>PvE in MMORPG's will never be competiti...

FFXVI BTFO

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>Invitational
>All teams are made to qualify
nani the fuck

>>383666836
im more surprised that blizzard didnt ask for 20million for each invite

>>383666126
Acitiv-Blizzard is just throwing shit to the wall to see what sticks?

>>383667279
no you just dont get it. this is super competitive and ultra esporty
get with the time grandpa

>>383666126
Dont play wow myself. But what ever that thing is going to be. Is it just something for them to sell tickets and passes for to make a quick buck. Or is it actually something with some effort put into it for the player and fanbase to enjoy?

>mmorpgs are suppsoed to be comfy, time killing, friend sharing, group making experiences that are fun and create memories
>esport normies ruin the genre and turn everything into who can suck each others cock faster for more points
when did it all go so wrong

>>383666126
I'd actually be interested in watching this. Never gave a shit about the PvP tournaments.

>>383667279
blizzard is in panic mode because overwatch didnt stick with the crowd. its loosing teams rapidly and pricepools are ever shrinking.
they are trying to make wow "competetive" now as a fallback for when overwatch inevitably isnt performing as it should. theyre even trying to make heroes of the storm competetive even if the whole point of the game is to be a casual experience.
if you read some news sources youll find out that blizzard is fucking insane and for example wants to charge sponsors more thean they would have payed for the NFL. while proimising that the OWL will be bigger than the NFL.
its fucking nuts

l
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its like watching a wounded fly desperatly trying to fly again.

Is it any dungeon? I'd just challenge them to competitive dire maul and win instantly because why the fuck would you ever want to run dire maul

>>383667672
>blizzard is in panic mode because overwatch didnt stick with the crowd. its loosing teams rapidly and pricepools are ever shrinking.


Like god damn them nerds could make a comfy living making husbando and waifu characters for the game with shit tons of costumes for people to spend stupid amounts of cash to play dress up with their preferred characters.


Like just how desperate or money hungry are they that that pot of gold is not enough for them? The hell must be going on with them over there. Shit fuck it ill just toss it up to incompetence instead since even with all the decline they are still so god damn greedy.

>>383668072
They just want to ruin more games.
Someone else makes subscribe based MMO? Prepare for cherrypicked flaws and outdated info because it makes the game look bad in the eyes of the masses as well as constant "THIS GAME IS DEAD!" doomsaying from Blizzdrones.
Release FPS/TPS with abilities? It's instantly Overwatch clone. Your game will be compared to Overwatch on every single aspect by critics and everyone else. Even if your intention wasn't to release anything even remotely close to Overwatch, people will twist your words and vision so it'll fit the narrative you just made a clone and should hang yourself because it's obviously worse than Overwatch. I expect any newer CoD with 'abilities'/'ultimates' to get shittalked because they obviously took inspiration from Overwatch, nevermind the fact BlOps 3 came before OW.

>>383668072
they just want the esports $$$. they saw how big dota2/lol got and how much money valve/riot earns so they want a slice of that pie aswell not realising its blizzardbalance that fucks with their games.
just take a look at WoW arena balance its a complete shitshow since the first season back in burning crusade.
and now they charge $20million for a spot in their overwatch league which will crush and burn anyways. just look up how many teams already bailed out and disbanded their teams.

I might tune in. I really liked challenge modes but could never convince my guild to try and push times.

I've been enjoying the arena regionals too now that they've got a spectator setup that works.

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So its come to this.

Fuck WOW.

I used to love it, but this is cancer.

I miss the long adventures and end game progression, slowly building up your character, each peice a step on the way to being a god on your server

And now its just all repetitious grinding for fucking achievements that resets faster then a diablo season.

>>383666773
Did you mean XIIII?

>>383669689
honestly im surprised that they didnt implement seasonal servers yet

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>making Mythic+ even more toxic

I wanna see if anyone's as big of a cocksucker to somehow still not see Blizz is assmad that raiding is fucking worthless compared to key storming.

This is as blatant of a sabotage to it as their nerfs to Survival and Demonology back in WoD.

