If it's not fun, why bother?

>that guy who's gonna respond with "achievements"

>>383590198
Sony should learn from this guy.

>>383590198
Such a childish mindset, no wonder Nintendo can't create true art like Sony can.

>>383590198
Reggie's definition of fun is scamming suckers to buy overpriced hardware using nostalgia as bait.

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CHEEVOS BRAH

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Waifus

Now stand back while I import pure garbage and pay even more for DLC, all while telling myself that I'm saving the industry because a feminist with a blog doesn't like this game.

>>383590198
The game

You just lost it

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>>383590198
That's a great question, Reggie.

It's amazing how succintly Reggie managed to put the entire philosophy of gaming into a few short sentences.

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“And then at the end [of the presentation], Reggie looked around the table and basically said “Look, don’t bullshit me. How do you guys really think this thing is going to hold up?” No one said a word for a minute, and then people started just spouting off more marketing lingo and faux (self) assurance. None of these people were gamers, none of these people even LIKED video games.” says Mercury.

>>383590198
I'm still salty he mentioned quests and we didn't any MHXX (3DS and/or Switch) announcements

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>>383590198
they should've applied that philosophy to botw.

>>383590867
Waifus are fun to my dick though

>>383591607
That's what doujins and hentai is for

softcore shit in vidya is a waste of money and time

>>383591694
No they aren't

>>383590719
This, (((fun))) is for drooling idiots who like consuming junk 24/7

>>383591694
t. low-test

>>383591770
>>383591819

You have to be literally underage if you get off to basic shit like DOA game models that is nothing but softcore teasing. If you was older it should take a lot more to get you off than basic shit like that.

>>383592205
t. low-test

>>383590198
Yeah I wonder why bother getting Pokemon too

>>383592205
get a load of this teenager

>>383592335
No need to sign yourself off every time you reply to my posts

>>383592205
show me a porn with better animations than DoA

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>>383591694 wrong!!!!

>>383592545
Nothing happens in DoA animations though.....

>>383592659
the strip club things?

Because game can enteraining player without being "fun"
Witcher 3 is totaly not fun, but sometimes it captures my attention and keeps me playing.
Arma is not "fun", but it is authentic and gives me unique expirience so i keep playing
"Fun" games are usually very repetitive and good to play 1-2 hours after work, if you want to be really addictive it's not enough to make it "fun"

>>383592589
she needs freckles

>>383592205
Porno addict retard.

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>>383590198
Is /v/ ready to admit that 'fun is just a buzzword' guy was totally correct and it's just a term people use when they are unable to explain why they liked something?

>>383592205
>he can't get off to clothed women

Wew, maybe cut back on that porn, lad

>>383592730
>strip clubs
>the most uneventful places you can go to because you are literally paying money to be teased

Well in real life you can get pussy depending on the club but back to DOA, it's just teasing, nothing happens whatsoever so you gotta be a child to fap to that shit

>MUH FUN
THIS is what you Nintendo drone mouthbreathers look like to the rest of us
https://youtu.be/eVM1nUmDHHc
https://youtu.be/eVM1nUmDHHc
https://youtu.be/eVM1nUmDHHc
https://youtu.be/eVM1nUmDHHc
https://youtu.be/eVM1nUmDHHc

>>383592883
He was 100% right. You should be able to explain in detail what makes a game good, or why you like it, without resorting to meaningless fluff like "it's fun"

Reggie's statement is different though, since that sentence ties into "If it's not a battle, where's the fun?"

>>383592883
I think the issue is, 'fun' is way too subjective for it to be used as a means to sell a game.

>>383593006
well funny how I can watch the videos of the DoA strip clubs with out paying a cent.

>>383592912
>he can fap to clothed women who do nothing

Wew, come back yo me when you're 20 years of age and above and your dick acquires taste and experience

>>383590198
It's true. I used to be really pretentious and I played games out of obligation practically. Ever since I stopped being a NEET, I've actually been able to enjoy games again.

