Grimoire

>>383538342
Stop shillong this game. It will come out in q week or so. Make threads then when we actually have something to discuss.

>>383538342

For anyone who's wondering what Grimoire is, it's an indie dungeon crawler 23 years in development, delayed countless times, dismissed as vaporware by many. The dev Clive Blakemore (who created the whole game with help from his son) is mentally-ill - he literally thinks he's a throwback to a mentally and morally superior race of neanderthals. It was meant to be finally released on Steam on the 7th, only for Clive to once again delay it for an unspecified amount of time, supposedly because he'd found a bug.

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>>383539139
This is like the billionth thread about this shitty game within the last couple of days. By now everyone knows what this crap is all about.

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>>383538342
Remember to report this offensive post

>>383539372

>Wife

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Hello my name is The Cleve,
And I'm making a game,
It's not just a tease,
It wont be super lame!

I promised, A game, back in 93'
There's tons of, Screen Shots, That you can see!

I swear it's not a scam!
Get your wallets warm,
You've waited 20 years,
What's a few years more?

>>383538469
It's not coming out anytime soon and it is likely it will never come out.

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>>383539372
Post yfw this game is going to be a burning trashheap

>>383539607
>not coming out

>It's going good. Eliminated swaths today, now having to pore through the notes of the last two weeks to find anything not checked off. I predict before we turn the end of this week you will be playing Grimoire or at least the new version will be sitting waiting for Valve's approval.

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Nobody in this thread will be alive to see Grimoire 2

>>383540035
We will see grimoire release before Magic gets added into Dwarf Fortress. Mark my words.

>>383540035
Is this real???

>>383539902
He says just before not putting it out

>>383539902
>Keeps trying to shift the burden onto steam with "It will be there for Valve" constantly.

He's setting himself up to have an excuse when it fails. He's not even trying to be a success anymore.

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>>383539762

Nah, I'd love it to be a burning trash heap, that would at least be an entertaining end to the saga. But if the bit of sape inside Cleve can ever push past his neanderthal perfectionism to release it you know the game will just be competent, if forgettable, dungeon crawler with some dated graphics and an unpolished UI.

>>383540494
I'd call that a dumpsterfire by Cleve's standards

>>383538342
in cleve's defense he did release a demo a couple of years ago(he was promising to release soon then too), that said it would not surprise me if he missed his next deadline and the one after that and the next one etc.

>>383540587

As if he would concede any flaws, no matter how glaring.

>>383540140
photoshop

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>>383538469
>It will come out in q week or so

>>383538342
>http://store.steampowered.com/app/650670/Grimoire__Heralds_of_the_Winged_Exemplar/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zPCFwGAlk8

I don't think Cleve's intention is to steal money. Otherwise, he would have released the game in early-access. What do you think?

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>>383540035
>the next one is full-voxels inspired by Cube World

>>383541673
he needs a game in the first place to do that

I don't understand why Steam hasn't done anything about this

They rarely let shit like this slide, the game should have been pulled by now

>>383538342
Will the Codex shill any piece of shit game as long as it looks like it was made in the 80s?

grimoire is never coming out

he will be back in 3 years to try to scam another 7 grand out of hapless limp dicks

>>383539371
there are people who come to /v/ less than weekly who shit up every fucking FOTM thread with "WHAT IS IT WHY ARE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT AND USING IN-JOKES WHAT THE FUCK IS A SAPE SOUNDS LIKE SOME /pol/ SHIT I HATE ALL OF YOU BECAUSE I AM INCREDIBLY INSECURE OF WITNESSING PEOPLE ENJOY TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING I AM NOT INVOLVED IN"

its so fucking annoying and happens all the time i would be far happier with a little summary every now and then to ward off those kinds of people

>>383538342
This is actually happening? Next thing you'll tell me Embers of Caerus is getting revived.

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>>383542476
maybe because they've actually played the "full" version & know Clive will/is going to really release the full game

why else would they be silent & not do anything about him missing the deadline

>>383542476
I think it's just because Steam doesn't probably review anything during weekends. However the game has accumulated already lot of reports so it should be reasonable to expect something happening on Valve side this week. If not... then they don't really care about their customers and let anyone just scam and make false store pages promising whatever games. I hope in this case there will be a backlash of sorts.

Also tomorrow 12/07/2017 is the net neutrality protest. I don't know how that will affect steam.

imagine if valve had done something like this with hl3

someone would have bombed the hq

>>383543056
>Valve kick him out of Steam
>Now he has a new excuse to not release his game

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>tfw your brillant vision of a penismonster and sphinctersaurus infested gay furry dungeon crawler was cancelled by a schemeing Neaderthal and you die of AIDS

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best race

>>383539372
is that how steam works?

>>383542675
they said the same thing about the super-demo before it was released

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>>383543586
Full story of Cleve and the cancelled Wizards project, scroll down the thread:
http://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=32803.0
http://archive.is/5R1n9

>>383542220
Fb/cleve.blakemore

The fuck?

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>>383542550
Grimoire was literally made in the 90s
It's unrealeased vapourware that the madman neanderthal dev has revised and added to ever since

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>>383544909
I actually kinda liked the 98's versions UI more

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Reminder that Cleve is /ourguy/

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>>383545710

Why isnt the game out already? Its been days.

>>383545710
>wrong at biological level
>a horrible childless death
>neckbeard

Is he talking about himself?

>>383539139
>Clive
fuck OFF it's CLEVE as in CLEVELAND if you're going to be "the big explanation meme man" as least spell the fucking information right you idiotic sape

>>383545710
>It is also called "The Heroic Era" for a reason
what is

>>383546123
t. sape

>>383539516
6.5/10

>>383538342
Any updates posted anywhere?

>>383546274
it's only been three days anon & the least post said it (should) be out by this week so friday at the least

>>383546487
It's actually Calvin Barkmore.

