Explain again how PC gaming is suppose to be cheaper than a console.

>>383595068
>No paid online
>All games can easily be downloaded for free
>Can mine cryptocurrencies while your not using it
>Easy upgradeability
A PC is an investment that pays off in the long run.

PC isn't really cheaper. A good pc is outdated in 2 or 3 years if you plan on buying and playing the new games every year.

>>383595507
>PC is an investment
No, and no you nigga don't you pull "mining" as an excuse. PC is a liability, consoles is a liability but properties, now that's an investment.

>>383595068
Price Per Value

>>383595068
>Can mine cryptocurrencies while your not using it

wow, those 2 chinese franc are sure worth it!

>>383595654
I spend 550 on my PC and can resell it a 1000 easy. can your console do that, and fuck my system has a 5 year old processor too.

>>383595068
>picking one of the highest priced/powerful components
>can make a PC for around 400-500 that can outperform consoles and you can do other shit on them
>upgrade whenever you want/have money
>not paying for access to internet you already pay for
>sites like cdkeys offer games for dirt cheap
>steam sales
PC gaming can be as cheap as you make it or as expensive as you make it
>inb4 pcfag
I own a PS4 and a PC, use both regularly. Both good for their own uses, both have some pros/cons.

>>383595068
That card has like, 2x the performance of a xbox one x

>>383595643
A 1080 is going to outlast the next generation of consoles in terms of power so no. Maybe even longer than that.

>>383595889
lmao no. xbox one x is using an unreleased much better card than 1080 ti.

>>383595068
Because that 1080 is 3x more powerful than current consoles. Try the 1050

>>383596050
>xbots are this retarded
You should go back to not existing

>>383596050
>there are retards who actually believe this
lmao good thing this is a bait post

>>383595846
Yes actually scalping is very common in the console world, especially with limited release consoles or popular things being pulled from the stores like the popular horror experience P.T.

It's very easy to make money off either.

>>383595643
Shiet nigga, didn't know the game will just refuse to launch if it detects the PC's components are 2-3 years old. Should definitely get a console, we all know console hardware grows more powerful as time goes by.

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>>383595654
Notch earned a billion dollars tinkering on his PC.

Your PC's earning potential is limited to your imagination unlike consoles which guarantees to earn you nothing.

>>383595846
Ask all the switch scalpers

>>383595068
Wait who ever said that? It's better and more expensive, go figures.

>>383595940
Yet they will still run better on consoles.

Stop meming around guys, really.
It's not cost effective to build a PC right now. It usually is and it will be eventually but it isn't right now and you shouldn't pretend that it is.
If someone had the choice of buying a PS4 or a PC right now, the choices are either to wait or buy the PS4.

>>383595068
You don't need a card anywhere near that powerful to outperform a console
A radeon rx470 can outperform a ps4 pro and is $180

>>383596198
Yeah at release, you can do the same with cards fag, i didnt scalp shit, I just got lucky on the price the card was 375 and the rest was like 150ish (I7 2600 12bg of ram 2tb HDD GTX 1070)

>>383596307
>he says while most console versions are locked at 30 FPS by scummy developers
1080 with a good CPU can run even shitty ports at 60 FPS, keep being a brainlet though

>>383596050
I know. sony drones and fedoras cant handle the truth

>Everyone in here saying a 1080 is so amazing
It can't even max settings, 4k, 60 fps all current gen games.

>>383596050
Holy fuck, if you actually belive this you should neck yourself.

>>383596372
Not until the cryptonig currency crash it isn't. More like 400 Eur if even in stock.

>>383596570
that means you have a shit cpu then
1080 is op

>>383595068
It's the difference between public transportation and owning a car. One allows more convenience and the ability to personalise your product as much as you'd like. The other has routes limited to what the company decides you can have but has exclusive features like more seats. Ultimately, yes a car is more expensive than a bus pass.

>>383596570
Stop trying to use it with a shit AMD CPU

>>383596307
Like what nigger GTA V lol

Honestly, I don't know why people keep saying consoles are good spec wise when even the Xbox one x STILL has the jaguar laptop CPU that weaker than a goddamn 5 year old i3. It's the entire reason why theycan put the price point as low as $500

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>>383595068
>picks one of the most expensive GPU's on the market
>EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS CHEAPER THAN MY CONSOLE
i know it's bait but holy fuck

>>383596663
>>383596630
I mean I've got a 6700k. Is ahite

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>>383596441
Lel, it's not even close to 1070 and worst it's paired with an obsolote five year old netbook CPU.

