I'm getting the itch again /v/ Convince me not to reinstall.

>>383676476
As long as it's not retail.

>>383676476
Three words: Artifact Power farming

>>383676625
>playing garbage ass private servers
You are worse than fucking blizzdrones.

How many times do you wanna start this thread OP?
/v/ - ViraI Marketing

>>383676476
There are not enough Pandas

>>383676476
>retail
Don't, it's garbage
>private servers
Whatever, it's free

>>383676659
>garbage ass private servers
What it's like to live in 2007?

reputation grinding

I want to play this or FF but that would mean I have to cancel my gym subscription. Fuck I guess I'll play private server WOTLK. I don't think they have Legion or that other expansion before that private server.

>>383676476
Sargeras killed all the titans, except he didn't and they're back for the final raid of Legion. Also, Demons aren't actually immortal outside of the twisting nether, it's actually Sargeras using the power of the titan soul of Argus to revive them, and the final boss of the raid will be the Argus titan, not Sargeras himself.

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>>383676476
Chances are the game is significantly different from what you experienced when you last played it, so much so that it barely resembles it. Anything you liked about previous expansions has most likely been removed or changed too. The friends who you played with or the people you knew are most likely gone too.

The MMO magic is gone. We can't get it back.

>>383676636

This is literally the easiest part of the entire expansion lmfao

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>>383676476
Shit eating retail ape here.

The Good:
>Class hall quest lines are good. Rogue one was A+.
>Mythic+ is one of the better systems blizzard has come up with in terms of non-raid content for gear progression
>The raids and dungeons are pretty unique visually and aesthetically pleasing.
>All the new zones are pretty cool with the exception of the broken shore.
>The raids have some pretty fun and cool looking fights.

The Bad:
>The entire legendary system is and was an absolute fucking disaster. They should have just let players research the ones they want in the class hall for order resources since we're doing fuck all else with those. (Or even unlocking them through reputation) The system severely hampers playing alts and switching mains, and is an exercise in frustration through RNG.
>The current tier of raid content is buggy as all hell.
>While artifact weapons are much easier to level now, (Specifically for alts) the entire system should have just been a secondary talent tree unlocked by leveling that allowed the players more customization for their spec in stead of a massive time sink that pressures players into grinding for miniscule progress on their weapon rather than gear upgrades. (This also would have completely prevented the tuning problem in the first raid tier, but I digress.
>pvp, if you care about it, is about the same as it always has been. Except now, the pvp talents and instanced pvp templates which bliz introduced to better tune pvp without dicking with pve performance have been completely mishandled, and everything is still a mess.
>After you manage to get all the legendaries you need and level up your weapon to the AP soft cap, there's little else to do as far as legion content is concerned aside from one 15+ key run every week and raiding. Things like the chromie scenario and BT timewalking are nice additions, but are just bandaid fixes on a broken endgame design.

I could go on, but these are the major points.

Still the best MMO.

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just wait 9 more days OP, it'll be worth it

>>383679175
Really grasping at straws now.

>>383676625

Have fun with your vodka and rice nigger bots.

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>>383678325
all of those good points are shit and you know it

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>>383676476
You're welcome.

>>383676476
The game is shit now. Everything you liked about the game is gone.

>>383676476
Artifact research notes, ilvl balanced pvp

>>383678325
you forgot titanforging under the bad

>>383676659
>paying money is worse than not paying money

Hi Blizzard.

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Need some second opinions and tips from end game healers.

I have a level 50 holy priest right now and I feel as if my heals are absolute dog shit. I am constantly spamming flash heal not keep them close to full health. I rarely overheal them but I feel like every tank im grouped up with is taking way more damage than I can heal them for.

Is Discipline better for lower levels?

here's the thing OP

visualize what you'll do in WoW. Really think it through. How long will you do it for, how much time it will take, how much satisfaction you'll get. This should be enough

They just tried to turn speedrunning shit dungeons into an esport.

>>383680329
If I listed all the little good/bad things about the current state of retail I'd probably have to make three full posts. Titanforging is just a byproduct of a much larger problem, in my opinion.

>>383680579
>If I listed all the little good/bad things about the current state of retail I'd probably have to make three full posts.
go for it if you have the time

>>383676923
The grind makes it boring not the difficulty

>>383680634
I'm at rank 48 and haven't even directly attempted to grind the AP once, it has just come while playing the game.

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>Blizzard will never implement Legion-style level scaling to all dungeons and allow you to level from 10 to max level by allowing you to queue for random instances from the entire game because that would cut into their boost selling profits
Why the fuck are they still doing this timewalking bullshit when superior tech already exists

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>>383680410
anyone?

>>383681151
Sorry, but I honestly can't help you. Even if you're a new player, rest of your team should be decked out in heirlooms and be able to faceroll all dungeons with zero healers. I never leveled a holy priest though, only went disc since it's a spec I find a lot more fun to play. Maybe you'd have more luck with it?

>>383680234

>entire expansion lacking any substance and content to keep people interested
>subs dropping like a hiker jumping off of Everest
>release shit like this the entire way through

WoD was a fucking shit show. Someone invent a time machine so we can stop patch 3.2 from ever happening. Fuck, stop Blizzard from merging with Activision and find them a better solution to getting out from under Vivendi.

>>383678325
everything you typed was fucking garbage.

>>383680410
why don't you respec and learn dual spec?

>>383676923
>lmfao
Modern WoW apologist in a nutshell

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>yfw the moment you realized that you've been wasting your time and money on WoW

I broke the cycle after 7 years, feels good man. The problem with MMORPGs is that no matter what they never fucking end.

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>>383680134
Except they aren't. A lot of people here think that Wrath was one of, if not the best expansions in terms of raid content. The entire reason people remember wrath raiding fondly is Ulduar. Great music, great atmosphere, great fights, and there were different visual styles and themes all over the place in that raid. What else was there in wrath for raid content? Literally the laziest and shittiest raid in the history of the game, a rehash of vanilla content, some one-off bosses, and a mechanically solid raid that stuck with one visual theme basically the entire way through. Christ, the only reason people liked and still remember ICC is the Arthas encounter.

Only half the zones were interesting visually, and even though some of the dungeons were really cool there was almost no reason to run them since you could start doing naxx with shit gear. I am in no way saying that legion is comparable to wrath in terms of expansion quality, but consider how much the visuals, atmosphere, and fight mechanics of one raid played a major part in carrying the reputation of an entire expansion. All of the raids and the majority of the dungeons in legion have some memorable fights, mechanically and visually. All but one of the zones have a unique style with some really cool landmarks. I will admit readily that these things do not make up for the faults in progression and game design that legion has. Shit is a train wreck currently.

