Is undertale actually fun or is it tumblr?

>>383530575
It's both, but if you ignore the bulk of the fandom it's worth trying.

both
the game itself is OK but don't look into it beyond that, like the fanbase or anything

The game is fine. /v/ only hated it because it became popular and some of the famdom was a bit too obsessed with it. Everything else is blown wildly out of proportion.

It's good for like 2 playthroughs. Genocide is the best part of the game, but it's too short and feels last-minute

Now that the hype is dead it's the perfect time to form your own opinion over it

>>383530575
It can be (and is) both.

Not sure why you think they are exclusive.

Undertale is a game for the let's-play-watching, cake-is-a-lie type crowd that doesn't even play games. Simple, short, primitive, linear, tedious, laughable level design and puzzles. Barely any fights in the entire game. Almost non-existent stats. Fill it with randumb characters (which is the substance and focus of the game) and cool music, and nobody will give a fuck. Anything fun about this game is purely superficial.

I thought it was interesting. But yeah, it caters to tumblr and other left garbage.

Can people stop talking about this fucking game already?

I thought that it died the second it was announced for PS4 but I guess I was wrong.

The game has more problems than the retarded fanbase. If you don't mind extremely easy top down shooters with unacceptable graphics and very limited gameplay beyond pressing the button at the right time.

The positive aspect is music and the writing is very cliche and void of emotions. The game tries to be so emotional that it ends up being emotionless except for all three endings.

If you are the kind of person who unironically laughs at puns as if they are funny, and you don't mind the fact that this game could have been created with 30 year old technology then consider it as fun.

It's one of those "it's fantastic but the fandom is cancer" things. Humor is somewhat Reddit in parts but that's easy to look past.

>>383530672
fpbp

>>383531501
epic meme

>>383530575
/v/ loved it for about 3 weeks until Metal Gear fans got the topic banned on /v/.

Omega Flowey > Sans > Asriel

In fact Omega Flowey's fight had such a good atmosphere I wish it wasn't wasted on this game because the other two bosses fit the game's themes better, while Omega Flowey was wasted on the shitty neutral endings

There's like an hour and a half of amazing content surrounded by several hours of filler. It's definitely worth playing for the few great moments.

>>383531732
List one "great moment" of Undertale without it being one of the endings.

>>383531615
Sans is amazing but unfortunately it's stuck in the grindy mess that is genocide route. I cant believe how hard he dropped the ball on that route. I know he did it "intentionally" to support the joke of "what if when you were grinding in RPGs you were actually a mass murderer" but the novelty wears off REAL quick.

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>this whole thread
why not play the game and see?

The game is relatively simplistic but novel in certain regards, especially insofar as to the routes you can take and some of the actions the game anticipates and responds to accordingly.

If you're relatively unspoiled I'd definitely consider a playthrough or two when it's on sale, or just pirate it I guess.

>>383531938
You can tell he phoned it in when Hotlands/CORE forced you to kill 40 random encounters

Sans was the most fun fight, but the design and aesthetics of Omega Flowey feel wasted. It's like if Giygas wasn't the ultimate goal of EarthBound

>>383531791
There aren't any. People will say the characters are funny, but I was extremely annoyed when most of the game was just stupid shit and barely any interesting levels or combat. The bosses are literally the only good part of the whole game and there's like 5 of them.

Speaking of tumlbr games, is nitw any good? Just looking for something story driven to kill time

>>383530959
what sort of mature adult games does a mature adult gamer like you enjoy

>>383532095
This, I pirate it and was enjoyable, finished it and never touch it again.

>>383530575
Both.

Overall it's a forgetable mediocre RPG, but if you're jonesing for an old fashioned 2D rpg there's worse ones out there to waste your time on.

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>there are people who don't think Undying and Asgore were the best boss fights in terms of fun

>>383531791
How about when you taunt Undyne during the original fight and her attacks progressively speed up while she's doing anime shit?

>>383530575

The fanbase is absolute cancer, but the game is lots of fun. Memorable characters, great story, amazing music. I got it as a gift from a friend, but I'd definitely be willing to drop $10 for it.

>>383531791

The *entire* sountrack.

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>>383530575
eees vary gud game
>>383530959
u mad

There is literally nothing tumblr about undertale other than the presence of a gay couple.

It's a memorable game that you'll probably have a pretty fun ride with for two or so playthroughs. Avoid looking it up on tumblr and you'll avoid most of the tumblr.

>>383530575
I'd call it satisfying. It doesn't really waste time, and there's a shocking amount of polish put into it.

>>383530575
it's like 2064 rom but with gameplay

neither is fun, it's dumblr af

>>383532232
It's good, but not $20 good.

i have two weeb friends -- one who is pure beta male, literally -- and they wouldnt shut the fuck up about this game. i havent pirated in years (for moral reasons), but the fact i would have to directly support the developer if i want to try this game i know i wont necessarily like is swaying me. i want to see exactly what the appeal is. maybe when it gets a severe price drop.

>>383531791
Riding the duck.
The dog eating the gem, getting dog residue
The game show segments with metaton
Literally any boss fight

>>383531125
SEETHING

>>383532697
Like less than a dollar? Just pirate it, it's literally just a .exe file.

>>383531325
>fantastic
lol

>>383532713

See, I hated the game show segments with Mettaton. But then, I hated Mettaton in general. He was an annoying metallic butthole.

got it free with monthly humble

its alright, tries to make you care to much with feels, not bad but not as great as faggots make it out to be

way overhyped and wouldnt of bought it otherwise

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One of the better games of the year and on my list of must-plays. Shame the fans drove all the writing into the ground and made endless amounts of terrible porn.

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>>383532803
i just miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

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both

Pirated it. Was enjoying it, decided to play it for short sessions every other day, but by the first month the fanbase became so fucking obnoxious on pretty much website/forum/social media, that it got spoiled for me.

I couldn't get enjoying it because autists couldn't keep their mouth shut about anything. I can easily avoid spoilers, but the fags were on /v/ everyday.

Not going to play again desu.

>>383530959
bruh who tf shit in ur timbs to make you so mad lmao

>>383532349
>The game is absolute cancer, but the fanbase is lots of fun. Publicly shamable as hell, great ways to troll them, amazing reactions. I got into trolling them with my friend, but I'd definitely be willing to drop in again when a new crowd of retarded Underfags playing the PS4 version crop up.
ftfy

>>383530575
It's a solid 7/10, gameplay is the most underwhelming aspect of it.

>>383532560
spotted the sjw!

It's for porn. Post goat milf

>>383532154
Yeah fuck that part. Did the walk in place glitch for that bullshit

>>383533265
what about undertale is tumblr? Go on, I'll wait.

>>383533265
Not him, but other than the gay couple, can you tell me what was SJW about it?

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>>383530575
>Undertale tries to copy Earthbound
>Completely fucks up the tone, as well as the humor
>Undertale feels more like the Steven Universe of video games

not fun.

>>383533074
>boohoo other ppl liked it and that made me mad
do ppl like this rly exist? single player games can be enjoyed without ppl on the internet, anon

>>383532697
>for moral reasons
You should have 0 moral qualms about trying a product before buying it, it's legitimately what a responsible consumer does in any other market, video games have very bad consumer rights at the moment and the industry is all about securing your money before a product is even finished or released then selling you tons of addons that should come stock, all the while having terrible return policies with arbitrary restrictions in most places.
It's your responsibility as a consumer to evalute a product and spend your money on those that deserve it instead of throwing it around at random hoping what you paid for was actually worth it, if not, too bad, the people who made a product you considered bad now have your money and you'll be lucky to get half of it back in most cases. A responsible consumer evaluates products and funds good producers, who in turn will hopefully make more products and not more money traps. If people were still releasing honest demos I could see where you were coming from, but today in this market I can't see how anyone would have moral issues with trying a product before investing in the producers, the whole market seems like a cash trap anymore and that's fucked up.

