Why pirates ruined thr video game industry

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>>383696012
>always online connections, like MMOs are

>>383696012
I bet you've pirated music, movies or TV shows before.

>>383696012
It's not stealing Shlomo.

>>383696012
>denuvo got fucked so the good times ended
>implying anyone will miss denuvo

2/10

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>>383696012
>going to just keep pirating
>will play MMOs on pirate servers
>steal consoles from the backpacks of dumb college kids who leave them alone in the library
>hack them
>every game ever totally free
Only game I'm buying this generation is splatoon 2 to play on my "free" switch kek.

>>383696319

>It's not stealing

No its way worse. So imagine you invested your savings into making a game. You sell it on steam, then some asshole chooses not to buy your product and just copies it and he now plays your game for free.

Wouldn't like that now would you?

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>>383696012

>>383696520
Don't give a fuck to be honest.

>>383696579
Pretty accurate

>>383696406
Damn dude that's some beyond nigger-tier shit, I mean most of the time they aren't stealing to actually play whatever they took, they just sell it.

>>383696406
I like you for some reason. Fuck the system.

>>383696579
>>383696012
When did this place got swarmed by moralfags?

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>>383696012
I hate faggots like you
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-02/europe/30466752_1_downloading-swiss-government-copyright
http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/Another-view-of-game-piracy
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6343451/56-of-console-gamers-dont-pay-for-games-study?sid=6343451
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/05/file-sharers-are-content-industrys-largest-customers.ars
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32341/Amnesia_The_Dark_Descent_Sells_200K_Developer_Lauds_PC_As_A
_Growing_Platform.php
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/10/dodgy-digits-behind-the-war-on-piracy.ars
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-01-pc-gaming-is-growing-everywhere
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/01/pc-is-strong-pc-games-revenue-up-20/
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/oops-mpaa-admits-college-piracy-numbers-grossly-infl
ated.ars
http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10423.pdf
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/eng/h_ip01456.html
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2010/04/19/hear-that-knocking-sound-its-pc-gaming/
http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/884/884757p1.html
http://www.devicemag.com/2011/02/03/steams-1-billion-sales-in-2010/
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/study-claims-pc-market-largest
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.262501-Steam-Flirts-With-1-Billion-in-2010
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/npd-four-per-cent-of-us-gamers-admit-to-piracy
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8354166.stm
http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-research-p2p-filesharing-no-barrier-to-music-sales/
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/code-not-physical-property/

I don't just think piracy is okay, I think it's morally right.
The culture of piracy has been one of the main factors when it comes to keeping the internet and software free and open for the entire world.

That's about to end, but we had a good run.
Thanks, Piratebay

>>383696012
shitty devs either no-skilled indie hacks or overconfident AAA devs and bloated marketing did much more harm than pirating

case in point why there's rarely any demos anymore

>>383696520
You don't "choose not to buy", you specifically choose to buy. The former is the default state.

>>383696012
>pirate games
>nobody cares
>pirate music/TV/movies
>get threatening letters in the mail and get sued by mega companies
Why is there such a huge difference?

>>383696817
Don't you mean fuck people who buy things, the system still got their money

>>383697027
>get threatening letters in the mail and get sued by mega companies
That shit only happens in retarded countries, the same type of countries that have data caps on home internet

>>383696868
Pretty sure it's a shill not a moralfag

I consider piracy justified under a few conditions:

>deliberately refuse to resell game, it's been out of print for decades, so emulation is the only way to even experience it (since third party resellers deliberately make copies of games, so they're not even legitimate and could also be considered fraudulent)
>I already bought the game, and I'm not rebuying it just because you told me you deserve the money

Any other condition, I can't say I can justify it. And so I avoid all of it. If I may be super-specific here, if I loyally support your game, and you refuse to even release the sequel state-side, and then you have the balls to stop selling it period? What do you want me to do? You spat in my face as a paying customer.

>>383696579
Except pirates are responsible for drm in vidya. Anime, music, movies don't have drm.

But piratenibbers wont tell anyone that

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>>383696012
>Then Denuvo fucked all the pirates while not hurting paying customers
stopped reading there

>>383697357
Weak bait

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>>383696012
>Buy a $59.99 game digitally
>It's $20 more than the physical version on Amazon
>It's tied to a single account, that is subject to being banned due to online whiners
Pirate filth is no excuse for limiting/hurting customers.

>>383696873
Shit I should sell my 300 floppies if pirated games if they're worth that much

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Assuming net neutrality dies the plan is to pirate even more than ever if we're paying a premium to access certain sites.

Gotta' get your money's worth

>>383697302
This is why I pirate all Atlus games desu. Being a europoor Trauma Centerfag was suffering

>>383696868
Brand shilling

>>383697357
>DRM in anime and music
How the fuck does that work?

