the remake the job system version? is there an option for the other one, the one I have on ps2?

>>383795689
kind of,
the void says yes,
the book is the "real world"s portal to ivalice.

>>383795548
In the original zodiac edition not having a white mage was kinda of fucked up since you can only rely so much on Knight's and red mage's heals (or items), but in this version you can dual job so you can have virtually every job spread around the 6 members.

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>>383795689
Ivalice has a timeline, which is:

FF12 -> Revenant Wings -> FFTA2 ----------------------------------> FFT. FFT takes place in the far future after a calamity, most races die and civilization regresses to a medieval one

FFTA takes place canonically before FFTA2 (as Mewt is Luso's teacher), but the Ivalice in FFTA is a fabrication twisted on the real world created by the Grimoire while the Ivalice in FFTA2 is the real ivalice that Luso is transported to.

>>383795825
>is the remake the job system version
Yes.

>is there an option for the other one, the one I have on ps2?
No.

>>383793428
>>383793703
Virtuos does it again.

>>383795905
Question: How is Cloud in Final Fantasy Tactics?

Hardmode: do not say "fan service"

>>383795689

All Final Fantasy worlds are parallel universes that are connected through the void.

I never understood though if the Ivalice from FFTA2 was a copy of FFXII's Ivalice like FFTA or if it was indeed FFXII's Ivalice.

You can say because Al Cid, Vaan and Penelo are there then it has to be the same Ivalice from FFXII, but Montblanc is also in both FFTA and FFXII's Ivalice.

So I say, FFTA2's Ivalice is the imaginary Ivalice like FFTA's and because I want FFTA2 to go to hell because of how shitty it is.

>>383795965
thanke. remaster dropped then I guess, I can deal with that, ps2 version is good enough.

Is Black Mage/Red Mage even a viable combination? If not, what do I combine Black Mage with on Penelo?

>>383795862
Can I get away with taking on more of a supportive buffer/healer type role or would I be better off leaving that to a party member while I take on an offensive role? I was thinking of either going Black or Red Mage with something else to compliment it.

>>383796118
I played IZJS on PS2 years ago and I loved it. If you don't want to buy the remaster, then at least try IZJS via emulator or something. I love it better than the original, but then again I love job systems in my jrpgs.

Is there anyway to make a character be able to equip any weapon ?

For example if I make Fran a black mage/samurai is there any way for later in the game to make her equip bows ? Some equipment or License ?

>>383796240
Support jobs can at least get more use with having a secondary job. White and Time mage left a lot to be desired combat wise besides their utility, so you can compliment them with an offensive secondary job. or pick that job first and use White/Time Mage as a secondary.

>>383796118
>ps2 version is good enough.
This. IZJS and Zodiac age are just fluff. The core game is the same and it's still merely average.

>>383796406
>Is there anyway to make a character be able to equip any weapon ?
Only way is to emulate it.

>>383796414
Okay, cool. I'm only a couple of hours in so I might restart and plan out my jobs a bit better.

>>383796320
I literally don't want restrictions, do you realise how annoying it is to make a multiclass mage with restrictions?

the only annoying thing about the original is you can fuck up and miss the zodiac spear, but once you know its basically impossible to fuck up.

>>383796224
I would argue Black/White Mage is viable

BLM gives access to Staff of the Magi which buffs the damage Holy can do.

>>383796406
No, but some jobs have access to a few things that they normally shouldn't by unlocking espers that bridge to some floating licenses. Black Mage for example can use some bombs by unlocking Mateus, Adrammalech and Hashmal.

Could the costumes for your characters change along with the class? I would understand that it wouldn't due to ps2 hardware restrictions. Wanted to see Fran as a lewd black mage.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9LgkPevb9s

>make the fucking sound muffled and quiet
>completely fucking isolate the vocals and make them nearly a full second shorter with every fucking "ah"
>put the BEST PART OF THE SONG that was percussion and brass into a shittily applied violin/cello
>ruined the start of the fucking song, which is the most iconic part of the fucking song

How did they get so many other tracks right and then fucked this one up so bad?

I just started and so far I've got
Vaan: Bushi
Penelo: White Mage
Will I fuck myself over if I give a character the wrong job? Are there certain ones that are better suited to a certain character?

>>383796840

Yeah, while I love the re-orchestrated OST, that one track sounds worse. I just switch to the OST version of when it plays.

>>383796874
everyone can technically use everything and the stat discrepancy is minor at best.

But you're stuck with what you got so pick carefully regardless

Do I still have to not open certain chests to get the Zodiac spear?

>>383797017
No.

>>383796943
At this rate I'm losing hope that my favorite songs are going to be remastered well.

Fucking hell.

>>383783558
>he didint played the ultimate version that launched after the initial relase
Are you 12?

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>>383797017
>Make sure not to open a single one of those fucking chests all game
>Zodiac spear still isn't fucking there

>>383784236
>Yeah but it trivialized the game
t. hasn't played IZJS. Zodiac Age is even easier.

>>383797017
No, but the Zodiac Spear itself is more a pain in the ass to get because you have to do hunts, rather than "easy but easy to fuck up"

If you don't even have an Uhlan it's an afterthought anyways.

>>383788501
This pretty much, i dont remember unlocking all the license points for every character, and at the end its an RPG so you have to, you know, role play. the jobs are still pretty good desu

>>383797243
Is the Zodiac Spear restricted to certain jobs or can anyone use it?

>>383794763

Neither is the original. Left side is emulated. Original had a ridiculous amount of jaggies due to the resolution.

>>383788557
Last time i played that with a translation patch it fucked up quickenings, is it fixed?

>>383796559
Most of the party setups posted in this thread are already good enough examples if you want to took them.

>>383791985
>>383787238
>>383785676
>>383782363

>>383797356
Uhlan is the only one that gets its license.

i only came here to make fun of the main characters dirt abs. i dont even remember his name.

since I never played the job system version someone explain a hypothetical to me pls...

how hard/ is even possible? to make penelo black &white mage with daggers and light armor (not mage armor) or is even that too complex?

cause, thats basically the early build on my playthroughs.

I have a few other weird quirks like only royals get arcane.