>>383532560
Even then the gay couple is more /fit/ than tumblr and the lesbians are basically a bunch of early 2000 yuri anime tropes put together. Only massive retards believe this thing was trying to be progressive and push an agenda.

>>383533483
tl;dr

>>383533483
>stealing video games makes you a good person: the post

>>383533440
That's offensive, Undertale at least didn't go on long enough to get as fucking terrible Steven Universe has gotten

Great game, but the internet kinda overreacted and overexposed it, so a bit of the charm might be lost. I'd still say to give it a shot.

>>383533605
It's more responsible to try before you buy than it is to buy and hope for the best, because bad people will get funded by you.

>>383533619
It makes you a responsible capitalist, would you rather fund something you know is good or would you rather play the lottery and hope your money goes where it should?

I enjoyed it a lot

>>383530575
its a good game but vastly over rated. it should have not gotten this popular but it did. somehow.

>>383530575
Tumblr

>>383530575
It didn't even really feel like a game. It was just a parody of game mechanics with nothing to be gleaned from it. At the end of it all all I could think about was - what the fuck was that?

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>>383531125
>REEEEEEEEEEE ONLY TALK ABOUT GAMES I LIEK ON VEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>383530575
>we want the furfag made up gender trans rainbow snowflake audience
it's tumblr

>>383532697
Toby Fox is literally one of us. Don't know what the guy who made the game has to do with the fanbase. He's very much gone out of his way to avoid pandering to them.

>>383533478
Nice reading comprehension buddy. I explicitly said twice in my post: 'The fanbase spoiled the game', as in, LITERALLY spouted memes pertaining to spoilers.

Jesus Christ dude.

you can like undertale, you can hate it, whatever, but I wish this fucking tumblr meme would die. I'm sick of this >muh boogieman bullshit with reddit and tumblr and everything /v/ doesn't like. Not everything is a fucking tribal war.

>>383534025
Not a single made up pronoun in the game

>>383534043
thats ur fault for regularly browsing places it was talked about a lot, u arent getting any sympathy here

>>383532332
>Undying
>fun
Fuck DDR.

>>383534047
hey there reddit

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>>383533749
Just pre order my game and the season pass, who cares if it's finished? I need funding to get started on the sequel!

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>>383534025
t. retard who didn't play the game

>>383533483
thats what demos are for retard
this game has one too

>>383533483
i understand, and i do agree with you. i'm not opposed to pirating. if peoples reasoning are like yours, im with you. but many just abuse it, even if they do like the product after all. but i know if im satisfied with the product, i will purchase it. i just dont want to feel like im making pirating grow bigger, into something more deadly.

>>383530672
This thankfully its a single player game and zero interaction with the community is ever required.

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>>383533749
Yeah, anon, you should be able to walk into the theater without purchasing a ticket! J-Just to see if the movie's good, of course!

>>383530575
My honest opinion OP is that Undertale is so underwhelming it's not really worth playing. I bought it for 5 euros during a sale and I feel like I wasted that money. The whole game feels very pretentious, superficially artsy and honestly I was sold on the hype and got let down big time. The soundtrack is ok but the visuals are dated. They isn't even a retro aesthetic about it it's just plain bad lazy graphics. There are many games that did graphics better. And as far as the whole pacifist idea is concerned I didn't really get that either. The game basically forced you into doing two things skip the fight fast by fighting the random enemy that popped out of nowhere and try to progress the story or go for the pacifist approach and cater to its enemy's quirks which most of the time you can't even find out on your own.

>>383534027
it's not JUST the fanbase. the game seems very shallow. he just stole a bunch of minigames and things from other games. this is an ignorant opinion, so if im wrong, calm the fuck down; its just what ive seen with brief glimpses. i feel like the gameplay is shit and the only praise it gets is for its humour and aesthetic, which i dont want to support a game for if its only got that going for it.

>>383530575
it's shit

>>383533483
The idea that You're going to actually stay true to that mentality and just pirate a game go try it before you buy it is fucking laughable. If you get everything in your pirated version you ain't gonna buy shit, You're going to steal it and enjoy it for free and never get caught.

I don't care, you do you, but don't try to bullshit like You're in the moral black here, guy.

>>383533715
This. The game is best played by going into it without knowing anything about it, which was possible when it came out, but is going to be pretty hard to do now.

I went into the game with 0 expectations, or idea of what kind of game it was like. I also hated the first area, because it felt slow and boring. I did however get on board with the game when I accidentally killed the first boss, reloaded my save file because I felt bad, and the game remembered I had killed her the next time we fought. From there on I enjoyed the rest of the experience, which the music compliments very well.

Nowadays people are told it's the best game ever, which raises their expectations to an unreasonable level.

>>383534338
I addressed that in my post already. While it may be true for this game I was making a response to the general issue of the poster, most games today do not have a demo because it hurts sales and that's a problem. If this game has a suitable demo then that's fine for this particular case but that's still left up to the player to determine, some demos don't accurately portray the game enough for evaluation, it's all subjective, that's just what comes with evaluation.

>>383534349
>i just dont want to feel like im making pirating grow bigger, into something more deadly.
How do you mean? Grow for you personally? It's not like the people releasing these games get any kind of compensation for it when you download it, they do it just for the sake of doing it and that's probably never going to stop. I personally think it's a valuable service to the market and ironically to the industry that attacks it.

>>383534606
The gameplay is fun and intense during it's high points.

The main problem I had with the game is that the space between those great moments is filled with tedium, but I explored everything the game has to offer in less than 20 hours so it's whatever.

>>383534578
>cater to its enemy's quirks which most of the time you can't even find out on your own.
>you can't even find out on your own.
Are you seriously saying you couldn't figure out how to pacify enemies in Undertale?

Maybe Bioshock Infinite is more your speed.

>>383534492
Movies and music are ones of the products fucking the most over consumer rights.

>>383534883
i like to consider myself generally unswayed by people (in terms of opinion), so i will eventually check this game out.

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>Try to shill Flowey as the big, major character with all the important lore and the representation of the game's themes
>Fucker only shows up at the beginning and end of the game
>Meanwhile this piece of shit comic relief shows up in every area after his debut
>He's even the one to morally judge you

It's no wonder why Sans took off like he did, he was more of the mascot than Flowey was and has a better boss fight than either of Flowey's forms. Toby really dropped the ball by essentially making every single arc in this game a retread of the same "Here's a few characters and how they interact with you but not with anybody else"

It's fine if you ignore the dialogue and the horrible endings. It's only aggressively bad when the lizard scientist keeps interrupting you for stupid jokes non stop in an area of the game.

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>>383530959
>>383531125
>>383533440
>>383534025

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>>383535074
>wait a minute...

>>383534435
b-but muh i have to look at the internet because adhd

>>383534492
Do you disagree? It feels like an honest scam. It's legitimately on par with me selling you something before you've seen it, maybe it's good, maybe it's not.

Such a thing could easily be abused but I'd much rather see consumers get the benefit than the producers, if their product is legitimately good they have nothing to worry about, the only people who think its bad tend to be those who produce bad products.

I'll give you a crazier example that's not uncommon, how often do people go to a restaurant, eat a meal, and get compensated for it because it wasen't good? Why is this common but it's not for video?

>>383534648
It's completely unfair to just assert such assumptions like that. That's not even an argument. Just because you would act one way doesn't mean everyone else would. I can't tell if you're being disingenuous for attention or if you actually think this way.

