How does net neutrality affect gaming?

>>383753164

Probably throttle the shit out of people who download high size pirated games and play multiplayer a lot.

You see that game you like?

Your ISP says it doesn't exist. Don't bother googling it, Google doesn't exist ether.

Theoretically an ISP can throttle speeds for services from companies that aren't willing/able to pay for more, which will hurt smaller companies which can't pay while the big companies will continue to thrive

In terms of gaming I suppose ISPs could fuck server speeds and game download services

It doesn't. Now stop reading about this and go back to your anime of pornography, stupid go- I mean valued consumer.

It becomes legal for ISP companies to charge you money for playing games online, using certain websites, using "fast lane internet" (aka: your internet becomes slower than it currently is, and if you want it to be as fast as it currently is (fast lane) you need to pay extra.)
It becomes legal for companies to favor certain consoles or services or websites.

For example, Yahoo and Verizon could make it so that Google runs 85% slower on your computer than Yahoo.com etc.

Comcast could make a deal with Steam so steam games run normal speed but console games go 50% slower etc.

>>383753309
is this really how it will work or is this some bullshit that a 15 yo would say?

ISPs could hypothetically ask you to pay extra for a low-latency "gaming" connection or some other bullshit like that.

Can TOR and VPN help us?

>>383753554
I already pay more for a higher speed internet meant for "gaming, streaming etc" so....

>>383753490
it's an extremely extreme scenario

it's more like, "you see that game you like? Well it's going to take you an extra couple years to load the webpage about it because the owner didn't pay the ISP"

>>383753490
It's bullshit. ISP can throttle your game connections until you pay up, though.

>>383753490
Kinda over-simplifying, but pretty much yes. If some guy were to pay the ISP you use to throttle for certain websites, they will be effectively hindering or outright censoring whole organization, according to the right buyer.

>>383753490
Potentially. Most people think it would just be like cable packages (sorry bro, if you wanna go to 4chan you better get AT&T), but considering the potential range of powers that have been proposed in some versions of these laws, it's not impossible.

It really wouldn't be so much of an issue if internet service providers weren't such monopolies. But there's no competition so it's not like you could jump ship to a different company if the one you had is abusing data caps and shit.

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Did everyone forget when AT&T completely blocked 4chan from being accessible from their service?

It's gonna pass...What a depressing time.

>>383753490
Hes being extreme. But say EA brokers a deal with Comcast. Suddenly every Comcast user has to pay extra to download via Steam or it just takes significantly longer.

They will most likely start by offering "fast lanes" for certain when websites when all they'll really do is slow everyone else down instead.

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>jewgle and cuckerberg are against the rollback
really causes one to ponder

>>383753702
Also, in most areas multiple ISP choices don't exist or alternatives are shit compared to one choice. Let's say your ISP decides to throttle access to 4chan because they're being paid by NeoGaf, you might not have the option to go to another ISP because you only have the one, or maybe the only other ISP in your area is shit. The internet infrastructure in the US is fucked because all of the companies are working together to fuck over the consumer and not directly compete with each other.

>>383753629
Really? You think Comcast is literally going to stop people from playing minecraft and borderlands online? Will time warner really throttle your favorite Tripwire games?

>>383753878
Did I wake up in the wrong timeline?

>>383753490
you wanna pay for the youtube reddit package? You can upgrade to $80/month and add twitch at anytime.

>>383753857
Why does he shove his ass in the camera?

I'm not complaining, but just look at that.

>>383753942
because it'd restrict the traffic theyd get, and thus the information they gather and sell

This shit happens every year with Net Neutrality. Is it different each time? How does it keep coming up?

I don't pay enough attention, I just know about once a year youtube is filled with
>MUH NET NEUTRALITY

>>383753584
A VPN could if the country your connecting from has laws set to prevent throttling. Of course the ISP could just ban the VPN. You would likely need a very good one. Like the ones that an still connect to Netflix.

>>383753164
It gets in the way of pirating most likely.

>>383754042
>would comcast do shitty thing x?

Yes. Yes they would. Always and forever.

>>383754042
Let me give you a realistic scenario. Microsoft pays Comcast to speed up their shit and throttle their competitors. Download speeds from the Windows 10 store become amazing while Steam and PS4 downloads go to shit and become unusable.

>>383754136
>How does it keep coming up?

Because its removal keeps getting brought back up by the ultrajew ISPs lobbying efforts

>>383754086
haha. No. nice fear mongering though.

>the bigger jews dont want to have to pay more to the cable companies

Honestly, all this is putting aside the fact that I can't pay for anyone else besides AT-&T. I want Verizon, but the apartments around here are literally in a deal with AT&T where I can't get anything else. It fucking sucks.

>>383754136
it gives ISP full control over what you look at, when you look at it, and if they don't like it they can throttle or cut off your service

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>>383754136
>How does it keep coming up?

>>383753339
>In terms of gaming I suppose ISPs could fuck server speeds and game download services
this will be one of the biggest things. We already get shitty speeds here in the US. Now imagine that speed even more restricted in the hands of the companies that say you're eating too much bandwidth

>>383754136
It keeps coming up because in America Company's can lobby (pay money to people who many decisions) to grease the wheels and push their cause.

>>383754194
And Sony, which is just as big as microsoft, can not also pay comcast? Would it become a bidding war between microsoft and sony to stop people from playing the latest CoD on their competitor? No. This would never happen. Microsoft would never take part in your hypothetical situation, and neither would sony and they wouldnt do things like that to spite the other

>isp tracks your specific browser history
>lists your top 5 sites
>throttles your speed to those sites
>offers you high speed access to those sites for only $9.99 a month

>>383753942
They likely already know that it will happen regardless and view this as easy PR.

SPACE INTERNET WHEN!

>>383754393
ho ho ho ho ho ho

>>383754395
>implying there are 5 websites

I supported NN when the WWW was actually a collection of hundreds of websites.

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>>383754393
>Microsoft would never take part in your hypothetical situation, and neither would sony and they wouldnt do things like that to spite the other

>>383754263
I don't even care about having my info recorded and sold, I want fucking Google fiber out here, I would take all the ass fucking that came with it. I would love to have ANY fiber service out here because the majority of them are a million times better than what I have now at an absolutely minor price increase. Instead I'm stuck with 15 down 2 up ON A GOOD DAY but that's the only option I have unless I want to spend hundreds of dollars to get a mediocre service.

>>383754136
And the second people become apathetic to the issue they win. You're the reason they keep trying.

Freedom dies with this. /pol/ wins, they got the fascism they wanted. The irony of course being that /pol/ only exists because of the freedoms this removes, so they lose too in the end.

>>383753164
ISPs could hypothetically fuck you over
Government could hypothetically censor your shit

shit sandwich either way

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>>383754136
>This year they might even succeed, now that a republican (and Trump of all people) instead of Obama. We may lose our net neutrality again and possibly forever if we don't fight for it.

>tfw.

>>383754441
WTF we need net neutrality now!

>>383754353
A bill that works the way underhanded politicians work.

100% pottery.

>>383754393
In that case the cost gets passed to the consumer
Want to download steam games at a non glacial pace? an extra $29.99 per month

>>383754518
>muh pol

off yourself, leaf

>>383754393
are you seriously this brainwashed?

These are corporations, built specifically and only for the purpose of accumulating wealth. They'll do any underhanded method it'll take to earn that last penny in your wallet.

>>383754487
>reaction images are facts

Isn't this a septic tank thing only? Why'd I give a fuck?

