Can JRPGs even compete?

>>383586320
Call me back once UB is adapted for EE.

>>383586320
>Glorified CYOA that pretends to be a D&D simulator
>Linear amusement park aimed at fans of mongolian cartoons

Why do they need to be compared?

If anything, it will be better to compare JRPGs to actual western attempt at mimicking grorious nippon gaming, like Anachronox.
It's still better in terms of writing than the most of nip RPGs though.

>>383586320
nope

>>383586320
Presona and Souls say yes.

>Hey Chief, you okay? You playin' corpse or you puttin' the blinds on the Dusties? I thought you were a deader for sure.

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>>383587627

>>383587627
>Persona's unsubtle symbolism and Souls' nonexistant story
>comparing to Planescape

This is why you need to read books, kids

frankly PST is so different from most JRPGs that I'm not really sure too many meaningful comparison can be made. Hell, few RPGs can either. PST is a super unique experience.

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>>383587627
>Presona

>>383587627
>Presona

Honest question. Is Persona actually any good or is it the another extremely clinched JRPG series?

>>383587920
>clinched
I've meant cliched.

>>383587920
The latter

>>383587920
The first two aren't very cliched, and the third is middling.
4th and 5th are very cliched.

>>383587814
I can't really think of any games that have the quality of writing Planescape does.

There's games with better atmosphere, like Grim Fandango, where it's all in the aesthetics, but not a better story.

Planescape: Torment did have some crummy combat gameplay, mind you. Compared to Baldur's Gate 2 it wasn't up to much. The real gameplay was the readan.

>>383587920
I like Persona but honestly? Both.

>>383587920
It's mostly popular because it's a Japanese highschool sim populated by cute anime girls. It's weeb as fuck but has a lot of visual flair

>>383587627
You seriously can't be that stupid.

Planescape is also pretty much the pinnacle of writing.

>>383587920
I've played 4 and it feels like it was designed by two different teams, one that had a lot of original ideas and inspirations and another one that wanted to abuse every cliche in the slice-of-life anime playbook.

>>383587920
Series is full of cliches especially 3 up but they (particularly 1 and 2) do some interesting things storywise. 3 up make gameplay much better though, since it apes nocturne's press turn system. All definitely worth at least a play.

>>383587920
theyre cliche highschoolers with superpowers fantasy bullshit

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>>383588371
Is SMT better in that sense? People recommended to me Strange Journey quite a lot.

>>383588470
I'd recommend SMT but only if you like dungeon crawlers. If you're a fan of Torment or the other infinity engine games I wouldn't recommend it

>>383586320
>Says it right in the credits that it is inspired by FF VI and VII
>c-can JRPGs even c-compete, guise?
Next, you'll be asking if Greek philosophers can even compete with existentialism.

>>383586320
This is the only western game with a Japanese style cover
You know what I mean

Tbh I tried playing planescape torment a few years ago and couldn't figure out how to leave the main area. Everything's too dark I can't see the game well enough.

>>383589523
I'd laugh at you but honestly I got lost too. The remake's supposed to be good -- just updating the graphics, not pulling a BG.
Either way you should definitely give it another go.

>>383587627
Souls is fun, but it has literally no story. It has a basic foundational setting, and then just puts some cool monsters in there, and everything is something you infer basically accidentally.

>>383587627
Dark Souls isn't a jRPG, dumbass

>>383587627
this

>>383586320
>Can JRPGs even compete?
It's kinda apples to oranges. Yes, they're both RPG's, it just feels like the style and goals of the devs are really different.

>>383587542
>like Anachronox.
holy crap, I forgot that game ever existed. Is that the one where you can have an entire populated planet as a character in your party? Pretty great IIRC, but a little buggy.

JRPG's have more fun and immersive combat but in terms of writing, obviously baldurs gate 2 blows every JRPG away as well as every WRPG.

>>383589892
>fun and immersive combat
Which JRPG's are these? You mean the million of turn based anime party ones? Also PS:T's writing is much better than BG2's.