>>383697397
t. degenerate thief and liar.

Don't you have some malware toolbars to distribute?

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>>383696012

>travel around the country a lot
>sometimes have a sudden urge to play one of my old games, but my disc is at home miles away
>download an ISO so I can play it anyway

>>383697559
Ask Apple

piracy is illegal but it's not enforced to a point where people feel afraid. And why is that? Because it's not worth it for a company to go after individual consumers for the cost of games they've downloaded, especially in the current times where you can't justifiably say that someone pirating an NES game was a direct lost sale. You can argue that modern games will directly be lost sales (you'll be wrong but you can argue it), and companies try to find that one s ucker that will fight them in court to make an example of them. But generally people will just quietly take the C&D from their ISP and that'll be it, if there's any repercussion at all.

It's really an interesting thing. It's the same thing for music and movies. the MPAA tries a lot harder to claim a single person torrenting a movie is direct correlation to tens of thousands of potential ticket sales, and usually they win those lawsuits, it's retarded. Music has become a totally lost cause with music streaming, it's impossible to really even find people who pirate music with the amount of ways to listen to it through streaming.

>>383697302
Also if the game is an incompetently ported one like dark souls.

>>383697407
>make indie game
>put it on 1000 CDs and post them through random letterboxes
>sue 1000 of those households for $2000 each for illegally owning my game

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>he thinks Denuvo helps

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>>383697696

Reminder piracy is benefitial.

>I want to play game X but not enough to actually pay for it
Without piracy:
>Oh well, shucks.
With piracy:
>Hey this game is actually really good, I'll buy it afterall
OR
>Well this game is fun, I'll tell other people to check it out

Which of these outcomes is better for the industry?

>>383697814
Inb4
>But pirates never end up buying games!!!

>>383697814
Can only recall a handful scenarios where the game was liked enough to support

>>383697869
I'm a pirate and have never actually paid for games in the end, but I have shilled countless pirated games on /v/ or with friends. Free advertising is better than nothing.

>>383696012
its no piracy as you dont steal it you just make a copy, when i steal the master copy i am no a pirate but a thief, expect I have a sail ship a crew and a parrot and a eye patch and take your master copy of the game and put it in a trunk and hide it somewhere.

>>383697559
Sony installed a rootkit on your computer when you put a cd in to make sure to music was legitimate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

>>383696868
it didn't, it's 99% contrarians shitposting, just like this thread.

>>383696012
>always online connections
It already happened and it failed hard.

>>383696012
Piracy benefits devs retard.

>>383697589
That's not piracy, that's making a backup of a legally owned product. Same with old SNES and such roms. If you own the game, it's totally legal for you to download roms and isos.

>>383697696
owning pirated material isn't illegal. It's all about production, distribution, and sale.

>>383696012
This, if it wasn't for pirates all games would be DRM-free now

>>383698104

But without the pirates, where would I get the ISOs? They're doing me a service by uploading them.

>>383697917
And without piracy, that handful would have been 0.

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>>383697814
>>Hey this game is actually really good, I'll buy it afterall

This happened to me with pic related.

>>383698104
Boy, good thing I (((own))) every game ever made

Consumers who bend over to devs who fuck them for generations are to blame for what haooened to vidya, not pirates.

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As a thought -- there have been games that have been 'pro' piracy and allow piracy to happen for their game. They feel that that is self promotion. As a result games like Witcher 3 received more sales just by word of mouth. People who have the money will pay for a game and resist piracy or even respect a developer by paying for a game.

I know how to pirate any game just fine and I don't do so for most. It's company like EA and these other giant companies who consider piracy a blight. They count the number of pirated games and look at it like these are all potential customers they're losing.

No sir. They have already lost those customers. Or you are charging too much. No way piracy should be illegal and to say it should be legal is to circumvent the ability to pass information freely through the internet. DRM and other programs are programs that deny your internet freedoms and we should fight it if we can.

>>383696406
>steal consoles from the backpacks of dumb college kids who leave them alone in the library
what kind of faggot brings his console to the library my african american friend?

>>383698193
They're allowed to share copies of their own legally owned and produced backups with other people in the same situation. It's like how a library works.

>>383698269
Dumb college kids.

>>383696012
>Denuvo fucked all the pirates while not hurting paying customers
>while not hurting paying customers

If piracy hurts publishers/vidya how come GOG is still alive? shouldn't everyone have their non-DRM'd games already?

>>383698359
yeah i got that, i just don't get why you would take a fucking console with you, it's not like you can play it on the go

>>383696520

He couldn't afford my game in the first place and if my game is not shit he will buy it later. Your game is unpirateable? boo fucking hoo, there are thousands of better games

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>>383698015
>look down the page
>sony themselves violated multiple copyrights with the open source software they used

BUT COPYRIGHT IS IMPORTANT, RIGHT GUYS?