>>383535227
>SKYRIM JOKES COMFIRMED

>>383530575
it's actually fun.

but the fanbase is cancerous as fuck, the best way to experience it is to just sit yourself down, and take it on it's own.

then get sad after you're done because of all the autistic freaks that ruined it.

>>383534606
nah youre pretty spot on. the game is shit

It's Tumblr as fuck.

It misses the point of Earthbound.

It treats simple ideas like "killing is bad" like huge, motherfucking deals when...they're really not. It's condescending as hell, and worse, pointless.

The twists are Bioshock-tier.

The writing is annoying and cringey. The characters and art are ugly.

Its fanbase is fucking horrific.

Oh, and the gameplay...is nothing to write home about. Really not that enjoyable. And incredibly linear. You're literally on one path.

But...the music is good.

>>383530575
It's a really fun game. People focus on fan bases too much. If you focused on the fans on of a game to guide you on your opinion everything would be insufferable aside from dwarf fortress

>>383535292
>skyrim jokes
I still don't know if whoever made that video was only pretending and that was the joke

>>383534878
tl;dr pirating is heroic and not bad for anyone in any way :^]

>>383535287
You're already okay with pirating video games, You're not going to bullshit me and tell me you eventually pay for what you already stole and got away with stealing. What a fucking joke.

>>383534025
this

>>383530575
Can be a little long at some parts (cutscenes tend to overstay their welcome) but otherwise it's a pretty fun game.

>>383535478
That's not an argument. Just because you wouldn't be responsible doesn't mean everyone else wouldn't be either.

>>383535467
>heroic
Don't be hyperbolic, it's the bare minimum you can do as a consumer, evaluate a product before you give your money to someone, it's nothing short of irresponsible otherwise. Bad producers should not be rewarded, it is why we have games that everyone complains about in the first place.

>>383534492
>what is a movie trailer

>>383535629
You dropped the idea of being responsible when you tried to think of as many justifications for stealing as you did.

>>383535630
A fucking lie is what they are.
>literally all the best parts
>watch the movie
>everything else was filler garbage

>>383535630
a scam, if you ask pirateshill over there

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>>383535367
would have to see for myself

>>383535629
>being responsible

I've never pirated a game, but I've literally never bought a bad game (though I've received them as gifts) because it's easy as shit in the industry to find just what you're looking for

The fact that you're so shit at doing your research that you need to pirate a game before knowing it's good is hilarious. And then you go and call other people irresponsible for not being as retarded and immoral as you are. Lmao.

>>383530575
>have you played undertale? omg is soooo good lmao
>repeat ad infinitum
it's tumblr

>>383530575
save yourself the time and just read the Sindoll doujins

>>383535696
You have to actually give a reason, as it is right now I see you disagree with my premise but I don't know why, the only thing you've done so far is make assumptions which means you have no basis. It's fine to disagree with me but what you're doing right now gives me no insight as to why you disagree.

My stance is simple, as a consumer it's your responsibility to fund good producers only, in order to do that accurately you need to either evaluate a product bfore purchase or the market needs to provide proper rights for the consumers, a good example of this is with tangible goods, if you buy a product you often have a week or more to evaluate it on your own time, if it doesn't work how you expected you can return it for a refund.

>>383535904
Hey man, that's a totally valid approach, it's just not practical for everyone. It's much much easier to just play the game first hand than it is to form an opinion second hand, it takes less time too. I'm not saying you have to do it, I'm simply saying that piracy is not inherently bad as most people seem to think, it's a responsible thing to do as a consumer who cares about the market. People want to spin that around for some reason, most likely profit.

>>383535904
Corporate shill.

>>383536012
Poster count hasnt gone up more than 1 in the last 3 to 5 "It's tumblr" posts

Did this game upset you, anon?

Undertales one of those things that's very enjoyable in the moment but when you reflect back on it you can see the cracks in its foundation.

A lot of the humor is built around in-jokes and meta shit instead of being genuinely funny most of the time. The tone is all over the place, Waterfall and Hotlands feel like they were made by two different writers. The final bosses of the two main routes basically can't be lost to, removing all tension once you realize that. The plot by the end is full of holes. The puzzles suck and while enemies have cute text actually fighting them tends to be boring.

Nevertheless I had a great time. The quirky Homestuck-esque characters either strike a chord with you or don't, but for me they were mostly likable. The boss battles are genuinely great in every run, if the games combat could always be as interesting as the Undyne or Muffet battles it'd be a 10/10 rpg battle system. The music is fantastic and makes everything feel more grand, hype or funny than it really is because it does such a good job setting the mood.

It's so divisive because of that. Some people only see the rough edges, its fans are utterly blind to them. The games such a mixed bag.

>>383530575
It's funblr

>>383536067
>It's much much easier to just play the game first hand than it is to form an opinion second hand
100% this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7sXHiUBrZM
>JUST BUY IT BECAUSE WE SAY SO

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>>383535287
How about you do some fucking research before you buy something? Watch a trailer, read a review, play a demo, then decide if you like what you've seen and played. Stop justifying stealing with your Economics 101 knowledge to take the moral Batman high ground. I don't give a fuck that you pirate shit but trying to justify it makes you a retard.

>>383530762
I thought /v/ hated it because Kojimadrones were extremely butthurt over it getting a higher metacritic score than MGSV.

>>383530575
https://zltttt.github.io/Bad_Time_Simulator_(Sans_Fight)/
try this, is this fun to you OP?

>>383532497
why is frisk eating a snail

>>383536434

I think it's a cinnamon bun. But if it IS a snail, Toriel has a weird obsession with snails, which could explain it.

>>383530959
pasta

>>383536067
Except you can do everything You're doing without stealing it in the first place. It's not much harder to gather objective truths about a game from a small handful of subjective reviews.

And really, I'm cringing at the idea of piracy making you a "responsible consumer" Jesus fucking christ just stop with that shit. It's responsible for your interests because you saved money by stealing it instead of buying it. Your word on what's good and bad for the industry is also pretty irrelevant. What you think is a bad game still deserves your money for fucking playing it. Don't be a retard and buy that shit without looking into it. If there's ANY problem whatsoever with a game, HUNDREDS of people have already voiced complaints about it. You will NEVER find a flaw in a game somebody hasn't already pointed out as soon as it's been out a few days.

If you want to waste your time playing garbage without paying for it instead of just playing good games what is wrong with you?

>>383536268
>Watch a trailer, read a review, play a demo, then decide if you like what you've seen and played
With the exception of demos, the rest of these don't accurately portray what you're going to get, they're legitimately marketing material, every product should look good in its advertisement video, does that mean it's a good product? Who's to say until they actually try it.

I personally get pissed off at video game trailers because for some reason a lot of them today like to omit the gameplay, the whole reason for coming to the game.
Reviews are honestly worthless to me, I can't trust a single one of them and even still it's just someone elses opinion, not mine. As I said before I can know instantly what I feel about something when I have my hands on it, no need to play this second hand opinion thing. That's just me though, if you feel like it's accurate enough then that's fine for you but it's certainly not for me.
Demos are the only thing that I'll agree with but as I already said, it's rare for a game to have them, if it doesn't, what are you expected to do then?

>trying to justify it makes you a retard
Why? You're doing a very poor job of justifying your irresponsible behavior and I'm not attacking your character for it. You can disagree all you want but resorting to name calling doesn't really convince me that you have a valid side to the issue.

>>383536689
>It's responsible for your interests because you saved money by stealing it instead of buying it.
>instead of
This is in no way my argument, this is one you have made up and not what I'm suggesting.

>>383536835
You didn't buy the last game you successfully pirated and enjoyed. It's simply a lie, no matter how hard you insist it isn't.

>>383536947
I'll address these too
>>383536689
>Don't be a retard and buy that shit without looking into it.
What do you think "try before you buy" means?