>>383596732
Delusion and buyer's remorse that fuels brand loyalty by people too poor for multiple options. The thing that keeps console wars going.

>>383596595
umm, no sweetie. There is a reason xbox one x outperform every other machine (including pc's with 180 ti) on graphics.

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>>383596050
Can't wait to play Minecraft™ in 4K on my Microsoft© Xbox™ One X!

>>383596875
>using an AMD CPU with a NVIDIA GPU
>HURR WHY IT NO WORK
Autism

>>383596663
Except I also have a 1080 and an i7 7700 intel CPU overclocked at 4.5 and he's not wrong, you fucking idiot. Dev's just straight up dont give a shit.

>>383596915
How many cents does microsoft pay you per post mate? are you from india or somenthing?

>>383595507
>spend $3000 on a PC
>make $0.27 a day
>???
>profit

Nice bruh who ethereum master race here???

>>383596989
Every benchmark test out there disagrees with you, you lying console fuck. I bet you just googled all that shit to sound convincing.

I have a 1080ti and I hardly game anymore.
I can never get smooth frame-times. Doesn't matter if I'm getting 70fps+ at 3440x1440 if the frametimes are all over the place it's annoying.

On top of that, there's no games I want to play, everything is boring and I can't get into anything.

>>383596676
what? gta v maxed out is 10x prettier than consoles could ever dream of looking

>>383595643
A 1060 still outpaces a PS4 and Xbone, and even with the "4k" updates to the consoles, they aren't reaching true 4k. Even then, they lock themselves at 30 fps, where a 1060 can still reach almost 60 fps in most games at 4k, and still have the game look better. Normally, 1060s and 1070s would be a lot cheaper, but miners are currently making the market soar.

>>383595853
>400-500 that can outperform consoles

Why lie?

>following meme standards in their infancy and buying DA BEST HARDWARE FOR MUH GAYMEN PC
The most retarded thing ever. Top tier PC costs 2x, 3x more than say newest console shitbox. Yes, it will scratch the surface of yet another memed into existence visual standard. For a fucking year or so, than a 1500k rig is worthless, crashing down hard in terms of value. My point is to build mid-low range tier machine which fully supports the visual standard which is not a meme by said point in time. aka let's say 1080p/60+ fps or 1440p/60+ fps. And it's all for fair price. Top tier hardware is lunacy in modern PC culture. Or for die hard enthusiastic maniacs.

>>383595643
except i built my pc in 2010 and im playing new games at near-max settings.

>>383595068
there's a big giant long list of advantages both financially and fun wise.

>>383597138
He's right though, a single 1080 doesn't max out 4k. This is common knowledge.

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>>383597226

>>383596981
I don't really understand the problem he's having. I have an Nvidia gpu with an AMD cpu and I get 60 fps at 4k easy. I think there's something else missing in his build, probably. Or maybe he's just retarded.

>>383595643
Say that to my 6 year old 2500k faggot

If you build a decent pc you only need a gpu upgrade every 3 years to continue making games. Or you could just lower the settings over time like consoles.

>>383595068
only reason that shit's that high right now is because of cryptocurrency miners

fucking cyberjews and their pretend money

>>383597158
Wowwwwwwwwwww you got the point, good job.

>>383597339
Nice reddit meme newfriend but you didn't answer the question.

>>383597318
>lying
>on the internet
Even if you were right, what's your point? Consoles don't do real 4k, either.

>>383595507
>Can mine cryptocurrencies while your not using it

That's a nice way of saying "here's where my electricity bill money goes".

>>383597367
Cryptocurrency fags don't want the 1080 the memory is too power inefficient. They're only going for 1060/70

>>383595068
THANK YOU FOR RUINING PC GAMING CRYPTONIGGERS

I HOPE YOU LOSE ALL YOUR DIGITAL MONEY

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>>383596915

>>383596981
Wtf 6700k is intel

Dumb memecoin miners.

>>383596993
I'm white you turkroach

>>383597138
Are you looking at the 4k benchmarks or the 1080p ones?
I stutter in BF1, Dishonored 2, Wolfenstien just to name a few. They don't bother testing the options they allow for, just ever. It's fucking frustrating.

>>383595643
This fag doesn't know the glory of a 2500k

>>383596981
>you can only use Intel CPUs with a 1080

What? Are you literally retarded?