>>383754287
>it gives ISP full control over what you look at, when you look at it, and if they don't like it they can throttle or cut off your service

That's what a LACK of net neutrality can lead to. Net Neutrality means ISPs can't fuck with data or discriminate. It means Comcast can't throttle Netflix and encourage you to subscribe to The Newer and Faster Comcastacast Video Service.

>>383754194
Steam already does this with Comcast by the way.

Download speed with xfinity on steam is 10 MB/s. Any other source is about 2-3 MB/s

>>383753490
It's bullshit. Exaggerated shit like that doesn't help anyone's case.

Blows my fucking mind that shills want me to believe that the isps are just going to not facefuck me once they're let off their leash.

>b..but the competitive markets
Not going to happen as long as these duopolies and monopolies of isp's exist around the US. I honestly expected better of /pol/ this time around but its either non stop shilling or ironic false flag shilling in that shit hole.

>>383754393
That's fucking rich, kid. They can and they will. If Microsoft partners with Comcast Sony would just partner with Time Warner and now you have to pick your internet based on what fucking console you own.

This is the future of a no holds barred business controlled internet. If you don't think these companies won't price gouge and fuck you in the ass, you're a fool.

>>383754194
Not to mention paying to have networks slow down computers that are still using older versions of Windows

everything was fine, even great, before 2015. so, no, this doesn't even matter.

>>383754647
he asked why having NN is a big deal, and I told him the worse case scenario

>>383754665
Steam also runs worse on Windows 10. Not coincidentally.

>>383754691
It's not pol. And even pol doesnt like this cause this isnt a free market as long as internet is a subsidized gift to these private companies. Thats the issue here. Even the liberterians think this is bullshit because internet companies have the biggest cheating business in this country next to oil companies.

>>383754578
Please stop making up numbers like a highschooler who doesnt actually know anything. It is not helping your case. Its not making me feel i should support net nutrality. In fact I just feel like its a bunch of underage kids who dont understand whats going on and are afraid the government is going to delete reddit and 4chan, and not let them download steam games. Its all "probably this" and "likely this too" but no one actually knows anything

>>383754726
You may have not had to deal with it, but bandwidth capping and content throttling was happening.

>>383754695
>Time Warner
If you mean Time Warner Cable, it doesn't exist anymore. It's now known as Spectrum which is for net neutrality

>it's only gonna get worse from here
waiting for that heart attack

>>383754831
oh? is it not happening anymore?

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>>383754416
I was thinking sort of the same thing. These companies have been rigorously already changing what people see. Now that it's coming out of the "Trump administration" they're against it.
Going full /pol/ here but why do they call it that instead of Republicans or just the government? Wasn't this bill started by a democrat?
Games.

>>383754604
>implying microsoft OS isnt printed on Sony CD-rom

>>383754393
Sony recently just told MS to fuck off when MS offered cross platform multiplayer for Minecraft and Rocket league. Now there might be an argument to be made with Minecraft (it being a MS ip) But rocket league? Yea. They can be that spiteful.

>>383754835
they are only for it cause they are one of the smaller companies. But I assure you the sooner they are in that driver seat of being the top internet company, they'll change their tune

>>383753164
>Yo you need to upgrade to gaming turbo plus package to play online!
More fees for shit we already have and restricting our ability to go to any website or use any online service you want without additional fees. Just a bunch of annoying cable bullshit, I would really prefer they don't rollback net neutrality. Shit's already more expensive than I like.

>>383754393

Sony literally pays multiple third-party AAA publishers, including Activision, to force the developers working under them to include exclusive content for PS4 - which often just means they cut content out of Xbox One versions of the game. How is this any different from that?

The answer is that, currently, it would be illegal for an ISP to take that deal. The FCC wants it to *not* be illegal, and the second it isn't, guarantee Sony and Microsoft will both be making almost exactly these deals with various big-name ISPs.

It doesn't even have to be throttling the competition, either. They could just go the more innocent-seeming route of "make it faster for us," and that has the exact same ultimate effect as "make it slower for them."

>>383754086

Depends, can I buy a cheaper internet package without reddit and twitch?

I know this question isn't relevant for most people on /v/.

>>383753490
basically Americans ruining the world one step at a time

>>383754835
Spectrum is Charter. Did they merge or something?

>>383754835
>known as Spectrum which is for net neutrality
Yeah, now that it's up for discussion, but as soon as it goes away they're going to push that shit as hard as they can behind closed doors so that it can continue to resurface over and over again while pretending to be on your side, but as soon as the reform goes through they're going to be lining up to ream you with a barbed wire dildo.

>>383754578
Not even that, the ISP can in that case go to both Valve, requiring them to pay a fee for access to the 'fast' lane (really just their current network speed), and to the customer requiring them to pay for a package that includes access specifically to Valve.

This is exactly how cable tv works after all, and most ISPs are cable companies who want to keep their business model.

New Fast Lane Internet! Just $99.95 a month with access to up to 50 websites!

>>383754691
The MAGA babies can't go against anything that their god emperor would be in support of, even though support of net neutrality is a fucking bipartisan issue

>>383754814
>And even pol doesnt like this

Have you been to /pol/ recently?

>>383753164
>Verizon approaches COD and Battlefeild publishers
>Offers to give them preferential treatment for a "Small" fee
>COD agrees Battlefiend doesn't
>Cod has extremely good connection compared to other games
>Verizon punishes Battlefield for not playing the game and throttles their game making it lag like shit

Now imagine this for every game that cant afford that fee or in some way "offends" Verizon as a whole or someone that works there. What if we get a chickfilla incident and someone at say comcast thinks FPS's are the devils work and attempts to "save the children" buy throttling the fuck out of all FPS games?

The point of net neutrality is to take all that shit off the table. To not even give ISP's the possibility of doing something like that.

>>383754831
Tons still do, even with your "NN" shit

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>tfw my internet is shit anyway and I don't play multiplayer trash so my world is unaffected

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>>383754695
>Consoles struggle enough with exclusives and games
>Sony will only work with Verizon DSL
please. no more childish arguments

>>383755023
>Have you been to /pol/ recently?
There's two camps of thought right now from pol

>fuck that democrat-liberal commie shit
>uuuh, okay, thats great, but the free market's not going to do shit cause these cable companies practically own all the wire in the country

The sane ones are in the second camp. Only trolls care for the first.

>>383755061
>it's okay because i don't use it

>>383754416
They have a lot to lose if net neutrality ends. ISPs could require Google and Facebook to cough up money to bot get throttled. Hell they could throttle them to try and funnel people into their own services.

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>>383754042

Why the fuck would you even risk it? Why? Its very clear and obvious that the main intent is to benefit big business. This is one of those things that 99% of everybody in the US should get together and protest.

>>383754835
>Spectrum which is for net neutrality
Cox says they are too.

Yet both have blown millions on lobbying to have it repealed. If they like it so much, why are they not lobbying to enforce it?

>>383754042
Yes they would. If they can package the internet and sell it to you for more money, you bet they will.
>But competitors
Sadly they are all in on it together, and they are set to to be able to prevent new ISPs from forming.

>>383754830
>making up numbers
do examples trigger you?
either that or you're a comcast shill

>>383755169
Considering Trump is not in good terms with the west coast companies, this is going to be an interesting thing to watch.

>>383755024
Verizon and ATT have already shown what they can do even without NN. Times are grim for the internet.
>as I say this I go through the billionth captcha of the day

>>383755061
Being apathetic to what should be an issue on the principles of something is never a good attitude even if it doesn't directly affect you, Anon.

