Fantasy or Science Fiction?

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the greatest story in gaming is sci-fi so i'll go with that

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scifi have so many BAD successful examples on movie/tv that people's perception is just warped now

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>>383569767
Both

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Both, but without gay shit like elves.
Make them space elves.

>>383570230
The original Isekai.

>>383570370
Thomas Covenant was 1977

>>383570304
Elves aren't gay.

Little hairy men living in caves are gay.

>>383569767
Science Fiction

>>383569767
Science Fiction when its done well.
If its done poorly, fantasy.
Poorly written fantasy>poorly written sci-fi

All fantasy is just lord of the rings knock offs.
This is objective truth. Prove me wrong.

Alternative history science fiction like Nazis winning the war or communism in America

japanese mechs are ridiculous

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>>383570692
?

inb4 nuh uh it's sci fi because of the last 2 minutes of the game

>>383570774
That's why they're good

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>>383570774
That's the whole point, it's meant to be aesthetic.

There are no such things as "realistic mechs", you would build warships. "realistic" and "mechs" don't really belong in the same sentence. Realistic mechs would basically be slightly more mobile tanks or flying tanks.

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I love scifi but mechas are stupid. Only works when blended with fantasy senarios like Xenogears.

>>383570004
Shut up Carl Jung

t. Xenogears fan

>>383569767
Science Fantasy

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>EVA
>Mecha

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>>383571262
this, you can have mechs that are more believable but not realistic.
t./m/anly fellow

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science fantasy

>Eva 01
>mecha
0/10 image

Ripped off DVA from Overwatch

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>>383571691
Ah, you too are a /m/an of culture.

>>383569767
Science Fantasy wins baybee

Cybuster is my favorite mecha

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mecha

If mechs are so good, why has there never been a good game besides Mechwarrior 2?

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>>383569767
>evangelion
>mecha

>>383570692
Lord of the Rings is just a knock off collection of European folklore tales and myths, which in turn are just knock offs of reality.

>>383571262
but this looks like shit
retarded weeb

I want to get in the fucking robot

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>>383570774
The foundation of "realistic" Western mechs that everybody parades around like the holy grail comes from Japan too, pal. Battletech and Mechwarrior stole countless designs from Macross.

>>383572082
delusion - the post

>>383572082
Yeah, and Japan's culture was pieced together using castoffs from Europe and China. What's your point?

>>383572082
japs just add shitty aesthetics, ridiculous swords and faggy teenagers to pilot them

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>>383572140
You're retarded. The initial designs were so blatantly stolen that they had to be removed, named the "unseen designs" and changed just enough to avoid copyright infringement.

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>>383569767
Weird mix of both.

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>>383571826
>that full 3D movement
>the stomping steps if you move while firing
>Defense Matrix's visuals
>ultimate is a nuke that does so much damage that the only thing that can survive its damage directly is a full health ulting Winston, but it still drops him from 1000 to 5.
I think within the confines of keeping her and her mech reasonably within the same size range and feeling of the other characters, they did pretty well with making it feel like you're piloting a mech. It's part of why I like her so much.

>>383569767

>Evangelion
>Mecha

They're magic

>>383571727
PSO is entirely sci-fi though. Only Phantasy Star 1 has genuine fantasy elements.

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>>383572082
>>383572140
>>383572256
>MUH REALISTIC WESTERN MECHS, WE WUZ ORIGINAL AND SHIET

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>>383570774
yea I agree

>>383570571
Yeah fuck dwarves

>>383572295
any porn with her in that v pose?
I'll be very disappointed in the internet if there isn't

>>383572376
Ho ho, I bet that gets posted around shitholes like Gamefaqs and people are all like "yeah I agree with this (totally not reverse bait) image!"

>>383572351
cherrypicking - the post

>>383569767
I like both of them. I lean to fantasy because there's less fun mecha rpg these days.

>>383572465
it works quite well because no one plays airmech

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>>383572489
You want me to keep going? There are several of these images.

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>>383572376
>"Western Robot" is from a Japanese anime

K E K

Anon, look at the UN Spacy insignia, it's from Dimensional Fortress Macross.

>>383572082
delusion
>>383572351
>>383572256
cherrypicking
>>383572376
bait

thats three strikes

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>>383570004
I hate to say this, but first post best post.

It's more like sci-fantasy though, but thematically is still sci-fi

Fantasy is usually character driven, with simple save the world stories and a fixed morality, with an uninspired setting, even if it has tons of lore. LOTR's influence is just too big, so weirder stuff like the Planescape campaigns are rare.

Good Sci-fi relies on the point, the message. It's usually story-driven, with a relatively grounded setting that sometimes doesn't even need to be futuristic. All it needs is a recognizable world and society, with a twist, the element that makes it different from our own, what makes it fiction and is used as the starting point to say something of interest.
It's not enough to make laser guns and a dystopian world. What makes it relevant is what you make with it, the themes that comunicate a meaningful message for the audience to think upon. Something that fantasy (and to be fair, most current mainstream sci-fi) very rarely has, and even when it does, the themes are usually very shallow and uninteresting.

