Leave e-sports to me

i want to fucking die

>>383697278
>esports
LOL
>blizzard esports
LOOOOOL

>>383697278
E-sports is fucked...

>>383697278
esports are gay as fuck

>>383697278
nobody over the age of 16 gives a shit about e-sports

>>383697278
>20 million dollar buy in
Are they secretly trying to kill OW esports so it can just be casual play shit.

why does everyone in esports look like a donut or a stick

>>383697278

>neofag colors

>>383697278
Oh thanks rocket league

>>383697278
Tell me one good reason why this wouldn't do well in esports?
Why do you make fun of esports.
You're a nerd.
Why reject your reality?

>>383697278
Overwatch e-sports has never been alive.

Blizzard just pumps money into it as a failure, little more than to act as advertising at this point.

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>all the tf2 ""pros"" who left tf2 to become an overwatch ""pro""
>overwatch comp is fucking dead too
squealing

Blizz REALLY need to fuckign udnerstand that you can't just jumpstart a esport by ntossing money at it. They failed with SC2 even with the immense goodwill they got with BW, and they are already fucking it up with OW.

Just let it grow from the ground up, ffs.

>>383697278
dead on arrival even some the most die hard blizzdrone admit that they saw Starcraft 2

>>383697278
>fucked balancing with the lead designers catering to casuals and having fuck up after fuck up
>half the charcters are unfun to play (tanks) or straight up garbage (defence)
>fucked Sr system where silver mercys can reach GM with negative win rate
>heavily team reliant on random casual kids who dont give a fuck so unless you play 2 tiers above you cannot hard carry
>tolls and grievers run rampant without consequence
>peak viewers audience on twitch 30k, mostly tends to be lower than 15k

This shit is going to flop and its going to be glorious

halo was getting more viewers lmao, how did they convince anyone with those shit numbers that were lower than SFV

OW is WAY too clustered visually to be a good viewing thing.

Thing like dota can get hectic in big fights but you still see the basic gist and you see the winner.

>>383698124
forgot to add cancer like
>2CP maps
>brain-dead characters like D.VA being the most meta.
>slow updates
>low characters leading to only one comp being viable.

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Leave Overwatch to me

>>383698756
>class-based quake
no thanks

>>383698054
>goodwill they got with BW

Blizzard killed all BW tournaments in South Korea by forbidding any company from profiting from the broadcasting or holding of an event without their permission. This was a new rule at the time and only came into effect around 6 months before SC2's release. And they only approved SC2 events, so no one was going to run events at a lose so BW events just stopped happening. Even though BW was always played much more in PC cafes during the entirety of SC2.

Anyone who was actively involved in the BW scene as a viewer or participant knows the blizzard only fucks things up when they get involved and SC2 got a lot of hate even before release due to this. They killed their own game's monopoly on eSports just to sell more copies of SC2, and since SC2 sucksd everyone just swtiched to MOBAs.

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>>383697278
It appears that all of the teams are using the exact same characters, and the exact same strategies. This is an exciting competition!

>>383697278
condolences to any shortsighted "pros" who didn't get into streaming

>>383699036
WHat i meant is that after a resounding success such as BW, you expect a LARGE amount of hype and attention for your new game. And then they fucked it hard. Fuckign BW is one of the many blunders. No custom from the start was another

They only get around 25k views for current tournaments, what makes them think they can be this huge e-sport? The game just isn't a good spectator experience.

>>383698908
It worked for TF2

>>383698908
>class based

So you haven't played it then.

20 million dollar buy in sounds pretty enticing desu

>>383697906
because they're fucking losers who's only "redeeming qualitly" is being good at vidya

wow, what an amazing skill, that is completly useless once you're forced to retire due to age

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>>383699069
But there's totally a ton of variety anon.

people still play blizzard games?

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You cannot fucking astroturf a competitive scene if you don't put a decent framework in.

I don't know why Blizzard hasn't learned this lesson since so much of contemporary esports was built off of their games.

Valve had it on easy mode since their two biggest guns are the successors of MOBA #1 and the most popular FPS of all time but they could've still fucked it up.

Even if MOBAs basically made RTS go the way of Halo and disco, there's no reason Starcraft 2 should be as small as it is, and on the other hand, why Hearthstone is somehow as large as it is.

I'd call it stupidity, but half of it is just fucking arrogance.

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>overwatch esports

>>383701498
>since so much of contemporary esports was built off of their games.
Their games, but not their framework. Really Blizzard wasn't prepared for SC1 to be big, and they didn't learn from that to figure out how to make SC2 a real success.

>>383698049
tf2 comp was biggest joke ever
6v6 is boring to watch and forcing teams to play the same setups makes it even worse

>>383698041
Makes you wonder what else they've been pumping money in.
>tfw 90% of OW porn was blizzard funded

>>383702292
No one forces you, you can run spy and pyro to mid all you like and get face fucked.

>Blizzard convinced people to pay $20 million a slot for games that get, at best, 20k viewers.

OWL will flop, but at least Blizz will make bank off it.

>>383702512
Yes, a penny for Activision is a penny well spent!