>>383755102
They struggle because exclusive games aren't fucking profitable you child. It's the developer end that prevents those deals from happening more often like they did literally 10 years ago. You've got to be retarded if you think an ISP won't take a paycheck to do less work for no reason.

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>'Guys ISPs totally won't fuck you in the ass when net neutrality goes away'
>In a world where Comcast is playing with data caps in certain regions of the US to see if they can get away with it

>>383755027
yeah. Bandwidth capping still happens and is completely legal. THEY are already limiting you torrents download speeds

I keep hearing talk about if Net neutrality was gotten rid of is that smaller ISP startups could just provide a better service than the current ones. But in that event, what would stop big companies like Comcast from just buying them out?

No, fuck Silicon Valley. Burn San Fran to the ground.

>>383753164
>Gov relaxing rules on ISP's will cause them to dick over consumers
>When the gov. used their power to prevent anyone from competing with those ISP's

The real solution here is to limit the power of government, the reason lobbyists exist is because govt has the power to kill any would be competition with rules and regulations.

>>383754830
Fine. Lets take his $30 a month and stretch it both ways.
>Pay an extra $5 a month for Steam Premium
or
>Pay an extra $100 a month for Steam Premium
Do you like either option?

>>383753164
Good luck with that. Net Neutrality died the moment Trump got sworn into office.

>>383755013
Yep.

>>383755169
It would completely kill their competition who can't afford to bribe an ISP like they could, though.

>>383755230
Which is why we need to preserve what little protections we do have. At this point the fucking internet should be a utility since we can fucking vote in elections using it.

>>383755185
because you didnt take care of the internet you had I honestly dont give a shit if they further ruin the last 100 blakanized websites on the net.

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>Value personal freedoms and believe in the free market meaning I should be against net neutrality since a private ISP should have the freedom to set how they sell/what they sell/etc
>But also realize the average person is stupid and lazy, and instead of us just coming together and only buying from ISP that don't throttle services, everyone will probably just have to deal with more expensive or shittier internet

I'm conflicted.

>>383755289
This. I'm all against NN if it means Shitfornia can go to hell.

So what will you do when 4chan,reddit, etc is gone forever?

>>383754903
Facebook isn't an ISP and Google ismy really either they just have a tiny test market with Google fiber. They both stand to lose a ton of money if net neutrality dies. The only ones who stand to gain are the ISPs.

>>383755330
>implying
Go research about it before even making a dumb statement like that

>>383755281
Nothing. Not to mention, a lot of the internet fiber belongs to these companies to begin with. Though hilariously, the reason Google is expanding because these companies were neglecting it for all these years for the sake of nickel and diming us.

I use to work at a college and let me tell you, whatever internet they have there for administration, it is the fastest smoothest shit I ever had.

How is this any different from that SOPA thing from a few years back?

>>383755204
made up examples make me blow off the entire argument

>>383755281
>If net neutrality was gotten rid of smaller ISPs could provide a better service
Jesus Christ Anon, that's a really good joke there. I laughed out hard. Thanks.

>>383755380

Operate in the real world, not the dream one that will never happen. Regional ISP monopolies exist and won't be going away for a long time, and removal of net neutrality will give them even more power

tfw 1 TB cap already feels like shit

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>>383754903

Motherfucker, it hasn't even been two years since the last time we had to get together and protect net neutrality. Not everything is about Trump, holy shit.

>>383755380
the second is something we dont have a choice on, and literally only the government can fix. Pray that someone in the trump administration is smart enough to see this. Pray.

>>383755380
> only buying from ISP that don't throttle services
Thought you had ISP monopoly in US

>>383755494
I don't think you read my post.

>>383755445
The FCC isn't trying to fight it this time so it'll have an easier time getting through.

>>383755474

I never said I necessarily believed in that. Just a common talking point I keep hearing from people who are against it. Claiming that the free market will fix it so to say.

>>383755306
I dont believe either are probable. I think you pulled these examples from your ass.

>>383755445
One gives ISPs the ability to fuck you for every penny you're worth in the name of offering you better internet. The other allows governments to fuck you when ISPs gave them your private data.

>>383755519
I have at least 5 options in my location and it's in a flyover state.

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>>383755330
>he thinks Shillary would have kept net neutrality
Don't kid yourself.

>>383755352
That's not how it's going to work. Without net neutrality Comcast and Verizon are going to squeeze Google's balls hard for cash or they will throttle them. They stand to lose a lot of money.

>>383753164
This should have been the thread from the start.

>>383755473
>d-don't assume any payments comcast might charge you if they can!
fuck off shill

>>383755427
Wasn't referring to their ISP status, was more about censorship and bias.

>you might see net neutrality destroyed very soon
The free access of ideas and information that the internet provides is a human right and restricting it is what authoritarian shitholes do, be it for censorship purposes or money-motivated purposes

>>383755547
Depends on the state
Monopolies are technically illegal too

>>383755380
The free market would make sense of there was actually a fucking free market but there fucking isn't. The US internet market is in a fucking oligopoly, no one is competing with each other, the "free market" is a scam. These fucking businesses need to be regulated by an independent 3rd party otherwise there is literally nothing from stopping them from charging you $15 a fucking gig of bandwith you use. Things do not get better without net neutrality.

>>383755415
only 4chan will be gona

>>383755256
Comcast is doing it in those areas cause they are the only areas that dont have competition.

>>383755289
>>383755405
>people this retarded exist

California's economy is larger than that of most of the countries on the planet. You could nuke Silicon Valley and it would hardly phase it.

Also, if you're willing to throw away freedoms to spite strangers you probably grew up eating lead paint chips.

>>383755380
There is no free market when it comes to ISP's they all have no compete agreements in 75% of the nation you have exactly one choice. You buy from them or you don't get it. I'm my city we only have bright house period. I'm in one of the most populated areas in the whole nation and I have exactly one choice.

>>383755581
Every example is pulled from my ass you retard. Are you happy with any number is the point.

If those companies want it, it's not a good thing.

>>383755380
Competition is already not that open because the FCC. In many areas outside of major cities, you get one choice, take it or leave it. Shopping around for a better/net-neutral ISP is not something most people can do, and it's very unlikely that any ISP -- especially a small one -- would turn a profit for keeping net neutrality, because the extra subscribers they'd get wouldn't outweigh the profit they'd make from selling out. Fairness is worth less, so really, the free market has already spoken.

>>383753164
dont google and facebook both take and sell the private information that ISPs wouldnt be able to if not for the rollback? so google and facebook are just being cheeky cunts and getting brownie points for promoting what would be their own unfair advantage?

obviously net neutrality is a good thing, but companies like theirs are the reasons we need neutrality laws affecting more than ISPs

>>383755594
>Capitalist state has more options than blue shitholes
Nobody could have ever seen this coming!

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>>383755369

What the fuck is this post?

>>383755380
What, do you believe in monopolies, too? That's what ending net neutrality leads to. Small businesses would never able to conquer big businesses. You're not opposing the free market. You're supporting it. Its because of net neutrality that the internet produces as many businesses as it can.

Besides, what ISP isn't a greedy shitty giant conglomerate?

>>383753164
>downloading game
>isp sees this and throttles you or blocks it and demands you pay a small payment for it.