>>383570157
Also this.

>>383572542
christ this looks bad

>>383572014
Vanguard Bandits

>evangelion
>not a true mecha like VOTOMS or even fucking Gundam

Ugh

>>383572568
If it looks western, it must be made by westerners. Just like Dark Souls!

sci fi sequel when?

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So what you gonna pilot when this alien comes in and breaks your action figure?

>>383572542
you mean there's several instances of people cherrypicking copied mech designs while ignoring original mech designs?
Fascinating.... yeah you can keep going, but it wont ever be more than confirmation bias and cherrypicking

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>>383572621

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>>383572579
>The Westcuck's mind has been so shattered by this piece of news that he's posting garbage

>>383569767
Science Fantasy, Star Wars is dope

>>383572568
>>383572619
>Mfw just realised I got baited

Fug. Also, it took me 38 fucking captchas to post, what has Hiromoot done to 4chan?

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>>383572650
Lmao, these stolen designs have been known about for nearly three decades by both Battletech and Mechwarrior fans.

How does it feel knowing what you've been praising all the this time is Japanese designs?

>>383572748
use legacy captcha

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What would a "realistic" mech look like? So that it wouldn't be just a worse tank.

>>383572849

>>383572748
Captcha is mental. Click all cars there are no cars so I just click a manhole and it counts.

>>383572849
an armored core with tank legs

>>383572849
this>>383572868

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>>383569767
I like both equally, but am a bit pickier when it comes to SciFi.

>>383572849

there's no such thing as a mech that isn't just a shitty tank

>>383572821
Fucking rad, thanks.

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>>383572685
>Someone knows the difference between sci-fi and science fantasy
Amen, Science Fantasy is by far the best.

>>383572849
Doesn't exist

The only possible uses for mechs aren't as tank substitutes

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>>383569767
both

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>>383572082
>>383572256
>>383572351
>>383572376
>>383572542
>japanese invented mechs
>making something popular = inventing it
Jeez. Pic related courtesy from H.G. Wells(1897). You might recognize that tripod from original japanese games such as Earth Defense Force 4.1 (2015)

Oh its piloted mechs you wanna talk about? Lets talk about Galactic Patrol(1950) or the battle suits in Starship Troopers(1958), etc etc.

>>383571597
eva counts as mecha anon, the evas may not technically be mecha, but eva counts as mecha

>>383573057
Tripods will never not look dope.

>>383572769
>How does it feel knowing what you've been praising all the this time is Japanese designs?
>implying I ever gave a shit about battletech or mechwarrior
you see thats the problem with you. you're obviously butthurt about a specific instance. An instance most of us dont care about.

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>>383573057
>I am retarded

Nowhere did I state Japan invented mechs. I said Japan's designs are the entire foundation for the current day "realistic mechs" everybody wanks off over.

>>383573128
You clearly do care when you said Japanese mechs are dumb, specifically referring to what they create compared to the West.

Whatever, I'm just gonna keep posting these.

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>>383572681
Don't bother, they still want to live in a fantasy world where Japanese mechs are all Gundam Wing and Evangelion and the west has a unique identity full of practical down to earth designs. They are the height of delusion.

>>383573128

name some foundational western mech designs that aren't related to battletech

What series combine the two? As in Magic stuff in a sci-fi setting

>>383573226
>They turned my favourite Macross mech into that abomination on the right

God damnit.

>>383573294
Xenoblade
Actually, any Xeno game
Basically most of the Final Fantasy games
Star Wars
Warhammer 40k

>>383573226
seems like you're an insecure faggot weeb, that's all there is to it

>>383573294

all sci-fi is magic anon

>>383572581
>writing all this in a shitposting thread
I feel bad for you anon, maybe one day we'll have a real thread on this subject

>>383573294
Escaflone?

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>>383573294
Depends, does it still count as magic if it has a pseudo-scientific in-universe explanation?

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>>383573374
Whatever, Westcuck.

>>383569767
Fantasy. I don't like mechas.

>>383573395
>a pseudo-scientific in-universe explanation

that's practically the definition of scifi

Fantasy mecha is the most baller shit out there.

>>383573294
>>383573375
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

>>383573294
Kiseki games

Some Tales Of games, the main theme of Phantasia is that magic tech is killing the world because there isn't enough mana to keep powering the technology humans keep building

>>383573226
>I said Japan's designs are the entire foundation for the current day "realistic mechs" everybody wanks off over.
Which is not true though. If you're gonna make a bipedal giant robot that doesnt look like ultraman, then you're necessarily have similarities. Especially in a genre such as sci-fi.
>>383573226
>You clearly do care when you said Japanese mechs are dumb
I never said that though, but sure... Which is why you post plagiarized shit from the 80's because its the only instance you have for generalizing your point, which you then extent to "it walks on two legs and looks realistic? well its obviously influenced by battletech which was plagiarized from japan"
Yeah keep posting this, but it doesn't proof the point you want to make. It just proofs that battletech stole designs. You dont even know your own arguments.
>I am retarded
Ad hominem because you get btfo? come on man

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>>383573379
I tried anon... at least I tried.

