TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT

Post favorite weapons

>>383525987
About to be the Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol.

Grabbed a strange at 1.55 ref right when the patch notes were teased.

I-it'll go u-up. I k-know i-it.

>>383525987
stock

>>383525987
fish

https://youtu.be/0g3l1H7WrRo

post tf2 vidyos

Remember when TF2 used to look like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_c3iQImXZg

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1 YEAR, 4 DAYS
GIVE IT UP FOR 1 YEAR, 4 DAYS SINCE MYM WAS ANNOUNCED

>>383526419
Engie mains, everybody

>>383526571
Mann Yersus Machine?

>>383526232
>not buying pocket pistols for 1.55 and selling them on the steam market during the huge price spike
pleb, it doubled in price on the market.

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Name a good community server with classic game modes and an active community but without ads.

Protip : you can't.

TF2 is dead.

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TONIGHT'S... THE NIGHT

>>383526986
quickplay!
oh wait

>>383527058
>community server
>active community

>>383526986
nothing is wrong with ads. servers aren't free

>>383527167
quickplay would allow you to go to community servers
valve servers were objectively better than community servers and that's why they were played more
everything I say is true, search your heart
>no ads
>no madmins
>no premium bullshit
and more

>>383526419
kino

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you do record your sick TF2 frags, right /v/??

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As someone who's been playing TF2 for almost 9 years, i advice you not to get excited, don't do what i did.

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>>383526986
>ads
>not disabling MOTD's
Dumbass

>>383527543
I don't think the other updates were god awful, it was only MyM update that ruined everything.

>>383527628
>avoiding the question

>>383525987
original

>>383527689
end of the line was a shitshow too

what was pre-f2p like?

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>tf2 updates
>it's just localization files
>mfw

>>383528037
Just how many times do they need to update those files?
What's in those files?

>>383527441
Is this highertower? This is hilarious.

>>383527310
>nobody talking on their mics and 3/4 of the team is braindead

>>383527964
Not as godlike as everyone proclaimed it to be but still pretty good.
t. 2009 and onward TF2 player

>>383528229
They contain all of the game's text, each file with a different language.

>>383527821
How did that update ruin TF2?

>>383527310
/jp/ server was based.

>>383528551
oh, I didn't mean it like that, now i realize my mistake
I was just mentioning another shitty update

>>383526772

No, That will be 5 years ago on my birthday. August 14th

>>383527310
one the best things on community servers were active admins that would immediately kick cheaters and minorities

>>383528551
It didn't ruin the game, but it was anticipated for a long time (over a year, I think?) and ended up being a massive disappointment. Watch as the Pyro/Jungle update suffers the same fate.

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Post >yfw Spy mains start crying that their crutches got taken away
I like spy, and the fact that I'll actually be able to play him again when I don't have to deal with 3 faggots choosing him after I have fills me with joy

>>383528335
>nobody talking on mics
you're supposed to list bad things, 99% of mic users are autists or children
>>383528569
this is true, but i'm pretty sure it's dead
>>383528852
yeah but for every good server with good admins, you have 20 with shitty admins or no option to votekick

>>383527441
That one sniper that tried to block you is a god-damn hero

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>>383528969
>mfw the DDS crutch is also removed
>mfw Snipers are forced to rely on skill again, like the early days

>>383527964
it was great, but it's not the F2Ps that turned the game to shit, quite the opposite actually.
t. 2007+ player

>>383526571
>announced
you mean released

>>383528969
>post yfw they remove the gunboats

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>>383525987
I'm fully expecting Valve to nerf it into the ground because God forbid the Pyro has any fun weapons

>>383529367
Why would you ever use this instead of the flaregun?

>>383525881
we planned to run away together

>>383526494
Chucking dynamite would of been sooo much better than a sticky bomb grenade launcher.

>>383529817
less OP too

>>383529817
would have been*
dumb niggerposter, learn English

>>383527689
2016 as a whole ruined tf2

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>>383529192
>never used DDS, just used Razorback or Jarate because SMG was never overly useful once people got used to cleaning up Snipers quickly
>never had problems taking down other Snipers other than a rare case here and there where they were just outright better than me
>every single game, the other Sniper's death screen is pic related

A crutch doesn't always mean you get the upper hand, thankfully.