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>world of redditcraft
>ever being good
It was casual shit the moment it was released back in 2005 and only nu/v/ will claim otherwise. The literal only worthwhile thing about this game is the ERP.

>>383680381
>Admitting to being a poorfag who enjoys the scraps of others

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>>383679895
Still the best mmo.

Even during WoD, the lowest point of WoW. It was STILL better than competition. Garbage expansion thanks blizz.

>>383680134
>>383681530
Is this some bot that automatically replies to any sort of positive post about Blizzard/WoW?

I love icecream!

Think about the opportunity cost of playing an MMO.

For something that repetitive and monotonous, you could be out doing something repetitive and monotonous that will actually get you somewhere in life, like learning code or exercising.

Also think of the opportunity cost of all the other great games out there that you're missing because you're sinking so much time into WoW

>>383676476
I'm in the same boat. Fortunately I found Felmyst and the TBC server coming up soon.
The thing is, WoW is no longer what it was when you last played it and enjoyed it. It's not the same game. You're not going to experience that again. Just accept it, man.

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>>383681996
>Implying you won't be back eventually

>>383676791
>he thinks his gym is going to allow him to cancel
Oh you poor, deluded thing.

>>383680410
>>383681151
Heals scale pretty bad at lower levels, just bear with it until you get to legion stuff

>>383680410
>>383681151
I haven't played a priest in a long ass time so I could be wrong.
Isn't flash heal just supposed to be an emergency band-aid and you're supposed to be using Heal/Gheal or whatever it's called now for most healing that needs to be done?

>>383682273
dumb anime poster

>>383682590
This was the case back in MoP but I was never really a holyfag so I don't know if they had talent choices to change this play style.

>>383676476
It's just more dailies, grinds, time sinks, and a whole lot of shitty RNG.

The only reason there is for you to re-sub is if you have a group of friends/guild that you could join and start playing with and if you have enough gold on your characters so that you could buy a token to play for free.

Otherwise you're just wasting your time and money.

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>>383681438
>tfw you didnt farm the 200 tokens x months and now they are 125k each

>>383681151

I'm assuming you don't have heirlooms because if you did you would be absolutely blasting through dungeons. Are you on Horde NA? If so I'll send you some gold for heirlooms, that shit is absolutely invaluable.

>>383682851
He should have a free boost with purchasing legion anyway, I guess the situation is this >>383682519

>>383678325
>class hall is good
>mythic+ is good
stopped reading right there

>>383682456
It's impossible since I had blizzard delete my account entirely. They make you jump through hoops, had to show a picture of my ID.

2 Level 110's
6 Level 100's

rip

>>383676659
the garbage private servers are actually better than retail now

>>383683051
>Post obvious fake lie
>"Hah, that will show them!"

>>383682956

I don't think that's possible honestly. Have you tried healing with heirlooms? You could be playing retribution paladin and healing your team level 1-60 no problem.

You'll blow through all content within a month. You'll spend a second month trying to find something to do other than shitpost in discord with your guildies.
You then unsubscribe out of boredom.

>>383683165
You heal better outside of heal specs while leveling

t. leveling guardian druid

>>383683149
?

you can complain all you want about nu-blizzard and Legion, but at least they are really working on the expansion, I'm impressed by the amount of content they have added, and there's still another zone and another raid coming, although is a little late already

except PVP, that shit is beyond help, fucking Holinka

>>383676476
upgrade to FFXIV

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Come help us on wowpedia, it's fun anons

Wether you like vanilla or retail

Or even the old RTSes

>>383683401

No kidding, Legion feels like a fucking blast compared to WoD. Jesus Christ what a piece of shit that was

>>383676726

Whats it like playing in literal pay to win?

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>>383683426
>play for a week and destroy the endgame content in three days so you can AFK and wait for more content

and I love FFXIV, but this formula is getting really retarded

doesn't help that the story was retarded and only had a few good moments, like Zenos, Shinryu and some parts of Doma

>>383683051
Sky is green
Trump had russian connection and will be impeached

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>>383676476
Stop overthinking shit and just do it. It's 15 dollars. Enjoy the game for however long it lasts and be done. I don't understand this stupid notion of depriving yourself of entertainment just because it's fleeting. Nothing lasts forever, enjoy the good while it's there and learn to move on.

>>383676476
>>383676625
i'm downloading felmyst rit naw cya there ya'll modafukas

I did a legion invasion scenario when I played with the free 7 day pass I got.
Had a rogue and hunter with me who didn't say a word and just proceeded to stealth through all the mobs to the objectives leaving me to die over and over at the beginning. Once they had progressed enough I was resurrected at the end boss and again they just stealthed past the trash and killed the boss by themselves while I went /sleep in front of the trash packs because I couldn't survive them on my own. I still got credit for it and rushed to loot the boss and fucked off the instance. Nice fucking community there.

>>383683607
>Not releasing and expecting ress and to be carried
No, you're the cancer John

>>383682397
Ice cream will make you fat. Fatter than you already are.

>>383683607

>expecting people who've done X that takes minutes hundreds of times to be talkative

I bet you didn't even say anything either you faggot, join a guild, there's dozens on each server that are actively progressing.

>>383683684
I did release but what can I do when I can't solo all the mobs while they just rush past everything

>>383683607

>Basing an opinion on a community entirely on one experience

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>>383683607
>not gaming the system

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come play faggot one time offer to get the warglavies on demon hunter

>>383682456
Only if they actually make playable Naga
which they won't because the technical hurdles are too great

>>383683741
ya , my favorite flavor is vanilla

www.felmyst.com

>>383683794
Just pick a mob and kill it then, if you don't have the gear to zerg then just help out in other ways like clicking crystals or whatever

>>383683794
your problem is thinking some random ppl who are probably farming that shit are going to wait for you and start talking to you

people are selfish, you have to learn that, you can't base the community on LFR, LFG and random ppl in the world

although I will accept that most people are assholes

>>383682958
Of everything else in this expansion, Mythic+ is hardly the worst offender

>>383683905
Will this be another hyped up letdown?

>>383683861
Huns...

>>383683607
To be fair anon, and I'm not defending wow here, but in general most anonymous queuing system communities of any kind are full of faggots that don't care about anybody but themselves. This almost ruined current day vidya for me until I realized you gotta dig a little and sift through all the human trash until you can find a chill group of people. It's not just wow, it's every game nowadays, the Internet is all about funny memes, roasting people, and generally shit you wouldn't do in person now. Not to say it wasn't always, but the days of getting into some game and everyone being overwhelmingly nice right off the bat are long gone.

Find a guild of chill people or some shit.