>>383590719
Video games are not art

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>>383593150
>has to fap to a naked woman
>"y-you just don't have any experience"

>>383593117
Yeah, except the game you paid for LOL.

Even if you pirated, your still wasting time on a game that just teases you with nothing

>>383593252
did you not see where I said "I can watch the videos of the DoA strip clubs with out paying a cent"

>>383590198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8bycNBeI5c

Chico > Pico > Coco

>>383593249
Nah, naked women who do nothing are just as bad as clothed women who do nothing.

You and the others in the thread are able to get off to mere teasing where the girls in game do jack shit like some child who goes to page 3 of a newspaper and faps to the girl on there

>>383593252
not everyone needs FULL ON HARDCORE ASS FUCKING CREAMPIE COMPLIATIONS to get off, some people only need a tease.

Why do you care so much about what other people get off to?

>>383593294
Did you not see

>"you're still wasting time on a game that just teases you with nothing"

Even GTA V strip clubs are more interactive lmfao

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>>383592205
>his imagination is so lacking he can't get off unless it's explicit ass-fucking
>calls others underage

>>383593445
I didnt buy the game, and GTA V strip clubs have terrible models

>>383593386
>some people only need a tease.

Yeah, the children.

I bet if ANY of you people went to a strip club and the girl gave you a lap dance you would cum right there like a child

>>383593535
I'm gonna report you to the FBI for being this obsessed with children cumming

>>383593504
Bruv, how many times i'm gonna say it, don't matter if you pay or not, you're still get nothing in the end

>>383591801
>>383593069
>>383592883
Get the fuck out you underaged shitter. Games in their inception have always been about fun. If you wanted a story you would watch a movie or read a book. Now the lines have been blurred because of failed film school 30 somethings seeping into the industry that are trying to make video games into art.
Comic books aren't art.
Video games aren't art.
Stop trying to kill this medium because you can't grasp high art cinema and literature with your 105 IQ, so now you have to take a child/adolescent based medium and elevate it to your mediocre intellect. And I'm not defending Nintendo, I'm only clarifying what videogames used to be about.

>>383590198

I agree Reggie-kun, that's why people don't bother with Nintendo consoles anymore

>>383593478
>he has no tastes whatsoever and dicks get off to just seeing a video game girl doing nothing

LOL

>>383591551
They did. That is why everyone played and loved it, last I checked.

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>If it's not fun, why continue the formula and make a sequel to it and further destroy your once-beloved franchise?

>>383593782
I agree with him, but he's lying through his teeth here. Nintendo hasn't made a fun game since the gamecube

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This Funfair token explains it perfectly funnily enough

>>383593701
>failed film school 30 somethings seeping into the industry that are trying to make video games into art.
This is the key problem right here. All these people that try and defend these hacks just because 'muh exclusives' or some other underageb& opinion. Max Payne is the only objectively good 'other media' video game.

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>>383593535
I'd say you are more a child for not appreciating subtlety of lewd clothing. Rather than just getting off, I let my mind wander and expand, edging myself to higher and higher planes of orgasm.

Is dwarf fortress fun? Is call of duty fun? Why, why not? Why do people disagree over which one is fun? Who is actually right?

>>383590198
THEN WHY DID YOU MAKE ALL THOSE SHITTY LOW-BUDGET LOW-EFFORT GAMES FOR THE WII U AND 3DS

I swear NoA and NoJ have zero communication between each other.

>>383593701
>it's fun lmao

Just not an argument. Tells you nothing about a game.

>>383594101
fun is too subjective. I find turn based JRPGs fun, as well as DMC kinds of games. Most people would only find the later fun.

>>383590198
MAGIC

If I wanted to have fun I'd have friends. Video games aren't supposed to be fun.

>>383594026
Nah that's some damage control retort, kids with no tolerance built up are the ones who can fap to the smallest thing simply because they're just discovering puberty.

Oh yeah if you have been in prison for years you probably could fap to anything too

>>383593828
so it's okay when zelda does it.

it is just me or Anzu is prettier without make up?

