How would you handle this situation?

by playing literally anything other than a fucking mmo

>>383674470
Joke about it.
MIGHTY MORPHIN HEALER RANGERS
No sense in just sitting there in a sour mood the entire time if I can feel better about knowing it's going to be slow.

Mods and anons still having a shit fit, oh well.

>O3
>EVERYBODY FACE A
>instead of just facing the boss like anyone that isn't totally fucking retarded

>>383674470
>playing Scholar

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>383674470
>Playing FFXIV

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As the WHM I would outdps all of them and a few actual DPShitters as well.

>>383674624
It wouldn't work either.

>>383674668
My main is WHM.

Bumpity bump.

It sure would be great if 8v8 Feast was actually playable with anything but healer so you aren't guaranteed to have 50% of your games with no healer on your team

Especially great when the other team gets two FROM DIFFERENT FUCKING SERVERS SO THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T PARTIED YOU PIECE OF SHIT MATCHMAKING

>>383675186
Shut up, let me get my easy wins.

>>383675186
You can change jobs in the warm up, its your fault for not swapping

>>383675349
Maybe I want my shitty Verity after I had to sacrifice Frontline roulette because they only put one cocksucking healer on my team for that either

>>383675186
>not playing healer and laughing as two cuck dps try to kill you before your team arrives

Just don't play SCH and healer is fun.

>>383675508
Healers pvp is fun because we annoy everyone else.

>>383675635
>some fag screams for heals
>add him to the no-heals list and heal perfectly healthy people right next to them

>>383674739
I recognize that cute girl (male).

>>383674739
>they designed WHM to be a pure healer
>it actually deals more dps than the others
wew

>>383675863
By pure healer I think they meant having more direct raw healing potency.

What are you hoping for in regards to the small class balance patch that's coming?

>>383674470
3 shields and one regen

>>383675186
>get healer
>for some reason as SAM get focus targeted like the healer
>BIND, STUN, GRAPPLE, GET CHASED ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE MAP THROUGH THE ENTIRE TEAM WITHOUT FAIL

>>383675942
Yet they fucking gave them access to shields, stepping on scholar territory.

>>383675829
And youre not gonna tell us?

>>383676306
>plunge a bitch ass mch
>get knocked back then unmended during first knock back and unmended by another fucker during the draw in all while getting blasted by fags
Felt like a bitch getting thrown and pulled around while unable to do anything

>>383676389
WHM has a single fucking shield that takes the place of their old Stoneskin, which was also a shield.

>>383676389
Divine benisson doesn't really count as a shield.

>>383676750
Are you fucking serious? It's instant, free, only 30 seconds cooldown and shields for fucking 15% which makes it scale 100x better than adlo.

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>yfw get a SCH in a dungeon

>>383675863
He is not so black mage

WEAR YOUR FUCKING VITALITY RINGS

Dear Scholars and White Mages: Fuck you.

Yours truly, YoshiP

>>383676849
It's a single instant, free shield that can never, ever outpace Adloquium's shield values and requires a total of two resources to apply: mana to spend on healing spells to proc a Lilly, and a Lilly to spend on the shield itself.
Meanwhile a properly applied and deployed Adloquium can mitigate colossal amounts of damage for the entire fucking raid.
Can Divine Benis do THAT? No. Now shut the fuck up, you whiney bitch.

>>383676849
And that sounds great to you?
15% hp on a tank(PLD/DRK) is currently equivalent to a cure 1. Can't spam it, can only affect 1 person ever, can only be used with lilies.

>>383676978
but my strength! I need that sweet damage!
>equips level 60 reds in entire right slot
>turns off tank stance for more damage
>pulls entire dungeon
>doesn't use any defensive cooldowns until he's at 5% or less health
>tries to use Living Dead/Holmgang/Hallowed Ground but dies before the animation finishes

shitty healer, do your job, I kept agro...

>>383676849
>>383677080
Forgot to add, usefulness drops sharply on anyone that isn't a tank.

>>383677115
back to OF with you

>>383677080
>>383677064
It should have been a scholar skill whilst white mage got excogitation.

>>383677202
WHM doesn't need Excogitation when it has Tetragrammaton and Benediction.

>>383677202
Hey man, SCH needs some love, but asking to exchange a rather weak ability for another isn't gonna help you.

>>383676978
Haha only if you can outparse me.

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>>383677349
*blocks your path*
I said... Wear your VIT rings... Or else............

Do people play lazier when there's a RDM in the group? I spent my ARR-Stormblood career as SMN and sure, I had to rez people every now and then, but ever since I made the switch to RDM, i'm raising upwards of 4-6 times per fight. Most of my Omega runs have had me bringing back at least both healers, a tank and DPS. Sometimes the healer multiple times.

Do people just see that I have a ton of MP, instant rez and a decent heal and decide to half ass it because I can rescue a raid? I contribute more to keeping a raid alive than I do my own deeps.

>>383677403
>adds class restrictions to to Heavensward accessories
heh, nothing personal, kid...

>meme meta fags start wearing ARR strength gear

>>383677472
There's this thing called level boost potion that filled up the endgame with retards who don't know how to play

>>383677403
Don't YoshiP say he was going to fix people wearing Heavensward accessories before Omega Savage released?

>>383677403
Let us wear STR rings you fucking cunt. HP is not important and your fucking tenacity sucks you fucking hack!

>>383677403
No, i am meta.

>>383677538
RESPECT THE CONTENT GAIJIN

>>383677538
>HP is not important

It's always the tank players saying this and not the healers.

Do you guys not realize that you're just transferring the pressure onto the healers? You're not noticing problems with less HP because you're causing a problem for somebody else, not yourself, you asshat

>>383674470
that looks fun as fuck

>>383677631
I'm a healer main and never had problem with this outside of Susano EX.

>>383677631
Stop being shitter and git gud.

>>383677538
Reminder STR memes only worked in ARR for overgeared content so you could carry bad DPS

>>383677643
taking so long to kill the enemies in a room that more enemies spawn isn't fun, especially when the classes DPS mechanics consist of putting up 2 DOTs and then literally just pressing 1 button over and over again

>>383677531
I boosted a WAR I'm doing alright even if I feel a serious difference with other tanks.

>>383677683
That's because most tanks actually are geared properly with VIT accessories

>>383677760
If you can avoid AoEs and actually use your defensive cooldowns on a rotation or for tankbusters you are already amongst the top 1% of the most elite, highly skilled tank players

>>383677631
You're not even doing half the dps I do as a tank so shut up and heal me you fucking slut.

>>383674470
>Selene Fey Wind - Increases attack speed of self and nearby party members by 3%
Didn't it used to be 10 or 20 percent? How is this even useful unless it's up the entire match?

