SMT is dead.

>Finally get a console SMT again
>It's probably gonna be generic persona-tier shit

WHO THE FUCK USED THE MONKEY PAW?

>it's a "I hate on anime so I'm not a weeb"episode

>game adds news animated cutscenes, revamed battle system,updated graphics, new story scenes, new demons and a new alt route
>this is now bad too /v/

ok

>>383542989
What the fack is SMT about anyways, and why does that dude have armor.
I always thought that these games and the perona ones were the same thing.

>>383544038
New art is shit

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>>383544053
check out Google.com

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>>383544053
Edgy pokemon

>>383544053
stop

>>383544161
Is there more to this art?

>>383544124
no it isn't

>>383544163
Edgy Pokemon Go to be more specific.

>>383544124
who cares, besides a handful of skippable scenes it won't affect gameplay at all.

it's not even that much worse.

>>383544275
>generic pentagon headed teen weebshit instead of unique, defined artstyle
>good

>>383544053
Its the Dark Souls of Persona, and Persona is Catherine's RPG spin-off

>>383542989
It's different but it still looks mostly okay

>>383544382
it looks completely generic

Why do people even like kaneko's humans

>>383544053
Strange Journey pretty much takes place separately from most games.

It's about a UN Team being sent to explore the Schwartzwelt, some black void that opened up in the middle of Antarctica and has been expanding since. The teams get state of the art technology ships that, thus far, seems to be the only thing the Schwartzwelt doesn't tear apart upon contact with.

Shit gets fucked, demons behind everything, you're stuck there until you figure out how to deal with the problem.

Armor adapts to the environment and dangers you're dealing with, but that's mostly an excuse for leveling.

>>383544359
>unique, defined artstyle
Yeah you totally sound like you know what you're talking about.

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>>383544359
thats for the animated cutscenes. these are the character potraits

>weebshit

nigga SMT is weebshit

SMT is humans fighting with/against and negotiating with actual demons that can and usually fuck them up 1v1. Persona is humans fighting creatures within worlds that are the collective manifestations of all of humanities consciousness, think a wireless demon themed Matrix. The demons seen in persona are simply manifestations of demons generated by human minds, not actual demons. Each game unless numerical is a different universe based in these rules and completely self contained, the Persona universe is just a tiny bit of the SMT multiverse.

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>>383544163
Best dad

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Do you answer the call?

>>383544491
>nigga SMT is weebshit

bait

>>383544526
For
>>383544053

>>383544617
>>383544163
Dadga fucking sucks

>>383544491
>racially diverse cast of middle aged adults
>weebshit

Strange Journey is the furthest thing from weebshit

>>383544124
It's okay unless you have a hateboner for anime. No one cares about Kaneko's humans anyway, it's about demons.

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>>383544053

RIDE INTO THE DANGER ZOOOOOONE

>>383544462
That sounds rad as fuck. Is the game any good?

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>>383542989
Demons Pokemon was best

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>>383544665
t. Poo

>>383544648
>nigga SMT is weebshit

>Bait

Counter-bait

>>383544362
Wait is it really? I loved catherine

>>383544462
>Just started SMT4
>It seems to be a super standard jrpg but with cool enemies
>Suddenly read this

wtf why did SMT get so bland?

>>383544753
I liked Kaneko's humans and demons

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Who are the best demons?
>Odin, Ganesha, Titania, Cu Chulainn, and Nidhoggr

>>383544491
Deep looks much worse. Especially Gore, what the fuck.

Silent Hill x SMT when?

Digimon x SMT when?

>>383544846
Yes. The series has been around since the 80s and been very consistent about each game being fun and worthwhile to play.

>>383544937
>Just started
How far? There's a pretty neat twist early on in SMTIV, the Mikado setting is meant to be generic.

>>383544491
DUDE
WHAT IF WE DID NOTHING BUT REMOVE FACIAL DETAILS
LMAO

>>383544962
>David
>Matador
>Mephistopheles
>Cleopatra
>Odin
>Khrisna
>Mara

>>383544648
>>383544737
"Weebshit" has always been a buzzword to refer to Japanese things. Stop trying to change it so you can be acceptable to the same faggots who call anything Japanese and anyone liking it "weeb", because you are "weeb" by default if you even entertain SMT.

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>>383544962
>anything but best moth

>>383544846
If you like or can put Wizardry-style gameplay, and pseudo-Pokemon style power gain you'll like it.

Just prepare for the anal map pain that is places like Eridanus and Grus and good luck if you go Neutral or Law, the final boss in those cases is so bullshit that it'll mandate heavy grinding (We're talking recommended 90+, some of the best demons in the game with strong as fuck Light and Dark skills and your job will be keeping them alive, hence the joke of SJ MC being a living vending machine) or using the code system to summon a demon who has Reflect Everything since Reflect does damage back to whoever attacked, even if they'd be immune to it.

