>Play mafucking Diablo 2 for hundreds of hours during early

>>383682006
bait thread
d2 is fine fuck off


What is everyone rolling for diablo 3 season 11 though

>>383682006
nostalgia is a powerful thing

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How can i trigger my D3 playing friends... i fucking hate that game

>>383682006
Killing yourself and making this world a better place.

The engine is for sure better in D3 but the content is nothing compared to D2.

>>383682045
Actually I'm playing it now, and Diablo 2 is only Nostalgia Zombie. Besides superior to godly level art design and OST, there's nothing good in this game. It's literaly Potion picker Simulator. Items are meaningless, literaly upgrade first skill to 20 and win, #roadtohellmeme. It's not like Diablo 3 is good, it's bad, but actually Gameplay is much funnier than Diablo 2. I'm playing D2 right now only because of Art Design, Soundtrack, and maybe VA(kurwa country here), but for sure not for gameplay.

>>383682130
>what is PoE

>>383682095
You don't have nostalgia the first time you played it.

You become spoiled.
>I played this game ages ago
>Recently played the sequel that got released later, has more stuff and better technology attached to it
>WOOOOWWW why is the old one so bad compared to it?!

>>383682045
Probably crusader, ain't done one since it was released. I was thinking necromancer but those unit limits suck and the sets are pretty dull

>>383682336
bad animations lol

>>383682006
We didn't.

>>383682336
a shit game

>>383682491
sorry about your taste

>>383682605
the game is mechanically inferior to games from 2000

99.9% of an ARPG is the Gameplay and it has bad gameplay. Not even gonna talk about the MMO tier droprates with a playerbase of about <1000

>>383683186
>Not even gonna talk about the MMO tier droprates with a playerbase of about <1000
try around 20k concurrent players right before a major expansion, retard

*click*click*click*click*click*click*click*click*click*click*click*click*click*click*

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>>383684135
diablo games should be third person like dark souls

>>383683835
>being this delusional
theres a reason they only display the current steam players and dont publically display the non-steam players

>>383683835
Yeah a major expansion that keeps getting delayed
a """"major expansion""" with 1 or 2 new skills

what a joke of a fucking game

>>383682314
This

>>383682332
> items are meaningless in D2 but useful in D3

Bait at its finest.

>>383684227
yeah I'm sure it's a conspiracy
regardless steam is estimated as half so that's still 10 k concurrent
>>383684271
the point is that player count is lowest just before an expansion
they reached 65k concurrent steam players this february, a sub-1000 playerbase is retardation

>>383682006
>we
Shut the fuck up.

>>383682006
I still play it and it will forever be superior to shitty ass D3.

>>383682332
> Gameplay is much funnier than Diablo 2

Nice try.
> Diablo 3
> You have to play THIS build
> no fun allowed

>>383682006
d3 is good the problem is that its casual as fuck

diablo 2 was good but its too shallow since the game came out a long time ago and has no new features

PoE is the sequel to diablo2 if you want more of the same

diablo 3 is prob the best arpg to play if its your first time tho

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>>383684492

>>383684552
another part of the problem of diablo 3 is that the art style sucked ass
like pure, distilled ass

>>383682045
>25fps engine
yeah nah, get fucked nostalgiafag

>>383684884
> Diablo 2 locked at 25FPS
> How can I unlock this?!

Back to your console, disgusting 3rd world poorfag, if you aren't able to afford a PC that can run D2 in 2017.

>>383684545
>met(g)afaggot

good goy, you did it. you leveled up to 70. here's your complimentary set. don't worry. we've done all the work for you so you don't have to think at all. just keep buying our products.

>>383685284
are you literally retarded?

>>383682363
>those unit limits suck
You can have a max of about 20 skeletons in D2. You can have a max of 18 in D3. What a horrible fucking travesty that you can't get 2 more skeletons.

>>383682314
This. Diablo improved its engine but lost its soul.

>>383684448
>the point is that player count is lowest just before an expansion
In what world has this ever been true for any game?

>>383682006
Diablo 1 is by far the darkest and most adult of the storylines. Diablo 2, comes a reasonable second but with much less claustrophobia. Diablo 1's genius was it's fixation on Tristram and the inescapable dread that emanated from the Cathedral, something the village NPC's were more than happy to testament to. As soon as the Diablo series became more geographically broad, it also watered down the atmosphere clearly present in Tristram. That village was cursed, and no other place in the lore ever came close.

>>383682130
You can't because people who play D3 are normal people, not turbonerds who would feel triggered by someone not liking the game they choose to play.

>>383684545
Show me your Fissure Druid build in Hell :)

>>383682130
Just be you, I'm sure they'll drop your autistic ass in no time.

>>383682006
i was the exact opposite. i dropped d3 and have played d2 more than any other game the last couple of years

i also played thousands of hours of diablo 2 but i never got "bored" with the game, rather my Jedi Academy clan transitioned into a Guild Wars guild and GW took up all my focus and time.

>>383682006
I started playing D3 again to try the necromancer and I'm reminded of how mindless it is. Just grinding rifts to get drops to grind slightly higher level rifts.

>>383682006
Who still plays this antiquated genre?

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>>383682332
>forcing yourself to play a VIDEO GAME only for art design, soundtrack and voice acting
>flaunting your shitty opinions
Stop it, for your own good.

>>383682006
>mephisto and bael in HotS never

diablo lore is dead

I play Path of Diablo, it's really good desu. Some minor things I don't agree with but overall a huge improvement. The charm inventory in particular is a really nice addition to D2.

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>>383682006

>>383686919
Why would you play just before all your progress is made invalid? Either way, here's the stats themselves: http://steamcharts.com/app/238960

It's just grinding either way.

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Another thing to consider is that our standards SHOULD be higher for Diablo 3.

It's far newer, the company has more funds and more experience. They should have delivered a product that was unequivocally better, not up to debate on a Taiwanese catfish gutting forum.

>>383689198
It's had such a weird lifespan so far. The game they launched was so different to the game as it is now.

>>383689198
Obviously standards should be higher for newer releases but you shouldn't call a previous game shit just because the newer one is better.