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>>383674470
By praising Yotsuyu of course

>>383677773
No, I'm saying I only had problems with full STR tanks on Susano EX. That's because they aren't using right cooldowns for Stormsplitter, and get deleted by the auto after it.

I stopped playing around level 67 and my sub just ran out. I'll have to come back at some point.

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>load default UI
>kenki gauge is so fucking enormous it overlaps the quest list

How long until faggot mod wiil delete this thread?

>>383677826
That doesn't sound very encouraging.

>>383677880
I WANT LADY YOTSUYU TO STEP ON ME!

>>383677887
Tell your shitter tanks to cast Provoke and and use Shirk during the casting animation of Stormsplitter so they don't get any autoattacks while they have the slash resist down debuff

>>383677986
What I'm saying is that most FFXIV players are fucking retards

>>383677887
So you don't have a problem with it outside of that time you have a problem with it?

>>383678004
What does shirk do exactly? The tooltip is a bit confusing.

>>383678004
I don't feel like most tanks realize Stormsplitter locks in its target right when the castbar starts, so they wait to provoke until after it hits.

Also how the fuck do most tanks not know how to use shirk yet?

>>383677935
Oh, thanks for reminding me that I should re-size my job UI elements.

>>383678004
>>383678103
>Shirk
I have yet to see a VIT tank using it.

>>383678092
Shifts 25% of enmity from caster to target.
So if you're MT, and the OT at 80% of that, you can shirk him to make him the MT, without Provoke.
It also helps build aggro gap between tanks and DPS.

>>383678069
Yeah I don't have a problem healing STR tanks, except for one rare case.

>>383678172
K, it's pretty useful.
As OT, can you provoke then use shirk right after to give a boost of aggro to the MT?

>>383678172
>So if you're MT, and the OT at 80% of that, you can shirk him to make him the MT, without Provoke.
That's not actually quite how Shirk works. You need your co-tank to provoke, THEN you use Shirk, otherwise you're simply dumping 25% of your enmity on your target. If your co-tank doesn't voke before you Shirk, you'll more than likely end up accidentally putting a DPS or healer at the top of the threat list. That's bad.

>>383678281
If you're OTing and you just want to boost your MT's threat, you don't even need to provoke. You can just Shirk.

>>383678172
I'm a VIT tank and I use that shit constantly. If a fight doesn't require swaps and I'm OT, I will provoke > shirk on cooldown, since I've yet to meet another tank who actually knows to shirk > provoke when I provoke. And of course if swaps are required, I'll shirk whenever I hand it off. Because it's fucking easy and then I don't have to worry about taking threat back if the person taking it wants to DPS stance (they never do, and since they don't shirk when I take it I can't either).

I'd grab a set of STR accessories but I'm like 90% certain 4.05 is just going to lock them to DPS classes.

>>383678281
You can do that exact thing, or if you know the MT isn't a retard you can provoke, then the MT shirks you, provokes back, then you shirk and you both have gained a significant threat lead.

>>383678373
>If you're OTing and you just want to boost your MT's threat, you don't even need to provoke. You can just Shirk.
But you should, because then you're adding 25% of their threat, not 25% of your much much lower threat. If you're doing pure DPS you're going to be way behind the MT, probably not even #2 on the threat list.

>>383678476
This is true, I don't disagree.

>>383678092
>>383678103

Shirk is INSANELY useful for any fight which involves a tank swap. It's so good. It makes the tank swap clean, makes a huge cap so you don't need to worry about taking agro back by dumping a bunch of cooldown damage, and it also gives a massive boost to the gap between the tank and party agro.

The way you use it is the offtank uses provoke on the boss, and then the main tank uses Shirk on the offtank to switch places. If Tank 1 had 1000 enmity and tank 2 had some tiny amount because he was DPSing, then after the swap Tank 2 would have 1250 agro and Tank 1 would have 750. The ideal tank swap.

>>383678172
I always use Shirk on tankswaps, and I've seen some other tanks using it on me. Right now I think it's like less than 1/4th of duty finder tanks will actually do it. It's not like it's a vital thing, or that you'll fail a duty because of not doing it, but it really is a nice little thing that makes swaps smoother and helps keep the agro gap without wasting global cooldowns on the enmity combos

>>383678281
Yeah, that's how you use it when there's no need for a tank swap in the next two minutes.
Optimally you use it when the boss is casting something, so it doesn't get spun around.

>>383678373
You are right that co-tank should voke first, but when there's a situation like Stormsplitter, and your asshole is about to get split apart, and he's not provoking, then yeah, you Shirk and take the slight loss.

>>383678375
I do have all Lakshmi shit ready and two Omega bolts waiting (most likely ring and necklace), because prog is no joke and I am going to play it safe. Just gotta hope they don't go full retard and throw us some retarded "fix".

>>383678004
>>383678103
1-2-voke-3 works for tank swaps the same as ever.

Shirk shines when shucking off enmity makes mechanical sense. Lakshmi EX is the obvious one, but check this out: you can lowman Thordan EX by shirking onto a DPS right before the two holy bladedance knights. Keeps them from tethering and makes the fight clearable with 1 tank.

>>383678647
If your co-tank's not provoking when they should be for a tankbuster like Stormsplitter then you need to pull them aside and have give them a firm talking-to about doing their job. Because I've had tanks provoke late for Stormsplitter and I'm sitting there with my fucking thumb up my ass asking out loud "WHEN'RE YOU GONNA TAKE THE BOSS FROM ME?" and they provoke one AA after the buster lands and everyone's dead and it's just a god damn mess.
Bottom line is PROVOKE EARLY FOR TANK SWAP BUSTERS
I'm just venting, this isn't aimed at you.

>have to go through 20 parties before getting my Susano kill
>friend joined a random party after my kill that said it was learning but ended up being a static that was carrying people for free if they were stuck

>>383678764
I'm PFing everything I do because finding a static is a mess, and stopped trying to explain how to play tanks to people back in ARR. Math behind Butcher Block is hard to understand to a lot of people.

>>383678710
I don't think anybody is saying Shirk is "required". It's just a quality of life improvement for the other tank. You don't even need to waste those three global cooldowns with a 1 2 3. You can tank swap with Shirk and just immediately start spamming Holy Spirit or using Royal Authority without a care of the other guy pulling enmity by blowing all his oGC at once

>>383678172
>>383678373
>>383678375
>>383678629
>>383678647
A'right guys, thanks for the advice on shirk. It's pretty interesting stuff with different ways to use it. Hope I won't shit the bed when using it.

>>383678924
You can make an useful macro.

/micon Shirk
/ac Shirk <2> <- copy paste this 14 times

>That one retard on a lakshmi ex video aruging the lyrics are "cast off your ablution" when it clearly is "cast of inhibition" nevermind the fact that Lakshmi is literally a goddess of love and beauty and even seduces you for her ultimate

Why are retards allowed to go online?