>>383797017
>>383797073
>>383797243

To be detailed, you get it on a chest on Henne Mines with 1% chance of spawning but 100% chance of containing the spear. To unlock this area of Henne Mines, you need to have 10 espers and talk to a Garif, and he will give you the key. Keep in mind the game has a 4x speed button, and chests respawn with only 1 screen away instead of 3 like in vanilla.
You can also get one from the trophy hunts. After Archades, you can go back to Phon Coast to talk to some bangaas, and 30 trophy rare monsters will spawn all over the world. After you kill them, you'll get a trophy. There's 3 bangaas you can give the trophies there, Power, Defense and Technique (if I'm not mistaken). If you give 10 for each bangaa, or more trophies to Power, you'll get a Zodiac Spear. Be aware when killing the trophy monsters, since they only spawn once, and you can steal Tournesol materials from them.

>>383797454
Neato, thanks.

Alright. I have all six people, since I just got to the desert.
Who should my main party be? Here are my people:
Vaan: Bushi
Penelo: Black Mage
Basch: Knight
Balthier: Machinist
Fran: Uhlan
Ashe: Red Mage
Currently using Vaan Basch Ashe.

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>>383797409
And if anyone's going to complain and say "emulated original looks better than the remaster what a fucking joke," it also feels terrible to play due to a couple tenths of a second input lag, especially in menus. PCSX2 just isn't a very good emulator, and no amount of res upscaling can change that fact.

>>383797535
Fixed in Zodiac Age.

I'm emulating the PS2 version so no second job for me.
I have a question, I just got the full party together, will they separate again? Do you recommend I just stick to the same three characters all game? Dunno why I didn't play this earlier, it's so good.

>>383797584
Yeah you basically have an option between the Zodiac Spear, Zodiac Escutcheon, and Ribbon. You basically get one of these (by turning in 16 trophies to one) while you get the Staff of the Magi, Ensanguined Shield and Sage's Ring from the other two (meaning if you get the Spear, you get the ensanguined shield and sage's ring from the other two)

>>383797862

I think certain portions of the game that aren't very long have them split a bit for dungeons. You get guest characters a lot like Larse who I felt like was with you a very long time.

>>383789045
Does it still have 50k health compared to the other 2 having 7-8k? That was the most intense fight for me for a while just because I REALLY needed to save when I found it, not expecting a full on boss battle style fight.

>>383797980
Alright, I'll just keep switching them around to keep them around the same level until the endgame, then. Leveling feels really slow and everyone gets LP, so it's not too big a deal.

>>383793428
>>383793703
Is the left side the upscaled PC graphics?

Because left side is looking a lot better than right side. Whats with remakes and putting a shitter blur filter and increasing saturation x2

>>383782003
>11 year old game
>still can't run at 60fps on a console two and a half generations newer

What the fuck is this kikery?

>>383797721
Whoever you want, really. The game isn't THAT hard.

>>383797862
>stick same three?
hotswap when you need mages/ranged. like FFX.

>>383795572
Not really, I haven't played this version yet, but from what I heard you get the second job choice pretty early in the story.

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>>383797129
>guy played the ten year old original version
>"are you twelve?"

>>383798149
It's emulated with extremely high resolution. It won't look that good on a PS2.

>>383784321
>You can swap characters in and out constantly
You can, when they're not being targeted by an enemy. Though you can sometimes remove enemy targeting by unequipping the character in question, and the red is removed from their names.

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>>383797129
I feel like you can only be this stupid on accident.

>>383795817
Just about every other FF game got ported to PC, so it's only a matter of time before this one crosses over as well. They probably just want to wait in order to give the PS4 the advantage, since Squeenix is still primarily a Sony developer in many ways.

>>383783558
>dealt with it
Everyone just became good at anything in the original, there were no restrictions whatsoever. At least in IZJS you may have to "deal with" not picking the optimal classes because you didn't read guides beforehand.

>>383797904
getting endgame items is the most bullshit part about this game

I only have 1x lordly robe/circlet and have to keep equip changing it every time I switch characters, and unless you want to commit to farming 100+hours into the game everyone else has to settle with shitty 2nd rate gear

>>383798101

That part made me really think about my job choices. Fuck not having everyone casting Esuna.

>>383789045
He;s optional anyways, and that shouldn't be affecting you if you have the right equipment and position yourself properly.

>>383789045
>>383798496
Wait a fucking sec. That's optional? I remember fighting back on the PS2 original and I never really had any problem with it, even though now I hear that it's apparently a hard fight. I had no idea this was optional.

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>Play this long ago
Oh cool I can make1 any class if I get enough points as reward
>ReMaster
LOL bruh what do you mean u want more than being stuck to a job system? Just replay the game if you want xD

How the fuck do people praise a game that was nerfed as a superior version of the game? Nigga if the original was too ez for you why didn't you just handicap your bitch ass to not use features to break the game. And are happy when devs decide to take away your rights and bend you over with a job system?

So i'm really, really on the edge about getting this game. Convince me to but the game.

I was only 13 when the original came out and thought the combat looked boring as fuck, but now the gambit system seems pretty satisfying. I love the style and characters, and especially adding in the job system too. But i still fear the game will bore me a bit. How much agency is there to the combat?

So the only bad things about the remaster are
>stupid black box in cutscenes
>some hair textures look shit
>some areas are way too dark
Unless there's something I've missed this seems pretty solid, especially compared to the garbage X/X-2 remaster.

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>>383796070
He came to that universe through that machine, were you not paying attention? It's implied he was "plucked" from the Lifestream when he falls in it

>>383785084
made for each other :3

What would be the more lore focused combinations?

Fraane Archer, Balthier machinist, etc.?

>>383797545
Are you sure your didn't play the original XII and not zodiac?

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>>383798390

Reminder that the secret part of Bhujerba is filled with end game weapons and magic like Scathe. you can get there pretty early. You just need to do the Antlion hunt, and search around on Phon Coast to find another key.
http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/PS2/#F

>>383798770

If it makes it better, I hated this game back when I was 16.
Now I love it, I think it's a game that is not targeted at teenagers. I learned to enjoy the slow pace of the game, the detail of it all, as well as the politics, something that I could not when I was a teen.

I advise you to emulate it, try it for a few hours then decide if it's worth to buy or not.

>>383798758
>pleb who doesn't like job systems
Get the fuck out of here

I've been playing the original PS2 version and I only have 4 Espers left and the hunts/rare game in the 2nd halves of Great Crystal and Pharos left, but my autism is waning. I went to fight Chaos and got wrecked due to his stipulation (I've got the nihiloapoa, I just forgot it was on and megalixered twice like a goon).