>>383597578
Greece pls pay denbts and go

>>383597415

>>383590469

>>383597621
4k benchmarks usually have the anti-aliasing kicked up too high. There's no good reason for a performance drop for something so minor. I think The Division is one of the worst offenders here. The only time the huge difference was even noticeable in recent memory was Deus EX MD

>>383596981
You are being retarded on so many levels I don't even understand

>>383597649
>>383597760
Intel CPUs work much, much better with Nvidia GPUs than AMD ones do. This is common knowledge. But /v/ is always retarded when it comes to computers since the majority of people here are consoletards

>>383597415
>I dont know shit about computers
>my upscaled medium settings 30fps console is better

You can go on youtube and look up pc builds around 400 that are better than consoles.

If that is expensive for you keep to the mobas and blizzard games or just take your peasantry to consoles.

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>>383597697
>thet coment

>1080ti
>muhbudgetpc.png
You must be retarded, OP.

>>383595068
fucking magic internet money mining

>>383597841
That's some advanced funposting anon

>>383595643
A good pc will high-ultra now and in 2-3 years med-high at a better frame rate, AA and 1080p - 1440p

>>383595068
Games are cheaper on pc, so over time pc gaming is cheaper. But ofcourse if buy the best shit, pc gaming will still be far more expensive, but you are getting 5x times graphical the quality literally

>>383597886
Nobody but greek boyfuckers use turkroach as an insult
You are unveiled

>>383597231
>saying that gtx 580 or radeon analog from that time can max out modern games
Yeah, at 1080p and 20 fps maybe at best.

>>383597841
Except that's a myth and you're gullible as fuck to believe it.

>>383596981
>>383597649
Exactly. Are you fucking braindead? It makes no difference as long as the CPU does not bottleneck the GPU

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>>383598026
>you are getting 5x times graphical the quality literally

HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA the games with best graphics today are ps4 games.

>>383595643
Only if you want to play everything at maxed settings.

I bought my 2gb 7850 a year before PS4 launched for $200 and it spanks the shit out it to this day in my bros desktop after a 25% overclock. And he's not forced to play at 900p 30fps.

>>383597841
Oh so you are retarded. Thanks for confirming.

>>383598075
OY VEY, SHUT IT DOWN. THE GOYIM KNOW!

>>383595068
Its supposed to be better, not cheaper. It can be cheaper if you're going to make a super budget build but then you're gimping yourself.

If you put PC on the same level as consoles you couldn't possibly see why its worth getting a decent PC. Console marketing wants you to believe all the games are on console and there are just like so many dude XD. Reality on the other hand shows that PC has access to a larger variety of games, massive amounts of freedom and you can actually have smooth 60fps or EVEN HIGHER (Yes higher exists, just make sure you have a monitor that can display higher than 60hz). Its like any other kind of upgrade, once you try it you'll understand. Just don't get a shitty budget PC, don't get a 1050ti/1060; 1070 is the minimum if you want the best experiences.

PC is a luxury, you can get an imitation (budget) or you can save up for the real deal. Either way, the best gaming experience is on PC if you can afford the luxury. A good strategy for feeling better about going without(this goes for any other kind of luxury item you may want) is to simply dismiss its value and convince yourself its not worth it and you're doing yourself a favor. "Why would anyone waste their money on such unnecessary bullshit right? I'm not missing out on anything."

>>383598062
Pathetic turktoach, keep talking you son of a bitch

>>383598026
>so over time pc gaming is cheaper
Only for neckbeards playing hundreds of games every year.

>>383597354
You max settings Witcher 3, GTAV, and Dirt Rally and never drop below 60fps at 4k?
I'm not calling you a liar because maybe you're telling the truth but maybe pay closer attention to your fps counter the next time you're playing those games. You might be surprised

>>383596307
What runs better on consoles?

>>383598065
>replace gpu with money saved from not paying to use your Internet
>?????
>profit

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>Cherrypicking

Two can play this game

>>383597090
>Buy $500 mid-range pc
>Play games for free or buy them in huge sales, emulate and enjoy the other features a PC provides.
"WOW, SO EXPENSIVE"

>Buy $300 console
>spend $2000 on games to play them with low fps and quality
"I'M SAVING SO MUCH MONEY!!!!"

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>master race desperate to justify their waste of money on every thread

how much does it cost to make a nice one? maybe i might build one for the first time but right now 1200 dollars is probably the most i can spend.

>>383598782
>consoles don't have sales
>used games don't exist
Dumb.