Also remember that if the MC dies, you insta-lose.

>>383544163
I think you mean pokemon is SMT for kids

>>383544910
Catherine is a re-imagining of Q*bert set in the SMT universe, and Persona is a series of RPGs based on the Catherine sub-universe of the greater SMT universe / Q*niverse.

I'm gonna play Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei soon, how should I distribute stats in 1?

>>383545207
>"Weebshit" has always been a buzzword to refer to Japanese things.

Fuck no. That's like calling Dead Rising and Knack weebshit

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>>383544962

>>383545128
They removed details from everything. Notice even the uniforms are more simplified missing wrinkles.

>>383544937
>>Just started

Play for a few more hours.

Is this a remake?
A sequel?

>>383542989
How dare he not have a regulation army haircut in a game where you can't even see his face outside of menus.

>>383545375
Remake with some sequel elements (new route/ending I imagine).

>>383545375
3ds port with extra shit

>>383545457
>>383545461
Awesome. Can't wait.

When can we date our Alignment waifus already?
>>383544275
>fucked up Jimenez and Gore
>Not Doi for the most part
>some of those screens months back with famitsu didn't look great
Ehhhhhhhhh. My only issue with deep is that I prefer the older UI. As long as I can skip new content if it isn't great, I'm ok with it.
>>383545375
Port with new content. Like Desu overclocked or RB

>>383544962
Kohryu's my boy
Slaps shit in purse-owners and is a pretty cool guy in devil summoner 2

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Okay, I'll ask here.

Played soul hackers and on nocturne, after nocturne should I go play IV and IV:A or another game? I was thinking of looking into the other ps2 games like the raidou or DDS duology.

>>383545375
Man i wish atlus would knock off with the remakes of not even 1 generation ago games. Just make a fucking sequel damnit

>>383545295
Fuck yes, the retards who invented the term plastered it onto anything Japanese. You're just splitting hairs so you can feel accepted by hating anything "anime".

>>383544910
Nah, I was just joking. In reality SMT is the main entry in a series of RPG's and the Persona series is a spinoff that plays similarly, except that it has a social sim aspect.

Catherine was a standalone game made by the same team who does the Persona games, I think it was mostly done to test the new graphics they would use in Persona 5.

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Are you going to use the save anywhere you want feature, or just try and ignore it?

>>383545443
>not having a military cut and looking like civilian joe
>game now has animations
The right image seems to be before he joined the UN group, he has the cut it official artworks and even in animations.
That or the right image is at a different angle and he already has it.

>>383545606
You should play SJ before IV because there's several references to it.

>>383545606
I'd do
IV->DDS1/2->IVA->Raidou

Because IVA reuses a lot of assets so it might be a bit boring straight after IV.

>>383545689
I'll just save at the spots where the save points used to be. Probably it them with fusion since no save states.
Wonder what will replace em. Will subapps be handled without terminals too? Will terminals just become warp rooms like how they were in prior games or the safe rooms in P5? Will they be outright gone and healing spots replace them? This is what I'm interested about.

>>383545667
>I think it was mostly done to test the new graphics they would use in Persona 5

Whether or not that was the intention, they don't use the same engine. Catherine uses [spioler]Gamebryo[/spoiler].

>>383545689
If I play it on the go, yeah, but as far as I remember, SJ has a shitton of save points so I doubt I'll savescum.

>yet another atlus remake revolving entirely around a mysterious new waifu

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>>383545764
I want to as the setting and premise seem really cool but I thought I should wait for redux.
>>383545783
Sounds good, you're probably right on getting tired of IV if I go right into IV:A right after.

Thanks guys. I tried SMTI a while ago but it was kicking my ass pretty bad as my first SMT game. I plan to do SMTI and SMTII after playing more of the ps2/ds era SMT games.

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Maria is listed as appearing in DSJ on the wiki so I'm wondering if someone knows something we don't. It would make for a cool boss related to Mem Aleph/the mothers.

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>>383545978
Well, whatever, it looks great. I wish they've made a Persona game with Catherine's theme and setting instead.

>[spioler]
Use "ctrl + s" next time, bro.

>>383546298
DSJ won't be out for a while and the localization will take even longer unless a fan translation happens first.

>>383546340
They post videos on the game on twitter.
https://twitter.com/megaten_atlus/status/874554985358520320

>>383542989
I don't have a problem with this honestly.

What I'm really hoping for is to change up the story with a plentiful doses of boss rushes and IVA levels of difficulty.
The whole alignment attacks seriously did not feel satisfying at all.

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>>383544665
fuck you boyo

go kill yourself on YVHV

>>383544846

It is one of the raddest smt games. The setting is really not half bad. A lot of the other games settings feel sort of meh desu as far as I'm concerned.

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It's been 2 days since the trailer, where's a subbed version?

