What are some MMOs with good solo content?

Not a single one of them.
Play singleplayer games if you want to solo.

>>383693410
>massive MULTIPLAYER online
>solo content
for what purpose?

>>383693410
>mmo
>solo content
its faggots like you that are killing mmos

>>383693410
tortanic, because solo content is all it has left

>be flames
>lose to maelstrom all year
>freelance into flames
>lose to maelstrom
>freelance into maelstrom
>lose to flames
fuck

tes:o

Secret World

Or FFXIV, if you want a really shitty FF story drawn out over long periods of grinding with the shittiest combat system you've ever tried.

Just play singleplayer games, dude.

>>383693410
GW2

>>383693410
Every single one of them

try BDO its mostly solo content

>>383693410
Vindictus

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>>383693410
I have a better question. What are some good RPGs with good multiplayer?

>>383693652
Every fucking time

Did you solo to 200?

>>383693410
Fucking kill yourself, you're the reason why MMOs are dead. I wish cancer upon you and your family

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>>383693410
>2.5s GCD
slowest final fantasy game ever made

>>383694092
You mad?

>>383694040
Highest solo is rdm at 186.

>>383694142
Play monk and you don't have these problems

>>383693916
BDO is a Korean cookie clicker.

>>383694092

How the hell did soloers kill mmo?

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>>383694014
Tales of Symphonia.
Being able to play the game along side 3 other friends was the most fun I had on gamecube outside of PSO.

And I'm still looking for a Katana that look like the Sealed J Sword of PSO in FFXIV!

>>383694040
No way, it's still literally impossible. The bosses from floors 120+ got nerfed, but mobs themselves still hit like a truck and are damage sponges.
You need to get extremely lucky, otherwise you simply don't have enough time to get through.
186 is the farthest someone got.

>>383694142
That's still slow, and the problem is, none of those flashy effects actually have any impact, and you're going to be doing them for 15 minutes whilst staying out of red areas because FFXIV does literally nothing interesting. It's a more bland, weeb WoW with half the content.

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>constant bitching about SP, MSQ content
>no one plays the 72 man PVP MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER type content until they added EXP to it

>>383694395
Having four difficulty modes does not quadruple the amount of content.

>>383694280
By existing and forcing creators to cater to their special autistic needs. "Uh I'm mentally challenged and can't interact with other people online, give me a group finder so I can play like the antisocial robot I am"

>>383694284
There are tons of black katanas or katanas that you can jet black the shit out of them.
None of them have purple seals or turns into a generic giant blade, but at least you don't need to kill +10000 enemies to make it throw laser beams around (no mag or photon blast required either), just get two sens and you are good to go.

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What's a good cheap MMO with good character customization that I can healslut in?

Not ff, I ain't paying 15 a month for that

>>383693916
>BDO
>content
Seriously nigga? BDO is the most dry shit for solo play imaginable, quests, especially main story quest, are barebones as fuck and doesn't even try to tell coherent story. Lore in general is either really dry or nonexistent, knowledge tiers literally doesn't matter for anything but combat bonuses.

It could have been a really great immersion mmo in mabinogi style, but it changed direction half way through production and so we get another korean grinder with zerg pvp and dolls to dress up

wowfags please get the fuck out of my thread, this is an undercover xiv thread

>>383694454
>until they added GARO gear/mounts to it
FTFY

>>383694550
>antisocial robot
I wish group finder was full of robots.

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>>383694454
But I did.

I actually miss a lot the time when it was scarce when we could get 24 man frontlines.
It was so much more fun and tactic based than 72 man, and stealing bases was actually worth it.

>>383694747
You can find tons of suggestions and "fap games" on /r/HealSluts ;^)

>>383694454
Because shatter is shit and they won't bring back seal rock

>>383694747
GW2, though not with the traditional trinity system, you can play dress up, spec for healing, etc. just have to buy the game itself

>>383694785
The 4.01 patch said it changed exp rates based on match length. Do frontlines besides shatter give more exp now or what?

I did PvP for the first time in SB and while I had a good time, I only ever got Shatter despite using frontline roulette exclusively, since people only queue specifically for it and not the others.

>>383694991
Can't tell you man, because people still queue only for shatter.

>>383694757
Fuck you I'm trying to find a decent solo grindfest, I'm sick of playing with people that can't handle more than two mechanics at time.

>>383694785
I remember getting one of these during Make it Rain event. I had to play with Badders, Flames decided to sit on our base for the whole match and force us to sit on spawn point like bitches while Mael got all ice for themselves. Fun times.

>>383694497
You could take away the last 4 WoW expansions and WoW would still double FFXIV's content with ease, not only in sheer size, but variety.

>>383695305
not really

>>383695305
provide proof of this. you claim this to be true, so show us.

>>383694931
They need to do some sort of EXP bonus thing and rotate it around. Like an EXP bonus for a certain PVP Map per day.

Obviously the answer is Runescape

>>383694454
Terrified to do it since
>last pvp match
>no idea what I'm doing just following the group
>9002
>log back in, no queue just cut off for no reason
>PLD comes over to me as I'm trying to run away to find the group
>one hit
>9002 again

>>383696465
Make it so that the majority of exp comes from Frontlines roulette instead of the map itself, with no daily limit on exp from the roulette.

>>383696858
>implying most people aren't queuing through roulette as is
It is always shatter because of sheer amount of people that are wanting to get it.

>>383693410
All of them.

>>383697712
????
Seize and Secure are 72-mans too. It's always Shatter because people queue for Shatter specifically.

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Black Desert is the most solo friendly mmorpg, just don't expect "endgame" because all it's content is supposed to be played during leveling.

>>383697834
>>383697712
Shatter is the better EXP grind cause it's shorter per match. So, giving more EXP to the other maps somehow would even things out. I don't mind Shatter, but a change now and then is nice.

>>383697912
>So, giving more EXP to the other maps somehow would even things out
Is that not what they did?

From the 4.01 notes:
>Class/Job EXP gained from participating in PvP encounters has been adjusted to take match durations into account.