>If you want to waste your time playing garbage without paying for it instead of just playing good games what is wrong with you?
I don't even know where you're getting this from at all. If the game is garbage why would you play it? Uninstall it and move on, it's obviously not worth your time or money.

>>383537072
Try before you buy doesn't apply to every product that exists. If you can't try something before you buy it it doesn't make it right to steal it instead.

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>>383534782
>best game ever

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>>383536835
Nice blog post, anon. I think I'll skip this volume and read a summary somewhere.

Remember when I said I don't care that you pirate? I know your rampant tism urges you to type such long-winded replies to me but I promise you your time is better spent somewhere else.

>>383537062
That's not an argument, that's an assumption. It's also irrelevant to the point as it's directed at me the individual and not the argument I'm making. Again, you're welcome to disagree with the concept but what you're doing is simply wrong, you're projecting what you would do on to other people and asserting it as the norm, that's actually insane, you don't know me, you don't know the majority, but you try and speak for them, what's worse is it's completely irrelevant, for all you know I could never have pirated anything in my life, I don't need to in order to make this case, who is saying it and what is being said are completely different things and if you disagree with the ideal just because of who said it you're a worthless faggot.

>>383537072
>what is try before you buy

Something that applies to cars and action figures.

Touhou is better

>>383537341
Assuming you wouldn't steal the game once you realized it's good is a greater assumption than assuming you would.

I'm the one living by the knot here, asshole.

Might be derailing a bit, but how's Lisa The Painful?

>>383537464
Looks pretty good. I KNOW when I get around to BUYING that game I won't be DISSAPOINTED because I did my RESEARCH.

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>>383537184
>Try before you buy doesn't apply to every product that exists.
It doesn't have to, it applies to this one and as such it's relevant, it's what we're talking about after all.

>If you can't try something before you buy it it doesn't make it right to steal it instead.
The difference here is that this isn't theft, these products are not tangible, nothing is being stolen, only copied. I understand where people get confused on this but it doesn't make the points valid just because they can't understand new concepts, honestly it's been a few decades now, people should have a better understanding of digital goods.

>>383537332
>but I promise you your time is better spent somewhere else.
That's where you're wrong kiddo.
Also not an argument.
I could easily be just as bad as you here and post some reaction image while spouting my unwanted opinion, but that's stupid and pointless, it's what you're doing though. How lame, you could easily just explain to me why you disagree instead but you don't, it leads me to believe you only want attention which is bad because you'd get it either way, at least the other way is constructive.

>>383537343
Why is it okay in that market but not in this one?

>>383537447
>Assuming you wouldn't steal the game once you realized it's good is a greater assumption than assuming you would.
So says you, you don't speak for everyone. All you've done is display to me that you're not a responsible individual and that you can;t be trusted, how is this my problem?

>>383537343
Why cars and action figures, and nothing else?

le lol le test

>>383531791
The entirety of the True Lab. That shit sold the pacifist run for me, because the tone-shift was fucking intense. Amalgamates were legitimately creepy and sad.

>>383537864
>I can't be trusted because I refuse to steal even if I plan on returning or paying for it later

If you were baiting I'd have a good laugh.

But you're not, you're being sincere, and that's really upsetting because I (somewhat) associate myself with you people.

le other test

>>383537974
High quality test. Now fuck off to reddit for even trying.

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>>383537864
>I want attention
>I've already said I don't care about your justifications
>I literally told you that replying to me wasn't worth anything
Autism at work, folks.

>>383531791
I loved the Dummy battle just because Napstablook's fight was my favorite song from the demo way back when, and that remix is pretty sick.

Best part is the contrast between a pacifist and genocide playthrough, going from the power of friendship to absolute dread and suffering is great

>>383530575
It's one of those games you've gotta tell the fanbase to get the fuck out so you can play the game

>>383538375
Nigger double spacing has been pounded into my head from the moment schools started teaching us to type, are you people fucking stupid with this "Reddit spacing" meme or what?

>>383538068
Attacking my character with your hilarious remarks is not an argument. Copyright violation is not theft, you're welcome to debate why copyright violatio nshould exist and why people should respect it and I will make the same arguments against it as I've done, but it's unfair to just assert that unwanted copying is the same as theft, it's not and never has been, the key here is that these goods are non-tangible, it's an important distinction and one you're ignoring on purpose to suite your position. I'm not going to get pissy with anyone who disagrees as long as they have a valid reason, falsely asserting that 2 distinct things are one and the same is not valid.

>>383538247
I remain unconvinced, at least you're honest about your own worth. I wish you would have said that up front. If you yourself don't think what you have to say has any value why say it in the first place, this is why I assume you're only after attention, what else could you have wanted?

>>383538375
It's not Reddit spacing, it's CORRECT spacing.

This is the worst meme to ever come out of 4chan. While others are wrong, or low effort, this one is wrong AND low effort.

The actual gameplay is boring as piss. Most turn-based RPGs make the combat fun by requiring strategy, but Undertale forgoes strategy in favor of a mediocre bullet hell minigame which is too easy. The only reason to play it is for the story, but if you're gonna do that you'd might as well save yourself some money and just watch a Let's Play.

>>383538375
I was going to say that complaining about spacing is retarded, but that post is garbage so I'm fine with shitting on him

>>383538529
Yeah yeah it's not technically stealing because there isn't an absence of the thing after you pirate it. It's not technically stealing, it's practically stealing, fucking troglodyte.

>attacking my character

You're literally a self-proclaimed thief.

>>383538617
>CORRECT spacing
No fucking way, it makes reading an actual chore, it's harder to follow and looks ridiculous while wasting all that space. Post like that are bound to be ignored.

>>383538375

>reddit spacing

ugh


this meme again..... -_-

>>383531125
>I thought the game died and would stop being discussed after a port was announced

what a retard

>>383530575
If you enjoyed Earthbound, Yume Nikki, Cave Story, OFF, or the music of Homestuck to some extent, then for 5$ it's a pretty fun, short ride.

If the stuff I mentioned above made you cringe then you can probably skip it.

>>383538724
While I will agree that he probably overdid it, breaks in lines of text are required to remain fluent. When you're done making a point, make a break.

>>383538491
It's a forced meme that was made for easily impressionable newfags. Now they use it all the time. Enter frogposter-kun here >>383538375

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>>383538529
I'm not talking about my own worth, anon. I'm talking about the worth of this conversation (or, rather, the lack thereof). Epic burn, tho. You really are my intellectual superior. Through 4chan you have bested me :^)

>>383535141
Sans is genuinely great character, but he's definitely overrated by the tumblr fanbase.

>Toby really dropped the ball by essentially making every single arc in this game a retread of the same "Here's a few characters and how they interact with you but not with anybody else"
He really did. It sucks how all the Neutral routes are basically the same, the only difference being a few lines of dialogue after beating Asgore.

>>383538683
>You're literally a self-proclaimed thief.
YOU'LL NEVER SEE IT COMIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGG

>>383538683
It's a pretty important distinction, it's the literal crux of the whole argument. If the producer in fact did lose their product (even temporarily) in the process then I wouldn't agree with this practice, the fact of the matter though, is that they don't. That's pretty important.

>You're literally a self-proclaimed thief.
I am simply a capitalist who wants better consumer rights, fuck me though, I should be looking out for the big guys instead of the majority.

>>383538724
Anon I know you haven't has to write anything outside of Facebook and 4chan for the past eight years but some of us work in offices and shit and when you have to be professional about something so minor all the damn time it becomes difficult to stop.

It is the right way for everything that isn't fucking garbage meme sites like this one, and quite frankly I don't give the tiniest of fucks how many spacing changes post quality here, I'm doing what every educated young adult has been doing since they were a child and has become comfortable with.

