Net Neutrality

It won't affect you at all if you aren't a fag who plays multiplayer trash

The government can throttle Nintendo and Sony servers so based Microsoft will finally get an edge and clean up the industry

>>383758890
Please stop.

>>383758890
it wont have any effect on gaming you fear mongering faggot

>>383758957
Try reading the posts again, dipshit.

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>y-your bill will go up if they remove m-my net neutrality!

That objectively doesn't happen, and it doesn't make sense why it would.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/report-net-neutrality-leads-higher-prices-less-innovation/

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Basically this:

Do you feel like you have the right to go to the local Burger King and tell the manager the prices for the food?

If yes: You're pro-NN
If no: you're anti-NN

>/pol/ making NN threads on /v/ to shill their stupid corporate cocksucking here as well
Fuck off.

it's a lose lose situation, no matter what.

if we lose NN the ISPs win, if we keep NN google,fb, and their political partners win.

Well your local ISP that has exclusive rights to your fucking state doesn't like valve anymore because they won't pay to be apart of their network. No more steam

>>383759098
this. Every lib has this argument and it fails everytime cause they do not understand business 101.

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>>383759098
>That picture

>reminder that net neutrality has been around for less than five years. the entire idea of net neutrality was hamfisted into place by obama and liberals are shaking in their boots now that republicans and the fcc are getting rid of it.

>it's corporate welfare that passes the cost of internet usage down to the customer. there's a reason companies with large bandwidth usage like google, Facebook, netflix, and r*ddit are the ones shilling for it, because they don't have to pay a fair amount of money for their operations. as a result, cable companies raise the rates of the average joe customer to subsidize them.

>the only argument FOR net neutrality is a strawman or slippery slope which claims that if the government doesn't protect us from the ISP boogeyman, they'll move to a pay-per-view model (which doesn't even exist in cable tv now) and charge per website. or you'll pay $1000 to visit 4chan. or you'll pay 50+ for each website genre. the internet existed for 20+ years without this regulation and none of these fallacies took place.

>now tell us how great net neutrality is without a fallacy

>>383759004
Not treating all data on the internet the same will definitely have an effect on gaming

>>383759230
see >>383759162

>>383758890
Piracy? Out the fucking window. Enjoy having to pay for all your games

>>383759252
what effect did it have before NN was established? (2015)

>>383759282

Good thing I won't.

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Net neutrality is just the jews trying to save shekels and brainwashing the good goys to back them up.

>oi vey, goy, the government will slow down your vidya and porno, goy. you don't want that do you?

The reality is net neutrality is like not taxing trucks on the highway. The trucks carry goods for jews, and the goys pay for the roads. Without net neutrality, companies can set up toll booths for the roads and charge the jews their dues.

57.5% of ALL INTERNET TRAFFIC is jewflix, jewtube, and kikebook. Remember that when you're defending the jew and preaching "net newtralitee" like a good goy.

>>383758890
Probably very little. Depending on how prioritization works out, people might be able to pay to have better internet during prime time hours.

Net giants like Google and Netflix will eat shit, as will the normalfags who use them, but who cares about that.

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>T-THE FREE MARKET WILL FIX IT! C-COMPETITION!

>>383759149
>Retarded comparison
>Burger King as a fucking example

Yep it's a murrican

why should I care what some anonymous people on 4chin have to say about this?

>>383758890
constantly annoying activist threads on /v/

thanks, OP.

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>>383759282

>>383759162
>ISPs don't have political partners
Please, there is virtually no new ISPs entering the field because the ISPs line so many pockets. Even giants like Google can't spread Fiber around.

>>383759149
It's more like I feel like I have the right to drive on the road up to the same speed limit regardless of where I plan to go.

>>383759149
it's more like:

Do you feel like you have the right to decide to go to either McDonalds or Burger King without MickyD agents throwing spike strips all along the road to BK?

If yes, you're pro-NN
If no, you're anti-NN

>>383759359
>people might be able to pay to have better internet during prime time hours.
thats already a thing though

>>383759162
>>383759269
It's a lose-lose but one is a less government involvement loss and one is a more government involvement loss. If net neutrality is gone then something can eventually be done about ISPs. If net neutrality exists then it's another piece of shit in the pile that needs to be dealt with.

>>383759230
Wouldn't mind it since "the free market" would tell dickhole services providers to fuck off when people switch to a better service.

But the fact that mega providers have exclusive legal rights to be the only ISP in large areas of the countries is fucked up

>>383759282
What the fuck? I hate Net Neutrality now.

With Net Neutrality:

>bandwidth hog app runs like shit
>ISP sees its running like shit but there is nothing they can do about accept wait for scheduled upgrades to finally happen down the line
>people get pissed at ISP and app and they both make less money

Without Net Neutrality:

>bandwidth hog app runs like shit
>ISP tells app people that if they can help them out financially they can afford to roll out some upgrades immediately to solve some network issues
>app has to spend a little money on the infrastructure they are working so heavily
>ISP can keep trucking on and the app makers have happy customers with a functional app

I really don't care this isn't going to affect me

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What's this mans opinion on net neutrality?

Is he /for us/ or /against us/?

>>383758890
I'm on the NBN in aus which is treated like a government run utility like power and water lines. I have access to competition so I literally don't give a fuck what america does or doesn't do re: NN.

>>383759367
You don't, so why are you even here?

>>383759454
> without MickyD agents throwing spike strips all along the road to BK?

Roads are goverment owned, bad example.
MickyD does have the right to put spike strips in their parking lot though, for sure.

>>383759327
NN wasn't established in 2015, rules protecting it were.

>>383759546
probably doesn't know what it is desu

>>383759546
he's /ourguy/ bub

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>>383759230
>net neutrality has been around for less than five years

Is that why ISPs were getting fined over it thirteen years ago?

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>>383759415
>Live about an hour or so away from Silicon Valley Google HQ
>Only internet provider in the area is Comcast
>Dish came by once and said they were installing fiber but it was a scam

Fuck.