>>383573294
Other than the Xeno series, the first Nier is a great example, definitely one of the best.

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>>383573567
>Which is not true
>Battletech, Robots and Mechwarrior are the fucking foundations for mech designs in the West, two of which stop designs from Macross and the other IS Macross

You're not worth responding to, you're a fucking retard.

>>383573245
>name some foundational western mech designs that aren't related to battletech

no like, could someone do this. i'm drawing a blank but i'm also not huge on mecha

>>383573567
>then you're necessarily have similarities

Literally the same designs? In the same pose even? With the same armor and weapons?

>>383573632
*Robotech
*Stole

Fucking spell check

>>383573306
>gay nip shit
I take "shit that never happened" for $400 alex.
When you have to make up arguments to have a point, then its probably time to stop posting

>>383573641
I mean, someone did mention the original Starship Trooper's novel but that's more power armour than a mech.

>>383569767
Scifi if its done right, in most cases I prefer fantasy though. Its so much easier to create a decent fantasy setting because you can just bullshit everything with magic. Good scifi has to be somewhat convincing which requires extensive knowledge in both science and engineering, this also has to be done while keeping in mind the aesthetics and story.

>>383573567
>T-THEYRE JUST SIMILAR
>Literally the same designs down to the poses

you're fucking dumb as shit

Scifi, always
Magic is gay

>>383573710
can't you read dumb weeb?

>>383573632
They've made the fantasy into actually working battle machines. Nobody cares about "mechas" working on space magic.

>>383573632
>gets btfo with evidence and critical thinking
>b-but b-battletech
>there are more than enough western mechs that aren't battle-
>BATTLETECH!!!
jesus nigga

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>>383573687
The funny thing is, Japan had more respect for Starship Troopers than the West. Even making a lore friendly anime using all the original designs as a tribute of respect when Heinlein died.

>>383573687

since i can't even say how those look i'm not convinced they were all that influential when it comes to visual design

>>383573801
You didn't fucking name any, you just said "hurr they're just kind of similar! Ignore they're blatantly stolen!"

>>383573806
>chink copycat
Sad!

>>383573806
That OVA will always be one of the greatest experiences ever.

Not to diminish the western movie which was a fun little thing, the OVA was a proper tribute to the book.

>>383573710
>>383573657
Reading comprehension?

>>383573817
>>383573806

well, not that influencial in the west anyway...

>>383573801
>there are more than enough western mechs that aren't battlech

Like what?

>>383573801
No dude, literally all modern Western mechs derive from Battletech and Mechwarrior. If they're not imitated, comic book artists just take shit like Gaogaigar or Gurren Lagann and randomly throw them into panels.

>>383573870
>Macross
>1982
>Battletech
>1984

I don't understand what point you are trying to make.

>>383573439
Then almost none.

Dunbine's magic is "Aura", but it is a natural phenomena that all living things produce, it just so happens that it's far easier to discover in Byston Well than in our world. The Aura is converted into energy via the Aura converter which has it's own explanation. They have aura conversion ratios, peak operating potential, all that shit. It's all explained with in-universe pseudo-science. Esclaflowne, is the same way.

Galiant has no magic just future technology masquerading as magic, same goes with Xeno and FSS.

>>383569767
A nice mix of both is always nice

Kinda like bioshock or like mass effect

>>383569767
Sci-fi is more interesting because some settings could be real in near future. And 99% of fantasy games are Tolkien ripoffs which is boring as fuck.

>>383569767
both

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>>383573838
I never ever said that you idiot. Nobody is refuting that battletech stole mech designs.
but if you seriously think battletech and mechwarrior are the foundation of western mechs, both us and eu, just because they have generic similarities such as walking on two legs and using guns, then you're a huge fucking retard mate.

>>383573870
You mean what you lack?

>Don't name any other western influences for mechs
>Say there are others anyway
>B-battletech doesn't matter!

End yourself, you don't know fucking shit

>>383569767
I'm gonna write a bestselling book about elves and dwarves getting fucked by aliens.

Screenshot this.

>>383569767
both, Visions of escaflown!

>>383573892
>Like what?

i'm starting to think there aren't any

>>383573974
>battletech again
So no reading comprehension at all. The original post was referencing modern mechs not battletech you moron

>>383570674

Incorrect.

Poorly written fantasy = generic and boring.
Poorly written sci fi = so stupid its funny.

But all fantasy is generic and boring by default, so when it's poorly written, it's EVEN worse.

>>383574014
>but if you seriously think battletech and mechwarrior are the foundation of western mechs, both us and eu, just because they have generic similarities such as walking on two legs and using guns, then you're a huge fucking retard mate

But it is? The only other designs are transformers.

why not both
https://youtu.be/vwaOO-xNYnc?t=1m16s

>>383574072
You've never started to think, so don't pretend that you do now.

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Historical entities finding themselves in modern settings will forever remain the best.