>>383546487
You are a fucking homo sapien Jesus Christ. The neanderthals are extinct you moron

>>383547403
t. puny-brained sape

>>383547186
>friday

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>>383547773
>sape

>>383547403
>sapes

when will they learn

>>383547773
>>383548249
We raped you all and killed you after taking your cold resistance genes. Sapes won get over it. The last neanderthals killed each other hiding in caves.

>>383548783
say that again when I'm standing in front of you with 6.5 feet and 300 lb pure muscle, a bone structure rivalling iron in density and a brain pushing 1600 CC capacity. I'll crush your tiny brain like my ancestors crushed mammoths, you insignificant, moronic sape.

just starting the demo any tips for fighting the plants?

>>383549009
You lost. You are extinct. That's how bad you lost. Just like all the other dumb races

Cleve and Varg will team up to bring the Myfarog RPG to the PC in the most concentrated blast of European Neanderthality this side of the Holocene epoch

>>383549426
>missing the joke this hard

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>>383538342
Holy fuck

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>>383546709

>>383549810
you think that's messed up you should see the inventory screen,you'd think Cleve would have has unique character art for each race but instead it's just a generic human that's pink

This guy lower than derek smart

how is this possible?

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>>383549426
Wrong.
>Neanderthal-derived DNA accounts for an estimated 1–4% of the Eurasian genome, but it is significantly absent or uncommon in the genome of most Sub-Saharan African people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaic_human_admixture_with_modern_humans
We share 96% of our genome with Chimapnzees, so being 4% Thal and having 96% in common with Chimps & Sapes = You are a Thal.

>>383538342
IT IS OUT!!!!!
http://store.steampowered.com/app/650670/Grimoire__Heralds_of_the_Winged_Exemplar/

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>>383549810

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>>383540140
anon..plz

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>>383551845
it's up for me. You have to be browsing on neanderthal steam, sapecucks need not apply.

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This guy sounds a lot like Terry Davis here

>>383552112
What the fuck was he doing for so long

>>383552737
>Believes neanderthals are superior to sapiens
>Still believes in religion sapiens created that even explicitly states only humans have souls ( read: neanderthals aren't people )
What did he mean by this?

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>>383542727
i agree, perhaps you could put it in a pastebin and then copy-paste it into every OP. then you could finally fuck off to /vg/ with the rest of the unfunny fucking degenerates, where this humorless garbage belongs.

>>383552751
I don't play many PC games but I'm not sure if even modding the fix's like that pic would be something a person with too much freetime would invest in for so little return

Can we talk about similar games that actually exist like Might and Magic and Wizardry?
Did you start (re)playing one of them after you got blue balled yet again by Grimoire?

>>383552737
does he ever say anything about CIA niggers?

>>383553253
Is vantage master a dungeon crawler?

>>383552112
I don't understand the point of the body model

>>383539902
If you go and look at his posts on RPG Codex from 20 years ago he says that exact same shit.

>>383552859
Visit Cleve's blog for the full thalpill. Neanderthals are the real Adamic race.

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>>383553783
it's to show your armor value isn't it?

wizardry 8 had something like it

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HOW THE FUCK IS THIS GAME STILL NOT UP

IT'S BEEN 40 YEARS

>>383555342
How the fuck is Bridgette B still doing porn that bitch is older than this game

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>>383555467
Nina Hartley is older than your mom and is still doing porn.

Also, I'm about to play Wizardry 8, because I am nothing but a simple sape.

>>383553091
t. sape

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I WANT TO BECLEVE

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anyone solve this puzzle yet?

>>383557162
Is that past the skinkasaur? I haven't managed to beat that guy yet.

>>383557162
You have to give yourself surprise buttsex

>>383557632
yeah I found he's actually really weak against fire so having a spell or scroll help whittle him down works wonders

>>383555467

plastics don't age, anon

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Protip: Cleve is testing us to see if we are worthy of his golden baby. He made Grimoire to prove a point to himself as a coder: that he could code a game as well as Sir-Tech. See>>383544681
Satisfied with himself, he is unsure whether he wants to release his creation to an unworthy world. He's already proven the point to himself, what do the views of others, lesser beings, "Sapes," matter?
Release is made less likely because Cleve is blackpilled on the world and views others as degenerate, evil, and unworthy, lesser beings; Sapes.
Each time he teases a release he gauges our responses, weighing us up to see if we are worthy of his creation. Each time so far, he has found us wanting.
Cleve will only release Grimoire if we prove ourselves worthy of his baby, if we prove ourselves as Neaderthals, if we can show to Cleve that he would accept us once and for all in his Neander-tribe with custody of his golden baby: Grimoire.

bumping for interest

>>383541673
Early access would mean there was a game to begin with. That game doesn't exist.

>>383545292
i like this portaits much more

>>383560667
He could easily just put up the superdemo that does exist

>>383545710
good to know he is not one of those

>>383560879
You are happy he is someone without a brain?

>>383560829
Why would anyone pay 40 dollars for a demo that you can play for free>?

>>383561384
Because anyone that think Cleve is able to make a good game is fucking stupid.

>>383561539
t.sape

Honestly I am fucking hyped as shit for this game. I know it's coming out, the demo was lit, and it looks and plays amazing. Great class variety and the exploration is amazing.

RELEASE THE FUCKING GAME CLEVE

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>>383545710
>2014

How long has he delayed this game?

>>383561965
About 20 years. He was bragging about releasing it all the way back in '97.

>>383546487
The Cro-fagnons just don't have the mental capacity for these kinds of imageboards, man.

>>383561965
See>>383544909
>Target Release Date: Fall 1997

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>ctrl+F "sape"
>16 matches

Quality thread

Meltdown when?

>>383561539
well, one thing is sure, 20 years is a lot of time for nice ideas, quest and lore

>>383563496
when it's out & only get's around 700+ sales

How can someone live a lie for over two decades?