>>383759454
>MickyD agents throwing spike strips all along the road to BK?

I want this cyberpunk future

>>383759546
The guy trying to gut NN is one of his.

>>383759098
>>383759230
>>383759357
the shills are getting fucking desperate.
What exactly changed since the SOPA thread days?
who has that image of 4chan traffic increasing over time with phoneposting and US elections

>>383759546
>is this corporate bootlicking kike cocksucker for consumers or for the big ISPs
Take a guess, anon.

The ISPs sure have a lot of money to pay their sock puppets on /v/

>>383759520
Then why haven't this already been the case when ISP have cheated costumers?

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>>383759546

Communists are for this shit, as is Google and Facebook.

All I need to know it's bad for the average joe worldwide.

>>383759162
>ISPs win
Aside from some regional operations, Comcast, AT&T, and Time Warner cable are usually the only ISPs in a given area. Some areas only have Comcast, who proceed to bone everyone in the ass. Why bother not having NN when the industry is so monopolized that they can crush any newcomer with no effort?

I don't know if I want to kill net neutrality when I have two choices for an ISP in my area.

>>383759616
Citation?

This issue is so fucking comedic from both sides
>libs think the plutocracy isn't stronger than their 'movements'
>cons suddenly 180 and love jewish run ISPs and want them deregulated

>>383759616
Net Neutrality has never existed in the US. Net Neutrality is quite strict about what is allowed and what isn't, popular media has referred to a bunch of tangentially related rules as net neutrality in and of itself which is incorrect.

>>383759098
>The report sheds light on the complicated rules highlighted by Oliver's "go FCC yourself" campaign, which has led to racist attacks against Pai.

yeah we are totally nothing like those SJW i swear.

>>383759230
>I saw something so insightful and inspiring in /pol/ that aligned with my political views so I'm going to spam it everywhere on /v/ instead of having an intelligent discussion

Oh, and by the way "Obama/Muh librals" isn't an argument anywhere outside of /pol/.

User successfully ignored.

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You guys are overreacting. Worse comes to worse, your bill is going to be the same price. This is just so cable companies can move the paying back to the sites they want to jew rather jewing us the consumers.

post yfw you're not American

>>383758890
>On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.

Not at all. But google, Facebook, and Twitter will no longer pass the buck and have end users subsidize them as they spew propaganda and censor.

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>>383759889

>>383759629
>friend was trying to find a place to move to that he can afford with his girl
>the only place that wasn't an apartment or some shit trailer "house" was a place without any internet providers
Its insane that there are still places, not off the main roads, that still don't have internet. The place is like an hour from Houston

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Which side do I pick if I want everyone to leave me alone and keep the internet more or less how it is now

>>383759853
>Comcast
>not jewing consumers
>not jewing them even harder given the opportunity
I almost spat out my drink, thanks anon

>>383759737
I honestly think he didn't even know what it was back then, he probably does now since he's the president now but he knows he can't go back on it because he was actually wrong and doesn't want to seem like an idiot to his supporters
t. Trump supporter

>>383759853
>your bill
its their parents bill. Theyre worried the government is going to delete 4chan and reddit and arrest them for pirating

>>383759357
>Company charges for something
>WOW WHAT A BUNCH OF JEWS

>>383759853
The jew will jew anyone he can get away with jewing at any moment that he can jew.

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>>383759737
Holy shit

>>383759949
My ISP isn't Comcast. Feels good man

>>383759949
comcast is shit but they arent stupid. They like jewing blue areas more than red. I wonder why.

>>383759947
>Not allowing the free market to decide what to see or not
Look at this fucking cuck

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>>383759889

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>we now live in a reality where /v/, an internet video game board, is full of people calling Net Neutrality an evil jew conspiracy and cheering for its demise without a hint of irony

I don't even know what to think anymore.

>/pol/ shills trying to make this a political thing
Yes, I know that everyone here will hate it on principle if you make it sound like some liberal bullshit or something, but it fucking isn't
It's a bipartisan issue

>>383759958
Yeah no fuck off, I'm paying a stupid amount for a competition-less internet access as it is.
I hope every comcast CEO dies in a fire

>>383759947
It literally doesn't matter.

All that matters is whether you think big companies like Google, Reddit, Twitter and Facebook should pay the same small struggling competitors; if you do you like NN. Because that's all NN does.

>On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.

>>383759958
topkek

Nothing is going to happen. Neither the government nor the cable companies cares about shitty sites. They only care about their customer line and anything political, like Google. Twitter is essentially a global powerhouse of the information highway, so listening to what they think is probably your best way of seeing if this is right or not.

So from what I understand, the reason NN became a thing in the first place is because one of the big ISPs was throttling Netflix because it was competing with their own streaming service, but shouldn't that stuff actually be illegal in the first place though?

>>383759004
Consider for a moment the effect of ISPs ability to artificially influence what sites people are going to. Let's say Comcast has a stake in a Dota clone, which game do you think people forced to use Comcast will be herded to? Which games will suffer spotty/ outright zero connection? Really activates the almonds doesn't it.

>>383760074
If you knew what to think you'd probably have an actual argument

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>>383759889
>mfw burgers itt are against net neutrality

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>>383759853

I can't wait to pay an extra 50 dollars for a single website like I do for cartoon network.

Gotta love that 230 dollar DirecTV bill.

why are there so many corporate cucks and shills in here?

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>>383759956
>doesn't want to seem like an idiot to his supporters
He does a good job at that anyways

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>>383759889

>>383759771
2 is technically all you need unless they are colluding with each other which is illegal. If one starts fucking over customers people leave it. Then that ISP says shit we have to lower our prices and blah blah free market

>>383760091
So do you pay more now, or in 2014?

>On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.

>>383760074

We've gone full circle in contrarianism. It's so fucking bizarre to see it happen since I started coming here in 07

>>383759979
Incorrect sir. They charge once for the connection you currently enjoy. Then they charge you again because you wanted 'unrestricted' access to X on that same connection.