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>>383595068

>buys a card with triple the performance and less than half the cost of that of a console

>guys wtf, I thought pc gaming was cheaper even though with that graphic-card I base my argument about can run a 1080p @30fps title on console on 1440p@60fps steady on pc

idiots should stay on consoles, there are for people like you

>>383596072
try 4x more powerful

>>383598459
100$ each year to play online, new games in my country cost 40$ for pc and 60$ for consoles. so if you buy 6games a year, you already spent 200$ extra bucks on console. Now over 5y time period that easily adds up to 1000$. Console gaming cheaper? Nope

>>383598819
This is a very bad time because prices for graphic cards have exploded due to crypto currency mining
They seem to have crashed so you might be able to buy one soonish, and if you want to gamble you can probably get cheap ones from ebay in the next few weeks

>>383598498
If you read again, I said most games. Those games are on the higher tier of superfluous settings and graphical requirements. Things like hairworks, a number of GTAV's "ultra" settings, or something like DOOM's nightmare settings aren't going to be maxed out at 4k with a Nvidia GPU and AMD Processor obviously.

>>383598935

lets give Console idiots some playroom because ''muh optimization, can do wonders!''

>>383596274
There's a a slightly nuanced difference between utility and abusing nintendo's grasp of supply and demand

>>383598819
A nice one for playing at 1080p, 144p or 4k?
Do you need everything or just the computer?
Are you a yankee doodle or do you live outside the states and thus pay at least 30 percent more just cause?

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>>383598974
>100$ each year to play online
I know that you "people" are desperate but damn, at least try to not lose track of reality.

>>383598583
He said he can max out games on a said 7 year old PC, fucko. Not a word about upgrades were said.

>>383599280
the reality is on pc you dont have to pay to play online, enjoy your console tax.

>>383598915
paying for online also

plus you are stuck with a limited set of peripherals which are usually all overpriced

you will end up spending more on a console over a pc in the long run, and you get so much less out of it

>>383598075
>Except that's a myth and you're gullible as fuck to believe it.
This isn't an argument moron stop telling me I'm wrong REEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
BTW IM not gullible because i make 85k a year

>>383599053
Well if you read again my first post that you responded to, I said it couldn't MAX ALL games. That includes hair works in Witcher

>>383598558
bloodborne

checkmate atheists

>>383598819
I built mine for $500 2 years ago with monitor and peripherals, still runs new games at 60fps max settings
You can do pretty good if you aren't buying prebuilts and aren't a retard

I bought the other day an already used PS4 slim for 200€, and I can buy any game in ebay for 20€. It is not that I'm poor, it is just that I don't want to spend more money than necessary.

I like PC more than consoles, but I have to admit that PC master race can't compete with the economie of scale. Some day I hope.

>>383599578
No you don't
Post specs so we can laugh at how much you're bullshitting

>>383595068
PCs are for enthusiasts, consoles are for casuals

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>>383599285
I do, on a 7 year old pc with a $250 gpu upgrade

When I had my ps4 for 2 years I almost spent more on it than this PC cost me back in 2011, thanks to overpriced games + online fee

>>383599431
My ISP charges 30 euros every month for the PC internet.

>>383599053
And why do people keep saying AMD processor? I've already said that I have a 6700k

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>>383599657
As I said you can run any new game on a $500 rig with 1080p60
Mine is a bit outdated so you can do a lot better now (if it weren't for the cryptomeme)

>>383599891
And you'll need to pay more on top of that for console multiplayer. Jesus Christ.

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>b-b-but graphics
>PC wins
>b-b-but you can't do it at this arbitrary pricetag that has no relevance to a person wanting to play games at high end settings

>>383598816
>consolefags trying to justify their lackluster purchase on every thread

>>383599609
>looking at the short term instead of the long term

building a pc for $600-700, pirating singleplayer games and no online fee would work out much, much cheaper. plus you get all the benefits of a pc (like backwards compatibility at higher res/framerate, emulation, choice of many controllers/mice, playing games at higher quality)

>>383600029
not to mention he needs the pc to shitpost anyway.

>>383595068

Find the actual card in a ps4 then upgrade it slightly, it's dirt cheap.

>>383600221
What card does the PS4 use anyway? I remember some anons saying it's a 7970?

>>383600221
not even worth it, low end crap like the gtx 1050 are better than the 7850 in the ps4

>>383599932
That CPU gets utterly destroyed by anthing with an above-zero CPU requirement, like BF1 or GTAV
That GPU gets destroyed by any slightly graphically demanding game, like BF1

I am all for efficient rigs but you don't need to bullshit people with claims that a low-tier rig can play games at any setting above medium if our aim is 1080p60fps

>>383600308
lol, it uses 7850, literally low tier end.