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anny game like this one but with the possivility to change your team images/portaits in a not too much difficult way????

>Privately, I had begun to ruminate. As a result of idly thinking about how I'd do things differently if I produced a worthy sequel to the Wizardry series with my own capital, I began to realize that a bright guy could do it at a fraction of the price it would cost morons like the Siroteks through their comical trial and error.

>The Siroteks Communist style centralized approach virtually guaranteed a budget was required of a million dollars or more to get a game out using their process. I was certain a smarter person could do the same job a lot cheaper than they ever could.

>I had been thinking of a sequel to one of my old Commodore 64 3-D Games, a followup to Crypt of Fear, Vault of Terror, Tomb of Horror. The working title in my brain for this game had been Clock of Fate for a long, long time. I had formed this loose premise of a world where an antique clock is actually tied into the reality of the world and as it winds down with nobody to maintain it, the whole world is winding down with it. I decided to spruce up the title more to try to make it as baroque as BANE OF THE COSMIC FORGE. I did a bit of synonym searching in the thesaurus and I came up with something, something of the Metronome Mysterium. I think I was looking for words for the first part of the title when I found "Tome" attached to some suitable candidate.

>Wait, I was thinking, isn't there another more obscure word (not in the thesaurus) associated with an ancient book of magic or knowledge? French origins, maybe. Something to do with alchemistry. What was that ... oh, right ...

>GRIMOIRE. That was the word.

>>383543787
How do you revive the eye-stalk's when THEIR IMMUNE TO SPELLS

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

>>383543056
It's July you dumb fuck, that protest is happening in December.

>>383564115
Stranger of Sword City but you should for the updated version or play it right now on the Vita.

>>383564129
>So what if instead of having to write my own graphics engine and UI I just bought some third party product? That would slice off my first two months of work for the Siroteks. What if I got the Watcom Compiler (which the Siroteks should have provided me from the beginning if they had a clue) and started in flat protected mode C++ instead of C? That would shave enormous amounts of time off just getting rolling without a million headaches from the 523K real mode limit.

>I could slap the text editors together in Visual Basic for DOS for all the game data. I could slap a universal resource packer together in one day. I had looked at a lot of the code I wrote for the Siroteks and it was so primitive to me at this point it is like I was looking at the scrawlings of a child. Just like a Rubik's Cube, I thought, twist this, turn that, here we are. I could make a better turn-based Wizardry style RPG than the Siroteks could under my own steam.

>Unbeknownst to either Philip Moore or Max Phipps, I was a richly creative storyteller who had crafted ten thousand worlds for hundreds of games in my life. They had never figured it out but I had more imagination than the both of them put together ten times over. I never told either one of them because they probably thought queers have a monopoly on creativity but my mind was so much more active and vibrant that both of them were just dim bulbs in comparison. Like Dr. Manhattan, I would reassemble myself from the aether out of nothing at all.

>So I got started on it.

>Obviously, there was a little more work there than I originally estimated.

>>383561594
t. retard.

You are hyped for a shit game made by a moron that if it ever comes out.
>>383563589
I am sure there are nuggets of good stuff in there somewhere but it will go to waste because Cleve is stupid.

>>383564115
i mean with a non ingame ones, images i have in my pc

>>383564306
thanks but i want pc

>>383564532
Stranger of Sword City IS for PC m8

but I have hope clive will keep his own words this time & release a entire game

>>383565485
t. sape

>>383553091
>implying grimwah will survive long enough

you really think people with no patience would be able to have a consistence general for a 90's style dungeon crawler

>>383565273
thanks, but how I can change the party members images? they are inside a game folder and just replace them for new ones in my pc?

>>383541673
Hasn't he already stolen quiet a bit of money via crowdfunding sites?

it's like a shitty game for nostalgiafags but released in 2017
why would anybody play this?

>>383566128
It's not stealing if inferior sape brains donate their money to him.

>>383539371
eeeeeeeeeeh maybe

>>383564426
He's certainly articulate, I'll give him that.

>>383538469
Anon no...

>>383552737
Cleve should get into the youtube alt-right business. He'd make a killing preaching his insane schizo delusions to /pol/ frogs.

>>383561965

He's clearly waiting for humanity to fall to its lowest point before he releases his magnum opus. That is the only way the incline can truly begin.

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Why the hell are ?worms? so strong? They are one-hitting my entire party with that bullshit screech.

>>383542029
>Cube World

Anon please, the wounds still haven't healed.

I-it's releasing soon, right? I kinda want to play it. I loved Wizardry

>>383569281
>grimoire
>releasing within the next decade

laughingwhores.jpg

Don't believe the "I just need to fix a few bugs!" excuse that Cleve said a few days ago, he's been using that copout for 15+ years

>>383568798
But he's still updating it

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So what's most likely to be released: Grimoire, Cyberpunk 2077, or a new Spoony review?

>>383570226
Cyberpunk. CDPR have only just really started development on it, now that they're done with TW3. Expect to get some info on it by next year, and the game to come out by 2020 if not before. Same with Death Stranding.

>no new posts from Cleave Blackmoor
Is he dead?

>walking through a city expecting a safe space
>get assaulted by three bugs
>they spew fireballs and kill all 6 of my Aeorbs and almost kill my 2 giants on the first turn

Reminder that if you aren't playing onslaught superhero, you aren't playing the game right.

>>383570226
>the most likely of three things that will never happen
This is some zen koan shit

>>383570226
>grimoire release date
never
>cyberpunk release date
2025
>spoony review release date
never, he will kill himself first after he realizes what a failure he is

>>383570507

>>383538342
I couldn't be happier this game isn't coming out, those graphics look like shit.

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>>383571129
it looks better than the game it is copying, which is all that matters

>>383571312
It looks worse than any game coming out in the era where games are actually good, and THAT'S all that matters.

