Why does Melee fans and Smash 4 fans hate each other so much?

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>>383633604
everyone hates meleefags

Melee fans hate everybody and everybody hates Melee fans so there's the answer.

>>383633604
I'm looking forward to the shitshow that Meleefags will start in a few days. Smart of Wizard to put Smash 4 on Sunday so Meleefags didn't shit it up with their autism and BO.

>>383633604
I really like both and I catch tournaments of both games whenever possible. The entire series is really fun. Sometimes I even play brawl minus. People who hate on games within the series are just diry lil memers

>>383633604
They don't. It's just something some people on /v/ are trying to push to get more shit flinging going on.

Well they're all autistic.

Because meleefags are insane and they turned a simple kiddy fighting game into a "super techinical high quality fighting game" but only if you make use of ALL OF THE GLITCHES and bizarre tricks the engine lets you get away with.
Smash 4 takes all this away and naturally, they claim it's not a real fighting game.

It's /v/.
The people who actually play don't care.

>>383633604
Meleefriends have a huge superiority complex and Smash4friends are just retaliating.

I don't hate it but I don't like Smash 4 nor understand why people like it either, competitively, I mean. It's just so much slower and less fun than Melee.

>>383634389
>Smash 4 takes all this away and naturally, they claim it's not a real fighting game.
What, is smash bros 4 like paper mario color splash?

>>383634545
smash 4 fights don't consist entirely of glitches and exploits

>>383634614
neither does melee
next you'll tell me combos in street fighter should be considered an exploit because they were used differently than the makers intended

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Because you know who are trying to divide and conquer the community

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>>383633948
The whole concept of "letting go" is so fucking stupid.
>Just stop playing a game you like

>>383634473
I like smash 4 because the spread between tiers is much more narrow than any other smash game
t. bowser main

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Because Tr4sh is a shit game and Sakurai is a hack.

it's actually very 1 sided.
Smash 4 fags admire Melee
Meleefags hate Smash 4 almost as much as they love Mang0's cock down their throats

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>>383634993
It's an obsolete version of the game.
You can enjoy it if you want but that's not the canon version of the game anymore and in ANY OTHER FIGHTING GAME nobody would pander to retards who want to stick to a 15 year old entry in the series, let alone make an entire category for them at fighting game tournaments.

>>383633604
Why do Classicfags, Adventurefags, and Boostfags in Sonic hate each other?

Why do Horror RE Fans and Action RE fanshate each other? Etc, etc.

>>383633604
Dunno.

Coming from a person whose played both and from watching friends who prefer both it usually results from Melee Fag doesnt play Sm4sh well so Sm4shfag kicks Meleefags ass, and vice versa.

>>383633604
they don't its just shit posting

if someone does, its because their an autist that concerns themselves on how other people enjoy their own videogames

>>383635183
>super turbo
>3rd strike

>>383635183
so then there shouldn't be any more UMvC3 Evo or tourney events after Infinite releases, right?

>>383635183
>obsolete
How? If people play it today, if there's interest in making tournaments and people show up then the game is not obsolete.

Just because new entries come out it doesn't mean players should move out, especially if the new game is shit. People complain about Melee because it's old but the FGC cries all the time that SFV and Marvel are shit but never switch to older versions/other fighting games. The main difference it's that Meleefags stick up the game they like while the FGC sticks up the games they DON'T like. It's retarded.

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>>383635023
>mains a top tier
>isn't complaining about tiers anymore

WHO WOULDVE THOUGHT

Smash 4 is honestly the most shallow fighting game (yes fighting you fucking autists call it platform fighting or whatever you like) I've ever played. All you need is a character with a good grab that leads into a follow up and you win. The game devolves around that and run up shielding hoping your opponent tries to hit you. Once you both tried stray back and forth 2 combo hits and you get into higher percents it becomes a game of even more shielding/rolling until somone lands a kill confirm move.

>>383635183
says (you)

ill admit, its admireable that you can ignore thousand man tournements and 100k viewers

>>383635514
>tried
I meant trade but you get the idea

>>383635514
Bowser's high tier that has that bullshit grab to kill at 70% thing, but he's not top tier.

>>383635257
Or Final Fantasy, where literally everyone hates every body else

>>383633604
Because Smash 4 is shit

>>383633604
The games have a lot of children/manchildren in the communities for both games(Why do you think the top Smash 4 TO is actually reminding people they need to shower on Twitter right now as EVO is coming up?). Also Melee in particular has a bunch of Twitch stream monsters in their community who don't actually play the game and just watch it/shitpost.

The hate is all you see because the games are so different and don't really have a lot of overlap.

>>383635183
that's retarded
the fgc would be better if people played 3rd strike/USFIV and MVC2/UMVC3 over SFV and MvCI

The newest version isn't always the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSNLKQvImIk
How will meleefags ever recover?