Someone convince me to keep on trying to do as much as I can in this game. I'm afraid all the stuff I've got to do now is gonna result in similar deaths with an hour of gametime or more lost each time I wipe. I also missed out on the first 2 pieces of Genji gear from a certain fight so I'm kinda bummed about my save being less than 100%. Why did they put so much content into this game T-T

>>383798839
Balthier is monk because he punched them seeqs in the dungeon
Basch is Archer because he fought with a bow during the invasion
Fran is a Redmage because she knows starter level black and white magic
Ashe is a timemage
Penolo and Vaan are both hunters because they start with a dagger

None of them have a second job

enjoy your canon playthrough

>>383798758
im not getting it either, especially since I basically made 'jobs' for each character, or their own quirks at least.

im also convinced everyone defending it are burgs since job system version wasn't the first release over here.

>captcha: suddenly taking 8 tries
fuck
you
google
I
will
kill
your
buildings

>>383796224
BM/RM is baller as fuck. The ultimate offensive caster. Plus RM gives you access to heavy armor so you can be a tank caster if you want and it gives you Ardor. So you can combine Ardor with Flame Staff and Oil and have the most damaging spell in the game.

>>383798638
Yeah, you can just go through the Feywood to get to the Paramina Rift and then on to Mt. Bur-Omisace, which is where you're supposed to be going at that point in time.

I know the diamond armlet is worth getting for the main character you want to control for those better loot drops but isn't there an area or 2 that flips this and you shouldn't equip the armlet?

Did anyone reached the mages potential now that there's no more casting limit?

Can this game even be played without a guide? I'm thinking about emulating IZJS version but I feel like I would miss a shitload of content going in blind. And I hope all jobs are viable, I don't want to play a game where I have to minmax to get through it.

>soundtrack options
>original
>reorchestrated
>OST

what the fuck is the difference between original and OST ffs

also, SUPER disappointed to see that the in game bestiary is now in game assets rather than the hand drawn artwork for the monsters. That art was fucking great and afaik it's completely removed from the game.

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>>383799190
Fuck off underage I don't have time wasting habuts like you do to replay a fucking RPG over and over, I even beat Bloodborne about 3 times on the weekend and still have time for the rest of the day

>>383799715
No pirates den either

all those sprites gone forever

>>383799609

I got to the end of vanilla doing some sort of role play, with Ashe using greatswords and Masamune, Vaan using Deathbringer (the best 1h sword you can buy) and Penelo with the best bow you can buy.

>>383799715

The bestiary in FFXII never was hand-drawn, dude.

>>383799897
>no pirates den
what the actual fuck? why is this allowed?

if I hadn't dropped remake before I have now. jesus fuck...

>>383798758
All 6 of my characters were exactly the fucking same by the end of 12.
You are retarded.

Ive never played this game
should I wait for the eventual PC release of the remake or emulate it?

>>383799985
Good, then go somewhere else.

>>383799897
fuck i didn't even realize that! pirates den was fucking great! man, fuck modern trophies. Who gives a flying fuck about an imaginary number and some stupid *ding* noise

>>383799980
what the fuck ever autist, the art was great and now its gone, thats the issue

>>383799949
I don't know, I think hunts are fucked up without a guide too because you don't know if you're strong enough to fight them. And then I'm sure there's other FF shit like if you don't pick a certain option in a dialogue, you're fucked. I just think I'd miss out on a whole lot.

>>383800037
There are no plans to port it to PC, emulate the IZJS version.

Post upskirts please.

>>383800078

I'll forgive you, since you're retarded, but there was no need for name calling, anon.

Too bad about the art.

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>>383799715
Is it like the bestiary in Vagrant Story now? Could you post a screenshot? And I heard that the Sky Pirate's Den was removed now too?

>>383800171
every other FF remake is on PC, its only a matter of time

>>383783558
How could they fuck up so bad. Jesus. Every single character was almost the same

>>383798189
60fps and it's not needed. 30+ is just fine.

i get fucking dizzy with any 60fps game, kill me

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>all you niggas making Balthier machinest and Fran archer
Balthier has the slowest attack speed with gun and Fran has the slowest attack speed with bow..

>>383800171
>There are no plans to port it to PC, emulate the IZJS version.
lol

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please play monster girl gamu!

>>383800391
its a 3D model constantly in its walk animation. You can rotate but you can't freeze frame it or zoom in/out.

>>383798189
It can and it does.

In the menu.

>>383800490
Who fucking cares, the difference is negligible even at the highest speed. If you need to min-max like that to beat the game you are a shitter.

Go with what you want.

>>383800490
Dumb Frogposter. Who gives a fuck about a 0.2 second animation difference. The game is easy as shit if you understand all the mechanics anyway. Balthier looks the best with a gun and same for Fran with a bow.

>>383800480
Oh, you mean like uh, Final Fantasy 7?
Instead of choosing the direction on the licence board, you chose which materia to equip.
Or like Digital Devil Saga as well for that matter.
And actually kind of similar to FF10 (in the long run, admittedly). You know all those games are pretty good right?

>>383800424
>>383800424
Suit yourself lads, wait a year. As far as I can see, it's not much different from IZJS and you can have HD textures on the emulator anyway.

>>383782003
Vaan:Shikari/Red Mage
Penelo:White Mage/Monk
Balthier:Machinist/Breaker
Fran:Black Mage/Archer
Ashe:Knight/Time Mage
Basch:Uhlan/Bushi

I wanted to have one of each job.

>>383793428
>>383793703
Did they add a black bar for the subtitles? What the fuck is this shit?

>>383800569
Then yeah, like VS, except for the zooming. I'm fine with this but what I would've wanted them to include from that game was a first person mode where time freezes in real time and you can look at your surroundings while stuff like water and wind and everything keeps moving but enemies stay frozen in place. Or a picture mode where I can move the camera around and take pictures in-game.

>>383800897
They add them regardless of subtitles.

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>>383801038

>>383793703
>>383793428
>An organization like digital foundry has the competence and know-how to identify what methods are used to make games look the way they do
>all they do is sit there and judge others work
>meanwhile we have shitters like virtuous who fuck up every single remaster they've done and somehow they are the ones making the content of the industry and DF are just sitting around conjecturing

I don't get it, why do these people still have jobs? If we have people like DF who are clearly able to identify and describe the methods that virtuous used to create the remaster, then why are remasters continued to be done by completely incompetent people?

I just love the new map, i keep it on most of the time and it doesn't bother me

Knight/Samurai or Shikari/Samurai for Basch? Thinking Genji Gloves Masamune combo. Never played XII endgame content.