>>383753339
>which will hurt smaller companies which can't pay while the big companies will continue to thrive
lol its the complete opposite. have you noticed that it's almost exclusively tech giants that oppose NN? they know that they are practically being subsidized by ISPs.

>>383755669
>Are you happy with any number is the point.
no. stop fear mongering

>>383755380
You don't even get to choose which ISP you want in the US you fucking retard. They collude with each other to create regional monopolies. Most states only have one viable ISP. American conservativisms idea of what a free market based economy should be is fucking braindead buttfuck stupid. You still need consumer protections. Fuck my life I hate everyone against net neutrality more than I hate being alive.

>>383754136
Because they just need to win once to fuck everything over so they will keep trying until they get what they want

>>383755415
Find a deepweb version of it and hope to god its not going to be teeming with cp

>>383755579
No startup company is going to lay cables in the ground, and the big ISP's already gobbled up the ones the govt laid down

up front costs for a new ISP are simply too high

>>383755380
>SHOCKING: Internet Libertarian realizes the free market doesn't have his best interests at heart. You won't believe what happens next!!

>>383755645
This
>MUH FREE MARKET
This is what happens when the free market is allowed to run rampant, the few rise to the top and fuck it up for everyone who isn't them

There is nobody in the government that is going to stop this. The FCC is going to roll the regulations back and the ISPs will finally be able to turn the internet into the TV 2.0 holy grail they've been salivating over for a decade.

But even if the stars align and this does get stopped, do you really think it matters? Politicians know most of their electorate will not vote on this issue, even if it makes them unhappy, and ISPs are putting so much money into lobbying that they'd probably do it even if it did risk their jobs.

This is going to happen. It doesn't matter if there is bipartisan support for Net Neutrality because there is bipartisan lobbying against it. The internet as it exists now is doomed. Even if you win every single battle, they will eventually make some loophole or get a shill in power in the right place and something with slip.

Just give up on the internet. Enjoy the time we have left and start gradually refocusing your life on different things, that's what I'm doing. Gardening is fun, I fucking guess.

>>383755739
>You're not opposing the free market. You're supporting it.

This meme needs to stop
Government rules of ANY kind is inherently anti-free market.

If you have a monopoly in a free market, it simply means that company won the competition.

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>>383755724

Its not like we didn't try to protest the privacy of our own information being put up to the highest bidder, man. Trump just signed it into law cause frankly the man doesn't understand or care about the world wide web. And no, I'm not being biased against the president here. He legit doesn't seem to give a shit about this.

>>383755724
They're unrelated, actually. One is how data is treated, the other has to do with our right to our data is used.

>>383755579
Nah, it's all crap. Small ISPs don't benefit at all because the whole point they are trying to go for is break into the market, something that "TV-like plans for the internet" would hurt them even more because no one wants that model of business from a small organization. The average customer would only accept that from larger ISPs and their way of selling them "benefits" for it, so it actually makes the monopolizing ISPs just secure their position even harder.

>>383755281
Absolutely nothing, and also how are those new smaller more innovative ISPs supposed to compete with no networks?

The Bush administration's pretend way of creating competition was to force ISPs to open up their networks allowing other ISPs without their own network to pass their data through. So the cable company might be the only company offering service to your area, but you could bypass them buy your service from SpeakEasy or another ISP and get Net Neutrality on your little chunk of bandwidth which would simply be passed through.
It didn't really work because the network owners played all kinds of games from increasing prices, to just blatantly having their service guys disconnect customers of other ISPs using their network but at least it was something.

Trump administration just wants to hand networks paid for with largely public funds over to monopolies with no rules and no hard requirements to build out additional capacity or even maintain the current level of quality of service.

>>383755289
>>383755405

>I'm willing to let the govt. and corporations fuck me in the ass as long as I get to spite my neighbors who I don't like but are in the same predicament I am

you are literally the problem

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>>383755512
I don't think you understand what I am talking about. Of course it's important to continue fighting for what little internet freedom we have left.
It wasn't even 100% about Trump in my post. In fact, I was expressing confusion about why it was called "Trump admin" instead of the government or republicans in the first place.

>>383755626
Net neutrality has nothing to do with that.

>>383755835
I've known this for a long time, but it's not something you soak up in a day, I've been internally debating and thinking about it for months.

>>383753164
how do we remove the isp cucks
it doesnt matter which president it seems,they keep trying to push their bullshit on us

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>>383755849

Oh my God. Shut the fuck up. Holy shit.That is not free market. Monopolies ARE NOT free market.

>>383755849
>Government rules of ANY kind is inherently anti-free market.

Even the rules that support fair competition of services so that they best one can rise to the top? Sounds like the free market at work to me

>>383753164
WOW, CHECK OUT THE COMCAST GAMER PLAN, ONLY AN EXTRA $20 A MONTH FOR UNLIMITED STEAM BANDWIDTH

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>>383755604
Where did I say anything about Hillary Clinton? She's not president. I couldn't care less about her. I don't give a fuck about shoulda woulda coulda. Why are you Trumpniggers still droning on and on and on about her?

>>383755435
No, YOU go research. Trump made his stance on Net Neutrality very clear before he was even elected. He is vehement against it, as is everyone in his cabinet.

The internet is fucked. We had a good run but it's all going to go to shit in a few years.

>>383755724
The only reason net neutrality is positive is because american govt actively prevents competition with the big ISP's

Cant roll out new cables if the paperwork and approvals cost and take 3 times more than actually doing the project

>>383753164
In no way because I'm not an American.

>>383753164
I always get confused is net neutrality what we have now or is it the thing they're trying to kill the internet with?

>>383755380
You're a complete fucking retard, there are literally 2 providers where I live and I'm in America, if they both fuck me I literally can't do anything about it.

>>383755960
Monopolies are the inevitable end point of free market economics

There's no way this would pass, right? I mean all these ISPs would have to completely redo their contracts and shit and I can just imagine the outrage from costumers. No one is going to pay already outrageous prices and have shitty jew ISPs throttling at the same time.

>>383755986
And for an extra $5 a month you can access all of your favorite gaming websites (Kotaku, Reddit, neogaf)

So how will all of this affect mobile internet? How does it affect the cell phone internet providers? They already have deals where certain services (like netflix and music) are free from data usage. But everything ITT makes it seem like verizon is going to charge extra money to use netflix on my phone, which they are already giving me a deal of free for?

soooooooooooooo backlog time?

>>383755849
Said company can then do what they will with their costs.

Theoretically imagine if one oil company was the only provider for Texas. According to market research, they find out they can get away charging $20 a gallon at the pump, because fuck it niggas gotta drive. Those who can no longer afford gas cannot drive anywhere but to work. No more going places.
Oh whats that, you're a wealthy entrepreneur who wants to compete with Big Oil? Hope you fucking have a landfill of money because it's an unfeasible amount to get started.

>>383755960
>B-BUT THAT WASNT REAL FREE MARKET ECONOMICS
you fags are as bad as the people who defend communism

>>383755841
The free market is literally what led Bell to be the MONOPOLY for phone service, as well as certain power companies being the monopoly for power in their respective areas, and it got to be so bad that the US created laws saying that monopolies are illegal and that resources required to function such as power and phone lines were to be regulated by the government. That's what's happening now with the internet, it's the new phone line, and while monopolies are still illegal, it doesn't matter because functionally there are still monopolies. The internet needs to be fucking regulated, it's a required basic resource to function in modern society, you can't even get a job without filing an application online.

>No one is going to pay already outrageous prices and have shitty jew ISPs throttling at the same time.