>>383531791
Asgore fight, the music, eating the pie

>>383538818
I'm just here to pass the time and talk about video games, why do you chose to be so negative? If you don't like the conversation, then drop out, obviously I intend on continuing it, if you reply to me I'll reply in return, what else would you expect? If you don't want to talk about it anymore then don't. This isn't reddit, you don't have to resort in ironic humor for points here when you're done. You can just like, talk about something else with someone else.

>>383538912
Yeah man some indie game developer is totally made of a swiny conglomerate of wealthy jews, good job fucking sticking it to them, keep doing god's work

>>383538724
>it makes reading an actual chore
Do you have to scroll? Is it always phoneposters who complain about that spacing?
Chore seems like a crazy word to use for something this small.

>>383533219
>>383532349
You're both right

>>383536350
That's what started it. Then /v/ discovered the weird tumblr stuff and the shitposts were too good to pass up.

>>383538912
>looking out for the big guys

This is a thread about INDIE GAMES YOU retarded fucking libertarian.

>>383538912
>Big guys
>Undertale
You've lost.

>>383539130
Because indie devs are the majority of the producers in this market. As if they deserve to get a free pass as the minority anyway. If you make a shit product, don't expect to get paid for it. I feel like that's a reasonable statement to make. If a product is shit the producer shouldn't be endorsed for it.

Feel free to explain to me why indie devs should get a free pass on criticism and evaluation though.

>>383539327
If you want to widdle it down to this game specifically then I'll say you have no ground to stand on whatsoever, do you see the sales numbers on this game?

>>383539432
As I said already >>383534878
>While it may be true for this game I was making a response to the general issue of the poster
This whole reply chain is tied to the general issue that the poster proposed and that was in essence that "piracy is inherently bad", which it is not, even in this case.

>>383533572
>Only massive retards believe this thing was trying to be progressive and push an agenda.
based on interviews i've read i think the dev was surprised people read it that way, and just kept his mouth shut for tumblr bux

>>383537464
It's not as good but still one of the better games of that year

>>383539683
Piracy isn't inherently bad, I suppose, but with no way to hold the pirate accountable it's more harmful than helpful. A giant mech suit with military-grade weapons isn't inherently bad, but nothing stops the person piloting it from flattening a town.

People who say that the game is good but the fanbase is shit ignores the way the game practically demands to be analyzed, and therefore discussed

>>383531791
>you're blue now

>>383540023
So instead of going to tumblr or reddit, try a website that isn't full of people you hate instead

It is both and there is nothing wrong with that.

>>383530575
It's a great game, but sadly, you missed the boat long ago.

It was a game that really only had as great of an impact as it did during period it was released. Shit's been overhyped to hell and back since, so everybody goes into it with super high expectations and comes out disappointed as a result.

It's a game where going into it completely blind (not even knowing what it was) is really the only way to fully experience it, and that's impossible now.

>>383539925
You're not wrong, the unfortunate reality is that there's no better practical option currently. While I think this stuff is old enough for us to understand the terms better, it's still young enough for us to not have figured out a solution to these problems that most people agree with.

If there was some magical way to force people to buy it if they enjoyed it, then there'd be no issue, but we don't have that yet. It would be great if everyone was responsible but it just isn't. In the meantime we all have to weigh in and try things to see if we can come to some kind of compromise or solution. The "try before you buy" proposal is the one I like the most because it seems least harmful to everyone involved but some may disagree, I've yet to see a better model though. Some people propose that all games should be free with optional donations, this is a modest concept that is basically the same thing but I don't see that becoming the norm anytime soon, although there are people that do this and have done this for a while, a good example is Dwarf Fortress as an old one and anything(anyone) that gets supported via Patreon today.

I'm not going to try and say my proposed solution is good, it just seems like the best practical option right now, in my opinion. I like to hear the responses of other people on the topic, if there's a legitimately better thing, I'd like to hear about it. I'm interested to see where the market moves.

>>383534047
>but I wish this fucking tumblr meme would die
well I wish fucking tumblr would die. I'm tired of cunt landwhales having a space to whine, and echo off of each other such that it leaks out elsewhere

>>383540207
Which is why they would want to discuss it here,, even though they know the rest of /v/ hates it.

>>383540490

4chan is a much, much worse example of a destructive echo chamber.

>>383540514
>the rest of /v/ hates it
There's an extremely loud hatebase (some didn't like it, some are political shitposters) but that isn't true overall, read the thread

>>383540486
That's just the thing, you aren't one of those people. You don't pirate games and then buy them later. It's not an assumptiom, it's the standard.

>>383539683
Whether or not a product is shit is subjective. You already experienced the product when you played it. Whether or not the person who made it CHOOSES to give you some kind of refund if you hated that product is their goddamn choice alone.

You don't get to decide which games are worth buying and which games aren't. Your ego is so fucking massive I'm suffocating from all the way over here.

>>383540780
Dude.

>>383540739
It does explain the saturation of analysis videos though, and why the fanbase FOR undertale is also so loud. They are very proud of the fact they unlocked some sort of secret that was very obvious

>>383530575
I didn't know tumblr was an antonym of fun.

its the best indie RPG ever made

>>383540486
Even your magical little system is flawed.

>steal game

>ah I'll buy it later if it isn't shit

>play game

>find little nitpicks in otherwise good game

>now justified in your thievery, you didn't steal, you're just a good consumer

>>383530575

It was neat and I thought it was worth playing, but it lacked a lot of elements to make it an actually fun game; the RPG elements were lacking and the game had little substance while actually playing it.

The game is carried by its setting, story, and characters, which aren't even particularly amazing anyways, and everything else suffers quite a bit.

I would have been annoyed if it hadn't been gifted to me, but I did ultimately enjoy playing it.

It could have been a much better game potentially if it had been a bigger project.

>>383540983
>Whether or not the person who made it CHOOSES to give you some kind of refund if you hated that product is their goddamn choice alone.
It shouldn't be, that's the problem. Consumers have basic rights in almost every other market, why is this one the exception?

>You don't get to decide which games are worth buying and which games aren't.
Why should someone decide for me and you?

>Your ego is so fucking massive I'm suffocating from all the way over here.
Is it actually egotistical to fall in line with the standards of our society? Capitalism only works if we play by the rules, evaluating products is a huge part of this, where the wealth flows is a huge part of this as well. These things legitimately control the industry and the people who have that control should be the consumers(who are the majority) not the producers. Why is that so bad, to not want to be controlled or shoe horned, to demand that people make quality works?

>>383541247
How is that flawed? If that's someones standard then it's their standard.You can blast them for having insane standards but you shouldn't blast the concept. On Steam in the US and the EU you can do this legitimately right now with their refund system, as long as you have played the game for 2 hours or less you can just say "didn't like it" and they'll refund you. What is and isn't worth someones money is highly personal and subjective.

>>383541169
Is it an RPG though?

How would one go about immersing themselves in a game that tries so hard to remind you that it's a video game?

RPG would imply the gameplay was the main point of undertale.

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>>383541587
>Why should someone decide for me and you?
PRE ORDER THE FUCKING GAME

>>383541587
>consumers have basic rights in every other system

Guaranteed refunds for picky assholes aren't fucking one of them and you're dumb if you think it should be.

>>383541656
>RPG would imply the gameplay was the main point of undertale.
it has more gameplay than 99% of JRPG's

>>383541729
Objectively wrong.

>>383530575
It's fun for two or three playthroughs if you go into it with low expectations, because it's like $10. Literally the entire backlash of the game hasn't been to the game itself, but by how much people have overhyped the fuck out of it.