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>>383686767

>20 skeletons
>Max

>>383689198
blizzard is dead an expecting anything good from them is pointless.

>>383682006

D3 sucks. Bad music, art direction, areas, etc. The gameplay is sorta ok but d2 is more complex and fun. 3 is stupidly easy too.

PoE is better than both imo though.

>>383691425
>D2X clones.
>Complex.
>End game is spam one skill against helpless hordes while completely ignoring every enemy mechanic in the game.

>>383686767
You can "have" summons in D3 in the sense that you have to be non-stop summoning shit because everything dies in 7 seconds. This isn't necromancy, this is a joke.

>>383689381
It's almost like blizz have no clue what they're doing.

>>383689381
>game was so different
Are you seriously calling the series of band-aids they've administered "different"? The underlying mechanics and game design philosophy (of which there never was one) are all the same.

>>383691425
Every time I see someone play PoE, it's them mindlessly stomping everything with absolute ease. Where's the difficulty? In D2, you're always kept somewhat in check by immunities in hell. Unless you're a hammerdin.

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>>383682006
>blatant bait
>it will get 500 replies
Jesus, how did we think this was fun?

>>383694245
Personally I posted because I love D2. Top 3 games of all time for me. D3 is okay, I spent about 600 hours on it, but it can't hold a candle to D2.

>>383682006
>d3 is fast and fluid
>d2 is dull
D3 doesn't even have pvp, you're grinding against predictable as fuck monsters endlessly, what's fun about that? The only fluid involved is the blood the game sucks out of you.

And unless there's a necromancer with +$230% movespeed buffs and enigma going off every half a second I simply cannot understand what the fuck is fast about this game either.

How do you justify playing such garbage?
D2 was good for it's time.
D3 will be shit forever.

>>383694125
Let me guess, what you see when you "see someone play PoE", is one of a dozen streamers who do nothing in their life but play the game, playing with some easymode memebuild, and you've only ever seen people farimng low level maps.

There's plenty of challenge in the game, I haven't made a character that can consistently kill Uber Atziri 2 years after she's been released.

>>383682006
Diablo 1 was the best of the series, not even being a hipster about it
Diablo 1 was more unforgiving and made you tread more carefully, without mentioning that you didn't had to deal with such cancerous bloated loot system
I wish they had kept the Diablo1 difficulty formula of having more dangerous enemies than a sea of trash mobs

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>>383694485
>succubi in D1
>soul burners in hell difficulty as a sorc

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>>383695990
>that difficulty spike from caves to hell
>tfw my coop camapaign with a friend was the best experience in any Diablo like ever

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reminder

>>383682006
rose tinted nostalgia glasses

old games are actually shit

>>383682006
D3 is about as smooth as gravel.
D2 is aged but still solid.

>>383696312
>enter my basic life & mana on hit zealer

oh look it's fucking nothing

>>383691617
I don't care to debate but surely you realize this exact same complaint has been constantly levelled at d3, right?

>>383696343
This. Most old games pre-2010 have aged like milk. Only autistic nostalgia fags can enjoy them.

>>383697181
most games in general are garbage so of course most old games are going to be bad. The ones that remain in the public consciousness are usually good and withstood the test of time. Like Doom for example. Plenty of people played it for the first time when nu-doom was announced, and enjoyed it.

>>383682045
Barbarian I think, maybe monk.

>Not playing MedianXL
shiggy

>>383682045
>playing d3
>ever

>>383691617
>>383697046
Spamming your damage skill with the help of some support skills (movement etc) + trading like the jewest jew are the core of that genre. Bitching about it is like saying that you only jump around and shoot in Quake.

>a game that is considered one of the best PC games requires no skill you just click on your enemies and your character automatically attacks

>>383698653
Name 3 games that require "skill". I gladly simplify them to one sentence.

>>383698731
Devil May Cry 3
Dark Souls
Ghosts 'N Goblins

why is this bait? didn't played D3 but going back to d2 is not as cool as it used to be.

>>383698958
>Devil May Cry 3
>Dark Souls
You dodge a pattern and push attack.

>Ghosts 'N Goblins
Just avoid the undead and demons and trow shit at them.

Literally no skill involved. At least in Diablo 2 you need to read the skills, lol

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>>383698958
>Dark Souls

Diablo 2 felt more cinematic somehow, I can't explain it, very strange, hmm isn't that right

>>383696312
If only there was some way to resist lightning

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>>383699131
>cinematic

>>383682130
In a way related to D3? You can't. If they play D3 then clearly they are comfortable with their own tastes and opinions.

>>383686767
>not going beyond the limitations they tried sticking on you

>>383699103
>You dodge a pattern and push attack.
>Just avoid the undead and demons and trow shit at them.

But that requires skill unlike Diablo.

>>383699289
How's dodging and learning patterns in Diablo different to meme souls or GnG?

>>383684135
/thread
What a completely shit genre

>>383699346
You don't need to learn anything in Diablo. You just point and click. The enemies don't even move fast or anything.

>>383699346
Because there is no dodging or timed attacks in Diablo. It's just clicking until everything dies

>>383699450
>>383699494
OK, so you never played Diablo. Fucking 90's kids, man.

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>>383699494
>Because there is no dodging or timed attacks in Diablo.

>>383699494
>>383699589
I played Diablo 2 for about 3 hours and was bored out of my fucking mind because all I did was click on enemies until they all died. Btw, timing ability Cool downs doesn't count as "timed attacks"

>>383699742
Also for
>>383699524

>>383699346
In diablo you walk to the side of the fallen shaman fireball, but if you get hit it deals like 20% of your infinitely replenishing health pool
In dark souls you need to push a certain button that drains your stamina and the timings are much more strict as well as having trash mobs that can deal half your very precious life in a combo

>>383699742
>>383699774
>I didn't played a game and yet I think my retarded opinion matters
Retarded neo-/v/.

>>383699830
Se above.

>>383699742
>I played Diablo 2 for about 3 hours
what did he mean by this

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>>383682006
>Jesus, how did we think this was fun?
Stop right there faggot, don't say "we", there's no "we" here, just you and your shit opinion.