Gamers aren't going to accept shit like this. Games are an audio-visual medium. Games are about the story, and you can't have a good story without good graphics. The same way you can't have a good movie if the camera is pointed at the ground, or you can't have a good book if it doesn't have pictures in it to show you what's going on. It's 2017, it's time to move on from crap like this.

>>383571454

>>383571454

>>383564129
>>383564426

The Sirotek brothers relased 8 Wizardry games.
Cleve released 0 Grimoire games.
Really makes you think.

>>383571454
>being a graphicsfag

I don't understand this perspective. If you want to ogle something pretty, watch a movie. Games are for gameplay. Well designed games play just as well back then as they do now, which is why Might and Magic 3 aged so perfectly. Graphics and story are meaningless.

>>383564521
Sounds like youre just a sape faggot. You will eat crow when cleve releases his game.

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>>383571730
Sape-tier logic. Take the Thalpill:
>They (Sir-Tech) had extensive legal problems with Andrew Greenberg and all of the original source code for Wizardry, which they had never properly obtained the rights to or purchased from Greenberg. They had written successive sequels while all these legal problems raged in the background, thinking ownership was 9/10s of the law and the longer they stalled in court the more likely they would just be conceded the owners of the franchise by default.

>Their role as "managers" in the past of software projects mostly consisted of calling people on the phone and asking them when did they think it would be ready. I gathered they had no real hands-on experience managing software development and they were so sparse they decided (all non-technical people do) that it was really a very easy affair, you could just hire some interns for peanuts or anybody handy and shazam, a game would appear in some way sooner or later. I had worked with people in New York with far superior experience and credentials to these guys and was good at recognizing real technical people when I saw them. Norm and Rob were not these kinds of guys.

>Both Norm and Rob were not aware you can easily go bankrupt in software development if the company is run by idiots. They were both confident in a way that did not really resonate with what they had on tap, outside of their name and previous glories. I guessed when I was there that Sir-Tech was really on it's final legs at that point despite having "lots of money" in reserves. I have been doing this long enough to know that incompetent people can burn a million dollars a month easily without being able to explain where it all went. I would not have purchased stock in Sir-Tech if I had been offered it.

>>383571947
>Graphics and story are meaningless.
Wrong. So wrong.

First of all, you're being insensitive. I have a disability that makes it hard for me to imagine what something looks like, so when I see a game with graphics that aren't accessible to me, it's very upsetting.

Second, gameplay exists only to contextualize the story. Saying gameplay is important is like having an empty glass, and when someone wants to pour soda, you say no, only the glass is important. And you don't necessarily need the glass at all, the same way gameplay sometimes only gets in the way. Gameplay just for gameplay is a waste of time.

It's not coming out, is it

>>383572357
It is, we just got to subvert our sape genes. If we focus on the inner neanderthal, it will come all.

>>383572357
The superdemo has as more content than most full priced games these days, so as far as I'm concerned that counts as releasing a game.

>>383572241
Not that guy but you are right. If the story is compelling it amplifies the gameplay. An rpg needs an amazing story in order for there to be a great game. A great story in an rpg is like the perfect side dish that complements the main course so well.

Gameplay in rpgs doesn't really exist, you have you stats, your party comp, and your game knowledge but break it down and it is turn based. A good story can suck you in and make you love the game and make it legendary.

I just played Torment : Tides of Numenera and earlier that year I played Pillars of Eternity. They are practically the same game mechanics wise despite some differences. But Torment's story and writing were actually fantastic and it drew me into the world along with a great atmosphere.

RPGs are the one genre that needs good writing. Without it they are nothing.

>>383572241
>I have a disability that makes it hard for me to imagine what something looks like
You are retarded? Don't worry, most people are.

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>>383571454
>Games are about the story, and you can't have a good story without good graphics

>>383572634
>Gameplay in rpgs doesn't really exist
I wish. It's actually that they insist on having gameplay that ruins RPG games. If they got rid of those outdated concepts such as
>you stats, your party comp, and your game knowledge
then they would truly reach the next level of epicness. Just a story with nothing in the way.

>>383572636
First of all, don't use that word. Second of all, I'm actually very intelligent, most of the tests I've taken online say my IQ is over 90%. And even if I wasn't, that's no reason to judge someone. What I have is just one of my disabilities, and people have to accept that.

>>383573067
That's where you lose me you fucking retard. An rpg needs those things or else you are playing Skyrim which is a piece of shit with a perk system. You don't actually like rpgs, you are a brain dead mongoloid with some developmental disorder and have no imagination.

DnD mechanics, rpg systems, stats, and party mechanics are absolutely essential in rpgs and you are brain dead if you think that they can be removed. Fuck off already faggot, you are a loser.

I think we all know that Steve does nothing but sit in his underwear all day, getting drunk and shitposting about his game.

>>383573140
You know what? It doesn't matter what you think. You're on the wrong side of history. Games are evolving and realizing that gameplay is useless baggage that we've been carrying around for no reason. You can be mad all you want, but you can't stop games from leaving outdated concepts behind. Dear Esther will go down as the most important game ever because it marked the exact point we learned this. And you and everyone like you will just be left behind.

>tfw the Caveman Blackmoor spergout brought me back to CRPGs
I just got into M&M3 and I love it. When I am done I will go for World of Xeen and after that to Wizardry 8.

>>383573373
Is that why games like crash bandicoot or dark souls are hugely popular? Or melee for those casuals, injustice is really popular as well along with SFV. Or how about that new sim survival game PUBG? People like gameplay because it's a fucking game you moron. People still and always will enjoy tight game mechanics and gone home and that other indie libshit like you are talking about got universally shit on. What the fuck are you even talking about sperg. Kill yourself.