>>383589892
>BG2
>Writing
It's a great game, but not because of its writing

>>383589769
>it just feels like the style and goals of the devs are really different
And can JRPGs compete?

>>383589892
The JRPGs that realize that turn based combat can't work by itself are pretty fun. Most don't do that, though.

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>WRPGfags still have to rely on 20 year old games to argue that their genre is superior

>>383589956
Tales, star ocean. Even ff12 has better combat than bg2.

>>383590206
>implying any JRPG's that aren't 20 years old are good either

>>383589586
I honestly didn't know there was a remake I'll check it out. It's good to know I'm not alone there, I felt retarded.

>>383590248
And Icewind Dale has much better combat than all of those.

Is the RPG a dead genre?

>>383590206
The JRPG genre is so stone cold dead the only big game released is Persona and some 50/50 bad or okay/good Final Fantasy games with some gems here and there among all the anime loli JRPGs.

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>>383586320
Will an RPG ever have party members that cool again?
>a talking skull freed from the hellish amalgamation of traitors and turncoats in the pit of Avernus
>a half-demon street urchin-turned-thief
>a chaste British succubus for the healer
>the disembodied spirit of Judge Dredd, now haunting his old suit of armor forever
>a mind-broken mage permanently linked to the plane of fire, literally burning from the inside out
>a gith warrior-mage whose religion the main character fabricated in a previous life to ensure his eternal servitude

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This frightens, confuses, and angers the JRPG kiddies.

>>383590878
Ultima is something like a Ford Model-T within the video game sphere: innovative, popular, and tremendously influential, but ultimately a damn jalopy.

Read this, even CRPG oldfags acknowledge its awful design.
http://www.filfre.net/2014/07/ultima-iv/

>>383590495
I guess so. Most devs want to make rehashed JRPG garbage or Bioware-tier boring ARPGs.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Cyberpunk but if it turns out to be another lame almost-RPG I'll just give up on the genre for good.

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>>383586320
well, hi there.

>>383591101
Well done, you somehow found a game more clunky and antifun than PS:T. Next someones going to post Drakengard.

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>>383586320
Can rpgs even compete?

>>383587627
>>383587920
I played Persona 3, and I was mindblown at how simple it is. You can beat literally every enemy in the game by switching to the weakness and attacking. Keep in mind there are only a few enemies in each area, and the levels are mostly empty and random generated. Do people only like this game because of the artstyle? There's no way you can call this gameplay good in any sense. Try playing the goldbox crpgs as a comparison. I've heard people say that SMT is better than Persona, but by looking at google it just looks like a Wizardry wannabe.

>>383591269
Most generic game of all time. I play games to explore new places not my backyard.

>>383591319
>I play games to explore new places
Are you 12?

>>383591269
Does anyone outside of Poland still play this game?

>>383591454
How in anyway does that implore him as underage? Exploration is a core part of a game especially an open world one and nobody wants to explore generic fantasy setting #431

>>383588470
SMT is more gameplay driven. Storywise 1 and 2 are very interesting setting wise, and ascetically 3 is killer. SJ is basically Etrian Odyssey (read casual wizardry) with MT paint over it. All the games are pretty lacking in story, and tries very little to make the major players of the game empathetic. 4 and 4a are the notable exceptions of mainline, being more character driven but they have their own problems. 1,2 and SJ are first person dungeon crawlers, while Nocturne is more a dungeon crawler. 4 and 4A are just RPGs.

What the hell /v/. How come people say Persona and Dank Souls instead of Dragon Quest and Chrono Trigger fuck. I'm triggered

>>383586320
would have been better as a book.

i cant think of any good or particulary fun gameplay

>>383591740
most old RPG's aren't

>>383591710
Westerners don't play DQ and nobody plays Chrono Trigger because SE says so.

>>383591787
To be fair Dragon Quest fucking blows.

>>383591624
>implore
I think the word you are looking for is 'implicate'

>>383591310
People play Persona games for the story, not the gameplay.
>>383591740
Similarly, in PS:T's case the story is the gameplay (like some anon said, it's a CYOA).