>>383683990
Yes

>>383683990
don't doubt it

expect bugs, lag, queues, and possibly some crashes until the server is up, people go in, and discover that nostalgia is not that good

>>383684071
Pretty much, Nostalrius is on battleborn numbers in terms of players that aren't chinese or russian bots

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>>383676825

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>>383683905
>TBC

>>383683972
"least bad" isn't the same thing as good

>>383676476
http://felmyst.com/
forget retail, come join us on the other side

>>383684184
Fuck off faggot, all your nostalgia private servers blow ass and then shrivel up & die after a month

>>383684184
Enjoy your 2 weeks of false enjoyment followed by the realization

Make your own thread

I resubbed yesterday

It's not bad, if you've got the money you may as well play

>>383684184
I don't want a private server, I just want an MMO like old WoW. Is that so much to ask?

>>383676476
The endgame is a ravaged mess, and it's not like there's been anything besides that in a very very long time. Everything is shallow and weightless, nobody is interested, everyone plays dress-up to take their minds off how bad (and dead) the game is.

>>383684507
so, felmyst? it's the closest you're gonna get

>>383684507
Yes it is in today's world

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>>383684507
That would've been project Titan by Blizzard, but it's foreverhiatus status.

Besides, datamining kills any new mmo/patch anyway, just accept this fact and move on

>>383684641
Besides, datamining kills any new mmo/patch anyway, just accept this fact and move on
True, but nobody forces anybody to go to mmo champ

So what private servers are out there that are running well enough to warrant a separate client?

I played vanilla (Elysium) and it was fun but it feels like im missing out on some stuff that wasnt as bad as what we see today.

I only really played vanilla way back then as well so I missed out on the the expansions that were supposedly good.

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>>383683535
>Not knowing there are servers that don't have any cash shops, donations or point system.

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>mfw leveling up a proc warrior
>mfw it's my first character
Being a tank is fun

>>383676476
Suramar

Suramar is the only thing i don't like about this expansion but it's enough to ruin the entire expansion for me

Biggest fucking cancer i've ever witnessed in this game

>>383685109
what? what it's wrong with it? I think it was one of the big points of the expansion

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Any good WotLK private servers?

No dead or 1x ones. I don't wanna do the grind again.

>>383680410
Healing has been watered down since WoD. Big heals don't exist anymore, it's all about spamming mana efficient heals to maintain people's health.

I personally prefer the old way. Greater Heal doesn't exist anymore for any class (That I know of, I've only played Paladin and Priest, though), and that's really fucking dumb.

>>383685241
seconding this
although x1 in wrath isn't really bad

>>383680410
Probably, Flash Heal spam is meant to keep a tank stable until Serenity resets, so if your tank spikes all the time then there's not much you can do. Disc should still heal more single target, even without Grace

>>383684898

When I need to put an end to a day on a good note I load up my level 70 prot warrior with full heirlooms, queue for dungeons, put on loud music, and fucking beast mode tank the dungeon

I feel like a total badass playing a prot warrior while leveling, they're the epitome of face smashing fun in video games

>>383685241
>>383685662

Warmane has a x7 server with 11k people on at 8 AM central, also a x1 server with 3k people currently.

I can attest for Warmane as well, very good server and it has been going for more than 5-6 years now. If you're going to go on a WotLK PS I'd go with this. Same applies for TBC

>>383685353
>Healing has been watered down since WoD

Healing has been watered down since wotlk when mana and spell ranks stopped mattering.

I got back into it, got a character to level 56 then stopped playing.

It's shit

>>383676476
>I'm getting the itch again /v/
Shit, I thought I was the only one who got this. Every few years or so, it comes back. I just want to be free of this curse.

>>383684641
>That would've been project Titan by Blizzard,

overwatch is what is left of the scrapped project titan.

>>383685993

Is it pay to win?

>>383685353

I think that resto druid and disc priest are extremely fun healing specs right now.

Healing was 15x more boring and twice as hard 10 years ago. It's just way more engaging right now

Resubbed after not playing since WotLK. Never raided back then but I am now. It's fun and $15 isn't much at all.

>>383676476
Do it. I took a break shortly after hitting 110 in Legion because Blizz fucked over altoholics like me, came back a week ago after they sent me afree week invite, it's now much easier to catch up alts - you just send an item from your main for 1k order hall resources and you have max AK on your alt, the new zone also showers you with ilvl 850+ gear and there's a shitload of stuff to do even if you play solo. I don't even raid or pvp (only LFR to see new content) and I'm having a blast.

The only bad thing now is the fact that you need to repeat the broken shore questline on every fucking character to get the class mount. It's the laziest content Blizz has ever done. Thankfully I wasn't playing when it was also time gated and broken, now it's just 2-3 days of casual play on max level to get your mount.

>>383686054
Mana matters now since spirit is gone

>>383685874
>shield slam for damage
>revenge, devastate, and thunderclap for that sweet free cooldown
>parrying for that free revenge
Nothing better than breaking bones with a shield

>>383686134

No I don't believe there's a way to pay to get gear, but I haven't played the Wrath server in about 3 years. Warmane is pretty trustworthy though, I'd check it out.

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>>383680612
Fine, fuck it, why not. There are a lot of little things blizzard put into legion that I appreciated, even if I haven't been able to experience all of them. (Main reason being I don't play alts much anyway and legion hasn't done anything to help that) Small things like the rogue pick pocketing quests they just added, the hidden quests for the mounts, the artifact appearances, the class mounts with spec specific colors or at least the ones that actually had spec specific colors.

The fact that there are a decent amount of vanity items to be gained from non-rated pvp play is a welcome addition as well. The Kara dungeon was very well done and is the most fun I have had running a dungeon in a long time. I haven't run the chromie scenario yet, but they did put quite a lot of work into it and it looks fun and challenging. Even though people bitched incessantly about it, the class challenges for the weapon appearances I found enjoyable. Agatha was an absolute nightmare for outlaw to handle before they reworked the spec, but I tried all sorts of strategies/talents/gear changes and managed to beat Agatha as outlaw first on my server. All of these things add flavor to the game, and regardless of what anyone says that flavor is important.

Returning to what I was saying about titanforging, it's a system that results from a design philosophy that blizzard has adopted in recent years. I remember watching a clip from one of the Q&A livestreams a couple of the devs did, and something they said explained a lot about why those types of systems exist. I'm paraphrasing here, but the comment had something to do with RNG during raid encounters and went along the lines of "I think it's better to know you wiped because of bad RNG rather than bad performance or a lack of gear."

As a person who raids somewhat seriously, this pissed me off but also allowed me some insight into why things are the way they are in legion.

>>383686504
>"I think it's better to know you wiped because of bad RNG rather than bad performance or a lack of gear."
ah fuck i remember that forum post where they tried to justify concordance over the old paragon

>>383682958
>>383684180
How is Mythic+ bad?
Or are you just mindlessly parroting for hipster cool kid points?