>>383635890
>some butthurt e-celeb faggot is wrong about Melee somewhere in the internet

More news at 11

>>383635514
The gameplay style you describe is lame but isn't necessarily reflective of high level play. There are plenty of aggressive players who win tournaments (Nairo, Fatality etc). It's up to you to decide how to play the game. btw bowser isn't top tier in 4

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>>383635465
>>383635487
>>383635582
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>>383635961
t. assblasted manchild

>>383636063
See you at EVO ;)

>>383634860
>>neither does melee
>multi-shines, wobbling, and wave dashing aren't exploits
I don't even really hate melee but you're in denial if you think that high level melee techs aren't blatant bug exploits

>>383635984
I dont play the game competitively just for fun when friends/family come over. I have a friend who does and he made me watch the tourney with him last week(ARMS saga I believe) and this one rosalina player there was insufferably boring/lame to watch

And I meant high tier. He went from being a mid/low tier character to a high tier because they made his grab good

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>>383633604
Because Meleefags bully the fuck out of tr4shfags for their shitty game, but Meleefags are the unwanted child of Nintendo while Sm4sh gets all daddy Nintendo's love that the Meleefags want so desperately.

>>383636237
Dabuz is about a billion times better then watching an h-box match

don't even try to deny

>>383634545
Basically.

>>383636170
Literally none of those are bugs though.

>>383635183
This argument stopped being relevant ever since SFV came out and people cried about wanting USFIV to come back

>>383633604

I don't know, but as someone who prefers Brawl over both of them, it gives me no end of things to laugh at.

>>383636170
Whether or not one considers those techs "exploits" I think you are exaggerating their importance
>>383636237
>this one rosalina player there was insufferably boring/lame to watch
yeah no one likes dabuz. He's the hbox of sm4sh

>>383636337
Not really, Nintendo never adds money to the Smash 4 prize pots and has never sponsored any players.

The best they do is play commercials of the Switch at Smash 4 events but even that happens at Melee tournaments. I don't know where did this "Nintendo supports competitive Smash 4" meme came from.

>>383633604
Fun fact : each fanbase doesn't hate the other, it's just that they like to taunt each other

Aside from that, competitive Melee and competitive Smash 4 are 2 visions so different of the game that when you're in one you just can't have fun with the other

>>383635514
>bowser
>top tier
high mid at best

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>>383635183
I guess I should only play Fallout 4 and Skyrim then by your logic. Fuck New Vegas and Morrowind amiright? They're just inferior, obsolete versions.

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>>383633604
The reason these communities hate each other so much is because there is a rift in the community on what what is perceived as the "true" version of the game. One camp hold melee as the ideal form of smash. It's full of crazy techs and requires high skill to constantly execute the tech in there.
The other group believes Smash 4 is the continuation of the series as the creator intended it to be. All those things one group of the community thought to be great in melee are not present in Brawl or Smash 4. The series went in a different direction than the fans of melee wanted.
Now you have autists on both camps constantly shouting at each other fighting over which game is better.

>>383636363
>3636363

>sm4sh is too slow
then please explain the following
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViHz-hT3vDY

It's kinda funny I went to my first local last Thursday and the Sm4sh players all look like your stereotypical fat manchild crowd and the Melee players look kinda like just regular dudes (although most pretty short), but when you talk to people there's way way more friendly and fun people in the Sm4sh crowd and the Melee crowd was just anti-social and hyper-competitive to the point of being unable to hold a conversation with anyone outside of the one or two friends they came with.

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>>383636783
This doesn't apply here, they're fighting games that don't have a huge focus on narrative or progression.
They're games that sell entirely on their gameplay mechanics and character roster.
In almost all instances, the newest iteration obsoletes all previous entries in the same series.

>>383636896
>In almost all instances, the newest iteration obsoletes all previous entries in the same series
Good that we agree on this, because Smash is certainly not of those cases.

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>>383636859
>things that never happened: the post

>>383636689
Are you just new to competitive Smash?

Nintendo didn't start sponsoring Smash events until Sm4sh, before that they literally tried to shut down Melee at EVO. They sponsor Sm4sh tournaments and they pay Sm4sh into EVO and they've even held their own Sm4sh events and tournaments.

Melee is grassroots and Sm4sh is the Brawl community hopped onto the newest game supported by Nintendo.

>>383636896
>in almost all instances
have you considered that maybe melee is objectively the tightest, most mechanically sound game in the series?

>>383637006
No need to get defensive.

>>383637086
>the tightest, most mechanically sound game
>OMG I CANT PLAY WITHOUT MUH GLITCHES AAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>383636845
>nearly 40 min
>not even a bracket reset

>>383637046
>they pay Sm4sh into EVO
[citation needed]
>and they've even held their own Sm4sh events and tournaments
Wrong? Aside from the invitational there's been no Nintendo events.

>>383636845
What's to explain?