>>383529713
Trolling with the knockback.

>>383530085
>dumb niggerposter
Not on my /v/

>>383530298
It's a gimmick weapon

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>new eltorro video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g3l1H7WrRo

>>383530486
There is something endearing about Nintendo music playing in these WACKY FAEC XD videos that redeems the easy laughs.

>>383526348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKBtkvn5WAk&t=40s
the only reason play engie is because im also a texan

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>>383529854
Stickybomb Launcher in its current state is not overpowered. Anyone who thinks so is bad at the game. Demo is considered a mid-tier class in both competitive 6s and competitive HL.

If Demo had a MIRV instead of a stickybomb launcher, he also wouldn't be capable of cool tricks like pic related. So I'm glad he didn't get the MIRV as a stock, though having it as an unlock would be nice.

>>383529713
It's disruptive as fucking hell and lights entire pushes on fire all at once.
I'm not saying it's better than the flaregun because but it is effective.

>>383530842
I didn't say in its current state
but you're mad if you think it was always balanced
>crits always did full damage
>no ramp up
>way more bombs in reserve
>larger blast radius than the RL
for a long time it was batshit insane, now it's just right
>considered mid tier in 6s
that's why demoman is always picked right?

>>383530882
It feels like Flaregun for people without aim
You can do some real cool shit with the flaregun, i'd argue it's better than the RS in quite a few situations

>>383530842
>Considered mid-tier
hahaha that's why noone ever picks demoman amirite?

>>383527689
Mannconomy was awful

>>383530842
>Two primary weapons

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>>383527821
remember when the TF2 team said snowplow was shit? Were they wrong?

>>383531090
Oh yeah it definitely wasn't always balanced, I agree there. Shit used to be downright broken.

>that's why demoman is always picked right?
Demoman is always picked because he is limited to 1. Scout/Soldier are limited to 2 each, so you can give up one of them without losing a unique team role. On the other hand, if you replace Demo, you lose a unique team role entirely.

Stock Demo is roughly as strong as stock Sniper, stock Scout (though he is soft countered by Scout) and stock Soldier.

>>383530085
>caring this much about proper grammar

go take your 'tism elsewhere, guy.

>>383531623
It was okay
I don't think i've played it once since that update though

>>383529713
Opportunity to light groups on fire, disrupt aim and push faggots around at distance.

>>383532081
But you give up on either of the weapons that let you crit combo. I mean, if you're playing just for fun I get it. But few things feel funner than landing flare crits from across the map

>>383531261
see>>383531690
>>383531554
Grenade Launcher might be called Demo's primary, but functionally it's actually his secondary, ever since the nerfs it received in TF2's beta to have its clip size reduced from 6 to 4 and its roller damage reduced from 100 to 60.

Grenade Launcher does 100 (direct) or 60 (roller, with splash falloff) damage per projectile shot every 0.6 seconds, with a clip of 4 before having to reload, and it should be noted that its projectile nature caps its effectiveness at range and makes it more difficult to aim than hitscan.

Shotgun does 90-3 damage per hitscan shot every 0.6 seconds, with a clip of 6 before having to reload.

So as you can see, Shotgun and Grenade Launcher are roughly equivalent in strength. There's a reason that Demo's "primary" slot is used for the same utility items as Soldier's secondary slot (e.g. BASE Jumper).

>>383526348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4FZUlAy-bE

>>383531623
Snowplow was pretty garbage.

>>383531783
Or you could just not be a faggot, and learn to type the language correctly.

>>383531623
It was nice because it was new but I have no idea what your suppose to do

>>383532376
It's just regular Attack/defence.
Nothing confusing about that.

>>383532243
>>383530486

doing stop animation is so tedious and hard. It makes me appreciate these videos even more.

>>383532243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI2JpMCpl3I&t=56s

>>383532482
source filmmaker isn't stop motion

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https://youtu.be/jamuLPfQibU?t=28

>>383529817
I think they just shouldn't have removed grenades, but rather made it so you had to wait through animations of the character preparing them before you throw them so it's a slower process and you can't shoot and throw nades at the same time

>>383532238
Demoman's one weakness is his lack of hitscan weapons. At high levels of play, a demoman is going to be able to destroy any class head on, save for the scout and maybe soldier

>>383532595
Some videos like this use both stop videos and recorded footage of models being shook around in gmod, Like kitty's god rest his soul.
This isn't kitty btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtG_mcBexqk

>>383532595
these weren't made in gmod?