It introduces infinitely scale-able, challenging content outside of raiding with competitive rewards and without a time-gated lockout mechanic.
It gives life to dungeon content past the initial early gearing phase and introduces new mechanics that encourage players to develop and adapt.
It is completely supplementary to the existing dungeon experience, and is not a requirement to be competitive, nor is it trivialized by raids.

There's me actually defending my position.
Your fucking turn.

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>>383678325
>pvp, if you care about it, is about the same as it always has been.

>>383687228
It's always been shit and anyone who plays WoW for the PvP deserves what they get

>>383676636
it's gone by the next patch

>>383687292
s8 and s9 were pretty good though

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>>383676476
Did you play Legion already?

If not you're so far behind that I don't think you can catch up. It isn't like the old days where you'd just farm up welfare epics before getting into real content.

Getting to 40AK and obtaining Concordance AP on top of everything else involving Artifact weapons means you're about 1-2 months "hard" work behind everyone else.

If you just want to hit 110 and do LFR shit for the experience, then wait about 1-2 months before the next expansion (probably get Legion for cheap then) and then pick it up.

AK / AP and Class Hall shit is incredibly unforgiving to fresh 110s and Alts. It's a bad expansion that somehow had a decent amount of good content.

Artifact weapons and RNG iLvl upgrades / RNG socket upgrades ruined the foundation of WoW more than anything else.

>>383682958
mythic+ is probably one of the healthiest systems they have introduced in a long, long time

>>383687390
>Incase
>goblin

nice

9 days

>>383676636
>>383680634
There is no grind.
You get it for literally every form of PvE and PvP content in the game.
I guess Goldshire RP doesn't count, unfortunately.

All you need is concordance to be perfectly competitive, and that hardly takes any time with the current catch-up rate.

What kind of browser game era do we live in where actually playing a game is considered a 'grind' now?

>>383687390
>Getting AK40 takes 2-3 days, getting concordance is another 2-3 days
>Previous expansions become free in prepatch, in this case, legion would be free once the prepatch for the new expansion comes
I can agree on followers, but it's not big of a deal, also fuck relics, I only say this because I'm really unlucky with them while everyone else gets 930 relics in their weekly m+ chest while I get shit stats bracers and stuff

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>>383687292
>"hold on guys, let me just install an addon that tells me exactly where to go at any given time during this boss fight"
>"haha, that boss sure was hard right guys, see you again next week!"
pve sounds fun

>>383687390
>AK / AP and Class Hall shit is incredibly unforgiving to fresh 110s and Alt

you have a catchup to the max level now, what the fuck?

>>383687693
>addons telling ypou positioning. A feature that was removed at the start of legion
Try again

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>>383687693
>a boss can't be hard if you know their abilities

damn i guess after one try no boss anywhere is hard

>Decide to try it out again
>Everything in leveling dungeons dies in literally 1 second and everyones acting like its a speedrun with no brakes
>Feels too gamey after playing XIV awhile

Not saying XIV is great either, im on break from it trying to find something thats more than just logging in to do dailies.

>>383687834
The hardest part of raiding is finding a large batch of people who have half a brain to follow basic instructions.

>>383687905
For sure, coordination has always been the biggest part of WoW raiding, but even if you know everything you can still have a hard time with very unforgiving mechanics.

Either way though, don't pretend current bosses aren't hard.

>>383687837
>legacy content isn't balanced
woah...

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>>383685241
>wotlk
>grind

my god

>>383688132
It should be

>>383688132
I feel like its kind of close to that at 110 also. Everything dies so quickly outside of boss fights that people treat it like a speedrun because of Mythic+. I enjoy the harder difficulty that comes with it but hate the feeling of rushing group content.

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>>383687905
It took 750+ tries on the next to last boss in Tomb of Sargeras for the most poopsocking guilds in the world to down

>>383688159
why?

>>383687693
No one is claiming that PvE is perfect, but it's certainly better than MMO PvP with degenerate gameplay like pillar humping, 20+ second CC chains and kickbotting.

If you enjoy PvP then why not play a game that does it better and is PvP-focused?

>>383688236
Im better than them. Clone 24 of me and well down it in 10.

>>383688360
So 5 of your clones can be benched?

>>383688250
Why not? Leveling up a character is a part of the game and shouldn't feel trivial.

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>>383686504
cont.

Legion is an engine of chaos. Certain fights are RNG heavy, spec enabling legendaries are completely RNG based, they added a gambling system for legendaries with that nethershard nonsense, titanforging is completely RNG, mythic plus loot and the key system is a whole shitstorn of RNG. (Though the key upgrade/downgrade system is actually pretty nice now) Many specs are super RNG heavy and I would know, I main the spec that has you rolling fucking dice. The amount of DPS variance for outlaw is hilarious.

I think blizzard's approach here is to have so much RNG in the system to the point that everything equalizes eventually. Blizzard is working by the law of averages this expansion. Got fucked for an entire month on loot and leggos? Here's a 940 arcanocrystal and your best in slot legendary. I've seen this shit happen multiple times. In a sense, blizz made a good decision here because gambling is addicting. The thrill of hitting the jackpot can make you forget all about weeks of bullshit you went through up until that point. However, blizzard either doesn't realize or doesn't care that this style of game design is super fucking annoying for raiders who desire consistency in order to gauge progression and iron out problems with performance.

This isn't to say personal skill doesn't matter in legion, quite the opposite. Fights are mechanically much more difficult than they used to be on average now. I remember laughing at how easy MC/BWL/Ony felt in my Nost days compared to the shit that goes on in the average legion encounter. It dawned on me then that a major barrier in vanilla raiding wasn't the difficulty of the encounters, but the knowledge required to run them successfully, the time investment needed to prepare for the raids, and the problem of getting 30+ retards to consistently do a simple task. With so much preparation and time needed for these old encounters, an RNG heavy system with more difficult encounters wouldn't have worked at all.

>>383687676
>>383687739
AK 40 takes 2-3 days if you have the limitless resources that an older 110 would have.

If you're fresh you won't be getting 40 AK anytime soon because there is literally not enough resources on the map to farm to get it, you won't have flying for farming wyrmtongue chests, and you still need the Order Hall upgrades as well for double legendaries.

Fresh 110 is painful, worse yet if we go out to farm all the resource shit you won't be gearing up at the same time. It's all suffering and unless you can completely no life it you're not going to be raiding anything but LFR or doing low level Mythics.