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>>383541729
>Excuse me waiter, I asked for rare, this pizza is medium-rare

>>383541697
kill yourself underage

>>383541587
This is the most educated nigger ive ever seen.

Nigga's gonna quantum compute himself his neighbor's t.v. or something I swear, and then convince the court it wasn't actually stealing.

Nigga's a menace to society.

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>>383530575
Has the hottest nerd ever

>>383541656
outside of the boss fights, most of undertale feels more like an adventure game or a VN than an RPG, but i agree with this anon >>383541820

>>383530575
Tumblr. The game is complete trash if you're looking for an RPG or a bullet hell like the game somewhat advertises itself as

>>383541824
Objectively right.
>>383541927
A restaurant bringing you more food if it's fucked up isn't a right, it's a courtesy.

>>383541820
Maybe after the year 2004

>>383542075
>JRPGs before 2004 weren't also menu simulators

>>383542049
It's way more common for someone to accept a product return in almost any other market for any subjective reason, than it is in video games, which is terrible because it didn't used to be like that. "I didn't like it" used to be a valid return excuse and you used to have days with games from retail stores, try that shit today and you'll get 10% of the value in store credit, that's real fair.

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>>383541971
>fanart

>>383540780

The standard is that pirates buy more stuff though.

https://torrentfreak.com/0-more-on-content-than-honest-consumers-130510/

>>383542195
>Undertale isn't a menu simulator 90% of the time

Undying and Sans are the only enemies that require effort in that game

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>>383541971
no

>>383542234
Stop advocating for consumer rights. Stop promoting good video game practices for video game players.

>>383542320
Stop exposing the truth.

>>383542384
the varying difficulty doesn't change the fact that you do more than navigate menus

>>383542234
>It's way more common for someone to accept a product return in almost any other market for any subjective reason, than it is in video games

Because the real reasons behind it are much easier to verify. You can prove somebody didn't eat the food they didn't like, you can't prove somebody didn't complete a video g-

Oh wait, you can, and most digital distribution services have measures for this exact fucking specific instance and your complaints are invalid.

>it used to be so easy
Because it was a new medium and retailers didn't understand yet.

>>383542509
Just because it requires the bare minimum of cognitive action doesn't make it any more difficult than a standard JRPG

Hell, active time battle is more engaging than Undertale's turnbased shit

It's fun but short.

>>383542320
Guarantee most of those numbers come from China.

You know, the country that literally lacks morals and who's people will let children slowly die in the street.

But you know if everyone's being a fucking charlatan why not you too.

>>383542641
it's like 10 hours

>>383541971
post more thic nerd lizard

>>383542587
>just because a game can be completed that makes it worth it
Talk about invalid arguments. Are people who complain about games that are less than 2 hours long not justified? Just because someone completes a game doesn't mean it was a good game, it doesn't even mean they enjoyed it, it just means the game was completed, plain and simple. I'll be surprised if you say you've never completed a game and said to someone "that game isn't worth it".

>>383542730
That isn't short?

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>Want to fuck Sans
>Look at his porn
>Don't feel aroused
>Can't fap

What is this feeling?

>>383542772
No. It's not long, but it's a bit of a stretch to call it short

>>383542686
>hasty generalizations based on race and geographical standing
>assuming the association on top of that
wew lad

>>383542763
>if somebody sat through an entire expetience (video game, movie, food) and didn't like it, they shouldn't have to pay for it

What a fucking disgusting snob you must be irl.

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>>383542686
>I didn't even take a cursory glance at the link: the post

>>383542772
It's 10 hours to get what's essentially 100%

Pacifist campaign's like 6-7 hours and Genocide's 2 + how long it takes you to beat Undying and Sans

>>383542856
Feel free to make your case as to why they should pay for it, I'm open to hear it as you haven't stated it yet. Why should I endorse something that I perceive has no value? As a consumer do I not have the right to decide this?

>>383542632
the claim was "it has more gameplay" not "it's harder" (as if any grindy JRPG is difficult)

>>383542772
that's a decent length for $10-15 or whatever it was

>>383543016
It has gameplay in the same way Snake is considered a video game

>>383543047
You're not even talking about Undertale at this point, fuck off

>>383543047
>losing an argument
>I better shit talk the Chinese
Even if this were true how does it relate?

>>383542997
Because whether or not they liked it, somebody worked on it and deserves to be compensated.

If somebody sat through something they don't like, it's entirely their fault. If it wasn't what they were expecting, they know now not to purchase something from that producer again.

I think it's pretty good, /v/ tends to dislike it because it got popular and doesn't want to share the same opinion those embarassing people who write fan-fiction and stuff have, in my opinion it feels different than most of nowadays games, had it's flaws for sure but still it was pretty fun and also the LGBT stuff wasn't forced so i'm neutral towards it i guess.

>>383543107
snake is a video game with actual gameplay, so thanks for agreeing with me i guess

It's pretty decent, especially for an indie game

>>383530575
tumblr.

>>383542997
You do decide this. You decide this by buying it or not buying it.

Buying
Or not buying

That's your vote, and there's no fucking in between.

>>383543191
In Snake you move your snake to collect dots and make yourself longer while avoiding walls and your own body

What makes it any different than menu crawling when you're moving through menus during your turn to attack your opponent so you don't die? Especially during active time battle systems

>>383531791
Seriously, every boss battle is enjoyable or unique in some way

>>383543143
>somebody worked on it and deserves to be compensated.
Why? "Deserves" is subjective to the beholder. I could spend a lot of time on a film that's utter tripe, does it mean I deserve money for my toil and effort? No. I deserve to be compensated for the quality of my work, not the fact that I have done work. We live in a capitalistic society where the valuable get wealth, not a communistic one where everyone is entitled to some piece of the pie whether they contribute something meaningful or not.

>they know now not to purchase something from that producer again.
The problem lies in the fact that the producer already has their money, this is the biggest problem, like it or not you just supported something you think doesn't deserve it. People like to assume that getting a free pass is the point of these arguments, the actual point is preventing the undeserving from accruing funds.

>>383543264
That's what people like me do, we buy what's valuable and we don't buy what's not. You should have no problem with us.

>>383543131
>>383543131
I'm replying to multiple people retard.

I'm not even arguing with you. I was arguing with the other poster. I'm not going to acknowledgr to ever single last thing you post nigger. I addressed the first thing i read.

>>383543331
real-time moving and dodging things vs navigating menus. this isn't a difficult concept, maybe it is for final fantasy fans

>>383542841
Necrophilia

>>383543478
>people like me
>we
>us
Stop LARPing anon

>>383543551
>shit talking an entire race regardless
wew lad

>>383543617
What are you implying, that people don't pirate games? What's the issue then?

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>>383535287
Stop trying to justify pirating games you shit. Christ, I couldn't give a shit if every single game you have is pirated but when you start trying to excuse yourself for it you can honestly go fuck your mother.

>>383543478
>the producer already has their money

>That's the biggest problem

It's funny when you can spot autism.

It really bothers you when people scam idiots, doesn't it? When stupid people do stupid shit and somebody profits, you don't get angry at the stupid people, you get angry at the guy who profited.

That probably doesn't even sound wrong to you. That sounds like how it should be to you.

>>383543478
>That's what people like me Do

No, you steal.

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>>383543727
Most people that pirate don't spend hours defending themselves in a /v/ thread, fag.

>>383543949
Because most people who pirate just know "Yeah, I am stealing this, and fuck the people I'm stealing this from" instead of coming up with disgusting justifiactions for how piracy =/= thievery.

But these people were rampant in days old.

>>383532315
>singleplayer game

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what you're supposed to do unless the game is just an all time favorite.