They will because those companies have the monopoly.

>>383755921
Im willing if it means Europeans cant use the same websites as me

>>383755982
How can the competition be fair if rules are created to specifically benefit some people? Why do you feel like you have a right to tell someone how to run their business?

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>>383753164
They'll reduce up/download speeds to common game services like steam, world of warcraft, PSN, Xbox Live, Origin, Uplay, etc, etc, so you have to pay $40 more a month if you want latencies in the triple digits, and $90 more a month if you want latencies in the double digits.

also "net neutrality" is what's being fought to preserve so technically "net neutrality" would mean none of this happens

>>383755960
Monopolies are very much free market. I believe in the free market, but I also believe in regulations against monopolization, and I admit that doesn't make me as "free thinking" as the people who think it's ok. No matter how you paint it, monopolies are established as a result of companies having too much freedom.

>>383756092
you know all those companies grew up in an environment without this NN legislation, correct? It's only been around for 2 years.

>>383756053
it's what we have now

>>383755937
Who said it did?

>>383755405
>Shitfornia
>Not Shitifornia to roll off the tongue
Makes sense coming from a lesser state

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>>383755927

Everything that happens under an administration is considered to be part of that administration's era as well as by proxy their influence. This has always been how it is. The FCC is at the moment operating under Trump's administration with the Republicans in majority of House and Senate. Of course they'll be considered responsible for any actions carried on from now on. They represent the fucking country and people.

>>383756134
>>383756061

I'm not going to even bother with this. I refuse to believe people see monopolies as a good thing. ISPs practically exploit territorial boundaries to act out monopolies which led to this bullshit to begin with.

Prove for another time that reddit cant do anything.

Rule of a thumb.
If corporations are against it. Its something decent.

>>383755960
>Having the freedom to do something is NOT freedom!
>Having more rules makes things more free!

Wow, Samurai Jack posters are hitting pure cancer retardation levels

>>383753248
It takes up a huge amount of bandwidth to be constantly be torrenting and seeding, so yes, piraters will be throttled and should be throttled because they use way way way too much.

Multiplayer bandwidth is insignificant by comparison, and so is streaming.

It's not a question of piracy being legal, it's basically you're the one slowing everyone else down.

>>383756065
They're not going to just introduce this shit overnight. Once the regulations are removed, they are going to slowly, gradually make things worse.

We aren't going to go from what we have now to "Buy Our Youtube Bundle For 25 GB of Videos For Only $5.99 A Month!" instantaneously. We're going to slowly slide there over a few years and eventually average people won't even remember that it didn't work that way before.

>>383753602
so you'll pay even more numb nuts

>>383756258
The SiliconJew are for it, so I'd rather watch them suffer.

>>383756160
>>383756053
Yeah, it's an unfortunate name I've found. People will say they're against all these things happening and that's why they don't want NN. I need to explain to them that NN is the good thing, the thing we want to protect

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>>383754042
It have already literally happened.
https://www.howtogeek.com/183586/ask-htg-how-can-i-see-if-my-isp-is-throttling-netflix/

What will happen when this shit pass is that no one will do it in secret. Imagine if some multiplayer games were pretty much impossible to play because the devs didn't fork over dosh.

Imagine a world where a westerner wouldn't be able to play FFXIV and instead had to play something else because you can bet your fucking ass that there's one corporation that can't wait for this shit to happen so they can literally sue companies that doesn't fuck over other multiplayer games.

>>383756279
>and so is streaming
Are you kidding?

>>383756228
>I refuse to believe people see monopolies as a good thing

No one said that, learn to read.
Issue is you see "free market = good" when the free market is neutral. Monopolies are free market, sorry if that hurts your fee fees though

>America

Good so Trump doesn't get to tweet stupid shit, I don't see stupid CNN crap, and at last I can insult fatmericans without then sperging like a mongoloid all day because everything loads so slow.

>>383756159
>How can the competition be fair if rules are created to specifically benefit some people?

Because the rules aren't about specifically targeting one company for having more money by actively hurting it. The rules are to ensure that the big company actually has to provide a viable service for people to be successful instead of just beating down the smaller companies so that they're the only one, which is the whole fucking concept of the free market

>>383756190
>you know all those companies grew up in an environment without this NN legislation, correct?
So does that mean they wont be affected? Or are you saying since high speed internet markert emerged in an enviroment without NN legislation it also wont be affected? Or do you actually not know what youre talking about with this subject?

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>tfw don't live in freedumb land so it doesn't affect me

>>383756228
Both of those were me, I don't think monopolies are a good thing at all, I think these fucking shitty ISPs trying to fuck us over is indicative of the very root of the problem, capitalism

>>383754416
Like when the feds wanted Apple to put in a backdoor to the iphone when the NSA already had one in. clever

>>383753490
>ISP says games are sexist
>can't access steam to download games

>>383756360
America is the biggest ballplayer in the field, expect every other country to fall in line soon after.

Not to shit on you or be pretentious, but it is what it is.

>>383756279
>So is streaming.
You know nothing of what you speak of.

>>383753248
They're technically already allowed to do that.
This repeal just let's them charge businesses with massive traffic on their networks (as they did prior to June 2015) whom actually get protection and lobbying from our politicians.
They don't care about your chump change, they already know they have you by the balls.
Nothing changes. Net neutrality has only been in effect for two years. Stop gobbling up astroturf you mouth drooling redditors.

>>383756258
>if Google and Facebook are against it that means it's good
>what? Time Warner, Comcast, and every other shitty giant corporate ISP is for it, well that doesn't mean anything because Google is against it!
Kill yourself.

>>383753164
it doesn't.
get banned

Monopolies need to be broken up. If in any given large area there are NO other options for any given service then that service provider needs to be forcefully split up into smaller providers.

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>>383756272

Monopolies are anti-consumer. Free market assumes a self-operating market between consumer and producer. If a consumer is not able to influence the producer in anyways, the free market has failed. How can you be anti-consumer, you fucking idiot?

>>383756315
not like NN has anything to do with utility bills getting higher anyways

>>383756360
>He believes this

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>>383753164
when was the last time protesting did anything politically in the last decade sans getting several police officers acquitted?

>>383755960
This is the thing libertarians fundamentally don't understand, you can't have a truly free market with competition without having some amount of power outside the corporations that can regulate them, and no the invisible hand of the market isn't enough.

Monopolies emerge naturally in business all the time, and when that happens it needs to be dealt with swiftly. In the realm of the computer industry simply requiring that businesses adhere to standards instead of creating proprietary solutions that will only work on their own platforms would go a long way. That is after all the main reason why the internet works, because everything is open standards created by the government and free software hippies. On the other side of things its the reason why the majority of gamers feel they have no choice in platform despite all the anti-consumer things Microsoft is doing because Microsoft have been allowed for 20 years to ignore standards for graphics, sound, input, capitalization, etc and force their defective by design console-centric stuff.

In a world where Microsoft, and Apple had to support Vulkan and weren't allowed to push their inferior single platform solutions it would be much easier for users to just switch to a better product because their games would be there.

>>383756156
rather, it will mean that you wont have access to all the sites most european countries do. unless you pay up, of course

>>383756131
No its entirely because regulations stifle competition.
Whats that you want to build a pipeline to the place with the monopoly from the port and take a chunk of their customers?

I hope you like 10 years of legal battles and 10's of millions of dollars in paperwork just to get the approvals.

Why does /v/ hate free market?