>>383697817
I watched an entire e-sports game of CSGO with my dad one night because we were bored as shit but not tired. It was kinda fun explaining what all the guys were doing as he got more interested.

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>skill-less shooter
>esports

Just play CSGO like everybody else already.

>>383697278
>You have to pay as much as the biggest prizepool in eSports to enter

To what end?
Do they want it to die and games like Dota to thrive?

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>>383697278
Hmm, makes you think

name one game that was made for esports thats more painful to spectate than overwarch.

>>383702512
Pretty sure HotS tournaments get more viewers at this point.

>>383702717
Evolve
In all seriousness I don't even know, never watched that shit.

>>383702676
They thought they were popular enough to pull it off. I mean, if people were willing to pay $60 for that game, $20 million to play competitively seems pretty reasonable.

>>383701956
>they didn't learn from that to figure out how to make SC2 a real success

Oh they knew, they just thought they had enough clout to let their greed get the better of them.

>>383702841
i am not talking about entertainment value. in evolve you could at least see what team/side you're watching right now.

>>383702717

Dawn of war III

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0RaTgyzTbw

>>383703092
It's pretty obvious which team is which in OW. You just have to look at their team comps: >>383700330 See? One team has Dva, the other doesn't.

>>383700056
>win 20 millions playing videogames
>retire at 30
somehow you'll regret this

>>383697817
Say what you want, but I always find things that require a high degree of skill to be interesting to watch. Whether it be painting, singing, chess or gaming. As long as I have a basic understanding of the medium, I can respect what I see and enjoy just how impressive what I'm seeing is.

>>383704401
>not buying lotto tickets to make more money with no skill and retiring earlier
It's the same shit, most of them don't end up rich successes. It's like becoming an indie dev because you saw how much Notch has.

>>383704965
This. Also I gamble online on pro League of Legends matches. I would bet on normal sports, but I don't understand them or enjoy them as much as following pro league

>>383700330
not even Lol is this stale

>>383706378
But OW only has 10 characters so half the cast being viable is okay.

I never have fun watching something Overwatch related unless it's a short or less than 12 seconds. The game just isn't interesting to watch when everyone is clustered together for 10 minute hectic chunks. It's also built to be a slide half of the time; sports are interesting because they dynamically go back and forth, Overwatch has to do that in rounds, and thus the problem with the repitive styles and comps come into the problem. They're going to drown the cow.

>>383702717
QC Sacrifice

>>383702292
>forcing teams to play the same setups

you know almost nothing about comp tf2, nice try you dumb nigger

>>383706919
It's amazing how they managed to make a game as fun to watch as it is to play.

>>383704401
like 2 people in the history of e-sports have done this, and they were both Koreans, and they didn't make the money from actually winning tourneys, it was from advertisement contracts because they're like celebrities in S.Korea

The only person in the US or EU that has even come close was fatal1ty, and even he just got his money from advert deals for sound cards and nuts.

yeah gonna be absolutely huge just like heores of the storm

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh...................... wait.... but........

>>383707617
Are you saying "just play esports" isn't a good get rich quick scheme?

>>383707717
Blizzard made the mistake of making a game that appeals 99% to their own fans, who would move on to their next thing that they'll dump to go back to Dota.

>>383707617
Pretty sure some of the EG dota guys have nearly 2 million dollars just from the international alone

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>Competitive Overwatch.
>One team follows the meta.
>The other team does something that isn't playing by the books 100%.
>OH MY GOD HYPE HYPE HYPE FUCKING PLAY OF THE GAME PLAY OF THE GAAAAMMMMEEEE

>>383697278
Who's actually paying those prices?

>>383708318
Noone, apparently.

>>383704965
Im similar to this, but instead I like to listen to people who talk about their field of expertise. As long as they know their shit or appear to, I find it interesting to listen to.

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who gives a fuck about overwatch
>BW 1.18
>"don't worry guys we won't change anything at all!!"
>"except the UI and hotkey rebinding lol you can have those :^)"

FUCK blizzard, and FUCK esports

>>383697278
How competitive is the Overwatch SFM porn fapping league?

So...dead game, right?

>>383710650
It's still "popular" with people in the way that Minions are still popular.

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>>383710330
>no hotkey rebinds for e-sports shitters
>the core of the community
They are a straight-up bottom tier company now.

>>383697817

Man, I know a 50 something year old Japanese dude who cares only about food and fighting game tournaments.

>>383702717
I PLAY competitive Overwatch for my University, and in demo review after games/scrims it is confusing to know who is who. Especially during a teamfight.

I believe the main problem is the red/blue coloring. When you play, your team is always blue and the enemy team is always red. So it can be hard to counteract the natural instinct.

Fun to play at a high level (we're grandmaster/top 500) but terrible to watch. Nobody on either of our teams finds competitive Overwatch fun to watch.

>>383711638
At this point they might be too big to fail, being part of activision and all.

>>383712304
>I believe the main problem is the red/blue coloring. When you play, your team is always blue and the enemy team is always red. So it can be hard to counteract the natural instinct.
This is definitely a problem. TF2 didn't have this issue, but I get that not having it set for "shoot the red guys" is hard for some people.