I haven't playn WoW in a long time. But don't bosses have critical chances and other varying effects that could make it you know, pure chance for one team to do better than the other?

>>383670451
Not really.

>>383670451
They've systematically removed all RPG mechanics from WOW for a while now.

Bosses just shit groundfire and debuffs, and will kill you if you can't kill them in 5 minutes, no matter how you build your character.

They've turned WOW into Diablo 3 with legion, and this is the nail in the coffin.

>>383667403
Take a wild guess.

>>383670934
wait until you see whats in store for the upcoming expansion

>>383671441
What's in store for the next expansion?

>>383671441
At this point the removal of gear entirely is the only logical conclusion to watcher's retardation.

>>383671503
i dont know but probably some major bullshit thats currently their developers flavour of the month. like lootboxes that they implemented into hots ported over from overwatch.
what i meant is that whatever retarded bullshit that is currently present in the game blizzard will top it.
maybe they'll add something like challenge rifts from diablo. or they will add boats to the game and add real money lootboxes that contain customizable stuff for them. after all its blizzard.

>>383672023
They're adding in rifts from Diablo in 7.3

so retarded

I'm looking forward to this even though I know the end result is going to be top end Mythic raiders shitting on the leaderboards due to being in higher item level gear

>>383672023
"This update also opens up Invasion Points for testing. Once you’ve unlocked them by completing a short quest chain (which begins on the Vindicaar), you’ll start to see Invasion Points appearing on the Argus map. These are portals to other worlds that the Legion has begun invading, and as part of our efforts to shut down the Legion once and for all, you’ll be able to enter the portal and stop their invasion."

Pretty much rifts.

>>383667672
>make a simplistic FPS that tries to appeal to everyone
>but want to make it an e-spurt
Pick one.

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>>383672105
>>383672303
this cant be real please tell me you are joking

>>383672105
>>383672303
Well they weren't done homogenizing the classes.
Might as well homogenize their games too.

>>383672380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZSUpxFDmUI

>>383672328
Blizzard is unable to keep their hands out of E-Sports after Brood War blew up in Korea. I mean fucking Hearthstone has an E-Sports division and that game has so much RNG bullshit it's impossible to take seriously.

>>383672487
what the hell. at this point im pretty confident that blizzard is developing a real diablo mmo and they are currently just trying out all the different systems they want to implement by adding them into WoW and see how they work out.

All these people up in arms and hating on WoW probably play FFXIV. They always like to make themselves vocal with their hate of WoW, I'm surprised this wasn't a thinly veiled FFXIV thread outside of their general.

>>383672774
The only one mentioning FFXIV here is you

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>>383666126
i fucking love wow threads on /v/ it's always so much vitriol and hate and it's righteous

i will never unsalt from BlizzEArd fucking everything up

>>383672774
I've never touched FFXIV for more then 2 hours on my friends account, I hated every second if it, the game was bland.

I have over 3 years played on my main character, its rather pathetic, but I fucking hate what watcher, jay allen, and their goons have done to this game.

How they could corrupt such a pure concept of a game, open world RPG set in the warcraft unvierse, into some massive meme skinnerbox system designers wet dream is pretty god damn sad.

>>383672774
No, it's the fact Legion is full of endless grind RNG bullshit that only people with stockholm syndrome enjoy.

>>383670231
seasonal servers is how blizz should bring back older expacs into the game
and they could have full resets 3 times a year and have partial resets where you keep your rep/recipes
idk there's a fucking lot they could do but they won't because they just want the BIG payoff not actually work for some money anymore

>>383672774
not a single person mentions ffxiv except you
>haha must be salty ffxiv players who create these threads
get the fuck outta here.
i played wow since its early days and seeing it getting raped is like watching your childhood friend grow up only to see him end up as a chrystal meth addict

>>383672774
>hurr if you don't like WoW you must play this other garbage.
I'd tell you to eat shit but you're obviously a fan of it considering you still enjoy WoW.

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>tfw 5 DH tank meta is dead

>>383666126
E-sports are the most forced and artificial competition I've ever fucking seen.