>>383688401
not anymore, you start with a boost

>>383688395
he probably hasnt been playing since things were changed to 20 man

>>383687390

I never understood the random stats. Blizzard never really knew how to gear their own game. Some of us autists actually had fun making dps spreadsheets and selecting the best stats instead of waiting for RNG to give us a "meh" stat.

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>>383688236

ya but my LFR group downed Gul'dan in 2 minutes, raiding is fucking easy this game is a casual joke

>>383688132
Then why is it even in the game? Why not just boost everyone straight to 100?

Blizzard selling boosts isn't a valid reason

>>383688489
Cataclysm Reforging needs to come back.

>>383688530
kinda is

>>383688401

No, everyone who has been playing the game for several years has done this 100 fucking times, no way in hell do I enjoy or even want to experience early game content for the 9 billionth time.

>>383688530
>Then why is it even in the game
What a stupid question.

>let's remove all previous content as more expansions come out

lOL??

>>383688537

Me and my friend were JUST talking about this like 3 hours ago, it was one of the best parts of Cata, such an amazing fucking system.

>>383688530
>Then why is it even in the game?
It basically isn't.
Is like unused assets from beta versions sometimes being in games.

Its worthless leftovers now. And I honestly think that is how blizzard views it considering their comments regarding legacy servers.

>>383688447
>Certain fights are RNG heavy
see, i don't think i can actually say that from my current experience raiding in legion. the most rng you can have is a hard hitting player targetting mechanic go on the same person multiple times in a row, or a bad spread of void/soak zones and it's usually spaced out enough that there are ways to mitigate the problems it causes. gearing up is an rng grindfest but once you're sufficiently geared up then encounters are 99% about figuring out how to handle things and then executing properly, the other 1% being times when bosses may bug out in an unintentional manner.

>>383688305
my point in pve vs pvp is that every move can be predicted in pve by just using addons or reading a guide.
The same can be said for pvp, but you're playing against actual people who can think for themselves and so its not nearly as easy to predict setups and pushes. It's not like at x% the mage will cast poly etc, you have to predict your opponents actions based on the current situation(that varies from game to game) and not based on time of the fight or hp % etc

>>383688593
I'm kinda torn on this. On one hand I'm someone that started late in Cata when levelling kinda existed and I had a fucking blast playing through all the old content. By the time I hit Wrath content though I was a bit tired since I still couldn't play with my friends after all the time I had sunk into it. With the amount of expansions we've had since then, I can understand why Blizzard made leveling a joke, but I do think it's a shame that new players won't experience that content which I loved so much.

>>383688476
This actually.

>>383688605
Fine, keep it for the achivementfags and lorefags, but don't make everyone else suffer through it. Or at least make it fun like it was with pre-Legion invasions.

>>383688871

Yeah that's kind of exactly it though. Even at like level 40 I'm fucking tired of leveling my new character, that shit is so bland.

Questing is the most god awful slow thing ever and queueing for dungeons for hours isn't fun unless you're a prot warrior :/

>>383676923
>Easiest part of the expansion
Grind multiple boring dungeons, hit weekly cap. Raid releases, guild leader complains that people don't have enough artifact power, the people that do are in hardcore raiding guilds. Everyone quits the guild.

>>383688943

Oh man, that was the fuck tits.

I remember getting a shaman to 70 in just a couple hours from pre-legion invasions. We need that shit back for oldfags who can't stand to level another character

>>383689035
The best time in WoW that I have ever seen was the pre-Legion invasion. You could equip heirlooms and rocket towards 100.

>>383683861
>One time offer
Retard

>>383689220
loved all the banter in the chat too

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The focus of WoW changed a while ago.
it might as well not be an mmo anymore. Its a massively single player online game.
Interacting with other players is not encouraged anymore
Sure you raid and go through dungeons together but anything more than just "hello" and "goodbye" makes you the weird one.
Everyone runs through all the content and it is more like you all play focused on yourself and your role without really playing "together"
It feels like you are surrounded by a bunch of npcs controlled by players.
That isn't even touching the single player facebook grind content like the garrisons.
Not just gameplay wise the game has shifted more to a single player experience. The story is also not an MMO story anymore
Every player is the class leader of his class.
Every Paladin owns the Ashbringer.

>>383689035
fucking newfags

im only subbed for the rp and community around that i am a part of. we had heroic raids on farm and capped weekly m+ but there was a huge burnout among us about 3 weeks before tomb released because of the stupid gating, now everyone is like a month's worth of gear behind and its pretty difficult hitting 15s

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>>383689320
>ton of lowbies flying around AFK
>fly with my druid
>kill them
>activate flight form again just before falling down and dying

the amount of whispers from alliance players was the sweetest thing of those events

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>>383689220
For real though, that shit was cash.

Hopefully we get some Pre-Kul Tiras pirate invasions too

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>>383687228
I'm speaking purely in terms of class balance issues. wpvp will never be as fun as it was in vanilla, and in my opinion rated pvp was a mistake to begin with.

>>383688447
cont.

So now we're left with the current state of wow due to these changes in design philosophy. Aside from the beginning of the expansion, there is virtually zero raid preparation other than studying up on the fights. So now blizzard has figure out a way to keep players engaged with their game. One of the solutions they chose was the M+ system. I know, some people really dislike it. However, blizzard did manage to introduce a somewhat skill dependent outlet other than raiding for endgame progression.

I would like to mention at this point that I have a very tight-knit guild that I run keys with, and we enjoy the challenge. (Pugging M+ is fucking torture, I'm well aware of that.) Again, we see RNG rear its head here with the wildly varying difficulty of dungeons depending on the weekly affixes. You don't get to choose which key you get, you can only know which dungeons will be difficult for the week. The chest you get weekly from this is yet more RNG. Any raider worth their salt will depend on forging for getting upgrades from the actual dungeon loot. More RNG. Blizzard did this because if there was a way to get the loot you want at the ilevel you want it at relatively quickly, you wouldn't keep running that content every week. You could blow through it in one week with a dedicated group and not have to run M+ until they upgraded the minimum drop ilevel again. (Meaning the next tier)

All of these design choices are there to replace the old philosophy of working towards guaranteed or likely reward over a period of time with a system of slot machines that reward the player on a long enough timeline. (Which has the added benefit of keeping players playing your game, although probably not happily)

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>resub again for the first time since wotlk
>try questing, but the world is extremely dead
>find out all you do is spam dungeons until 90
>not a single soul says a word the entire time

these are real people still, right?

>>383690272
majority are probably botting, actually

>>383690272
same shit happened in wotlk too since everything was

>lfm hc x
>join
>nobody says anything unless someone doesnt know how to do a fight
>bye
>bye

also botting
low levels haha

does /v/ play as males or females? be honest.