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>>383703112
>they gutted and watered down a good series for this

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Street fighter gets more views and that game only has like 3000 people online

>>383712947
That's understandable, though. SF is popular and easy/interesting to watch. It's like a boxing match so anyone can understand it, you don't need to know what objectives are or all the abilities, you can just watch them clobber each other.

Playing it, on the other hand, is a totally anti-casual experience, and if you're not good you "git gud" by having your ass kicked until you figure it out enough to hold your own. OW is super casual to get into, but requires game knowledge to watch.

>>383712947
It's shit to watch and the community cares way more about playing dress-up.

>>383712508
Tf2 had team colouring built into the playermodels and architecture from the beginning. Compare that to OW where half your team is one colour and the other is the polar opposite in some cases. By using a lot of strong whites and neutral colours instead of making teamcolouring the focus, visual clutter inevitable.

I don't know man, I just really wanted this game to be something. Like, even from its announcement I was excited for this game. Titanfall 2, splatoon, the souls series, overwatch, almost every game I've ever invested in dies immediately when I touch it. It genuinely makes me sad.

>>383713493
It's sad that OW just needed a tiny excuse plot to have some color-coded design, and they couldn't do that because deciding who the lesbian is was a higher priority.

>>383713936
Look, I get overwatch has a lot of problems but that certainly isn't one of them. If you actually can't tell who is who then the problem is you, not the game.

>>383702484
there were literal limits on classes and gear you could use

nobody wanted to watch or play a mode that reomved all the fun from TF2

>Remove D.va's min range on her defense matrix

>shrink Winstons headbox to where its impossible to crit him when hes jumping

hahha yeah, great work you fucking retards

>>383714061
No, it's a problem with the game. It does have a lot of problems, and this is one if they want it to be an esport. How do you expect people to watch it when the team colors are meaningless and confusing if you actually play? Casuals are just going to be confused when it jumps around. If you just load up a stream, you don't know who's attacking/defending, unless they finally fixed that.

>>383714776
Wow...you really don't play this game do you?
Are you too stupid to see the red highlight around people? Are you colorblind?
Again, this is you stretching for an excuse.

>>383713261
Fighting games are the least specatator friendly shit there is man

You wont understand any of the decision making if you dont play intensivly yourself

And if you dont understand how and why things happen shit is boring AF

>>383715024
Err, do you think we're talking about playing the game? We're talking about watching people play it. In game it doesn't matter, if you're watching someone play you don't automatically know what's going on.

How long before they give Sombra Reaper Widow and Doomfist their own Overwatch:Uprising style event?

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>>383715303
Soon seeing how nearly every bit of development is spent on temporary lootbox events

>>383715195
Oooh.
I'll shut my mouth. Sorry.

>>383715154
Huh, better tell everyone I know who's ever watched one without being a pro to stop enjoying it. Better kick those damn kids out of the arcade for watching over shoulders too.

You don't need to know that to enjoy it. A lot of people just enjoy watching it with a limited knowledge. Knowing the button presses for each combo doesn't make them more fun to watch. Back when it was new a lot of people I know watched SaltyBet and there is almost nothing you could be expected to know going into it.

>>383714769
These are all things you people asked for. You literally all demanded Winston and Dva buffs. You got exactly what you wanted.

>>383715632
Maybe the devs and the most vocal players are both idiots?

>>383707617
I'm pretty sure a good number of Dota 2 players could retire off their earnings, it's just that all they'd do if they retired was play Dota all day anyways so they don't bother.

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OW maps suck dick, it's like they took Dustbowl from TF2 and based every map off of that

>Overwatch
>eSports
>Overwatch eSports

>>383715154
I dunno, it's pretty easy to understand one guy beating the shit out of another guy, or to get excited when both players are low. They might not understand all the high level shit happening but remember that people find Transformers movies good enough to go watch purely because giant robots punch each other and explode.

>>383715714
>everyone is an idiot but me
Gotcha

>>383716192
Actually if you look at watchpoint there's a ton of parts in it that are almost identical to parts on TF2 payload maps. I mean seriously just look at Barnblitz and tell me the second to last checkpoint was not ripped wholesale from it. The starting area is basically ripped straight from the final checkpoint of Swiftwater too.

>>383716501
But then why is Barnblitz so much more fun than it?

>>383716595
First of all because TF2 is the better game.

Secondly because barnblitz was actually designed for the game it's in and not stitched together from things taken from a different game.

>>383716751
>First of all because TF2 is the better game.
OW does have some things better than TF2. They have physics props you can mess around with in spawn for the ADD folk, and the PvE isn't as big a mess (but that's partially because it's dumbed down).

>unwatchable visual lightshow clusterfuck with 1/3 of the depth of any other esport
As someone who actually has experience watching different Esports unlike the hipsters here on /v/, this game is actually just awful as a spectator esport.