>>383698004
The change is less EXP for getting 2nd or 3rd place. The maps don't give different EXP, not that I would know since Shatter is the only map that pops when you queue for roulette.

>>383698536
That's a separate note.
>Victories and losses will now award different amounts of EXP.
How the fuck could you interpret as "takes match durations into account" as "less exp for 2nd and 3rd"?

>>383695372
>>383695854
I don't know how to prove it to you other than telling you to play the game, but.

Legion, WoD, MoP and Cata gone still leaves WotLK, BC and Vanilla. And the vanilla world in itself is at least 3 times as big as Eorzea.

>>383694747
Probably WoW. Only slightly cheaper than FF, but there's definitely a lot more slut clothing.

>>383698710
bigger world doesn't mean more content. see every open world game ever that has jack shit to do.

>>383698878
I've played a LOT of MMOs. Trust me, WoW has a lot more to do than simply questing through zones ala FF. Especially modern WoW.

What are some MMOs that let me conquer land, build towns and engage in guild vs guild pvp?

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>>383693410

Not really anymore.

>>383699169
>WoW has a lot more to do than simply questing through zones
not really. world pvp is absolutely dead and discouraged because people can report for griefing, pet battles are really shallow, and if you aren't questing then you're wasting your time moving through a empty world.

>>383694142
And now half of those spells are on cooldown

>>383699567
>world pvp is absolutely dead and discouraged
>used to love raiding other faction towns and shit
>now max level guards endlessly spawn if you come within spitting distance of even the lowest level quest hub
I'l never not be mad about that shit.

>>383699337
Play Store is full of games like that.

>>383693569
I quite enjoyed BH and IA storyline.
But i'm a sucker for non force users in sw universe.

Lord of the Rings Online. It's really, really slow though.

>>383700242
>>383699567
>World PVP is absolutely dead

Yeah, it's not like we have an entire area dedicated to it, as well as world PVP quests. Stop talking about a game you've clearly not played in years.

What's the general consensus on Blade & Soul?

>>383702429
Great combat, looks pretty.

Everything else is very meh.

>>383702340
are you referring to the dalaran sewers?

>>383696745
I'm having this problem a lot lately.

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>>383702429
Basically this >>383702480
It's also a giant grindfest with unbalanced pvp.

>>383703120
Isn't this game popular on the esport scene with tournaments being streamed and commentated by professionals?

>>383703234
Only because of tierlist and ban.

>>383702340
>get bursted before you can react in wpvp because balance doesnt exist due to instanced pvp templates being the focus
>they fly away and change realms

wow yeah wpvp is really fun and cool you DUMB FUCK

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I like the idea of mmos because I like the progression, I like taking a loooong time to get strong in a videogame and really feeling that difference and feeling like I earned it and singleplayer games just don't offer that experience. But I hate the social aspect, I don't like multiplayer and I don't like to communicate while I play.

>>383693652
>play adders
>win 3/4 times

>>383703705
The word is bandied about wantonly on this site, but you might actually have autism.

>>383693410
Play OSRS and become a ironmeme you'll be forced to solo.

>>383702340
>""World"" with heavy restrictions in terms of area and no real rewards to compensate either
Gee I wonder why no one gives a shit.

Wouldn't need rewards if it were fun, anyway. When it's unfun shit you need stupid rewards to even keep it on life support, and that's what shit like Wintergrasp always has been. Artificial, no fun ""world"" pvp.

>>383702340
>WORLD PVP
>restricted to an entire AREA
kil yourself my man.

>>383703427
Honestly just sounds like you're bad at it. Which doesn't surprise me. Learn how to play or fuck off, retard.

>>383703951
Probably. But nevertheless I enjoy what I enjoy.

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>People actually read a guide and watch a video for story mode content
Did Stormblood finally crank up the difficulty?

>>383704649
People have been asking for others to watch videos since vanilla. Only idiots ever did.

>>383704545
I can respect that.

>>383704789
people usually ask to watch videos for savage/extreme content, not story mode.

>>383704649
Shinryu does not have any difficult mechanics, he is just punishing if you do fuck up. If you don't move to the edge for Tidal Wave, you'll die. If you stand in the wrong spot on meteors, you'll die. If you can't kill the adds fast enough, you'll die. If you repeatedly get hit by his highly telegraphed attacks, you'll die. None of these things are difficult to avoid, you just need a few braincells to rub together, but that is asking too much of this playerbase.

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>>383703705
I can understand that, I also enjoy the non-multiplay features of MMOs (character progression, housing, weapon/dress-up/pet collection, etc) but unfortunately they are really rare on single player games. Other than these "Massively Singleplayer Online with optional multiplayer" games (like Phantasy Star Online, Warframe, Spiral Knights, etc), Terraria is the only singeplayer example I can remember right now.
I don't hate multiplayer that much, I just don't enjoy playing with strangers and my friends prefer fast-paced, match-based games.

>>383704854
No I've been playing since vanilla, I still remember people telling you to watch a youtube video of the last story encounters so you knew how to sneak past some mobs and shit like that.

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>>383703705
i get you, definitely. i spent years in guilds where i basically took care of people, did a lot of stuff to help others, and now that i moved to a new server i made my own solo FC. i'm still helpful, i chat with some folks but I like having my own thing, not have to worry about events, have to babysit others, etc.

I play at my own pace now, and I'm having more fun than I ever did back in the day. I log on, do my dailies, gather, do some quests, work more on MSQ, make money, etc.

This is fun for me. It won't be for others, but damn I enjoy it.

>>383705850
I will never understand why people like you play MMOs.

What is the point of just seeing everyone around you but not doing anything with them?

>>383706551
You misread though, I still play with others, chat with them, but I like not having to have to organize events, help FC members with everything every single day I log on, etc.

I'm also an older player, most likely older than you, so i kinda put those days of playing MMO's traditionally a bit behind me.

I don't isolate myself completely, I still interact with folks and do duty finder/party finder. I just like the aspect of having my very own thing with no responsibilites, no commitments and at my own pace.