>>383590198
>multiplayer games aren't fun
Thanks for saving me $400, Reggie! Weird to see a company advertise AGAINST themselves, though.

>>383594482
never seen it

>>383590198
>fun

>>383594179
It tells you everything about it unless you're in it for cutscene bloat and muh cinematic experience.

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>>383590198
YAMERO!

>>383590719
>>383591801
you didn't answer the OP question

>>383590198
That is a great statement. It really is a shame it is coming from Nintendo who haven't released a good, fun game in years.

>>383590441

But getting achievements can be fun

>>383590198
>If it's not fun, why bother?
And yet a good chunk of modern Nintendo games aren't fun

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>>383591801
yes thats exactly right. Thats why nintendo can never be kino-tier works of art filled with meaningful political statements like Mass Effect Andromeda

>>383590867
Dat projection

>>383591410
Sauce?

>>383590198
I don't. That's why I don't own any modern Nintendo products.

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>>383590867
Who needs waifus when Nintendo's getting thicc?

>>383590836
my friends always had more achievements that me without even trying

>>383593701
>Comic books aren't art.
>Video games aren't art.
Yes they are.

t. Literature professor

Now fuck off.

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>>383597328
>Yes they are.
>t. Literature professor

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>>383597328
>THE ENGLISH TEACHER IS HERE TO TELL US WHY VIDEOGAMES ARE ART

>>383597635
>English teacher

Can you not read, anon?

>>383597835
""""""""Literature""""""" """"""""Professor"""""""" is just a polite way of saying English teacher. Just like "Game designer" is a nice way of saying "Ideas guy"

>>383598238
Not him, but a "Literature professor" usually refers to a university position.

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>>383597572
>>383597635
>>383597835
>>383598238
>>383598514

Who gives a shit about stupid teachers when we've got THICCtendo?

>>383596709
That doesn't make any sense

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>>383593069
>The rest of us
Underaged sonygros?

Videogames aren't just fun. They are a means to give the player control over something. To act upon objects and decide their fate. That's why sony's 'power to the player' will always trump nintendo's 'fun.'

>>383599479
Yet you can't make many choices in most Sony movie games

>>383590198
Exactly, that's why I don't own a Nintendo console/handheld and instead went for PC/PSPro, the best combination there is.

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>>383599731
>Pc + shitpc
>Best combo
>Both share the 99% of games

>If it's not fun, why bother?

Really makes me wonder how they decided BOTW had enough content to ship considering the game has 5 enemies and 4 minibosses copypasted everywhere.

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>>383600074

I don't think anyone on this website gets that neither fun nor not fun can be argued.

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>>383599956
PS4 has more exclusives than Switch.

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>>383600320
Any argument over what's fun or not fun is easily ruined by pointing out that Germans exist.

>>383600432
Yeah! Like bloodborne and those succulent QTE fillef the last of us copy paste games.

>>383600826
Like Gravity Rush 2 or Yakuza :)

>>383590198
the plot

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>>383590198
>If it's not fun, why bother?

>>383600312
It's just a shame the game is a let down, I could not continue after 2 divine beasts, it's just too much recycled garbage.

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I ask that same question about my life every day when I wake up and look in the mirror.

Name 5 Nintendo games released in the last 5 years that were fun besides BotW

Pretty much anything you answer is going to be a game that was designed specifically for children that has literally zero challenge removing all possible fun from the game unless you're actually 10 or just braindamaged enough to have the mind of one. BotW was the only Nintendo game in the last 10 years that didnt treat the player like they were the usual mentally slow Nintendo fan.

>>383590867
You shithead, none of the actually cute girls are in that game.

>>383590198
because a game can give you pleasure, not just "fun".
What is beauty?
Or story telling?
Or challange?
Or discovery?
Or the so many other things that video games arouse?

Seeing gaming as medium that just promotes "fun", being a subjective term, is a shitshow of small thinking.
For example, people don't remember metroid prime fondly for the mindless fun. But I guess 2017 nintendo will never understand that.