Regardless of OW itself and "lol esports," this is actually an interesting development to watch because of how Blizzard is doing things. A lot of endemic teams have been dropping from Overwatch in the recent weeks, mainly because of Blizzard's lack of transparency around the league. Couple that with extremely high price slots (estimated around $20 million), that keeps the majority of endemic teams out. It's interesting that they're trying to set up city-based teams like traditional sports, but given that OW contenders only got 320,000 total hours on Twitch, this league is looking shaky. That's not even in the top 5 games watched. From a business standpoint, and also the standpoint of whether or not esports can succeed in such a format, is pretty neat whether you actually give a fuck about esports, OW, or not.

>>383716914
That's true I guess. I wouldn't say the gameplay is as good though, even after the last few years of TF2 updates.

Lucio is pretty neat from a movement perspective though. Such a shame they decided to waste that on an aura bot who has to sit in the middle of his team to do shit instead of a character who could actually use it offensively.

>>383717089
The gameplay is definitely worse than TF2.

>>383715632
I actually went back and checked, it turns out nobody asked for Defense Matrix to have its single weaknesses removed, they just randomly did it one patch because ONE player complained they couldn't defense matrix someone who got road hog hooked.

TF2 was such a better game.

>have to pay several hundred thousand dollars to have your team eligible for entry into the main tournaments
nooooooooooooope. That's why half of the major esports organizations dropped right the fuck out of that shit after a single term.

>>383717220
While I agree, don't forget that right now the team in charge of tf2 is buffing and nerfing shit based solely on usage statistics regardless of context.

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>remove visible healthbars
>have limited ammo

There I fixed OW.

>>383717089
>aura bot who has to sit in the middle of his team
>can't use Lucio's movement offensively
Stop playing in bronze. Lucio can be extremely offensive, which is what makes him good in dive; you've got 6-second rollouts from spawn to bridge in places like Lijiang and can harass the fuck out of the enemy team.

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>>383717045
Would be interesting to see how they spun the low amount of esports viewership while asking for $20m

>>383712304
What's your university that it has an Overwatch team?

>>383717491
Would love to see limited ammo, but it'd probably suck ass.

>>383717491
You made CoD but with characters instead of generic soldier guys and killstreaks every 5 seconds. Sounds like fun, actually.

>>383702717
GW2

>>383717220
>one player asked for it
This is false and attempting to rewrite what sentiment was around Dva at the time. That Dva "buff" was a bug fix that wasn't intended; prior to that, Dva wasn't used because she wasn't as powerful, and many people were actually calling for her to be buffed. The only change that made her so viable now was correcting an unintended issue. There wasn't "one player" who complained about Hog. Stop making shit up.

>>383717503
>he thinks harassment is offensive

I'm laughin' m8. In this kind of game an offensive character is one who goes in on the attack looking for picks, not charges in with the rest of the team during a teamfight or tries to do chip without leaving safety.

>>383717338
Millions. Not several hundred thousands. Blizzard was reportedly asking for $20 million in franchise fees. On top of that, profit-sharing for teams wasn't guaranteed until 2021, and only if specific criteria were hit. Compare this to League of Legends, where a spot in LCS costs $1.8 million.

>>383717948
>Compare this to League of Legends, where a spot in LCS costs $1.8 million.
And how does their profit sharing work?

>>383717948
I figured the $20m was for direct purchased spots in major tournaments, not entry to the league itself.
That'd be... Jesus, really bad.
>>383718089
It's a pool. there's not much profit sharing, but at the same time they allow companies to use their branding for merch with the team names as well.

>>383717757
>offensive characters don't charge in with the rest of the team
>go around looking for picks without safety
Yeah, I can definitely see you've been spending time at the beach this summer, because you're bronze as fuck. You're talking about less than a handful of highly-mobile characters that can would even attempt to extend like that; and even then it's risky to attempt. Enjoy that 1500 SR life.

Overwatch gay

>>383698756
The netcode is so shit that i think this game might be dead a month after release if nothing changes.

>>383718308
I'm not talking about overwatch because it's a shit fucking game dude. I'm talking about what would constitute an offensive character in an actually good game.

Of course nobody in overwatch is offensive. Everyone is slow as shit with no ways to move and teams are full of high HP and always bunched up behind chokepoints with no good flanks and 2 healers shoved up their ass. It makes more sense to jack off while spamming harass to build ult then hope your team fucks up less than theirs in the teamfight.

>>383699607
>characters having different HP and armor pools, ults, abilities, movement speed and hitbox sizes
>not class based
Are you retarded?

>>383718643
So your initial argument was that you wished for Lucio to not be a stationary heal/speed bot who can't be offensive, and when corrected that Lucio CAN be offensive, you argue semantics over what "offensive" actually means and then say, "I'm not talking about Overwatch, obviously!"

Okay.

>>383718830
It's technically "character based", but it's the same thing with just a different name

>>383714586
Less than 15% of the weapons are banned, and every class has a limit of 2 except for demo, which is completely reasonable

Please do research before talking

>>383718643
>"in overwatch, blah blah"
>"in this kind of game, blah blah"
>"but in overwatch, blah blah, also u bad"
>"i'm not talking about overwatch!"
You two are having a weird argument here.

>>383718873
No, lucio isn't be offensive you drooling retard, because not only does overwatch have virtually no offensive characters, but even for a character in overwatch his kit lacks any of the things required to function offensively and blizzard has nerfed his ability to be offensive.