>>383678924
Shirk is your best friend. Learn to live it and love it, because it's literally the best damn tool we've been given in SB. It's not required but it's just so, so so so so good.

>>383679003
that macro sucks

add a <se.6> to it. Every macro needs <se.6>

>>383678837
What a nice static.

>>383678921
Shirk is insanely nice in terms of tank DPS. If you're in tank stance you can hold threat just fine by doing your DPS rotation, but with Shirk in the mix both tanks can simply establish an early lead with tank stance, and then DPS stance the whole fight. It's certainly not something I expect to see in DF or anything, but I do like that it's a thing that can happen with well organized groups to let you really optimize.

>>383679005
For about two weeks I thought she was saying
>Your souls are ssssteammmmed

>>383679057
True.

>>383679057
Stahp.

>>383679003
This fucking macro never works for me therefore I always focus my tank partner and use <f>

Uninstall the shit game.

>>383674470
How the fuck do you handle this situation in frontlines?

>>383679116
I was gonna ask why you're not focusing the boss, but on second thought spells are now cast on the aggro list.

>>383679116
>>383679057
>>383679003
Adding to these posts; you can also write a mouse-over macro for Shirk. I've personally written one for Shirk and Intervention, and they're very handy.

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>>383679106

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>>383679172
It's the only way out

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>All this talk of generating and holding emnity
>It all goes to shit the second this pops of

>>383679308
USE FUCKING DIVERSION OR LUCID DREAMING YOU FLAMBOYANT CUNT.

>>383679308
>implying you'll have a chance to pull agro when you're spending half the time quickcasting raise on your shitter teammates who can't handle mechanics

>>383679418
No.

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>>383679418
>Those dps who think lucid dreaming is to be used BEFORE your opener

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>>383679485
Better swap that focus for a shield then fuccboi because guess who's coming for your ass?

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>that OT that doesn't manage to get #2 on Aggro in Lakshmi
Give fucking DPS fucking Shirk already, Diversion is fucking shit if you are a SAM.

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MCH is retarded in PVP.

>>383679565
Shut up blondie, nobody can stop my fat deeps.

>>383679665
Tell that to the tankbuster honey.

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>>383679665

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>>383679643
Well, at least we got something, ehehe

/macrolock
/macroicon Protect
/echo You are now switching to Protect.
/aaction Esuna off
/aaction Protect on
/ac Protect <wait.3>
/aaction Protect off
/aaction Esuna on

Best macro ever holy shit.

>>383677631
Just healed a Paladin and Warrior in DPS stances for both Extremes. Shut the fuck up healing is not hard and I get an erection every time someone fucks up so I can actually do something.

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>running O3 as PLD mt
>our party has three RDMs
>healers are retarded and die
>RDMs are just standing there and keep dpsing
>barely keep myself alive by the skin of my teeth thanks to Clemency
>after a fucking eternity the RDMs realize they might have to do something and start raising the healers
>healers are still retarded and die again
>this repeats a few times with the RDMs raising, healers dying, and me staying at a near constant 20% health by carefully rationing out all my mitigation and MP throughout the entire fight
>not once during this does anyone think of throwing a Vercure at me or anything
>finally, healers wisen up and stop dying
>at this point the boss is almost dead so we just finish him off
>"lololol three red mages we saved the run xD"
>0 player commendations

>>383680078
>three RDMs
I saw two people complain about that comp too.
Is RDM a retard magnet?

Can someone tell me what happened to SCH that you people are crying about it?

I play DPS only so I don't care which healers I get as long as I get healed properly.

What are some fun classes to play? I have only played PLD and DRK for the most part, with the exception of having to get CNJ to 15.

>tfw just finished 2.X MSQ in under 24 in-game hours
I'm so ready to jump into savage content with leaf right next to my name :^)

>>383680170
They lost half the things that made them fun to begin with and what's left is now strictly and completely inferior to Noct AST in every way.

>>383677472
>O2 as RDM
>One of the healers bites the bullet
>Passive agressively moans about the fact there are 2 RDMs in the party who don't raise

>>383680131
Worse than 2.x dragoons

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>>383679665
>When the RDM tries to talk about fat deeps

>>383680224
Just say "I'm here to DPS, not to do a healers job lol".

>>383680212
You still have about 300 msq to go.

>>383680242
no.

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Why play and monthly pay for FFXIV when there is BDO?

>>383680242
8/10

>>383680220
>lv30 arcanist skills
>fun
I genuinely feel bad for them. You'd think the people with brains would've moved on to SMN already

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>>383680294
If I was forced to play BDO and the only way to not play it would be a monthly fee I'd pay that monthly fee.

>>383680170
SCH being so use to their OP status. So when the nerf bat finally came they cry about not have a raid spot and want to go back to being mandatory.

>>383680256
Susanoo pisses me off so much when I get that Churning Debuff every fucking goddamn time which loses me a lot of DPS.

>>383680375
>he doesn't have a healer or tank buddy to cover him so he can DPS through the debuff exploding

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>>383676389
>Being so absolutely buttblasted by SCH nerfs that you have to complain about Divine Benison
>Not realizing that Noct AST is the entire reason SCH is in the shed to begin with

>>383680375
>not just ignoring it
If one healer is not doing hardcore DPS, he's now your bitch.

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>>383680375
>churning debuff runs out
>still get hit by it 1 sec after

why is blm so fucking broken?

>fire 4 spams
>thunder 3 proc
>foul

>AOE is broken
>thunder 4 proc over and over
>fire 2 spam with b4 umbral heart
>foul

>>383679565
You ripped my agro sissy, you tanking now.

Man I really love how this expansion has made all the smug faggot scholars super salty

>>383680491
I'm salty about SCH and it's not even my main healer.

>>383680424
This is actually what I don't get. Fucking hell that pisses me off.

Glad I already got my weapon there.

>>383680131
Rdm and Sam is both retard magnets. But just because there are so many of them, and it's the new hot class.
I think I've seen more retards Sam than rdm tho

>>383680491
>made all the smug faggot scholars super salty
Best expansion for this alone.

>>383680491
I'm salty about how fucking boring the class is, they're being used in 95% of the top speed kill groups on extreme primals, doesn't mean they don't need fixing because they're still clunky shit right now

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>log on
>check retainer and mb listings
>don't even feel like doing anything
>log out
this has been happening for the past like 4 days
originally I wanted to get bard from 30-70 but I remembered how tedious leveling is as a dps so I just stopped, and all the content is time-locked

>>383680131
People hear about the big numbers for little skill and flock to it. They don't care that we can battle raise and doublecast Vercure for 8k a pop.

Sure it's great to crit for 23k, but if you're going to RDM, you need to realize that if anything goes wrong (healers die, tanks die, you take aggro or someone goes OoM) it's our responsibility to put the DPS away and get everyone back on their feet.