>>383666126
... ve
WoW player here, no one gives a fuck about this dumb shit. Just Blizzard trying to force every single one of their games into the e-sports scene.

>>383673174
This, Esports as a concept is cancer.

To make a fun competitive game, you start by making a fun, competitive game, if its fun and competitive enough, communities develop to compete, from there you get your competitive scene.

Simply calling something an esport has killed more games.

And look at all the big esports now, they started off as mods made for fun.

>>383672906
Honestly I would take regular grinding over what the fuck Legion is right now. Back in the day you at least had clear cut goals and a finish line. You grinded for so and so days and eventually you would get what you want with enough time put into it.
Nowadays you grind for a CHANCE of getting what you want. Getting exalted with reputations doesn't even give cool shit anymore like in TBC with Netherdrakes and Nether Rays. You just have a tiny chance of getting a mount from a chest you can get every couple of weeks assuming you do all your world quests nonstop.

When will FFXIV get competitive PvE? It only has competitive ERPing right now.

>>383674894
hopefully never.

>>383674894
How to kill your MMO in 3 easy steps

Dungeon Queues
Phasing/Instancing/Sharding/Room based server tech
Esports

>>383674894
What potentially competitive PvE does FFXIV even have? I hope it's not your meme raids.

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>>383675605
competitive slutposting

>>383675605
This. The hardest raid in FFXIV is LFR tier in WoW.

>>383675901
They're both shit.

Give me vanilla any day.

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>>383666126
>turning wow into e-sports
>PVE e-sport no less

wow died years ago but seeing this is hilarious. how the mighty have fallen.

>>383676107
Vanilla is LFR tier, Kungen.

>>383672774
no. i played wow back when it was good. (vanilla, BC)

>Blizzard activision will never NOT be desperate to create a dota caliber esport

>>383676503
?

Did StarCraft die

Is there a bigger joke phrase in existence than 'competitive pve'?

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>who can cheese the hardest and win money while doing so
This will surely not affect class balance in any way.

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>>383666126
>do mythic plus every week with bros
>one friend cares a lot more about it than the others
>we're all playing for shits and giggles
>he starts yelling every run when we misplay
>we gradually play less and less because he's so butthurt all the time
>decide to pick up Heroes of the Storm instead
>same thing happens
We just want to play the game my man, why do you have to try so hard?

>>383667672
Blizzard has unbelievable levels of Fuck You money stored away, I'm rather sure they do not have a panic mode

>>383676503
LFR and Mythic don't have threat, CC, kiting, mana management.

They're both two sides of the same shitty, unfun, boring, boss blitz grind, the difference is mythic can instantly kill you with stupid shit.

>>383676641
they really must be mad as hell that they didnt accept the offer from IceFrog to create a stand alone dota game with how hard they try recently to make atleast one big esport competitor

>>383678102
No, they just want the esports money.

Every event that uses their game has to pay blizzard big time royalties, its not public domain like real sports

Blizzard is going to jew themselves out of the industry sooner or later, they still have the blizzard logo, but people have been learning, SC2, Diablo 3, Overwatch, Modern WOW expansions, ect.

I don't even get where this hubris is coming from, none of the original developers even work at blizzard anymore, their senior game designers are from WOW era.

>>383667672
Thing is Blizzard has lived by the sword and now it will die by the sword. All their major successes were games of established genres that were made more accessible and cinematic. After establishing themselves as a major player and gaining an army of seemingly endless blizzdrones, they decided to have another round of increased accessibility and cinematics.
It did bring them a bigger audience, but it came at the cost of depth that made the previous games succesful in the long run.

Or maybe it's just your traditional vidya executive meddling, where a suit is breathing down your neck and whispering "make it dumber NOW or your career gets it".

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>>383667492

Sons of bitches

>>383667672
But that's wrong.

>>383667492
LoL, CSGO, Dota 2

>>383677850
No, mythic has everything-else management. Unlike Vanilla there's no, as you put it, ~unfun, boring~ downtimes. No need to wait for sunders, no need as a damage dealer to bother caring about mana unless it's part of the spec mechanics (like Arcane Mage).
You don't fight against your class, you fight against each boss mechanics and need all 20 players to coordinate and communicate efficiently. No more of that Vanilla 10 players carrying and 30 players being carried.
Plus all mythic bosses are infinitely more fun and complex than pretty much anything Vanilla.