Maybe in the land of garbage fps where you live hopping around territory controlled by your team spamming low damage attacks then pressing q when fights start counts as offensive but in that case you're just fucking retarded.

>>383718981
Yeah. Classes and champions are literally the same thing with a different coat of paint. Actually maybe champions/heroes are even worse because of their tendency to have ults - which classes in TF2/TFC/QWTF don't have for example.

>>383697817

i do only with dota and its because the pattle pass and csgo for the souvenirs.

>>383698908
If nothing else, it still feels like Quake. In fact, the different characters having different movement types is a nice way of including every movement style from other Quake games; Slash has Q4 sliding, Anarki has CPMA movement. The issue people seem to have with the different "classes" is the fact that stacks result in different totals, but I don't think that will break the game for most people. A lot of old hands from Quake have been coming back and have had no problems with it.

It still feels like Quake, which is pretty impressive. The only thing they really need to focus on is improving the netcode and matchmaker. (But at least we're getting a server browser so the latter doesn't matter as much, thank fucking god.)

>>383719465
I've been watching streams from the old quake pros like rapha and such and last I checked they all seemed to agree that the stacks are fucked up and causes players to have way too little health and armor to be aggressive so everyone just plays ratmode with a railgun cause the rail is op with smaller average stacks.

>>383719190
If you think Overwatch is a garbage FPS--which I'm not making bones about one way or another--why do you actually care what Lucio's kit is, or about his movement? If you are also of the opinion that NOBODY in Overwatch is offensive, then why was your initial comment, "Lucio is pretty neat from a movement perspective...such a shame he can't actually use it offensively." You're implying in one post that characters are able to act offensively in Overwatch, and yet in subsequent posts go on to say that no one in Overwatch is an offensive character.

>>383719170
I seriously have no idea what this guy is arguing for either, anymore.

>>383719820
Which is interesting because a lot of people have been playing offensively with some of the lower-health characters. In duels, Nyx is almost a must-pick because of ghostwalk.

Also Rapha plays defensively a lot of times anyway. Look at his match vs. Stermie in QL where he runs away for nearly the entire match.

>>383698908
>bethesda launcher
no thanks

Just tried to install it. Why can't they put this stuff on Steam? Or at least one of the half dozen existing launchers I already had that actually work.

Oh, right, it was so they could auto opt-in me to more targeted ads.

>>383720308
They are putting it on Steam. Confirmed in one of the weekly dev Q&A threads on their forums. I think they realized the Bethesda launcher is shit, too, and won't bring in nearly as many people as Steam will.

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>remove 2cp and all traces of it from the games files
there I fixed overwatch

>>383720443
Yeah, but that's for release, right? I grabbed a beta code to try it out and it won't even install but their stupid UI doesn't say that there's a problem or what it is.

>>383719245
>>383718830
>>383698908
I bet you aren't even playing quake and just whining for the sake of whining like a fucking /v/tard.
Even in beta QC feels awesome to play and tournaments are fucking spectacular.

I still play CPMA more as a main game though. I miss CPMA movement, vanilla duels and framerate.

>>383720568
>characters are functionally the same as classes
>whining

>>383720553
Yeah, for release. You're not the first person to have problems running/installing from the launcher though. They need to get their shit together.

>>383720568
>I miss CPMA movement
Hello, fellow Anarki player.

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>>383717747
Wrong kiddo

>That said, there is a change coming to defense matrix next patch that you guys might be interested in. Currently on live, defense matrix wont block shots until they are a very small distance away from the muzzle of the gun that shot them. Generally speaking players wont notice this effect, but it matters a lot in certain situations, such as blocking an ally from getting killed by a roadhog hook combo.

This game is a joke, balanced by morons.

>>383697832
Fucking what? 20mil???!?!?!!!??

>>383720553
Oh, the launcher actually worked the moment I posted that. Now I just have to deal with the download speed being a tiny fraction of Steam's.

>>383720640
>b-b-but it's not like q3
>m-muh equal footing
i've seen oh so much retards who say this and not even play the fucking game

>>383720745
*flips table*

>>383720089
I think ghostwalk is the only reason for that, it just enhances someone's ability to rat around the map and is a get out of jail free card if you get surprised.
>>383720568
Cool it Todd.

>>383720823
Blizzard going straight for the big money when the game struggles to be top 5 in esports on twitch.

>>383720981
Clutch shit on Nyx 80% of the time

I've actually seen only one good Clutch player on tournament. Everyone else just avoid him like a plague.

>>383720767
>wrong kiddo
>posts image to prove my point
It's been explained that the invulnerability range directly in front of the muzzle wasn't intended, and the change to defense matrix was a fix. Which is exactly what I said. Thanks for going out of your way to find and post the proof, bud.