>>383546749
>leave persona to me.

Where's TMSfag? I loved TMS and want to see more people getting butthurt over the game.

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>>383544962
hee ho the fuck are you?

>>383542989
So what you're saying is that Persona won? Since it's alive and all.

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I HATE Nukiko

>>383545126
>>383545341

Honestly, getting out of Mikado and into the full game didn't increase the intrigue much. Strange Journey still feels cooler as a setting. Maybe it is just preference, but it feels like a sci-fi action thriller. You've got a military crew in a near space ship like vessel stranded in a hostile environment. Sort of tropey characters like the black commander, female scientist etc. but they work well. I actually wanted to explore the anomaly.

I dunno, like I said it's probably just taste. I guess SMT4 was just as exploitable and mysterious, but the initial setting was just so generic and I didn't really care about the characters much.

>>383547076
what the fuck is that

>>383547179
otaku bait because they didn't like the original.

>>383546563
I want them to be puritan about this, but at the same time it feels like the original games second half was kind of...shoddy (Recycled ice cave graphics in Jack's area, Grus in general, looking for those eggs)

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>>383547076
Do we know her relevance to the story? Is she a demon that joins you or a human?

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>See the boxart.
>"Damn, that armor looks stupid."
>Play the game.
>"wtf i love the demonica now"

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>>383547467
She's hunting down the main character for mysterious reasons and she's related to the new ending.

>>383544648
Persona is weeb
SMT is not

This has always been canon

>>383542989
He looks better, before he looked like a fucking doll.

>>383547386
They did tuch up the dungeon appearance from the trailers at least. Plus new area as well. Maybe they'll fix up jack's at least.
My issue is music, so small and reused, even the final boss theme, only expections with bosses were neutral routes Zelenin/Jimenez fights, and using music from the early dungeons in Fornax, Grus and Horomlogium B1-4 rather than new shit. I just hope they add more tracks in.

OK GUYS THE OFFICIAL ANSWER TO THE QUESTION

Law > Chaos >>> Neutral

>>383547302
>otaku bait
Moe otaku bait. SMT is otaku as can be, though it also has moe demons.

>>383547386
I'm all for them reconstructing the entire game actually.
I really really liked SJ but it was such a flawed experience.
The dungeon crawling took a nosedive after the demon mall and it by far had the weakest core combat out of all the smts I've played.

>>383542989
At Least he's still racially ambiguous (white or Jap) and not black.

Anything that makes SMT fags angry is good news. Cancerous idiots

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>>383542989
>non roided Chris Redfield

>>383547938
gotem

>>383547636
For insecure SMT fans. Both are 'weeb', or neither are because they're Japanese games that both appeal to nerds. Persona however can appeal to more than just otaku while SMT has struggled for years to appeal beyond that niche.

>>383544491
Why does every SMT/Persona game have a guy who looks like Deep #3? They've been recycling that face since Persona 3.

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>>383547606
Okay, at the least this might mean she isn't total waifubait that fawns over you from the minute you meet.

Hopefully.
>>383547810
As long as there is always some asshole who will preserve peace why is neutral is bad?

>>383547836
I thought it fell after erindanus. Fornax had nothing really going for it outside of Alice's rabbit hole quest, Grus was just bland, Jack's Squad was dogshit and just basic and Horologium was where it picked up again but that's like the final area anyway. Had nice gimmicks like the tempurature valve, invisible paths (with the teleporter section).

>>383545606
If you're looking for more Nocturne-tier sick guitar riffs I strongly suggest DDS

>>383544491
what the fuck happened to gore
my fucking sides

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This is up on play-asia for $150, hope the art book is huge

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>>383548514
He's kawaii as fuck now.
Wonder how Ubergestalt will look like. probably better.
Old Joseph/Heiachi's VA fits him

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>>383544962

[Laughs Geometrically]

>>383548772
Gore looks dumb

>>383548091
Persona however, starting with 4 mainly, gained its popularity mainly from weebs who wanted to project through a Jap high school character who's a total chad and fucks everyone
I would know that's exactly why I love P3-5 and I'm a very devoted weeb.
SMT I prefer for a traditional monster training game with heavy theistic influences because I'm a fucking nerd for that shit too.
I mean sure they're both Japanese games but Pokemon isn't weeb shit
If anything it's religion shit

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>>383548365
Your post reminded me, I actually I wanted to ask about something.

I bought a copy of nocturne brand new last week, it was the only copy the store had so I said fuck it. In my version everything is fine but i notice in the normal battle theme it seems altered.

Guitar riff at 0:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQhgTN7bNH8

The guitar riff that normally occurs at aroud 0:54 is entirely different, anyone know why?

>>383547606
>mysterious reasons
The real reason is that she wants to fuck Doomguy

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>the one time I want Fatlus USA to take a chance at a dub because this is the one game that makes sense for it
>they use Jap VA instead

>>383548964
Monkey's paw

>>383547606

>New ending
>We never got a direct link between IV and SJ

...Fuck.