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>>383572581
>Fantasy is usually character driven, with simple save the world stories and a fixed morality

>>383574120
That's goosebumps level setting though
Nothing wrong with goosebumps, but it's not particularly enticing after a while

>>383574154
>usually

i have a hard time disagreeing with him m8

>>383574106
No it isn't. Again, if you honestly think that Battletech influenced all western mech designs then you're simply a retard.
And as said, you'd probably scream battletech at every western mech walking on two legs you'd see, which is ridiculous.

>>383574014
Oh my God you're serious, fucking hell I thought you were baiting but this is just sad.

Nearly every single Western design for mechs in the past thirty years take influence from Macross and Armored Trooper Votoms. Battletech? Macross. Mechwarrior? Macross. Heavy Gear? Armored Trooper Votoms. What do modern day Western designs take influence from? The above mentioned series. Your outlying shitty tripod from War of the Worlds has ZERO relevance to today's designs.

Every modern design is a boxy, slow moving walking machine that's trying to be grounded in real world physics. You'd know this if you had even a passing interest in mech/s as a whole.

Now do everybody a favour and shit the fuck up, you're an embarrassment.

>>383574113
>Still can't name a single Western mecha series outside of Battletech or MechWarrior

I'll help. There is Hawken, which is inspired by Battletech. There is Titanfall, which is different, it's more Gundam-ish.

>>383574327
In what way Titanfall is more gundamish

>>383574298
>I'm a mech expert

lmao kill yourself weeb

>>383574235
Until you actually name another series beyond the fabled three in the West, nobody is going to take you seriously. You're just a faggot spouting nonsense.

>plebs are fine with orcs and magic
>but think piloted robots are too unrealistic

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>>383573245
40k
Metropolis
Star Wars
Starship Troopers
War of the Worlds

>>383570004
it is also religious themed.

>>383574235
>And as said, you'd probably scream battletech at every western mech walking on two legs you'd see, which is ridiculous

But I'm ASKING YOU to tell me what other Western Mechs there are. You can't name a single one.

>>383573294
>As in Magic stuff in a sci-fi setting
Fantasy and sci-fi are like oil and water. If it appears technical, its sci-fantasy like star wars.
Sometimes you get a fluke and a character that is primarily seated in fantasy(vampires) shit out Blade.

>>383574391

that's pretty dire

>>383569767
I'm a fond admirer of made from household items technology

>>383574391
40K concept artists were directly influenced by Battletech, this is a known fact.

Starship Troopers is power armor, not mechs.

War of the Worlds has no relevance to the past three decades of designs.

So Star Wars and Metropolis, that's it.

>>383574445
>gets told
>t-t-t-than doesn't c-c-count

>>383574298
>Nearly every single Western design for mechs in the past thirty years take influence from Macross and Armored Trooper Votoms
And let me guess, the grounds of you saying this are generic elements such as
>walks on two legs
>has guns
prove me wrong that your thoughts go beyond the most superficial nonsense.

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sci-fi is ____shit
fantasy is superior

>>383574359
They are more humanoid-shaped and with conventional limbs, which is why I used "ish" since they aren't a full humanoid design due to not having a head. Not saying it's based on Gundam, just using it for comparison.

>>383572014
Armored Core: 4 Answer, baby.

>>383574496

i was just curious dude. you should chill.

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>>383569767
Ill show you peasant OP

>>383574391
>Walkers are mechs now
Also AT-ATs were inspired by tripods iirc

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>>383570872
The Game takes place on giant mechs, the antagonists are mechs and you're using guns and lightsabers as you main weapons.

Are you by chance a little dumb?

>>383569767
>mecha
>science fiction
Good one.

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>this thread

>>383574557
How are mechas not scifi?

>In the mid 1980s, Harmony Gold hired Carl Macek to adapt Japanese animated programming for American broadcast release. Macek originally wanted to adapt The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, but was instead forced to combine three different anime series together, which became named Robotech:
>1. The Super Dimension Fortress Macross
>2. Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross
>3 .Genesis Climber MOSPEADA
>Harmony Gold's cited reasoning for combining these unrelated series was its decision to market Macross for American weekday syndication television, which required a minimum of 65 episodes at the time (thirteen weeks at five episodes per week). Macross and the two other series each had fewer episodes than required, since they originally aired in Japan as weekly series. The production was successful enough to merit a movie and a spin-off, Robotech II: The Sentinels. Due to unforeseen economic circumstances, production was cancelled.

>Most notably, many early designs used in Battletech, such as the Warhammer, Valkyrie, and Marauder, were licensed directly from the Japanese producers of Macross, with the overlapping rights mistake not being realized for nearly a decade. Harmony Gold sued FASA, and as a result these designs were removed from the game. Fan outcry over 'The Unseen' has led to multiple attempts to negotiate deals allowing for resumed use of the designs, but despite in one case a sourcebook going to press before being abruptly pulled, no deal has ever been reached. As a result of the failed negotiations, the producers of Battletech ruled that any designs not developed in house would no longer be used in order to avoid future issues.

What the fuck are retards in this thread arguing about?

Magical Mechs.