>>383690538
male, I still like to self-insert

>>383689114
>>383689220
This
I regret not abusing the fuck out of it to get a full set of level 100s so bad

>>383690538
females, I like to do lesbian ERP

>>383676476
go ahead and reinstall, you'll stop within a week or two anyway

>>383676476
FUCKING READ THIS
If you give them a second chance after WoD then you're a filthy drone. This happened 4 months back
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/372174828/
Blizzard has made a stealth change in the 7.2 patch that scales world monsters to your ilvl. In other words, it doesn't matter if you have titanforged BiS gear or run around naked, you will always need around 20 seconds to kill a single random enemy.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20753795863?page=26#post-502
Their response is the cherry on the shitcake.
>We only lied and deceived you with the change so your reaction would be more genuine. :^)

>ACTIVISION
>ability pruning
>endless artifact grind for a weapon that'll be useless by next xpac

>>383690272
it's almost as if everybody wishes they could just get through the drudgery of levelling as fast as possible without any distractions

>>383689072
>>hit the weekly cap
>not spamming m+

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>>383690272
Have you tried actually talking first? I converse in nearly every dungeon group just by talking first.

>>383690667
Is this really what you're mad over? That the content outisde of raids takes slightly longer?

Fuck off, shitbag.

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>>383676476
>get itch
>download the game
>start a new character
>uninstall
every time

>>383690787
You used to have to communicate in dungeons. Now everyone knows how to play the dungeon before even trying it.

>>383690913
so you're defending Blizz intentionally hiding the fact that they made gear worthless?
yeah whatever Blizzdrone back to Blizzard's cock with you

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>>383691052

LOL when?? I've been playing since mid TBC and I've never "had" to communicate in dungeons to get through it, other than "kill x add before y add", which I still do to this day

>>383691191
>since mid TBC
there's your problem.

>>383691191
Yeah you sure did

>>383691093

Gear is worthless huh?

Alright, you go try and do Mythic Tomb of Sargares with ilvl 800 gear.

>>383680410
Holy Priest is all about stacking different effects from Artifact weapon. And using Holy Words.

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>>383691251
Ah, right, cause only vanilla was real WoW

Felmyst.

>>383690538
Usually I play Female for cloth/leather and Male for chain/plate

>>383690667
it was removed you fucking idiot

what's a decent RP server for US servers? i can already pve and pvp, so it's time to master the final aspect of the game before i call it done.

>>383691379
>gets blown the fuck out
>imply something that wasn't implied and exit the thread!
faggot

Mythic+ is legitimately great, wish they'd thought of it earlier.

I'd kill for having ALL dungeons Mythic+ so there's a huge variety in what you get (or maybe just the dungeons that are complicated enough, so WotLK and later).

>>383690272
I actually really liked questing 1-90 the first time I did it. You can power level through dungeons but it's still pretty fast going zone by zone. If you quest in areas several levels above you it can even be occasionally challenging.

I wouldn't do any zone more than once since it gets old quickly, but if you don't mind spending some time essentially playing a single-player RPG, the 1-60, cata and pandaria zones are actually pretty great (not a big fan of wotlk or most tbc zones, but it's super easy to just do dungeons if you get bored).

>>383688476
>things were changed to 20 man
Wait, what?

>>383691658
>>gets blown the fuck out
missed that bit

I did. Bought Legion and everything.

Then I realized it didn't come with a free month, so I had to start my sub up again.

I enjoyed it for the first week, culture shock having not played since WotLK. Levelled up really quick using LFD as a tank, then I had to do some artifact quest, and then it takes you to this obnoxious job hub, where you don't even do the jobs anymore, you send minions out to do them and they return with rewards in 12-48 hours.

You don't get weapons anymore, you do a quest for a really powerful one, then have to upgrade it with your specialization.

Spec changes are instant, and don't cost a thing. But you gotta have a well equipped quest weapon to utilize it.

All the armor is universal now, stats don't even matter, except on some elitist secondary stat meta for certain specs and builds that they want to claim.

There's no such thing as PvP gear, it's all the same and stats just scale with item level. You also have to be rank 50 in PvP to have talents, but they want you to 'reset' and 'prestige' back to rank 0, and go through all 50 ranks over again for no other reason than bragging rights, and a title.

Raiding is casualized, you don't need 10, or 25 men, you could go in with 13, or 21, and it'd be just the same.

Now there's not only HEROIC dungeons, there's also MYTHIC dungeons, which are super duper hard.

I cancelled my sub already.

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>>383678325
>>383686504

Nice Pirate.

>>383691658
Yeah, you know everyone who raves about how hard vanilla was is a vanilla elitist. I didn't imply anything, there's just a heavily set precedent.

Fuck vanilla elitists, you're faggots and the game sucked then.

>>383676476
I haven't played retail since cata. However I've played private servers on and off since then and each time I do it consumes all my free time just like retail wow did.

In my case I don't have any urge to play retail. I want to experience the fun I had the first time I played the game. Which isn't possible. I've done everything already and so has almost everyone else on private servers. The magic is gone. Despite this my stupid brain still gets addicted to the game.

Wow consumes all my free time. I get less sleep. As time goes on I start feeling drained. Every time I quit it feels amazing. Then I'm bored all the time because I now have all this free time and nothing is as fun as wow was. Then the cycle repeats itself. For me I just need to find something(s) to replace wow with.

If you're anything like me OP it's a no brainer that you shouldn't play it.

>>383691968
Is Outlaw good now?
I tried it while levelling and it seemed garbage compared to Assassination

>>383691792
there is only 1 version of the highest raid difficulty requiring 20 players instead of 2 versions that require either 10 or 25.

>>383691971
I'll paypal you $100 if you can show me where I said or implied vanilla was the best or better.

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I realize this has become less of a pro vs con list for retail and more of an analysis of wow's current state and direction, but it should still be obvious which things about legion I find favorable so fuck it. I'm gonna wrap this up as quick as I can since I'm tired as balls and need to mow my lawn.

>>383690269
cont.

With all these systems of RNG in place that are meant to keep players playing, there's still one puzzling system that blizzard added in legion that doesn't fit in with literally everything else: Artifact power. This is arguably one of, if not the ONLY thing in legion that is guaranteed, linear, grindable character progression. It's easy to see that this system doesn't fit with legion's design philosophy, and the first two raid tiers are a perfect example.

The majority of bleeding edge progression guilds thought emerald nightmare was too easy, and there were tons of "Mythic" raiding guilds at the start of legion. Blizzard later revealed that they didn't account for how much players would grind sources of AP like M+, world quests, and random heroics in order to gear up and most importantly, gain artifact ranks for the first raid. This led blizz to tune the next tier, (In mythic at least) The Nighthold, around everyone having their weapons AP capped and fully ranked. For a whole lot of people, especially those who played more than one spec or needed to switch specs due to balance changes, this was a whole lot of work.