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>>383544491
>get to eridanus or so
>plot diverges from the original and it turns out you're playing as a doppelganger party in a what-if scenario
>fight kaneko-humans in a bonus boss battle

so the new girl is yukiko and aegis after the fusion card effect resolved?

>>383548278
Neutral is counterintuitive mainly.
Lawfags believe that through mutuality and cooperation a greater value of people can be achieved, even if it's through rigid structure and order.
Chaosfags want to do away with that rigid structure and let people achieve thier own greatness and have that determine their worth, even if it's less than if people worked as a unit.

Neutral just says that since both ideas have flaws they're wrong and there's no point in trying

>>383549285

>mutuality and cooperation

You mean submission to whoever's pulling the leash and serving the food.

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>>383549285
This.
>>383549389
And it's the same thing for both law and chaos, your point?

>>383548909

I genuinely think SMT kind of falls flat as a monster taming series. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the games, but it's mostly from a thematic and aesthetic point of view. SMT has always been "Have the right monster and beat each encounter effortlessly" or "Don't have the right monster and risk getting wiped before you have a turn" It's more about pre-battle preparation than it is synergistic team building and seeing a team you've raised of favorites becoming something awesome.. I mean if you dig that sort of thing then more power to you

Also, while again the monsters are all thematically interesting, compared to something like pokemon SMT just doesn't do anything to make you care about the monsters you collect which is something I've always considered a big part of the genre

>>383549115
How about this?
Joke ending has them warp into the Antartica in IV's universe, pre ICBM, leads to Demonica being used to fight demons

>>383549285
>Lawfags believe that through mutuality and cooperation a greater value of people can be achieved, even if it's through rigid structure and order.
more like straight up Soviet comunism

>>383549517

That would explain how Demonee-ho was part of the VR system. There's also another theory floating about that since Amon is involved, this game may end up tying into If... due to Expanse shenanigans.

>>383544491
>So we have all these assets ready to go
>what if
>wait for it
>what if
>we make them worse

>>383548618
>6 seperate disks wasted on maybe 80 2-minute tracks

They are blowing this shit out of the water. why the hell do they go out of their way to incentivize the soundtrack? who the hell just pops in a disk to listen to music when it's just a couple clicks away from youtube?

>>383548618
Thanks for reminding me. Just ordered mine.

>>383549469
I wouldn't say there is a complete lack of care for your demons, we all have our favorites we like to use however we can.

SMT's tone is just different. You're goal is to become as strong as possible. you're not a kid in a setting where everyone tames cute monsters, you're typically one of the few, maybe only you, to use these murderous abominations. Just different tones.

You think they'll pick the MC up from his vending machine role and make him useful in combat?

>>383549285
>there's no point in trying

That isn't even close to true. What do you hope to gain by spouting such lies?

>>383549389
>>383549518
Chaosfags you have merit but order is always what people naturally want
There is worth in a life of following the orders of a higher power if it works to raise the system.

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>>383549469
>why doesnt the monster taming game let me tame 3 monsters and just use them for 99% of encounters
the world may never know

>>383549464
Law usually means you've had your free will stripped away and have no choice in your submission.

>>383549858
no you moron, the higher power IS the system, and when an actual physical god starts tormenting humans, they very quickly realize that things are best if they just cut out the middle man and regulate themselves.

did you miss the part where everyone kind of hates having a bunch of murderous demons and crazy angels everywhere

>>383542989
new look is still decent, I'm not exactly hung up about this.

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>>383549776
Most cars still have CD players that might as well be used for something. I think my MGR OST disc is in there.

>>383548909
The thing is "weebs" aren't relevant. Both are Japanese games that appeal majorly to OTAKU, only Persona is the one that appealed to a greater audience of not only otaku but people in general because contemporary life, high school, relationships, etc. are more relatable and relevant to the interests of more people. SMT was so niche, only 'weebs' in the West really know about it; all three series you attract 'weebs, but I'd argue SMT is the most 'weeb' out of all of them based on that fact.

>>383549825
It tends to encourage it with low level demons often having shittier stats and skills than higher level.

You CAN make a badass level 99 Pixie.

It's just going to take a while. A long while and enough eugenics that it makes Fire Emblem feel like a children's game.

>>383548928
The main battle music has a bunch of different variations at that part. They just put the one in the official soundtrack version. It means you can't really get a good quality version of the track, but it's available.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZZA-ElsORk

>>383549285
>Law:
Give up free will.
>Chaos:
Hurr durr we are free, fuck everyone and get fucked as well
>Neutral:
Buy some more time until a new ancient evil awakens again.

All of the alignments are pretty terrible.

>>383549389
That exists in Neutral as well, but humans do it to each other so it's better.