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>>383637135
Look at the smash 4 top 50 vs the melee top 50

There are like 3 to 4 fat asses on the smash 4 side while melee is nearly half fat fucks

Don't try to feed me horseshit and I won't get mad

>>383637197
>[citation needed]
Look down in the corner at the logos on stream this weekend.

>Wrong? Aside from the invitational there's been no Nintendo events.
Except there has been a number of them including some at E3 with Scar and Toph and Bill Trinen, Nintendo World Championships, the 3DS tournament, etc.

You've used up your (You)s from me if you literally don't even know what's going on.

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>>383637326
>my local tournament contains anyone from MIOM top 100

You must be powerfully retarded.

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>>383637504
>he thinks he has a local if someone from the top 100 doesn't show up to pick up the winnings

What you have is a house party where you play smash, that isn't a local that exists anywhere

>>383636237
Hating dabuz is basically a meme at this point.

>>383637403
Nintendo always sponsor majors. Did they bought Smash 4 into Genesis when they sponsored the event? Don't be retarded. Smash 4 has enough entrants to make it into Sunday even at EVO on it's own.
>the invitational (which was years ago and to promote the game, tourney was items on)
>Nintendo World Championships is NOT a Smash tournament
So that leaves us with this 3DS tournament that I can't even remember, and even if it happened it was on 3DS, so who the fuck cares. That makes up for 0.5 tournaments held by Nintendo, impressive support.

>>383637403
Yeah Nintendo's only interested in sponsoring things that they're going to make money off of directly. Meleefags need to accept that Nintendo money is going to pay the entry fee for Sm4sh that they had to work for instead.

They can whine about it on twitter like leffen, or suck it up and deal. Some people get their parents' money and some don't.

>>383637234
I'm just trolling, my point is that camping exists across smash games, and in my opinion it's camping that makes smash so different from any other fighting game

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>>383633604

Because melee is old as hell and the players desperately want a mechanical sequel that won't get C&D while smash 4 is newer but boring as hell both mechanically and spectating and is basically brawl 2.0 or brawl without most of the extreme flaws.

>>383633604
Because one of them is full of smelly autistic players who shit the pool. It's tr4sh

>>383638137
That's literally what I was saying. Just because Nintendo hands over a big bag of cash to put Sm4sh on Sunday doesn't mean you need to have an aneurysm, it's business. EVO is a business and Nintendo is a business. Besides from a purely community perspective Melee is going to btfo Sm4sh in viewers despite being bought a Sunday spot anyway so Meleefags can still bully Sm4shers about their life support game.

>>383637647
Not that other guy, but you've never actually been to a tournament, have you?

>>383638148
>my point is that camping exists across smash games

I don't know that that's ever been in dispute.

>>383637647
But Gamezilla isn't my house yet.

>>383638590
>Just because Nintendo hands over a big bag of cash to put Sm4sh on Sunday
That didn't happen.

>>383638590
If Sm4sh is before SFV, it'll definitely have more viewers.

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Because smash 4 is like melee on horse tranquilizers. I really don't understand when people get hype for it, it's slower than the hairs grow on a mooses scrotum.

>>383638590
Mr. Wizard is such a fucking crafty Jew.

Not only does get get:

1. A big bag of Nintendo money to slot tr4sh into Sunday.

But now because he put Melee on Saturday he also gets:

2. A giant viewership spike on Saturday that he can show to advertisers and say, "This is how many people will see your add here" and so he can sell Saturday ad slots for higher adbucks because he can show advertisers a higher peak.

I wonder what the dude's general income is that he takes off the top of running EVO every year. Between having Capcom and Nintendo shoveling him cash now and advertisers squabbling to buy up space on his streams dude's gotta be high rolling in Vegas every year while he's there.

>>383638837
People are delusional if they think Sm4sh won't get more views. It has one of the best timeslots and is taking place on the main day.

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>>383635487
The meta is stagnant, as discoveries being made about it are just bugs or version differences. Ever look at tournament matches on YouTube? Go find a playlist and look at how 90% of the thumbnails have a Fox in them.

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>>383639168
Eh, could be worse, honestly, the combo system in Melee keeps characters creative regardless of variety and the game is so free when it comes to movement and approaching that even if you see Fox all the time Fox players play very different from each other.

And even then it's not nearly as bad as it may seem, most top 8s have about 7-9 characters and top 32s have around 12+. Not particularly amazing but I prefer it over Smash 4, where the gameplay is boring because characters are very streamlined despite of how many of them are viable.

>>383639168

Ever watch/play the actual games? Stack up the best smash 4 sets vs the best melee sets and you'll understand why a lot of people still prefer melee

>>383633604
Bully and bullee. Everyone picks on Sm4sh players and so in turn they have a chip on their shoulder about being made fun off all the time.

>>383639494
Yeah I can feel those grievances with Sm4sh. I do wish it was a faster game.

>>383639689
>Stack up the best smash 4 sets vs the best melee sets and you'll understand why a lot of people still prefer melee
Because it's the same game they've been playing for over a decade and a half?