>>383574553

if you give an AT-ST a big swinging dick it's a tripod

think about it

>>383574503
Name five Western series with mechs as a primary focus in the last three decades that don't have the following.

>Designs that are intended to be "realistic" such as slow movement or long reloads
>Gritty aesthetic, rusty war machines walking along barren wastelands with grey skies as far as the eye can see

>>383569767
Its more about whether its high or low for me, high fantasy and stuff like space opera dont appeal to me as much as stuff like conan-esque sword and sorcery or cyberpunk.

>>383574586
>What the fuck are retards in this thread arguing about?
that battletech isn't the foundation of every mech ever conceived in the west, just because they also walk on two legs

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>>383569767
There can be fuckrobots in either, so it's all about that sweet flavor

>>383574391
>vehicles and power armor

Kek. They are original designs, definitely, but do they count as mechs?

>>383574503
You talk about "all these unique Western mech designs that weebs like us pass off as clones" but you still have failed to name even a single one. Is naming them really so hard? Titanfall, Pacific Rim, Steel Batallion, HAWKEN. There, was that so hard?

>>383569767
I'm pretty certain a that they had to do just a BIT of magic to get those Evangelions to move and all. I mean, science is good, but imbuing the lifeless flesh golem wrapped in armor with a soul? That's Jew magic, literally.

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>>383572568
>UN Spacy
I will never not think that that's a fucking stupid, retarded name for a military branch.

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>>383574615
>think about it

>>383574586

it's mostly just one dude doing "nu-uh" level trolling

i'm disappointed, i thought he'd at least pretend to have arguments

>>383574583
Mechas are Science Fantasy.
And it is not bad thing.

>>383574672
It isn't just walking on two legs you FUCK Ng simpleton. Have you played ANY mech based game in the West? They're all slow moving glorified tanks using the same boxy bipedal designs with weapons strapped to their core frames. It's the same shit over and over and it's all from the 80s adaptions of Macross designs.

>>383574656
Wow! Thanks for proving me right with literally the first reply!

>"realistic" aka slower machine movement is trademarked by battletech
>rusty aesthetics are trademarked by battletech
I knew you didn't have an argument but I didnt know I hit bullseye

>>383574763
It's called soft sci-fi

>>383574615
Literally an AT-AP (except it is an actual leg)

>>383574693
Steel Battalion is Japanese.

>>383574706
It's not even the worst yet.

Frontier and Delta take place in the future and have the New UN Spacy, their mechs have the fucking acronym NUNS on them.

scifi > fantasy but mechs are just retarded

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>>383573371
>Star Wars
>sci-fi

near future > fantasy > getting in the fucking robot

>>383574778
Are your retarded? I asked you a simple question, and the fact that you avoided it screams a lot about your stupid argument. The fact that you can't name a single Western mech series that avoids those two simple tropes says a fucking lot, it really does.

Kill yourself.

>>383574779
You call it that, nobody else does

>>383574840
>Magic stuff in a scifi setting
He isn't wrong tho

>>383574796

NOT
CANON

is what i wanted to say to fuck with eu-fags but apparently it's in ep3

>>383572849
Probably a quadruped with simple, passive-reflex legs and one motor for each, that performs some sort of function a tank can't do, like avoid mines and have a smaller footprint and such and have good traction in low-gravity environments.

The only time you'll see mecha as a frontline fighting machine is if it were cheaper to just make mecha instead of making specialized tanks for grounded high-gravity fighting (which is what Earth is. Earth's gravity is really fucking strong for its size.).

So basically no mechs until at least we have conflict on Mars.

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>>383573806
>Not posting the real one someone built
Not only does it fit the metal gorilla description from the book the design is practical and can actually be built and worn and the man inside can still move. It still stands as probably the best fully armored suit power armor design in terms of functionality and plausibility. Because unlike the shit from 40k, fallout or Ironman this thing's joints are actually designed to move with a person inside them, and it works when constructed with metal instead of bendy compressible foam rubber which is the only material those other designs would work in mechanically because they almost never plan out things like articulation with a human inside for some reason.

>>383574778
>Can't name a SINGLE Western series that avoids basic concepts
>Meanwhile Japan has super robots, magic mechs, realistic mechs, steampunk mechs etc. all in varying settings from post-apocalypse to fantasy such as Escaflowne, to hard realism like Patlabor.

Lmao

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>tfw you like military scifi real robots and magic-powered fantasy mecha

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>>383574769
>It isn't just walking on two legs
>using the same boxy bipedal designs
???
Also
>>383574503
>walks on two legs
>has guns
your post
>ITS STOLEN BECAUSE IT WALKS ON TWO LEGS AND HAS GUNS!
Seriously, now lets calm your autism for a second and think about this: design a mech in your head. Try to disregard everything you've ever seen but focus on western military design and culture.
The design you come up with most likely has one generic element you can trace back to some design already in existence.
Camoflage for example
>BATTLETECH DID CAMO! STOLEN FROM MACROSS!!!
Or weapon systems
>BATTLETECH DID IT ALSO BY STEALING
And the classic, walking on two legs
>BATTLETECH REEEEEEEEEEE
As you can see, just becaue Battletech incorporated, or more accurately, stole some very generic elements. Doesn't mean that every occurence of said elements is attributable to battletech.
Its like saying 4chan invented food analogies.