>>383550187
I mean, that's the point of SMT, all the paths suck because the universe itself is just fucking broke.

Ain't a world that can be fixed, not easily anyways. Might not be the case with SMT IV: Apocalypse, wouldn't know, can't play it. No 3DS.

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>>383550187

Friendly reminder that white is right.

>>383549285
Law is only retarded in SJ, and I believe if YHWH was around to see block city he'd slap the Wise Men's shit in.

>>383550156
Why does Nocturne have such shit sound quality?

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>>383549847
I fucking hope so. Maybe the coolest design any of the MCs have had but he's just a fucking vending machine for your demons. I get we don't have a case like SMT2 where you're playing as cyberpunk jesus but japanese doomguy should be way stronger.

>>383544491
Those look traced as hell, why did they even bother remaking them?

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>>383550187
>All of the alignments are pretty terrible.

>>383550364
t. White

You guys suck too.

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If you're wondering why the SMT universe sucks so much, blame this guy.

>>383550156
Thanks, typically I notice only the second riff plays. I was just curious why it does that since I had only heard that first riff. Thanks anon.

>>383550019
ok man who sins and acts in his own destructive interests

>>383550681
ok marx

>>383550385
Good question. They didn't need to save on space, and it's not as if Atlus didn't have plenty of time to fix it's audio compression if it was causing a problem. Of course, I don't remember other Atlus stuff like DDS sounding like that, so who knows?

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Give it a fucking rest, Kaneko is done.
He will not come back.
He had a good run.

You can't expect an entire franchise to run with the same artist for more than 20 years, especially when it all looks very samey (Fashion Display Mannequins with black Eyeshadow and Lipstick).

Soejima is good and Doi isn't awful.

>>383550560
Is he as much as a petty fag as he is in the game as he is in the book? In the book he just pissed some bullies neat him up and he becomes a total asshole who unleashes multiple demons because "lol I'm sure that as all these people die those bullies will as well".

>>383549946
You can choose to submit to Law as a protagonist. Usually it involves saving the people considered worthy of salvation. There would be no need to cull humanity if you could just make them all obey. That's not the case of monotheistic faiths and it generally isn't the case in SMT either.

>>383550862
He should draw demons and demons only, Soejima makes alright humans I guess. Also please fire the anti-gravity tits guy.

>>383550864
He never speaks in the game, he might as well just be a self-insert you name at the very beginning. In Kyuuyaku, you don't even see his face at all.

>>383545606
If you intend on playing IV or A, play Strange Journey first. If not, I'd play the Raidou games in order. Otherwise, play DDS. I'll warn you though, DDS doesn't have demon collecting.

>>383550342
The story is not worth defending or discussing. "Alignments" are just a token theme that previous writers latch on to to artificially drive the story but fail to make any meaningful statements about law vs chaos. There is no absolute statement because the writers have no clue what they're writing about.

If anything, IV: Final completely debases the entire alignments thematic and introduces the new theme of power and control that blows alignment out of the water.

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>>383549672
>yfw it actually leads into If and we finally get an official English translation of If and SMT2

>>383550019
>they very quickly realize that things are best if they just cut out the middle man and regulate themselves
Humans are terrible at that, that's why the conflict exists in the first place.

>>383550862
Doi is better than Soejima.

There. I said it.

>>383550862
>You can't expect an entire franchise to run with the same artist for more than 20 years

Dragon Quest

Also almost Kingdom Hearts which is kind of weird to think about

>>383549946
That's bullshit that only applies to SJ.

Law is about upholding a long-lasting order even at the cost of immediate drastic sacrifices. What the remaining society does is the Messiah's choice in most cases.

>>383551247
I think the Devil Survivor games do the best ob in making alignments.
They're all so rewarding and different from each other. Except Ronaldo's path in 2, fuck him.

>>383551329
>humans are terrible at regulating themselves despite having done it successfully, consistently, for significantly longer than recorded history
nice meme

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>>383551161
Yasuda isn't an Atlust employee, thy can't fire him.

Not like he would care because he is swimming in Money from DanMachi and every new Digimon Game.

His Art is great, shuddup.

People don't like Kaneko's humans? I always thought they made SMT look more unique

>>383550187
the franchise really needs to step up the route branch.
even if they just add an Evil route.
but getting Lawful Good, lawful Evil, Choatic Good, Chaotic Evil, Lawful neutral, Chaotic neutral is what it really needs.

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>>383551974
>Torpedo tits.

>>383552049
It's just some idiots. Kaneko's style can be a bit jarring but it's a cool style. I'm pretty 50/50 on his humans, some I love and some I don't like, but his demons are magnificent.

>>383551839

>>383551847
Take your issue to the games then because they clearly are not able to as a species, thus the conflict in the game. The plot of SJ happens because humans are destroying the planet they live on.