>>383698486
Because Youtube loves switch and you're cool if you're seen with one
>people actually think this

>>383698486
I mean like 3DS/Switch

What is there even to play on the other consoles? Bloodborne?

>>383696012
Why are games the only medium that thinks 60$ base price is acceptable? Don't give me the time played for dollar bullshit, its about costs, making a movie or an album costs as much as a game, yet they don't charge you anywhere near as much.

More to the point every industry has to deal with piracy, yet apparently gaming is the only one literally dying from it. If games can't surive where they are now with piracy, like every other medium, then it deserves to fail.

>>383698567
You can't hack the switch, retarded nigger.

I probably would have dropped out of gaming a decade ago if I hadn't been able to offset the cost of the hobby with piracy, yet I've still spent a substantial amount in that period.

It's easier to stay interested when you have more options and not everything is an $80 gamble.

>>383698486
If they left it in their dorm room somebody else would steal it

>>383698260
Paradox games are DRM free and piracy basically entails a very basic steam spoof, but they're such jews it's kind of expected to pirate everything.

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>Want to replay an old game from 20-15 years ago
>can't find it on steam and even if it was steam gets 100% the cut from old games now but thats for another thread
>can't find it on gog either
>can barely find it on the internet
>only way i can replay that game was searcing on the pirate bay
>only 2 torrents and one worked
>the uploader is a fucking bastad with ahuge ego that force the game to be played trough his own custom menu

Guess the game.

Jaws unleashed
Now leaving the 2 last lines of greentext aside, how do YOU get to play old games?

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>>383698616
You can stop now.

>>383697357
lol. Just for anyone retarded enough to believe this retard, anime, music, and movies all have drm.

>>383696012
Good. I want the industry to fail. Triple A is triple gay.

>>383698757
How do you even get past old DRM like Starforce?
Virtual Machine?

>>383696520
>No its way worse
>proceeds to use an example that is actually way more lenient
good going
I know these threads are for funposting but at least try

>It's another piracy destroyed the industry that became the biggest entertainment industry beating movies and music by several hundred billions thread

>>383698616
>a 50 hour game should cost the same as a 2 hour movie

>>383698967
>50 hour game
HAH! That's some wishful thinking anon. You're lucky to get 5 hours out of modern games.

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>>383697869
I bought warband because that game was so damn great and it was also full of mods to choose, i pirated it first to try it on my toaster.

>>383697357
>DRM in music
Sony used to do that, didn't work well

>>383696012
>DRM is not bad
couldn't even make it past the first line without shooting yourself in the foot.

>>383698616
>albums
>being anywhere close to the budgets for AAA movies or games
what

>my unreal
>buy unreal tournament
>buy unreal 2
>but unreal tournament 2003
>buy unreal tournament 2004
>buy unreal tournament 3
>after all the feedback from the beta game was still shit and no worth playing for free
sure thing , we ruined gaming by supporting jews

>>383696012
yes its downloads and not on disk dlc, microtransaction, casual farmville oversaturation of medicraty, paint by numbers open world games, or games being made by people that dont know gaming payed buy people that dont know gamers, and people that keep bying this shit because of a marketing campaign that uses more talent effort and art then the game that they shill for.
yes piracy is ill that covers all.
piss off fuckknuckle

>>383699143
There are albums that have been worked on for over 10 years - the budget usually excludes the "working hours" of an artist.

>>383698967
If it cost the same to produce, why not?

>>383699436
>price is a function of cost

>>383698104
>spreading false bullshit
You are not allowed to make copies of the games you own. You are literally paying for that disc/cartridge. If you read the fine print on most video game discs it is clear that you're not allowed to make or sell copies of the game.

>>383696012
I'll raise you two situations, my man.

>I want to play Mass Effect: Andromeda because I liked Mass Effect before and surely it can't be this bad
>no demo because for some reason that's a dead practice
>pirate
>it's even worse than I thought
>if there had been a demo, the devs would never have seen my money anyways
>no harm done

>want to play Stardew Valley because I loved Harvest Moon and heard good things
>no demo or any kind of free experience
>pirate
>game is great, I learn more about it and find out it's a labor of love made by this one guy
>buy it

Now you're going to tell me I'm lying, because pirates don't buy games ever.

Don't worry fellow anons. I have a well paying job and buy games I never even have time to play, so it all evens out in the end.

>>383699436
They're both just offering entertainment and escapism, so if one gives that to you for longer it's worth more in that regard.

pirates are literally communists who believe everything should be available for everyone

>>383696868

SJWs have been invading the hobby for a while now.