>>383639063
lol someone screencap this post

Reminder meleefags hate footsies and smart plays, making their opinions literally irrelevant.

>>383639975
???

>>383639168
The meta is always evolving. New stars are rising up and contesting the Gods. There is a different winner every major.

>>383639887
I don't understand this argument. Melee is bigger than ever, meaning that there's more new players right now than ever before. It's not like Melee started with this fanbase, it built it and since 2013 it really hasn't stopped getting new people.

As for why new people come in it's because you really don't get to see shit like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIsTgPo71Kc&t in ANY fighting game.

Smash 4 fans want to enjoy Smash 4 and have a good time and Melee is sitting there autistically REEEEEEEEEEing in the corner doing stuff like killing Project M's competitive scene so that they could be a real esport with Reggie and then getting upset when Nintendo (obviously) only cared about Sm4sh

>>383640086
Have you ever seen what people think of hbox?

>>383639972
In what world is Sm4sh with GG and SFV crossover on Sunday not going to out perform melee?

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>>383633604
Smash 4 was made for casuals. Same people who complain Crash is too hard. This gen is terrible because of them.

>>383640152
You really don't. I wouldn't be surprised if Melee become the main game at EVO in the future because """traiditional""" fighting games will never be that hype. Especially with the increasing Capcom hate with SFV and MvCI.

Melee is basically a competitive community where a bunch of friends on each coast got really good at it and then a Swedish guy came and joined the friend circle and now everyone else is trying really hard to get into that circle of friends. All the top players are like this family of Smash Bros that Meleefags follow and watch. They're like the cool kids in school and everyone wants to join their crew but you have to be as good as someone who's been a prodigy at the game for like ten years to do so. It's such a fucking weird thing to look at from the outside where you see people calling S2J "Johnny" where they don't know him and they all say "JOOOOOOEEEE!!!" now and shit.

Sm4sh is completely disconnected and formed from the Brawl scene and is far, far, far more accessible where you don't have to have spent countless hours playing for years to understand the competitive nooks and crannies and quirks of the game system because it's an incredibly simplified system with a lower barrier to entry and ceiling.

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>>383640252

The vast majority of fans in every fighting game shit on people who play a slow paced control style of game whether it's HBox, ChrisG, SonicFox, etc. People want to see hype risk taking over "super smart" or "safe" playing. This isn't hard to understand

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>>383636859
Pretty much my experience.
Sm4sh players are a bunch of goofy lovable manchildren, but they ARE still manchildren, they can be smelly, the conversations can get weird, but they're a friendly lot.
Average meleefag looks a bit like a normalfag but the dissipates fast once you interact with them because they're just a very angry bunch. You can see the rage in most of them sitting just below the surface, it pops out for the most minor shit, and it's honestly very disconcerting.

because they are all autistic and only play their game and refuse to play anything else because its all they enjoy. This is coming from a sm4sh fag so i know from experience, except I also play other fighting games.

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>>383635183
But Halo is better than Halo 4.

>>383640396
There's a 4 hour gap between S4 and SFV, the waiting room thing isn't happening.

>>383640667
FIGHTING GAME

What about Brawl? Brawl was good too

>>383640489
Holy fuck m8 not him but the amount of truth in your post is uncanny
>tfw meleefag surrounded by smelly but friendly sm4sh players at local tourney

>>383637147
Like half the fundamentals of defense and combos in most games came from glitches.

>>383640489
Yeah I actually had two instances where I was playing with this Melee player who was just way better than me, and both of them started getting like insulted and overtly disparaging that I was playing with them when I was so much worse. They started loudly saying, "Can someone else come play me? I need to practice." while never making eye contact and pretty much only grunting or giving one word replies if I was talking to them between games. Many Melee players don't make eye contact and seem to just speak in complete monotone. I mean that being said the type of dude who's just an outright dick is rare and my actual Melee friends are cool dudes.

>>383640685
But Street Fighter 2 turbo is better that Street Fighter 5.

>>383640709

No, it wasn't and now that smash 4 is out not even brawlfags pretend it was which is hilariously ironic because they are starting to treat it the same way meleefags do/did

Am I a Meleefag if I don't care about the comp scene but think its the best feeling game?

>>383640109
Insights into mindgames of people who have been playing for years isn't much of a meta. Look at how well Borp can read his opponents. without ever using advanced techniques. I can see how that's entertaining.

>>383637147
That is not an argument thou. Who cares HOW the game came to be, it matters what it is now

>>383640483
People usually hate chrisG because he's a cunt, Sonicfox because he's a furry and wins on irrelevant games.
The people hating them because of patient play are youtube comment section tier and should be ignored, they oftenly don't play the game competitively. This kind of people is way more present on the smash community, where they can't be ignored due to their numbers and community presence.