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I'm trying to put together a list of both WRPGs and JRPGs that are very well-written

>WRPGs have
Planetscape Torment
Baldurs Gate
Witcher
Deus Ex

>JRPGs have
Trails
Xenogears
Mother 3
Nier

>>383591310
Yet you don't mention anywhere that you have little control over your party members, the flaw that literally everybody mentions, have you actually played the game?
And yes early JRPG's and a few modern series are all heavily influenced by wizardry, the difference between smt and wizardry is that the world building and design is far better in smt's case and the combat is a lot more rewarding, fun and better designed also easier.
>>383591658
SJ is harder than nocturne and I don't understand why you think nocturnes defining feature is 'asceticism'.
imo SJ is far more ascetic since the world is far more alien than in nocturne.

>>383591740
You see the world, do the options, can skip side missions. Never had the feeling when readin a damn book that you want to fucking kill the main dudes and dudedinnas for doing dumb as fuck shit?

>>383591740
>would have been better as a book.
Actually there is one. And it's not that good.

>>383586320
Is that journal writing simulator I've heard so much about?

>>383592197
Pathologic, VMTB, Fallout 1, and Arcanum should all be added for WRPG's.

>>383589956
SMT has a great combat system.

The press turn system beats any other JRPG out there. The lack of such a system is why combat in Persona sucks.

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>>383592197
Funny enough the best written game of all time isn't even a RPG.

>>383592197
NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer.

>>383592312
I truly don't understand why the journal has so much content in it. It's bizarre. Then again, the whole GAME has so much content in it.

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[feral autistic screeching]

>>383592594
Still more reliable than /v/ will ever be.

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>>383592197
Are there any other RPGs, Japanese or Western with lore as expansive, vast, deep or as all over the place as Trails games?

>>383592854
Literally OP's pic.

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Memes and codex autism aside, what do you think of Numenera?

Me personally, I like this game.

>>383592854
Fallout 1

>>383592236
casual wizardry is still hard senpai, and visually nocturne has one most appealing graphics in a MT game. "Ascetically" is my computer auto correcting my typo for "aesthetically". I never said which game is hardest either. All the games have pretty ample ties to asceticism though.

In my opinion the hardest MT game I've ever played was Raidou 1, and that's mostly because the system mechanics were not very well polished for an action title, especially if you had the balls for King Mode.

>>383592854
PST is what you're looking for.

>>383592854
Planescape torment has way more lore, especially if you consider the entirety of forgotten realms and dnd in general.

>>383592908
I couldn't even finish it. Just stopped playing, thinking that I'll continue later but I never did.

>>383592854
TES, Morrowind in particular.

>>383592907
It's not completely fair. Planescape is a stand-alone setting with a ton of sourcebooks. Same about any D&D game, KotOR, Shadowrun and other pre-existing IPs.

>>383592854
Eh disregard the other posters.
elder scrolls is what you want. You could also try warhammer/40k but not many of those games go deep into the lore.

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>>383586320
wRPGs are literally trash with retarded D&D story. Anyone who has ever read a good book will prefer jRPGs.

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>>383593235
Majority on the right are not even RPG's. I guess pic related is also a RPG by that definition as well. Also
>retarded D&D story
explain? Only Wrpg's that are D&D are BG and IWD

>>383593235
Normally you would be right, but we're talking about Planescape: Torment.

>>383592908
It's mediocre as hell and its disgusting that the developers are banking on Planescape for its success.

>>383592908
Literally worse than Pillars.

>>383593235
Watching some crappy anime and holding a controller while pressing X is about the same experience as the average jrpg. Do not be upset.

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>>383589769
>Is that the one where you can have an entire populated planet as a character in your party?

It is that one. I played it several years ago and it's still surprisingly holds up. And I've experienced almost no bug, if any.

>>383587494
what

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>>383586320

>>383593979
How do I enjoy it?

>>383593235
Im gonna be honest, I absolutely fucking hate the combat that is in the more traditional JRPG like Final Fantasy, except for Bravely Default
Dont know why, but I cant stand it

>>383594083
Use a guide
because the manual is fucking useless

>>383586320
>purple prose everywhere
>dirt aesthetics
>the most abysmal combat in any RPG ever
It's fucking forgotten trash that a vocal minority of autists venerate.