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>all the faggot spy mains with totally quirky nametagged strange knives who will cry about not having a free escape after every stab
>they'll have to actually git gud or stop playing spy now
feels fucking good

>>383532928
>t.engy shitter

why do you hate fun?

>>383532835
newer tf2 videos don't really use gmod when source filmmaker has a much greater depth of cinematic options and it's easier to use with a much bigger payoff, you could use stop motion stuff in it too if you wanted

>>383532979
um I main Medic and Soldier as a secondary, try again sweetie

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>>383532979
cry more tiny baby

>>383528928
Was that the update centered around some sfm video a random dude on youtube made?

>>383532928
>git gud
>Says the guy who was having trouble with dead ringer spies
thanks for the laughs

>>383532717
>At high levels of play, a demoman is going to be able to destroy any class head on, save for the scout and maybe soldier
Well yeah, they're pretty much the central core of TF2 balance since they're the biggest group closest to each other balance-wise. Also don't forget Sniper: He goes 50/50 with Demo if he's out of Demo's range.
TF2's tiers go like this, roughly:
(for stock only)
>S- Medic
>A- Defensive Engineer, Defensive Heavy
>B- Scout, Soldier, Demo, really good non-aimbot Sniper
>C- regular Sniper
>D- Offensive Engineer, Offensive Heavy
>F- Pyro, Spy

>>383532979
t. dr shitter

Here's a classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebw6G6sIeHw

>>383532979
The DR was a crutch for shitty spies, and it was never fun to play against as any class. It was extremely predictable, and spies being able to regain clock with ammo packs with the DR just made them take way longer to deal with than they should.

>>383532979
>b-but it's fun/comfy

>>383532243
I would play a TF2 RPG if it was made like this.

>>383533089
>maining medic, the most boring fucking class

that explains a lot.

what, is the patch dropping tonight or some shit?

>>383533150
nobody "has trouble" with dead ringer spies
they're incredibly obnoxious to fight, and on some maps they just won't fucking stay dead thanks to ammo box placement

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>>383525987
Stock grenade launcher, shooting pipes is extremely fun

>>383533312
then why are you so glad they;re going away? Just shoot twice, once at the spy, once at where they've gone once their invisible.

>>383533292
But being able to Uber a heavy and watch him mow down a sentry nest or kritz a soldier and watch him flood the kill feed is really satisfying senpai, and having your team feel like they're entitled to suck your dick when you're doing well is a nice bonus

>>383525987
Sandvich makes me strong

>>383533157
>defensive engineer that high
Really?
Heavy is useless without medic constantly on him
BTW I main pyro... and you're absolutely right about his ranking

pro tip
mat_phong 0

>>383526986
Nemu's Proving Grounds
Fucked in the Head

>>383533776
>mat_phong 0
what does that do? make everything shiny and bright?

>>383533505
damage reduction

>>383533871
literally the exact opposite

Anybody have the Party Van IP? There was a thread up earlier

>>383533505
>spy at full health pulls out DR
>rocket does like 10 damage
>shoot again where he will be
>doesn't do full damage because lol 20% damage resistance
>have to walk to the nearest ammo box and wait, wasting time
they're predictable
they're unfun
they're annoying
and at least now they will have to use the DR intelligently instead of a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card

>>383527441
Why did they all fall?

>>383533930
why would you want this?

>>383534002
>doesn't do full damage because lol 65% damage resistance

>>383534061
looks good

>>383533129
Yes. And it was unremarkable.

>>383534095
oh right, DR while it's poppsed gives additional resistance

>>383534002
shitters shouldn't talk about game balance

whats going on

>>383534002
>>shoot again where he will be
Spies have 125 health, it;s impossible you don;t manage to kill him within three shots, even with damage resistance

>>383532243
Wow!

>>383534270
then why are you ITT?