>>383801369
>this whole post sucking off DF
>when DF themselves really liked the way the remaster looks

guys do you believe ondore's lies?

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How hard would it be to do a FF12 online like PokeMMO? Ignoring the fact that Square would nuke it like they did with the Chrono Trigger remake.
I always find myself autisting about a FF12 online where you choose a model from every model in the game, and choose the motions and stats from the six characters in the game. Maybe Reddas too if there was a dual wield class. Seeq, Bangaa, Baknamy, Yemsa and Garif would be limited by the weapons they use in the game, since human animations wouldn't fit.
You would pick two jobs like in ZA, towns and orange crystals maps would be the only gathering place where you could make a party of four max. Hunts would be repeatable, and there would be some custom ones harder than normal, and some espers too. Hardcore belias would drop his staff for example.
I would play the shit out of it.

>>383801509
granted, but my point remains

I have no idea what the fuck any of the shit they talk about means, its completely over my head, but clearly they understand it. Virtuous has a literal track record of failure, why do they persist?

>>383800716
This.

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>tfw you will never ever return to Yasumi Matsuno's magical Ivalice in a brand spanking new exciting game

>>383801587
You mean XI?

>>383801596
Or maybe you're just an irredeemable fuckwit who doesn't seem to understand that knowing the basic components of a lighting system isn't the same thing as being able to program one.

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>>383801515

>>383801465
Knight/Bushi is pretty much one of the best combos in the game. You get str and magic for Katana damage and access to genji gloves for comboing.

>>383801703
ouch, my feelings

Did anyone manage to defeat the first Deathwall when they first encountered it? I was only roughly level 16 at Tomb of Raithwall and I could only take down one third of his health.

>>383801672
Buy Stormblood and you just might.

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What do they taste like?

>>383801795
>reflect
>cherry staff
>aero
>????
>win

>>383801672
don't forget that GRIN was making a FFXII sequel for PS3 that square enix canned just to be douches and ultimately forced GRIN to shut down

>>383801795

Berserk everyone, refill at the crystal, go in and do the quickening right away. Repeat until it works.

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Are the summons still as useless as ever? I remember playing it on PS2 when it first came out. The summons are weak as shit and some of them has ridiculous conditions that needs to be met before triggering the final attack and even then the final attack are weak.

>>383801907
That didn't look that good, and was not being developed by the Ivalice team pretty much at all. Who's to say it wouldn't have been a cool game, sure, but it wouldn't have been an Ivalice game. That's like a Kojima-less MGS, or a Legacy of Kain without Hennig and her team.

>>383802004

Yes, but you can change their gambits and control them.
If only the party didn't disappear when using espers, I would use the shit out of them.

Only played the original. Each character can pick 2 jobs?

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>>383800056
>you're not allowed to comment on the remake

>>383802032
shrug, I thought it looked perfectly fine and was super excited to see an Ivalice game in HD. I followed all of the articles about the situation, basically square tasked GRIN with making the game and said they wanted a nordic aesthetic to it. After several months, square looked at it and said its too nordic looking and the japs won't like it, GRIN said but thats what you wanted, square said too bad and canned it.

Square is easily my favorite developer but holy fuck they commit some pretty shitty business practices

>>383801890
Poverty
sweat
Chocolate

>>383801890
Left: Blueberry bie.
Middle: strawberry/cherry pie
Left: Chocolate cream pie.

>>383802308
You're not commenting on anything, you're just going "IT SUCKS AND I DON'T LIKE IT" and hoping people will give you attention. Wish granted, faggot.

is matsuno working on anything anymore? Didn't he leave SE or something?

Is Ivalice effectively finished?

Samurai/Knight - Ashe
Black Mage/Monk - Vaan
White Mage+Machinist - Fran

Hunter/Breaker - Balthier
Black Mage/Red Mage - Penelo
Uhlan/Time Mage - Basch

>>383802608
He's working on XIV right now.

>>383802715
oh, so nothing then, wonderful

>>383782003
I want to have this chocolate bunny for easter

>>383802715
>XIV
Why would he waste time working on complete garbage trash?
Might as well have just left the company.

>>383802323
It wasn't good that they basically set them up to fail, but I'm of the opinion that games like FFTA and A2, RW, Crystal Defenders, etc, those aren't the true Ivalice games.

>Dude what if we made literally half the cast be inconsequential to the story
>Dude what if we made multiple cutscenes where the main character has no idea what's going on and just stands in the background while people who matter speak
>Dude what if we made a character who's literally just a random girl off the street with no important qualities outside of an extremely large ass
>Dude what if we made a character with an interesting and nuanced backstory and then only let the player use him in one dungeon, at the end of which he dies
>Dude what if we made a villain who has zero emotional connection to the heroes and doesn't even meet them until the last ten minutes
>Dude what if we took an established setting with a million interesting species and then only included humans and bunny humans as playable characters
>Dude what if we gave the narrator a comical Apu accent
>Dude what if we made a complicated political plot and then ruined it by turning it into standard ancient god shenanigans halfway through
>Dude what if we made a plot where the heroes have almost no impact on what happens until 95% of the way through the story, and they spend their time tromping from one ancient temple to the next
>Dude what if we took everything 100% seriously and had zero levity outside of Balthier and Cid
>Dude what if we wrote all of the dialogue to sound like a Renaissance Fair
>Dude what if we we had no overworld and all travel was handled by a menu or floating teleport crystals
>Dude what if we made a battle system where you set everything up in advance so that you don't actually play the game
>Dude what if we made a level-up system where all of the characters become literally identical in function
>Dude what if we made summons useless except for opening doors
>Dude what if we put all of the interesting and unique content in sidequests
>Dude what if instead of having fun side games like the motorcycle chase and Triple Triad we had nothing
>Dude what if we had really shitty music

>>383802812
They're doing a 'Return to Ivalice' raid.

>>383802878
Just kill that shitty game already. Fuck Square for wasting resources on it.

>>383802846
FFTA and A2 are great but yeah, non-canonical spinoffs, never played revenant wings but I've always wanted to. Never played crystal defenders because tower defense is boring as fuck

Still, the more ivalice the better imo

>>383802975
>kill the game that saved the company

>>383802857
>t.nomura.

>>383801369
DF just sucks off every remaster because they're paid to. FFX was an improvement in their eyes, they're completely full of shit.

They didn't even mention the cropped FMVs or that massive letterbox in this port and they said the DOF was an improvement.