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>>383593605
-The writing in planescape is cringier than shitty self insert genre fiction and *LOOKS* like it was from fanfiction.net -fades into the shadow-
>>383593594
>majority on the right are not even RPG's.
They are.

>>383592854
The only game with more lore than trails games is Planescape Torment, but that's largely because it's connected to Dungeons&Dragons

>>383592956
>>383593164
>>383593186
Planescape Torment, and by extension any game connected to Dungeons&Dragons is the only correct answer.

To put into perspective how ridiculous Trails lore is, it's currently 7 games, pushing onto 8, and aiming for an upwards of 20 games that all directly tie into and build onto eachother and each individual game in the franchise has more dialogue than the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy combined, and a good 70% of the dialogue in each game is exclusively world building, all the way to explaining how the economies work in villages you'll never go to or making things that seemed irrelevant in earlier games a decade ago a major plot point a decade later.
The difference is is that Planescape Torment relies on board games and novels for a lot of its lore whilst Trails lore is all exclusively ingame.

>>383594302
Trash? It is not trash. If you want intense combat...I dont know, go play an action RPG.

>>383587673
This is cringey writing

>>383594309
>they are
Nope
Also if Planescapes writing is so cringey can you explain why?

>>383594309
t. pleb who's never read a decent work of literature in their life

>>383594446
It's trash and crpgs are as dead as Jimmy Hoffa. Good riddance.

>>383594309
>Jrpg
>actual have role-play

I can count on my one (read 1) hand the number of JRPGs with actual role-play involved. You don't play JRPG for role-playing.

>>383590369
LMAO

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>>383594765
>actual role-play
(You)

>>383594309
>unironically using these stupid ms paint images troll images as an argument

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>>383594917
stop playing trash my dude

>>383592197
>>383592854
is Trails really that well-written? I'm a few hours into the first one and it seems super generic JRPG, which is comfy, but there's no interesting characters or lore or story hook or anything

>>383594887
>that fucking article
You know what jrpg was LITERALLY japanese Ultima
THIS GAME >>383593979
This ignorant fuck is why rpgs in general aren't popular

>>383594673
Right, and the Jappo RPGs sure are the most innovative shit ever. Lolis and poor turn based combat!

>>383594765
This. Literally all the games on the JRPG side in those bait pics gives no player freedom aside from the Souls games. You can't choose which stats to level, when you level up the game just adds a number to the values. There's no choice within your part in the game either. You just go along with what the director put down. I can't kill this guy, or ask this one to help me. But of course JRPG's are not just J solely because of their country.

>>383595090
That's basically true though. Only non-traditional JRPGs have you playing an actual role.

>>383595058
The well-written writing starts to become apparent when you get into later games and there's tons of "aha!" moments where stuff that seemed irrelevant in earlier games becomes more relevant, or stuff that seemed confusing or out of place in earlier games suddenly becomes explained. They all layer onto eachother.

>>383594989
Only games on the left that are good are NGB and MH. Rest suck ass, especially when the only high points of them are either the cutscenes (MGS) or the boss fights (Souls).

>>383594309
>-The writing in planescape is cringier than shitty self insert genre fiction and *LOOKS* like it was from fanfiction.net -fades into the shadow-
nigga u must be the god damn master of cringe writing

>>383594887
Is this meant to be defending Jrpg?

>>383587494
Just use the widescreen mod tard

>>383595486
It's a fine example of WRPG fans being utter retards

>>383594989
This is false flagging right?
All of the japanese games are loved whilst the western games are either hated or recognised as having terrible/disappointing boss fights.

>>383595616
can you pls explain to me what ub and ee are because I cannot figure it out

>>383595674
Care to elaborate about what he's wrong about?

>>383587920
Presona is really clinched, yes.

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>>383586320
>>383586320
>Can JRPGs even compete?