>>383533627
>Really?
Yep. That's why in pubs, teams always pick an Engineer on defense, and why in competitive 6s, teams very frequently choose to replace a Soldier or Scout with an Engineer to defend the point (if they've got enough time to set up safely).
Defensive Engineer, given setup time, is a much better class than Soldier or Scout on defense-- his level 3 Sentry is an aimbot which does 578 DPS, and has 215HP which can be healed at a rate of 105HP/s. It forces the enemy to waste a bit more of their Uber than usual taking it down so they can push.
>Heavy is useless without medic constantly on him
Because Medic is S tier, a team who's actually playing TF2 seriously is always, always, always going to have a Medic, so that's not an issue.
On defense, Heavy has 300HP (450 overhealed), 50-550 DPS, and decent range on a hitscan weapon. He's a little less defensive power than Engie but with more mobility and no setup time required.

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>>383532346
>still this angry over a grammatical error

go take your 'tism elsewhere, guy.

Why is there such a lack of TF2 merch?

>>383534270
>literally say how they're just unfun to fight, not difficult
>wow shitter
are you mentally deficient?
>>383534302
DR while popped gives you more than 20% damage resistance, I was actually wrong. You would have to hit the spy 3 times with rockets AFTER popping the DR, and that's assuming he doesn't use his fucking speed boost to escape. DR rewards shitty play.

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>>383525881
Engi's stock pistol.

>>383534589
Even if you can't kill a dm spy (which I don't understand how it can be hard to do) spies have to give up their cloak to get the DR. Which means itll be pretty much impossible for them to actually get a backstab on you.

I think that DR is not overpowered by any means, just annoying to fight against. Spy could be more effective against good players with IW or C&D.

It should have been reworked, not nerfed.

>people still playing this shit game

top fucking kek

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Time for eternal kino:
https://youtu.be/dzMq5_thk4o

>>383531783
>S-stop bullying me for being retarded!
>Achieving, maintaining, and demonstrating even the most basic level of education is autistic!

People like you deserve to be gassed.

>>383534525
>angry
?
If anything, you're the one angry over being corrected.

>>383534840
I'm not saying it's impossible
i'm saying it's annoying how easy it is for them to escape, all I have to do is look behind every 5 seconds or so to see some obvious bald pyro walking toward me, but they're just annoying, if I fire 3 rockets into a fucking spy, I expect him to drop, not to escape and come back 10 seconds later with the DR all over again. It's just annoying to deal with.

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>>383530486
>Demoman sticky trap is literally a bunch of demos
>KA-BEWM
>eltorro outro is inverted

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>>383534981
At least his spirit is being carried on by Burno.

>>383535303
link to example vid?

Anyone remember House of /v/irgins?

>>383535424
explain to me what it was please?

>>383535303
Also, Doctor Lalve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nr-3GfuOKI&t=12s

>>383535350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bNh03LWLXM

>>383534981
>>383535303
Did the cancer take him at last?!

>>383535161
But if not, he'd be an invisible spy that you wouldn't have seen coming. DR spies sacrifice stealth for HP essentially.
Maybe you're playing against plat level spies or something? Idk, didin't really know they could be that big of a problem

>>383535517
He even makes guides like kitty used to do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7crRVEsHj98

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>>383535004
>S-stop bullying me for being retarded!
nice projection.
>Achieving, maintaining, and demonstrating even the most basic level of education is autistic!
No no. Making a big deal out of it, which is what you are clearly displaying surely is. That being said, take you 'tism elsewhere, guy.

>>383535154
Nah, I'm rather amused by it.

how do I headshot, whenever I try to headshot I have this this weird tick on my hand

>>383535749
Oops. I made another mistake. Watch little anon sperg because of it.

>>383525881
Got any sauce for that?

>>383535587
I never said it was a problem anon, I just said they are annoying. They're the complete opposite of a problem, they're easy as piss to kill, but occasionally they slip through the cracks and take more than 5 seconds to dispose of, which is annoying, because when you kill something, you assume it won't be back, but with spies, you always have to assume he will be back within the next 5-10 seconds. And they get annoying to deal with really quickly, especially if the enemy team goes full retard and has like 4 DR spies.
stop putting words in my mouth

>>383527441
Your computer needs first aid.

>>383535976
Idk, under that logic, shouldnt we ban anything that you have trouble killing? It seems p obvious noone else in this thread has a trouble with spies except you. Isn't it more likely that you're the one that needs to change?

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Medic nerfs when?
Engineer and Heavy defensive nerf and offensive buff when?
Pyro skill-based rework and buff when?
Spy support-based buff when?
Escape Plan and Disciplinary Action nerf when?