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>>383802608
He was working on another game besides the Unsung Story one, but he hasn't revealed it yet, and he's also working on an FF XIV 24-man raid called Return to Ivalice, but no one knows anything at all about it yet. And he did leave SE yes, but he works freelance now. He worked on the PSP remake of Tactics Ogre with his team a few years back, as well as a tabletop-like turn-based RPG for 3DS called Crimson Shroud, which was designed by one of the artists who worked on FF XIV, was composed by Hitoshi Sakimoto and was translated by Alex O. Smith and is very similar to Vagrant Story in many respects.

>>383802442
i've commented on a bunch of things. I don't really give a shit about other people on the internet either so the second thing is bull too.

more question, did they add new hunts? or the classic +1 ultimate weapons, or superboss dungeon?

>>383802857
the battle system is shit,watching autoattacks 4x is not funny at all

>>383802857
>I think VII and X are the best FFs and I like retarded anime wacky bullshit

>>383803013

I really liked FFTA's Arabian Ivalice, too bad that FFXII's Ivalice only takes some ques from it. Maybe Rozaria is all arabian, not that it matters much since we're never going to see it.

They should've added a Revenant Wings movie to the HD collection like they did with the 358/2 days and coded for KH.

What was Ramza's endgame?

>>383803660

Bang his sister if she so endeavours

>>383802975
lel what funded ff15, ff7 remake and this remake and salvaged the company after a fiscal year when SE lost 105 million dollars. Yoshida fucking saved the company.

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>>383803660

>>383803930

What a disappointment that this little naive fuck didn't get what he deserved in the end.

I wonder if Matsuno wanted to off him but Square didn't let him becaue it would be too bleak.

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>>383804085
FFT is basically the chaos route of Tactics Ogre. But it would be interesting to have an FFT remake with more story that has choices that affect the story like in TO.

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>>383800731
>uh
>FF10
>pretty good

>>383804307

Indeed. Also SE needs to bring TO, FFT and the Advance games to PC and android/ios urgently

>>383802975
You wouldn't have this XII remaster, or any potential future Ivalice games, if 'that shitty game' didn't save the entire fucking company.

>>383801907
>wanting Basch to get cucked and die
Useless sequel

>>383804085
Well he's a fallen noble that has to live in hiding the rest of his life from the church. That's pretty damn bad in itself.

>>383804494

Wasn't the first version of XIV that fucked the company?

>>383804471
I really wish PSP TO was ported to Android already. Despite the new scenes glitch and the removal of mp (which would be pretty cool on a mobile phone) , I really enjoy that version, and would really love PSP TO on Android too.

I remember some people in high school who wanted to make a Final Fantasy Tactics board game, that has the mechanics of D&D.

>>383804307
>Delita was the law route
>just conspiracies instead of actual fights so they scrapped it

btw what was Delita take on St. Ajora? All his plotting for ruling the kingdom would be meaningless if Ramza had failed. In the end, FFT is like every other Final Fantasy where the "kill the gods" plot is totally disconnected from the political one.

So, after looking up this game, some of the monsters in the game looks alomost indentical to the sprites in tactics advanced.

Does the games share the same universe? Or is it just a coincidence?

Is the empire the same in both 12 and 14 aswell?
Or does the game just share a similar story/plot line?

>>383784236

The original version of FFXII was MUCH harder than this casualfest remake.

>>383804603
Indeed and they hired a westaboo who has a hard on for WoW and did everything he said.

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>Vaan
Knight & Red Mage
>Balthier
Machinist & Time Battlemage
>Basch
Uhlan & Foebreaker
>Fran
Archer & Shikari
>Penelo
White Mage & Black Mage
>Ashe
White Mage & Bushi

I fucked up by making Penelo WM as well (was supposed to be a Monk) but oh well

So far so good, lads. I've been having a blast now for the past two days playing FFXII. My characters are around lvl 35, and my go-to guys are Vaan, Balthier and Basch.

>>383805019
>just conspiracies instead of actual fights so they scrapped it
There were Delita POV battles on PSP/mobile though, which means that law route could definitely be viable, even if it's not exactly like Ramza's route and has more story scenes.

>>383804572

He didn't learn anything from Delita though. Ramza continued as dumb and idealistic as he was from the beginning, and only survived the events of the game because he was the protagonist.

>>383805165

14 is not set in Ivalice, it is Eorzea although there is a upcoming raid for Ivalice I believe. Only Ivalice games have been FFT, FFXII,and to an extent FFTA series and Vagrant Story perhaps. I never played FFTA2 but in FFTA, the world is transformed into the world from a story the kids read which tells of Ivalice so that is why you see the same races and such in those games. The only two games I KNOW are canonically connected are FFXII and FFT where FFXII takes place long before FFT and by the time FFT takes place, all technology has been lost to time and ruin (which is why you fight in the airship graveyard towards the end of the game).

>>383805184
i played vanilla version when i was 12 years and old and don't remember it being hard

Vaan
>Shikari/Foebreaker
Penelo
>Black Mage/Red Mage
Balthier
>Uhlan/Archer
Fran
>White Mage/Machinist
Basch
>Bushi/Monk
Ashe
>Knight/Time Mage

Game is amazing so far, been over a decade since I last played it. After playing FFXV earlier this year, its amazing how much better this game is in literally every regard.

One thing I'd like to clear up.

So Rasler died in the Nalbina Fortess battle.
Then Basch took his corpse to Dalmasca for the funeral.

Then Basch just went back to Nalbina with Reks and co. to ruin the peace agreement was that it ? I don't understand how it seems everything in the prologue happens in Nalbina.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the ultimate job allocation for the ultimate autist - balanced between min/maxing and lore (including licenses that espers unlock, leaning more towards min/maxing).
My main party is Basch, Ashe, Penelo.

>>383805323
I made Penelo a redmage and she's been unstoppable so far. That dark magic really fucks things up in the beginning.

>>383805694

Pay attention to the narrator. Some time is set between the fall of Nalbina and the peace treaty. The Knights of Archadia still was fighting against the Empire when they were recalled to Rabanastre since the King was forced into a peace treaty. When they returned is when Basch found out about the assassination attempt and rushed out to Nalbina again to stop it.

>>383805510

I didn't say it was hard. But it was Battletoads compared to Zodiac Age. You become more powerful at several times the rate in IZJS since the tiles on the License Board cost the same but give far bigger upgrades since there are fewer of them. The speed-up button also makes grinding so fast and effortless that you naturally do more of it, making you even more powerful, and they also removed the damage limit so your attacks do several times more damage at endgame. Then Zodiac Age gives you another entire license board on top for each character, without upgrading the enemies to compensate.