>>383760074
When did you come over from reddit?

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>>383760074
Cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

>>383760101
So being against net neutrality somehow hurts google, reddit, twitter and facebook? sounds great

>>383759809
I'd like to take a third option and deregulate the heads of capitalists from the tyranny of their shoulders

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>>383760089
>Being this cucked in the head by the liberal media
Try thinking for yourself for once and you'll see that net neutrality is the reason we paåy so much more than other countries

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So anon, why do you feel like you have the right to tell someone else how to run their business?

>>383760074
Good, good, you think they're fellow video gamers.

>>383760036
they would have no reason not to jew harder. They don't have competition. In their territory it's buy comcast or fuck off.

>>383759737
The stances he took before running for president were drastically different than when he started his campaign

>>383760162
I assure you, your price is going to be the same in the worst case scenario. All this will do is lower prices for us who dont go to those sites constantly. For instance, I will be saving at least $20 to $50 now if that type of price structure goes through.

>>383760074
4chan has always been filled with idiotic contrarians that will support things purely to spite others even if it fucks them over.

>>383760089
It literally is. Because it's a fat lie. NN is just handouts for giant silicon valley corporations. Which way do they tend to lean against? Was the internet literally Hitler in 2014?

>On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.

>>383760221
Because the costumer is always right.

>>383760074
>approved by globalist countries
>a good thing
Fuck off George Soros, go suck some mummified nazi's shriveled dick you piece of fucking human waste.

>>383760036
Because red areas are filled with people on welfare who can't be nickel and dimed when food stamps aren't accepted as payment

>>383758890
It's already affected games:

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/737873-time-warner-sued-by-netflix-riot-games-for-deliberately-defrauding-its-internet-customers-and-the-fcc/

Time Warner in New York throttled packets for League of Legends. Riot games got a lower upload/download speed than advertised and had pay extra. Game packets from all other games weren't throttled, it only applied to LoL because it's the most popular online game

>>383759229
they literally do though, you stupid faggot.it's not even a strawman

>>383760128
Net Neutrality is literally the thing in place to prevent that from occurring.

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>>383760162
>tfw literally don't use a single one of those sites
Get fucked normalfags.

>>383760221
Pretty soon those "businesses" are going to try to put brain chips in everyone. No person or group or anything should have too much power.

>>383760050
>not forcing companies to be beholden to the consumers when the market is an Oligopoly

It's like being greedy to a fault is your religion or something.

>>383760074
>the people in this thread defending NN
>playing video games
/pol/ doesn't play video games, anon. They just whine and bitch about them not catering to their views. Like SJWs :^)

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>>383758890

>>383760128
what people don't realize is removing NN will give ISPs the ability to throttle ANY website they don't like. Just because they haven't done it before doesn't mean they wont in the future when they realize its an option. Also current ISPs have a huge monopoly at the moment so it will still only benefit them and no smaller ISP will be able to try and start on its own

>>383760221
because monopolies should be fucking illegal

>>383760315
Slippery slope

>people actually want to be charged extra
I don't understand. ISPs are not going to lower your normal costs when they can just up the costs for going to certain websites.

>>383760206
if Reddit, Jewgle, and Kikebook are all trying to tell me something is good then it is probably not good

>>383759889
This will affect you too, Ivan

>yfw will never live to see anti-trust swung at the telecoms because they grease the palms of all the crooks in washington swamp too generously

Okay who pays? Us for faster connection to certain websites or jewbook, goygle, goytube so that htey won't be throttled?

>>383760293
false. welfare areas are mostly blue.

>>383760209
It literally only exists to benefit them in the first place. That's all it does. We actually likely pay more because they aren't paying their share.

>>383760292
companies**

>>383759852
>Reality isn't real if I just ignore it

>>383760353
Fallacy fallacy

>>383760315
You forgot your tinfoil hat m8.

>>383760345
why

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>>383759683
Hi there, libcuck.

>>383760338
Fucking kill me.
This is the worst goddamn timeline.

>>383760373
Both.

>>383760289
> NN is just handouts for giant silicon valley corporations.

I don't think you know what a "handout" is, to be using the word so incredibly wrongly.

>/v/ is so unironically contrarian it would enjoy getting fucked up the ass even more by ISP's
>/v/ is so swamped with shills that it makes the above seem true

Holy shit either option is fucking terrible

>>383760162
libertarianism is another form of autism.

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>>383759737
wow I wonder what they were thinking, voting for a reality tv show host with no political experience
I guess they had that god solid christian faith on their side

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Why would anyone that isn't some executive of some big cable company be opposed to net neutrality

>>383760074
You should learn to think for yourself and stop being a useful idiot who literally doesn't look past the name of the bill.

>>383760415
Because they're anti consumer

>>383760296
In that case Time Warner literally committed fraud. It has nothing to do with net neutrality. They lied about their connection speeds. They gave people incorrect and broken modems. They didn't have the network to support the customers they took on. And a lot of other shit which is already handled by our justice system.

>>383760306
I know that, but the main argument against NN is that it's "government interference" when it's no different than other laws that prevent monopolies

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>>383759483
>If net neutrality is gone then something can eventually be done about ISPs.
How can we fix ISPs without passing laws and regulations that require a government to enforce?
Before you say
>the free market will fix it!!!!!
that shit doesn't work when ISPs already have monopolies on some areas. The other day some anti-NN shill told me to fucking switch to DSL if I didn't like the thought of my one provider (Comcast) in the area extorting the shit out of me as if that was a better situation than one where Comcast just wasn't allowed to extort me as much.
Government sticking their noses in my personal business is bullshit but I feel it's easier to reform the government than it is to try and reform private corporations without help of the government.

>>383760249
>I assure you, monopolies would never do anything to fuck over the consumer.

I really want shills to die. Is this really the future you want to have, shill? A place where you're only able to visit websites who suck the dick of the ISP that you happen to live under?

>>383759656
There is no difference, SOPA and NN are both censorship, NN is just re branded with a better sounding name to make it sound good so dumbasses like you support it.