>>383571454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNgd8TeFp0Y

its clear that Cleve revels in the attention and 'legendary' status he gets from consistently delaying this game he's supposedly made. The sad part is people give it to him in spades. The game will never come out as long as the delay announcements get reactions. It'll probably never come out regardless, but at least this pathetic man won't be able to jerk himself over his 1200 reply RPG codex thread anymore.

>>383573515
>crash bandicoot or dark souls are hugely popular
But they aren't. The new Crash Bandicoot game only made people realize that it didn't age well and forced them to take off the nostalgia goggles, while Dark Souls gets memed up by its fanbase while everyone else ignores it for being objectively badly designed.

>injustice
7.7 on Metacritic, yeah, really popular.

>SFV
Mixed on steam.

>PUBG
Only mostly positive on steam.

You're projecting. You think that just because you like these outdated games, everyone else does too. But they don't.

>>383573373
>Dear Esther will go down as the most important game ever because it marked the exact point we learned this
you're making your bait too obvious anon

then again some idiot is falling for it so w/e

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>>383561965
1999-10-23
>It's getting pretty warm to beta, actually.

2000
>Grimoire is going to be released this year. It may not seem like it right now but it is happening.

2001-09-05
>I may release Grimoire a couple of weeks after Wiz 8 - after all the Sir-Tech game is only 80 hours of play and mostly empty, I should let people have a good play of it so they can compare it with my masterpiece.

2001-10-21
>My problem for my entire life has been my overwhelming modesty and humility about my own ability level

2002-09-23
>That's why I got 25,000 hits in a single day last month. Grimoire is more anticipated now than ever before.

2002-05-23
>whereas MW rapidly was consigned to the same CD shovel heap that I tossed Daggerfall and Elder Scrolls onto a long time ago. Grimoire will be out soon enough. Then the readers of this newsgroup will get to see what a decent RPG actually looks like.

2002-10-21
>BG2 is a hollow sheep's bladder of nothingness inflated with the bloated bad smelling wind pumped into it by Interplay marketing.

2003-10-02
>I think Grimoire will be in beta testing this year and released first thing next year, possibly even in January. Of course, my estimates have been off by a few days in the past.

>>383573836
SFV sold a fuck ton, injustice 2 is literally sold millions. People are still playing it. Crash bandicoot also had the biggest sales of the year for a exclusive. People love dark souls and still love dark souls, what you are saying makes no sense.

PUBG literally sold 4 million copies in a month.

You haven't even played these fucking games and not only that you don't even know what the fuck you are talking about.

All the top sellers on steam, the popular games on ps4, are all gameplay oriented games.

You are absolutely stupid to think you aren't in the extreme minority you braindead mongoloid with a developmental disorder. Just watch films honestly, you don't even like video games. You are a loser and thank god noone except video game journalists even think like you.

>>383574005
Just be patient, you dumb sape.
Grimwah is coming out THIS century.

>>383574084
>sales sales sales
/v/ always says sales don't matter until it's the only way to defend an objectively bad game they happen to like.

>thank god noone except video game journalists even think like you
Video game journalists are ahead of the curve. They know more about games than you. That's why they're paid for their knowledge of video games and you aren't. You're just jealous that it keeps being shown that they're right and you're wrong.

>>383574303
The actual game itself and it's quality isn't in question here you retarded sape. What is in question is the popularity of games with visceral gameplay mechanics. You are positing that gameplay is not wanted nowadays, I just showed you that not only are you wrong, you are fucking retarded.

You're probably baiting but even then you just got blown the fuck out, even with that piss poor attempt to move the goal posts.

Kill yourself, your mind isn't working at it's optimal performance. IQ tests online don't count. You will always be a sape.

>>383574303
>>383574403
are you two guys retarded or are you just trolls trolling each other?

man you must be bored

>>383574512
Don't ever reply to any of my posts again sape. Let the neanderthals do the heavy intellectual lifting.

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>>383574403
>What is in question is the popularity of games
And as the bad user reviews show, they're not popular.

>y-y-you're just trolling!
Ah, the last resort of the poster who realizes that everyone else has figured out they're an idiot.

>IQ tests online don't count
So you took one, got a bad result, and are trying to find a way to make it something else's fault instead of your own. I can't even be angry at you because I realize your life must be incredibly sad.

>>383574705
I took a real one kid, I have a 136 IQ not a meme one online that doesn't actually test shit.

They are popular though because they have a fuck ton of people playing them, and a lot of sales means people are interested in games with gameplay mechanics. Like dark souls, souls is still very very popular and games like it are in demand. Shit people play CSGO by the millions and that game is pure gameplay. Your stance doesn't make any sense at all either way you look at it. You haven't made an argument, considering that all games that sell extremely well, have consistent communities and a big playerbase all have gameplay mechanics that are solid.

Your argument or lack thereof makes no sense.

>>383574904
>I took a real one kid
Lmao, sure. You have a 136% IQ and are here saying stupid shit. Yeah right.

>Your argument or lack thereof makes no sense.
There's no need for me to put any forth since you never gave a proper response to anything I said in the first place. I'm starting to think you've been trolling me this whole time. Well played good sir, I swallowed your bait hook line and sinker.

>>383575224
135% IQ. What the fuck? Noone even says shit like that. When you said 90% I thought you meant percentile, you got a 90 IQ? Thats almost mentally retarded.

I already gave my argument. Games with gameplay sell and maintain consistent player bases. Noone wants games with no gameplay. The sales, community, and amount of people playing them suggest people love gameplay.

Again you are retarded and good think I stuck to the original discussion when you tried to deflect. Because you have made yourself look completely braindead in the process.

>>383575341
Oh, so now you're only doing ad hominems. Well since you've literally just proven yourself wrong, I think I'm done here. It's a waste of time to try to educate the willfully ignorant like you anyway.

>>383574303

better go back to neofag where you belong nigger

>>383575224
>>383575341
So this how Neanderthals battled for dominance...