Diablo 3 is "smoother and faster" because it abandons the depth and minutae of D2 in favor of a cheap, easy experience. D3 is the game you play for a few days and then get bored, whereas D2 is the game you play for years and years and still keep coming back to. The gameplay and combat itself is satisfying, the atmosphere is incredible, the music is some of the best VG has ever produced, and the multiplayer alone fucks D3 into the dirt. If you actually think that this trash game holds half of a shit-covered candle to D2, you have clearly never played PvP, made an awesome character with super rare gear, or engaged in the myriad social activities. You are a normie, and you are retarded. I'm glad you are enjoying your game made for literal autists, but it is not better.

>>383699954
Clicking is not gameplay though

>>383699921
I played a shitload of diablo 2 and I love the game. It's still pretty much all walking to the side and positioning yourself in a non-retarded way. I might have exaggerated the weakness of diablo attacks but it's still far easier than a proper action game.

same feel with resident evil 4

when you experience better controls, anything else feels like garbage and if the game doesn't control to your tastes, then the entire game will suck

point and click controls suck by the way, wasd + mouse all the way

>>383699131
Atmospheric might be the word you're looking for

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>>383700323
>Clicking is not gameplay though
Look at this faggot. Look at this faggot and laugh. "kek klicking ain't gamepluh bro". Really, because it's how you interact with just about... every single PC game ever made. What kind of autistic logic are you even using to form this cumstained opinion? The gameplay isn't "clicking", the gameplay is good combat, finding items that aren't total trash, runewords, jewels, good crafting, PvP, trading, 8-player games, good community, good art style, good music, good story. None of this is found in D3. D3 is a shit game. End of story.

>>383684135
>complaint: you click a lot
how compelling anon

>>383700352
>still far easier than a proper action game
Different kind of skill m8. Like comparing reading comprehension and juggling shit. And "action" games aren't even hard, you just need to learn some patterns and they are easy as fuck, just trial and error for a bit.

>>383682045
whatever set drops first is my build

Is bonemancer or poisonmancer more fun?

>>383682006
>diablo 3
>smooth and faster
fuck off shill

>>383700720
I enjoy poisonmancer the most but they are both great fun. There's something oddly satisfying about emenating toxic burst of poisons from you and watching everything in sight die 3 seconds later.

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What are some good games for a Diablo fan like me?

>>383700852
>he thinks you click in clicker games
LOMA, you don't even play these. Dumb console kid.

>>383700530
Watching waves of enemies run at you while you click on them is not gameplay

>>383682336
Pillar of Eternity is pretty good

>>383700990
Watching enemies repeating a pattern while you push buttons is not gameplay.

they should rerelease the games on steam

>>383701031
A disappointment unfortunately

Still, I remain enamored with Obsidian, they're pretty great.

>>383700990
>Watching waves of enemies run at you while you click on them is not gameplay
Wrong faggot. Watching waves of enemies run at you while you mindlessly hold down a button is not gameplay, because that is the definiton of Diablo 3. It sounds like you play D3 on console and have never played a PC game in your life, so it isn't surprising that you are mentally retarded. I guarantee you have even't played D2.

>>383701097
Controlling the movement of a character in a 3 dimensional space while you dodge and time individual attacks/blocks is gameplay though

The only good isometric action gameplay of all time is in the first Witcher game which ironically is declared by the masses (who are wrong, but still) to have some of the worst combat of all time. And it's just Diablo combat but fixed.

>>383701176
Never played Diablo 3 in my life. I played Diablo 2 for 3 hours.

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>>383701281
>I didn't make it past what is essentially the tutorial of Diablo 2
>I've never played the game I'm arguing in favor of
t. autistic 19 year old

>>383700625
They're still harder and also have more mechanical complexity
Even in something fairly basic like dark souls you're at least running around with something like ten different attacks plus parrying/blocking/rolling/sprinting/spells/items, in diablo you mainly have a one-size-fits-all damage dealer and a few support skills
It's commendable to blizzard north that they still managed to make combat fun and satisfying despite being so simple, but I really think it's holding the genre back

>>383694245
>OP has a different opinion than me it must be baito desu!!!11!2@@1!!!!11!
get the fuck off my board

>>383682006
Fuck now I want top replay D2.

>>383684209
Oh, you mean like Dark Souls?

>>383701424
>play game for 3 hours
>it's boring shit from beginning to end if that time
>it totally gets better guys!
I'm sorry I never got addicted to loot drops. Clicking on enemies as the only form of interaction besides special cool down abilities is the most boring form of gameplay I can imagine. If Diablo 3 let's you just hold down a button that sounds even worse

>>383700852
Titan Quest is the best Diablo 2 rip off game there is.

>>383700852
Nox

>>383701669
>I'm sorry I never got addicted to loot drops
Okay bud, let's hear your three favorite games. I want to know what's going on inside the head of a faggot who can't enjoy an awesome game like this, consider it a case study.

>Clicking on enemies as the only form of interaction besides special cool down abilities
Are you actually autistic? I'm not even being insulting, I'm seriously curious, because only someone on the spectrum could make this kind of argument. It's a fucking action RPG retard, whether you are "clicking" on an enemy or pushing a button, you are going to press some kind of button that makes your character attack something. No fucking shit. That isn't what the entire game is about. The game is about finding hordes of good loot, crafting unique items, making unique runewords, exploring a randomly generated environment with all kinds of treasures and shrines, fighting other people in PvP, rushing bosses together, tons of shit. If you are seriously too stupid to understand how the game isn't just about "clicking on enemies" the entire time, then I'm glad, because you don't deserve to enjoy a badass game like Diablo 2. Like I said, you are probably 19, and Dark Souls was probably your first ARPG which you consider to be the epitome of the genre.

>>383701252
>souls series
>real 3 dimensional space
Thanks for confirming that you are retarded.

>>383701483
>They're still harder and also have more mechanical complexity
I didn't say which one is more "harder", they are really different genres so is comparing apples and orange. I said (probably to the consoletard) that they don't really require "skill". Souls series are easy, you just need to practice them.