>>383536070
I never said the DR should be banned you fucking retard, dear god, nor did I say I had trouble killing them, I've been saying the complete opposite, is English not your first language?

>>383536070
it seems pretty fucking obvious everyone itt is anoyed to shit about DR spys except for you

Does anyone else have major frametime and stuttering issues? I have a GTX 1060/i5 4460 and the game constantly chugs for no reason, even with a frame rate cap on. How do I fix this shit?

>>383536158
TF2 is horribly optimized

>>383536097
>Medic nerf when?

You can't nerf medic, he's just too important of a class. Even if you did nerf him into the ground, he still would be useful 99% of the time. Other classes would need other healing options to make him less useful.

>>383536158
TF2 is running on a decade old engine that wasn't meant to support hats and cosmetics.

>>383536369
It's not just that, many models that have been added to the game post-release don't have LODs

>>383536137
No, you just said it should be nerfed because it was annoying you. I'm just saying you should literally git gud at the game.
>>383536153
t. heavy main who never looks backwards
Just because you lack any awareness doesn't mean it should be nerfed. Just be aware of your surroundings and you shut down 100% of spies

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>>383536097
6s is a joke at this point, because the game was never designed around it. Im ok with valve reworking the game/classes so they better support the format, but its valve, so it will be atleast 5 years before we reach that point.

Also 5CP is an awful gamemode and only makes the inherent problems with 6s more apparent

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Pyro is the best class in the game
Prove me wrong

>>383536584
Best as in funnest? Yeah, agreed
It's the weakest class alongside spy
Yet there's still soldier mains who think it needs to be nerfed :^)

>>383536097
>implying this is the team fortress the medic should be nerfed in

>>383536468
why is the TF2 team too lazy/incompetent to fix this?

>>383536484
>No, you just said it should be nerfed because it was annoying you.
Except I never said any of that either
I personally don't give a fuck about the DR, I merely said it was annoying to fight against and rewarded shitters.
If you think i'm >>383532928
Then you're a fucking dumbass

>>383536883
this just in: spy main is a dumbass

what else is new?

>>383536883
Lmao, I replied to that guy saying DR spies were easy to kill, and you came in saying no it took you a bunch of rockets. So it turns out its just that both of you are shit :^)

>>383526348
>the party van in 2017
https://streamable.com/zh0sb

>>383536960
? When did I ever say I was a spy main
Turns out u suck at reading even more than tf2 lol

>>383537012
No you assumed he had trouble killing DR spies
I chimed in saying no one has trouble with them, they are just annoying to fight against. And part of that reason is that they eat damage. Never said it was hard, just annoying. You do know the difference between someone saying
>I have trouble with this thing
vs
>This thing is annoying

>>383536584
Hes just outclassed in everything he does by the other 8 classes. Combine that with the fact that his main weapon is incredibly inconsistent and wonky means that hes basically useless in competitive, even in formats like highlander where he is required.

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>>383536291
>Even if you did nerf him into the ground, he still would be useful 99% of the time
Well that's just not true. To use an example, if Medic only healed for 2HP/sec and Uber only lasted 1 second, he wouldn't be useful 99% of the time.

I'm not saying we should do anything quite that drastic, just using an example.
>>383536547
True but the classes are part of the problem too, not just the game mode.
If Heavy and Engie weren't so strong on defense and weak on offense then CTF and TC would actually work as game modes.
>>383536674
Medic is 100% mandatory if you want to win a game of TF2. That means if your team doesn't have a Medic, but the enemy does, you're forced to play him even if you don't enjoy him, because he turns a bad enemy team into a mediocre enemy team who shits on your bad team. That's a problem and sucks the fun right out of the game.

If we nerf Medic so he is less powerful (nerf his healing rate and passive regen a bit, nerf Medics' ability to heal each other, maybe add some sort of ammunition mechanic to the Medigun to reduce its long-term turtling ability, nerf the Crossbow, Vita-Saw, Solemn Vow and Ubersaw, give the Syringe Gun/Blutsauger/Overdose passive reloading to make Medic more enjoyable to play and have more loadout variety) then Medic will be less mandatory to play and more fun to play.