Some of them can

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>>383595090
>playing Tales of Xillia
>some idiot betrays my party
>later he returns and party forgives him in two seconds
>this happens two more times with the same character

>>383595986
Dragon Quest is garbage. Also just because CT is popular doesn't mean it isn't god tier.

>>383595902
That CRPG have "evolved" into something not shit and that JRPG apparently haven't changed in decade and don't have "real role-playing" or "strategy", it's an incredibly pretentious article.

>>383596119
haha

you have been baited

>>383596218
He's completely right about the role playing aspect though. JRPG's have no reason to be labeled RPG's at all. Aside from the Souls series I can't actually think of any JRPG's that let me manage my stats or my partys. I also have no choice when it comes to anything in them either story wise or just plain role playing wise. I'm whoever the game decided my character was, I can't define them as anything but else.

>>383596442
>JRPG's that let me manage my stats or my partys
You are so fucking new JRPGs holy shit

>>383596521
It's literally a core component of a RPG there's nothing retarded to expect stat management from one.

>>383596442
You just havent been playing the right jrpgs.
Its just like in the west, all the good rpgs arent often covered in the mainstream and you're less likely to hrar about them overseas. The good ones that do make it over arent covered by msm because our media has a bias against japanese games that arent FF.

>>383586320
There's no good wRPG.

>>383597384
There's no good jRPG

>>383597460
There is no good RPG.

>>383597460
Dark Souls.

>>383597384
Deus Ex.

>>383596442
SMT says hi you dumbshit

>>383597483
There is no good G.

>>383594887
Posting icy, even ironically, is a bad thing

>>383597631
Well that's one, how about some more faggot?

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>>383594309
>using shit games like Fallout 3 and Skyrim as examples

>>383590840
some of the spells were sick as fuck too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKZZEPoVb4c

>>383597761
>SMT
>one

>>383586320

>have played FF1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, 10-2,12,13,15
>played suikoden 1 and 2
> played secret of mana 1 and seiken denestu 3
>played dark cloud
>played breath of fire 1
>played Chrono Trigger
>played persona 5
>played pokemon
>played Live a life
>played dragonball z legend of the super-sajin
>played fire emblem 1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and awakening and fates
>tactics ogre
>romancing saga
>evo search for eden
>secret of evermore
>earthbound

literally not one of them did I have ANY fun in

JRPG is a SHIT genre

>>383596442
T b h you dont really seem like you even want an rpg as much as you just want a tabletop rpg like DND or Shadowrun, which are very specific type of rpg rather than what defines an rpg. Rpg is a very broad subject that can cover many types of gameplay.
Why dont you just go play the actual tabletop games rather than some watered down video game version of them? I guarantee that you will have a much more rich and dynamic experience.

>>383598174
>RPG is a SHIT genre
Fixed

FUCK RPG CODEX!

>>383598268
But anon, playing pen and paper requires going outside and meeting people. It's easier just to shitpost on mongolian imageboard about whose taste is superior.

I'm a few hours into this game and honestly it's fucking boring.
I've spent almost all that time reading the characters' dialogue and 90% of them have nothing interesting to say. After those 5 hours I feel like I've barely made any progress in the game because there's so fucking much to read, but about half of it is irrelevant flavor text (but of course I don't know that until I actually take the time to read it).
The only thing other than reading dialogue is the combat which is the worst combat I've experienced in any game ever.

I'm totally down for a game that's extremely story-focused and is mostly just reading. That's fine. It's just that so much of what there is to go through feels like filler. Should I stick with it? Does it get better? Should I maybe try playing differently? I feel like I'm being too thorough, talking to almost every NPC and examining almost every piece of the environment, but if I'm going in blind I know I'll be missing something important if I start ignoring stuff.

>>383598873
>But anon, playing pen and paper requires going outside and meeting people
I am currently in a tabletop campaign and doing neither of those things.
Rol20 nigga. It's a wonderful thing.

>>383599072
No it stays that way the WHOLE GAME
>wordswordswords
>UPDATED MY JOURNAL

>>383599072
This game is not for you.

>>383598268
No I definitely do want a video game. A RPG with party management. It's been a thing since the 90's. I mean by your definition what the hell is an RPG then?