>>383641016
Yes if you think Melee has the best gameplay you're an autistic manchild liar who can't move on to Sakurai's latest masterpiece.

>>383641016
No, meleefags have a little more toxicity to them.

>>383640820
And I didn't phrase that right, I mean two different dudes did that exact same thing completely separate from eachother in completely different scenes.

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>>383641016
Nope! Melee's got great mechanics and it's totally possible to like particular things about it you can't get them elsewhere is the Smash series.

The melee competitive players are just massive cunts about their preferences 9/10 times.

i've played melee and smash 4 since their inceptions and, outside of brawl's release, never encountered anyone actively shitting on the other game. it only happens on /v/ and nobody here plays smash. if they do, they're probably bad and don't matter.

that being said, melee players are generally more tolerable. smash 4 has more cringey nintendo fanboys since more characters are viable. i still find 4 players more fun to play with.

tl;dr they don't. melee players just love their game.

>>383640669
Fair enough, I should've checked the schedule. I also did not know GG was on Saturday. The gap will definitely matter then.

>>383637147
Anybody who thinks the core depth of Melee consists of glitches is retarded. Wavedashing or L-Cancelling are not glitches by the way and if you think so you are clueless.

>>383633604
>muh competitiveness

Melee fans are the worst

>>383641104
Or maybe I'm just stuck in nostalgia and I'm not really interested by Sm4sh which is paraded by underageb& shitters

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>>383641104
>Sakurai's latest masterpiece.

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>>383641236
>smash 4 has more cringey nintendo fanboys since more characters are viable.
What did he mean by this? But like memes aside too.

>>383633604
As a Smash 4 fan, I find the obsessive nature of Melee fans towards their game to be unpleasant.

>>383641310
>muh getting good
>muh skill
>muh not being a casual

I know right

>>383640489
>>383636859
>>383640726
>>383640820

This is all accurate. There's a small group at my playshop with this one condescending asshole that likes to hustle the curious MTGfags. My only anecdotes with meleefags are awful.

>>383641373
You can get good at other games without blowing up your wrists, you know? Especially actual fighting games that are good and can't cuck you out of DESU top 8 because of a dumb glitch.

>>383641637
Hey, Melee ain't perfect, if the community could make the mods that fix Melee tournament legal they would use them, but it can't.

>>383641284
Just like how nintendo expected you to break your controllers to get dashbacks, right?

>>383641762
Probably not, but it's also a 16-year-old game. It would be hard to get anyone to agree on changes or for people to actually want to play it professionally.

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>>383641409
Melee's an interesting case where a group of cool people at the top level like the Norwalkers, NorCal guys like Scar and Toph and Shroomed, PPMD, Leffen, basically all the top players who go to things like Smash Summit have drawn in a bunch of total assholes who want to be like them and be their friends and be good at the same game, but they could not be more different.

The top players are all cool and nice and chill and then there's this following of uptight, personality-devoid, overcompetitive shitters all trying to break into the top level too. I can't think of a community with a bigger divide between the top players and the average players, especially since Melee has the biggest and most entertaining personalities and characters in esports because it's such a weird grassroots scene.

>>383636567
Same thing happened when S4 released anon. Only difference is that there was a way bigger gap in time between the two

>hbox wins melee
>dabuz or zero wins smash 4
>bo3
Why do you guys even care about EVO?

>>383642381
Because melee will still be more hype than any other trash at EVO.

>>383641784
Why the fuck do memers like you think dashbacks are some huge problem now? Yeah it kind of sucks that it's even a thing but it doesn't make good players lose to someone who is worse.

As opposed to actual joke mechanics like rage in Smash 4.

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>>383634449

They both have a huge superiorty complex.

Zero publicly complained about how McRib ran EVO and the Melee players bitch about not having their own VIP section.

>>383634473

>Playing a party game competitively

Meleefags are retarded, at least sm4shfags accept that they just play for fun

>>383639445
>same four people every time

wew pretty nice for a party game. How many people still the ninja turtles smash clone?

>>383642696
Fuck Zero for pushing the coaching meme into sm4sh.

>>383642938
I see 5 characters in that.

>>383642696
Zero was complaining on Twitter earlier that Smash 4's prize pool is only 10k.

>>383635183
why would anyone eat those

>>383642696
Smash 4 was ran pretty badly last year though. It got side event treatment despite being the second biggest game there.
The room was way too small for 2000+ people and the main stage was small with no projector so virtually nobody could actually watch.

>>383643315
Curiosity

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>>383642696
>get your game paid into EVO
>still complain instead of being greatful for getting to play on the EVO stage on Nintendo's dollar

What a bunch of spoiled children holy shit

>>383642696
Why do people always make up completely untrue shit? Absolutely no Melee player ever complained that Evo doesn't have a "own VIP section" or something. Where the fuck does this even come from?

>>383643840
>Absolutely no Melee player ever complained that Evo doesn't have a "own VIP section" or something.
It wasn't EVO but didn't Armada once complain about not having VIP space before? He's kind of a diva sometimes.