>>383536350
More like shitposters saw that [game heavily dicussed on /v/] had a higher score on [website] than [other game heavily discussed on /v/] and made a gazillion threads about it without having either game, nor any plans to play them.

>>383544105
Literally this. Not sure why this anti-hero libertarian faggot thinks he's above those that just accept their thievery.

>>383543612

What about when you need to dodge things that pop up in your menu in the Sans fight?

>>383530575
Game is good, not great, community is shit. Tumblr sucks all the joy out of every fandom they occupy. It's why the Overwatch discourse is such a nightmare.

I enjoy the Goatmom porn on e621

>>383543816
>>383543478
You know what I've gone out and smoked and I've since calmed down, I'm sorry I called you an autist, I'm sure you arent. When I was a teenager I would have agreed with you. Its just frustrating to me how people de-humanize anyone who's making money and think it's OK to take away THEIR rights in favor of consumer rights.

Like, maybe sometimes it could be but certainly not when it comes to piracy.

>>383544242
what about it? i don't understand what you're trying to argue, additional pressure in no way changes how undertale is different from games like ff

>>383542423
Never talk about my little sister like that ever again

>>383538491
>I'm so young that my school offered typing classes

>>383544558

Well that section has elements of both "real-time dodging and moving things" as well as navigating menus, amusingly enough, so I thought I would bring it up.

>>383544850
I'm 25

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>>383543784
How about no? You might be alright with this injustice but not everyone is, your tired old memes aren't going to help you anymore. Here's the translated version you might understand better.
Stop saying things I don't like, I couldn't care less but let me continue to explain how I care about what you're doing, it annoys me so much, I literally can't handle it when people challenge my world view, you can honestly go fuck yourself.

>>383543816
>It really bothers you when people scam idiots, doesn't it?
It affects the entire industry, it's the reason why bad products continue to exist. People want to sit here and champion for the little guy while saying it's fine for the bigger guys to take their share through pure accident.


>That probably doesn't even sound wrong to you
Explain how it's right? Conning people is wrong and also criminal, this doesn't feel any different to me. People sit here and call me a theif but you're blatantly stating that these people are being tricked out of their money.

>>383543909
Wrong, feel free to read the thread and I'll reply seriously if you make a serious post yourself.

>>383543949
Not my fault they don't care. I don't see how it's defensive at all either, it's simply another perspective on the issue. I have 0 reason to justify my actions just like you don't have to either, the only reason for expressing our reasoning is for discussion on the topic. Talk about autism, you don't even grok basic conversation.

>>383544963
>Religious imagery
I think it's time to go back to your containment board.

>>383544850
Typing classes that used keyboards have been around for at least two decades. Let alone the ones that used typewriters, which have been around for much longer.

>>383544963
No, they aren't being tricked out of their money, but if they were it's their own fault.

They bought a video game. If the game wasn't so broken it was unplayable or something, they got exactly what they payed for whether they liked the video game or not.

Like I've said, in my entire life I've never purchased a bad game. I've purchased games that dissapointed me, games that didn't reach my original expectations, but never one where I could say that the people who made it didn't deserve my money.

Don't be a dumb consumer and you too may be able to make confident purchases one day without having to steal it first.

Like, seriously, what games have you played recently that were so bad you felt the person who made it didn't deserve compensation? Because I guarantee You're already scraping the bottom of the barrel.

>>383530575
>Is undertale actually fun or is it tumblr?

It's autism food mixed with fanfic fuel. It's only remotely Tumblr at that.

>>383544538
I'm not thin skinned, obviously, no hard feelings. I just want you to think about what you said though
>de-humanize anyone who's making money
This alone is what makes me think the scales should be re-balanced, producers are already secure enough, they're the ones doing the taking, they don't need any more protection, especially when we're talking about consumer rights where this party is literally giving their money away, a token of their time and toil, it's one of the most important things to people. Talk about dehumanizing, look at this thread and how little people care about the consumer, take into account most of these people are consumers themselves, and video game players, on a video game board. We're talking about something that affects the entire industry and directly effects the players as a result, and they sit here and attack anyone who gives a damn and wishes for something better. It's awful to see it, people can disagree with me all they want, that's fine, but as I said before I see no better alternative right now, and instead of presenting them people simply wish to dismantle the one I have proposed without any alternative, they don't even defend the producers or their tactic, they just shit on fellow consumers, over and over again. To think people get bent out of shape for people possibly upsetting the producers is baffling to me.

I just want to be clear that I'm not anti producer, I'm just anti bad producers. I simply don't want consumers to get tricked into giving money to a producer who dosn't deserve it, if a producer deserves it, there's no problem, but it seems like a lot of the time they don't and there's nothing a consumer can do about it, and if they're unhappy about this, the general response seems to be "who cares?", as if we shouldn't strive for something better.

>>383545291
Dude, you might be genuine but I don't think so, I'm real sorry for not giving you the benefit of the doubt but if you check the reply chain I hope you understand why. You can take this one as a "no contest" concede. I don't feel like putting more effort into a serious response just for someones amusement in wasting my time. If you'd like to know why I'll point them out
>but if they were it's their own fault
> I've never purchased a bad game. I've purchased games that dissapointed me
Statements like these are too sketchy, I fail to believe they are serious and I've already given my fair share of (you)'s to people earlier.

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>>383545050

>>383545794
>they're the ones doing the taking

No no, we're the ones doing the giving. An important distinction.

I really don't think consumers need as much protection as they used to. The internet exists and solves almost all those problems. If you were smart and made sure to actually look into shit you feel doubtful about, I couldn't possibly imagine how somebody would actually go about successfully scamming you.

That's why people who do get scammed are idiots, and when they do give money to a producers who don't deserve it, it doesn't effect the rest of us.

If you're talking about AAA shit remember most people are normies and love exactly what the majority of /v/ think are garbage games that don't deserve our money.

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>>383546170
>You're either a shill or a child
>Only pirates are the real gamers
HAHAHAHAHA
IT REALLY IS TIME FOR YOU TO GO BACK.

>>383546024
Now that's just a fucking copout

>I think You're faking and I don't want to waste my time anymore

Would be valid if I wasn't actually addressing what you say, but whatever dude.

>/biz/ ruins yet another thread

>>383546536
Literally
>You can take this one as a "no contest" concede.
And
>I'm real sorry for not giving you the benefit of the doubt
Have some understanding, it's /v/ and I've been at this for like an hour.

>>383530575
Yes its fun and charming, you should play it

>>383540092
>THAT'S MY ATTACK

>>383530959
>fun is superficial

I like this pasta

>>383531791
>the wind is howling

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>>383531791
One? Here's a bunch

>While the Toriel fight is kind of annoying in that you have to just keep choosing "spare" to win it without killing her, the music, atmosphere, and situation of it is great. If you get too low on health she starts making her fire intentionally miss you because she doesn't wanna kill you.
>The Papyrus fight
>The Mad Dummy Fight
>The music box in waterfall
>*Undyne suplexes a boulder, just because she can.
>*Undyne heroically points to the sky while she thinks about her friends
>Becoming friends with her is great
>Tosses her fucking spear at you if you try to get up from the table
>stomps so hard that pasta ingredients fall from the ceiling.
>makes you go fucking HAM while cooking and burning down her house in the process
>if you call Papyrus right after you finish the event she's already run all the way there
>pretty much all the Mettaton segments
>Mettaton's boss fight is some of the best fucking shit in the game. It's actually hard and it's fun as shit to jojo pose around to win the fight.
>*Despite being injured, you posed dramatically. The audience cheers.
>The entire encounter with Asgore is so tense and sad, and his boss fight has one of the best songs in the game. I still find myself humming the melody.
>*Recollection flashed in his eyes.
>Asgore's ATTACK dropped
>Asgore's DEFENSE dropped

How about that shit?