It's completely braindead now.

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THE DAYS OF FF12 and SHADOW OF THE COLOSSUS!!!!!!!!!!! I WOULD GIVE ANYTHING TO GO BACK TO THAT TIME

>>383805694
Rasler dies failing to defend Nalbina. Afterwards, Dalmascan King Raminas agrees to "peace" meeting with Empire at Nalbina. Basch/Reks and Co. show up fearing empire was going to harm the king. Rest is spoilers that are revealed beyond that point.

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>>383805165
I don't know much of anything about the FF12, but when I first started playing FF14, I saw Gaius van Baelsar and Nael van Darnus and originally thought "Oh, are these guys Judges?" because Garlean armor looks very similar to Judge armor - also I think the same artist worked on both games.

The Garleans in FF14 are a race that was bullied by the rest of the Eorzean races because they can't manipulate Aether and use magic. So instead they become Nazis and create Magitech and have a goal of advancing their magic through Allagan studies and taking over the rest of Hydaelyn - believing that they are the superior race.
Also: something something beastmen, something something Primals, something something Acians. It's all explained more or less but I can't be bothered to remember.

>>383805943

Yeah, I miss college too. That's what you meant right? You aren't underage are you anon?

>>383805941
>flashbacks to grinding for tournesol
>flashbacks to grinding for second zodiac spear
>flashbacks to grinding for second masamune
>flashbacks to vanilla yiazmat

FUcking good. we deserve a break with the remaster

Is killing yiazmat still a pain in the ass in this game?

>>383806040

When I was a teen playing original XII and fighting Yiazmat, I was almost done killing him after HOURS of fighting and then my power went out. I was so pissed I dropped the game. Glad I went back with IZJS and beat everything.

>>383798215
Is there a way to hotswap faster than going in the party menu?

>>383805694
In the narration of Ondore, which like Arazlam's recountings is after the fact, he says that Archadia occupies Nalbina, which is already at Dalmasca's doorstep, and the knights which Basch and Vossler are captains of mount a counter-attack but are largely defeated by the Archadian army. Then the Empire agreed to meet in Nalbina Fortress to sue for peace with the king of Dalmasca, and that's the part where you control Reks.

>>383806024
i was 17 when ff12 came out

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>>383806000
>advancing their magic
meant to say 'advancing their technology'
Also while they are rather bland on the surface, the Garlean characters are some of the best written characters in the game.

>>383806080
No, you can break damage limit now, though even at max level, it'll still take like 1-2 hours

>>383797145
theres a vase or something on a beach you need to examine, and only that one out of 12

>>383805941
Having to plan out 2 boards, considering the usage of 3/4 quickening slots/12 espers between 6 characters to get your desired builds is hardly braindead. Not to mention there's a trial mode. As it stands, most people willl and are having fun with this game. Many of us played it when we were literally in our teens and are revisiting it again for the first time. Others its the first time and they're getting to play an ultimate less tedious and refined version of the vanilla game (have a friend playing it for the first time and he now insists every JRPG should have the speed-up button). Mechanics aside, the world of ivalice, music, feel, and atmosphere, is still as amazing as ever.

For "purists" like yourself, the original game exists, and you can even emulate it to nearly the visuals, if not better in some regards.

>>383806000
>>383806147
So they are basically the Dwemer of Final Fantasy except more competent and dangerous? Awesome.

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>>383806332

I think the beach chests are connected to the Nabudis ones, so if you open one there, the respective chest will disappear in Nabudis.
Did some research, and any of them will make the ZS chest disappear.

>certain enemies in Zodiac Age are easier than in IZJS
Okay that's overkill when you've already got double jobs.

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>>383804307
Law > Chaos > Neutral, though in Neutral Duke Ronwey actually proves to be a very capable commander. Not sure what to make of Neutral Vyce. Until there's an FFT with a TO like Law Route TO will always have a better story.

I have to agree with others that the original is perfectly fine if you want the FFXII experience. I already gave each character a specific role or job naturally by giving consideration when spending xp rather than aim to master everyone in everything, that shit just isn't sensible for a normal playthrough unless you enjoy the rpg grind that usually breaks any game like this. The HD upgrade might be worth it but a lot is just upscale anyway outside the character models.

>>383806359

>Having to plan out 2 boards, considering the usage of 3/4 quickening slots/12 espers between 6 characters to get your desired builds is hardly braindead

On paper, no it's not. But the problem is the game is so easy that none of that fucking matters because you can steamroll everything with any combination. Any time spent trying to optimize is wasted time.

first time playing, how did they go from this to 15? i dont understand, the first city is better than any city 15 had, blows my mind how they went backwards.

also the gameplay, jesus its amazing. at the end of 15, youre doing the same shit you were doing at the start of the game. hold attack, press block QTE, warp strike here and there, use POTIONS when you "die", all the way to the end. 12, I'm a few hours in (just got out of the dungeon with basch) and the gameplay keeps getting better, you get more and more gambits and wrap your head around the system. quests are retarded "find dogtags in the bushes" x10, you actually have to kinda "hunt" down the monsters based on the npc dialogue a bit. im having a blast, and there still quickenings and summons and a second job to delve into later?

i cant help but keep comparing it to 15, how was that acceptable when they had already made something with the production values 12 had on the fuckin ps2.

>>383782003
All white mage.
Party of peace.

>>383806443
Maybe? The Allagans, an Ancient technologically advanced race, are closer to the Dwemer - or more accurately - closer to Halo's forerunners than the Garleans were. The Garleans more or less based a good portion of their technology on Allagan technology.
So if we were to continue with the Halo analogy, the Garleans are kind of like the Covenant in that respect without the religious overtones, and their origins are more like the Dwemer.

>>383806804
for you perhaps, but its fun for myself and im sure others too (as evident by the constant discussion and people sharing their builds)

games are ultimate wastes of time in general anon, just cause you see the exploration of a mechanic as a waste of time, doesnt mean others see it the same way

you can argue that playing a dagger only character in dark souls is capping off damage and is wasting time but people like to play with daggers and will find it fun regardless, poor analogy but im sure you get what i mean

>>383806819
The most impressive thing about XII is definitely that it runs on a PS2 looking like it does.

>>383798363
>what is roleplaying
I swear if you fags aren't forced to do things a certain way you can't have fun

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>>383806819
About 10 years and people ignoring the mmo.