>Last time played D3 was when the real money auction house was a thing
>Decide to try it again after the expansion went on sale
>Try out Crusader
>Around level 30 find a legendary that increases blessed hammer cast speed and damage by 100% + it has a socket for even more damage via gem
>Find another legendary later that removes the wrath cost of blessed shield and ANOTHER legendary that increases the ricochet count + various other rares that directly increase the skill's damage
Kinda fun. Equipment seems to have went from stat slaves to game changing. Kinda funny nuking bosses in a few hits, but that's usually pretty typical for early game in this genre.

>>383702017
If I were to say my favorite games, based on combat alone, I'd say Doom, God of War 2, and Max Payne 3

Diablo 2 felt like playing an RTS with a single unit. I also can't stand assfaggots games for this purpose, because I love Rts games like age of empires and company of heroes.

>>383701669
>D2
>special cool down abilities
So, you were lying about playing it for 3 hours, right? Be sincere.

>>383702305
No I played it for 3 hours but it was about 3 years ago

>>383684135
If only a media where you dont need any kind of input existed, say a series of images in rapid sussesion aided by sound that tells a compelling story...

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>>383694382
>D3 doesn't even have pvp.
Want to know how I know you haven't played it since it had a real gold auction house?

>>383702342
So, guess you were 9 and your memories of it blurry?

>>383699954
>Endless Cow and Baal farming trains.
>Depth.

Wooha ha hahaahah!

>>383702453
No I was 21 and yes the memories are relatively blurry. I remember trying to think about how I could rebind the controls to minimize clicking and realizing that the special abilities could be tied to hot keys but movement and combat were both clicking.

>>383702473
You also set a bot to farm Mephisto :^)

Jokes aside, console peasants can't configure a bot to save their life, hence D2 requires more skill.

>>383702116
Practicing so you gain a new ability sounds like aqcuiring (a) skill to me. I don't remember having to git gud at combat in diablo 2, it was pretty smooth sailing for 12 year old me.

>>383682006
This desu. I haven't played Diablo 2 but 3 is just so much nicer to look at and play

>>383702543
>I remember trying to think and it was awful
I feel bad for your family.

>movement and combat were both clicking
>KB+mouse, the ultimate control, is terrible
Dumb console kid.

>>383702654
H*cka fr**kin ebin

>play diablo 1 for years
>ignore diablo 2 when it comes out
>eventually touch it
>it's godlike and you love every second of it
>will never touch diablo 3

feels good

>>383702706
No, you missed my point. I was trying to make the game utilize the keyboard and mouse instead of just the mouse you dumb retard. I can hardly stand not using a keyboard and mouse for games. I bought a xim4 just for single a player games on my consoles

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console d3 beats d2 at being comfy

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>tfw I never drop The grandfather despite thousands of pindle runs

>>383702628
Souls series is a smooth sailing for the current 12 year olds. And you need to "learn" how to play diablo too.

I have bad news for you bro, but video games don't require a lot of "skill", just a bare minimum of practice.

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>>383683186
being so fucking delusional and defensive because muh blizzard game is inferior to a f2p in every way.

In WHAT way is it mechanically inferior to games from 2000, Im listening.

playing poe, diablo 2 and 3 for the first time and I fucking love them
you guys are fucking idiots

>>383702843
>too dumb to configure diablo 2
And you dare to call others "retard" LOMA. Stick to consoles and never post in a PC game thread again, you dumb fuck.

>>383702879
I don't think souls games are that easy.

>>383703040
Yes or no: can you bind movement in Diablo to real time WASD controls?

>>383701424
>dude it gets better 900 hours in when you've grinded for the right legendaries for your build!!!

lmao

>>383702278
Awful taste, opinion discarded.

>>383703135
>can you cripple you controls?
I'm pretty sure you can mod that.

>>383689873
>Old as fuck patches are relevant.

>>383703161
Not awful taste, all three of those games are peak for their genre of 3d combat. Doom is impeccable, God of War 2 is fun as fuck with great boss battles and only the most autistic DMC kids shit on it, and Max Payne 3 has the most fluid and skillful TPS combat of all time

You're trying to defend a game where the sole interaction of the combat system is clicking on enemies.

>>383697181
Out of curiosity, anon, what is your opinion on Rollercoaster Tycoon?
Cave Story?

>>383702249
the whole itemization dropped rares in favor of absurd set bonuses and legendary skill effects

>>383702278
> I'd say Doom
>I like a game where you literally do nothing except look for keys and shoot all of 5 or 6 enemies over and over with 8 weapons, but boy do I hate clickfests
Okay, as I suspected, you are autistic. Good day.

>>383703072
Again, what's hard about them? Just trial and error. Like 2ho, but easier.

>>383703347
Doom has skillful real time movement that takes into account the God tier level and enemy design

Diablo 2 is just clicking on enemies and hoping you get better items

>>383703308
The sole interaction in any game is clicking things or pushing buttons. Nice argument kid.

>>383698653
where as in real games you press (controller button) and your character automatically attacks

wow why did i ever play this abortion that is D2?

>>383697181
>This. Most old games pre-2010 have aged like milk. Only autistic nostalgia fags can enjoy them.
What a fucking terrible opinion. I bet you like faggot shit like Uncharted and The Last of Us.

>>383703442
Exactly; "or" pushing buttons. Good games have you do both, or at least make you have to skillfully click and push buttons

Just clicking on enemies is boring as fuck

>>383703524
Why are you in the thread when you clearly don't enjoy the games being discussed? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>383703308
>a game where the sole interaction of the combat system is clicking on enemies
Do you play with your mind? Maybe Doom with a steer wheel?

>>383703421
>Doom has skillful real time movement that takes into account the God tier level and enemy design
That would be Quake, bud.

>Diablo 2 is just clicking on enemies and hoping you get better items
You're right, and video games are just pushing buttons and watching colors flash. What an idiot.

>>383682006
fucking faggot baiting nigger literally kill yourself after removing the rest of your family from the gene pool

>>383703603
It's quake and doom.
>>383703579
>>383703603
You guys know what I'm talking about. Mindlessly tapping LMB is not a fun and interactive form of combat for a shit load of people. Trying to defend that while at the same time criticizing Doom blows my mind

>>383682045
Necro, i already got an inarius set for him.