>Neandertards can't even make one (1) game
Really makes you think.

>>383575618
Again what you said made no sense. Do people not want gameplay? That's literally what you said. If they don't want gameplay then why are games with gameplay selling like hotcakes and have huge playerbases? Again your argument has so many holes in it if you cant see that then your developmental disorder is worse than you think. You have a 90 IQ apparently so you are about the median average of a nigger. Congrats you are beyond retarded. You are actually black.

when is the game out

>>383575750
t.sape

It's ok that your inferior sape mind can't grasp that we are literally everywhere. The major power structures of the world all have neanderthal DNA. They may not even know it, but some do. You are in our game and you don't even know it yet.

>>383575849
never

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>>383575636
I stopped regularly coming to /v/ several years ago. Same reasons everyone else from then did, the culture had changed and standard of conversation had somehow managed to drop even lower than what it had been before.

But I still come back once or twice a year, I don't know whether out of morbid curiosity or the vain hope things will somehow be more like they used to be.

After witnessing this exchange, I don't know if I'll want to come back. I don't want to believe I live in a world where a conversation this stupid can be held by humans and not a pair of bickering spambots.

>>383576390
I was the guy defending gameplay. Was anything I said stupid at all? I literally poked holes in his weak arguments and blew him the fuck out. I don't get why you said my shit was retarded when I was the only one that was coherent.

>>383576485
Well, the fact that the other anon was clearly a troll and you kept acting superior for being able to poke holes in an obvious troll's posts was a big part of it.

Also
>literally poked holes

>>383576627
He wasn't trolling though. I know a sape can't tell the difference but that's ok. He was being genuine.

why the fuck doesnt this game get released on gog

>>383576743
You said it yourself on >>383575341
>Noone [sic] even says shit like that
And you were right, no one would ever be saying stuff like that unironically. Yet you kept taking the bait.

>>383576810
He's afraid of pirates and actually thinks Steam is a good enough DRM to protect him and his game

>>383576810
He's said it will be released on GOG after Steam, and be free on GOG Connect.

So that's the reason it won't be on GOG, because it will never get released.

>>383576859
I even said that he was probably baiting, but I honestly believe he was being genuine. Because the conversation started with him saying that gameplay wasn't important. Which is a stance some people have.

>>383576972
Yeah, some people think that subconsciously, but no one who actually thinks that would be self-aware enough to realize it or honest enough to say it upfront. They'll disguise it as something else or dress it up in those fake words only gaming essayists use. The only people who would say something as blunt as "gameplay is outdated" are people trying to get a rise out the easily baited.

When you realized he was trolling, you should have quit while you were ahead. The other anon had already been found out by other posters, you should have joined them and ignored it. It doesn't matter if you think you're making a logical point, they're winning as long as you keep replying to them.

>>383572183

The biggest problem is that Cleve is right. Greenberg & Woodhead still has not seen ANY money for Wizardry since re-releases since they were "Let go", they tried to sue Siroteks AND Bradley (Who already made 3 successful Wizardry games) and Bradley went "Fuck it" and left the company to avoid getting involved. Till this day Siroteks don't want to pay Green & Wood a dime and worse of all sold off Wizardry name to some MMO holding company in Japan.

That's how bad things are with Wizardry.

>>383552737
God said grimoire had to be 1024x768 with 256 colors and midi music

>>383577250
Not really, because when people troll like that he at least believes some of the bullshit he is saying. He just kept escalating his point until it was insane, but even then it started out by him saying he doesn't believe that gameplay is needed in rpgs. He wasn't trolling, he just pretended to be by making his stance outrageous.

>Release date: July 7
>Coming soon

Really makes you think..................

>>383573451

Try Wiz 6 and 7 at least. Wiz 6 is really straightforward but 7 is hard to get in.

Terra is pretty cool. There's some mechanics I'm really missing in Xeen (Corak's notes, Mercs) but I have more fun with Xeen due to the Heroism etc. spells not having to be cast on single peeps.

>>383577457
Yeah, but even from the start he was saying

>you can't have a good book if it doesn't have pictures in it
>It's 2017
>I have a disability that makes it hard for me to imagine what something looks like
>Saying gameplay is important is like having an empty glass, and when someone wants to pour soda, you say no, only the glass is important

All either stock baits or stuff that should have been pretty obvious. And should have been even more obvious as it went on. Face it anon, you got trolled.

He's creating a fiasco with the intention of creating drama and drawing attention to his product. Piss enough people off and then the news outlets start seeing clicks and everyone starts talking about it. This is outrage culture.

Cleve knows exactly what he is doing. You really think he's adding features mere hours before he promised to release the game? No, the game has been feature complete for quite a long while.

>>383577702
But he responded with a coherent post, in the beginning he was saying how story was important to rpgs and gameplay took a back seat. And then said that gameplay is completely unneeded. At some level he believed what he was saying.

>>383577821
Or he was just escalating it because he wanted to see how far he could take it with you still believing he was serious. Which has been a troll MO since the Usenet days. A good troll...well, I wouldn't call this a good troll, but a half-decent troll knows you can't show your cards too early, you have to get someone to bite the hook and only then do you reel it in.

Honestly, even besides all that, your first major red flag should have been the Tumblr "I have a very specific disability that no psychologist will recognize because they don't understand me"-type shit. No one who's part of that crowd would ever wind up on an imageboard. No one who goes that far out of their element would stay there.

When people are lying about what they believe, there isn't necessarily an element of truth in their lies. Usually, they're just lying.

>>383561052
name one thing wrong with his post

>>383578143
I still responded because in the case he was serious which in the beginning I think he was I still could show him he was retarded. He said he had a developmental disorder and didn't like the graphics because of it. Then said that story is more important than gameplay, to which I agreed, there was nothing trolling about it. In rpgs I believe story is more important, then he said that gameplay all around is redundant. That was his true opinion.