With Lucid dreaming, we could conceivably raise both tanks and healers as well as a DPS, heal them all to acceptable levels and give 20% of our MP to a WHM/DRK and still have some left to play around with.

That said, the LOLRDM is real thanks to Displacement. I personally have used Displacement and found myself falling out of Titan's arena, or directly into an AoE marker, or into the land mines of Doma Castle, or the bear traps in Hullbreaker. Displacement gets you into a lot of trouble if you don't think about when to use it. I'm going to be running Exdeath today and I know full well that Displacement should not be used during phase 2. It's worse than DRG dives

>>383680375
I just heal through it. That said, I do get a notice in advance. It's actually pretty fun to do.

>>383680620
I can sell you some queues boy ;)

The EX Primals this time around are easy because of new blood for sure.

My question is though, where there a lot of new people that really joined in your servers? Like a lot of level 60+ sprouts?

>>383676878
Leveling SCH and currently 66. Currently have had zero complaints by playing SCH, and also find it appealing I can provide a good bit of utility to my party and negating damage entirely is kinda neat.

My only complaint so far is MP issues show up as early at 45 and learning pet positioning is weird sometimes.

Not really a complaint about Chain Strategem but it doesn't seem like a DPS increase. It also doesn't translate well regarding the tooltip. Does it mean the enemy is more vulnerable to crits, or simply people have an increased chance of doing crits to the target?

>>383680637
>Tfw Displacing out of Black Holes into a safe area
It is actually super rewarding when executed well, but you need to get a feel for its distance and know the fight.

>>383680708
I've had a lot of first time bonuses in dungeons/content that you would never think it would happen in. Every time it's people who are over the level sync. People synched down from 60 that are getting first time bonuses in Brayflox and Stone Vigil.

Finishing up BTN.
Leveled it as the same time as MIN but I keep having shit luck with collectables.

Are SCH/SMN not even worth trying at this point? It always seemed like a neat class and I have been wanting to try more jobs. But all I have seen are complaints about both.

>>383677864
It's always been 3%. It's a minor DPS increase on a low CD, but no one uses the support fairy anymore. Not even with two SCH in the raids.

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>>383677080
Divine Benison is basically "we removed stoneskin. Here's notStoneskin"

meanwhile you have the more useless Plenary Indulgence

>Need confession stacks which are ANOTHER proc based resource, and are on a per-party member basis rather than just something the WHM gets themselves
>one Confession stack Indulgence is weaker than Cure 1, three Confession stacks is weaker than Cure 2
>Also it only affects those with confession stacks
>Also if you happen to unfortunately get two WHMs they can't tell which confession stacks belong to which WHM

>>383680242
Face and hair are pretty good. Not so sure about the clothes though.

>>383680708
Bismark and Ravana were easy as shit too back when HW launched. What wiped everybody was the dps check in bismark since everyone wasn't used to their new rotations yet, and the double prey liberation was what fucked most groups in Ravana even though it wasn't all that hard to understand

>>383680875
They lost half of their dots.
SMN now has long ass windup time.
SCH now has big ass mana costs.

That's about it.

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>>383680872
>get Toto-Rak in leveling roulette
>DRK says "first time"

>>383677693
The current meta is to wear 270 STR accessories from HW (since it's the highest ilvl ones that Tanks can wear) rather than the BiS VIT accessories

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>level-gated before Susanoo (at the quest where you're given the waterbreathing enchantment and access diving)
>grind up a bit and proceed with the MSQ; beat Susanoo
>10 minutes later get level-gated again (at the quest where you're entering Yanxia)
Cool game. This is as bad as ARR was before they added leveling roulette.

Also the game can spawn all the sidequests it wants, I'm not doing them if they only reward ~1/100th of my EXP bar.

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>>383677538
exfuckingcuse me?! you will wear these vit accesories and you will do shit fucking dps you are my bitch faggot i will make sure of this on savage release.

>>383680875
SMN was so much fun in 3.0. I dropped it like a bad habit about a week after getting it to level 70.

>>383680901
Yep, what a shit 70 ability. It's like rng on top of rng healing.

>>383680973
>getting level-gated ever

>>383680963
The 270 meta is for autists that jerk off to their fflogs.

>>383681036
t. graylet

>>383680875
SMN has some stupid things to it, but ultimately it's fine, nothing too wrong with it. SCH used to be OP and was nerfed so hard that salt levels are off the charts..

>>383679418
>use Lucid Dreaming as RDM all the time
>99% of the time it's because RDM pulls hate like fucking crazy and not because they need MP

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>>383680962
>get AV
>tank is a sprout
>healer is a sprout
>It's their first time there.

>>383680938
But Bismarck and Ravana had a more tighter DPS checks than Susanoo and Lakshmi. Also the mechanics on the 1st EX SB Primals are far more simplified than HW 1st EX Primals.

>>383680973
Do dungeons a few time at the level you unlock them you can easily get 1/4th of your xp.

>>383680973
>getting lvl gated
Go pvp you fool. Hell you can afk and still get huge exp even if your team loses.

>>383680973
Go and unlock Violet Tides optional dungeon.

I never found myself level-gated personally, but that's because I do every single sidequest in the expansion, as well as daily runs of whatever dungeon/primal I last unlocked. Ended up at level 70 before entering the level 69 story dungeon.

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>try whm
>suddenly barely enough sklls for 1.5 cross bar space
>try pld
>not enough space for skills on 2 crosbars

what did they mean by this?

>>383680875
SMN can still work but SCH is really fucking wonky. Currently the weakest healers and are only in the meta because Chain Strategem memes

>>383680901
>Building a healbomb on someone by healing them, thus deleting the need for the healbomb
>It doesn't auto-detonate like Earthly Star or Excog
It's the most useless skill next to the likes of Shake It Off.

>>383680973
I never got level gated during the MSQ in SB. Ever. I did every FATE I came across, had a food buff on me, and had max resting XP the entire time. Also you can snowball with the Twist of Fate buff in a bonus XP fate and get easily 200k+ XP.

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>sephirot was the last good primal

what the fuck keeps going wrong?!

>>383681173
>Chain Strategem memes

That's a new one. I'm still confused regarding the tooltip for it.

Does that mean the target is more vulnerable to crits or does it mean people have a better chance to get a crit?

>>383681129
>go afk in pvp
>it takes nearly 10 matches to level now
honestly I don't get why they did this
it won't stop me from afking, it's just punishing people who actually play the game

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>>383681195
>thought I would need to detonate Earthly Star the second it becomes Giant Dominance to ensure the recast timer begins ASAP
>you don't
>you can let it auto-detonate after 20s and the cooldown will be at 40s, not 60

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>>383680962
>be MT
>say "First time! :D" every time I get into an instance
>it's really not
>I'm also stacked with the OT and at least 1 of the healers

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>>383681162
Use extended crossbars, comfy as heck.