>>383702879
he's trying to legitimize videogames as a sport, lay off man! esports are hard and require a lot of skill

>>383703603
>That would be Quake, bud.
He said Doom (not even Doom 2) to get some "e-creed" and support from other anons. I doubt he played it for more than "3 hours 3 years ago", just like Diablo.

>>383703568
Because I saw somebody post the click click click shit post but that's my actual opinion and I wanted to see what fans of the game have to respond to that

>>383703746
jokes on you faggot, I mapped spells/abilities to my RMB too

>>383703803
Quake 3 do requite a shitting of practice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

Souls series "PvP" is a complete joke.

>>383703807
I've played doom for hundreds of hours, and I do love doom 2 as well. Favorite mods are beautiful doom and now metadoom. Come on you retarded faggot, if your arguing boils down to making up lies in your head about the kind of person I am then you're probably wrong in your opinions

>>383703421
I can agree with you saying that ARPGs have dull combat but Doom is very much the same. Barely any aiming or any other kind of mechanical skill. It mostly boils down to knowing enemy spawns, placement and not getting blocked. KINDA SIMILIAR TO ARPGS HMM.

>>383702965
>for the first time and I fucking love them
many people who bash diablo 3 wont say you wont have any fun with it, they'll just say it's fleeting.

after some time has passed consider which games you would revisit. your perspective might change.

>>383703568
not him but I hate the arpg genre but I'm still here because D2 was a big part of my childhood

I also have literally nothing better to do, I'm not even taking part in any conversation just reading people arguing and insulting each other, I hate it

>>383703746
>It's quake and doom.
Nah, it's really not. Quake has a physics engine, end of discussion.

>You guys know what I'm talking about. Mindlessly tapping LMB is not a fun and interactive form of combat for a shit load of people. Trying to defend that while at the same time criticizing Doom blows my mind
No I really don't know what you're talking about. You're distilling a game filled with intricacies to the the simplest definition possible and then crying because everyone else is doing the same thing. I guess all the time I spent crafting unique items, trading with people, gambling, combining gems and doing tons of other shit was just "clicking on monsters and hoping I get better items". Your opinion is fucking dirt and you only played the game for 3 hours, I don't even know why I'm bothering with you.

>>383703946
>playing hundreds of hours in a game in which you hold a button and mow down helpless hordes while completely ignoring every enemy mechanic in the game
I thought you hated that.

>>383682332

>im playing this game, but i hate playing it


diablo 2 is kino fuck off.

me and my brother literally just made brand new toons and leveled to 80s a month or two ago and had a fucking blast

>>383703978
No, the skill in doom is movement, knowing enemy patterns, and using level design + movement to not get hit while you manage ammunition and other pickups. Just because there's no vertical aiming in doom doesn't mean there's no skill.

>>383704001
Don't get the hate really. There's nothing wrong with killing tons of demons and shit

>>383682130
Ask them what they do when they don't want to farm a specific leg or a gem. Pro tip, absolutely nothing, there's literally nothing else to the game.

>>383704121
Of course. It just means that it has way less skills. Just like the genre you're bashing.

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>>383703946
Correct. He didn't want to completely out himself as a degenerate spermling that grew up with the PS2 so he threw Doom into the mix to show he's a "real" gamer. How you can possibly be stupid enough to enjoy Doom and then say Diablo 2 is nothing but clicking on enemies is the height of autism.

>>383704058
Dooms skill is movement like I said, and exploring good level design is something I really enjoy in games.

>>383682006
>194 replies
you fucking disgust me, /v/

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>>383682006
>Blizzard fan since WC2 and SC1 days
>friend was a huge Diablo fan
>despite that, never played the game when it was new
>only got into genre with TL1 and played half a dozen ARPGs since then & loved them all
>tried D2 numerous times since but can't enjoy the game because of tiny resolution and stuff
Diablo 2 remaster when

>>383704072
Good job, you and your bro still know how to have fun

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>>383682006
just because you're right doesn't mean you need to make a bait thread.

This board is shit because everyone feels compelled to phrase posts with no regard for nuance, and in ways specifically designed to agitate people who disagree.

Why can't you just post something like "so I was playing blah blah blah and I realized that it actually really innovated on the genre because of [reasons], what do you guys think?" Not everything has to be a fucking challenge.

>>383682130
you can't, because they're busy having fun playing a game they like. Having a shitty attitude like that is a good way to get dropped by your friends though. Then you won't have to worry about their taste in video games any more.

>>383704251
use glide wrapper anon, I play at 1600x1200 and the game looks gorgeous

>>383704229
>exploring good level design
You do that once, not for "hundreds of hours". Are you also autistic? Yes, is rhetoric, you retarded aspie.

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>>383704251
>"Blizzard fan since WC2 and SC1 days"
>can't enjoy Diablo 2

>>383703374
Literally any difficult thing can be reduced to trial and error. They're not terribly hard, but much harder than diablolikes.

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>>383704337
>This board is shit because everyone feels compelled to phrase posts with no regard for nuance, and in ways specifically designed to agitate people who disagree.
Look at this pseduo-intellectual faggot.

>>383684545
>Diablo 3
>You have to play THIS build
>no fun allowed

this is objectively untrue and nobody who plays the game would agree with you.

and how can you unironically say that in a world where hammerdins exist?

>>383704381
>They're not terribly hard, but much harder than diablolikes
Again, apples and oranges. "Not being jewed and scammed in trade" could be considered a better skill that anything that Souls series could teach.

>>383682130
Get Grim Dawn.

>>383704436
case in point.

>>383704446
>bug in new necro ring
>have to use it to complete unheard of grift levels and massively level up gems

Also it's plainly obvious D3 is balanced around the absurd class set bonuses since they can't rely on rares due to completely trashing them

>>383704220
Right, so you're making up the fact that I'm fabricating my opinion in order to appear hardcore instead of the fact that it is my genuine opinion. Doom 1 is my favorite fps, and God of War 2 and Max Payne 3 are the other two games with combat that I enjoy the most. I simply cannot enjoy a game where movement and combat is just clicking everywhere.