>>383803504

Not even that anon but I pretty much agree with his points. I bought the collectors edition when it first came out, played it, and really found no redeeming qualities. The game is just scattered in its approach. The only thing from the game that even stuck with me is the part where you run around screaming that you're Balthazar or basch or something. Overall the game is entirely 7/10 with no memorable features.

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>>383806359
>most people willl and are having fun with this game
I'm having an awful time but I have no one to blame but myself.

I forgot how beautiful the sandsea area is, it got that mystery feel to it.

how does 13 compare to 12. first time game in the series was 15 and i thought that was decent but this game is leagues better, i understand the mixed reception now. and before anyone gets angsty, yes i plan on playing 1-10 after

>>383789045
>he doesn't have a tank and position him away from his other characters so that they won't be affected by its AoE

>>383807135
i would play 14 if it didn't have a monthly sub

How many espers can each character have?

>>383806819
Given how both games are really different, I'm not sure your comparisons are very fair.

>>383806819
Well, for starters, it's different teams. Ivalice team has alwas been making amazing games, even if XII was flawed and could use some more work, and that's coming from someone who's logged almost 1000 hours collectively to the game.

It's clear the XV devs were looking to XII, and that's because that's the springboard from which FF should've headed after it. But XIII was made by the same people that made X, and they make completely different games, story-heavy, linear, less player choices. It also helps that XII was developed not only by the Ivalice team, but Hiroyuki Ito was behind the entire combat system, inspired by Vagrant Story's. I just hope XVI is being developed by Ito because I couldn't take another XIII of any kind.

>>383807234
you are entitled to your opinion

>>383807417
WHy the fuck are there no Bangaa party members

13 have great art,music and CGI cutscenes everything else is shitty, they went back to kitase,toriyama and nomura (FFX team) which was depressing as fuck after playing FF11 and 12.

>>383807386
Worth the sub desu. Only bad part of the game is pre-level 30-40 and the entirety of 2.1-2.3. 2.4-.25 is really good.

>>383807317
13 is fucking trash. don't bother

>>383807310
why force yourself to keep playing, game came out 2 days ago, im sure you can return it if you really hate it that much

>>383806783

On my first playthough, I did it, Ashe was my leader with good magic and damage, Vaan was the brawler but with 1h swords, and Penelo was a archer/mage/support with mage robes and stuff.
I fucked up my save, and restarted. I knew about the zodiac spear, so I didn't lose it this time. Ended up with everyone using the end game weapons, which are all greatswords outside of ZS and Masamune.
If they buffed the other weapons to be on the same level of the greatswords, there wouldn't be the problem of everyone playing the same. They kinda did on IZJS with the FINALFANTASY weapons.

>>383807546
Why would there need to be a bangaa party member?

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>>383807386
Free Trial up to level 35.

>>383807658
Sou desu ne

>>383807317
13 is a decent game, I mean, I find it absolutely hilarious when people who praise waifu simulators shit on the game

>>383807653
>They kinda did on IZJS with the FINALFANTASY weapons.
IZJS upped the damage of normal lategame weapons too. Like 20-30 points worth in some cases.

>>383807617
i might look into it eventually, biggest thing enticing me right now is the Ivalice raid (go figure)

I bought the Steelbook and still havent played it yet.

Ive bought almost a dozen PS4 games released so far this year and of them I've only really played Yakuza 0 and Persona 5

>>383807134
>roleplaying
>in a Final Fantasy game

Please, spare us.
And regardless, allowing the player to do anything it wants is simply bad design no matter how you want to spin it. Your bullshit doesn't even begin to take flight.

>>383807317
linear hallway with about 100 points of no return with only one disappointing large zone for generic kill monster quests.
its back to being turn based
but all strategy boils down to team construction with mmo roles (tank, dps, healer + buff and debuffer) and mashing auto attack
and you can only control 1 character
and if that character dies its game over
and the whole cast sucks.

Amazing game 10/10

>>383807317
XIII is wholly, completely diametrically opposed to everything that XII does. There are some people who will look at the merits of both (I personally find almost nothing to enjoy in any of the XIII games) and be able to enjoy both, but XII is more the kind of game I really enjoy. In fact, it has my favorite party-based combat system out of any RPG I've ever played, second or equal perhaps to Infinity Engine RPG combat, which is almost the same save for being played with a controller. And of course, the Gambit System, which is really for inactive characters, but it still allows you to fully control them.

Compare that to XIII, which also has something similar to Gambits, but you can't edit them or control your other party members at any time, and I absolutely hate that.

>>383787018
>It adds more a challenge

IZJS is far easier than the original game though.

Wither, Expose, Addle and Shear work on every boss (including the super duper ultimate ones), making them a complete joke. In the original game most bosses are immune.

You can also break the damage limit, making fights even easier again.

>>383807695
how playable is it on ps4. I have a pc that could play it but im just fond of playing FF games on consoles when possible

>>383807903
>and if that character dies its game over
This in a game with the Death spell.

How is Balfonhiem looking in Zodiac Age?

>>383799358
when captcha fucks up like that just click a new one. sometimes they dont sync up

>>383807546
Because the story is putting the reins of history back in the hands of man (and a vierra)

>>383807947
>IZJS is far easier than the original game though.
It really was, ZA is even worse because it has the same difficulty except know there's dual classing.

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>>383807310
>yfw you get Trango Tower by chance

>>383807903
>its back to being turn based
Not him but, are you implying XII is not turn-based? ADB is an evolution of ATB, both created by Hiroyuki Ito, and both are turn-based combat systems, though each one incorporating an element of real time to it. ADB took it a step further and melded it with Vagrant Story and thus XII was born.

>>383807851

If you want to do that, you should probably start playing now. You have a lot of catching up to do before it releases in a couple of months, and if you're not ready when it comes out you'll miss the boat on discussions and getting to learn the fights along with everyone else.

>>383807317
13 is a step down. The only thing good about 13 is the visual production value and some of the soundtrack and also Sazh I guess since he's the only one that actually feels like a written character in that game.

>>383807851
Might as well jump on it now.
If you're wanting to do any raid content you'll need to get a class to level 70, learn how to play said class effectively, gear up for appropriate iLevel, and also finish A Realm Reborn, Heavensward, and Stormblood's Main Scenario Quests. That'll take you about two months if you really put your mind to it, which would only be about the price of the full version of the game and 1 month sub.

If you REALLY want to be there fast, you can pay for fairly expensive Level and Story jump potions on MogStation, but you'll be teased, mocked, and also hated by people in-game for doing so and also not knowing how to play the job you picked.