>>383720823
>According to anonymous sources speaking to ESPN, Blizzard is asking a whopping $20 million franchise fee to buy into Overwatch League – and that’s just the minimum price. Bigger markets like New York and LA are looking at footing an even larger bill.
>That may not seem much in comparison with traditional sports leagues like the NBA or MBL, but it’s higher than competing products. League of Legends, probably the most successful western esports scene, offers team franchises for $1.8 million.
>Moreover, the report claims Overwatch League won’t guarantee revenue sharing until after 2021 – and even then, only if Blizzard hits its financial targets, which were not disclosed.
https://www.vg247.com/2017/05/12/an-overwatch-league-team-franchise-will-cost-you-20-million-and-you-wont-make-money-for-four-years-rumour/

>>383721129
If it worked, it would've been a great windfall. Fortunately, no one was dumb enough to fall for that.

>>383721210
aint that retarded

>>383697278
>Overwatch
>E-Sport

>>383720981
Yeah, that's true.

>>383721152
We'll probably start seeing more Clutch 2.0 players. Fucker has crazy movement now. I still can't figure out what use his mining laser is, though.

sad thing is
because asian overwatch community is really big
it will work out in the end
much like league of lesbians

for some reason koreans like to play shit games

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https://clips.twitch
.tv/MoldyGleamingPeafowlYee

>person gets on the point
>doesn't count them as contesting
>blizzard is asking $20m for a spot to play this game

>>383697278
>E-sports are doing extremely well with League, Dota 2 and CS:GO
>OW scene is dying

Mmm...

>>383721458
yeah just like Starcraft 2,right?

>>383721447
>Fucker has crazy movement now.
Yeah. The only problem is that you have to play piano solo on keyboard to move like that.

>>383721458
$20 million is 23 billion won. That sounds like a lot for Koreans.

>>383717089
look up dsptanky lucio's plays.

>>383721129
This is always going to be the biggest impediment to having esports become as big as traditional sports: enough people have to give a shit about a single game to make it viable to watch. League could do it. Overwatch, though...eh. I don't think the majority of their community actually gives a shit about esports; I think they just want to make porn and be terrible at the game. It's not even really fun to watch as an esport.

>>383697278
>24 tick hate
>gigantic hitboxes
>unbalanced to the core

>>383718643
>Everyone is slow as shit with no ways to move
nigga they just added Doomfist

>>383697537
>laughing out out out out out loud

What did you meant by this?

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>>383721458
Even the Koreans are starting to get fed up with the game. The "coach" for the best team in the world talked quite a bit about how Blizzard is fucking it up again.

>>383721930
They're going to nerf his movement before he gets out of PTR, just wait.

>>383698908
What, you don't like NTF?

>>383721930
doomfist is fun. That means hes going to get nerfed

>>383722049
they already did
he still can get halfway through the map with one combo
you would know this if you played the game
try again

>>383721994
I don't even know how the fuck you can do research on any competitive gaming scene in the past two decades, see how they form from community involvement and self-organization, and then decide to say, "Fuck that, you want to get people excited to compete in this game we made? You're gonna play by OUR rules, or you don't do it at all."

>>383722261
>implying I'm going to stick around playing on PTR for the chance at playing Doomfist in QP with a bunch of silver shitters
>implying I'm going to keep playing Doomfist elimination mode just to see every minute change they make

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>>383722576
>implying I have ptr installed
just look at the patchnotes or look up one in the thousands of autists screaming about it in youtube

>>383722380
They're a special kind of incompetent. They alternate between making amazing stuff and fucking it up entirely.

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>>383722380
Afraid of even the most minute thing not being under their control. Probably still upset about dota and all that shit that went with it.

>>383723735
Yeah, how dare they enjoy something!

On a scale from 1-10 how balanced is Overwatch currently? I don't follow the scene, or even bought OW before. However, a fuck ton of my friends play the game, and while they rage and complain a lot, they still keep on playing the game. I don't get it.

>>383724097
Yes, people who enjoy things you don't like should die!

>>383724296
Yes, such a shitty little brat for finding some way to make him and his old man bond over something when they were bored. Truly, the worst of humanity ever.

>>383698032
reality is fucking gay
why do you think i play vidya

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>>383724097
>watching a TV run
>promoting the electric jew
good goy

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>>383697278
>OW competitive scene already DOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkg21XFtJ2U

>a game in which a character can instantly resurrect all of her teammates in full hp with the click of a single button
>competitive
yeah no

>>383722964
>Who would win?
>A Multi-million dollar Game Developing Company
>A fucking Frog.

>>383722964
If only they'd learn the lesson from this that if they add modding, players will make the game more fun for them.

>>383724772

How is mercy even a thing

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>>383724772
Mercy's a shit character and if you try to res without some kinda of advantage - I.E if your team lost the fight without killing anyone - then you're just gonna get wiped a second time nine times out of ten.

Literally the only reason anyone ever plays Mercy in comp is because blizzard decided to give bonus SR for winning as a "non-meta" hero. Meaning that gold players get to wind up 2000 SR higher than they should be all the way in GM by maintaining a 50% winrate on a hero that has legitimately zero influence on whether their team wins or loses the game.

>>383725659
>Literally the only reason anyone ever plays Mercy in comp is because blizzard decided to give bonus SR for winning as a "non-meta" hero. Meaning that gold players get to wind up 2000 SR higher than they should be all the way in GM by maintaining a 50% winrate on a hero that has legitimately zero influence on whether their team wins or loses the game.
This is a brilliant idea.