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>>383704353
I even replay Warcraft 2 campaigns once every couple of years, but since I have no nostalgia for Diablo I just can't seem to get over the "oldschoolness" of the game.

>>383703258
I like Diablo, but the clicking to do every action, minus hot keys, gets old. I'd like to be able to position my character with WASD without clicking. It's such a small change, why are people so opposed to it.

>>383704525
>trading is a skill
You guys really do hate G A M E P L A Y dont you?

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>>383704436
He's right though, this thread is literally (you)bait

>>383704349
No because you play through the hundreds of user made maps that also have good level design. Pay attention

>>383703579
That would be cool as fuck to see.

>play an old game for 10 minutes
>get used to it
>feels smooth again
Summerfriends pls go.

>>383704554
>case in point.
First off, it's "case and point" not "case in point". And what is your case? What is your point? That you sound like a total homo and feel the need to tell others what the "right" way to post is? Lmao don't forget to breath retard. Back to redd1t with you.

>>383704525
Who cares about trading though

>>383682130
>i hate this game
>how do I make people also hate this game

Get help, anon.

>>383704607
Did you try Victor Vran? It has WASD movement, jump, roll and focuses more on combat but has very basic and nearly non-existent builds so every "true ARPG fan" hates it.

>>383704578
>relying on a bug
>in a nu-blizzard game

not if you value your account

>>383704610
Is a big part of the genre. In fact, repetitive grind and being a jew makes the genre. And that's why I don't really like ARPGs, but they do require some sort of skill.

>>383704706
Fuck off Actiblizz.

>>383704686
>play game in 144 fps
>play old game in 25 fps for 10 mins
>it feels smooth now!

>>383702347
Like God of war

>>383704862
...yeah? That was the point.

>>383683186
ARPG gameplay is fucking with builds, not "m-muh combat!!"

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>>383704703
>First off, it's "case and point" not "case in point".

http://writingexplained.org/case-in-point-case-or-case-and-point
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/case_and_point

I realize you're most likely just pretending to be retarded for whatever reason, but at least put a little effort into it.

>>383704827
Trading and pointless gear autism is the worst part of the genre. Not being able to trade, but the whole economy that sprung up around it.

>>383682006
shit taste fag

>>383704768
All they're doing is wiping the leaderboards and giving everybody a double-exp weekend

>>383699954
well said

>>383705046
>Trading and pointless gear autism is the worst part of the genre
Again, that's like saying the running and gunning is the worst part of Quake. You just don't like ARPGs and criticize them without a real reason.

>>383704964
So its about pressing mouse 1 on your talent tree? Nice gameplay, faggot. I have 500 hours in PoE. You know. That game that every retard calls SO DEEP WOW when literally all you need to do for your builds is to be able to read english and use wiki.

>>383704964
In that case card games make ARPGs obsolete, deck building is far more complex

>>383704745
can you attack and move at the same time? like bastion or running n' gunning in a top-down shooter?

>>383704631
>I'm able to mod and get maps for doom
>I'm unable to mod and configure d2 controls
Something with your anecdotal evidences smells fishy.

>>383705337
maps =/= controls. There are D2 mods that have new tilesets

>>383704446
Not him, I play the game, it's objectively true.

Each class has 2 builds. The farming Build, and the Pushing build. That's it. They may vary based on which one gets overbuffed into nonsense territory, but it's always the same. It's been this way since about season 2, where they kept reintroducing fuckoverpowered builds with stupid ass stat bloat like +1000% damage or some shit instead of relying on stacking subsets for small ass sequential 25% buffs.

>Blizzard! Everyone is using litany of the undaunted on every class, how do we fix this for necromancer?
>Make it so every single ability is shit and each set gives like 3000% damage so Litany wont work
>Brilliant as always sir

Fucking HELL

>>383705216
The point of diablo was to kill monsters in a dark fantasy world with both real time action gameplay and rpg statistics, not to simulate the stock market for autistic children

>>383705165
Kys casual
>>383705290
Tried making your own build? :^)
>>383705296
It's right for mtg

>>383705312
I dont think that I tried every weapon but I think no. To attack or use a skill you had to stop. Some weaponskills let you move but they had cooldowns. If you want that kind of gameplay just play bullethells... Nex Machina just came out and its really good if thats top-down shooter/bullethell is what you're looking for.

>>383705543
Yeah, sadly it changed with D2 and internet being common in homes.

>>383705505
there's a difference between "you must play this build" and "there is a best build" though.

You can objectively succeed with multiple builds. There will always be a best build. This is obvious and unavoidable and not worth stating.

Diablo II also had a build for each class that was far better at a given task than any other build. The difference is that in DIII, two specs that have a rune or two different from each other will still be referred to as the same build, whereas in DII there just isn't that level of variety.

>>383699742
If you just ran up and killed everything you would have died. In 2 you have to make sure you don't get swarmed and you have to dodge projectiles constantly.

>>383705654
Not him, but I created my own build using the Inarius set with the Necromancer and it's fun, if not a one trick pony. Bad for pushing, but great for farming Torment 10-13, it's basically an in-geom speed teleporting bone armor build with Nemesis bracers, going around popping all shrines, 1 or 2 shotting with my 0 second cooldown bone armors before teleporting and fucking everything over.

I use Rigor Mortis for Poison=Slow%, the ring for +100% damage to slowed, +400% instead to Slowed+Stunned, while utilizing the poison stun rune on bone armor to activate both effects after just one cast on a 0 second cooldown.

The speed is outrageous in public games, but is absolute dogshit when trying to push higher Grifts.

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>>383699954

>>383706028
Yeah I know, cautiously approaching groups of enemies and running away while you click on them made the game more tedious, not interesting

>>383705852
>isn't that level of variety
>rares
>+ to skills
>skill tree and synergies to mix and match

D2 throw-barb is hilariously better than any D3 flavor of the patch build

>>383705654
>tried making your own build
I just told you. Read your skillgem. Read what keywords support it. Weapon type? Crit? Check on wiki how if it has special properties. Browse through uniques to see if theres something that fits. Pick a class depending what stats you need for the skill gem or if you need specific nodes. Try to reach the most effecient nodes (game has many low-effecient "noob bait" nodes). Pick every hp/es node on the way depending on your build because not dying is better than dying.