You've got options. But time needs to be put into it if you want to do it the normal way. Also friends or an FC to help ferry your ass everywhere through content. You'll probably have a lot of fun though when you get to it.

>>383807716
What was it?

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>>383807956
Very playable. More than half of Japan plays it on PS4? Lots of PC players play with controller. And in the first 35 levels, there's nothing complex at all.

>>383808309
thats what i hate about mmos, you have to be there for the moment or miss it, i like playing things at my leisure, for example at the moment im enjoying the hell out of zodiac age. i understand the appeal of being involved in a large MMO community and partaking in that as well, but i just always preferred this kind of community where you play a single player game and come here and everyone discusses their playthroughs among other things

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>>383807939
did you enjoy Xenoblade or X? They kinda remind me of 12 just from what I'm seeing and hearing just on the open world singleplayer MMO though with a lot more budget obviously.

>>383807317
13's only worthwhile quality is its battle system, which unfortunately only really opens up about halfway into the game. Everything else sucks. The game is extremely linear compared to FF12, the characters are annoying, the art direction is uninspired, there aren't many cities to explore, the music sucks (opinion), and the story isn't interesting. 12 is divisive because it's not as focused on characters (although there is some interesting characterization, although it's subtle and is tied to their position in the conflict), the plot is hard to follow unless you pay attention, and most people don't appreciate the battle system since it's more about setting up a plan and watching it play out than making decisions on the fly (although bosses will force you to do so). It allows you to cut out trivial decision making to let you focus on the bigger ones.

>>383808538
is that implying later on it becomes easier to play without the controller? either way i kinda got my hands full with 12 atm, dunno how id find time to fit in an mmo and finish all that content in time for the ivalice raid anyway

but thanks for all the input, the few guys that were replying in regards to XIV

>>383807317
13 is completely different compared to 12.

In 13, 90% of the game you run through a one way corridor with strategically positioned enemies that will give you enough experience to never be underleveled while at the same time have level caps all throughout the game so that you can never level above what level the developers intended to you to be at.

The gameplay is typical Final Fantasy ATB, but you can only control your party leader. There are like 7 or so roles that your characters can switch between in battle. The whole combat system revolves around the "stagger" system which means you use the "stagger" role on 1-3 characters until the enemy becomes staggered and then you change to your dps role to kill the enemy.

The whole plot revolves about being on the run from the authoritarian government which means that you never visit any towns and interact with people. You only go from one monster infested area to the next.

Final Fantasy 10 has a similar "corridor" problem, but at least that game has interesting world building that actually lets you visit towns and a significantly better story in my opinion. People are going to give me shit for praising 10's story, but no one can deny that it is significantly better than 13 which says a lot about 13.

Don't bother with Final Fantasy 1-3, they are archaic pieces of shit that haven't aged well, even the remasters/remakes are mediocre as shit. Final Fantasy 4 should be considered the first game.

>>383806993
>Games are a waste of time

This honestly what people believe? you're so dumb of the real world anon

>>383807898
>roleplaying
Yes, that's exactly what it is, regardless of its depth.

>allowing the player to do anything it wants is simply bad design no matter how you want to spin it
No, it isn't. Freedom within a system that allows for creativity and rewards it is the opposite of bad design.

>>383808651

There's no difference between those things. Zodiac Age came out just now so there's discussion on /v/ about it. In a couple months, the Ivalice raid will come out so there will be discussion on /v/ about it. If you want to be there for when the discussions are fresh, of course you have to play the game at that time.

You can still play old content in FF14 at any time like a single player game. But it won't be the same as being there when it's new.

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>>383808889
The free trial isn't temporary afaik, so it'll be around whenever if you wanna try it. If you end up playing long enough, you'll probably want a USB keyboard you can use for your PS4 for chatting, is all. When the fights get more complex, you'll wanna talk to your teammates to figure shit out.

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>>383808929

>tfw looking fot the gambit system on 13 after my support casts 4 magics before protect

>>383807673
Because they're awesome

>>383808723
not him, but im a huge fan of 12 and played about 15 hours of xenoblade on the wii before dropping it. don't get me wrong, i think its a great game that expands on the ideas that 12 had. i think the sense of scale and exploration that game has is great. but i just wasnt a huge fan of the "teen gets hold of magic sword and must save the world" plotline. for me to invest 50+ hours into a JRPG, i have to really resonate with the experience the game is trying to set up and for me it felt like I had already experienced most of what was good about xenoblade with 12 on the ps2.

Is there a limit on how many espers a character can have?

>>383808929
anyone who gives you shit for praising 10s story is a contrarian or not a fan of jrpgs to begin with, thats literally that games selling point, along with its spira, the music and characters

>>383808889
Not that anon, but the HUD system for 14 is pretty versatile and extremely accessible with a controller - the only real downsides being there are things that a mouse specifically can do faster.

And to be frank, yeah. you might not have all that much time. though you've got about a year before the Ivalice raid will be complete.
The 24 and 8 man Raid content in FF14 are released in three parts. Usually the 8 man raid is released the first part, than three months later the first part of the 24 man will be released. Etc for part 2 and 3 for both.

If you start soon, you can at least be there for the second or third parts of Ivalice but 'miss' the first part.

>>383809173
Can the buff role even cast offensive magic in 13? It's been years since I played it.

>>383807939
if you like the combat in this you'll probably love the combat in Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles X except their gameplay is about 10 and 100 better respectively

>>383809385
No, you could give them all to one character and essentially make your own summoner job.

>>383808947
everything is a waste of time, you just have to find something you like your time wasting with

>>383809240
Xenoblade requires a gigantic time-sink if you're doing a lot of the important quests.
Grinding and item farming is the name of the game. Specifically Ice Cabbage and Black Liver Beans with 5% drop as an overworld item.

>>383809443

Yes, the synergyst role has offensive and defensive buffs, but one character get the offensive ones, while others get defensive.

>>383809523
I did play XBC and enjoyed it, but nowhere near as much as XII. Because I love a lot of things about XII and how it all comes together, not just the combat. I also enjoyed Dragon Age: Origins because of the combat, but enjoyed the story and world less than I did XII's Ivalice. Though I must admit, my love for XII stems from my love of Vagrant Story, so that's one of the biggest contributing factors too.

>>383809640

>working out is a waste of time
>Having a broken ankle is a waste of time

Whatever you say nigger, I hope you die in a ditch and get raped