>>383577802
>He's creating a fiasco with the intention of creating drama and drawing attention to his product.
For twenty goddamn years?

>>383578354
>He said he had a developmental disorder and didn't like the graphics because of it
Bro, think about what you just wrote. No one would EVER say something like this legitimately. Only a Tumblrina would ever go that route, and that sort of person wouldn't be having a debate in a /v/ thread. They'd leave as soon as someone was mean to them or something.

>to which I agreed, there was nothing trolling about it
Just because you agreed doesn't mean it wasn't a prelude to an escalation of trolling. If anything, it made him more confident that he could have some fun with you, the same way a con man makes sure his target is buying his fake story before he goes in for the money.

>then he said that gameplay all around is redundant. That was his true opinion.
No, it was him realizing that he found his trolling victim for the night and getting started in earnest.

>>383578790
This is a grimoire thread. The autismos from rpg codex are here. You better believe he could be serious.

>>383578946
And the Codexers would be mocking Tumblrinas for self-diagnosing themselves with fictional mental disorders. They are Tumblr's opposites in almost every factor except obnoxiousness. The only time a Codexer would be saying that is if he was...wait for it...baiting.

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>>383549640

top kek

>>383579109
Have you ever been there kek? Those people are autistic as hell. Not everything is an elaborate troll. A developmental disorder where he can't imagine beyond what is shown on screen is plausible. Starting a troll like that isn't really efficient because then he would've just started saying the rediculous stuff. He believed what he was saying initially.

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>>383577356
But what about all the things Cleve said about Max Phipps?
Does Max Phipps look like the kind of person who would do the things Cleve accused him of?

Fuck off Cleve, no one would buy your vaporware just because it finally released, your game still look like shit, it has better chance like 15 years ago but you fucked it up.

>>383539762
That's what we're all hoping for

You didn't actually think we want this game, did you?

>>383579295
>A developmental disorder where he can't imagine beyond what is shown on screen is plausible
Then he wouldn't be on a site that voted Wizardry 1 to be the 64th best game ever made.

>Starting a troll like that isn't really efficient
It worked on you. "He can't be a troll because I got mad at him and I wouldn't have if he was a troll" is not valid logic.

>He believed what he was saying initially.
You are basing this entirely on you wanting to believe it and not wanting to admit you were wrong. Much like people who think Grimoire is going to come out any day now.

>>383579639
Not saying I wouldn't have been mad at him, but I wasn't even mad. I was just fucking with him. In the hopes that he was serious. That's how trolling works. It's a two way street.

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>>383579389
What did Phipps mean by this?

>Grimoire gets released
>game is so niche that only about 150 copies get sold
>Each copy costs $40
>that's $6000 profit
>valve takes 1/3 cut
>so you get $4000
>all this for $4000

>>383580034
I don't know man, I'm pirating this shit. I don't think it's coming out but I am excited for it. Do you get this feel?

>>383579874
>I was just fucking with him
When earlier you said
>I literally poked holes in his weak arguments and blew him the fuck out.
and
>I still could show him he was retarded
Which meant you thought you seriously making points.

Not to mention if you weren't even mad, you would have made that clear before now instead of calling him "retarded" a bunch, which certainly does make it sound like you were upset.

It's time to admit you were wrong anon, this is starting to get embarrassing.

>>383580034
With 20 years, 261 work days a year average and 8 hours of work a day, that makes 9.5 cents / hour.

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>>383580169
>>383579874
I've closed this thread like three hours ago and you people are still going at it? I'm bloody impressed

Why are Sapes so fucking retarded

>>383580260
I've only been talking to him for a little over an hour but you're right, I've shown way too much patience. I should have taken my own advice that I've been giving myself for years and beat it.

>>383580169
Why is it so hard to believe considering I already said in one post that he was probably baiting? Even if he was the troll only works if he pisses me off. If it was trolling it was weak as fuck because I was able to poke holes in his argument. I had fun with it. You are the autist who has been respond to a dead thread for hours telling me how I got trolled even though I really don't give a fuck kek.

I mean by your logic I've been trolling you the entire time by making you reply to me. Guess you lost faggot you fucking loser. Haha.

I mean then all posts on 4chan are just trolls!, noone can say anything dumb or they are just trolling! I mean at that point if I was fucking with someone I would tell them that they got baited at some point. But he didn't.

>>383538342
>Conparing his game to the Challenger Disaster

Oh for fucks sake.

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>>383580437
>If it was trolling it was weak as fuck because I was able to poke holes in his argument
That's not how trolling works at all. Are you new to the internet?
>even though I really don't give a fuck kek
Yeah, you've been at it for hours now because you just don't give a fuck so much. You're like one of those edgy teens who really cares about making sure everyone knows they don't care about anything.

>I mean by your logic I've been trolling you the entire time by making you reply to me
Either than or you are a genuine moron. Has to be one of those.

>noone can say anything dumb
You're an obvious contradiction to that. You claim to have an IQ of 136 and you can't even spell "no one" correctly, which any 5-year-old could do.

>I mean at that point if I was fucking with someone I would tell them that they got baited at some point
How fucking dense do you have to be to think a troll would bother telling anyone they got trolled?

You must be 18 or older to come here, kid.

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>>383580765
you said you'd stop

>>383580765
I mean

You're the one who's been trying to explain to an idiot why he's an idiot and think you can stop him from being an idiot while the rest of us have just been ignoring him. What does that say about you

>>383580765
Kek why would I care about typing noone on the internet. Who cares. I am literally fucking around because I am watching youtube and just pop in to reply to this retard in this thread.

That's how I post, I violently attack someone to make them feel bad until they leave the thread. I hope he felt retarded, but basically if he was telling the truth it makes me laugh that he lost so hard.