>>383599956
>Both share the 99% of games

Can you link me to the steam pages of:
Bloodborne
Persona5
Nioh
Yakuza
Gravity Rush2
Uncharted
Second Son
Horizon
TLG

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If Fun is meaningless, does than mean you like it when things are not Fun?

>>383590836
In what way is that fun? It's just bragging rights.

>>383601223
Challenge and discovery, satisfaction of overcoming a challenge or discovering a secret.

This is why Souls is one of the most fun game series, it's only about challenge and secrets.

>>383592883
>>383590198
He is right something that Sony can not understand

>>383591410
Sauce? I'm interested in this.

Video games are not art

I don't know reggie, why the fuck are you releasing shit like animal crossing Amikbo party and why have nintendo games dropped in quality and content?

>>383590198
you know what nintendo man? you're right.
*delets overwatch*

>>383601359
Exactly.
Reggie said such a simplistic and downright stupid thing that I just believe that some PR moron told him to say this
>it's a catchy catchphrase just read it from the teleprompter

>>383601249
>TLG
>Uncharted
>Persona 5

Awful taste.

>>383590198
you know what nintendo man? you're right.
>*delets dark souls"

>>383596147
Having a goal is fun. That's why many people can't play operworld games for a decent time

>>383601476
Its about a Geist article. Nintendo was looking for a Halo competitor and they were trying to convince Reggie Geist was the answer.

https://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2013/08/17/the-struggles-of-marketing-the-gamecube/

>>383590198
Reggie knows what made the Wii a sucess:
Normies.

He's smart. Nintendo is really smart in its marketing, you can't deny this.

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How is this dude from Haiti? He's so fucking light.

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>>383601837
I can disprove it though.

>>383594383
Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword have had plenty of criticism.

>>383601674
SEETHING

No wonder /v/ hates this guy so much, he thinks that video games are meant to be fun and not a chore you do to impress your internet friends

>>383601818
>Sean Malstrom

Oh so it's nothing. Into the trash it goes.

>>383600320
>>383600585
People do things to get a dopamine injection in their brain. Some people call this feeling fun. Some people get dopamine by doing autistic things.

>>383596865

>>383601818

>>383602104
Sean Malstrom is smart though, no one understands Nintendo like him

>>383593818
>cucked nintendo fag with his switch

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>>383596147
I've had 50+ platinum trophies before convincing myself no one's really going to give a fuck about it

>>383590198
for social progress

>>383602374
Mikey, what are you doing on dad's computer again! You're supposed to be grounded!

If fun is all that matters, but fun is subjective, then any game can be fun and matter. That then means all games are in fact fun for someone. If thats true, then we can say all games can be fun. So in essence, what Reggie is saying, is basically

nothing.

>>383602978
reggie is just being a pretentious asshole who is just virtue signaling to their fanbase that their games are fun and everyone else's isnt.

>>383602978
>babby's first nihilism

>>383602978
>That then means all games are in fact fun for someone.
No, it doesn't.

Besides, the goal is to make the game as fun as possible for as many people as possible.

>>383603184
>for as many people as possible.

once upon a time, a game was made to be fun to a select group of people. And anyone else who had fun outside it was a bonus. Accessibility killed actual fun.

>>383590198
that's why I haven't bought a switch

>>383602542
but anon, don't you give a fuck about them

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>>383601074
It is fun tho

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>>383603382
life is suffering for nintendo fans

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>>383603467
What am I looking at here?

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>>383603382
>xenoblade 2
>2017

>>383603382
Pokemon Sun/Moon ins't a success in gaming, I'm sorry.

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>>383603382
>>383603382
>SuMo
>Fun

>>383603619
It is this year. This has been stated many times.

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>>383603382
>successes in gaming

I guess if the switch is the only platform you own

>>383601837
That is fact, it's why wiiu was actually decent. And why switch is hot garbage.
Who's really gonna bring their switch to a party and not instantly get labeled a giant manbaby

>>383603832
I also own a 3ds and a PC

>>383590198
It's almost as if "fun" is a subjective word that expresses an emotion like happiness, something that you can feel in games for things like the story, the music, the challange, etc etc.