>>383760162
that picture is pure FUD

>>383760476
Why don't you stay on reddit? Why come to 4chan at all?

>>383760501
NN wasnt used for anything monopoly related. It was simply a topping on an issue that didnt exist, aka a net free market.

>>383760415

They don't even fucking promote the free market which many of my fellow libertarian burgers seem to love so much

>>383760485
People are either contrarian or legitimately think that a monopoly will somehow be removed by giving ISPs more power.

>>383760464
You have the sides confused, anon. NN simply means giant propaganda arms like Facebook and Reddit pay the same as small struggling competitors. Learn to read actual words and not just titles, sperg.

On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.

>read one source that gives a few "facts" and shitloads of biased opinions
>read a second source that gives a few different "facts" and shitloads of biased opinions
>try to look at the primary sources to get information and make a decision
>500 page bills written in the most autistic roundabout way possible
I have no idea what NN is or what it will impact. Politics is fucking cancer and the flow of information down to the average joe is massively fucked up at this point. I have no opinion

>>383760415
it goes against the free market.
There is literally no consumer advantage for the existence of monopolies. Hence they have to buy political power to protect themselves.

>>383760375
I'm only speaking from experience because i lived in Mississippi until last year, and I'm pretty sure we were number 1 in welfare recipients unless those assholes in Alabama got the jump on us. Still probably top 5 for sure.

>>383760310
you realize what that means right, if your sites aren't on the list they provide?

>>383760371
anti trust doesn't apply to utilities mate. If they get title ii they can longer but hit by antitrust.

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>being on the side of large ISPs
>ever

Here's what will happen if you let ISPs run wild and do whatever they want.

>>383760506
The ISP monopolies are artificial. They'll be dealt with the same way Google's monopoly is being dealt with right now.

>>383760513
I'm interested in seeing how far the rabbit hole goes, yes. We'll know when we get there.

>>383760162
This, This is the image I was lookign for, THIS is what Net Neutrality prevents.

This shit is why I support NN. Fuck this, Fuck any company who tries to do this.

>>383760310
>4chan will be included in the "Racism and Hate Groups™ Package" for a low price of $199.99 and your name on a watchlist
That or
>4chan will come in the "Dank Meme Lovers™ Bundle" for a steal at $249.99 per month
>will forcibly come bundled with Reddit, 9gag, Funnyjunk, and ifunny access

>>383760393
I...don't think you know what that means.
That just means you're not inherently wrong, but it also means you still you know, need an actual argument.

Somewhat unrelated but
>more and more left-wing opinions are showing up on 4chan again
I called it
I fucking called it that after Trump got elected, the site would swing back to being more left wing, like it was during the Bush years

>>383760221
When they have a vertically integrated monopoly, have been given billions in tax breaks in order to expand their network(without doing so) then yeah. With no competition, the consumer cannot let the market decide, as there is no market to choose from.

>>383760485
Because it's a misnomer and literally only benefits massive companies like Google and Facebook, friendly neighborhood astroturfer.

>On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.

Fucking americans i sware

>>383760476
I like how you have no way of disproving what he said and use snark to stop reality from setting in

>>383760645
Explain to me how Google's monopoly is being dealt with right now.

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>used to be into the whole Net Neutrality meme
>now it's realize it's all a big con playing off of the gut emotions of naive web users to line the pockets of internet mega corporations while imposing further government regulations that are ultimately harmful to the development of cheap internet infrastructure, not to mention going in the direction of potential China-style government censorship

>mfw whenever the websites I like to go to suddenly throw Net Neutrality propaganda at me for a day

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>>383760421
Hey there, Drumpkins

Why doesn't the free market just make their own ISP that continues to provide neutral coverage and see how well it sells to the normalfags?

>>383760296
GOod, I wish they had throttled more

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Every single website is asking me to show how much I care about net neutrality rules

>>383760375
[Citation needed]

Just a reminder that Yahoo is now owned by Verizon.
For those of you who have Verizon as your ISP, hope you like using Yahoo and tumblr.

>>383760720
all of the day bro

>>383760531
It's time to get off /v/, Ajit.
you fucking poo in loo faggot

>>383760671
see
>>383760338
>>383760560

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>>383760421
Howdy, redditor.

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>>383760245
Hillary's opinion never changed. What a stonk womyn.

>>383760560
Woah... my almonds have just awoken from a slumber so deep that they could transcend the mortal plane and travel across infinite dimensions.

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>>383759098
>"The FCC's net neutrality orders presume that consumers will be better off if their ISPs are barred from throttling usage on an application-by-application basis," the report said. "In reality, not every consumer perceives every byte of Internet traffic to be equally valuable."

>"If a mobile ISP were to degrade video content from ultra-high-definition to ‘ordinary' high-definition, how many consumers could even tell the difference?" Melugin and Radia ask. "The answer depends on the technical sophistication of the ISP's customers, the capabilities of their mobile devices, and even their average visual acuity."

What the fuck is this shit? Do people actually read this crock of lies?

>>383760707

Of course, that's the nature of 4chan. Nice that I get to be a part of the in-group again though

>>383760558
Not an argument
I hate Trump and I can guarantee you I've been here longer

>>383758890
If they bring tis into action, austraila gamers can get the fastest if they pay for it.

>>383760569
>>383760604
Kill yourselves.
I'm so sick of you dumb shits who literally can not read English posting this.

>FREE market
>the entire concept is freedom
>HUR ADDING RULES IS PRO-FREE MARKET CAUSE I PERSONALLY WANT RULES XD

>>383760364
It literary won't. Don't pretend this isn't something that hasn't been discussed and brought up now and again for +10 years in other countries. Most developed countries are trying to deal with the actual side-effects of net neutrality, such as cheap plans that gives cellphone costumers like 20gb or something to surf with while allowing Spotify to ignore the data cap.

>never had download caps before net neutrality
>net neutrality happens
>in a 2 year period download caps already happening
>meanwhile caps are everywhere in Canada, where NN exists
Really makes one contemplate.