>>383575005
>mfw fucking Valvrave's mechs powered by rape, autism and cute boys biting each other

What a fucking awful show.

he's so angry

>>383574915
Why don't you disneyfags Accept that people want to enjoy what was good of the hononary canon instead of the shitfest that is the nu-eu that is sadly canon?

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>>383574615
NO
BATTLE DROIDS ONRY
Maybe could work something with an AT-AT in a picture... big maybe...

>>383575005
>Can't name a SINGLE Western series that avoids basic concepts
>continues to list mechs composed of basic concepts with gimmicks on top of them
woah

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>>383570774

>>383575145

man i don't have a dog in this fight, i just like watching the fur fly

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>>383569767
>mid-tier
Fantasy
>high tier
Sci-Fi
>elder god tier
Fantasy Sci-Fi
Loved me some Shadowrun growing up

Fantasy has tits more often

>>383574880
>The fact that you can't name a single Western mech series that avoids those two simple tropes
The matter never was to avoid tropes. The matter is that you're so stupid as to take those tropes and put them as 1:1 battletech references.

>ad hominem again
if you can't handle being wrong then you shouldn't be on the internet

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>>383575181

lol

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>>383575181
That's good.

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>>383572849
You posted one.
Shit that is bigger than something like a tachicoma is unfeasible as a legged system.

>>383575272

you're watching the wrong sci-fi

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>>383575181
pretty terrible bait imho
might fool some redditors

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>>383573124
Those fuckers were horrifying in the Tom Cruise movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtM3UTktVWI

>>383575251
Ooh so you are just that guy who throws the rock and watches the bloodshed?
I like that

>>383575181
accurate

>>383575394
Sometimes anon, occasionally, people tell jokes and they're not baiting.

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>>383575157
Sure, these ones are a mixture of humanoid and steampunk, their internal workings are literally just gears and cables and are controlled like a puppet from the person inside. Also designed to look like European knights.

>>383575078
>>383575157
>Western mechs aren't all just slow moving bipedal tanks!
>Those Japanese mechs aren't different, they're just gimmicks

So which is it? What do you define as different, because so far all I'm getting is a confusing double argument from a retard who thinks he knows anything about mechs.

>>383574897
You're either new to sci-fi or delusional if this is the first time you've heard about "sci-fi hardness"

>>383575437
jokes have punchlines

>>383575394
look at the replies. people are so butthurt they''re on automode already

>>383575443
Don't bother dude, he's a fucking retard.

He'll say some shit about how those mechs are exactly the same as Western bipedal tanks.

>>383575078
>Battletech only took generic elements

So generic elements are ENTIRE FUCKING DESIGNS now are they?

>>383574763
Wrong, Mechas are just scifi. Nothing fantasy about it, it's literal science fiction.

>inb4 japanese wonder mechas that shoot kamehamehas and have ninja swords
I'm obviously not talking about those.

>>383575614
>Mechs aren't fantasy if you ignore fantasy mechs

Really fires my neurons, pal.

>>383575614

all scifi is magic anon

Official tier list:
>Hard Sci Fi
>High fantasy
>Science Fantasy
>50's science Fiction
>Low Fantasy
>Other forms of "soft" sci fi

>>383575614
I mean, it sort of depends. You have the magic mechs and steampunk mechs and in some cases, literal toy mechs.

And then of course the conventional sci-fi ones powered by fuel or electricity or nuclear energy.

>>383575680
From best to worst or what?

>>383575452
>>Western mechs aren't all just slow moving bipedal tanks!
Nice reading comprehension. I never said that.
The point is, once again, that just because creators think their mech moves slowly due to its weight, isn't a reference to battletech ot macross.

The biggest joke here, is that you think I disagree with you on the fundamentals of Japan inventing mechs. I dont. Japan obviously did it first and continues to do it first.
But even japanese mechs, who are trying very hard to be creative, have most common design fundamentals such as walking on two legs more often than not, because its simply a standard design.
So attributing every mech that walks on two legs in the west as a rip-off or "must've been influenced by Battletech" is ridiculous.
You're not calling everything that moves in our cities a rip-off because it uses wheels either

>>383575717
Top is best, bottom is worst.

>>383575497
>reading comprehension
>none

>>383575680
>hating on low fantasy

baka senpai

>>383575475
So how have you gone your entire life without one?

>>383575653
>even the not!fantasy mechas are still fantasy
really nails my savior

>>383575676
Not really

>>383575653
>>383575676
there's a difference between sci fi and weeb sci fi magic retardation

>>383575680
What makes soft scifi and scifantasy diferent tho?

>>383575842

scifantasy is more honest

>>383575443
>dude lets make a regular mech and give it a sword
>but lets say its just gears and cables on the inside for shits n giggles
>then how does it actually move
>magic lmao

>>383575842
"Soft" sci-fi still has some retention in science as we know it. It's very weak though.