>>383597384
You're closer to being right than a lot of people. For all the good that WRPGs do, the vast majority of them are very generic. If there's one aspect of WRPGs that typically bores me its how interchangeable things are in general, like you often feel that any sword or spell you get could be replaced by some equivalent that you might get at a shop in another town or from a different quest or by some custom crafting with similarly interchangeable materials, while actually optimizing gear generally requires that you set up your character correctly at the start through pure guesswork. Likewise, your character is typically left undefined, but because the dialog is necessarily limited, this means little for your ability to base your choices around your role or character meaningfully and so you're either a chosen one or a nobody who happens to be in the right place, as opposed to someone with a well defined past that ties into events.

>>383599485
>A RPG with party management
There are so fucking many I can't believe you don't know any.

>>383599485
>I mean by your definition what the hell is an RPG then?
A game in which you play out a role in larger scheme.
Technically, every game ever that involves controlling a character is an rpg.

>>383599720
I do know many, did you even read the post I was replying to?

>>383587920
All the other replies are true, but they're also actually good and somewhat hard on your time through

>>383599212
I'm fine with words words words. I just want them to be interesting words.

>>383599257
I think it is though. I was really interested at first, the Mortuary was pretty cool. But after getting out it's just been a slog through a bunch of characters who are almost exactly the same, and who seem like they're there more to distract you from making progress than to build up the world or provide interesting side quests. I would love the game if there were more substance to it.

Again, as beloved at this game seems to be I'm tempted to stick with it in the hopes it gets interesting again, but I don't know if I want to invest the time.

>>383599639
I found this to be much more apparent in JRPG's. Like I have no impact or control on anything that goes on in the game. Just a giant linear path.

Can anybody in this thread actually give an example of Torments writing that demonstrates its best qualities? Because the only thing I've seen is that "nature of a man" thing which at face value is the kind of thing that philosophy 101 would immediately disregard in the first lesson.

>>383600056
Have you been to the Dusties' bar?

Honestly I just don't understand where you're coming from. Which NPCs? There's a guy who's mourning a dead city, a guy who wants his corpse contract back, a guy who sort-of kind-of wants to commit suicide -- those were interesting to me, at least.

>>383600198
This.

I like SMT for trying to introduce moral conflicts and genuine role playing, but it's still limited. Decisions in Nocturne for example, boil down to agree/disagree, and the game passive-aggressively insults you if you don't go for the True Demon end, regardless of whether or not you think it's morally right.

>>383600295
Yeah I have.
Those are the standout examples yeah, but lots of others I felt like I was just wasting my time talking to. A lot of the robe guys (whatever they're called) all being the same (essentially just gross and somewhat an asshole). Having to talk to a bunch of different people to find the guy you're looking for from the beginning, whatever his name was, made the whole thing feel padded.

I guess my focus on just making progress quickly doesn't suit this game.

>>383600717
For the love of god games will never have the kind of consequences of a pen and paper game.

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>JRPGs are linear and give you no choices
>hey man here are some jrpgs that do just that
>THAT GAME IS SHIT, I WONT TRY IT BUT ITS SHIT. JRPGS ARE SHIT
this thread.

>>383601050
Did you just scroll to the bottom after glossing over 1 or 2 posts? I mean what posts are you even referring to?

>>383600917
>A lot of the robe guys (whatever they're called) all being the same (essentially just gross and somewhat an asshole).
Well yeah, you're not meant to talk to all of them.
>Having to talk to a bunch of different people to find the guy you're looking for from the beginning
You don't have to do this though. You get told "Ragpicker Square" pretty early on.
>I guess my focus on just making progress quickly doesn't suit this game.
Sure it does. You could ignore all the side-quests. I wouldn't, because I like them.

It seems like a lot of this is self-inflicted, anon. Although if you don't like the side-quests I'm not gonna pretend it's somehow all on you.

>>383591540
Germans, ruskies and some other slav countries.

>>383587920
persona is shin megami tensei with anime highschool shit

>>383586320
Has Beamdog added their SJW cancer to EE like they did with the other games?