Reggie is a retard that likes to spew simplistic one liners. And drones go ape shit
>oh so deep truly a genius

He is completely right but /v/ is contrarian central so don't expect a reasonable discussion.

>>383602868
Nintendobaby projecting

>>383601202
Tropical Freeze
3D World
Smash 4
Splatoon
Wonderful 101

There you go, have at it. Explain individually why each one of those games is no fun.

>>383603607
A conveniently placed chuck norris reaction image above an image of a runner whos head was cropped out, making it appear as though Chuck Norris's head is on the runner's body.

>>383603382
>Worst Pokemon games yet
>Empty open world Zelda
>Empty gimmicky Mario
>Weebshit
>Successes

What the FUCK did he mean by this?

>>383603936
Then you're one boring person if you're only buying Nintendo games

>>383603958
Whoa, now where have I heard this before?
>>383602186
Oh yeah that's right

When it comes to /v/ Fun comes last to "Muh gameplay" and "muh 1080p"

>>383603750
Not him but it's the only pokemon that I dropped. I dtopped it at bullriding.
Not fun. X and y were my last enjoyable pkmn games.

>>383603982
I can't explain why your opinion is wrong. Because it's an opinion, not a fact. If you think those are fun, then they are for you.

>>383603979
>look at these special words i learned off of a pakistani minecraft forum!

Michael, you have until the count of THREE to get off of daddy's computer!!

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>>383601202
>BotW was the only Nintendo game in the last 10 years that didnt treat the player like they were the usual mentally slow Nintendo fan.
Botw was made specifically for that very fan you mentioned. Botw is a game entirely for add kids who don't want to be told where to go and want to make their own adventure, which is precisely why Botw is the worst zelda game ever. It's not even an adventure. It's a literal early access survival game. I call it early cause the game is a very incomplete game. Other games have more content than it.

>>383603362
not anymore
I don't even play that much vidya nowadays

>>383604034
Nigga, that's Charlton Heston.

>>383604046
>Xenoblade
>weebshit

Back to neogaf you go, faggot.

>>383604328
xeno is weeb shit. thats precisely why people eat it up. it's definitely not for the cookie cutter gameplay

>>383602270

>Nintendo betrayed their fans with abandoning Super Mario Brothers for Mario 64, which no one today even considers a successor to the true Mario line of games.

Sure...

>>383604249
>Other games have more content than it.
Raw quantity is not necessarily what makes things fun.

>>383604489
It's not a wrong statement. We haven't gotten a NES style SMB game since. Not even NSMB is the same as their old platforming classics.

>>383604312
sorry, I thought it was a relevant and well-known actor

:^)

>>383604536
Raw freedom isn't, either, which is all Botw is. You might as well throw yourself into a gated backyard because it would be the same experience. A whole lotta nothing.

I thought it was pretty savage of Reggie to come out with such a short summary of the Wii U.

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>>383604328
>Xenoblade
>Not weebshit

Don't forget all the nintenbros fapping to generic anime slut #23457 with red hair and balloon tits.

There are different levels of fun. For instance, watching tv is mindless entertainment, unless its an educational program. Videogames are fairly mindless as well. Same with reading. This isnt the same kind of fun as creating stuff. Writing a book, painting, making a videogame etc. These are more long lasting and stick with you after you hit certain milestones, though not as enjoyable while in the process.

>>383604570
Right. Planet of the Apes isn't well known.

>>383590198
This is the question I ask to myself every time I try a new game.

>>383605021
>Planet of the Apes
>not the Ten Commandments
In any case the TWO reboots of Planet of the Apes has long overwritten the originals in public consciousness.

>>383604562

That wasn't his point though. His point is that Mario 64 is not a successor to NES Mario without even giving any reasons. Additionally he says that it is a betrayal to fans.

The fact is that games have to change to survive, and this is a lesson Nintendo has had to relearn multiple times.

This guy just comes off as some disconnected old guy that is angry that the video games he likes are different today.