People will no longer be forced to play Medic because he's strong, instead they will want to play Medic because he's more fun.

>>383537232
How can something that's so easy to kill be annoying? If spies are annoying then it;s because you don't have the skill to efficiently kill them. If a DR spy manages to get away from you alive, then thats on you.
It's like me saying Scouts are annoying because they sometimes move too fast for me to hit them, just git gud

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>rereading the comics
>get to the end and realize something
>the entire TFC team is dead except for the engineer
>the entire TF2 team is assembled except for the engineer
What do you think is going to happen?

>>383537727
>tfc takes place in the 30s according to the comics
>there's plenty of black mesa logos in official maps
>black mesa didn't exist until the 50s
What did Valve mean by this?

>>383537512
>How can something that's so easy to kill be annoying?
You really are retarded aren't you?
Dead Ringers are annoying because of the damage resistance, flame resistance and the speed boost upon activation, this makes them annoying to catch when they pop it, but either than that, they are easy to deal with, especially since shitters love to use it.

>>383537727
Reinactment of a mix of Robot Destruction and MvM gamemode on the Moon base as Team Fortress 2 has to fend off an onslaught of TFC's Engineer's killer robots as they're waiting for a McGuffin device to charge up

>>383537727
FUSION
HA!

When will sniper and spy be deleted from the game?

>>383537973
>Flame resistance
Now i know ur memeing. If you've ever let a DR spy live as PYRO, then you really need to uninstall the game anon. Its not DR that's the problem, its you
If you can't deal with 25% damage restitance on a spy how tf are you gonna deal with any other class? Do you wanna nerf scout cause it annoys you when they run away?

>>383538037
Never.
get good please.

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>>383537281
How is flametrower inconsistent

>>383526986
Teek

>>383538126
You do know the spy is faster than the pyro when it's popped and immune to flame damage for the first few seconds right? That's ample time to escape from danger.
also it's 65% initially down to 20% damage resistance you fucking idiot, not 25% flat.
Jesus man are you just going to keep projecting? I'm listing objective facts about the weapon, and why people find it annoying to fight, and your entire argument boils down to
>lol ur just bad even though you've said countless times that you have no problem with it.
If you don't even know the weapons resistance patterns why should I listen to anything you say about it?

>>383538345
It's inconsistent, but not as much as people think. A huge part of the Pyro meta is understanding how flame particles work. For example, walking backwards pretty much doubles your damage with the flamethrower

>>383538535
>faster
Oh gee if only pyro had some way of locking down people who got near him damn I wonder what the m2 key is for. Spy should have no way of escaping you.
You're literally saying you have trouble killing spies as pyro.
Unironically get good my friend

>>383538535
correction
spy is faster than pyro

>tfw no more sandman cleaver combo

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holy shit, they fucked the ambassador so bad

>>383538703
>Oh gee if only pyro had some way of locking down people who got near him
In your mind the spy is incapable of running away from a pyro in this situation, and that the pyro will always be able to get the spy pinned into a wall or corner.
Get real you fucking idiot.
>You're literally saying you have trouble killing spies as pyro.
except I never said I played pyro, all I ever said was that the DR has an initial flame resistance, you sperged out and acted like I play pyro, just for mentioning that fact.
Fuck off you autistic loser and get good. Both at the game, and at reading comprehension.

>>383538730
Yes and it's exacerbated when the DR comes into play even further

>>383538345
Its been looked into alot, the range of it is based on ping, which is why alot of the time you either get set on fire from way out of range or the pyro cant set you on fire even if you are clearly in the fire on screen.

Its just not that good of a weapon anyway. It has low damage and afterburn is completely useless in competitive, which is annoying because its the main thing the class does. The airblast is honestly far more powerful and the main thing the pyro does in competitive in the rare chance he is used

>>383539002
the range also changes whether or not you run forward or backward
that should honestly be changed

>>383538345
>Particle movement is based on player momentum
>Particle does not fully represent where flames are actually going as proven by local server debug command
>Particle spawn distance is based on ping
Add all these together and you have one random ass weapon at anything besides point blank range.

>>383538550
It only increases damage if someone is walking towards you while walking backwards.