Science Fantasy is basically LoTOR or any form of fantasy IN SPAAAAAACCCEEE!!! and with robots.

>>383575680
>>Hard Sci Fi
>>High fantasy
>>Science Fantasy
>>50's science Fiction
>>Low Fantasy
>>Other forms of "soft" sci fi
The fact that there's even technical terms for them makes it more autistic. What's the difference between high and low fantasy? One has a kid with magic and the other is literally narnia? This is on some /tv/ autist shit.

>>383575731
You keep focusing on walking two legs when I've never once brought it up, and now you're saying you agree with me on what I've been arguing this entire thread. What the fuck?

>>383575961
>ooga booga it's bad to have specific terms to understand specifi concepts

>>383575939
>but lets say its just gears and cables on the inside for shits n giggles

It's all in the show, it's shown as well.

>>383575939
>then how does it actually move

Steam pressure, when it runs out the cables lose tension and it becomes immobile.

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>>383570004
Evangelion x G-Gundam: The jRPG

It was one wild ride.

>>383575939
The anime frequently shows the internals moving and how the cockpit works, it goes to great depth to show the suit is a giant puppet.

>>383575961
>High Fantasy
LoTR.

>Low Fantasy
Regular world with slight modifications of magic.

>>383575987
>when I've never once brought it up
>Western mechs aren't all just slow moving bipedal tanks!
>they're all slow moving glorified tanks using the same boxy bipedal designs
???
>you're saying you agree with me on what I've been arguing this entire thread
So you admit that just because a mech is bipedal and and uses a gun, doesnt mean that its based on battletech?
Well finally...

>>383575961

high fantasy has a lot of magic. flying cities, elves and dwarves all over the place, etc etc.

low magic is the opposite, magic is very rare and most are mundane. knights and kings rule the world, not gods and wizards.

>>383576029
>having detailed terms to differentiate even the smallest change
That's autistic. It's like that /mu/ chart with 100s of different sub genres of rock/metal.

>>383575961
I would guess the difference is if theres a myth that your world is inside the eye of a blue eyed giant, but you have dragons its low, and if the world actually does take place inside a blue eyed giant its high.

>>383575842
Sci-fantasy: The Force is a mystical energy field
Soft sci-fi: Nanomachines son

>>383576040
>>383576056
>Steam pressure, when it runs out the cables lose tension and it becomes immobile.
actually meaning
>magic and because we can :^)
showing ridiculous nonsense in detail doesn't make it less ridiculous.
Japan is best when it focuses on Votoms and the likes. Escanose is literally the cancer killing mechs

>>383576167

you're more at the point of objecting at differentiating between jazz and rock & roll

>>383576097
Bipedal is a redundant word when talking about mechs. It's not a mech if it's not walking. The fact that you got hung up on that is crazy.

>not both
>missing out on a chance to call smartphones 'extraordinary wizarding slates'

>>383572581
So what was the message of the "foundation" saga?

>>383576240

mecha can have more than two legs fucktard

>>383576167
The difference between high and low fantasy isn't a small change.

>>383573051
My Wild Arms man.

>>383576167
There is a lot of difference between them
>Hard Sci-fi
Has all claims based in some form of science. Not proven but not out of the realms of imagination either
>High Fantasy
Magic everywhere nigga
>Science Fantasy
Hight Fantasy but in the future
>Low Fantasy
Magic is some places nigga
>Soft Sci-fi
Uses some scientific concepts, ignores a lot too.

>>383576207
It's not magic. There's an explanation for it based on science. It's just that in real life we haven't achieved that level of science yet. That doesn't make it magic.
>inb4 generalization memes
waste of time

>>383575961
>settings have developed over decades
>there are so many works in different forms of media, people have started to distinguish them further because Star Wars have a different feel to it than Solaris and LotR is not as grounded as low fantasy novels, in which magic creatures and magic may exist, but not as prevalent or a start to feel like myths
>LMAO WHY DO THESE AUTISTIC TERMS EXIST
t. I just discovered sci-fi and fantasy and think my opinion matters

>>383576286
No shit genius, but guess how many go for two legs.

>>383576207
>It's not different because I said so!
Kill yourself. Steampunk mechs running on cables and pullies are rate as fuck.

>>383576207
It's literally one anime from many years ago, anon, no need to get triggered. There are tons of more "realistic" mech anime.

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>>383571838
What's up my fellow gentle/m/en

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>>383569767
Science Fantasy

>>383573051

Outlaw Star had the coolest setting.

>>383570370
>>383570423
More like the original gritty reconstruction of Isekai.

>>383576403
Whats the difference between low, and medieval?

So let me get this straight, there's somebody in here arguing that 90% of Western mechs aren't all the fucking same because of minute differences, then has the balls to say Escaflowne isn't different when it's a literal steampunk fantasy mech running on the soul of a dragon?

You're all being baited horribly, you know that right?

>>383576207
Series that aired 20 years ago is killing a dead genre?