>>383756352
The free market is the FREEDOM to do what you want, it's literally fucking "Business anarchy"

You fucking twats need to stop projecting your own desires onto the definition of free market.

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>>383753490
It's alarmist garbage promoted by reddit, facebook, and twitter. NN is anti-competitive, which is why these corporations absolutely hate the idea of it being eliminated. The ISP shit is a smokescreen, which is why even the IA's main site has no informative content and is literally nothing but "BAD PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR INTERNET RIGHTS" tripe.

Pic related. Do these companies look like defenders of your best interest to you?

>>383756334
>It have already literally happened.
so whats the point of this NN "debate"

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>>383754986

No but you can pay 50 for 4chan on top of what you're currently paying (in theory, more like $5 packages that contain one website you want and 2 or 3 more of those packages for the websites you want. Which is what it's like in non-neutral countries)

>>383756180
No, freedom is not a principle, it cannot be multipled infinitely. Freedom has its limits, everyone knows this, your freedoms end where another one's begins. Total freedom would mean I get to kill you if I wanted to.

So there are rules to be put in place to guarantee the market stays free. Because huge corporations want nothing more than a monopoly or oligopoly, which is antithetical to free market competition.

>>383756491
Shit like this. Monopolies need to be removed

>>383756224
In the post I replied to it was insinuated the Facebook and Google were only supporting net neutrality for brownie points or that they only supported it because Trump was against it. I explained that that isn't the case and that they support it because they stand to lose millions if we lose net neutrality. You brought up censorship and I explained this conversation has nothing to do with that. I cannot slow it down for you any more than that.

>>383756449
>If a consumer is not able to influence the producer in anyways

You can always influence the producer by not buying
>b-but they monoploies!

Yeah it's not easy, but you still have the choice to give up their product, if you can't do that, then pay what they want and that's the true value of the item.

Free Market = Freedom
Rules = Not freedom (Even if you happen to like those rules)

I feel like every year it's the same story with this. It's never happening.

>>383756510
>Pic related. Do these companies look like defenders of your best interest to you?
So now TimeWarner and Comcast are magically defenders of my best interest? Fuck you retard.

>>383756510
Okay now look at the companies who are against or have lobbied against Net Neutrality.

>>383756065
Who cares about the outraged consumers? They have no one else to go to. Besides they can just go slowly offer "Bonuses" like faster gaming speeds. Start small and grow until they are punching Netflix in the dick because Netflix wont pay them money. If anything they will weaponize their customers. By throttling every site or service that doesn't pay up letting the customers complain and bitch to that website or service.

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Would this affect Puerto Rico? We're just a colony of the US so I don't know.

>>383756510
>NN is anti-competitive

U fucking wot m8

>>383756446
The latter group isn't pushing massive amounts of hysterical propaganda like the former is. How dare they have to pay to broadcast their daily 24 hours of hate.

>>383756510
Groupon has gotten me some nice, cheap 'za. I'd sacrifice all my freedom for that

Comcast once throttled League of Legends and Steam traffic. So it does effect it.

>>383756626
yes

>>383756449
>how can you be anti-consumer, you fucking idiot?

Again, I'm not for monopolies you fucking idiot, but just because I don't like them doesn't mean they're magically not free market. Learn to think critically, kid.

>>383756510
>383756510
All of those websites are the kind of stuck up motherfuckers who think they know whats best for me.

>>383756360
Yeah, it's great that US internet regulations haven't historically set a precedent for all Western countries, that would mean the entire internet is at stake instead of most of it.

Seriously though, even if it didn't ever reach EU, it will still absolutely redefine the internet as you know it. Guess what happens if Microsoft pays Comcast to throttle Steam for all Americans? Steam fucking dies from losing its entire US customer base, and it doesn't matter if you can load their destitute webpage just as fast as you used to.

>>383756609
>>383756605
I'd trust them over Reddit, Google, FB, and Twitter.

>>383754986
>cheaper
Most likely not. Network and internet service providers almost never find reasons to charge people LESS money.

>>383756626
Guess what Pablo, US mainland trickles down to your mudhut too.

>>383756449
Extreme free market has nothing to do with the consumer, retard. That kind of economical system is only concerned with businesses. "Is a business hogging up the whole market? Start your own. Baby couldn't establish his share of the market and went broke? Too bad, guess the monopoly is still the better competitor. Try harder next time"

>>383756334
Yeah, that's a facet of this that most people haven't even thought about.

What happens when Microsoft goes to your ISP and pays them not just for paid prioritization, but for exclusive paid prioritization so that other companies can't?
Now your only choice for reasonable performance when streaming or gaming is through Microsoft's services.

>>383756637
>The latter group isn't pushing massive amounts of hysterical propaganda
No they're just buying congress to do it so they can fuck everyone over. They want this as quiet as possible, why would they broadcast anything?

>>383756605
See>>383756637

>>383756586
Just needs to slip through the cracks one time

>>383756626
artist?

>>383756428
that is until your president's son in law sells your country to George Soros, Jared's puppetmaster

>>383756535
your ala carte example is really immature and short sighted

>>383754042
yes, comcast already did that by throttling steam a few years ago? do you not remember this?

>>383756510
It's actually the even playing field to make competition possible. Fuck you, Comcast

>>383756160
>>383756323
It would not be a thing if govt did not have the power to pick winners and losers in the market.
Those big ISP's are unchallenged BECAUSE of govt intervention, you cant drop your own lines without years and years of paperwork and red tape, something no small business even with investment is capable of.

If competition was allowed then NN would be completely unneeded because you would actually have options for taking your business elsewhere instead of getting crushed by monopoly

>>383756637
>The latter group isn't pushing massive amounts of hysterical propaganda like the former is.

You're right. They've just repeatedly tried to lobby the fucking government to get its removal passed, no big deal

>>383756510
>regulations on water quality are noncompetitive
>regulations on gas mileage are noncompetitive
Christ you people are stupid

>>383756731
See >>383756719

>>383756657
>>383756694
me cago en la madre, puñeta

>>383756680
1 million times over. At least the ISPs aren't propaganda arms.

>net """"""""""""neutrality""""""""""""""

Google controls what people learn, Youtube controls what people watch, Amazon controls what people buy, Wiki controls what people know.

So neutral and unbiased! God for having some quality control for libtard bullshit!

>>383755281
Agreed. All those smaller companies do is repackage what the bigger companies are selling them anyway. They survive by taking a smaller cut and will thus never get big enough to actually compete.

There monopoly stands even with NN. Removing it will only makes things worse.

Of course its a fucking indian piece of shit that's heading the repeal. Fucking telemarketer revenge

>>383756680
Fuck off. The two biggest monopolies in the ENTIRE UNITED STATES for communications controlling the ENTIRE pie vs. a power war between numerous power houses, which do you think is the better option for a consumer society?

>>383756680
You are fucking retarded. You would rather trust the people who benefit the most from a "free market" and directly make money off of you, the people who will hike your rates and cap your data, than companies who would actively get fucked by ISP companies fucking you over which in turn fucks them over. Good logic you fucking Neanderthal.

Monopolies arent bad provided they arent govt supported.

Natural monopolies come and go in a free market. Only the govt keeps them alive.

Let the market fix itself. FUCK having to subsidize the whole worlds internet. Anglo internet first

>>383756360
you do realize europe is already doing this right?

>>383756680
Then you are literally retarded. Time Warner is the closest thing on this planet to the devil in corporate form.

>>383756748
No idea. The pics are from fate and guilty gear.