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Post some rad demons

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>>383552164
>Implying

>>383547076
is nukiko using a future version of the demonica suit?

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>>383552185
I prefer his older style of humans, personally.

>>383552327

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Tell me /v/, what are your hopes and fears for SMT5?

I'm kind of hoping we get a more absurd setting like nocturne or SJ, IV's was a little bland in comparison I felt. I'm kind of thinking they might do something insane as a new mechanic, maybe like being able to fuse the human with demons.

My only worry is that is that it ends up a complete mess of a story like IV:A. The obvious waifu bait with the partners was just insufferable.

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>>383552436
I like humans in his old style much more but I quite like both styles for the demons.

>>383552498
>>383552514
Poetry

>>383551632
Does Toriyama do the Designs himself? I thought it was just some of the monkeys at his studio who are paid to imitate his art.

After getting stuck at YHVH and ignoring the game for months I finally beat Him tonight with one demon (Mitras Buddha) being left alive with one HP left
Holy shit how do you even get close to beating that on Apocalypse difficulty?

>>383552689
Fuck that give me Catherine 2

>>383552498

I'd like them to drop back to 40 or 99 stat caps.

>>383552742
he typically does the main designs and promotional art I believe.

>>383552498
>maybe like being able to fuse the human with demons.
That's a major mechanic in SMT 1 and 2 that completely break the game because human fusions don't have a level limit

>>383552498
>My only worry is that is that it ends up a complete mess of a story like IV:A

IV:A's story is great unless you are a literal brainlet who prefers IV.

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>>383552793
Pic related and toot man.

>>383552942
IV:A's story was fine, its characters were absolute shit for the most part
Massacre ending or don't even bother

>>383546340
Why the T- REx tho

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>>383552638
Yeah, he never lost his touch with his demon designs, I'll agree there. His newer human designs, though. It's not that I hate them, I just can't place my finger on it. They've gotten more sterile and emotionless, I suppose?

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>>383544491
Wow, it's slightly changed.

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>>383553143
Old Lilim is better.

>>383553158
For the worse

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>>383553285
>recolor is better

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>>383553285

Said by no one ever.

>>383553509
But I just said it.

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>>383553143
How new are we talking? I always thought some of the humans he did around the ps2 era were a bit weird, not bad though. They have a obvious "modern" look but still seem absurd. I like it since it seems so distinct and odd.

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>>383553581
I meant his PS2 Megaten work onward. I haven't seen his recent work to see how different it is. Apparently he works on novels and LNs now?

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>>383553285
Wings and leotard are better but the dark skin and hair on the newer lilim is much hotter, and honestly with the female demons that's kind of what their purpose is, to be hot.

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>>383553715
>>383553552
>not liking booty shorts and half-gloves

So, at least you wont be a walking dispenser this time?

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>>383553681
Yeah he seems to have really changed around the late ps1/early ps2 era. Not SMT but his designs in maken x are fucking absurd as fuck, though I guess it's fitting for a game as bat shit insane as maken x.

>>383553928
How does Maken X emulate by the way?
Been meaning to play it eventually

>want to get into SMT, thinking of playing nocturne first
>having huge amounts of issues with finding working downloads
what the fuck, I've never had this issue with the countless other isos I've emulated before

>>383551792
I daresay DS1 does the best in implementing the "traditional" alignments. You've got your varying degrees of Chaos, you've got a whole slew of Neutral ranging from cowarding out to pulling a Steven-and you got a Law ending that atually highlights some of the upsides because YHVH likes you better than any other protag. DS2's ones are so far removed they feel more like a bunch of third options, partly because the major conflict is spearheaded by asshole aliens instead of God.

>>383554194
Try emuparadise?
That's where I got the iso a couple years back

>>383554194
I'd try emuparadise

>>383554065
Fine I believe.

Can you read nip? The game was butchered pretty badly in the English.

>>383544753
A lot of people care. The question is why don't you? Why the fuck would anyone want to trade Kaneko's art for generic anime style?

>>383552498
We already got that in Apocalypse, sort of. Though if you mean as an actual mechanic sure, I can dig.

I want orginality, but most of all I want a shift in tone. SJ, DDS and even Nocturne stuck out because they were about humans stuggling to survive in an alien world.

Should SMT5 bother with monotheism defining alignments anymore?

>>383554621
Oh so you're a PS2 nostalgiafag.
>b-but SJ
SJ is the game closest in tone to those. I'm glad we're back to post-apocalyptic scenarios.

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>>383554740
>Persona had a plot involving Outer Gods
>SMT hasn't, and since Thor is clearly very relevant in SMTV, it still probably won't

What the fuck, Atlus?

>>383554595
Ask Kaneko. He didn't care enough to oppose this. Guess he didn't think your opinion is relevant because it's not that big a deal.