Many people in my guild took a longass time to get to this point and our progression suffered because of it. Many people underperformed due to having to switch specs due to balance changes compounded by the fact that they probably didn't have good legendaries at the time for more than one spec, if that. This is where the conflict between the RNG based systems and AP really began to show, and hurt. Now, blizzard has stacked multiple bandaids on the AP problem in a bunch of shitty ways.

>>383692125
I could smell it on your breath, faggot.

>>383692373
lmao you're so upset, that'll teach you for implying dumb shit

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>last played during Cata
>despite the memeing early Cata was the best the game had been since vanilla
>prot warrior was a lot of fun
>hour of shitlight comes out, everything is nerfed into the ground and I quit for good
>vaguely interested by the promotional stuff for Legion and raiding friends were getting into it, story seemed nice
>get legion and play it for two weeks, prot warrior feels like complete fucking shit and is boring 1-2-3 spamfest and the story fucking blows
I fell for the meme so hard

>>383692573
every class is 1-2-3 spamfest mate.

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>>383692538
You're only getting mad because you know I'm right and you're actually a vanilla loving faggot. It's okay dude, I get it. Some people just can't let go of the past ;(

>>383691971
>you're faggots and the game sucked then.
t. druid or wrath babby

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>>383692839
TBC actually but that's okay, you tried.

>>383692749
>you're actually a vanilla loving faggot.
I offered to paypal you $100 to prove that statement and you cant lmao
raped!

>>383693195
tbc was horrible mate.

Gummycraft is out next week for tbc

No reason to play retail

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>>383692160
cont.

Soft capping AP progression, nerfing grinding methods, changing from a percentage healing/defense/damage bonus to a proc, all these changes because the AP system doesn't fit with everything else. Now players are in a fucked up spot. The incentive for grinding m+ dungeons has been gutted, if you have hit the AP soft cap there's no reason to do 90% of the world quests, which were arguable the bulk of the busywork in legion. Once you have all the legendaries on a character, there's no need to run normal mythics, daily heroics, LFR, or any previous raid tiers other than trying to get a lucky titanforge on a good trinket. (Hey, it's our old pal RNG based progression again)

So now, players are left with little incentive to play legion content other than a few M+ runs a week, raiding, and some pvp if a player wants to keep progressing through honor levels. This is partly why I think all these nice little distractions are important and nice to see, even though they don't fix a fundamentally flawed system for character progression. You might argue and say "Hey, now that you have a character basically where you want it, now you can play an alt!" To which the vast majority of players would probably respond with "Fuck you." I, and I'm sure the majority of players don't want to have to deal with all that RNG and grind again along with all the stress it causes when progressing a character. This is one of the reasons a lot of higher end raiding guilds bit the dust, they couldn't handle keeping multiple characters raid ready with the current progression system.

Anyway, I think I've said all I can say at this point. To answer >>383676476 simply and honestly, I would say that you should only play again if you have a solid group of players waiting for you that you LIKE playing with. If you do, you'll thoroughly enjoy most of legion. If not, you'll quit again pretty soon, like I would have if I didn't play with the people I do now.

/end

>>383693387
I agree. I liked everything WotLK+, excluding WoD which I fucking despised.

>>383693707
thanks for these posts

>>383692728
>>383692573
>tfw Legion adds things I've wanted for years like a system to keep 5-man content relevant beyond the level cap and playable demon hunters
>but they removed even more spells and turned everything I would've been interested in playing into the same boring build/spend spammy baby bullshit
Really wish they had at least left rogues alone instead of revamping them. At least then I could've come back to my old main and gotten a few months of enjoyment out of the game.

>>383693707
do you have a work? are you > 25?

>>383692573
>boring 1-2-3 spamfest
that's every class now, except affliction Warlock who coincidentally are fucking shit

>>383691945

they changed it so once you've hit honor level 50 once, prestige lets you keep your talents, it's just a grind for the rewards at that point. you'd have to be pretty retarded to pvp in legion though.

>>383694195
so there's no point in not prestiging, why do they call it a prestige?

in CoD at least you lost your guns.

>lock will never be as fun universally as MoP ever again

I thought it was garbage what happened outside of demo in WoD to the other two specs, but they somehow made it worse in legion.

>>383693972

>People over 25 with a job can't be very interested in hobbies and writing about them

Sad people

>>383694336
because you used to lose the prestige talents and they didn't bother renaming it when it was changed.

>>383682798
Could be worse, you could be on EU.
EU tokens are 220k

>>383693707

pretty solid analysis anon, also i liked that blue admiral mog but maybe change the boots.

>Ghostcrawler's blog post about cata heroic difficulty is still up on their site

man at least his team understood and had traces of prior work on the game, these nu-devs from d3 just do whatever the fuck they want

>nerf human female weapon size after 12 years
>decide to buff blood elf female weapon size after 12 years
>end up making the blood elf female weapons as big as the human female weapons were pre-nerf

i play neither of these races but it baffles me as to why they keep tampering with things this old and simply mark it as a QoL change, take the new upcoming caster animations for example
>keeping the old animation for literally one spell in your kit

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/2053469/wow-dungeons-are-hard

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>only able to get to around level 35 before making a new character

well, i've managed to grind out 4 new level 35s today. I have no idea what i want to play, i hate being indecisive.

>>383688150

>Look at me I know the REAL grind I'm a REAL man

Look faggot, I played in vanilla too. I just want to fucking play the end game content and not do the barrens quests for the thousandth time.

>>383692049
The gameplay is fun. The numbers are ehhh.

>>383694683
do you at least know what role you want to play? does one class aesthetic standout at least a little bit above the rest? why not just pick the class that's performing the strongest in the role you want to play if you really can't decide?

>>383694843
It's not even the barrens that I mind, it's literally everything between that and end game

For some reason I fucking love starting zones and I love the barrens but so help me fucking god if I quest in other zones. That's why I can't level DPS characters :(

>Come back
>Shamans only have like 5 totems now
>Lightning bolt aren't spheres of lightning anymore
>Uninstall

>come back
>thunder clap hits more than 4 targets
>shield block doesn't even exist anymore
>uninstall

>>383693807
>>383694651
Thanks for reading my dumb video game opinions my dudes

>>383693972
Part time job in my field + university, and no.

Why the fuck are they making priests float when they heal now? Retarded as fuck

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>enhancement shamans are duel wield only now

that is NOT okay. All i wanted was to play 2hand enhancement shaman again.