>>383643997
Leffen has whined about not having open set-ups for friendlies/warm-ups before. Armada too probably because they're both Swedecuck bitches.

>>383637504
>he doesn't live in a city with a top player
look at him and laugh

>>383640489
I find IRL meleefags act exactly like meleefags in threads like this.
They like to make snarky comments with a hoity toity attitude when everyone else is just trying to chill and have a good time.

>>383644271
And I find that IRL Smash4fags act the same way.

>>383643997
>>383644094
>>383643997
>>383644094
Epic twisted narrative. Top players wanting to warm up for tournament sets when they're still in tournament = Melee players complaining that Evo didn't have VIP sections.

At least complain about stuff that actually happened instead of making up stupid shit.

>>383641950
It's pretty funny how starstruck the melee playerbase gets.
I remember the pre-GOML weekly last year where Leffen came and they ran him off because they were fanboying so hard.

>>383644428
>stuff that actually happened
Like Armada and leffen both complaining on twitter in the past that there were no handwarmer stations at some events?

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>>383643840

I replied about melee players having a superiority complex. Doesn't mean it happened at EVO.

A few top players did say they needed an area away from the fans because of how demanding they can be.

This was blown up to where even other fgcs like Kbrad had to comment:

https://twitter.com/kbradjstorm/status/770413676801040384

>>383644531
Where're you at? I might be headed up to GOML this year although I really don't wanna pay for a hotel downtown Toronto desu

>>383644674
I live downtown but I'll likely be staying at my dad's place since he lives right by the airport.

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>>383641907
>>383634993
I'm FGCfag that doesn't like smash and their retarded community but if there's one thing the smashfags do right it's sticking to their old game, competitively, and I applaud them for that.

Imagine if the FGC stuck to ST, 3s, cvs2, and mvc2 instead of the absolute shit out there today. Even sf4 was a terrible game.

This whole "MOVE ON AND PLAY THE NEWEST GAME" thing is absolutely retarded. What would you rather play? SFV or third strike? MvC: infinite or MvC2?

Pointless argument.

>>383644587
Or that they simply can't continue because the don't have a gamecube controller broken in the right way.

>>383644428
>Top players wanting to warm up for tournament sets when they're still in tournament = Melee players complaining that Evo didn't have VIP sections.
what's the difference, really?

>>383644674
GOML's not downtown this year, it's near the airport.

>>383644597
>mvcicuck talking about anything

>>383640489
Can confirm meleefags have on average more anger and attitude issues. Not sure what it is about their culture but it's pretty sad.

>>383634389
>a simple kiddy fighting game

When was Smash ever this? Sakuri was a competitive fighting game player who set out from the get go to create a competitive alternative to the Street Fighter model, and succeeded fantastically with the first attempt. Melee was then the sequel to this that was altered to be faster and have more skillful play on top of the original. It had tons of shit that was deliberately put it to this end, i.e. Z-canceling was modified to cut landing lag by half instead of completely, more dodging options, DI (which was in the original too) became more complex and so on. Being able to LandFallSpecial (waveland) at the opening of a jump was an unintentional oversight, but that only adds options to the game without breaking anything else.

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>>383645447
>Sakuri was a competitive fighting game player

no.

>>383644798
>if there's one thing the smashfags do right it's sticking to their old game, competitively, and I applaud them for that

The only reason Melee is still the big Smash game is because there was never a sequel and while Nintendo support Sm4sh it doesn't control the competitive community like Capcom does for SF.

If Capcom didn't run the competitive SF circuit you can bet that USFIV would still be the dominant SF game.

I legitimately cannot understand how someone could prefer watching smash 4 over melee. I understand why someone would prefer playing it considering the investment needed to get good at melee, but watching smash 4 is so fucking boring.

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>>383633604
>play diablo 2 instead of 3
/v/ sees you as a patrician and respects your choice
>play Melee instead of smash 4
/v/ says you have autism and are a cry baby

>playing nu-nintendo games
good joke

Meleefags are assholes for being so up their own ass about their aging game who's meta is slowly decaying as people realize that the gods are never really going to be toppled, and as the skill ceilings become more and more apparent.

Anti-Meleefags are assholes for caring so much about a game having a fanbase as dedicated as Melee's, especially as there's really nothing else on the market that's both of the same subgenre, and is as technical (I love Sm4sh, mind you, but it's pretty easy compared to serious Melee, though that's not to say that Sm4sh itself is braindead.)

>>383640820
What fucking douchebags, Jesus

>>383644750
Jelly. I'm gonna be driving up from NB probably. Last year there was a bus that brought a shit tonne of Maritime players up but no such luck this year.

>>383640252
Pros have no obligation to play stylishly or haphazardly just to appease viewers. They are there to win, especially the ones who do it for a living.