>>383548105

A lot of that is cringe city.

>>383548289
If you're the type of dried husk of a man who finds having fun cringey, I guess it is. And that's most of /v/, so...

>>383531791
I'll just list the first things I remember

Snail race
Candy bowl in the beginning
Mettaton's essay
Papyrus's date
Meeting Sans in the hotel
Meeting Sans and papyrus for the first time

I mean I could go on. Most of what i remember first might seem like cringy humor to some but thats because we've all seen it so much now. On my first playthrough Undertale is the only game that actually had me laughing loudly, a few other games had maybe elicited a smile but that was about it. Now I can't even force myself to enjoy undertale, but I still know it's only because I was burnt out on it within a year due to it being fucking everywhere, not because the game was bad or anything.

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posting best boss fight

>>383548698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMa4hZQbrms

>>383548698
You can try and be a contrarian and say it isn't Sans, but it's Sans. Come on. That fight is the biggest highlight of the entire game.

>>383548930
>too hard on purpose
>edgy fucking "nothin personnel kid" shit
>literally teleports behind you
Yeah sure.

>>383531791
Killing Toriel by accident (which the designer planned for people to do), then reloading to figure out how not to kill her, and having the game remember you did.

It's honestly a shame more games don't take advantage of "sneaky" save files. There's so many little things you can do on a PC (like leaving cheeky text files) that people don't seem to take advantage of.

nu-/v/ will say it's a good game. This is the same people playing shit like PUBG and other streamer bait games

>>383549793
/v/ was the *very* first to love it, basically as soon as the fucking demo was available.

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>>383530575
Threadly reminder (S)he did nothing wrong.

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>>383537201
>Looks terrible in the game
>Fan art makes her look cute
How is this possible?

>>383550028
No they were not, it got mostly shitted on

>>383531125
nice reddit spacing shitlord

>>383549051
>too hard on purpose

If you've played a single real bullet hell game in your life that was mildly spicy at most.

Also if you somehow think sans is edgy that's pretty laughable. Make sure you look at the actual game and nothing but the game and exclude any thoughts that may be vague memories of what fans produced.

>literally teleports behind you
Remember Toby is a regular on /a/ at the LEAST, I'm sure he knows

>>383550230
Yeah they were. When the game was released they thought it was refreshing and charming. Metal Gear fags were assblasted though because it got a higher score than whatever MG game came out at the time.

>>383550230
You're pretty damn wrong, guy. I really don't know what else to say, I was there and that's just a lie.

>>383550417
>>383550489
Oh yeah of course it was only the metal gear fans hating it, any hate it got was obviously from them.
I was also there and outside blatant shilling nearly everyone hated on it

>>383532232
It's pretty good. I liked it a lot. It's pretty much what Life Is Strange was trying to do but (IMO) failed to really capture. Has a great soundtrack too. There are a few counter-intuitive moments in the game though, and I can see why some people wouldn't like it since it can get a bit repetitive.

>>383550417
Im not even talking about the release, I'm talking about when the demo came out a year before that. It was so unheard of I really think /v/ played a big role in it rising to popularity.

>>383534025
This sums the whole thing up nicely actually.

>>383550594
Uh, no the metal gear thing is a meme and I didn't say anything about it. The fact that you quoted me and said that is retarded and so are you.

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>>383534492
Nah, I'll be playing shit for free if it's all the same to you.
Most of it is so low quality stuff that it's me who should be paid for spending my time and bandwidth on it.

>>383550694
>Toby Fox let the top 3 donators contribute ideas for boss monsters

>2 of them were really good, but one was a literal furfag fat fetish self-insert OC

>furfag was biggest donator

>his boss gets put in a hidden corner and only appears without cheating for literally one hour out of the entire year, has shitty repetitive attacks and an annoying 30 second loop for a theme

>literally spouts "I'm sorry"

>meanwhile Muffet, another donator boss is one of the best in the game with great music and a unique fight

But yeah Toby pandered to furfags

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>>383551149
>Reddit spacing
>defending Tumblr/Reddit game

>>383548930
>IWBTG tier design
>lol it's harder and so it's better

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>>383551485
>>Reddit spacing
I really, really love this meme.

>>383551485
>Reddit spacing

A meme exclusive to children who were never taught how to type properly

>>383550594
>of course it was only the metal gear fans hating it
Can you point out the part of my post where I said only MGfags hated it and not any group? Because all I said was they were assblasted, I never said no one else hated it.

Re: 383551485
>reddit spacing meme
You don't even deserve this quasi-(You).

>>383551596
>people who actually had trouble with the Sans fight

Holy shit are you bad.

I mean I understand getting caught off guard by the first and last attacks the first time you run into each but that's fucking it.

>>383551823
Oh wow. You're so good at video games anon.

Boring shit

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Undertale is much more than a game, it's a philosophical masterpiece, it's a game that has changed so many lives.
If people that has not played this before see this game hated on a thread they might think that this is just a game when it's so much more. People seeing this thread won't get the feel of all the deep characters or choices you have to make, I'm so afraid people will get the wrong impression from Undertale, because Undertale is so much more than just a game.

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>>383551823
It's not about it being hard, it's about being fun.
Undyne was an objectively superior fight

>>383552030
Fuck off Chase.

>>383551485
I have to wonder

if perhaps this is not

something you would have be from

Reddit to

know about.

>>383532696
good thing its only 10

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>>383536835
ok so here is my guide to not being dissapointed in a game. It has never failed me but keep in mind I'm a person who can enjoy a 6/10 if I knew what I was getting into.

first look at the genre, is this a genre I can get into or am in the mood for?

then watch some gameplay videos. not pre-built trailers but actual gameplay videos to see if it's something i'd like to try or if it looks like it has a chance of satisfying whatever game craving I might have.

now the important part is to read numerous user reviews. All you are looking for is repeated instances of particular complaints. not one single person saying something but just specific complaints that show up a lot. if you are looking for a single player game and a lot of the complaints are "but the multiplayer is dead" or bad or whatever then who fucking cares and same for the oposite.

and last if it's a legitimate financial burden for you to buy a fucking video game then either wait or pirate it and dont worry about justifying it because you know you just want to enjoy something and lets face it being broke is depressing.

NEVER FUCKING LET DOWN HOLY SHIT YOU MADE AN EDUCATED DECISION

>>383551904
Yes, I am very good at bullet hell style games, but that's beside the point. Undertale was too easy.
That was probably one of the game's biggest problems, is that it was too fucking easy and didn't get harder on repeat playthroughs. I don't think I died outside of Undyne and Sans at all.

Oh those fucking axe dogs got me at first, I didn't think there would be enough time to slide under the axes so I didn't try.

>>383552065
Undyne and Sans follow the same predictable patterns, but Sans has substantially more variety and amusing gimmicks. Undyne is just memorizing a rhythm game song without the rhythm.

>>383544850
My grandma had typing classes in the 1940s.

>>383552065
But it was fun.

I don't know if other games ever utilized this but when I realized he was attacking me in the menus I fucking shit

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>>383552065
https://youtu.be/w6ByPdooA_4
You've got good taste in seafood anon.

>>383530575
Both. I've found it's pretty fucking good, but it is a bit pretentious at times. Worth a shot given how cheap it is.

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Thoughts on twink goat?

>>383552819
He's cute

platonically

Undertale would have been 100x better as a rhythm game, and it's already decent.

>>383552212

>Yes, I am very good at bullet hell style games, but that's beside the point. Undertale was too easy.

How does one person have this little self-awareness?

>>383553327
What are you trying to argue that undertale isn't a bullet hell style game? Because that's exactly what the actual combat is. I've seen this meme before, it hasn't aged well.