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>>383688871
I don't know if they keep doing it but when Legion launched they literally gave a free level 100 boost so new and returning players could quickly play with their friends/the new expansion content. There was a q&a months ago that also brought up the fucked leveling with I believe Ion saying they want to go back and fix it now that the level boosts cover the area they fucked leveling for in the first place.

But this is Blizzard so it could stay fucked up another 5 years without anything happening.

>>383695282
Yeah, I'll wait and see for more info on the next expansion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9IXUwqxIao

This shit made me want to play it though. Maybe I should unsub from that channel until Legion ends.

>>383695771
Yes, every new purchase of Legion gives a free 100 boost, my friend bought it about a month and a half ago and is at ilvl 890

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>come back
>generating rage is not a problem at all
>neither is mitigation
>AoE pulls just require one thunder clap and then the mob pack is on me for an entire year
>gear progression is just Diablo
>uninstall

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>>383682035
>raid content

It had a pug life that was unrivaled by anything previous or afterward. I loved getting to shoot the shit with randoms on my server on alts or main that didn't need that lockout.

This high quality pug life set a precedent that was never matched (partly thanks to LFD/R) and is directly responsible for some people falling out of love with the game. LFD/R killed the ability to mingle and make new friends naturally, so after years of the game bleeding friends, there's really no point in playing anymore.

I've since "retired" to the two remaining RP servers worth a damn (MG/WRA) and it's pretty nice as far as sense of community goes. Pugs here are garbage though, because the "RPers are shit at the game" generalization is true in 90% of the playerbase.

>>383693707
>>383692160

This is a good post.

>I would say that you should only play again if you have a solid group of players waiting for you that you LIKE playing with. If you do, you'll thoroughly enjoy most of legion. If not, you'll quit again pretty soon, like I would have if I didn't play with the people I do now.

This is very good advice.

>come back
>there's no warrior stances
>there's no hybrid 31/30 equivalent specs
>everyone and their mother has a Mortal Strike clone
>they introduced ANOTHER plate class.

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>friend and I are playing ffxiv together after having played Legion during launch
>having a fun time
>other friend resubs to wow
>desperately tries to get us to play wow with him, even offers to pay our subs
>"why don't you just play ffxiv with us dude"
>"NO THAT'S A SHIT BABY GAME"

I just wanna play ffxiv with all my friends dammit ;_;

As an RPfag I just want more character slots per realm. SWTOR and GW2 give you the option to buy extra slots for in-game currency or real. I want to try other race/class combinations while being on my realm with friends but only having one slot per class makes it impossible because I don't want to delete the shit I already levelled

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>come back
>use Elixir of Giant Growth
>Use Firewater
>Use Bombay's Growth Spell
>Use Bloodlust
>Get on huge mount
>Immediately Shrink down
>uninstall

Thanks for ruining fun, Blizzard

>>383683607
>hunter
>stealth
huh?

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It's odd, I enjoyed playing Legion when I was raiding and not too long ago my guild fell apart and I decided to stop playing since I was at a point where stopping wouldn't affect the people I had liked playing with in the same way as when we were doing progression. And these last two weeks where I've just completely neglected logging on and letting my sub lapse and have been some of the most fun I've had in a long time.

All these RNG elements of Legion is really put together in a way that, if you're a mythic raider, almost guilt trips you into only playing Legion because you aren't improving your character by farming AP or M+ for that lucky titanforge/a legendary you don't have but is best in slot.

>come back
>do x
>uninstall
is this the new meme?

>>383676476
I reinstalled. I was bored to tears within an hour.

>>383696871
>Come to /v/ since leaving in 2007
>Everything is shit
>uninstall life

>come back
>bags overflowing with gear
>everyone laughed at me for holding on to it
>now it's all in my Xmog catalog
>still hold on to it anyway
>only have like 3 open bag slots
>still not gonna sell it
>uninstall

>>383696736
Camouflage

>>383689072
You are literally ready to raid once you've completed leveling. AP is not a big deal. the real issue is legendaries.

>>383680410
I loved priest and tried so so hard to like it in Legion so it's really sad to say, but reroll. Resto shaman or druid are good options.

what's the best class to play that can avoid Dalaran for as long as possible? my pc is getting pretty out of date and dalaran is the only place that takes 10 minutes just to run through, rest of the game is 100% fine though. Mage probably seems like a decent bet.

>>383676476
i've had an active sub burning away for the last two months. the current endgame is ruined unless you find a casual guild to raid with

the new zone introduces a slew of extra world quest (i.e. dailys) and more dicking around. i stopped doing world quests ages ago, now i'm forced to do them again to fill out my character's power. nah.

most aggravating is they super-inflated artifact power and knowledge. this means that you have to do work orders to increase your rate of power gain. i did a few lfr yesterday, and a dungeon, and had fun with it. then i tagged up my order hall and found two work orders i had forgotten to click. if i had done that first, i would have had 70% more AP gain. and if i wait another week for two more orders, ill get 70% on top of that. and so on. for like 4 months until i max it out again.

the worst part about wow now is this AP system tells you that you're better off playing next week instead of now. and every time you go to play, it's still true. so nobody plays

>>383697942
Druid/Warrior if you don't go mage

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>>383697569

>tfw priest main since mid BC
>have resisted mainswapping to resto druid for over a decade

Legion might be what breaks me. Rdruid has always been my "main alt" and they have NEVER been not-great, but the effort:results gap for them compared to other healers has never been so blatant.

Did legion add any vertical zones like stormpeaks?

blood elf or goblin mage? going fire baby.

>>383698579

BE if you wanna look good in cloth, gobbo if you want to be a special snowflake.

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>>383698579
Fembelf everyday

>>383680410

Are you running heirlooms? Are these tanks you're healing running heirlooms?

you still have to be a goy just to be able to login to do some garrison bullshit lmao

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>mfw all legion zones combined is equal to the size of one vanilla/bc/wotlk zone

>>383699907
I don't think that's true.

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>>383676476
Play a better game instead

>>383676476
Literally anything is better for your time. If your friends are begging you to come play, get better friends (or just hang out when their servers are down). Your backlog can finally get cleared, you can start adding new things to your backlog, you can finally have time to play with your dog, you can get a job without feeling like you're only getting a second one, and most of all YOU'RE NOT PLAYING WOW.
If any of these things appeal to you (or don't), you have your answer.

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>>383683540
It's the way it should be

>>383700342
>hey only play our game a little bit
>but pls pay monthly fee :^)

>>383701403
Yes, pay $13 for a month of play and then wait a couple more months before paying again. You are not forced to pay when you are not playing

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>>383700342
literally this >>383701403
Who the fuck defends this kind of mindset? From the producer no less?
Haha yea just play something else while your sub runs out the remaining 20 days haha
>>383702613
>needing more than a weekend to finish all the SB shit
Fucking casual shitters