>>383706119
>cautiously approaching groups of enemies and running away while you click on them made the game more tedious, not interesting

You know this exact thing could be said about Doom?

>>383706119
but you just said you could run up and kill things and it was boring. Now you say that you actually have to position yourself and think before you strike them. So I guess you 're just a massive faggot?

>>383706239
It couldn't be though, because the real time movement controls and level design make movement a skillful and fun activity. Doom is fun even if you don't shoot anything.

>>383706119
I was about to say >>383706239, lol

>>383706310
not him but "positioning yourself" is just "did I not one hit the enemy, ok, I will walk backwards and cast again"

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>summer starts
>all of a sudden /v/ becomes the biggest fansite for Diablo 3
What a coincidence.

>>383706485
Thanks, I didn't feel like responding to that because he knows that he's making shit up at this point

>>383703795
Someone doesn't know how seasons work

>>383706406
>Doom
>shooting is clicking
>changing weapons is buttons
>cautiously moving on so as to not become surrounded by large pack of enemies
>run away includes strafing away
>run away to dodge melee or projectiles

>Diablo
>attacking is clicking
>changing skills is buttons
>cautiously moving so as to not become surrounded by a large pack of enemies
>can't strafe because isometric camera
>run away to dodge melee or projectiles

You are literally retarded

>>383687075
hahahaha

>>383706485
>>383706650
I suspect samefagging. Anyway, positioning is not about resetting cooldowns it's about making sure that less enemies at a time are hitting you and that you don't get stuck in a bad spot. Also most skills didn't have cooldown in Diablo 2, only the more powerful ones.

Eat shit.

>>383706906
It's actually basically just skills that spwn a lot of particles/sprites, like lightning web or plague javelin

>>383706741
This is 100% disingenuous and you know it. I can't think of a better term for it, but the real time movement and combat of doom change everything completely. Handling the movement of your player through directional buttons is intensely more satisfying than clicking on a place for your character to move to

can I play as a necromancer in the diablo games

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>>383706906
This like the dozenth time somebody ITT has guessed or made up something untrue in order to try and pretend like my opinions can't be justified

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>>383706906
yes so cast, move back, cast, move back, cast, repat to infinite. and im not him. I fucking hated doom. Its biggest nostalgia goggles game on the planet. comparing it to an actual 3d fps is a disgrace to the whole genre. while sure it was revolutionary and stuff it just doesnt change the fact that the game is inferior in present.

>>383682006
One of my biggest gripes was Belial in D3

Hes called the lord of lies, yet his underlings seemed utterly flabberghasted that he might lie to them, they cannot fathom that the literal embodiment of lies may lie or deceive them

Also theres a big mystery around who belial is hiding as, yet the child kings guards are all demons, he reveals later he can do magic shit and is involved in what you are doing, yet everyones shocked when he is revealed to be belial? Why couldn't they have made the town guard woman belial? Literal shit

>>383705143
And rolling back the gems.

>>383707203
no

>>383707203
see >>383689873

>>383707204
>>383707219
lol it's like you guys are a team here, both bothering to take screencaps.

>yes so cast, move back, cast, move back, cast, repat to infinite. and im not him. I fucking hated doom.
I don't understand what you are trying to do here by simplifying what's stated here. We already established that the "Move back, cast, move back" thing you keep repeating also involves moving in a particular manner so you don't get cornered. If you don't like that type of gameplay neither in this game nor in doom then that's just your preference. It's still more complex than you make it out to be.

>>383707619
VERY nice

The irony of this post.

My bro in law just started playing Diablo 2 for the first time in his life a month ago. He's absolutely in love with it. He even tried D3 first and felt extremely meh about it, but D2 has consumed his free time.

The game is still amazing. It will never age because 2D art is timeless. The gameplay is solid fun and rewarding. You cannot say the same about D3 which looked like ass out of the gates and looks even worse now. Has an awful fucking story which after 2 just comes off as pretentious and SJW pandering (Leah and Tyrael becoming a nig). It's just boring bland garbage.

>>383707873
>those screenshots with the original art

diablo 3 is such a waste desu

>>383707103
Why are you implying D2 is turn-based? Stop being such a faggot

>>383707417
I thought they were just dropping them to 125? Still pretty high

>>383708185
>I can't think of a better term for
I'm talking about the difference between directional movement and the isometric click movement

>>383708774
Have you considered having your IQ tested?

>>383707103
>>383708774
So, all boils at "I'm a retarded console pleb that hates mouse controls"? Sasuga neo-/v/.

>>383699131
I get ya, (for me) there's more left to imagination because of the low res graphics made in a realistic style. Diablo 3 is more on the cartoony side.

>>383709339
It's not retarded. Click controls are clunky and slow as fuck.

>>383709361
It's not because of imagination holes, it's because they had good designs on everything.

>>383709441
>clicking on the place you want to move during a fraction of second is slower and clunkier that pressing movement keys during several seconds
Just say you are pretending to be retarded, is your only way to "save" face now.

>>383709361
>>383709471
see >>383700487
Both Diablo and Diablo 2 have great aesthetics and atmosphere. Diablo 3 is some sort of Pixarshit "all age" adventures.

>>383699742
>I played the beginning levels of a RPG and it was so easy!
you're fucking retarded.

>>383709784
that is valid criticism. He could play Might and Magic 6 or Gothic 2 for example, shit gets real from the start. Easy games are boring.

>>383697746
Now i want to play diablo.
MedianXL or grim dawn? Never played medianXL, haven't played grim dawn since the release.

>>383710156
But Anon, clicking on the screen doesn't take "skill". Unless is doom it seems :^)

>>383709441
so do you hate RTS games just as much as Diablo?

Ultimate carrot-on-a-stick for retarded children, what a complete joke of a genre. Go play slot machines instead, same game play but quicker and you stand to win money every once in a while.

>>383710449
No, read the thread
>>383702278
>>383710412
Not what I said or meant and you know it

>>383711334
The only thing you said is "I played D2 for 3 hours and disliked the controls, so the entire genre doesn't requite skill". A rally retarded and uninformed opinion.