>>383678940
Those games (Except league) are fine on their own.

Their competitive scenes spawned from the fact they were fun, and competitive.

Forcing Esports never ever goes well.

>>383679013
No, your class simply has no interactivity in modern WOW beyond "does damage, holds threat, heals"

Even casual leveling in vanilla required pulling and CC.

This allowed you to interact more with the enviroments directly, modern WOW, not so much, you simply burst a healthbar to zero as fast as possible, in the world, thats instantaneously, in a raid, it takes about 5 minutes, and only at the mythic level does a boss have a chance of killing you.

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>>383679013
>this is the state of wow players

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how can one man be so based?

>>383679013
What's an example of a fun and complex mythic boss fight from Legion for reference?

>>383679347
IN the new TOS raid there is this one fight where the ground changes color and you take arcane damage or shadow damage based on which color you stand on, and sometimes the boss will throw AOE at you, then in phase 2 you have to out DPS the bubble or else it wipes the raid.

If you die, its pretty much because your healers suck at spamming AOE heals effectively.

>>383676107
>buffing your whole raid as a paladin with 5minute buffs
>having one healer in the back who does nothing but ressing people during bossfights
>feign death during combat as a hunter just to regenerate mana
>druids beeing nothing more than innervate bots
vanilla was ok but you nostalgia faggots really need to pull that dildo out of your asses

>>383679143

Excuse me, I play a Ret. My character does none of those three things...

Fuck, really wished I had geared an alt.

>>383675901
>This. The hardest raid in FFXIV is LFR tier in WoW.
Objectively wrong.

>>383679143
If trivial activities such as CCing, waiting for aggro, and grinding herbs is what floats your boat then good for you. I prefer to learn to maximize my spec's performance, in damage, survivability, and execution of boss mechanics down to GCD level.

>>383679347
Il'gynoth was something new, Elisande was fun, Gul'dan was good as well except for Illidan being a bit too easy mechanically, Desolate Host is good but undertuned, Sassz'ine is really cool especially if you're a melee carrying fishes in phase 3, Maiden is what Mythic Thaddius would look like, and Fallen Avatar is absolute insanity in both execution and DPS and healing checks.

>>383679569
>Fixed within 4, was not a thing by 1.12, paladins were the most efficient raid healers in the game with near infinite mana past tier 2 and beyond
>Didn't happen, litterally a meme spread by retards who never progressed past MC, no fights in AQ40+ would allow this to happen
>feign for mana was pretty standard for as long as hunters had mana, not an argument, now if you said 90% of hunter DPS was autoshoot, you'd have an argument.
>Druids were also good raid healers, if you seriously think you needed innervate past tier 2, you've done fucked up

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>>383679764
>If trivial activities such as CCing, waiting for aggro, and grinding herbs is what floats your boat then good for you. I prefer to learn to maximize my spec's performance, in damage, survivability, and execution of boss mechanics down to GCD level.
jesus fucking christ

>>383679764
>Fallen Avatar

No, fuck that fight. Can't do any fucking damage on it due to all the soaking and running away. Really fucking hate playing Ret right now

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>>383679916

Yeah, what a tryhard. Amiright guys?

>>383680021
The difference is one is interactive, dynamic, shit can change, the other is pretty much memorizing a keyboard DDR song and repeating it ad nauseum.

>>383680118
Exactly, in current WoW you have to adapt to class procs, trinket procs, and plan ahead for add and priority target pahses, whereas in Vanilla you press Frostbolt and wand away when you're oom.

>>383680118

Thanks for confirming you know shit about current endgame

>>383678897
nah he's right, overwatch tournaments pull almost no viewers on any streaming platforms

>>383680445

It's almost like fps are shit to watch.

>>383680512
you can't be anymore wrong

csgo blows the fuck up on twitch with over 100k viewers on the regular for tournaments

>>383680226
>>383680236
And you're saying having CC and aggro management on top of that would be detrimental to the game?