>>383725659
>I.E if your team lost the fight without killing anyone - then you're just gonna get wiped a second time

wrong
u wasted all your ultis the first time around and the time of respawning is too little to position correctly again

>>383725864
>u wasted all your ultis the first time around
Good players usually stagger their ults. Meaning that if the team nanovisors they'll still have grav, dragon blade and sound barrier to rewipe the equally out of position respawning people.

>>383697537
2pbp

>>383706813
>has 10 characters
Try 24.
25 with Doomfist.

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>>383725606
muh new engine

>>383707617
lol? the top earners are dota players you fucking idiot

>>383726141
And by the time competitive teams get a profit share, it'll be 27!

>>383726178
>We love the concept of giving players modding tools, but not enough to actually make it happen even though we're willing to give them the worst modding tools in the industry.

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>incredibly expensive buy-in for orgs
>no guarantee to get a return on that investment
>less viewers than solo LoL twitch streamers
>Meta already stale

And Activision said this would be the new NFL, what a joke.

>>383725659
>Literally the only reason anyone ever plays Mercy in comp is because blizzard decided to give bonus SR for winning as a "non-meta" hero.
Unless this is very recent this is objectively wrong. I went full Torb and went 6-4/7-3 in placements in S4 (not sure if that's still going or not) and ended up with 2.1k. The previous season I was 1-9 in placements and ended at 2.9k. Doing better (I actually top damaged and/or top fragged in almost every match as well) literally made me lose 800 elo all because I played Torb fulltime.

LMAO @ all you clueless casual babbies here trying to talk about overwatch. Just shut the fuck up and learn.

Overwatch has died. Esports overwatch has completely died.

Some months ago player statistics were leaked. Europe has 50k~ players online at peak times (on all platforms), NA had 70k, rest less than 30k combined. A few months later it is probably less than 100k worldwide peak all platforms. The quick play queue times are evident of this, taking between 5 to 10 minutes for a match that isn't even balanced at all.

Blizzard released their most hyped hero so far, but somehow it is the hero everyone gives the least shit about. Nobody cares about doomfist, not even reddit.

Blizzard has refused to implement the least basic shit necessary for esports and customization players have wanted for two years. After two years we get a decent highlight thing (when what we need is full dota 2 like replays) and fucking CROSS HAIR CUSTOMIZATION.

IT TOOK THEM THREE OR MORE YEARS TO IMPLEMENT CROSS HAIR CUSTOMIZATION

The balance is incredibly bad. Recently the lead developer and designer posted a huge post about his thoughts on this, and it really really showed that he is not fit for this work and really showed his old person thinking, comparing real life sports to the game as if that relates whatsoever. There were many weird points made that didn't make sense or was just objectively bad game design

The map design is also terrible and one of the most hated aspects of the game between overwatch ""pros"", especially 2cp maps.

There was a recent Overwatch League leak that showed some details and stats, and it further proved that this is going to be a huge fluke and the final nail in the coffin for overwatch.

It's over

>>383728114
>Some months ago player statistics were leaked
Link?

>>383698032
here's one good reason

the game doesn't have any kind of spectator ui, it lacks the functions needed to make the game readable for newer players or people casually watching. Blizzard claims they're working on making one, but they've been saying that since the game released.

Also, when the overwatch league was announced TSM, RR, Denial, Complexity and Splyce all announced they were dropping their teams.

>>383728336
it was posted on the subreddit(s) but of course as the main sub is paid by blizzard it was deleted and any mention of it was too
ask in the vg owg thread

>>383728420
They should really make the spectator mode just show SFM porn. It would be more popular.

>>383720308
launcher uninstalls the game everytime i close it. i cant play until this comes out on Steam

>>383728494
>it was just a meme
You let me down.

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>>383724482

>>383728812
You're probably better off just letting it uninstall. It's like Quake but sometimes there's more bullshit that isn't really fun, but you spend a lot longer staring at loading screens. The abilities seem like a worthless addition to me, since I never once died to one or got a kill with them besides BJ's. There also seems to be no attempt at matchmaking, which I could get joining random Q3 servers.

>>383728925
I wouldn't be surprised if it was true. Blizzard doesn't give out player stats for a reason.

>>383701956
I don't know it if mattered much because SC2 as a competitive video game is just awful

WoL was decent but it was all downhill from here with balance patches that constantly fuck over everything

>>383730615
It did matter. SC1 was only big because other people set up tournaments and eventually made good ladder software.

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I can't wait to wake up one morning to see Overwatch's pro scene has fucking died

>>383731076
Have you not woken up for a while?

>>383731076
it died last week
keep it up grandpa

>>383730854
SC1 was only big in Korea. SC2 never took off in Korea because they didn't like the gameplay. Everyone was basically still playing SC1. Blizzard is just trying to get some brood war money from Korea with remastered now. Even if you have a structured scene you still have to get people to play the game

>>383731168
rip

anyone excited to see the csgo major?

>>383697278
this so pathetic

>>383734241
What did you expect?