>>383696012
oh

so music and movie pirating isn't ruining THEIR industries too? why aren't THEY complaining about pirates on /mu/ and /tv/?

and
ONCE AGAIN
let me state this:

pirate a game

buy a game

sell that game to someone else at a lower cost, 5/10$ less than retail


result?

you get game

other person gets cheaper game

you only spend 10%

game gets sold at retail, so game store AND pub/dev gets a sale


this is IRREFUTABLE. it helps everyone and you still get to pirate your game while spending next to nothing.

its my secret pirate trick that i've been doing for a good decade now. faggots!

SCREENCAP THIS SHIT, POST IT AGAINST THESE ANTI PIRATE FAGS!

>>383699689
do you buy a car without test driving it first?
Do you marry a woman without test fucking it first?
Why should I buy a game without trying it out first?

>>383699316
the budgets for games are entirely the working hours of the creators
albums being 'worked on' for 10 years doesnt mean the musician is working 40 hour weeks on the album

>>383699759
>Do you marry a woman without test fucking it first?
But that's a sin!

>>383696406
you hacked the PS4 and XB1?

>>383696012
>pirate game
>play it
>love it
>crack is shit, making me disable internet or some other bullshit
>buy game
It's almost like having hoops to jump through makes people go for the convient option.

>>383699816
They have no games

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>>383698616
I don't see this discussion going anywhere near productive or insightful, but here we go.


Were you alive/cognitive prior to the use of discs as a means to distribute games?
I remember paying $40-50 for NES games and damn near $80 for the SNES.
Don't remember which games, but there was a $100 N64 cartridge.

The $50 dollar range that most seem to recall so dearly was brought on by the use of discs.
Post saturation, some companies sought to get a bit more off the top at $60 and tried to justify it by referencing high cost development investment via triple-A games.

Some console gamers along with a large majority of PC players have moved on to digital distribution.
Publishers now defend the price tag by referencing platforms taking a percentage out of the sale for the hosting costs.

That's getting questionable now that most publishers have opted to use their own digital distribution system.
All in all, it's considered the norm and doesn't show signs of budging outside of indie games or triple-A titles that lack hefty content.

>>383699568
Price is half the reason for piracy

>>383698663
They literally just got the kernal, wait till Christmas.

>>383699873
YOU SAID YOU HACKED THE PS4 AND XB1, FAGGGGGGOT!

stop lying or i will fucking hunt you down

>>383698663
soon

>>383699883
nah

no N64 game hit $100, i know this because i was buying them at the time. unless you lived in a place that WASNT america, canadacuck

>>383696012
What about used games? The devs don't get a sale, I get a copy and I lose money. Used games are objectively worse than piracy, so why isn't that moralfagged over?

>>383699769
And high budgets for vidya don't mean that there was put more work into it because more than 50% is marketing budget nowadays.
The 60 dollar pricetag is about 40 dollars you pay for billboards and tv ads.

That's why in current year anti piracy shitters are especially rediclious since they are doing it for media that mostly sells on marketing buzz alone.

>>383699747
>so music and movie pirating isn't ruining THEIR industries too? why aren't THEY complaining about pirates on /mu/ and /tv/?
false equivalence
>pirate a game
>buy a game
pirates say that they'll buy the game if they personally believe it to be good enough for them if they feel like it, but that just mean that they won't purchase it at all
>sell that game to someone else at a lower cost, 5/10$ less than retail
video game stores pay the publishers money to get their hands on their games, the publishers will get statistics from them about how many actually bought their product, only ones affected by that is the store itself

>>383699883
Whats your point? Yeah games are sorta cheaper nowadays, but that doesn't justify their price, and like I said if you're gonna have such a high cost of entry then you'd have to be retarded to not expect rampant piracy.

>op weren't even born and I was pirating with floppy disks
>he grews up in his "golden days" and thinks everything was better; I was pirating meanwhile
>op is now an 'adult' and is mad with me pirating - I'm still pirating

>>383700213
It is. Publishers hate used software. They've tried to make it illegal multiple times. That's exactly why the subscription model exists.

>>383700213
the only thing used games let me do is try shit for 7 days. thank YOU gamestop!

GR wildlands is pretty damn boring and im glad i didn't play full, unable to return for full price, RETAIL costs.

>>383700265
>pirates say that they'll buy the game if they personally believe it to be good enough for them if they feel like it, but that just mean that they won't purchase it at all
nice try moralfag but pulling shit out your ass is impressing noone

>>383696012
Casual players shitty taste ruined the industry.

>>383696012
Try to stop me faggot lmao

>>383696520
I dont but you know what? You literally can't stop it. I've had people pirate my music. And they told me that exact same thing. I can't stop it. People will always do it.