>>383538961
? Yes, the spy is unable to get away from a pyro who has him locked down with the m2. It's an actual mechanic tons of people are upset with. Holy fuck, you just love showing off how shit you are at this game don't you?
"Spies are annoying because they keep getting away from me!"
That's literally what you said. You have problem killing spies as any class, and that's what cements you as a shit tier player
>get good
Lmao no, im not the one having trouble with spies anon

>>383539238
TL;DR, I don't read posts by illiterate morons. You could have just spewed
>GIT GUD
And left it at that since that's the only argument you're actually capable of making. Even though I've told you I have no trouble with spy.

>>383536097
>engineer underpowered on offense

what the fuck? Unless this is about 6's, it's completely wrong

>>383539335
Then what are you complaining about? I don't understand. Spies are annoying to kill but you have no problem killing them? IS this some new form of trolling im not savvy to?

>>383539397
I'm not complaining.
I said the DR was annoying, I gave my reasons for my reasoning, you sperged out.
That's really all there is to it.

The update patch notes tell you everything you need to know about why the game fails to be revitalized.

Everything is based purely on player statistics. Valve don't actually play their own game at all anymore, so all balancing is essentially the product of second-hand graph scouring. The problem is that stuff like that doesn't tell the full story. Certain weapons can be overwhelmingly effective and without need of a buff, but undersused because they're boring.

>>383539617
>Caber is still shit
Sniper mains deserve the worst possible fate

>>383527441
how did this even knock them down? still impressed at the tears created

>>383527441
How did they all get knocked off lmfao

>>383535578
a-anon...hes been dead for a while...

>>383539393

It is. Outside of maybe 1 you'd rather have another soldier, demo, or medic on offense

>>383535578
it's been like 2 years anon

>>383526494
I dont.

That was only in the trailer. The lightning was always soft. It could be softer now yes but it was never like in the trailer.

>>383539558
What do you mean by annoying, if not hard to counter?

>>383539964
It looks like that in DirectX8

>>383539617
>Valve don't actually play their own game at all anymore

yes that's why they listened to professional opinions from the comp community as well as the casual community
these changes are fucking fantastic. Sandman and DR getting shat on makes me happy

>>383540007
Think like this
>boss fight
>boss is boss, nothing out of the ordinary
>suddenly minions
boss fights with minions suck, but the minions are easy to kill, they're not hard to kill, but them being there is annoying.
Get it? Obviously TF2 and the DR is completely different, but it's something like that, easy to get rid of, but just annoying to deal with in the first place.
the DR as is, is fine imo, it gives spies some breathing room on high congestion maps. But I've always personally found it annoying to deal with, but it was meant to be annoying, so whatever.

>>383540349
Okay now i understand u. Yeah I can dig that.
Thought u were one of the f2ps calling for a nerf, my bad

>>383540510
Oh god no, the DR is a nothing to me, Spy as a whole is a nothing to me, I've been playing for so long that spy checking is second nature.
DR just throws an occasional wrench into that. Which to me is annoying, but that doesn't mean I want the weapon nerfed into the ground.

>>383540609
(y) first positive experience on 4chan, glad to have met you, have a nice day

The DR is overrated by casuals for two reasons

>the popularity of sandboxy maps like hightower and ctf
>people only care about their own personal kill and death scores

Same reason people think demoknight is overpowered because he can easily get a single pick on them, ignoring that the rest of the team just turns around and shoots him dead immediately.

>>383539835
>it is
{spoiler]okay then. Soldier is intended to be ubiquitous, but I agree that engineer needs buffs. Just give him +25 health and not so reliant on his sentry, so he can shotgun people more.[/spoiler]

Are there any servers with the expanded version of turbine on rotation? I played a map variant of turbine a long time ago with extra corridors on the sides and it was great.

>>383540849
the only good versions of hightower are the new modded map and Helltower

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>>383540849
>people think demoknight is overpowered
>in this day and age

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>>383540063
No? Also seems like theres a new bug. The gamespeed increases whenever my fps goes above 1000. On 1500 fps its around 1.5x speed.

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Can someone explain to me what's TFTRUE and why are all the servers locked?

>>383539393
Let's look at all the gamemodes in TF2.
>5CP
Engineer's only offensive asset, the Teleporter, is of severely reduced usefulness since most 5CP maps have short distances to travel to the objective, and your spawns move around too often (meaning a teleporter at the old spawn becomes useless).
>KOTH
See above; