The International 2017 now has the LARGEST Prize Pool in the

>>383686560
>That progression and stagnation

Death will come before long. as it does for all things.

It'll still be League's bitch.

>>383687001
>League
I havn't seen anyone really talking about that game in ages, if anything is dying a slow death its that.

Except the servers are broken as fuck, unofficial tournaments are showing signs of weariness because Valve can't fucking announce the dates of their tournaments ahead of schedule, the custom campaign is crashing, the skin economy has trading restrictions all over it, the custom game scene is irreversibly dead as game developers are tired of Valve breaking their maps every patch, and peak/average players are on a decline for the past two years. They released a huge patch a year ago that added so much innovation to the game except that they didn't fucking test it beforehand and it broke the game in half for the better part of three months.

The biggest prize pool indicating they've adopted fresh new money leeching tactics from the players is not reflective of the sorry state of the game.

Hilariously it's still the best managed and best game. Doesn't change the fact it's a complete shit show that they don't want to fix anything in spite having cashed some $30-60 million per year on this single tournament.

>>383687294
>The servers are broken as fuck

Yeah I left for 2 months and now I started to play again, what the fuck happened? I randomly lag and my input gets ignored yet I can totally see my character walking into their deaths

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>>383686560
>largest prize pool
>trapped in a league patch where we never get out

fuck shrines meme back and how the map has changed.

What would you do with 20 million, /v/?

>>383686560
So, does this make it official that DOTA is the biggest normiebait casual cancer?

>>383687493
There was a catastrophic failure of the servers in India during maintenance on Friday. For some reason that has broken servers across America and Europe.

That's not even the problem. The real problem is that the front page of Reddit says nothing about this. And given that's the only fucking place Valve listens to then it only shows that the useless company we have is the company we deserve.

>>383687745
buy real estate build 15-20 houses with the money and sell or rent the space.

JEWS

>>383687745
cover myself in gold and walking naked on the street

>>383687751
Come on, you can reach harder than that.

>>383687745
Hire high class prostitutes every day for the rest of my life.

Dota is dying. But the whales stick around. They're the ones that keep buying battle passes and treasures and shit.

>>383688728
i dunno about every day, but at least weekly. starting with gianna michaels and then maserati

>>383689001
My friend is a whale. I look at him and yell at how he could give money to a company that won't spend a fucking cent of the money to hire people to ensure that players don't have to suffer through other players who can't fucking speak the same language as them.

The amount of psychological pain Valve perpetuates by not fixing the game is astounding and they are in the best position to address it and they don't.

>>383689001
a friend of mine has spent over 1000 on dota items this past year
he LITERALLY does not play the game at all, except to buy more cosmetics

>>383689787
I don't care about the language shit cause I hardly talk to randos

But this server shit is serious, seeing how its their highest played game and that the prize pool is 20 mil, meaning they pocketed at least 80 on the passes is unforgiveable

Seriously what the fuck is Valve even doing to deserve to pocket that money?

>>383687745
Two chicks at the same time.

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>>383686560
>crowd funded prize pool

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can someone explain to me how they're doing it when the playerbase is dying

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>>383686560
>crowdfunded prize pool
>25% of sales go to the prize pool
>75% goes to Valve
Best part is that Valve doesn't have to pay a single penny for it because you goyims are so gullible.

>>383690245
Server shit is serious but can be fixed. You can't rush that sort of thing and on I can imagine why there are delays. Except this is fucking Valve, and you know the precise reason why they're not fixed immediately is because the fucking company doesn't have a job position labelled, "Global Server Manager". Some poor bastard in the company with a background in programming looking to move up a pay grade in the company had to bake their fucking brains over the weekend trying to learn everything there is to know about servers and he along with all others are trying to fix the problem.

Server downtime can be measured. People can calculate the financial repercussions of it because there's a number attached to it. Although I'm willing to believe Valve doesn't have the staff to accomplish that; legitimate big companies like Google and Facebook have the (share-holder driven) professionalism to know that shit with a snap of the fingers.

My issue with the psychological pain is that you can't measure it. You can't measure how fucking cancerous or pissed off your community gets. But you can acknowledge that there are some practices that are goddamn disgusting and do absolutely nothing but perpetuate negative feelings.

Not having some way to prevent fucking scalpers from eating your TI tickets without penalties is one frustration that could be avoided. Not implementing voluntary region server lock to avoid playing this game with people who don't speak your native language is another. Restricting trading and market access with items we fucking paid for makes zero fucking sense when you're profiting off fees and only means people have to participate in the godawful gambling literal roulette wheel system where we can't just hand over fucking money for what we want.

Valve is THE private company. It's big, protected, and huge income. There is no other company like it and here it is being no different than a cancerous anti-consumer fuckwad like Facebook.

the biggest issue here for me is: do the pro players deserve these huge amount of moneyz?

>>383687294
>unofficial tournaments are showing signs of weariness because Valve can't fucking announce the dates of their tournaments ahead of schedule
not true anymore

>>383691424
Have you read this thread you fucking retard? Who gives a fuck if pros cash two million each or a hundred million each. Fuck them, they don't matter.

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>>383686560
>forcing the fans to provide the prize pool

Devious.

>>383692390
you realize that valve is putting up money?

>>383692390
you're really dumb and don't understand how profits work

>>383692390
No one is forcing anyone.

They've added several hundred little things that incentivize you to 'donate' and receive treasures.

It's not that players have gotten more generous each international, it's because they've added more items to buy each year. It seems to be reaching a limit though.

>>383692437
>This is what Pcbros believe
Valve doesn't pay a penny.

>>383686689
the only way the international doesn't get larger every year is if valve doesn't want it to

>>383694339
They put up 1.6 million

>>383690428
>b-but is dying i-i swear!!!!

Kek its just memes dude

>>383690106
steamspy's reported before that every time a big new PC game comes out, the numbers of all the popular games except dota 2 drop for a while, every single time.

>>383686560
Prize money isn't related to success of the e-sports scene, it's little more than an advertising budget these days.

>>383687294
Yep, still the best game humanity has managed to design. It seems to have even recovered from 7.00

I still want my fucking old UI back tho

>>383696082
Valve paid jack shit, retard.
The entire thing is funded by retards like you where 75% of the sales of an item goes to Valve and the rest goes to the prize pool.
>But that's okay because Valve is the one doing it :^)

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>All these mad quake and RTS fans trying to claim that Dota is casual despite never having played at +6k environment

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>>383696893

>>383696993

Dota 2 has easily the most successful community driven esports scene in the world

>>383690314
>>383690637
>>383692390

That's called being smart.

>>383697895
>community driven esports scene
>only one tournament matters per year

>>383687101
You are righr and wrong. i actively still play LoL on NA, and the population has capped. The game is actually in a really good place in terms of gameplay and meta and with the future removal of runes will be better.

However over in chinktown and gooksville, LoL is still fucking exploding. The game population of unique players is newrly 100 million and 75% of that is China and Korea alone. shit is bonkers

>>383692390
The most hilarious thing was people paying for their co-op DLC that will expire in a month and be forever unplayable again.

>>383699572
Matters to who? To you?

To the players and the fans, there are about a dozen tournies per year that truly 'matter'.

>hurr durr the National League Championship Series doesn't matter because 2 weeks later is the World Series

What a stupid criticism, lmao

>>383692437
>>383693262
Retards holy shit

>>383687745
You realize it gets taxed and then divided between all the players, right? With some of it most likely going to sponsors as well.
So it's far less in reality per person.

>>383700372
>Give valve money
>the money now belongs to Valve, the ball is in their court
>they give 1.6 million dollars to pro Dota teams to come play at their tourney
>B-BUT THAT DOESN'T COUNT THAT MONEY ISN'T THERE'S EVEN AFTER PEOPLE WILLINGLY GAVE THEM IT
>MONEY BELONGS TO YOU EVEN AFTER YOU HAVE SPENT IT

>>383687745
Get my degree.
Move to Japan.

>>383692390
Today's consumers are so fucking dumb, especially in the videogame industry, that you literally do not need to even try and coerce them in any way to throw all their shekels at you.
Valve are fucking masterminds, the amount of money they make on the Steam market alone is astounding.

>>383686560
>I thought you said DOTA 2 was dying
it was dying until they fixed it with the recent patch

it is dying, the prize pool just keeps increasing because they keep bundling more and more shit into the compendium

>>383701209

It's not dying, it has stagnated

Learn the difference

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>>383702290
>stagnation
>it goes up every single year

>>383702501

Stagnation means slowing or absence of growth

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>>383702649
>it grows every year = absence of growth

>>383687745
Buy choccy milk

>>383702787
Or slowing.

>>383686689
>stagnation
are you high? Its still getting bigger its just that NOW it passed the last year prizepool.
Its eastimated that it will hit about 25 million this year

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TI3>TI5>TI2>TI6>TI4

there's no need to prove anything since this is the only correct answer

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>>383687294
>They released a huge patch a year ago that added so much innovation to the game except that they didn't fucking test it beforehand and it broke the game in half for the better part of three months.

Sounds exactly like Valve to me, when can we stop pretending Gabe is god because he gives us 60% discounts?

>>383703261
>I judge the entire tourney based off whether chinks make the final or not

Wings played more heroes en route to their TI win than any other TI winning team before them.

>but watching Lone Druid, Furion and Wisp every game is better because Europeans are playing them

tell me I'm wrong in my estimation of your rankings, you know I'm not.

>>383686560
The prizepool is mostly funded by players, what are you talking about?
People buy compendiums just for the shitty skins they can sell on the marketplace

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All me

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>>383702787

>reading comprehension

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>>383703778
>stagnation means constant growth

>>383703641
>mostly
completely*

>>383703591
only alliance played furion or lone TI3 hero pool is huge compared to others TI.

I don't play league, but you know that if they put even a small % of what people pay for microtransactions in that game into a tournament pool, it would blow $20m out of the water
Just because you're the only fanbase dumb enough to directly line the pro's pockets doesn't mean your game isn't dying, actuallly, the fact that this much money was spent on non-gameplay cosmetics means that the game itself is actually dying, while the hat economy is booming
soon it'll be full of people just here for cosmetic dress up time and valve can dumb down the game even more for them

also
>paying for "tickets" to an online tournament
lovin' every laugh

>>383687101
>finally removing runes
Is the talent tree gone too? So much stupid shit barring optimizing in that game because you need to spend so much game currency buying stupid shit for each character.

>>383704196
LoL did this and they barely reached 3 million, also they did it AFTER saying they don't need crowdfunding. lmao

>>383704223
runes are literally the only thing you need to buy for each char, and even then you can fit 80% of the usable champions into a generic runepage with only minor variances if any for their role. talent trees are just a dumb novelty but I doubt they'll get rid of them, getting rid of unique features is a bad idea, and it removes a sense of progression with levels, and turns it into a grind.

>>383704041
https://www.thescoreesports.com/news/9580

>lying through your teeth

>>383704196
>the game is dying because I say so
>gives a bunch of 'reasons' that don't logically follow his argument like "people are spending so much money on the game, that means it's dying!!"

>company like Riot put up niggardly prize pool after selling hundreds of millions of dollars worth of cosmetics (and heroes)
>company like Valve puts up largest prize pool in history after transparently raising money from selling cosmetics and other shit

>one of these companies gets a shitload of flack

hmmm

>League of 3 hits for procc gap closer tanky dps
>Relevant

>>383704432
you can't deny that the gameplay has already been dumbed down with fountains and the teleports to shrines around the map
its only a matter of time until they do it more to grab the tf2 idle/trade audience

>>383704804
I can and do deny that adding game mechanics = dumbing down.

Post your dotabuff / MMR to show that you know what you're talking about and not just talking random total bullshit.

>>383686560
Should I just go back to playing WC3 doto? I fucking hate the map changes and meme shrines.

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>>383686560
>When you need to sell virtual shit to keep your esports scene alive

>>383704734
>company A, a one trick pony with one popular game puts their own money up for tournament
>company B, a company that owns the largest PC gaming store/community and 3 of the biggest games on it puts up a small amount and makes the community pay for the rest
gee I wonder why people don't like that

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>>383690428
finally both LoL and dota lost 20% of its playerbase. Are they finally actually playin' games instead of buying $30 costumes

>>383705005

What companies are you even talking about?

Company A gets their money from somewhere, right? I'd guess it's the consumer, just like company B. They're also a billion dollar company and the biggest video game on PC, grossing the most amount of any video game out there. All from people like you, remember. It's money you gave them.

Do you propose company B take money from their other games and funnel it into that game? Doesn't seem fair. It's also the largest prize pool in history - and considering the game that company B made has fewer players and is earning less money, you'd think they'd put a smaller amount in the prize pool than company A, but that isn't the case. Interesting desu.

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>>383705005
>Valve sells people a completely optional product
>They then choose to divy up 1/4th of their profit (their own money) and give it away just like that
>somehow that is "making" the community pay for it

>McDonalds creates Ronald McDonald House for Families of Sick Children
>uses money they make from selling cheeseburgers to provide free housing and care for families of terminally ill children
>OH BUT MCDONALDS IS JUST MAKING THE COMMUNITY PAY FOR IT

>I do not understand economics / logic in general

>>383705253
You think Dota 2 is not 'actually playin' games' and just buying costumes?

You must be 9k mmr.

>>383705517
i meant other vidya

>>383705435
wait so only 25% of the proceedings actually go towards the tourney pool? and yall are suckin valve dick over their generosity?
amazing, valve has truly found the ultimate cash cow in the dota/tf2/cs:go communities
I wish I thought of their business model 10 years ago

>>383705708

amazing compared to the fraction of a penny that other companies put into their tournaments

>>383705708
>renting the building the tourney takes place in is free
>all the hundreds of people who will have to work together to stage the event should work for free
>the Dota 2 servers we all play on should magically work free of charge
>Valve / everyone should just give me free things all the time and not try to make money themselves ever!!

>>383704420
league did it for 25% of one single skin of a very niche character. literally 3$ per skin purchase.

think about that. this years worlds will have multiple skins at higher %, it will be huge.

>>383704432
How many heroes were added between TI3 and TI6?

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>>383705708
>companies are not allowed to make money

>>383705968
its almost like most companies plan ahead for their tournament expenses, spend what they need to, and then make the money back during/afterwards via advertising and the new people it brings to the community
Valve has found out a way to pay for their tournaments by shitting out a few scarves and staves for people to buy off them, removing the initial overhead while still getting all the benefits of the tournament
Like I said earlier, pretty genius

>>383706068
well they do ahave the larger userbase.
so if they did the exact same thing as valve is doing they would naturally generate a fuckhuge pool.
Which weirdly enough is what thy're afraid of it seems.

>>383705708

what the fuck people pay for the shit valve sells not for increasing the prize money.

if you want that 100% of your money goes into the prize pool you can do that.

just paypal your money to the winners when the tournament is over.

wtf is wrong with you.

>>383706326
>Valve should make money the way I say so!!
>Valve should just release Dota 2 for free and never try to make money off of it in anyway!!
>Hats and scarves are inherently bad for some reason (??? no explanation, personal opinion)

What is your argument? That The International should be fully paid for by Valve, and that Valve shouldn't release hats and scarves? Is there a reason you hold those opinions or you just have that opinion because you have it?

>>383706364
We will see how it goes this year. Riot anounced a lot about their profit sharing. One example is the New SKT T1 skins from thr last worlds championship, a bunch of the money from those sales go to thr players of the org. I am sure this year the Championship skin purchases will go 50% or so to the tourney

>>383706846
Yes, Valve's tournament should be paid for by Valve, because Valve is the company that will directly benefit and from it
I am saying that I have seen what happens to games once gameplay takes a backseat to paid cosmetics. That clearly hasn't happened yet to Dota 2 because people obviously still really care about the game itself, but you can't trust game companies to do anything but what's best for their wallets. In this case, that's making the game more accessible and adding more cosmetics instead of balancing the game or adding new heroes. When that happens, many people will still play the game even though they don't like it because of the sunk cost fallacy (I've already put this much time/money into this game/investment so I should just stick to it) which is bad in general for gaming
And supporting it just makes it okay for other companies to do it, so you'll definitely see a lot more crowd funded tourneys in the future
Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong

>>383706495
I don't understand it but somewhere our western society broke in fucking half and we collectively decided that giving money for a job well done was not something anybody was willing to do.

Instead of awarding a winner of anything something, we're just so fucking corrupt that we cannot just give them money - when money is infinitely more useful than the crap we give out today. We won't pay artists money for their music or literature thinking they get paid enough when in reality the producers take most of their money.

We're ass-deep in water bottles, t-shirts, gift-cards and other useless pieces of donated shit nobody wants and buying each other more useless shit each year because of Christmas when all we want is some fucking money. People are just too fucking shitty to make the effort to hand someone cash dollars, that's why they pay Valve to give it to them.

>>383707486
I can't tell you you're wrong because everything you post is just your (shitty) opinion. Everything in your post is pure speculation about what you think is going to happen to Dota 2 / gaming in general because Valve crowdfunds the prize pool for their video game that they let everyone play 100% free of charge.

I gladly pay more than the basic $15 for the Compendium, I buy extra levels, I spent $50 dollars this year.

>so you'll definitely see a lot more crowd funded tourneys in the future

Good, the free market works.

>Yes, Valve's tournament should be paid for by Valve, because Valve is the company that will directly benefit and from it

So you should never give away money if it doesn't directly benefit you? You shouldn't give to charity or donate to someone who is sick even if you only get a little peace of mind from it? Why do you care so much what people who aren't you do with their own money? All of your posts boil down to

>Wahhh people are spending their money wrong, they should spend their money how I say

>>383707945
>pure speculation
the same shitty thing happened to TF2, which is also owned by valve
>comparing giving money to a company's tournament to giving to charity
I give to charity because it benefits people that have lower income/ability to make income than me, and I don't spend money on valve cosmetics because they get more money than they need

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>tfw dota will never go out of its bubble and die slowly but surely because the company is too busy cashing in on esports

focusing too much on esports will be the death of this game tell ya hwat

>>383686560
>esports

This is why vidya caters to faggots now.

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>>383710161
that lazy fuck doesn't even play dota anymore

>>383710161
He's a partner. The DotA team could shit the bed, he could stop playing entirely, or a million disasters but he'll come out okay.

He doesn't have the freedom to leave the team unfortunately. If that inhibits his desire to constantly play top-level DotA then I guess that's something to feel really bad about.

He's been the only player I could care about. Everyone else is an asshole. He could objectively have fallen behind in skill and is just dead weight and I couldn't care less; he's probably among only a handful of people in the whole community who isn't a complete piece of garbage.

>>383710548
What the fuck
Dota is truly dead

>>383710675
Honestly almost every pro streamer I come across seems like a huge cunt full of childish memes. Where did modesty and fun go?

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>>383703897

>stagnation can't be constant growth
>he doesn't look at the nature of growth instead of it just existing

>>383687745
Get better depression medication.

>>383712495
The fun and modesty died when the community decided that being an asshole was perfectly acceptable behavior. It's certainly explains why the premier celebrity in this game is Slacks. Or dipshits like EE become immortalized in the game.

I'm not terribly surprised it went that way. DotA was always full of cantankerous people. The game makes it easy to be assholes; the development of a professional scene where people can cite pro-play to shift blame from themselves (you picked bad, you didn't do this new meta shit) just made it all the worse.

I always hear that shit "this is good right now" "they nerfed that" "this is how the pros play it". It's all bullshit. You're not a fucking pro otherwise you wouldn't be playing with or against me. It's like they use their knowledge of the pro scene to avoid getting good. I personally can't play Tinker, but I know that no matter what fucking patch comes out he will do what he does well. And when some dipshit tells me that Tinker isn't good right now it offends me when Tinker could easily savage the game we're in right now.