>>383680294
BDO has even less content than XIV, and of that content half of it is done by going afk.

>>383681259
it's literally just Battle Litany, but instead of increasing the party's crit rate, it increases the rate at which the target takes crits, which still amounts to the same effect in trials

>>383680973
How the fuck did you even get level-gated in SB?

You didn't do any quests? Even just doing 5 quests per zone and at least 3 Fates, get's you very near to the next level. SB actually has too many quests to the point that you will stop doing most of them near the end of the story because there you are already almost level 70 by then.

>>383681259
People attacking have 15% more chance to land a crit.

>>383681314
how do they work?

>>383681162
I use the double tap L2/R2 space and the R2+L2, L2+R2 space. Should be more than enough.

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>>383680425
It's good to be YoshiP's pet job.
You also forgot two (2) flares every aoe rotation.

>>383681337
>>383681343

Ah. Thank you.

Hoping for some buffs on the 18th before I go level another job.

>>383680425
>fire 2 spam
Is double flaring then switching back wrong?

>>383681356
You can set half of a crossbar to be activated when you hold both trigger buttons.
You can set it so there's two, depending on which one you press first (so L2 into R2 gives you different skills than R2 into L2), but I have both of them bound to Bar 3 left side.

>>383680425
Despite that they're not uncontested big dick caster DPS like SAM despite also being a "Selfish DPS"

still fun though.

>>383681195
Shake it off is useful because Healers never carry Esuna anymore.

>>383681480
Correction. Most healers don't carry any role skills.
Another correction. Most players don't carry any role skills.

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>>383681095
>use Lucid Dreaming as SMN all the time
>99% of the time it's because I need MP and not because I'm pulling any hate

>>383681434
it's fine. I think the AoE rotation is:

>Blizzard 4
>Fire 3
>Fire 2
>Fire 2
>Flare
>Flare
(if off cooldown)
>Convert
>Foul
>Flare

since the Umbral Heart Flare has the same effect regardless of if you use it at 1 or 3 Umbral Hearts, you might aswell just use them on Fire 2s first.

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>The records suggest you would have made a poor monk
F-fuck you Marjorie

>Worst lvl 70 action
Plenary Indulgence
>Worst lvl 68 action
Shake it off
>lvl 66
Wind Tackle
>lvl 64
???

>>383676541
>Shatter
>me and some other MNK go for a crystal in enemy territory that only has two guys buy it
>I have fever and the MNK has battle high, crystal is on the cliff near our base so it's relatively safe
>bogeys are a MCH and a DRG
>DoT the crystal and target the MCH
>MNK starts mindlessly punching the crystal
>MCH casually strolls up to the MNK
>MNK has battle high so he must know what he's doing
>nope
>MCH knocks him off
>get chased by both back to base
>flames are there because my team is retarded and let them walk past the entire team to back cap us
>get fucked

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>>383681553
>triplecast
>flare
>foul
>flare
>convert
>swiftcast
>flare

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>>383681142
>>383681123
I wasn't aware there was a dungeon available. I saw the icon in the corner of the Ruby Sea map, but assumed it was unlocked later. I'm guessing that's the blue-icon quest in Sui-no-Sato which I ignored assuming it was another pointless aether current. I'll unlock that later, thanks.

>>383681031
>>383681129
>>383681203
>doing all the sidequests
When I did a MSQ in that shithole Ala Mhigan town where you first see Fordola and a dozen sidequest icons popped up I just said "nah" because I hated that hideous zone. I did all the ones in Doma, but when the same thing happened in the pirate town and after talking to the asshat leader of the underwater village I realised it was becoming a trend and I'm just going to ignore them from now on.
So much for "we're making sidequests more valuable because people hated the moogle quests".

I'd do PvP but that requires learning a new skillset revolving around PvP actions, and fuck that noise as well.

>>383681480
>every healer has their own personal cleanse
>I know let's just
>fucking remove them
>and make it cross role :^)

Why not make Raise cross role and make me waste a slot on that too you fucks

>>383681605
What's even the best thing you can have on this?

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>>383681393

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>>383681658
*Manashifts you after your convert flare*

Dont' forget to MP pot flare!

>>383681227
I liked Sophia and the asshurt Zurvan caused.

>>383674668
Havent played in a few years.
Is sch now bad?

If so im glad i didnt come back

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>>383681668
>tries to do MSQ
>doesn't do the things that give tons of EXP for relatively little effort
>"wow why am I being level gated"

>>383681780
SCH got knocked off their high horse into a pit of endless despair

it sucks

>>383681689
I've never had a group get anything better than "average". Everyone seems to need to be performing at a high level to get anything better. It's pretty demoralizing to get told you're a shitter basically every time though because the rest of the group sucks.

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>>383681162
>try whm
>suddenly holes everywhere in the front hotbar

>>383681668
>plays an MMO
>doesn't involve themselves with the game world in any capacity beyond the main attraction of the themepark
>wonders why he's barred entry at every stop
I personally did a large chunk of the sidequests in SB for the story. Especially in the Azim Steppes and Ruby Sea. I enjoyed those a lot.

>>383681780
Healing as scholar in dungeons is the worst feeling ever now

t. man who had scholar at 60 but dropped it when I went into a low level dungeon after stormblood released

>>383681668
>I'd do PvP but that requires learning a new skillset revolving around PvP actions, and fuck that noise as well.

It took me one match to figure that shit out, anon. I was actually kind of intimidated by it but after a few rounds, it was nothing.

>>383681680
Tanks have to slot their old cooldowns and Provoke which is absolutely necessary in most High-end fights, but of course slut healers are the biggest fucking complainers in this game.

>>383681609
SMN Devotion would be it.

>>383678216
>>383677683

>I've never had a problem with STR tanks except in the only fight in the game right now that is somewhat challenging and thus is the only fight where gear is even relevant

How retarded are you that you don't see this problem? If Susano gives you trouble with STR tanks, Savage will be impossible.

is it me or suddenly leveling a second job takes fucking ages?

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name a better set than this you probably can I just never use anything else

How long until thread will be deleted?

>>383681780
SCH lost a lot of its DPS kit I also think that the kneejerk reaction to the WHM changes during the press release spooked devs into making WHM very powerful while ignoring SCH.

SCH still brings utility to the table, negates damage, and heals, but most people will bring an AST/WHM over a SCH.

MP costs are a bit much and requires some careful management of abilities, skills, and keeping your fairy positioned carefully.

>>383681928
>be WHM
>lose the following to cross role and have to use my slots just to get them back
>Cleric's Stance (LOL)
>Protect
>Esuna
>Largesse
>Lucid Dreaming
>Also Stoneskin is gone and Fluid Aura does no damage

>>383682002
Not really, it might seem longer because you don't have the msq xp to carry you.