>>383646381
>Pros have no obligation to play stylishly or haphazardly just to appease viewers

That's a pretty shortsighted mindset considering the only reason they're playing for a prize pot at all and can make a living off playing is viewers.

>>383646485
But it isn't. They have no reason to change their gameplay style just to entertain the people watching. Are you seriously suggesting pros should do that? Yeah, the viewers are obviously a huge part of it, but again they have no obligation to make it flashy for us. There are players who do risky semi-unorthadox shit anyway, but Hbox is never going to be one of them. And neither are most of the other tip top pros.

>>383646683
>But it isn't.
But it is. Esports only exists because there are people who will watch them. If people lose interest in a game then the game dies and the pros have to get a new job.

>>383647032
People haven't lost interest though. Again, the players are not required to play how the viewers want them to. That's idiotic, especially at a tourney.

>>383645647
This. I play(ed) smash 4 "competitively" but I cant stomach smash 4 tournaments. Its fun to play imo, but its really not fun to watch because the top tiers are all campy and boring.

Love watching melee but i cant play it because starcraft ruined my hands.

I moved on to streetfighter V and guilty gear instead.

Thanks for reading my blog

>>383647118
>People haven't lost interest though
Some have, you can watch the numbers drop for every Hbox or Icies grand finals.

> the players are not required to play how the viewers want them to
No they're incentivized to because the viewers are the reason they have a paycheck.

>>383645559
>If Capcom didn't run the competitive SF circuit you can bet that USFIV would still be the dominant SF game.

you'd be surprised with the kind of capcuks out there on places like /fgg/, I don't know man

>>383647253
>Some have, you can watch the numbers drop for every Hbox or Icies grand finals.
>some

Oh wow. And? It's negligible, you do realize how big the Melee Esports scene is, yeah?

>No they're incentivized to

Good thing they don't, since that's incredibly stupid. No one forces them to watch, they are doing it because they want to watch.

>>383647236
>but i cant play it because starcraft ruined my hands.
what was your apm in sc?

>>383647436
I played terran at a low gm/high masters level.

Apm was prob 180-250

Its my mouse hand thats ruined tho

>>383633604
Melee is like super dragon ball z where as Sm4sh is like tenkaichi 3

Super has the better game play, but Tenckaichi has many more characters.

>>383647236
Mk Leo isn't campy
Locus isn't campy
Zero isn't campy
Nairo isn't campy
Fatality isn't campy
Mr. R doesn't camp
Mr. E doesn't camp
Ally doesn't camp
ESAM doesn't camp
etc.

Come on now. The most notable 'campy' player is basically Dabuz, MVD, and that faggot Bayo player.

>>383633604

Because Smash 4 players think they're hot shit in a game that has auto-combos with fucking down throws, and a billion up airs is somehow hype for them.

Melee's meta may be stale but it's still fun to play and watch from time to time, while Smash 4's meta got stale on its second year and it's only getting worse. Player's think they're hot shit in what is essentially the Special Olympics of the Smash games.

Hurrr durr everyone is a winner with no hitstun hurr durr only down throws though lol hurr durr.

wens smash bros rumble

>>383647791
Most japs have passive, dabuz-like style, be it due to character limitation or optimal play. Also, Salem camps way, way more than zack as bayo.

>>383647791
>Mk Leo isn't campy
He can be. See: Canada Cup 2016

>Zero isn't campy
>>>>>>>>>>>>

You're right about the rest but cmon. Zero is a defensive player.

>>383648058
Find me a game where he is being campy

If you think Zero camps you don't really know what being campy in smash 4 is. He plays very aggressively, how do you think he wins consistently? Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he is campy.

>>383647791
Wut? Literally only fatality is fun to watch

Remember when people used to say sm4sh has no edgeguarding? Arms saga was fun to watch with this in mind.

>>383648203
>Find me a game where he is being campy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZdel3IVQRk
:^)

Nah but really, he's not all that campy. He just knows how to switch between offense and defense on the fly. That's why he's so good.
And his ledge pressure is fucking insane.

>>383648205
>Locus isn't fun to watch

End your life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q34TNUVR9k

>>383648417
Triggered

>>383648203
I hate Zero but honestly it is entertaining to watch him shit all over Bayo players.

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Anti-melee normally comes from the FGC fucking hating the melee community. They are stereotypically the worst people in the event with poor regard for hygiene. The epitome of "that guy". They have a massive superiority complex and call their top players "gods".
What got me is one year all the melee started yelling at some other game's finals (forget which, IIRC it was Street Fighter) and to get on with Melee.
4 being an inferior game, to me it felt like Meleefags could finally vindicate themselves to the FGC and the general feel I got out of it was "Look at that game, our game is so vastly superior. Please accept us".

Reminder cloud is cancer and should be your answer whenever you lose a game on a losing matchup.

>>383648428
>me in charge of links

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPLHTFRoUZA

Meant this one, but he is in the other one too, this ones all him.