>>383699883
I got nothing to ad anon, but during the cartridge era, their price was relative to the chipset used (some games used new or custom chipsets, Rare games on the N64 did so much that's why they're hard to emulate) and Nintendo's whims. As well PCB production being much more expensive back then.

Nowadays, as the cost of flash memory and optical storage has lowers, theorically games should be cheaper, but they've also become more expensive to make (I blame the western developer mostly, since they really love pushing for massive marketing and celebrity voices such as Patrick Stewart, hurting the actual game's budget), which bloats the price despite cheaper media.

That's what I think anyway.

>>383700301
At least there was some tenacity required to pirate a 30 disk game back in 1994

>>383697917
I pirated Binding of Isaac, Hotline miami 1 and 2, San Andreas, Alan Wake plus AN. All of which i own on Steam. Also, i liked Max Payne 1 and 2 so much that i bought MP3 (which fucking sucked)

>>383700213
Used sales really are the worst, and I'm not even being ironic

>>383700265
well, your wrong and you wasted all that post space telling me that your wrong.

everyone in this thread will back me up in that you are fucking wrong.

>inb4 flood of jokester poster "but you are wrong!"

>>383700349
look, i used to be a pirate myself, but back then i pirated a new game twice a week and played it to completion, and the only games that i actually bought after was hl2, portal and dark souls 1

>>383698015
>see also Spore (Video Game)
kek

>>383700284
You need to reread the last part of that post if you don't understand what the point is.

They aren't paying for physical costs whether it be the disc, case, or a manual.
RIP manuals

Point is, since you can't read, it's become accepted.

>>383700497
>reddit spacing
fuck off

>>383696012
>DRM is not bad
stopped reading there

>>383700550
>won't purchase it at all
>I bought [games]
which one is it?

>>383699812

It's okay, I'm not religious so no hell for me.

>>383700445
That's a pretty fair take on it.
The unions don't seem to help the matter.

>>383696012

>The future now is probably always online connections, like MMOs are

As opposed to massive multiplayer online games where you don't need to be online?

I wouldn't mind copy protection if they would use old fashioned dongles and not some semi rootkit feeding on your systems resources.

>>383700697
there were plenty of good games that i pirated, probably in the hundreds, but of those i only bought 3
like i pirated both mass effect games, and enjoyed them thoroughly, but then refused to buy them after 3 came out

>>383698762
>Over 20 people posted twice
>...or one person posted 26 times
Must be the latter.

>>383700550

>I'm humongous faggot so we must ban everything because nobody can be less faggot than ME

rofl

>>383696520
Piracy isn't all bad. It let's people who wouldn't normally have access to it grow a bond with what you do which creates an install base.

See: entire eng 2hu fanbase

>>383699686
All entertainment is not created equal. Do you also spout off the "if a game isn't 1 hour per dollar spent, it's a rip off!" thing? I got about a dozen hours out of Alien Isolation, but I enjoyed that a hell of a lot more than the 50 I sunk into Warframe before realizing what a grindfest it was.

By your logic, everyon should only play free to play games.

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>>383696012
>tfw busted for downloading a shitty horror movie for my niece
if I get busted again I'm gonna have to start using a VPN to torrent, shit sucks

>>383696520
I'd much rather that than Jamal stealing my car desu senpai

>>383701074
how can we ban something that is already illegal in every country on earth?

>>383696579
An anime, an album, a movie is 800mb at most, yeah I've downloaded some FLACs and some 1080 movies and anime but most of the time I don't do that.

Games are a lot of gigs to download just to see that its a fake, also games are much cheaper during a sale and most of the replay value comes from the online portion of the games. It's just not worth it to pirate a game, if I don't think a game is worth it $5 or $10 during a sale it's probably not worth my time either.

>>383701206

not in mine, google piracy tax

>>383700213
I pirate shit before I buy used. Only exceptions are when the creator is dead/out of business (rip terry pratchett, but it's nice to be able to get your 40 fucking books for three bucks each now.) or if it's the first in a series and I'm really on the fence about it. And even then I'll usually buy the thing at retail after.

>>383696012
Ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI

>>383701086
You know that the 1 dollar per hour meme implies "enjoyable hours of gameplay" right?
You wouldn't pay to make your annual tax report even if that keeps you busy for a few hours...

>>383699759

>test fucking a woman

I doubt that's a way to know a woman is wife material.

piracy doesn't only hurt corporations and small dev groups it also damages the government

>tfw have barely bought 10 books since obtaining an ebook reader
I feel kinda bad but it's so convenient and ebooks are always bullshit expensive compared to the physical equivalent

>>383701124
use a VPN anyway.

I don't give a fuck nigga.