>>383681940
Whoa good thing it won't since they're gonna fix something about it in the same update as savage comes out.
Retard.

You're reaching out awfully to prove your point. The only problem on Susano is that the tank rarely dies during the swap and someone has to rez him. So on second thought, yeah, I don't have a problem.

>>383682010
2.3 meme BRD set

Run through the whole dungeon and have the whm kill literally everything with holy

>>383682041
>requires some careful management of abilities, skills, and keeping your fairy positioned carefully
Reminder that this is what made SCH """"mains"""" collectively shit themselves because they're exposed for being shit healers hiding behind Eos's ass all year long

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>>383682041
Yeah, people were freaking out about the WHM changes but didn't notice SCH being nerfed to shit

>let's nerf fairy healing
>and make Adloquium more expensive
>and make AST nocturnal shields better than them, and cheaper, and instant
>and reduce Aetherflow gain to 10%

SCH is actually better off just removing Adloquium from their hotbar

>>383682041
>I also think that the kneejerk reaction to the WHM changes during the press release spooked devs into making WHM very powerful while ignoring SCH.
But WHM didn't change at all from the press release except making lillies guaranteed off Cure 2, which is practically nothing since lillies are shit.

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>>383674470
>Go MCH for shits and giggles
>see a group of 3 warriors and 1 healer in frontlines trying to slap some ice
>walk up and try and knee cap the healer as he was out of position
>Warrior A Holmgang's me to him
>Warrior B Holmgang's me to him, further away from my party
>Warrior C pulls me into a oncoming horde Melee friends
>that level of coordination just to kill one player who scratched their healer
>mfw

You fuckers said that Monks got cucked. Why the fuck do I see now that it's actually LolDRGs that are getting shit on?

>>383682062
>WHM able to shit out more damage than ever
>Zero MP problems whatsoever
>Assize is now fucking crazy
>Short CD on Tetragrammaton
>Doesn't have to time their damage phases around boss abilities since stance dancing gone
>Can unequip Protect after it has been cast so only one healer needs to bring it into fight
>Thinking stoneskin was worth anything after the Heavensward nerf
>SCH being cucked by AST securing WHMs place in raids
>Despite all this still manages to complain

>>383682298
People also said WHM was getting cucked this expansion, and it was actually SCH. No one has a clue what they are talking about here.

>>383681103
if you have bad dps you aren't going to be clearing lakshmi or susano either
the two sets are basically on par

>SCHs thinking they're great healer
>Finally gets nerf
>All the SCHs get exposed for being shitty healers
The great healer purge has finally begun.

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>>383681807
>for relatively little effort
Rubbing out all the fetchquests in a hub's post-MSQ "you did a thing" flareup takes like an hour. And the Ruby Sea had at least four such flareups. Fuck that.
Give me a quarter of the quests at 10-times the EXP. Then I'll do them. At least running dungeons gives you stuff for glamour and lets you practice your rotation on beefier monsters; hearing about how I saved Pirate Tanaka's crew by fetching him 5 shark fins doesn't actually enrich my day. Nor does doing 10 variations on the aforementioned.

>>383681905
I used to care. I did every sidequest in ARR and HW. I actually enjoyed the moogle quests even.
But having 20 generic quests pop up like pimples on a teenager's face right when something is finally fucking happening in the story just makes my eyes glaze over.

>>383681920
I'm not very good at playing my job.
Just to clarify that remark: I pulled out my parser for Susano and beat all the other 4 DPS as Ninja, but that's more a testament to 90% of the players in this game being shit than me being good. I'm probably like 60th percentile- better than the subcretin casuals that made me stop PUGing Savage/EX primals, but I fumble buttons and screw up under pressure.
And PvP attracts good players, so I'd probably just get shitstomped.

>>383682063
No, I mean compared to before the expansion

>>383682395
what

what's so good about classes getting nerfed?

>>383682170
Fairy healing nerf was necessary. Eos was too fucking good and could essentially solo heal the raid while the SCH played full-time DPS.

But it was unnecessary to both nerf Aetherflow's regen AND increase Adlo's cost. It's like they thought Adlo was too good because it's so strong when it crits and can be deployed, but neither of those things happen very often, and the rest of the time Adlo is garbo. I kind of get the feeling that SCH is tuned for the higher levels of Piety that they'll have in higher ilvl gear.

AST shields being better than SCH's while also being cheaper and instant is really fucking stupid. AST is just so absurdly overpowered right now and they need nerfs way more than SCH needs buffs.

>>383682372
b-but chain strategem!

Can someone explain to me why people whine about lilies? I fail to see the problem with them.

>>383682298
Cuckshed is a meme. Never believe the memes.

I'm starting to get the impression people either feel sorry for me on Machinist or that because they can now see what I'm doing more easily they assume I'm doing a lot and really good at it.

I think I'm playing pretty well (not perfectly by any means) and my dps is fairly shit, I generally lose to anyone playing other DPS classes at all competently, generally parsing like 2.2k - 2.4k on bosses in Doma Castle while Monks and shit are nearing 3k, but I keep getting commendations.

>>383682380
Lakshmi is a bit more lax because it doesn't require as much movement as Susano.

What's the point in paying for this game monthly again? I played the trial and it's big and all but it doesn't seem amazing

>>383682501
There's no problem with them, anyone who still complains about them hasn't gotten the news that WHM is actually really good now. All the hate came from pre-release when people were speculating that they were gonna be shitty.

>>383682469
I don't have them both leveled to 70 but did have them both to 64

>SCH Adlos for about 4000, meaning he shields for about 4000 too
>Crits would be about 6000 meaning 12000 shields

>AST Nocturnal benefics for about 3200, making the shields 8000. All the time
>Crits amount to about 12000 HP shields too because the 250% shields don't suddenly stop with crits

>>383682435
Frontlines isn't hardcore PvP. Plus it's 24vs24vs24, there will be all sorts of people in it. And the buttons have been dumbed for easy use. If you're really afraid of going toe-to-toe with people, you can just focus on killing ice.

>>383681609
I'm pretty sure Rook Overdrive can compete with Shake it Off for 68.

>>383682326
The only real problem with current WHM is that the Lily system is really shitty because the lillies are so fucking wimpy that it's better to just ignore them. You proc one if you want to cast Penison and that's it, the rest of the time it's effectively a tiny passive bonus that you ignore.

They were just set on giving every class a shiny gauge so you get shit like Lillies which might as well not exist. Fuck that, if you're going to give a class a gauge at least make the effort to have it be important.

>>383682702
PLD and WAR's job gauges are the same. They only make the jobs feel clunky and the gauges themselves add absolutely nothing that wouldn't have been achievable without just making the new skills cost MP (in paladin's case at least).