Competitive Overwatch is easily the most boring thing I've seen on Twitch. How did they manage to make something more boring than Memestone?

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Competitive overwatch is kind of okay to watch if the hosts are showing *pro* mccree or tracer players point of view

>>383698124
>tanks and defense unfun to play

I agree with the other shit, but you're just being a retarded opinionbabby here

>>383721562
holy shit im mad. Getting fucked my blizzards shitty programming

>>383728114
Meanwhile the doomfist reveal video ha like, six million views. I refuse to believe it's only 70k.

>>383707617

Have you ever looked at the salaries of the top LoL steamers?

Qtpie is a multimillionaire and he's hardly alone.

isn't overwatch incredibly boring to watch?

>>383736683
it's also incredibly boring to play

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>>383736182
online at peak times vs. actual number of players that log on in a week / month

Either way sounds like time to make Overwatch free to play and just add in some special costumes or whatever for people who paid for the game

The real problem is competitive esports in general. Its a game, play it and have fun. Stop trying to make everything the next nfl.

E-SPORTS are a sham because every game that comes out tries to be one. You can't have a metric fuckton of games all claiming to be their own sport at the rate they're released, or rather you can't have a metric fuckton of SUCCESSFUL ones.

>>383737426
e-sports already has a fairly small viewerbase and the pros / viewership of each game only gets spread more thin with every flavor of the year game released. Then there's having a harder time growing the viewership amongst normies because they laugh and make a mockery at the idea of caring about a bunch of pasty nerds playing video games well. Seeing the player roster introductions at any esports event where it shows them with their arms crossed and trying to make an intimidating facial expression is such a joke

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>tfw happy enough for Blizzard's renewed esports shit because of the Mythic+ tournament

>>383737426
Aside from MOBAs and CSGO, Street Fighter and CoD seem to be the most successful.

Then you have scenarios like Halo where they made it "professional" long after the series enjoyed its peak popularity where it just fizzles out and nobody cares, or Battleborn where the game tanked so there aren't enough players to even have a tournament

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>>383731076
Overwatch league... I'll put an end to your sad story.

>>383719076
Yeah, no you're a falseflagging dumbass. You didn't even play comp tf2

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>>383697278
> OW E-sports rakes in no fucking money whatsoever, because viewership is shit and the game is designed for and around the lowest common denominator
> The dumb kikes who invested in this in the first place lose their 20 million
> E-sports become universally viewed as a shitty investment, even for "pros" who will retire at 30 into working a shitty minimum wage job
> All enthusiasm for e-sports shit dries up and scenes everywhere die

> Tryharding and elitism ceases to exist
> Streaming shrinks dramatically
> "virtual economies" decline due to ties with E-Sports shit
> Blizzard takes a shotgun shell to the nuts
> Valve starts to make games again since they can't milk CS and DOTA anymore
> Companies everywhere stop pumping out forced "competitive" MOBA/FPS shit and start creating original and creative multiplayer experiences
> A huge portion of the industry's cancer dies overnight

Fingers crossed.

>>383738429
kek

>>383738948
m8 overwatch killing itself isn't going to cause any problems for Valve.

>>383740397
They're pouring fucktons of money into this and flaunting it as the final stage of E-sport's "evolution". The part where E-sports are shown on bar TV's alongside baseball and football.

This shit is going to flop, and it's going to fuck every other e-sports scene in the industry to some degree.

>>383740926
>The part where E-sports are shown on bar TV's alongside baseball and football.

That's the dream of every esport, and they always flop there. Even Dota 2 had one of its TIs broadcast on one of the legitimate ESPN channels where it was laughed at as nerd shit.

Blizzard making a fool out of themselves (again) won't help with that, but that's literally a non issue because esports makes its money through brand recognition and pushing merchandise. And in that regard Valve is only continuing to excel, and will continue to do so no matter how much Overwatch flops.

>>383700056
>amazing skill, that is completly useless once you're forced to retire due to age
So the same as for any other sport?

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>blizzshit esports

HA
H
AH
AH
AHAHAHAH
AHAH

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Get the FUCK OUT of here blizz shills

>>383743217
that prize pool list is out of date

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>>383697278
>20 million to just dollars for a video game """""sports"""" league

>it probably costs less to enter and operate a professional racing team of similar size for half a decade than just to enter a video game league

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>>383707617
wrong

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>>383697278
>esports
as if that filth couldn't get anymore cancerous that it already was

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>>383743217
>twenty mil for a shitty MOBA
nigga what

>>383744130
I think the price to entering a NBA team is 300 million, and some teams have been boughts by the billions, that's why there are lot sof NBA teams owning teams in League, 20 million is pocket money to them

My point being, League's price for a spot is 10 million while they have been the most watched e-sport for like 6 years, they have a reason to charge, Blizzard's league is new and doesn't have anything to show investors that will return revenue or if it could, OW numbers are much lower than league

>>383744130
15 million is probably advertising

esport was fun while it was underground or less popular like back in WCG times or even nineties
Now it's just stupid business and i don't want to do anything with it.
I'd still attend a small lan tournament for old games like cs 1.6. I don't really care about winning lots of money and nobody really cared about it ever until recently.