Dishonored 2 was sweet

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>>383699883
>they were pricey before, so we should all bend over and not complain

>>383700764
Ignorantia juris non excusat

>>383701295
i did, and when you have to pay a monthly fee to download stuff from the internet then it isn't piracy

>first time getting 'caught' was for downloading a game I already owned, but didn't have a disc drive at the time
Thanks, Todd.

>>383701636

nice buzzwords

Is it younger people who have become such moralfags about pirating? Ten years ago, no one gave a fuck. It wasn't praised, but it certainly was never shunned.

>>383701540

Piracy is unavoidable, even my college teachers shared pdf versions of 200 dollar books and 500 dollar simulation programs with the cracks.

>>383701627
if you don't have enough money to buy it day one then no one is stopping you from buying it during a sale or when the price has gone down to an acceptable level, you don't have to play the game the same moment it is released

>>383701627
It is what it is, anon.
People are still buying the hell out of video games even if they think, or others think, it's pricey.

Oh shit is that why they are still making games because it's not profitable?

>>383699691
don't blame the sjw's for the actions of corporations you worthless faggot, know your enemy

>>383701336
And enjoyment isn't binary. There's more than "I enjoyed" and "I didn't enjoy." You can enjoy something more than you enjoyed something else. There are plenty of bundle games I got a really fun hour or two out of that cost me pennies per hour of entertainment. But I'd take, say, prey that was closer to two dollars per hour any day of the week. And you're still not touching on the idea that by that logic, free games are the greatest things ever.

>>383701808
Then how can piracy ruin the industry when the industry giants are making in a year greater amounts of money than GDP of a large amount of countries? Will the drones ever shut up? Will the moral busybodies ever choke on their own dicks? Will they ever realize that all they care about is making sure that you just give them money and the rest is secondary?

Why are movie tickets so pricey? And the pop corn and sodas too. Fuck that shit I stay at home make some pop corn, drink some generic soda and watch the latest TS-movies with the chinese audience. rip yify.

>>383701791
Yes.
Remember downloading shit split in parts from IRC channels?

>>383696012
You don't know how denuvo works

Speaking of pirating what's a good website and android application to use to read comics and Manga. I'll pirate some old comics but I'll also pay for newer ones as well.

>>383696012
Technology ruined the video game industry

In the past, video games were hard to make, there were only a few programmers in the world focusing on entertainment, wich they were all passionate about it, and not focusing on money, stealing ideas, and making interactive games

Nowdays, everyone can make a game, literally anyone, the industry is saturated, the game studios are now focusing on making business, and not good games etc

>>383702389

Videogames have always been a cashgrab anon, the industry crashed once because of that.

>>383702331
People always say this without ever actually explaining what the downsides to the average consumer are.

>>383702246
We have $5 Tuesdays here for films. Hit up Walmart for cheap snacks and drinks then smuggle them in.

>>383702227
I didn't post that word wall with intentions to talk about piracy.
It was a response to why games cost what they do, currently.
Piracy will always be a negative for publishers just like how shrinkage is for big box retailers.

Why make this comparison?
Both publishers and big box retailers still make a great deal of profit despite piracy/shrinkage.

>piracy is illegal
t. weedmaster420

>>383701791
Hard to say, but I'd guess younger people.

I doubt that "older" people would suddenly go like this is wrong that i did 20 years ago. I have to stop it by making threads on this imageboard.

>>383702246
in my country you can purchase all the stuff from outside the theater and bring them in unless you want popcorn or hot snacks

>>383696012
Then how come that Optimus-Mega-Jew and his capitalist comrades are sitting on billion dollar companies in the ever growing market that is entertainment ?

Piracy today is bigger as it ever was and yet it doesn't even make a dent to the top dogs, furthermore it is for many underprivileged humans the only window to the fast moving lifestyles of this planet.

>>383699747
dunno about movies but the music indistry is shit
artists make money by concerts , not their shitty disk were they get 1% of profit

>>383699647
I know that feel all to well.
Maybe one day when I'm retired I'll finally catch up on my backlog.

>>383702246
Movie theatres are huge so they have to pay a large amount in rent, then to get the rights to the movie then need to pay money upfront in a large chunk, and give the movie studio a cut of every ticket sale.
So the only place left to actually make them money is on the food and snacks

>>383701351
no but if she is a corpse in bed , i'm sure as hell she isn't worth marrying

>>383703002

You can always fix that, however you can't fix a bipolar schizo spoiled brat with daddy issues.

>>383701791
I really hate to use the word brainwashing, but that's all I can think to describe it. Companies spend billions of dollars teaching people that companies are your friend. You wouldn't steal your friend's phone, right? So why would you steal this movie from your buddy, Pixar? Every generation is more brand loyal than the last.

And don't pretend it doesn't affect you. I'm willing to bet you consider the generic store brand to be worse than the brand you recognize without even trying it to see for yourself.