>Knock on door
>SCH opens the door
>Yoshi-P at door along with two tough guys
>Yoshi holding a nerf bat
>SCH points at WHM
>"There he is officers! Take 'em away!"
>The guys grab SCH
>"You're coming with us!"
>"Wait there must be some kind of mistake!"

>>383682395
Fairy healing needed to be nerfed, but everything else was fine. Aldo MP increase was retarded, and AST shields shouldn't be better than SCH shields.

>>383682592
Yoshi seems to put a lot of stock in deployment tactics but I guess he doesn't realize that if the cost of deploying is half your mana nobody would care about having a bigger shield every minute.

>>383682702
The fuck? There is so much shit to min-max with lilies and it's great if you're not just sleeping through fights, the game now encourages you to weave in more cures instead of just dropping a regen on someone and you benefit from shorter cooldowns, the option of throwing a decent shield or getting a proc for a good aoe, where previously there was nearly no use to casting your cures.

>>383682197
Don't fuck with the healers, anon. You get your butthole cleaned that way.

>>383674470
Pull the entire floor and AoE it down. The only way you could do it both faster and safer is with the traditional setup.

>>383682395
They were never great healers, they're there for mitigation and if you need quick burst heals with their stacks.They were basically a support class with all the utility and decent dps they brought to the group (they were the lowest out of the 3 but didn't lose out as much for dropping cleric
because dots), now they're just unfun boring shit that can't do anything other than be a crit debuff bitch

>>383682775
WAR is the tank class that uses the gauge the most naturally because they are essentially using the same mechanics as before only now they can't time out on Wrath. There's nothing clunky about 4.0 WAR

>>383682883
>The only way you could do it both faster and safer is with the traditional setup.
Or with another WHM/AST instead of SCHs

>>383682847
Too bad Deployment Tactics is on such an ass CD that you won't see it used but maybe 2-3 times in a fight.

Can someone tell me what are the known stat weights for

SAM
MNK

I have both and they share a fucking armor that is good in it's own way, but bad also in a sense.

>>383682913
>stance switching costs half your gauge
I'd wager that qualifies. It's the same for PLD.

>>383682913
The gauge does feel kind of slow to charge.

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>>383682604
Maybe I'll give it a crack then.
What annoyed me is that PvP changes a bunch of the names and functions/tooltips of my actions and I don't know if those are entirely new skills, or affect my current keybinds. eg. Kassatsu becomes "Three Mudra". Do I get both or just one? And then I have to learn what Three Mudra is, how it works in combat, and in general it's just a whole bunch of extra wrote-memorisation and practice for something I'm not very interested in to begin with.

>>383682946
I've been stacking Crit and Determination. Seems to be paying off.

>>383682946
dh>crit>det on sam for now
i found i've parsed better on SAM by just having the highest ilvl gear though

>>383682946
>SAM
Direct > det if you can't stack crit > crit > det if you can stack crit > skill speed
>MNK
Crit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direct > det > SS

>>383682983
You can go to wolve's den and test it out.

>>383682702
It doesn't help that they're spent on skills with such low cooldowns.

90% of the time you'll spend the stocked lillies on Assize, which is only on a 60s cooldown anyways.

Benis is on 30s cooldown, Assize and YHVH are on 60s, and Asylum is at the longest at 90s.

And then ther'es the second lilly trait which is fucking garbage

>there's a 20% chance your crit heals (which are already a % chance) your Cure/Cure II will reduce Asylum and Assize's cooldown by 5 s

like what the fuck is this shit? At least Hyper Lightspeed is a guaranteed 5s reduction with a crit heal, but why do you literally need RNG stacked on top of RNG?

>>383682941
You don't need it more than 2-3 times in a fight anyway

>>383682529
As someone that leveled MCH through the story, I think that it is the case. Or maybe that they see a MCH actually trying instead of being in constant overheat. Doesn't help that MCH is such a mess rotation wise that it took people a lot longer to work out a decent rotation for it.

>>383682983
The memorization is hardly an issue, the only problem is it literally doesn't tell you in the first place
you have to go test it on a dummy to see what the fuck the combo does

>>383683038
Succor is still shit and shields last about as long as a fart in a breeze in a raid environment.

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>halicarnassus casts ribbit
>can't see what direction she's facing because of all the explosions

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>>383683015
Crit and Direct Hit is the new hotness

>>383683078
you can see tooltips of individual skills in a combo in the pvp profile menu

>>383682592
Adlo is 300 potency with 100% shield so effectively 600 potency. If it crits the shield doubles to 200% so effectively 900 potency (600 being the shield).

N.Benefic is 200 potency with 250% shield so effectively 700 potency, except that AST gets a 15% healing bonus just for being in Noct sect, so it's more like 800 potency (with 575 being the shield). Crit adlo is better than Crit N.Benefic, but only just barely. But then N.Benefic is cheaper and instant on top of that. The only advantage Adlo has is that it's deployable, which can only be done every 2 minutes. It's so fucking stupid.

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>>383683130
Excuse me while I go readjust my materia.

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>>383682983
>>383683026
It sounds confusing, but it's really fucking simple. For MCH, their combo is just their 1-2-3 and etc. You can check the stuff in the PvP profile.

>>383683127
>disable party effects.

>>383682860
The advantage of deliberately proccing lillies is miniscule. 3 Lillies is equivalent to a crappy version of Spear, a card which AST usually throws away or converts into something else.

>>383683015
>>383683018
>>383683023

So basically almost the same for both.

If you can't stack DH, Crit.
If you can't stack Crit, DH.

Well that's good to know.

>>383683026
>>383683078
I guess.
But again, is Three Mudra for example an entirely new action I have to use in addition to Kassatsu, or does it replace Kassatsu in PvP? Because I really, really, really hate fucking with my keybinds and I'm not going to bother at all if I have to make macros to swap all my skills out every time I want to PvP.

>>383683205
Actually is there any reason they haven't rolled out those combo buttons into the main game? I can't think of a reason not to let players use them.

>>383683265
>Not playing for the minute gains and enjoying the endeavor
Casual.

I am actually really really surprised that they are giving away Tier VI materia for free just like that.

Which kinda scares me that the stats needed are when Star-crafted armors start showing up in the game.

>>383683313
No, you stack both. You prioritize DH on SAM and Crit on MNK.

>>383683130
>43k midare crit
>xeno recently got like a 70kor 90 i dont remember crit on sam at a 70 dungeon

>>383683335
The only way the combos would work in PVE is if you could make your own custom one. Or an If/Then statement for jobs like MCH where you don't really do your full combo.

>>383683335
You get a separate PvP bar that automatically switches. Wolves' Den automatically does this for you too. You don't need many buttons for PvP. Just your PvP skills and mount.