>>383693492
>>383693493
>>383693505
Kill yourselves

>>383693869
>Secret World
This. After the reboot, 99% of XP and loot comes from turning in quests now. Fighting random mobs is almost pointless.

>>383694263
You will with Riddle of Fire :^)

>>383693410
Game?

>>383693410
guild wars 1

>>383707359
Palace of the Dead.

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>>383693410

>>383694142
why did you slow the webm down

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>>383693410

How's your solo going /v/? I ended up dying at 166 due to shit pomander luck.

I'll respect anyone with the Necromancer title more than any world first or Savage clear, that shit is insane.

>>383707828
i just started my own solo run, i'm no where near your level, but i'm enjoying the attempt so far. I've not died yet though, just curious, what happens when you do? do you have to start over from a set floor? Do you lose all xp you earned?

>>383708131
You need to start from level 1 to be eligible for the achievement. And if you die you always start from lvl 1 at floor 1, unless you have a raising pomander to save you.

>>383694550

>MMO
>Social

Go outside for once, you fucking bender.

>>383707828
Last I heard the 150 boss was impossible to solo.
What changed?

>>383708294
oh fuck...welp, i suppose i can just see how far i can go.

>>383708502
Sustain potions
A very strong heal over time for 15 seconds, usable every 15 seconds

Whats the appropriate placement of Embolden during the opener of a red mage?

>>383708628
When you use the melee combo.

>>383707828
>playing a game where you literally have nothing to press every 2.5 seconds
is this game just designed for one handed disabled people or something
who wants to play that boring shit
also having a fucking gay story in an mmo
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

>>383708628
melee combo, so it benefits the melee dps

the magic boost is only for you

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>>383708796

>>383708594

Even with the Sustain pots, that fight was an absolute bitch compared to the 160 boss. I ended up just kiting the 4 adds around so I didn't waste time dpsing them, I killed them Contre when they all stacked up instead.

The boss heals whenever she eats the succubus so if you get to the boss without much time left you might be screwed. You also only need to get the succubus to like 75% for the hit to be survivable, rather use the rest of the time dpsing the boss itself.

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>>383693492
fpbp

>>383707072
biggest faggot itt

>>383708874
>he doesn't play my terrible slow, clunky, awful mmo
>b-better g-get my b-bait image!!!!

>>383708763
>>383708868

Would I do it before I enter melee or do it after Enchanted Riposte?

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>>383704649
>14
>difficult

this is the game where players couldnt g punching bag

>>383693410
World o Warcraft. For a long time it was a single player MMO RPG.

>>383709092
Before, your melee combo does magic damage.

>>383693410
Spiral knights

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>>383694747
>TFW no one has mentioned Black Desert

>>383704649
Just the final boss, since he's a litmus test of almost all major boss battles in the game, and it is painfully obvious who the bads are and who were carried in earlier content.

Will likely join Steps of Faith / Final Steps of Faith / The Chrysallis on the nerfing block, but will forever be vote abandon / bitches leaving right away since it isn't as mindless as Garuda HM for their daily roulette.

>>383709419
Nah, do it after Enchanted Zwerchau so you still have the max 20% buff when you do Redoublement and Verholy/Verflare. Riposte and Zwerchau do shit damage anyway.

>>383709723
Black desert doesn't have dedicated healing classes.

It's also a shit game where you spend 90% of your time afking. Biggest joke of an MMO in recent years.

>>383709092
I pop after the gap closer, before I start the melee combo. Enchanted melee benefits from the magic bonus, and the nearby melee will benefit from the physical damage.

>>383709092
>>383709856
I've seen people use it before their first Verflare/holy so Embolden is still up when you go to melee combo again when you use Manafication.

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>Thread derails into FF shit
>Just like any time an MMO thread is made

This is why nobody likes you or wants you here.

>>383709997
This is what I do as well, to help the others benefit from it, but I am wondering if there is a better time.

This sounds good too >>383710025

>>383710182
>comes into what is obviously a stealth xiv thread just so he can complain
lurk more

>>383710025
Is there some tactic where you do 2 melee combos in a row? Seems dubious.

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>>383693652
yeehaw

>>383702340
If it's essentially restricted to a specific area, then it's not WORLD pvp you stupid fuck. It's just a non-instanced battleground

Black Desert Online.

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>>383710514
>only has E I G H T more people than GW2
>still THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND people behind WoW

>>383710514
>3 weeks off new expansion
>against a dying, nearly two decade old game
>WoW still has four times as many followers

Sad and hopeful at the same time. At least not everyone is retarded and jumped onto weeb WoW clone number one thousand.

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>>383710514
>reddit loves FF14

this doesn't surprise me at all

>>383701159
>IA successfully duelled a Sith lord
Rad

>>383699912

Funny enough he was playing the one class that isn't true on, out of all those abilities only 4 were cd's, 2 on very short cd (1 specifically is a 20 second cd).

>>383701159
>i'm a sucker for non force users in sw universe.

Too bad Star Wars fandom is geared toward casuals and not actual world building anymore. RIP Star Wars Galaxies, where almost nobody was a force user because it took for fucking ever to grind it out.

>>383710818
>A game with no sub fee has a ton of players
>WoW has been out for 13 years

Who would've thought

>>383693410
>GUI is HD resolution
>character in the center is pixel shit stain

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>>383693410
I can recommend actual solo online games. Card games are an option. Instead of a character you gain cards over time as your progress.

>>383701159
IA was great. I wish it was a real single player game that wasn't held back by SWTOR limitations.
Same for Sith Warrior

Fuck man, just imagine SWTOR as a massive RPG with 8 class stories.

>>383709997

Last question, whenever I enter melee, if I have an ocgd up, should I try to weave it or do they clip too much for it to be worth it?

>>383709092
Just after Enchanted Zwerchhau
That way both Enchanted Redoublement and VerHoly/VerFlare benefit from the max buff.

>>383711241
>card game
>solo
I can think of many solo things except that.

>>383710514
>literally admitting that it's reddit the game
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>383711229
yes that's one of the concepts for Deep Dungeon, it's actually pretty neat

though probably not worth their time, it would have been great if they made the pixel head resemble your character's character creator choices (excluding armor)

>>383711397
I usually save the oGCD during the downtime after the flare/holy, I haven't tried throwing one during the melee combo.

>>383710872
>Aspen

He never fails at making my asshole quiver.

>>383711397
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kE7SLJ772HABL3AczJbRfbG_gs5_VWwh5fklZoxHd_0/preview#

>For your opener, it’s not exactly going to be 100% consistent since this class relies so much on procs, but there are a few rules to keep in mind when executing your opener.

>You should always weave oGCDS after a Dualcast.
>Corps-a-corps and Displacement should be used before Manafication since Manafication will reset them anyways.
>Embolden should be happening after Enchanted Riposte.
>You will have +40/40 Mana no sooner than your 8th GCD and no later than your 10th.
>If you’re getting tons of procs in your opener, your potion will have to be double weaved and will cause some GCD clipping.

>So with those rules in place, your opener will look like this:

>10s - Precast Acceleration
>7s - Precast Diversion
>5s - Precast Verthunder/Veraero
>Dualcast Opposite > (Contre Sixte + Fleche)
>Ready Proc
>Dualcast Verthunder/Veraero > (Corps-a-corps + Mana Shift if you have a Bard)
>Ready Proc or Jolt II
>Dualcast Verthunder/Veraero > (Displacement + Potion)
>Ready Proc or Impact
>Dualcast Verthunder/Veraero > (Manafication + Corps-a-corps)
>Enchanted Riposte > (Embolden)
>Enchanted Zwerchhau
>Enchanted Redoublement > (Displacement)
>Verholy/Verflare

>>383711862
good taste, anon

>>383712201
>double weaving a potion
Did this dude even test his shit?

>>383710486
Assuming you're in 100/100.
Do your melee combo then verflare/holy, then one of your gauge will be at 40, fill up the other one up to 45 then use Manafication then do your melee combo again.
In case you don't know, Manafication doubles your current mp gauges and resets corps and displacement.

>>383709932
Are you sure that isn't runescape?

>>383693410
Maplestory.

>>383710486
as an example
>be 100/100
>have a verfire proc
>melee combo and verholy for 41/20
>verfire and verthunder for 41/40
>manafication to 82/80
>melee combo
>verflare will still be under 2 stack embolden
If you do this without the initial proc, you have to joly/verthunder swiftcast verthunder and that takes 3 gcds, where the proc and verthunder takes 2. This means verflare will be under 1 stack of embolden.

>>383712201
>hardcasting verthunder/aero

For what purpose.

>>383712201
I'm assuming you didn't put that together but is it better DPS overall to pop Manafication for the first melee combo? I do the first melee combo without it, build the 40/40 as quick as possible, pop manafication and do the melee combo again. .

>fw I want to play WoW but I neither want to play a max level character nor start over again

but I don't have a max level of every class yet

what do

>>383712557
Hardly seems worth it. You have to delay manafication to build up to 100/100 instead of just popping it when you first hit 40/40, then you need to spend 2-3 GCDs to build back to 40/40, so by the time you get back to redoublement and verflare/holy, embolden is mostly gone.

>>383713078
If someone uses a timer you can totally hardcast it before the fight starts.

>>383713078

You precast it during the countdown to the fight, why wouldnt you cast a stronger spell than Jolt while you're doing nothing and the fight hasnt started?

>>383713163
You did read the word "assuming" right?
Plus you don't you have to do 100/100 you just need the bare minimum to do enchanted melee. You should only ever reach 100 when you have to move around and can't do anything but cast spells.

>>383710514
>reddit: the mmo

>>383713228
But wouldn't it be better to do something like:
Acceleration>Jolt2>Verthunder/Aero?
That's one extra spell and you also get Impactful.

>>383713105
>I'm assuming you didn't put that together but is it better DPS overall to pop Manafication for the first melee combo?

Yes, your goal is to get to your melee combo asap at the start so it can be buffed by Trick Attack etc.

>>383713137
Masturbate and start playing FF14 or Black Desert instead

Is there anything worth buying with Poetics to make money out of?

>>383713481

How is it an extra spell? Hard casting Verthunder/aero would Acceleration > Verthunder > Veraero sure you dont get impactful but you get to do 600 potency of damage in the beginning of the fight and then go into whatever you procced with acceleration

What are the chances that SCH is going to receive buffs in next weeks patch?

>>383713590
but those are two shit games

>>383713353
If you only had 80/80 then by the time you've built up enough mana to do another melee combo then embolden would be completely gone. It's basically just a really roundabout way of saying "use manafication at 40/40" which is a normal part of the RDM rotation anyway. I don't feel like it would really be worth trying to deliberately set up two quick melee combos so you could maybe get a 2-4% buff on Redoublement and Verholy. Like, it's probably a DPS increase, but a really marginal one for a lot of extra effort.

>>383693410
Dragon quest

Can Shiva EX be soloed?

>>383713791
I really don't understand what you're trying to say.
Why would you not want to have double melee in a span of one Embolden albeit at almost at the end of it's duration?

>>383713938

RDM should be able to solo every 2.0 EX Primal probably

>>383714032
Ramuh EX handed my RDM it's ass.

>>383714130

Even while grabbing orbs so that his tankbuster wouldnt destroy you?

>>383714130
you're probably too stupid to solo shiva too, then.

>>383713938
Yeah, as long as you don't fuck up with the knockback attack and get frozen by the walls. You also need to play a job that can heal itself reliably.

>>383713531
I see, makes sense. Thanks for the tips anon.

>>383693410
Final Fantasy XI had good stories. Can solo all story missions nowadays

>>383707465
That's more co-op than mmo.

>>383713785
Masturbation is a pretty good game, though.

>>383709035
You haven't played the game.

>>383714520
>soloing in a multiplayer game

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>>383712929
>No one will make more webm of her or her sister
;_;

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>>383714798
There are tons of DLC content that makes soloing enjoyable.

>>383714520
maybe we can co-op sometime, anon :d

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Are the XIV servers fixed yet
Is WoW good yet

>>383710182
Well its the best currently running mmo what do you expect

It also targets weebs and guess what website you are on, so there is bound to be a big part of the playerbase on here.

>>383715778
>Are the XIV servers fixed yet
Still getting ddos

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>>383714650
He's not wrong, and you don't have an argument.

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>>383716090
2.5 GCD meme has been disputed enough times that you could just read the thread to see how wrong it is.
125 hours in an MMO is nothing, you are not an authority here.

>>383716269
>125 hours in an MMO is nothing, you are not an authority here
yeah yeah that's what all you fucking xiv apologists say
>I-I-It gets better at level 70, I swear!
shut the fuck up and stop shilling your shit game on /v/

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I'm looking for a good mmo with ACTUAL rpg content, any suggestions ?

>>383716457
>For every other mmo, "it get better latter" is fine
>Somehow it's not okay with FFXIV
I don't get it

TESO

>>383716457
Imagine being pathetic enough to make posts like this.

>stop talking about video games I don't like on /v/

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>>383716460
reminds me of this painting

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>>383716460
The RPG in MMORPG is dead.
You're stuck waiting for a renaissance that may never come just like the rest of us.
Vanilla WoW private servers are probably your best bet but I'm not sure if there are any good ones that are still running.

>>383716643
>>383716606
Stop taking the bait.

>>383716790
>I-ITS B-BAIT, I-IT HAS TO BE... N-NOBODY CAN DISAGREE WITH THE CIRCLEJERK!!

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>>383716460
>Night Elf has an iPhone

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>>383716910

>>383717063
>bait bait bait bait bait bait bait
The sign of a rabid fanboy unable to defend his favourite game anymore. Out of arguments entirely.
Having to rely on nothing but pretending to be retarded and buzzwords.

>>383717063
you really can't help yourself huh?

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>>383707072
>>383693410
I am legit curious.
Why go to a mmo to play solo?
Most single player games offer better solo content, better gameplay and have better storytelling than mmos.

That being said.
lord of the rings online is pretty confy anf the zones are huge and awesome to explore

elder scrolls online is pretty fun and "delves" (solo dungeons) are usually interesting

secret world legends, investigation missions have you trying to solve really hard puzzles and sabotage missions are semi stealth mixed with a bit of combat and puzzle solving. The atmosphere and the characters is very different and really interesting compared to the rest of the mmos in the market

>>383716457
>>383716606
Just compare endgame ff xiv content to basically any other mmo. It's pathetic in comparison

BDO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n_ahazTJ3Q
Vindictus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ-YFebLNLI
FFXIV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsEZ139U8Y8

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>>383717136
>people aren't allowed to like things I don't like unless they present arguments to me, none of which I'll acknowledge anyway because of my pre-conceived notions
Your favorite game is actually the biggest piece of shit in existence and it's impossible for you to convince me otherwise.

>>383716976
Honestly with the direction they took for wow i'm surprised it's not actually possible to do that in game

>>383717262
Because >>383705818
"Better/worse" doesn't mean much when you simply can't find certain "combination of features" in singleplayer games.

>>383717424
>those view counts
>that resolution on the BDO video
>same korean moaning sound effects playing every couple seconds in the Vindictus video
You're making their case or them.

>>383717424
>BDO
>playing korean grindfest p2w garbage

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>>383718170
>complains about p2w garbage
>meanwhile he continues to play a game he spent upwards of 60 bucks for initially as well as a monthly cuckscription
>he still doesn't get all the content in the game because of square's jewery
xivfags are so dumb

>>383717424
BDO and Vindictus make me sick with that fast moving camera and motion blur

>>383694142
yeah fuck FF 14 for this mostly. It could very easily have good combat. For a game that copied WoW, why it forgot to add the lower gcd, higher procs, and more action combat in general astounds me.

>>383693410
FF12, Xenoblade, .hack series

>entered leveling roulette like 2 weeks ago on Tank
>fucking hate Aery
>get Aery
>never touch tank or leveling again
>cracked cluster loot gets added
>tried it today
>Aery
>bail immediately
lol fuck you Yoshi

>>383693916
>>383694754
>BDO
>content
It has desert in it's name for a reason.

>>383718909
>forgot
they didn't forget anything. they wanted to console audience

>>383720337
thats even more depressing. wouldnt the console market actually want more responsive action? Why didnt they go the maple story route then? I dont understand their design decision.

>>383704649
There is nothing that took me more than one run to learn except for the Earth Sand Breath move and Akh Morn but they aren't ultra deadly mechanics anyways. Videos are necessary tho for PF because most players in this game are shit reddit normies.

>>383720426
I don't think the game was designed for consoles from scratch, smelled more like a switch in target group later on.
maybe that happened with the relaunch, but I'm not sure, never followed the game closely.

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>>383721919
Certainly succors me mayhaps.

>>383721669
>make game for PC
>it flops at 1.0
>revamp it with 2.0
>still keep the 1.0 aspects despite having a console release

It feels like Square got real lazy

>>383722438
I WANT AIMI TO STEP ON ME WITH THOSE HEELS

>>383722060
>skipping cutscenes

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Why is SAM so goddamn fun in PVP?
>Use Midare on some cunt
>They try to flee but Midare keep going
>"RAMPAGE!"

>>383723675
This is true. The only time I didnt follow this when during a downtime where I didnt have to heal or the boss was in a weak state and it's better than standing there doing nothing. This is mostly only in the early dungeons. Dungeons get hard enough after that to focus only on healing. The gcd in this game is too large and the action queuing is too fucked up to afford dpsing between abilities.

>>383723675
Why would someone expect the healer to DPS? They need their mana for heals.

>>383718909
But it's more complex and involved and fast than WoW?

>>383716090
>steamtard
>125 hours
o i am laffin

>>383724527
You're bad.

>>383725281
WoW is more complex by the fact that it allows more agency on the player side. FF14 locks you into a rigid routine that runs on a slow clock. The combat in FF14 isnt important like it is in WoW. Thats just the design decision that they made at Square for some strange reason. Tho that reason is likely cause they wanted the game to be casual friendly and focus mainly on the story aspects.

>Blizzard shills posting ITT
Shouldn't you be firing up LOIC to continue with the DDOS attack?

>>383725321
You're worse for wasting mana on doing something you're not suppose to.

>>383725424
>more agency on the player side
No? Modern WoW is oversimplified combat where you spam one button and use your 4-5 cooldowns as they come up and your 1 situational cooldown as you need it. It's fucking braindead compared to FFXIV and even moreseo in actual content where addons tell you what to do.

>>383717424
Lakshmi Ex is probably one of the worst boring fights in XIV. At least post Susano, don't cherry pick the worst.

>>383725512
No, I'm just not bad. I never go out of mana, DPS in dungeons, and never let the tank die. You're just bad at this game, which is probably because you're used to braindead WoW healing where you use healing touch 5000 times and do nothing else.

>>383725529
If WoW is braindead, then FF14 plays itself.

>>383717424
That BDO and Mabinogi video are pretty shit.
Meanwhile in a casual 2.5 GCD game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SezhQxpIQ38

>>383725605
Post a single WoW fight on par with Brute Justice in terms of complexity and diffculty. Oh wait, you can't.

>>383723675
They're right though, you can't blame a healer for not dpsing. You can get mad at them, but they lined up as a healer, not a dps.
Also, if your group actually NEEDS healer dps to clear enrage, the problem lies with the dps themselves.

>>383693569
Every time i think about going back to check out the new single player storyline, I quickly remember that its still a WoW clone in terms of equipment and skills and immediately lose interest.

>>383725692
I wont because your mind is already made up. You consider FF14 harder because of your investment in it which is why I wont pursue that debate with you. I only care about the objective parts

>FF14: no various class playstyles, rotation-based combat with high gcd to keep it easy; most skills outside it are placed on long cooldowns to keep the player from spending too much brainpower having to cycle it all fast enough
>WoW: each class has three ways to play, with additional talent trees to allow divergence of playstyle even more; gcd is kept reasonable with constant procs to keep the action going; because players have to think faster due to faster rotations, combat tends to be more complex

Faster == more difficult. Thats game design 101. Whether it makes it more complex, I cannot say because WoW uses a different combat system than FF14.

>>383724990
In XIV as long as the tank mitigates damage and the healer puts a regen/shield on the tank, they're good to go and should do damage to help end the fight quicker.

>>383726050
Only in early dungeons. Past level 40, you cant do that any longer.

>>383726169
t. shit healer
My friend heals better than you and does more damage than you'll ever do, only exception might be very big pulls, but that's all.
Either that or you've been paired with tanks who pop all their cooldowns at the start of a boss fight then don't bother afterwards.
Even in raids there is time to deal damage as a healer.

You guys can meme all you want about muh east coast ping but I don't recall the servers shitting themselves like this over 3 whole years of french canadian servers fueled by maple syrup.

This shit is getting ridiculous

>muh ddos

Get fucking real and stop sucking yoshi's apologetic's cock

>>383726040
I consider it harder because I've played both and modern WoW is a joke and has been for years.
>no various class playstyles
There's no variation in playstyles in WoW specs either. Specs might as well be different classes.
>but muh talent trees
If you don't pick what's meta then you're being a retard and no group will take you.
>high GCD to keep it easy
3 actions per 2.4 seconds (more if you play NIN) vs 3 actions every 3 seconds in WoW. FFXIV objectively is faster.
>long cooldowns
20-30 seconds isn't long.
>procs = action
Wrong. There's also procs on nearly every job in FFXIV as well.

>>383726319
>SB releases
>other than the Raubahn and Pippin walls, or crashing the server when 2000 people try to fight Ixion at once the game runs fine with minimal lag or D/Cs
>weeks later when people aren't even playing as much anymore
>servers shitting themselves constantly even in 4man content
Yeah it's definitely not a DDoS attack

>>383726169
Literally the only dungeons in which that is not the case are 65 and 67 dungeons, every single other dungeon you should DPS as a healer or you're garbage at this game.

Did servers just die?

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>AST is aesthetically retarded and plays like shit
>SCH nerfed into the ground and now plays worse across the board
>WHM is fun as shit and got universial buffs with a cool but ignorable new job mechanic
>SCH is STILL the fucking meta because they got one new ability that autists deem necessary for speed kills

I'm so sick of this whiplash. I fucking dropped SCH and fell in love with WHM and now I have to face this dumb-ass reality.

>>383726550
lots of people are D/Cing at complete random. I just got kicked but my roomate is still online even though we're both on the same router.

>>383726323
You're obviously cucked by FF14, which is why everything you answered with is mostly subjective.

But I will confront you about one thing: NIN.

Nin has higher apm, only because they do less dps. If they had the same dps as your standard gcd limited dps in FF14, they would be the most OP class ever. Square arent stupid enough to give a class the higher number of actions and also the same amount of dps. That's where the balance comes in. Thats why playing NIN is underwhelming. You don't play it to be a good dps.

>>383726550
yes, that guy from /v/ is so mad at ffxiv having threads on that board he started ddos'ing the game.

It was most likely noroi kisaragi as he hates yoshi for not caring about pugilist.

>>383726563
>AST is aesthetically retarded and plays like shit
YOu mean has the best animations of any healer and plays the best? WHM plays almost as well now but AST is still more fun.

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>>383717424
>cherrypicking the most boring ex since bismarck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9qovDVwugw

>>383726654
>Nin has higher apm, only because they do less dps.
Stopped reading there.
Don't shitpost about a game you don't even understand.

>>383726498
Nah Imma keeping healing. You're free to tell me not to heal, but no one else in your party will agree with you.

>>383726713
Bismarck was better than Laksmi. But did you really expect a BDO shill to have any kind of taste?

>>383726672
No the cards feel like shit and add needless RNG. Plus the have the worst weapon type in the game, and they all look the same. The rest of their abilities are just tweaked WHM ones.

>>383726765
Everyone else in my party will agree because I party up with friends who aren't fucking terrible at this game.

>>383726728
Bitch, I've played your mediocre game. WoW is casualized, but FF14 is baby's first mmo. Even Maplestory doesnt treat you as much of a kid as this game. Nay, not even Fiesta, a game made for 12 year olds.

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>>383726806
I can tell you've never played AST to even 50. That, or you're actually retarded.

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>>383726765
>mfw I kick healsluts like you since I have two healer friends and healers are in more supply than tanks
Exception is sprouts who haven't seen the light yet, they just need to be taught.

>>383726728
>replying to low tier bait
cmon son

>>383726953
I have. I just really hate the job. I can't even put my finger onto why. It really is just a basic-ass MMO healer with the card bullshit tacked on the side.

>>383727073

>I dont dps as the healer that was designed to have more time to dps

These are the people I fucking play this game with

>>383726654
>mostly subjective
Says someone whose entire argument is "much procs" when proc-based gameplay gets fucking boring when every class has a proc gimmick shoehorned in.
>You're obviously cucked by FF14
I guess I am, since it's a better game and not a slow oversimplified casual tablet game for retards with absolute fucking bottom-of-the-barrel trash bosses like WoW currently is.
>Nin has higher apm, only because they do less dps
NIN is only beat by SAM and MNK currently and they more than make up for the difference with Trick Attack and Shadewalker. The job doesn't have a low GCD because it has lower damage, you fucking retard, it has lower DPS because it's a fucking support and that difference is made up for by raising raid DPS. In fact, it's arguable that NIN has consistently been the absolute best job in the entire game since it was released bar none, even beating out SCH and WAR. Of course I doubt a retard who plays a 1-button rotation with procs game would understand that, even though MNK also exists with an identical GCD reduction and the second highest DPS in the game, and SAM exists with nearly the same GCD reduction and the highest DPS in the game.

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>>383727046
AST and NIN are my best examples to bring up when I tell people why FF14's combat is shit. Square puts all the fun abilities on long ass cooldowns, so you're stuck using either 1 button or three for a combo while waiting for said ability to come back online. Instead of, for instance, making all of AST use a card based system to make it more fun and interesting. Or all of NINs abilities being off the Ninjutsu system (which btw, in a proper mmo, would be considered a different spec and allow a ninja to either focus more on ninjutsu spells or more on flippy, fast dagger play).

The game has a lot of potential to grow, but Aquare only cares about the bottom of the barrel of gamers. Aka the ones who dont want to play a game. They just want to "experience."

>>383693410
TESO
FF14
Neverwinter

I'm looking for more myself, the ones above had enjoyable single player content with grouping here and there.

Why are people complaining about Shinryu? Is there a hard mode I don't know about?

>>383727323
>Square puts all the fun abilities on long ass cooldowns
20 seconds isn't long.

>>383727427
They haven't paid attention to previous primals and have been carried through so now with something that requires awareness they don't know what to do.

>>383727323
Meanwhile in WoW you have 1 ability you spam and 5 on actually long cooldowns (not 20 seconds like Ninjitsu)

>>383727427
FF14 has a problem where they expect people to google all their fights, save for the earlier dungeons that gave clues as to what you may face later on in a boss fight. Shinryu was a difficult spike for most of the fanbase who dont like reading. So parties are wiping since he's not your average spank and tank.

>>383727564
>Meanwhile in WoW you have 1 ability you spam and 5 on actually long cooldowns
And 5 to 10 more abilities that are either proc'd constantly or are on short cooldowns.

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Playing Secret World Legends right now, started yesterday. Really fun game and actually makes me activate my almonds when doing many quests, not just pointless go there kill 10 gay mobs and return.

>>383727427
The people I noticed having the most trouble with Shinyru are level boosters or people that are just returning to the game after not playing for years. They didn't see or obviously forgot the mechanics that were repeated through all of A Realm Reborn and Heavensward.

>>383709374
Its been singleplayer since Cataclysm

>>383727323
My other issue is with their weapon. Every other class has a basic sort of weapon, meanwhile AST has this autistic globe thing and Yu-Gi-Oh deck holder strapped to their thigh. Why not just a deck of cards that they hold/float around them? It'd be like Setzer or something.

Instead we end up with what we have. It reminds me of shitty korean MMOs where every class has some autistic weapon type like dual weilded laser axes with jet boosters on the side.

Plus every single AST weapon looks the fucking same.

>>383727676
"short" cooldowns.

>>383727807
A deck system would be totally fun. I was actually expecting that when the class was announced. But we ended up just getting the same healer with a card ability tacked on. Square couldn't have disappointed me anymore.

>post A8S
>WoWfags shut up
Every time

>>383727340
Try Phantasy Star Online 2 and Warframe.

>>383727959
I would love to play PSO2 if connecting to Japanese servers from America weren't so laggy and you didn't have to go through a flaming hoop for a English patch everytime the game patches itself.

>>383727676
Sounds like FFXIV except you're not spamming 1 ability and you have long cooldowns in addition to the short ones.

>>383728092
No. You're just spamming three in the same sequence in 14 without any diversification or decision making.

>>383728154
Wrong

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>>383728154
yeah right

Is EVE online, despite its shitty gameplay, still the only MMO that has all the MMO core values in tact?

>Player driven economy
>Epic wars with many players playing as peices in that war, from suppliers, to fighters, to diplomats
>The best money avenues in the game are still multiplayer focused, such as wormholing and industry chains

>>383728080
It's been a while since the last time I played it, but that first issue isn't so bad in my experience (there is a noticeable delay on damage input, but not on combat itself), and there is a fan-made updater that automatically applies the english patches (and it isn't as broken as the official updater when you have to download a big update).

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>>383728214
>red mage

fucking kek, RM has the most drab rotation ever. It's literally the same thing as every other class, except you have a lunge integrated into it to exhaust your guage then go back to casting again. RM and DRK are 14's only difficult classes, and by difficult, I mean they are a 2nd grade class to a game full of 1st grade ones.

>>383728535
t. hasn't played the game

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>>383728614
You're right. I havent played the game.

>>383728397
Wakfu have some community-driven shit (players have to craft currency, no NPCs selling or buying shit, flora and fauna's population controlled by the players, politics system but that was broken most of the time), but it's been a while since the last time I played it.

>>383694014
artist, anyone?

Why do we hate the most solo friendly mmo GW2 again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD8rV4hnwiE

>>383728969
http://saucenao.com

>>383728397
Well, Albion Online, which is basically fantasy EVE, is leaving beta soon.
It has shitass visuals though.

>>383728993
well 1. you can only solo fractals if you are some type of autist

2. people hate the game because its not just an expac for GW1, most people go in expecting something else and get dissapointed. IMO it's the best mmo on the market rn

>>383716694
histories most legendary BANTZ
Sultan Mehmed IV to the Zaporozhian Cossacks:

As the Sultan; son of Muhammad; brother of the sun and moon; grandson and viceroy of God; ruler of the kingdoms of Macedonia, Babylon, Jerusalem, Upper and Lower Egypt; emperor of emperors; sovereign of sovereigns; extraordinary knight, never defeated; steadfast guardian of the tomb of Jesus Christ; trustee chosen by God Himself; the hope and comfort of Muslims; confounder and great defender of Christians - I command you, the Zaporogian Cossacks, to submit to me voluntarily and without any resistance, and to desist from troubling me with your attacks.

--Turkish Sultan Mehmed IV

The Cossacks' reply came as a stream of invective and vulgar rhymes, parodying the Sultan's titles:[citation needed]

Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan!

O sultan, Turkish devil and damned devil's kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou shalt not, thou son of a whore, make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck thy mother.

Thou Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, pig of Armenia, Podolian thief, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before God, grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw thine own mother!

So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. You won't even be herding pigs for the Christians. Now we'll conclude, for we don't know the date and don't own a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year with the Lord, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse!

>>383729240
tbqhwyf the solo fracs, raids, and dungeons are the best part of the game
oh well desu

Quick question

So I'm looking at the new bard stuff and I like what they've done with the songs, but it looks like it gets really good when I get to Trabadour. But I was wondering, with repertoire for Army's Paeon, it says that for each stack of rep I get, I basically get 4% haste. Does that apply to everyone affected by the song or just me?

>>383729615

Just you

>>383728535
>FFXIV is shit because there aren't any proc-based classes with short cooldowns
>this proc-based class with short cooldowns is shit because i have to press more than one button when procs aren't up!
WoWfaggots everyone. Typical tablet-using normalfag retards.

>>383726910
Shut the fuck up dude. WoW is the shittier game and you have to accept it. Nobody cares if XIV has objectively shittier combat as long as its alive, which WoW is not.

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>>383729864
>>383730068
like lil babies

>>383730068
FFXIV has objectively better combat though?

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>>383728535
>RM and DRK are 14's only difficult classes

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>>383693410
Runescape can be played completely solo, it's not as good as it used to be though.

>>383730128
Until the community nerfs it, like Steps of Faith requiring 8 people to communicate, or The Royal Menagerie requiring people to have actually played much of the content up to current level cap.

Then it all gets nerfed into faceroll content and the playerbase still shits itself and will quit that content since "TOO HARD x YEARS AGO!"

>>383693569
>>383725870
That game still has servers...?

>>383693493
so you can do something else than wait in a 40min queue

>>383729240
I mean, they could also hate the poorly designed classes and abilties. Possibly the horrid story content. Abysmal dungeons and raids. Unbelievably ugly graphics that have aged like milk. Overdesigned and bad looking armor sets. The cosmetics that look worse than a free korean game. Dumb PvP where you walk around looking for someone to do a specific and rigid combo on until one of you dies.

I mean, could be any one of those things really.

Why are XIVfags so delusional in thinking their combat is better than WoW?
Why haven't WoWfags ditched that sorry ass game?

Questions I ponder at night.

>>383730519
Menagerie will not be nerfed like Final Steps of Faith, screencap this.

delet Lilim Youkari

>>383730953
final steps of faith was never nerfed. you mean regular steps of faith. now that was nerfed and for good reason too because that fight was fucking ass, whatever makes it go by faster is a good thing.

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>attempt to solo potd
>randomly DC at 158
>instance immediately implodes
>party KO:1

>>383731060
I know FSoF wasn't nerfed, that's the point. People bitched about FSoF too, but it wasn't nerfed.

What do you think about Albion Online? It's worth it?

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>>383726319
>xddd fuc-king west coast servers i'm not even mad
>ddos kek! must be west coast servers still not mad tho
L mao laffin at u

>>383709316
>tfw getting vishap on roulette

Fuck that I rather fight nidhogg or shinryu and day

>>383731142
people stopped complaining about FSoF as soon as everyones average item level naturally went up and they added echo.

the same will happen with royal menagarie. people eventually will have higher stats so less deaths, echo will make things easier, etc

>>383731249
Of course, which is why Royal Menagerie won't be nerfed. Seeing people complain that it needs to be nerfed makes me laugh a lot though.

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>>383731249
is there a way to disable echo?

I want to do these EX runs without that crutch (although it's hard enough getting faggots that don't do unsynced in the first place)

>>383731413
right click the buff to remove it

>>383731413

Just right click the buff and it'll go away

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>tank complains to healer about not doing dps during a certain phase
>healer pulls the im a healer not dps card
>a fucking LIZARD girl as usual
>tank vote dismiss
>it passes

>>383726319
Why would it not be a DDOS? Server pops have been going down yet this is becoming more frequent. You dont realize how super fucked a company would be for making a fake DDOS claim since they have to report it to authorities.

XIV SPAMMERS GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUT

>>383731467
>>383731481
I know that but my party members won't do it

>>383731546
I wouldn't doubt DDOS attacks, especially since the new savage raid is coming out and people want those epic "lulz" when world first raiders are close to clearing on twitch livestream and then the servers crash.

>>383731496
>Let me play my assbackwards game and make sure we alienate everyone who doesn't join our erp club

Jesus man, the game is dying on its own. Why are you pushing more people away?