>>383696012
you're right
there's nothing wrong with copyrighted artwork, but making it illegal for people to modify code they run on their own machine is completely immoral

>>383699759
You don't get to test drive a car indefinitely.

>>383702203
And you think people who like the 1 hour/dollar thing follow it like a mantra word for word?
Of course there are games where you say "well that was kinda short but still worth the money" and there is free grind that you could enjoy for endless hours and still feel ripped off.
Still 1 hour/dollar is a good rule of thumb because if you paid 60 dollars for 4 hours of fun no matter how fun those 4 hours were they don
t justify 60 bucks.
Because replay hours also count for that.

>>383696012
>Make your own game
>Sell it online for money
>Download your own game from a torrent site
Is that illegal? It's technically pirating a game without paying myself for it.

>>383702741
but it is, you can get 10 years prison time in europe and 5 years in usa and 4 years in china

>>383703447
No because you owned the IP in the first place

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people who pirate are on the same level as the chinese

anything that harms those greedy jewish fucks behind most "AAA" studios is good

>>383702203
Time is a currency you can never get a refund on, imagine playing a free game for 2 hours, realising it is shit and not being able to get your life back. How would you feel then mister? huh? thought so.

>>383703625
you're also harming the government since they tax video games and publishers

>>383703259
at least you do get to test drive it

>>383703625
and when those AAA studios face bankruptcy it is up to your tax money to make sure they live to make games another day

>>383696012
Ever heard a song on youtube and went, "Oh! What a nice song! I gotta convert this to an mp3!"
Ever known a movie that's come out in the last 80 years and decided, "I don't a VCR and I can't find a DVD seller for Jurassic Park...I'll just torrent it!"
Ever seen a Japanese game, like Mother 3, and thought, "It's not getting a translation!?!? But there's a group that's translating it...and I can't buy the Japanese copy, let alone play it on my GBA. I'll download it and patch it with the text file translation. No big deal!"

Fuck off.

>>383703132
>Every generation is more brand loyal than the last.
Back in highschool a friend did told me he was worried the future would be a steampunk dysstopia in which people were blindly loyal to mega corps. I laughed it up, but seeing the younger generations being brand loyalists and and threads like this actually make me worry.

>>383703694
tax is actual legalized theft, unlike piracy

>>383703895
>steampunk
you mean cyberpunk

>>383703991
I did, my bad.

>>383696579
iamsilly.png

I would download a car.

>>383703982
except theft only benefits the thief while tax benefits everyone in the country via health, military and education spending

>>383704147
ONE OF THOSE THINGS IS NOT LIKE THE OTHERS

>>383697814
>With piracy:
>Hey this game is actually really good, I'll just keep playing
fixed

>>383704147
>stealing is ok if it's for reason I consider good

and you want to give me a shit for piracy? lol

i don't care it's free shit

>>383696012
>then denuvo got BTFO while limiting everyones FPS because it has to load a VM in parallel to the game
ftfy.

also I would and can download a car. its called 3d printer technology and its fucking great.

>>383703694
>you're also harming the government
good

>>383696406
It's fine that you pirate but the actual thievery is a little shitty

>>383701086
The argument I was making compared games to other mediums, not games to games because the discussion had already established there is a $60 base price on new AAA games.

So trying to explain the discrepancy between a game copy and a blu-ray, games are usually longer experiences, you often get more than one form of entertainment out of it (gameplay and storytelling), and they lend themselves to greater replayability because rather than interpreting a single linear thing set in film or ink what a game offers is a set of rules which can be used in many ways.

>>383699606
Companies' wishful thinking and law are 2 different things.

>>383696012
Why do only vidya fanboys care about copyright laws? Nobody gives a shit if you download a tv show or a song, and definitely fucking porn, but a game? "YOU'RE RUINING THE INDUSTRY REEEEEEEE"

If I can get something for free, I'll try my damnedest to fucking get it.

>>383696012
I don't play many single player games, but the ones that I do, I pirate
These range from indie to AAA games, and lo and behold, the AAA ones tend to suck dick, and the indie ones are often unfinished
Only games I buy are multiplayer games I plan on playing with friends frequently
Otherwise fuck you

>>383703694
So, still greedy Jewish fucks then

>>383702246
I work at a theater and here's my take. We make NO profits off of the ticket sale itself - maybe on the order of pennies, but it's really just the studios jewing you. About 30% of people buy food or drink, so the only way to make profit is by jacking the price way up.
>inb4 lower the price of food and get more sales
If that worked we would have tried it.

>>383701791
I think it's people that grew up with a PSP that was pirated to shit and saw all those neat niche games from Japan that we never got over here. Now we're actually getting stuff like that at record pace and it's because people are actually buying games instead of just pirating everything.