>>383554750
I can't even tell if thats supposed to be a comeback, but whatever you say. I'm not against character development of any sort, I just want the struggle to survive to be the driving force of the narrative without breaks in tone, I actually thought 4 handled that better since the characters there felt less like unlikeable caricatures.

>>383554913
Don't bother him. He's in the flowers.

How many Megami Tensei fans does it take to screw in a light bulb?

One Persona fan to screw it in and one SMT fan to complain that it isn't dark anymore.

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Im the only one who likes SJ soundtrack?

It sounds like shit on the DS but pretty deccent when you hear the tracks

>>383554850
Isn't it just Nyarlathotep? Who isn't actually an Outer God anymor than Philomon is. How would you even handle OGs in SMT, when the rival-pantheon-staging-a-coup thing is already played out by the Divine Powers?

>>383554750
Oh. and for the record I fuckin' love DeSu 1. It. ay be way more optimistic, but the story arc still has a lot of the elements that got me hooked in the first place.

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>>383555280
haha funny

>>383553365
I don't really have a preference on Lilim, but Old Lilith is SHIT compared to IV's.

>>383555280

I don't get it.

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>>383555280
Lol that was good

>>383555418
After listening to it outside of the game, I wasn't a fan of most of the tracks. It helps a lot that the normal battle music is really good since you hear it all the time, though. Other than that, maybe Land Bringing About Life and Holy Miracle.

>>383555280
>I played P5 so I understand the smt fanbase now

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>>383544962
Too bad he hasn't been in anything since P2

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>>383542989
>first SMT x FE is idolshit the persona
>now my favorite mainline became Persona with Doi's shit art
YAMERO!!!

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>>383543836
I was okay with the Persona-tier friends in 4A because every time they did one of their power of friendship spiels, Dagda would pop up and tell you how much it disgusted him and how everything they were saying was bullshit.
And then you kill them all.
So yeah, I have faith that the Maniax team know what they're doing and won't ever play power of friendship straight.

>>383555853
The problem is that all the characters aside from Gaston were so badly written. Toki was particularly obnoxious.

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Do you guys think V will only focus on Odin, or will the whole Divine Powers group be back together?
I liked their dynamic, but them being together was a product of the universe they were in, and it would be hard to justify them suddenly coming together with completely different circumstances..

>>383555280
Persona isn't megaten.

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>>383551496
Doi is a better designer. Soejima is a better artist.

>>383542989
i don't mind that actually, OG strange journey's MC is ugly as fuck

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>>383556320
*cough cough*

>>383556047
I can't tell if Navarre was god-tier or shit. The distinction relies too much on what the intent behind him was.

>>383556342
Yasuda is a better character designer.

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>>383549776
I had my Persona 4 Dancing All Night CD in my car stereo for a solid 3 months.

>>383549847
Nope, but maybe your MC will have a gun that buffs and debuffs this time so he'll actually be useful.

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I'LL END IT THUS

>>383544962
Hathor Hathor and Hathor

>>383555853
It's not like Dagda's was any better. He was just as annoying and obnoxious as they were just in a different way. I understand why people like Dagda but he was still trash with a dumb plan that made no sense.

>>383542989
What the fuck is this real? There's too much anime determknation bullshit in that image, where's my fucking stern soldier fuck you, fuck you

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Its asking too much a SMT game you can marry your demons?

Moh Shuvuu is the best bride a human could have.

>>383555692
Once youve played one you've played em all my boy.

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What's 1 (One) demon you want to make an appearance in SMT5?

>>383557197
Minotaur
He was weirdly absent from IV:A despite being linked to the fucking main character

>>383552498
I just want a SMT5 that goes off the deep end with the surrealism and overall craziness. I want a story far more complex than everything they already did and I want more options to choose too. Also, put more secret things to find in the game.
Just take me for a Wild Ride, Atlus.

>>383556981
Monkey-chan is not for lewd.

>>383557159
You're right, all the persona games are samey. At least SMT is good and diverse (:

>>383557147
Die, waifufag. Failure as a human.

>>383556916
For having a Low and Chaos choice, he alone makes it easy to avoid it

>>383557197
Messiah

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>>383556981

>>383552498
A genuine Law path where you can have YHVH join your team to demolish the Chaosfags once and for all, or at least have him be a big character of the Law path you see often.

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>>383556916

>>383556981
That monkey has a nice ass...

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>>383557197
Raiho

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>>383557567

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What did she mean by this?

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>>383557197

>art getting worse and worse
>music getting worse and worse
>save anywhere
>baby tier dungeons in all their new games
>majority of their output now is "enhanced" ports

Atlus sucks dick right now

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>>383557650
You can't get married when you're dead.

>>383557860
>music getting worse and worse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc

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>>383557354
>>383557567
Is it weird that hearing people refer to her as monkey makes her hotter to me?

>>383552498
>absurd setting like nocturne
???