>>383760671
yes it does prevent that. but the chances of that happening with actual success are currently 0. NN also prevents giving free access to shit like Khan Academy or Wikipedia so keep that in mind as well.

>>383760634
>On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.

Literally nothing changed except Google and Facebook no longer get free rides and competition is no longer as stifled.

Either get educated or stop being a shill.

>>383760289
I swear to god you're insane. There is no argument here, just empty words on a chinese image board. If you don't think monopolies will do whatever they want to the public you know nothing of economics or world history.

>Yay! Master lets me visit twitter at 150mb/s for the first 180 minutes! Master is so generous and kind.

>>383760345
i thought monopolies were illegal in America anyways

>>383760671
>THIS is what Net Neutrality prevents.

NN didn't exist for 20 years and that never happened, your post is pure fallacy and you are unwittingly supporting corporate welfare.

>>383760490
yes it is already handled by our justice system, if net neutrality is stopped then that kind of thing would be legal

>>383760486
Who said shit about a bill? We're talking about the very concept of net neutrality here.

If you are an individual who doesn't work for a fortune 500 company and opposes NN you are either brainwashed or retarded.

>>383760761
because they literally can't? Google can't even spread Fiber around. Local governments get paid to turn down or charge way too much for new lines and they won't let them use existing lines.

>>383760316
they do worship ayn rand

>>383760595

>NN simply means giant propaganda arms like Facebook and Reddit pay the same as small struggling competitors

No, it means big propaganda arms aren't the only ones who can afford "fast-lane" service while small competitors get fucked by ISP's with slow ass connections. Go fuck yourself corporate shill.

>>383760707
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
CONSERVATISM IS THE NEW PUNK ROCK

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>>383759162

Oh no, everything either goes as normal or everything becomes more expensive and slow.

you want ISPs to be less jewy, you make it easier to create competition.

Often the """"argument"""" for NN is fearmongering. Google says approve NN or else the world will end! Multiple subscriptions for absolutely everything! The polar caps will melt and everyone living in the coast will be drowned! Oh wait wrong con.

>>383760865
fraud is illegal regardless of NN....

>>383760671
Yeah, your dumb. Where was that prior to June 2015?

>On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.

>>383758890

your name and personal info are required to play just like Korean MMOs that use social security, if you slandler, or use racism you can be found and sued. You'll also need to tell your ISP you want to visit adult sites

>>383760773
>Censorship and corporate welfare are good as long as it has a positive sounding name

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>make Gamer Fuel thread
>deleted instantly
>this fucking /pol/ politics bait shit goes untouched for 600+ posts

>>383760862
not if you pay enough politicians
big ISPs are like mafias in america

>>383760781
>>383760338
Why, why would I want this? No, Full internet access, ONE PRICE. NO EXCEPTIONS.

>>383760791
As someone who plays video games, and has no doubt heard countless people defend 30 FPS saying it's no different from 60.
Do you really think what he said is all that incorrect? Do you really not think the average internet user cares about 720 and 1080p?

>>383760782
Nice to meet you, neogaf. Or are you from the shill discord?

>>383758890
You are probably gonna end up with a "gamers package" so you get decent bandwidth with any popular online game. Maybe the ISPs decide to slow doqn places like Steam or GOG. Who knows, they can do whatever they want once the regulations are gone.

>>383760968
No one cares about your off-topic shit

>>383760853
TWENTY YEARS. DIDN'T EXIST. NEVER HAPPENED

>>383760919
not giving advertised speeds for certain services would not be fraud if NN were gone

>>383760476
They were thinking "fuck, if I don't vote for this guy Hillary will get in"

>>383760909
Sorry underage, normal would be going back to a pre-NN world.

>>383760968
One promotes discussion, one is a stale copypaste thread seen a thousand times. Gee wonder why yours got deleted.

>>383760912
>you want ISPs to be less jewy, you make it easier to create competition.
There is no competition when the barrier to entry is building your own fiber or cable network. You don't understand what a monopoly is at all.

>>383760687
>ISPs, the same people that give me the ability to pirate everything and give no fucks, pulling SJW shit
Yeah right. People don't appreciate enough how hands-off non-comcast ISPs are when feds and copyrights aren't meddling.

>>383760843
>NN also prevents giving free access to shit like Khan Academy or Wikipedia so keep that in mind as well.
>implying any ISP will allow you to access ANY site for free when they stand to make dosh by charging you
The only site you'll be allowed to access "for free" is the site where you have to pay your Internet bill.

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I can't believe more half the posts are supporting this fucking garbage.

>>383760968
this involves all of 4chan you dumdum

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>>383759149

A closer analogy would be the other utility resources regulated by government.

NN is much more similar to mandating that water distributors charge for volume of water used, without regard to what it's used for.

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>>383760986

That has nothing to do with degradation and lies in an article clearly written to be as anti-consumer as possible. Subjective does not make up for the fact that its a lie

>>383760943
>hates censorship
>but when corporations censor it's okay, just as long as it's something your paying for.
thanks, comcast. please make me pay more for a slower, more censored internet.

>>383760836
>On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.
>Exponentially more complaints about ISPs in 2017 compared to 2014

Really activates the old almonds.

>>383760821
When a market is controlled by an individual entity and that entity fixes the prices in total disregard to supply and demand does that seem like a free market to you?

>Hurdur well they won so I guess that's it. Please Time Warner-senpai, I shilled for you so let me suck your dick

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>>383759656

because-a you ask-a so nice!

>>383760707
4chan is the ultimate contrarian hipster. Trump is funny, but anyone with critical thinking skills knows he's just another neocon.

>>383760817
Except you clearly haven't, redditor/neogaffer. Fuck off back to where you belong, idiot.

>>383761049
And who's to say it won't happen now? You really think these companies have any integrety after the shit thats possible now? The ideas that are now ringing in their head?