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>>383572849
>those tiny fucking wheels

>>383575842
>Soft Sci-fi
Star Trek, Mass Effect
>Sci Fantasy
Star Wars
As >>383575958 said

>>383575961
>High fantasy
Lotr
>Low Fantasy
Calradia

>>383576240
>thinks all western mech designs are laid out by battletech
>point out the fallacy in that by focusing on the fundamental design principles on mechs
>wow why you get so hung up on the fundamentals?!
???
If you have nothing to say anymore, then you can always just stop posting anon.

>>383576474
>steampunk fantasy mech running on the soul of a dragon?
How realistic

>>383576474
>Escaflowne isn't different when it's a literal steampunk fantasy mech running on the soul of a dragon?

wow sounds like shit
why do weebs accept being fed that garbage?

>>383576464
Low may still have some magic, but it is more mythical and not well known. Medieval has zero magic and is realistic to the time period.

>>383572307
Aren't force users literally mages and the robots can't use magic? It's been years since I've played PSO.

>>383576474
>everyone that disagrees with me must be the same person
retard

>>383576403
The only Mech-Fantasy I can think of is Escaflowne. Is there more?

>>383576543
Are westerns fantasy?

>>383576474
>a literal steampunk fantasy mech running on the soul of a dragon?
Japan was a mistake

>>383576496
Holy fucking shit you are retarded

>This is a car, it has wheels
>This is a motorcycle and it has wheels too
>They're both clearly different machines despite sharing fundamentals

>This is a car
>This is another car
>They're both basically the same thing
>N-NO THEYRE NOT THE SAME, FUCK YOU

This is you

>>383576464
Low fantasy typically centers on normal people, grunts, workers, whores. It's about normal people living in a fantasy world. Can be a medieval fantasy world, doesn't matter (usually is, actually).
It's like asking what's the difference between space opera and soft science fiction.

>Eschaflowne was an isekai shoujo anime
>The isekai and the shoujo the worst part of the show

>>383576621
The SRW series has some Fantasy mechs but most are conventional.

>>383576403
Most of the science-fantasy is not science-fantasy, but space operas. There's a difference.
Actual science fantasy is shit like some aspects of Might and Magic or Endless Legends.

>>383576576
Your posting style is obvious as fuck. You can't use grammar to save your life and go mental with paragraphs. I'm not as retarded as you so I can spot that shit easy.

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>>383576640
2 atomic bombs weren't enough

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>>383576728

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>>383576621
Uhm, shit. Whatever shitty LN the main bitch is from in Re:creators? Although that's probably an Escaflowne ripoff.

>>383573025
There are so much impractical shit in the military that mechs aren't out of the realm of possibility.

Science Fiction.
I love fantasy settings too, but I don't like the art style of many fantasy games.

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>>383576667

that's not what characterizes low fantasy

>>383572140
Nigga, Mechwarrior's whole style is just aping Dougram.

>>383576464
Medieval is set in the real world and Low Fantasy is set in a world created by the author, I'd assume.

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>>383576836

>>383576781

the us army is literally using mechs right now

as pack mules

>>383576847
Isn't it just a reactionary movement to high fantasy? No wizards, no super-powerful characters, no MCs in positions of high power.

>>383576376
>I just discovered sci-fi and fantasy
The fact you think this is some sort of insult shows you haven't been outside long enough.

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>play fantasy game
>Huge emphasis on portals going to other worlds, demons are literal aliens etc etc

>>383576928

yeah he should really, uh, go outside and read more fantasy books

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>mfw love mechs using conventional ballistic weaponry instead of lasers

reminder: Mechs are not science fiction they are science fantasy

>>383576652
Thank you for proving my point again. Nothing you just said has anything to do with what I'm saying. Let me just put that nonsense you just reurgitated into proper context:

>lets make some means of transportation
>the wheel is a very good principle and cost efficient way of transportation
>lets go with that
This is correct.

>lets make some means of transportation
>the wheel is a very good principle and cost efficient way of transportation
>lmao stolen from Mesopotamia! get rekt faggots!
This is not.

>more ad hominem
If you have nothing to say anymore, then you can always just stop posting anon

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>>383576937

I hate how everyone keeps making scifi stories has to be set in or after an apocalypse.

ITT: Some japanese mecha retard is being baited by a western mecha fag even though everyone else in the thread realized he "won" the argument
why the fuck are u still going?

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>>383576960
>shitting on HoMM

shiggy

>>383570692
what about morrowind?

Reminder: Nothing labelled as science fiction is actually scientific, even hard science fiction is dominated by people fapping to a select few formulas and concepts of physics without understanding those things as a whole

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>>383577093

>>383570692
Name one thing LOTR invented and didn't just steal from other folklores and cultures

>>383577089
retard

>>383577128
>dominated by people fapping to a select few formulas and concepts of physics without understanding those things as a whole

reminder: science isn't real

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>>383576996
same

Although I like beam lasers a lot too.

>>383577128
Even Asimov?

>>383577179
Reminder: you aren't real.

>>383577179

correction, ""science"" that does not adhere to the principles dialectical materialism