>>383551839
really makes you ponder

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>>383557197
Santa Claus as a demon would be so rad.
Anyway, I want Enki as a demon in SMT5, that'd be sweet.

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>>383557980
She is cute. If she had a better haircut she would be legitimately attractive.

>>383552264
>SMT IV and Apocalypse are set in downtown Tokyo.
>No Pachinko or Arcade minigames.

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>>383558535
>Hating hime cuts

>>383545283
melee oriented build for nakajima
magic/melee oriented build for yumiko

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>>383559106
Its the sideburns.

>>383542989
Is it still demon coop?

>>383550864
the rest of the novels and the game is all about him regretting that decision and desperately trying to make up for it

how does he fit in the SMT universe anyway? is it an alternate timeline where he didn't become edgy and used his knowledge to help develop teleporters with stephen?

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>The Post Game Apocalypse DLC has all the Messiahs
>Except Space Marine

>>383559278
Yes, there was a chaos coop in the video.
Press turn would trivialize the game.

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>>383559525
>Implying Space Marine wasn't there

>>383560218
Poor guy being a vending machine is too much of a meme, I used him normally until mem aleph, where demons just do much better because jihad.

>>383559525
>>383560218
>Vending Machine.

>>383560357
>'vending' debuffs via his guns
>going RIP AND TEAR on Asura/Ashera
He does the job just fine.

>>383560540
It would have been cool if your companions changed clothes over the course of the game instead of keeping their Samurai Attire.

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DEEPEST LORE

>>383559782
I'm just not a fan of how demon coop pretty much forces you to stick with specific demons or else your coop damage is going to be shit.

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>>383557860
>music getting worse and worse
Now this is shit taste

>>383552498
>being able to fuse the human with demons
How about you play SMTI and SMTII you fucking wimp

>>383544276
>>>383544163
>Edgy Pokemon Go to be more specific.
You are so fucking wrong

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Kill your friends boyo.

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>>383544962
I like the Devas. They carried me in DeSu.
In P5 this fool's debilitate shat on every boss.

Why we got those generic battle songs in IV and Final with unfitting hi-BPM again?

>>383561667
SHUT UP. YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD, DAGDA

>>383561713
As opposed to generic buttrock or chiptunes?

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Question: in nocturne can I come back and fight daisoujou later or do I have to fight each fiend when they're first available?

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>>383555280
Delet this

>>383562110
You can do em whenever
The only ones that are mandatory to do immediately are Dante, Matador, and I think Hell Biker

>>383562110
You can always come back.
That said, you should be the appropiate level for the fights by when they appear and the amala floor they unlock is great for leveling.

>>383562301
I wanted to kill her the Asura fight in IV and IVA didn't help, somehow her AI was even worse than Walter's.

>>383562256
Thanks. It seemed that way but I didn't know if there would repercussions if I did. My demons are fine against him but I didn't expect him to have so much hp, he basically just keeps timing me out.

>>383562301
Who wears short shorts?

>>383562291
Right now in my playthrough I was thinking of just ignoring putting the candelbrum in the amala pathway. My plan is to basically tell everyone to fuck off and go my own path, I heard nocturne is a bit mire complicated then the regular three routes.

>>383562414
The only limitation to the fiends is that you have to do them and the Amala Labyrinth completely before you enter the final dungeon of the game if you want the main ending

>>383542989
different art style =/= death of a franchise

>>383562550
>My plan is to basically tell everyone to fuck off and go my own path
Amala's true demon nending is the most your own path of the bunch, together with the true neutral ending, but better.

>>383562663
I liked neutral ending better than tde.
There I said it.

>>383562825
Fighting lucifer>two shooting a little bitch.

>>383562630
>>383562663
>>338356282
Thanks forvthe advice. Call me dumbass but I assumed just giving them the candelbrum might have consequences and seemed dumb. I know it sounds dumb but that was my logic honestly. Trying not to use a guide and having a lot of fun.

>>383562890
I don't give a fuck about fighting lucy at the end of it you just become his bitch anyway.
I don't want to be part of anyones agenda or bullshit I just want go home

>>383560357
>I used him normally until mem aleph
Interesting, because in my case, he was the one killing mem aleph while my demons did no dmg and were only buff/healing during the fight.

>>383563045
I usually reject chaos, but it was the least shit option in nocturne.

>>383563072
>I just want go home
While always waiting for everything to start again?

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Was he an edgelord? Was he correct for being an edgelord?

>>383563172
Yeah the one guy whose name I already forgot ask me to join him and his dumbass brute army and I just said "maybe". Guessing that's the obvious chaos route which seems pretty meh.

>>383563118
>buffing
>against MA
Must have been painful, she's a cunt when you start doing that.

>>383563172
>While always waiting for everything to start again?
Eh another messiah will deal with thatv shit by the time that happens and if it comes to it I still have my demon powers.