>>383600419
You have got to be kidding me. What about the Pro?

>>383599932
Also 500 punds is 650 american freedom dollars, not 1:1

>>383600308
its inbetween a 7850-7870, nowhere near a 7970

xbone uses 7790

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>poorfags making threads complaining about pricing
My SSD costs more than your entire console, and it didn't even make a dent in my savings. Maybe get a proper income and you wouldn't have to bitch every time something has a pricetag on it.

>>383599816
>$250 for a 980
what

>>383600418
Then explain how I can play any game at 60fps max settings, including BF1?

>>383600515
I was talking about american dollars, converted it from my country's currency because I'm neither brit or american

>>383595068
By not buying the most expensive single card gpu on the market

>>383600627
I got it when pascal was released

Old gens always go for dirt cheap when the new gen is released. Saw Furys for sub $300 which are almost on par with a 1070/980ti

>>383597841
Can someone please explain who the fuck started this meme? And don't post memed cherrypicked chart that was disproved by driver updates hundred of times already, this is from way way back.

>>383600510
around 1050ti i would

>>383600659
>Then explain how I can play any game at 60fps max settings, including BF1?
You fucking don't you dirty liar
My cpu is much more powerful than yours and it struggles with BF1 multiplayer
You're also not going to play on ultra with that gpu

>>383596050
even if this were true and not just shitty bait the X B O X's cpu is the equivalent of an I3 and would bottle neck the ever loving shit out of it.

http://www.pcgamer.com/heres-how-microsofts-xbox-one-x-compares-to-a-pc/

>>383600735
Retail or second hand?

>>383600941
retail. I think most were going for that price since the 480/1060 were similar performance for $250.

I didnt want to wait for 480/1060 stock to come in where I live so I just bought the 980, wish I waited another 2-3 months and got a Fury X for under $300 though

I'll probably go for a sub $300 1080 once volta is released

>>383600858
Yeah my cpu outperforms your shitty meme i5 that's why I said you can build a good pc if you aren't a retard

>>383601261
It objectively does not and you are full of shit, anon

>>383601178
>those prices
About the only thing I envy you americans for, goddamn

>>383600796
Just imagine, the Pro is perfectly capable of going 1080p/60fps but devs, pubs and Sony just don't give a shit about that.

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>>383596050
This is what console peasants actually believe.

>>383601473
the gpu is capable, but the cpu isnt in most games, at most it can do 30fps, ps4&ps4pro has same netbook tier cpu, literally G4560 for 50$ is 2x times as powerful as that shitty cpu.

>>383596050
Every single new console announced we have to deal with this shit.

>>383595068
Larger upfront investment but cheaper in the long run.
Games are cheaper and go on sale all the time. You can even pirate everything if you like.
You also don't pay extra for internet services. Need some more horsepower, just upgrade 1 component.

It's not exactly rocket science.

>>383601473
It isn't. The notebook-tier CPU bottlenecks the entire system.

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>>383595068
>Explain again how PC gaming is suppose to be cheaper than a console.

Because if consoles keep using tablet tier CPUs then you literally don't need to upgrade your processor for like 7 years and you're not paying for online

>>383602116
>>383601798
What a shitshow. And consolefags with blind loyalty aren't helping things either by being so willing to buy mediocre systems.

>>383595068
It's about the same around launch but around mid gen, consoles get quite a bit cheaper since they're easier to reduce costs. No way you're making a PC with new parts on par with PS4 for the $230 it's going on sale for today.
Steam sales have been slowly getting worse over the years and console digital sales have been getting better so the argument that you save a ton of money buying PC versions over console doesn't really hold true anymore.
Not that any of that really matters since people usually PC game for the added performance in the first place.

When are video cards actually going to be in stock again?

>>383599226
im cool with 1080p. i need everything cause all i have right now is a dirty old laptop and i live in canada.

>>383595643
It's pretty funny how each new game requires a better pc, when the console it came from never changed.

>>383595068
Alright fucker listen up, just done some calculating on my end and about to share some real numbers here.
Earlier this year I built my PC for $800 (i5 6600k and GTX 1060, 23in monitor), found myself some good deals, able to play all games on high to ultra.
Started pirating any games that interest me. Went back and ran it through steamdb and added up their prices.
94 titles.
$2445USD for the base game alone, as of 7/11/2017
And no, I am not proud of it, that's why I buy the games that I like on Steam after I've done playing them.