I don't have a problem with people pirating to try or see if their computer can run it, or pirating just because they want free shit. I mostly have a problem with those that try and justify why they're pirating with some round about logic or saying a game is shit or whatever so they can feel better about them not paying for it.

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>>383696012
This is what corporate cucks actually belive.
Piracy is the ONLY thing protecting the consumer.

>>383696012
baseless bs. The PSP was hacked day one and sold millions of game copies and got free advertisement from pirates, and the vita didn't and see how it did.
The only reason people i know bought the 3ds is cause it got hacked and i just bought a henkaku'd vita cause of the same reasons.

>>383700265
Multiple people in this thread have admitted to buying something after pirating it, dumbass. Digital distrobution means it's really easy to make good on acquiring stuff.

Without pirating LAN parties basically wouldn't have been possible

>>383705430
>Without pirating GAMING basically wouldn't have been possible
Fixed that for ya.

>>383696012
Creating an artificial shortage of an infinitely replicatable at practically no cost good is reprehensible. Smart people realize this and thus the return of patronage, now can be a pooled collective instead of one rich sponsor thanks to the internet.

>>383697814
You forgot:
>Well this game is actually total trash. I'm gonna shit all over it on the internet.
I don't really care, just pointing this out :^)

>>383696260
This. I'm actually anti-piracy, but this double standard annoys me more than normal pirates.

>>383697814
>I want to play game X but not enough to actually pay for it
Then you don't get to play game X. You aren't entitled to video games.

>>383696406
>hack them
I don't think you're smart enough

>>383696406
How much do you want to bet that this Anon is a minority?

>>383696012

In total, I spent 10 times more on videogames than the average "normie" gamer, despite pirating the tits out of vidya over the past ~20 years. Not only have I promoted vidya as a pastime, I have brought dozens, maybe hundreds of other people to videogames through cd/filesharing, who in turn are buying videogames today.

Not even including me, it's been proven that piracy is actually GOOD for ANY media. It may fuck with a single developer / publisher / content maker, but none who are worth shit are endangered.

>>383707556
I'm not a minority, I'm white, my family is from spain.

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>>383707803
You pushed your luck with that one. Here's a pity (you).

>>383696012
What are they going to do?
Fly to Brazil and every other 3rd world country and arrest video game pirates?

>>383696579
The only problem with vidya piracy is when it gets too widespread and discourages devs from developing games for PC. This is the main difference from things like anime and comics which aren't developed for specific systems or programs/software that have tons of normalfags to compensate, much lower opportunity cost, or general open source culture.

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>>383704369

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>>383696012
>mfw I pirate everything on pc. everything
>mfw it prevents some jackass from being paid
>mfw it pisses people like OP off and ruins videogames for rich people

It couldn't be better.

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>buy dozens of games
>80% of time playing games is in f2p online games
>another solid 10% is low budget indie games
>the most expensive tripple A games you play through once and drop forever
>"b-b-b-ut the gaming industry doesn't have enough money!!1!"

>>383703694
But instead of spending that money on videogames I'll spend that money on other taxed products instead.

>>383708043
This. Without consoles, video games would've gone the same way as the music industry has thanks to piracy and streaming.

>>383697129
I have lived in Belgium, Sweden, and Mexico. Guess which one of them had data caps.

>>383700643
the fuck is reddit spacing?

what?

you type all your shit in one longass run on sentence like a fucking 5 year old?

>>383701542
virtual private network?

how does it even work?

>>383704893
i had a PSP and bought games all the way up until 2009 when i thought it was a dead as fuck system

then i pirated

shame that most of the REALLY good shit on the system isn't on the Vita PSN tho

>>383708021
they did that to the guy who ran Mega or whatever

>tfw Mega was alive in 2010 or so and its dead as fuck now

I pirate because I just like free shit and am stingy as fuck about my money, seeing I don't make much.
Nothing else really.

>>383708690
its funny with the AAA shit nowadays

i picked up Wildlands and its boring as fuck to me and i liked the other GR games. glad i "pirated it" by buying it used at GS and returning it within 7 days

>>383696012
>Some DRM does, and thats the bad kind
Almost all DRM inconveniences the customer, not the pirate.
>pirates ruined the video game industry
then why is it one of the fastest growing industries?

>>383696520
>its way worse
>continues to whine, not explain why it is way worse, and the example makes it actually not even as close to being as bad as stealing
I doubt you´d have a point even if you had the intelligence to actually know what you are talking about.

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I don't give a shit, normalfag

>>383709713

I think Mexico cause Sanchez needs bandwidth to upload their beheading vids on liveleak

>>383705525
What

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Denuvo affects paying customers though

>>383707803

So, an eurospic?