>>383682981
It charges faster than before. Before you needed 6 GCDs + 1 ability (Berserk, Raw Intuition, Vengeance) to get a Fell Cleave. Now you only need 6 GCDs without that extra ability. In fact while leveling I had no problem hitting 4 Fell Cleaves in one Berserk window (it can be done but the window is very tight).
>>383682968
This is inconvenient only when you have to suddenly change stance. Normally, you can plan around the stance changes so there's no loss to the gauge when switching. I wish the punishment for switching wasn't there, but let's not pretend that WAR's stance switching wasn't broken in Heavensward.

>>383683428
>xeno
Nobody cares lol

>>383683424
That's what I just said though. The gear themselves already help you with it.

>>383683265
>reduce the cooldown of ONE (specific list of short cooldowns) skill by 20% with 3 lillies which take a shitload of fishing or wasteful Cure 2ing to get!
>or have AST just throw a fucking spear on you which works for fucking everything

So, what's WHM stat priority crit or spell speed?

>>383683471
but muh community celebs. How am I supposed to know what to think?

>>383682657
At least you can allahu akbar your turret between phases.
Shake it off do not work at all.

>>383683471
it was for the number you fucking moron

>>383683335
Your entire hotbar gets replaced with a pvp-only version. You can literally see this for yourself by teleporting to wolves den your stupid nigger

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>>383683436
>>383683620
Ah so the ONLY skills you have access to in PvP are the ones displayed under the PvP menu?
Fair enough. Sure, that sounds painless enough. Last time I tried PvPing I had my ARR skills, my Heavensward skills, and a bunch of PvP skills layered on top. It took up like 5 hotbars and trying to make a macro to swap them out between PvE and PvE was a fucking nightmare.

>>383683429
I guess.

Thanks guys. Guess my job for tomorrow is to unlock that Lv 63 dungeon and fuck around at the Wolves Den then.

>>383674721
after tank nerf
X2 after additional tank nerfs
X16 after changes made in strumblud

>Stormblood culls useless abilities
>Tempered Will still exists
>180 sec cooldown
>Does absolutely jack shit in most fights
inb4 Leviathan and Sophia knockback. Big fucking woop you get to dodge like 2 in the whole fight.

>>383683575
>lose a turret for 30 seconds for a single 400 potency attack
Literally the ONLY time that this would even remotely work is something like Lakshmi where you could finangle it in, but still may suffer a dps loss.

>>383681517
>They nerfed Ruin III to only 150 potency whilst still making it cost over 1k MP
>Red Mage's lowest potency attack is 240, with most of our abilities being either 270 or 300
>Deathflare is 400 potency every minute
>Red Mage gets Fleche every 25 seconds with 420 potency
>Summoner's Burst is 4,160 every 2 minutes (10 Wyrmwave's weaved in between 6 Ruin 2's, 2 Festers plus 2 Akh Morn's)
>Red Mage's burst is 1,780 potency every 40 seconds (Corps a Corps, melee combo, Displacement, Holy/Flare) which we can do 3 times in the span of your single 2 minute burst phase for a total of 5,340 potency

Summoners got fucked HARD

>>383677403
people said he was steven spielberg of mmos but he turned out to be the george lucas

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>>383683695
Do you rike it?

>>383682913
They're the only tanks that get punished for stance swapping. Sure pld also loses gauge, but so what? They build that shit up so fast and you don't miss out on damage it you don't have any compared to War that needs it. Sure that means it takes more skill to maximize dps but why bother when PLD can shit out the same damage without even trying?

>>383683695
>ignores vacuum wave in V4
>probably ignores the knockback in susano-o EX as well but I haven't tried it

>>383683695
PLD lost fewer and gained more abilities than any other job. They've got more buttons than any other job now and it's fucking annoying because of hyper-situational shit like Tempered Will and having like 4 separate party mitigation cooldowns.

>>383683893
Can't get knockbacked as a tank on susan.

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>>383683695
>Tempered Will has a 180s cd
>melee dps and casters have Arm's Length and Surecast that both are Tempered Will with bonus effects
>Arm's Length has a 60s cd
>Surecast has a 30s cd

>>383683695
Summoners still have Tri-Bind.
Red Mage GAINED a Tri-bind.

Someone really fucking loves Tri-Bind.

>>383683643
Basically it's trimmed down to 10 skills. Everything can fit on a single hotbar.

Combos are consolidated onto a button and things are modified to work specifically for PVP so they can be balanced separately from PVE

for example BLM's PVP skills are as follows:

Fire: 1250 Potency
Blizzard: 750 Potency
Thunder: 500 potency, 300 Dot potency over 15s
Foul: 4500 Potency

The style of play can be outright different in PVP compared to PVE. RDM for example gains their meter by using Verstone/fire instead of starting with Jolt, which is instead a really strong skill that costs a boatload of MP so they won't be using it as often

>>383680973
>lol man this MMO is MAKING me level up

>>383683839
PLD and DRK swaps also cost MP. It's a pretty low cost but it's there compared to WAR's old system which was free stance swaps. 50% of the gauge is pretty punishing but if it was just a flat 20 or something it would be fine, that's just 1 combo.

>>383684049
Who doesn't love tri-bind?

>>383683265
Just give WHMs some crazy strong damage skill they can spend lillies on too. Earthquake maybe?

>>383683781
Hmmm, maybe SMNs low potencies have something to do with having a flying chicken next to them casting spells at all times

>>383680973
>This guy is whining about being level gated
>I got to level 69 when finished the level 65 dungeon the first time
>Switched class and got it to 70 before even getting to Lochs
What the fuck are you even DOING anon?

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>>383684313
You have no idea do you

>>383684256
It would actually be better if they changed the lillies to potency increases.

Like if Assize's potency was increased by 50% with 3 lillies (as if you'd have them still)?

>>383684313
>Garuda
>Relevant
>Ifrit
>Relevant
>Aetherpact 5% on random target who just happens to be close highly likely to target healers
>Relevant
>Bahamut unsummons garuda/ifrit

>>383684325
What the fuck are you doing is a better question?

>>383683874
It doesn't. Works on Lakshmi though.

>>383684313
May not even be that. The scaling seems out of whack. Akh Morn, despite being near 700 potency, has never crit even remotely as high as VerHoly/VerFlare despite that only being 550 potency. Something isn't right with SMN.

>>383684421
>Aoe defence on summons is trash and no longer works coupled with healers not healing them

>>383684421
Pet accounts for about 20% of SMN DPS, so ya it's pretty relevant. It's not like SMN is doing half of what RDM does, the difference is <10%. It's not ideal but it's not "the sky is falling" like most SMN/DRG/MCH mains would have you believe.

>>383684685
SMN, MCH and DRG literally do less damage than BRD, SAM and RDM

>>383684535
>We felt Sustain was superfluous so we removed it :^)