>>383755380
the government isnt there to uphold personal freedom, its to uphold the greater good for its people. oftentimes this includes a LOT of personal freedom, but when personal freedoms get out of hand and begins to harm others, then it becomes a problem. the only thing off the top of my head that i absolutely cant stand about libertarianism is the economic viewpoint

>>383756761
no. I dont follow game news everyday and I never noticed anything.

>"We need a free market! Get rid of NN!"
>How about we get rid of government granted monopolies to ISPs, overbearing regulation on running wires, and remove restrictions on wireless ISPs?
>"No no no no, NN needs to go first. It's clearly the worst"

>>383756719
Are you implying those website aren't doing the same exact shit? Are you that fucking naive?

Silicon Valley has massive political sway, you propaganda regurgitating mental midget.

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>>383753661
Doesn't have to be websites. Just think in terms of IPs. Now think about playing any peer hosted or P2P game.

>>383756814
It has nothing to do with what specific data is being shared but that ALL data is treated equally. Fuck you and your partisan pushing agenda

>>383756605
>>383756609
>So now TimeWarner and Comcast are magically defenders of my best interest?
Nice strawman faggot. Last I checked, Time Warner and Comcast haven't spammed my forums trying to claim to be such. You haven't debunked my point that NN proponents are selling bullshit to end users.

>>383756634
How exactly is giving ISPs the ability to lease out fast lanes not competitive? Right now there is no way for anyone to ever get an edge over a behemoth like Youtube, because literally all they have to do is keep their site running and it's illegal for a competitor to pay for a better service.

>>383756853
Monopolies are wonderful assuming humans ARE NOT INHERENTLY corrupt in nature. Since you are in 4chan, you are just another statistical proof that humans suck dick and you assist nature in proving that, congratulations.

>>383756637
They're selling their ideas to Congress and the FCC, not the public, because there's really no good way to spin this for public consumption. And their method is probably going to work, because in spite of the overwhelming public backlash we're most likely going to lose neutrality rules anyway because their lobbying efforts have been very successful.

>>383756814
I like the part where small indipendant websites dont exist anymore and millions of people are congregating on fewer than 50 major websites, leading to these ISP issues in the first place

>>383756853
I don't think you understand what this is about
Also
>monopolies solve themselves
Monopolies only break up if the government steps in or the service provided becomes obsolete

>>383756889
>the government isnt there to uphold personal freedom, its to uphold the greater good for its people.

Wrong
The goverment is not your daddy, it exists to protect your rights at its citizens. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>383756908
>you propaganda regurgitating mental midget
You're the one regurgitating propaganda, nothing I said wasn't a fact or fucking regurgitated.

>>383756853
>Let the market fix itself
Let me know when you come down from rainbows and pink land. The market clearly already failed when you allow the jews in charge to fuck over the consumer as much as they want with no repercussions.

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>>383756756

Hmm? I took the packages example from pakistan. You literally can pay a small fee to get certain websites (with a data cap for each). Those packages are admittedly put together better than the example but they do nickel and dime you for access to a lot of popular websites.

>The real world is immature

>>383756919
Data isnt treated equally by default. Companies make moderate it heavily in a certain political spectrum.

So yeah fuck off reddit.

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>NN laws only applies to the ISP companies
>They do not apply to Facebook or google, who are able to freely censor dissenting opinions because of this
>Facebook and Google are the two main interest shilling for NN laws

>>383756889
Thats backwards.

The govt only exists to settle disputes, all of the shit things happening are the result of the govt thinking it knows better, one persons greater good is anothers personal hell.

>>383756517
>hurrr why do we have laws against murder and prosecute murderers when people still murder?
Are you retarded?

>piratefags just upset they won't be able to pirate anymore

its like pottery

>>383756971
>Nice strawman faggot. Last I checked, Time Warner and Comcast haven't spammed my forums trying to claim to be such
Nice deflection, retard. You got BTFO and now you run away from valid points shitting your pants.

>>383756919
Project harder, you propaganda apologist. Let them pay to spew their lies.

This is a trust busting move if anything. Net nuetrality want even a fucking thing until June 2015 you underage neogaf fuckstick.

>>383753164
You wanna know how? YOU WANNA KNOW HOW YOU FUCKING PLEBE???

Here's how:
Games will offer premiums on net speeds. Yes, you read correctly. You could be playing CSGO, Overwatch, and CoD, and ON TOP of paying for your internet from your ISP, you'll have to pay to connect to premium servers at premium connection speeds. Oh, I'm sorry, that guy with 10 ping kicking your ass because you have 70? Pay an additional $12 a month and you too can get 10 ping.

That... is the future with no net neutrality.

Why is everyone going fucking butthurt crazy about it. NN has only been a thing for a tiny few years, and you guys are acting like this is the apocalypse. Fuck off.

>>383756853
>Let the market fix itself
Oh man, I wish I lived in your delusional fairy land, it sounds nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7J1o67-Qjo

I wish pro-NN shills would fuck off with their nonsense.

>>383757052
people from pakistan just got internet in the last decade

>>383757031
I feel sad for people this lacking in self awareness.

Sorry, child, no more free rides for your echoing temples of hate. Time for competition to have a chance.

>>383757069
Google and Facebook can censor whatever they want on their site regardless of NN or not.
Without NN we got a new company that can also decide what to view, on top of Google and Facebook.

How does America manages to ruin everything?

>>383756771
So how do you get real competition in a market that is essentially a natural monopoly? There's only so much room in places for cables, there's only so much radio bandwidth.
The only real solution I can see is treating ISPs like publicly owned utilities where companies can provide the service to the end user which Title 2 goes a ways towards but is still not complete.

I should be able to go to Bob's Internet Service, buy a LTE modem and have it work on every compatible network. Or hook my router from Dave's Discount Internet up to the city fiber and get the same level of service I pay for.

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This man wants to kill net neutrality and let the free market allow you to choose other ISPs if your current ISP starts throttling shit. Compare that to his predecessor who attempted to open the door for corporatism to take hold and let the corporations control the internet via the hand of the government.

Can you really say he's in the wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1IzN9tst28

>>383757130
No that is the future of govt mandated ISP monopoly.

When you can credibly threaten to walk out on your ISP all of those problems vanish.

Bernie wouldve never let this happen

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Imagine every single online service you use is cut up and charges you extra like with the online on your piss4 and xboner.

>>383756889
>the government isnt there to uphold personal freedom

That is literally it's number one most important job. This function is what justifies government's existence at all.

If it's not enforcing the protection of people's rights, then it should be abolished and re instituted in accordance with the declaration of independence.

Why do people treat internet like it's a limited resource? You only get throttled because your ISP wants you to get mad and buy a higher tier internet package. It's all pure unfiltered jewing.

>>383757178
It has taken twenty years for the internet to mature. So this whole "it didnt exist before" means shit because the internet was still a new thing most households didn't have/.

Why does everyone try their hardest to nickle and dime me in every aspect of life

>>383757069
ITS NOT ABOUT CENSORSHIP YOU DUMB FUCKS
ITS ABOUT NICKEL AND DIMING YOU OUT OF YOUR MONEY
EVERY TIME YOU FAGS CLAIM ITS MUH CENSORSHIP MUH CENSORSHIP
THESE CORPORATIONS DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOU WATCH, SAY, OR THINK
THEY JUST WANT TO GET MORE AND MORE OF YOUR MONEY WITHOUT YOU GOING TO A COMPETITOR

>>383756971
>the ability to lease out fast lanes

Because they won't be fucking fast lanes. They'll be the regular (fast) lanes and the fucking slow lanes

Also Youtube is a money sink and makes almost nothing

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>>383757126
Nice non sequitur. Begone, shill.