>>383711513
>>383711513
So the combat of the entire genre is uninteresting and dull do to the lack of skill

I'm sure that if you do t mind the click shit that leveling your build and managing loot IS skillful and interesting, but the gameplay itself is too dull in my opinion

>>383711334
>says read the thread
>can't even tell the difference between apples and oranges

>>383682130
It's much easier to trigger Grim Dawn and PoE fags.

>>383711602
>play doom on the easiest difficulty for 30 minutes
>"whoa dude, the entire genre is casual and shit!"
I refuse to believe somebody could be this retarded. Here, have a last (you).

>>383682340
>You don't have nostalgia the first time you played it.
>You become spoiled.
more like you got used to the quality of life improvements of modern games

I don't mind it if people just dislike Grim Dawn. Like, whatever, go for it.

But what I don't understand is when people dislike Grim Dawn but like Titan Quest. Grim Dawn is just Titan Quest made better in every way except for aesthetic. Titan Quest has every problem Grim Dawn has otherwise. Like what the fuck guys, compare it to D3 or PoE sure, but why the hell would you pick Titan Quest over Grim Dawn?

The only thing i like about these games is speed farming. Not enough variety in d3 and poe is fucking aids

>>383682045
crusader like the last 10 seasons

>>383699954
>You are a normie, and you are retarded.

Get the fuck off my board robot. Go back to your containment bored you autistic mongoloid.

>>383712107
games made after 1999 are worse

>D3 introduces fucking Death as an enemy
>the design is honestly fantastic
>has a great background premise
>ends up being really fucking bland

Malthael could have been a goat enemy. But like so many other games, they fucked up with his presentation.

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HEY
What's a really fun D2 build? Not the best, the most fun.

>>383715216
>diablo introduces random butcher demon as enemy
>still iconic after 21 years
-Blizzard was a mistake.
t-blizzard north

>>383682006
isometric click fests are always boring as fuck.
>click
>click>click>click>click>click>click
>click>click>click>click
>click>click>click>click>click>click>click>click>click>click>click>click

>>383715408
charge + vigor pally if you wanna sanic

Playing d2 makes me feel like I'm using my brain to make builds(pvp or pve)/survive(playing hc)/trade(economy)

Playing d3 feels like going to bed without brushing your teeth
It's quick and easy to do but eventually it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I did play RoS but stopped around GR 90ish being the top.

>>383715597
brown and bloom shooters are always boring as fuck.
>click
>click>click>click>click>click>click
>click>click>click>click
>click>click>click>click>click>click>click>click>click>click>click>click

>>383715597
Video games are always boring as fuck.
Either:
>click>click>click>click>click>click
>click>click>click>click
Or.
>button>button>button>button
>button>button>button>button>button>button

>>383715597
Shitposting is always boring as fuck
>pretending>pretending>pretending>pretending
>pretending>pretending>pretending>pretending>pretending
>pretending>pretending>pretending
>pretending>pretending>pretending>pretending>pretending>pretending>pretending

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>>383682336
No one that plays D3 gives a single shit about PoE. I have played them both and given them an equal amount of time, D3 is simply better, smoother, and brings more gratification to the table.

Though I do like the fact that if you haven't paid into any micros in PoE you look like a walking trash can the entire time.

>>383716374
I can't tell is that a doll or someone with so much makeup they only look plastic

>>383699954
>the music is some of the best VG has ever produced
It is some of the most mediocore vidya has ever produced.
>D2 pvp
opinions discarded.

>>383715895
>brushing your teeth
you have inferior genes

May be off topic, buuut is anyone in here playing D3 on PS4? I'd like a friend or two.
screen name is Lucid Lady

Hows grimdawn

>>383716374
>Though I do like the fact that if you haven't paid into any micros in PoE you look like a walking trash can the entire time.
objectively false

>>383683186
>with a playerbase of about <1000

the game doesn't have 16 man raids, having several thousand concurrent players at all times is fine.

>>383718185
You have to brush your teeth in a modern society because of all the sugar in foods. It's not a matter of genes.

>>383682006
>buy d3
>level up
>cant find skill tree
>it doesnt exist
>uninstall
>never touch again

fucking piece of trash

tbqh the incredibly narrow corridors in greater rifts are getting quite annoying

>>383702361
What's your point?
D3 doesn't have pvp, they added a shitty arena that allows you to enable pvp mode, nobody uses it though. Mainly because the game is not balanced for pvp and never will.

>>383682006
I think D3 is an excellent roguelike if you play on HC on consoles

I'm torn on what to make for season 11.
>WD gets Helltooth and can chicken for fast bounties and lower rifts
>Wizard gets Tal Rasha and can get to higher rifts easily

>>383721020
the only reason I'm making a monk is because I'm nowhere near the healing achievement and I want to work towards getting it

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>>383682006
try again tomorrow, what an incredibly obvious troll

>>383720429
>nobody uses it though. Mainly because the game is not balanced for pvp and never will.
d2 was never balanced for pvp either

>>383715408
Summon + Lycanthropy Druid.

Alternatively Summon + Elemental.

Never make a Lycanthropy + Elemental one. They don't fit well at all.

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>>383720429
>pvp isn't how I want pvp so it's not pvp.
That's how stupid you sound.

>>383721357
True, pvp in D2 was awsome though, if you liked enigma that is.
You had a weird kind of balance when everyone was just blinking around.
D3 doesn't have that, it's just a mess.

>>383710341
grim dawn, median is autistic as fucked and there are 2 major issues:

a) you play single player and have to grind for months to get very specific drops that let you progress once you hit a certain point
b) you play online and cannot use any mods, no PlugY, no resolution mod etc. or you get autobanned, so you have to play in absolute shit tier resolution that is actually buggy with MXL installed, but you can trade with other people to get items you need faster than self found SP. but no PlugY means your stash space is tiny. MXL is trash because of these 2 things.

>>383721357
D2 didn't have a pvp safe space

>>383722080
and this is what annoys me the most about modern games

>>383722080
How's pvp real? Just play offline like nigga

>>383684884
Literally nothing wrong with that.