>>383760912
>Internet provision industry
>Competition
>ever
Good one m8

Startups or newcomers lack the infrastructure or the funds to implement it that makes Comcast or other companies geographic monopolies.

Well if mods won't delete it at least it'll reach bump limit really quickly.

>>383761080
go call the microaggressions hotline, they'll comfort your poor fragile ego

>>383760162
With you image my bill gets cut in half!

>>383761053
#1 NN doesn't exist in the US and has never existed.
#2 You are 100% wrong and insane. NN has fuck all to do with common law fraud that has been around for hundreds of years if not longer.

>>383760843
>NN also prevents giving free access to shit like Khan Academy or Wikipedia so keep that in mind as well.
Cool, what companies are pushing for that?

>>383761049
Unlimited data used to be the norm for cellphones. Then they discovered they could limit the rate and put a pricetag on the different tiers of data.

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>>383761062

I don't know why I expected more from a retarded /pol/. Its just shitposts all day with you.

>>383760717

Explain to me how removing NN (which evens the playing field between the big guys like Google and say, Joe's Dildo Service) WOULDN'T benefit the internet giants who can now pay to have "premium" speeds while the smaller alternatives are left in the dust?

>>383761105
>but when corporations censor it's okay

You mean like Google facebook, reddit and netflix?

Fucking dumb motherfucker.

Man, do I miss the early days of the Internet. it had so much potential and still does now, but once again corporatism takes over.

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>if NN ends then ISPs will raise prices
What's stopping them from raising prices literally right now?

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>>383761080
hey, here's a TOTALLY UNRELATED image

>>383760828
In the country you live in now, do you have NN? And if so, do you enjoy it?

>>383760853
>On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.

Read it again and tell me when your doomsday scenario ever occured before that date.

>>383760596
I'm proud of you for trying, anon.

>>383761049
>never happened before = will never happen ever

I love this fallacy!

>>383759367
Because they're people, capable of making observations and judgements just like you.

That being said, many of them might be very stupid unreputable people, so you cant treat them all the same.

>>383761049
It was the implicit rule for those 20 years.
Starting in 2005 ISPs were throttling VoiP, P2P, mass-download servers.
The FCC passed NN trying to go back to the net of the 90s instead of the shit show it's turning now that the jews are involved.

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>>383760596
Same, what's the point of democracy if the average joe doesn't even know what the fuck is going on? The only way to think is by being told what to think, fuck that shit.

>>383759737

Yes but the guy fighting to get Net Neutrality gone was assigned by Trump.
This was writted in 2014. Trump has gone back on almost everything he has said from that time while trying to win the conservative vote.

>>383761182
where do you live where DSL is $70+?

>>383761193
>Then they discovered they could limit the rate and put a pricetag on the different tiers of data.

And yet cheap unlimited data is still everywhere

>>383759454
This.

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>>383760476
>muh political experience

>>383761073
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-rating

scroll down for an incomplete list of current ISPs that give free access to wikipedia

>>383761134
>When a market is controlled by an individual entity and that entity fixes the prices in total disregard to supply and demand does that seem like a free market to you?

Yes.

>gee I'm not doing as good as that business, instead of competing with them or boycotting them I'll just try to the goverment so they put a gun to their head and force them to slow down for me! yay america!!

Join the Day of Action for Net Neutrality, or else we may all end up banned from 4chan.

>>383761205
yes, and now in addition to that your ISP will have the power to censor whatever they want. And make you pay more for it to boot. You'll pay more for censored access to already censored content.
that's better though, right?

I like how all the anti-NN cons ITT like to pretend data caps weren't a recent thing and netflix wasn't extorted by comcast because they didn't want to upgrade their own network

The way that can be followed is not the eternal Way.
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
The nameless is the origin of heaven and earth.
While naming is the origin of the myriad things.
Therefore, always desireless, you see the mystery.
Ever desiring, you see the manifestations.
These two are the same-
When they appear they are named differently.

This sameness is the mystery.
Mystery within mystery;

The door to all marvels.

seriously though wtf is NN? This is so much more confusing than topics like abortion or gay marriage. Where are the fucking facts? not blogs and shill news sites

>>383761135
>>383761215

I want a 4chan that's just everyone who was here before 2010. Actually I'm so desperate I'd let the 2012fags come too

>>383761176
Shills out in full force. I hope those 20 internet funbux are worth it when sites like 4chan are teleported back to 90s dial-up speeds. End your life onegai.

trump has turned this place into about of corporate right wing cuckolds who love big business cock in their mouth

>>383760136
Companies like Comcast aren't fucking retarded and wouldn't be that blatant. We're smarter than that.

>>383761186
>#1 NN doesn't exist in the US and has never existed.

so every year these protests are literally protesting nothing?

>>383759098
People are defending this?

>>383761236
>383761236
>real reality is a fallacy

>the hypothetical reality that only exists in my mind is sound

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>>383759656
heres a fun version

>>383760596
same desu

>>383761302
*throttled unlimited data

Fixed that for you.

>>383760868
Yes, and without NN things would have stayed the same. It's a bullshit title to elicit a kneejerk reaction. Kys shill/moron.
>>383760894
That's why the more network you use, the more money you get, and the more you pay. Wow it's almost like that was the system in place before NN and it worked better. Oh wait, it was!

Sorry propaganda outlets, free ride is over.

>>383761198
Can you go one post without buzzwords?
Enjoy your ban for avatarfagging

>>383760490
Violating net neutrality IS inherently fraudulent. It's when ISPs suddenly refuse to add new ports to facilitate large web services while continuing to service everyone else. When you pay a specific monthly amount for a specific speed and bandwidth, it's implicit that you are paying the ISP to do whatever's technically necessary on their end to deliver all packets as promised.

But ISPs have arbitrarily stopped providing their service based on the SOURCE of traffic and packet contents. They cannot give any clear technical reason for this because their is none, for the same reason the fedex doesn't charge an extra 20% for every package shipped if you a large company that mails all products. It's because they wouldn't be able to get away with it, everyone can see that Fedex doesn't do extra work per package depending on the wealth of the company mailing it, just distance, size, and weight.