>>383757178
We've always had NN
It's been an implicit rule with the FCC since the dawn of the net.

>>383757069
I know if Facebook and Google want something, it's bad for the average person.

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>people expect the "free market to correct itself"
>when fucking GOOGLE, one of the most powerful corporations in the entire world, couldn't establish itself as an ISP despite its best efforts because of how horribly the system is skewed toward existing the monopoly

Are you people fucking retarded?
Why the fuck do you think this is just going to magically fix itself somehow? What exactly do you expect consumers to do when they have one choice? Do you understand how a market works?

Guys, get over it. Trump won, Hillary lost. Eight more years. The Muslim ban is completely legal. There was no collusion with Russia. Trumpcare will be amazing. The free market will make the internet great again. Stop virtue signaling and accept that gay marriage is wrong, global warming is fake, and "net neutrality" is socialism.

#Ivanka2024

>>383756971
With the idea that you're supporting, YouTube can just pay the isp to fuck over smaller businesses. The isp can double charge users and providers.
>>383757062
That has nothing to do with the data being sent though the tubes to your home. Stop making this a partisan issue
>>383757128
That's not even an argument. Without NN the companies you hate so much can just pay to shut down whenever point of view you agree with. I don't know what you believe, but I do not want that to happen. Information should be treated the same and not throttled because someone paid someone else more

>>383753164
Remember paying for your console multiplayer? Now you get to pay three times for the same service.

>>383757102
Yeah thats why people are mad
Because torrents are websites right?

>wanna go to pornhub
>loads after a year

>>383757084
>ISP providers already doing, legally, what people are afraid theyre going to do
is the same as
>ISP providers doing something illegal and getting away with it

>>383756003
>Why are you Trumpniggers still droning on and on and on about her?
because thats what the commander-in-chimp is doing, and they learn through imitation

>>383756027
youre right that the government is fucking us by preventing more competition between ISPs, but competition alone can't always prevent anti-consumer practices. since this is /v/, just look at DLC and the hacked apart games that came as a result in the free market of video games

>B-b-b-but Facebook!
I don't fucking pay Facebook for my internet service. I don't give a fuck about why Facebook cares about Net Neutrality. I do care about my ISP deciding that they ran the numbers and only 10% of its users use more than 200GB a month and if I want to use more than that I need to pay them $500. Get the fucking corporate cock out of your mouth you dumbasses.

>>383757252
>Can you really say he's in the wrong?

Yes, since 80%+ of consumers don't have other ISP options to choose from if theirs starts the corporate facefucking.

>>383757209
So ISPs were censoring the internet before June 2015? You sure about that? Because NN passed June 2015.
Net Nuetrality was just a gibsmedats for silicon valley mega corporations that also helps to snub the small competition.
Fuck off you underage nu/v/.

>>383757204
>I feel sad for people this lacking in self awareness.
The irony is so strong. You shit propaganda at me and when I make logical points you just cry about it, now you're claiming letting the ISPs who already fuck us fuck us even harder is giving competition a chance.

>>383757252
NN is not stifling ISP competition.
Government granted monopolies to ISPs and cable regulation is killing the free market.

>>383756971
How about they make a better product than youtube instead of paying internet providers to slow youtube down? Your example is stupid in every way possible. If youtube is such a behemoth even if you did pay for a "fast lane" you tube could just double down and pay the isp to block you entirely.

>>383757257
Stop anon, you're making me sad ;_;

>>383757130
>Pay an additional $12 a month and you too can get 10 ping.
These are the people who think they know whats best for a nation

>>383753164
Any system that uses P2P or third-party dedicated servers could be throttled to a halt. This includes self-hosting for small parties like Risk of Rain or dedicated home servers one might host. They could also selectively allot bandwidth to certain providers while outright denying others, otherwise throttling them. Same with all other traffic.

>>383755841
Get the fuck out communist.

>>383757252
>and let the free market allow you to choose other ISPs if your current ISP starts throttling shit.

How about he gets rid of all the fucking regulations for starting up an ISP first instead? Oh wait, that wouldn't be in the interest of the current ISP monopolies

>>383757252
>First 10 sec is literally bullshit

>>383756279

While bandwidth is limited, this is only really because of poor infrastructure in most of the United States.

If they updated the lines and made use of stuff that's installed but not currently in use, high speed internet service could be provided with effectively limitless bandwidth to almost everyone in the country for like 5 cents a day per person.

>>383757381
So boycott them.
BAW BUT BOYCOTTING IS HARD I JUST WANT THINGS TO BE HANDED TO ME WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH TAKE AWAY OTHER PEOPLE'S RIGHTS FOR ME ME ME

All the net neutrality regulation does is give more control of the internet to the government, at which point they are free to start censoring at will.

Shitty companies like Comcast only exist because it has lobbied hardcore in many different municipalities to create more and more regulations surrounding the ISP market such as inhibiting construction of new lines, ensuring they become the only real competition in town. By having such high barriers to entry, no one can come up and compete.

Why do you think Google Fiber demands that the city bend over backwards for them and fast track them through regulations before they even think of deploying in said city? It's why Portland is getting Google and not Seattle, because Seattle city council is full of Comcast shills.

>>383757291
>continuing to shit your pants, running away from points, having no argument
Lovely.

>>383757282
>freedom is bad guys having more freedom means you have less freedom and it costs you more money

Yeah nah fuck google and facebook.

THEY'RE the ones that are going to have to pay, not the average person.

>>383757279
Capitalism

>>383756467
Pipa and sopa, underage

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>>383757350
>because porn takes longer to load, people are either going to go back to still images or make higher quality porn
>we return to the golden age of non casual porn

>>383757263
imagine i fucked your mother. Now imagine you now have to pay me because of it. Thats what no NN looks like

>>383756156
Why do you think Europeans wouldn't be able to access your sites? The same shit is going down in Europe but people are pulling in the opposite direction.

But I already pay for my internet.
They already paid for their internet, too.

Why is there a need to charge people AGAIN for things they already paid for? Instead of trying to double dip while whining about bandwidth, they should invest some of those disguting profits back into the infrastructure so it can support it.

Oh sorry, I'm being reasonable. Can't have that.

>>383757310
Your post proves that state regulation killed a potential competitor such as google due to current laws

>>383757335
Funny fact. All those sites censoring and stiffling competition all this time we're lefties. And ISP guys tend to be conservative. So I wish what you say was truen
Also, June 2015 was the first month NN existed. So what changed? Nothing, except liberal mega corporations getting a freebie.

>>383757490
>Boycott a literal monopoly in the current age where internet is near required to function in society

Wew

>>383757454
Not an argument, classcuck

>>383754094
cause furfags

>>383757605
>wahhh its hard!

This is why companies have grown so out of hand, cause of weak cunts like you.

>>383757252
Yes yes, let people choose from all of those other optio... oh wait.

Well how about letting people set up their own ISPs without being raped by fines and bullied by comca... oh wait.

Well how about not wasting 400 billion dollars in tax money that was supposed to go to infrastructure in the first place.. oh wait.

Kill yourself Pajeet.

I think the bigger issue here is why (((Google))) and (((Facebook))) are joining this supposed "protest".

There is absolutely no fucking way in hell they actually support net neutrality.