I'm in med school buddy, and I'm in summer break, this is how I post on 4chan everyday. I constantly look for people to put down. I've been doing this since 2005. There is no effort in replying to posts, I can not give a fuck and keep replying. I only go on grimoire threads because these threads are fun.

Trolling is a two way street. Trolling insinuates that you will make the other person mad by making him incoherent with rage. Usually that includes making well thought out coherent posts that you may not believe in, but to make people mad. That's how I troll anyway. To make people feel like shit for being so fucking stupid. I enjoy thinking that the people I blow the fuck out on a daily basis feel like shit.

>>383573067
What type of disability do you have? I'm sorry about that.

>>383580895
Yeah. I am now. He's a waste of time.

>>383581068
read

>>383581005


You're a loser by the way. HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

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>>383571454

>>383580765
Cringe

>some dude says "online tests say my iq is over 90%", implying his iq is 90, and /v/ argues if he's joking or not

Is it summer already?

>>383582929
Or that he is in the 90th percentile of IQ? Fucking dumbass.

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>>383571974

>>383582929
you know that the summer meme is just that,a meme,right? chon shitposters are retarded all year around

>>383571974
seeing as the game will be released shortly after the congoid buttsex apocalypse i'd say you will be GLAD to be eating crow or anything at all

>>383582929
90% means his IQ is in the lowest 1%, practically a retard.

Plot twist: Cleve is waiting for Dwarf Fortress to get out of alpha and Half Life 3 to release.

You all should be grateful to Cleve for not releasing the game. The meager Sape brain was never meant to contend with win and incline of such magnitude. I shudder to think of the consequences. Truly, the 'Thal is benevolent and merciful.

>>383584261
Fun fact: Development of Duke Nukem Forever began in 1997, 20 years ago.

>there exists final fantasy advance 2: grimoire of the rift
>cleve doesn't give a shit
>grimoire FPS
>suddenly give a fuck
is he being a bully
>>383584551
It took only 11 years to release, though.

>$40

>>383538342
Reminder that he has uploaded no actual gamefiles to this appID.

>>383585763
FFTA2 was only using as a word in the subtitle, while Grimoire: Manastorm was using it as its primary title. That's a huge distinction. It ended up not mattering anyway, since the Manastorm devs lost their trademark. They hired that "Video Game Attorney" guy who doesn't actually understand law, and he didn't know how to file the paperwork correctly, which the Copyright Office complained about when it rejected the filing. All's well that ends well.

Besides, with the dozens of copies of the game they sold, they won't have the money to stop the release of the true Grimoire anyway. Only Cleve can do that.

>>383586230

I wonder if steam will take action if enough people complain.

>>383586335
>I wonder if steam will take action
New to gaming, huh?

>I told my wife it was similar to the Challenger disaster. Brilliant engineers worked for years on all these systems but then during the last hour they rushed to launch when a simple review and fix could have saved them from catastrophe

Jesus Christ, the delusion.

>those people on the Steam forums who unironically defend Clive and anticipate his game
Is this how you detect retarded fanboyism?

>>383569281
>I-it's releasing soon, right?

cleve is pathologically incapable of letting anyone see or criticize his magnum opus. as long as it remains unreleased, it still has the potential to be perfect, in his mind.

>>383586315
>cleve can do that
you mean has done
twenty years

>>383586595
I'm an idiot, help me understand what part people take issue with in that statement

It'll be out by Saturday. Doubt me.

>>383586597
Thalpilled neanderthals are quite literally retarded. I think the game looks worthy enough for a try, maybe a buy, but it will never ever fucking release. Besides wizardry 8 is objectively better.

>>383586880
He is (supposedly) releasing a game. A video game. Something which has a standard of containing bugs which either are fixed shortly there after or left alone as they aren't worth fixing. The Challenger disaster was a space shuttle exploding because the engineers had done something wrong.

He is elevating his game to the level of a space shuttle and the effect of the supposed bugs he is looking after to the cause of several peoples deaths.

Yes it is just a metafor but this guy, this guy

>265 replies
>103 authors
what the fuck happened here

>>383587279
Samefags. Samefags everywhere.

>>383587279
what do you mean, his viral marketing works

>>383587279
discussion

>>383587391
or people are having conversations and actually answer each other

>>383587391
well yeah, but even /v/ usually does better than that

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>>383587492
>/v/
>actually having conversations or answering each other

>>383586392

I mean, theoretically steam only benefits if they have a game to sell right?

>>383587667
it makes you moist?

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>>383587803
of course
why wouldn't it?

Do you think it will come to a point where Valve says "We haven't received anything yet"?

>>383587782
It doesn't hurt them to leave it up. Given all the asset flips, scams, games that were only worked on for 10 minutes, and all the other fake games Valve allows, a game whose worst crime is simply never releasing is a breath of fresh air.

Valve does not give a single fuck about anything except money. And it will not put the slightest effort into anything unless it's removing something that gets in the way of its money or doing something that will make it money. Gabe's too busy rubbing $100 bills on his nipples to notice something like this.

>>383586880
>>383587190
Also it's likely his wife isn't real or his son.

>>383587981

My point is steam gets money off the top from all those shitty asset flips. If they get infamous a bunch of people rush to buy it and they get even more money before removing it.

With this all they got is his $100 greenlight fee.

>>383587279
>authors
Fuck off with your autism vocabulary, Cleve.

>>383588293
There's still no reason for them to take it down. The way they see it, either it miraculously gets tied to a game and starts making them money, or it says "coming soon" forever and it does them no harm to ignore it. Removing it won't affect their profit, so they don't care. It's that simple.

>>383552737
been thinking the same since this shit threads about this shit game popped up, but at least terry is the fun-kind of insane, and has delivered a fully working (lol) os that he coded.
This guy is just a mongoloid who will never deliver shit, and whatever he has, it was stolen years ago.