The internet is more technical, ISPs operate more behind closed doors, so people can't see how internet service works as easily

>>383761080
It's pol, the Democrats wanted to help their mothers they be against it cause it comes from dems. But yeah its pretty sad this people think ISPs wont fuck them once they legally can. The free market is not perfect, it needs regulations not even Adam Smith said the free market was perfect.

>>383759149
>food analogy
>and a shitty flawed one at that

Have a (You) for this bait.

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>>383761408

I sure will, retard!

>>383761345
Brietbert has a pretty good neutral article on NN and why it's bad.

>>383761209
nothing, where do you live where your internet bill doesnt go up every year or 2?

>>383760645
By not being dealt with?

>>383760909
Yes, if we repeal NN the internet will be identical to the way it was in early 2015. Correct.

>>383761345
FCC trying to claim jurisdiction over the internets basically. They're the same body that censors television.

>>383760782
god that's perfect

>>383761390
>quintupled because of Trump

>>383761386
Let's say you're right.

Why do we have data caps? They didn't exist 20 years ago, so why do they exist now?

I'm actually started to hope NN actually is destroyed, just so I don't have to listen to these corporate whores when they don't buy the 4chan Package™

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>>383761329
>b-b-but the free market will regulate itself!
Comcast is the law of the land it's regulating itself alright

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>>383758890
>This year they might even succeed, now that a republican (and Trump of all people) instead of Obama. We may lose our net neutrality again and possibly forever if we don't fight for it.

>tfw.

>>383760074

>>383761135
this should explain everything

All in the world recognize the beautiful as beautiful.
Herein lies ugliness.
All recognize the good as good.
Herein lies evil.

Therefore
Being and non-being produce each other.
Difficulty and ease bring about each other.
Long and short delimit each other.
Sound and voice harmonize each other.
Front and back follow each other.

Therefore the sage abides in the condition of wu-wei (unattached action).
And carries out the wordless teaching.
Here, the myriad things are made, yet not separated.

Therefore the sage produces without possessing.
Acts without expectation.
And accomplishments without abiding in their accomplishments.

It is precisely because he does not abide in them
That they never leave him.

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>>383761448
>Brietbert has a pretty good neutral article
No different than linking to CNN or The Independent

>>383760363
And Time Warner and Comcast trying to force this again means they are good?

>>383761352
your kind are the ones getting gibs from soros and so on, tons of big corporations who are promiscuous in left wing circles are in this too

and you guys have the nerve to call yourselves "against the system", biggest fucking hypocrites ever, your nignog muslim president was the golden boy of sillicon valley and all those rich globalist fucks, you're the epitome of conformism

>>383760843
>but the chances of that happening with actual success are currently 0
and you're basing this on what?

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>>383761478

Like talking to a wall. Did you idiots forget what Verizon tried to pull with Netflix? https://www.extremetech.com/computing/186576-verizon-caught-throttling-netflix-traffic-even-after-its-pays-for-more-bandwidth

Defend this shit. Seriously. Defend this shit, you fucking retards.

>>383761494
how exactly does the FCC not have jurisdiction over the internet?

who should regulate the internet?

>food analogies
>shitposting
>anime reaction images
>off topic

yup, it's a /v/ thread

>tfw not american

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>>383761449
So why all the hysteria about prices rising if literally nothing is stopping them from raising prices anyway?

>>383760746
I love how people seem to think tweeting is some kind of time consuming exercise and not something you can do in 30 seconds whenever you get a stupid idea.

>>383761560
TW and Comcast are more conservative companies.
Liberal companies need to get screwed, destroyed, and ripped up so they can't fucking cuck up the internet anymore.

>>383761434
Please go back to neogaf. If you want to suck off liberal propaganda outlets under false pretenses, that was always the place to do it. /v/ was always libertarian and NN is anticompitetion, revisionist newfaggot.

>>383761525
I never said that.
The free market is about being free, not efficient or perfect.
It's just that stuff tends to tag along, but not always.

>>383761339
I swear they're all like 2 guys from india or some shit. If you read this shills, I curse you and your 30 siblings living in your mudhut with stomach cancer which if you eat spicy foods like curry you are far more likely to get.

>>383761632
yet all websites you uses are

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>>383760249
>>383760310
>>383760554

Cellphone service providers and Television service providers have already proven that they will do whatever they can to fuck you over.

Skype fucking over their pay-per-minute service? Delete it. No, you can't even pay for Skype service. It's just not even an option.

What in the world makes you think Internet service providers won't do the same type of anti-consumer shit to make the most money off of you? The ISPs are literally the sister corps of Phone and TV providers or sometimes the exact same entity. Why would they NOT fuck you?

That hypothetical picture earlier isn't even the full extent. Enjoy your data caps and only being able to download 1 movie a month or being range banned from Russian sites because america doesn't like Russia or being range banned from Japanese sites because of some other retarded reason.

Nothing good can come of this, why defend it unless you are being paid to?

>>383760596
That's because, no matter who wins, we can get fucked over.

>>383761596
As opposed to what? /pol/ calling anyone for NN a Libcuck shill?

If you do not adulate the worthy, you will make others non-contentious.
If you do not value rare treasures, you will stop others from stealing.
If people do not see desirables, they will not be agitated.

Therefore, when the sage governs,
He clears people's minds,
Fills their bellies,
Weakens their ambition and
Strengthens their bones.

If the people are kept without cleverness and desire
It will make the intellectuals dare not to meddle.

Acting without contrivance, there is no lack to manageability.

>>383761448
was this sentence made to be funny?
It's sad that I can't tell anymore

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>>383761350
I'd only let the people in who forgot how long they've been here.

>>383759683

This.

>>383761584
Im gonna try to be impartial. NN means all websites get acces to the same bandwidth regardless of their content. Google gets the same access the same way your little blog with 20 views get access.