>>383647424
>Oh wow. And?
You said people haven't lost interest. I proved you wrong.

>Good thing they don't, since that's incredibly stupid
It's actually incredibly smart to maintain your job security, something you probs owuldn't understand since you're an autistic neckbeard NEET.

>>383648601
>What got me is one year all the melee started yelling at some other game's finals (forget which, IIRC it was Street Fighter) and to get on with Melee.
It was CEO last year and the Emcee was getting the crowd hyped up for Melee.
But then it got delayed because GG went over time and people boo'd.
They boo'd the delay, mind you, not GG itself.

If you want an actual example of them being BM, they boo'd Smash 4 at Apex 2015

>>383648601
>>383648836
Even so, apparently Meleefags have been screaming and booing at other games too and have a rep for trying to steal CRTs from people running small Neo Geo and retro tourneys.

>>383648809
>You said people haven't lost interest.

And they haven't. The majority haven't, a game is going to lose viewers over time anyway regardless ofr multiple reasons. All esports have had this happen

You said:
>If people lose interest in a game then the game dies

It's not anywhere near dead despite some lost players because they don't like watching a specific player. Ultimately, it does not matter currently, and has yet to have any actual impact on the Melee scene.

>>383648809
>It's actually incredibly smart to maintain your job security, something you probs owuldn't understand since you're an autistic neckbeard NEET.

Esports is pretty different. Again, they are not obligated to play how fans want them to. They are there to play their characters optimally and win tourneys and place well. You've yet to present an actual rebuttal to that, and now you're in ad hominen projection mode. Hbox playing the way he plays hasn't lost him his job security, and it certainly hasn't lost him tourneys.
The idea that you need to play differently to appease people is again, idiotic. There's a reason he's a top player with a character that no one else is that proficient with.

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Reminder that meleefags refuse to play without glitches and now apparently "faulty" controllers that give them a competitive edge

http://compete.kotaku.com/smash-god-drops-out-of-tournament-because-his-controlle-1794769487

>>383648809
If it's smart why isn't Hbox doing it? It's because he doesn't need to.

>>383649369
>kotaku
McFuckingkillyourself

>>383649462
Doesn't change the fact that it still happened

>>383649591
Yes, i'm not defending it, but don't fucking link kotaku

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While we're on this topic, how come the concept of "tier whoring" only seems to exist for Smash 4? In every other fighting game it's perfectly acceptable to play Tier 0/1 characters because they want to win. There's nothing not honorable about using the best character to increase your chances of winning. Yet I vividly remember people screeching at Zero because he used Diddy Kong.

>>383649747
>how come the concept of "tier whoring" only seems to exist for Smash 4?
get out of your bubble then.

>>383649673
>"M-muh 4chan culture!"

Look newfag, I know you read the handy-dandy notebook on how to blend in with all of us cool kids here on the 4chans but you don't have to keep up the ruse this blatantly

>>383649848
I've not seen anyone call out any other player for using top tier characters for a different game.

>>383649747
Something about he maining MK in brawl, pre-patch diddy, pre-patch sheik when diddy got nerfed, switched to diddy again when he noticed he noticed that diddy was still good(his merit) and has a pocket cloud.

>>383633604
It's just on the internet for the sake of shitpost.

I went to several tournaments with both games featured and while the two communities are quite distinct, with very few players like me actually playing both, they generally get along pretty well.

>>383650014
>playing who wins you games

Wow, what a criminal Zero is. I don't get why people get so autistically mad over his choices.

>>383650004
Every single multiplayer game ever has had people complaining about what is considered OP.

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>>383649865
>not supporting shit journalism isn't acceptable in 2017
Last (You) i'm giving you, Patricia Hernandez.

>>383650134
No one cares anymore, he almost singlehandedly pushes the diddy meta, and his pocket cloud is kind of shit for his standards.

>>383649223
>And they haven't.
I proved otherwise.

>Again, they are not obligated to play how fans want them to.
No they're incentivized to.

You've used up your (You)'s from me.

>>383650379
People still sperg when he takes a tourney.

>>383650383
>No they're incentivized to.

But none of them do, because they know it's stupid. You've done nothing but post garbage and haven't provided any actual reason to do what you propose. None of the top players job security is at danger, especially not Hbox's.

He is also aware that some dislike his playstyle, and has said many times that it doesn't matter and he does what he needs to to win, and play Jiggly to the best of his ability

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSLQ42TaRrA

Here's one of a million examples of him mentioning it.

>You've used up your (You)'s from me.

Thank god, feel free not to respond, but you're still wrong, nice try though.

>>383650517
Because his character isn't flashy.
Because he wins "everything"(despite the fact that he just lost a tournament)
Because he's fat, not good looking and sometimes is an arrogant cunt, to some people.
Because he elliminates fan favorites quite oftenly due to being too good
Not because his character is top tier, especially after bayonetta and cloud became a thing.