Of corse not OP.
Planescape Torment invented rpgs. If a game isnt like it, its not an rpg. If a game IS like it, its shit because ot didnt come out during my youth.
Haha fuck jrpgs OP my dude :D

>>383586320
In terms of gameplay, yes, all of them.
>>383601596
You're now Genderless One.

>>383601762
PS:T came out when I was one.

>>383598268
>Have to read multiple rulebooks multiple times and check them constantly.
>Have to do all the maths manually.
>Have to find someone willing to GM or do so yourself.
>Have to get a group together.
>Have to constantly keep the group on track and not doing stupid shit.
>Have to organize a time when everyone can play, and inevitably one or two don't show because something comes up.

I love tabletop games, but Vidya has some distinct advantages in terms of ease of access and convenience.

Is this game as good as Arcanum? Finished it for the first time yesterday, it was my first isometric cRPG, and it was a masterpiece. Looking for more things like it.

>>383602119
Tabletop rpgs are for kids who nothing better to. Its the only way they can work

>>383602616
I have never played Arcanum, but I'll say this game's strength is its story and non-combat (not necessarily non-violent) solutions, and its weakness is combat.

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>>383594309
The Sphere Grid from FFX is one of the most shallow leveling systems ever, it's just a roundabout job system.

That image is awful bait.

>>383603117
Is the combat turn based or real time? I didn't mind it in Arcanum since it was real time and pretty easy meaning it didn't consume much time.

>>383603694
Realtime with pause.

>>383603694
It's real time

>>383591193

Drakengard was great, though.

>>383603907
It is, it's just really clunky due to how low it's budget was.

>>383589769
Actually neither are RPGs, but the Western games like PS:T actually try to imitate roleplaying.

>>383600056
I think the point of a lot of the NPC characters is an opportunity to define your own character through conversation with them. Other games like Torment: Tides make this a little more explicit by adding alignment or affiliation systems that shift according to your choices in conversation.

TL:DR They're not there to build up the world, but to build up you.

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>>383604107
How is Planescape not an RPG?

>>383602616
fallout 1 and 2. Same guy who made Arcanum.

>>383592474
That's just PS:T shoehorned into being a sequel to the most generic crap game ever.

jrpg players are the flat earthers of the video game world.

>>383604468
It's not really roleplaying; you have no impact on the direction of the story. And Torment's fairly linear in progression as well.

Similarly, if your DM railroads you hard in a P&P game, he's effectively taking the roleplaying out of the roleplaying game.

>>383592470
My man.

>>383604276
ps t does alignment too

>>383587920
Presona is good and clinched.

>>383598316
Don't lie to yourself, bg2 is glorious

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>>383586320
The truth is, having played a lot of cRPGs and jRPGs, I find that even though the cRPGs have generally a better and engrossing story, I had more FUN and emotional attachment in jRPGs games.

You can enjoy both really, they have "RPG" in their names, but they are very different kinds of games. No reason to compare, because from the get go they have different objectives.

>>383586320
By not having the worst gameplay ever.

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>>383586320
You will never cry playing a cRPG, can't say the same for jRPGs.

>>383593235
>RETARDED LITErALLY TRASH RETARDED LITERALLY LITERAL RETARDED LITERALLY
jesus christ you obnoxious faggots could not have a more annoying way of typing arguments, not to mention you have no fucking clue what youre talking about

>>383594887
Counter argument: Nocturne unlike WRPGs is occasionally fun.

>>383607174
I cried during Planescape and LISA a lot, characters were really well written.

>>383607023
90% of JRPGs have garbage gameplay, though.

>>383607303
Counter argument: Fallout 2 unlike JRPG's is somewhat fun

>>383588036
>I've

>>383586320
by having actual gameplay

Finishing a CRPG is like finishing a good book, finishing a JRPG is like parting with a friend.

>>383589679
How do you figure? It's a metroidvania RPG that plays like Monster Hunter and has a heavy emphasis on boss fights.

>>383608561
>and has a heavy emphasis on boss fights.
You mean environmental exploration.