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THREAD THEME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iE24lTXlDk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iE24lTXlDk

I had time warner for 10+ years. paid 80 bucks for 10mb/s which was pretty nice in 2007, but not so nice in 2017.

all of the sudden verizon came to town, offering 100mb/s for the same price.

I was about to switch when I get an email saying my speeds will soon be increased to 150mb/s. Really made me think.

>>383761632
it will spread out sooner that later if it works for them there.

>That's why the more network you use, the more money you get, and the more you pay.

Are you... are you fucking retarded? This isn't about bandwidth usage, it's about the SPEED of that bandwidth, and the ISP's having the ability to throttle whatever website they want arbitrarily because you want the rules preventing them from doing that thrown out.

>Sorry propaganda outlets, free ride is over.

No, you stupid motherfucker, the only ones able to get in good with the ISP's will BE the huge propaganda outlets. You are literally metaphorically shooting yourself in the foot because you're retarded.

In a world without NN, Joe's Dildo Service is what gets fucked, because he can't afford the premium (read: non-throttled) speed packages to his site's visitors, only Google, Facebook, and Reddit can.

>>383761448
holy memes batman, we've reached shill levels once thought unimaginable.

>americans make it a democrats v liberals issue
This will affect EVERYONE. If you stopped sucking your politicians' dicks for two seconds, maybe you'd realize this only has to do with profits.

>>383758963
>what is downloading games

>>383761584
FTC does already. They have very specific guidelines of what they're capable of. FCC can do whatever they want in the name of decency - which amounts to censorship.

>>383760595
>giant propaganda arms like Facebook and Reddit pay the same as small struggling competitors.
This literally isn't true. FB and Google pay loads more than a site getting started to keep the servers running with the amount of people who visit the site. You think they'd be against it because it might cause a dent in that

>>383761660
Defending "This video has been taken down" Time Warner eh? Goodest of goys.

>>383761135
Been here since 2007. Both those spikes brought more gamerghazi and sjws and ShareBlue shills than anything. Try again, revisionist newfaggot.

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>>383761653
That image isn't about Trump wasting his time on Twitter, it's about the stupid shit he says

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>>383761329
>instead of competing with them
You can't fucking do that with ISPs when they have a GODDAMN MONOPOLY

>>383761217
Sweden, yes. Hard to say if I enjoy it or not since every attempt to curb it have been met with hostile opposition from all parties.

One big thing was mobile operators trying to block using Skype on your phone since it at one point was a cheaper alternative compared to regular calls.
https://www.thelocal.se/20120328/39938

Imagine if every road was owned by a corporation and they could set your speed limit based on your destination. McDonalds could pay Road Corp to make any travelers to other restaurants go 10 MPH on their roads, while McDonalds customers get to go 60 MPH.

Now imagine being so fucking butthurt about libcucks that you'd advocate that system just to spite them.

The golden era of the internet is over, and /pol/'s retarded ass doesn't even realize their type of content is probably on someone's chopping block.

>>383761068
ISPs will only fuck with you over piracy when they receive a notice from the copyright holder or when it sucks up too much bandwidth. In essence, they only fuck with you when they have to because it ain't worth the cost to do otherwise.

If they stand to profit from fucking up your illegal shit however you best fucking believe your "benevolent" ISP will do it immediately.

>>383761321
>scroll down for an incomplete list of current ISPs that give free access to wikipedia
>almost all of them are only operational in developing markets
Examples from a major first world market?

>>383761584
>who should regulate the internet?
Fucking no one nation, that's for sure. The internet is fucking global, literally a worldwide web. Having any singular body in any singular country monitor and regulate it is fucking retarded.

Dont be a retard cooperate cocksucker you gain nothing from NN being removed.
God fucking dammit why are /pol/ such cocksuckers. It was the same when this dude got punched off an airplane. Poltard think its aok for companies to attack you

>>383761650
Right now they can't make special packages where they charge you extra for 4chan for something. Without NN they could charge extra for Steam or GOG. Anything they want.

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>>383761494

They regulate ISPs. At least try to understand what you're protesting.

Are people mixing up NN definitions?

To hold until full is not as good as stopping.
An oversharpened sword can not last long.
A room filled with gold and jewels can not be protected.
Boasting of wealth and virtue brings your demise.
After finishing the work, withdraw.

This is the Way of Heaven.

>these fags LITERALLY defending the FCC
>on /v/
I want reddit to leave.

>>383761650
Price rising is more about shit like when AT&T blocked user from using Facetime unless they used the more expensive plan.

The less government involvement in everyones affairs the better. The industry isn't attractive to investors because its rife with government tomfoolery

>>383761714
Because daddy trump put indian verizon man in office. I came here last year because of the epic pepe election and I defend everything daddy trump does.
Even if something he does fucks me really hard I grin and bear it and say it's the best.

>>383761852
Is the goverment not allowing you to make a business to compete with them?

>>383761569
common sense
#1 if someone starts ransoming your website why the fuck are you going to keep serving them webpages ? pro-tip you don't and then make no money off it
#2 they minute any ISP does this they just gave any other ISPs some free comparative advantage which any other company can use against them. they would have to get literally every single internet provider on board to pull this off.

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>>383761329

Oh no, its the propagator of "The Natural Monopoly". Equivalent to a unicorn. There is no such thing as a natural monopoly.

>all these sopa and pipa false equivalences
>Compared completely new bills to repealing a corporate handout passed in 2015 with a bullshit name
>all these people who never actually read bills

On April 13, 2015, the FCC published the final rule on its new "Net Neutrality" regulations. These rules went into effect on June 12, 2015.

>>383761924
that anon just said a monopoly stacks the odds of ever competing with them, not the government

The five colors blind our eyes.
The five tones deafen our ears.
The five flavors confuse our taste.
Racing and hunting madden our minds.

Possessing rare treasures brings about harmful behavior.
Therefore the sage regards his center, and not his eyes.

He lets go of that and chooses this.

>>383761874
Corporations are trying to control, censor, and take over society.
But if you want to limit their power to do that you're a commie faggot who needs to die.