>>383680596

Really? Fucking hell, e sports was a mistake.

I could kinda see the appeal in lol/dota, given you can see the whole field and the ebb and flow of the match was very much like football. But cs? Fucking hell

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>2017
>WoW still lets you make transmogs sexier than what you can do in any other MMO

They really need to just make a new MMO with the rule34 potential of Overwatch, it would sell billions.

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>>383680021
Well you sure made yourself sound like a simfag fedoratipper. Hey I too like maximizing my performance in every way I can and that's been in the game ever since it was first launched. The main difference is that now what you morons call fun is reactive game of "Simon says" with an AI where it used to be all about coming up with a gameplan depending on your own analysis of the group, the boss and your own gear/buffs and trying to execute it as well as you could. And then adjusting the plan if it wasn't great. Of course that's not to say that still isn't part of the game, but it's taken a backseat in favor of this genZ-favored buttonmashing. Do you think any rotations in the game are interesting? If yes, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Either way, you should try Arcane Mage. It still plays like the game of old. Simplistic to execute, but your end result is dictated by your ability to craft a gameplan. I bet you'll hate it and need your visceral and engaging 50 apm fix from demon hunters soon.

>>383680785

There is place for cc in high level mythics. aggro management though, that just stifles player interaction.

>>383680806
csgo's spectating/knowledge barrier to entry is different to mobas but is easier to get over imo. it's all about following map positioning which is taken care of by good camera spectating while in mobas you have to know what a hero does and how item builds work and how all 10 evolve and interact over a 20-60+ minute game. in csgo you can see the money and weapons each team has and know the advantage really quickly, while you still have to analyze the comp and items along with the gold/level leads in a moba.

>>383670362
raiding still gives tier, better trinkets, and starts off at a base higher item level so it will always attract some amount of players. the m+ only crowd is also still nowhere near the size of the raider playerbase either.

>>383681546
Except, unless you're raiding at the mythic level, all that gear is going to be replaced by welfare gear next patch.

>>383681546
>raiding still gives tier, better trinkets, and starts off at a base higher item level so it will always attract some amount of players

I'll give you tier but M+ trinkets shit all over most ToS and Nighthold trinkets, and only Mythic ToS gives higher ilvl.

>>383681284
Could add something to increase threat that acts as a stat which would lower their output. Tanks' damage is too high at the moment and they seem to fulfill the role of a tank and a decently geared DPS.

>>383680785
Well, about CC, we had hard CC in Mythic Gul'dan's Illidan phase and the general consensus was that it was a bit lame that you could just CC mobs and be careful with AoE instead of having to deal with them.
There are many instances of lighter CC and kiting in the game. Stunning and interrupting in general are required in multiple bosses.
As for kiting, there's kiting in, for example, (new) Kil'jaeden where a player with high mobility has to kite a fire orb for as long as possible.

Aggro is usually a non-issue anymore though, except in Mythic+ where there's a random weekly affix that makes tanks drop aggro periodically, and some bosses where you need the tank to pick up aggro very quick. I wouldn't mind having more mechanics that deal with aggro, but having them as a main mechanic doesn't sound appealing.

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Is the MMO genre beyond saving? Will it just get worse or is there still hope?

>>383682303
Yoshida just adding 2 dps classes without giving a single fuck gave me a hope

>>383681836
same goes for m+ gear, so what's your point? don't raid or do m+ at all?

>>383681852
>M+ trinkets shit all over most ToS and Nighthold trinkets
hunters were still running m ursoc for bti well into nighthold
convergence at 905 will be permanent for the whole tier and maybe even argus progression for some classes
not to mention moonglaives, cinders, shark, owl, sea star and grand design
>only Mythic ToS gives higher ilvl
heroic is base 915 with kj giving 925

>>383667492

The day you thrived in your father's stomach.

I'm not familiar with new wow raids but let me guess they all have some bullshit RNG that will decide the winner

>>383682714
winner of what? if you win and kill the boss? or winner of the world first race?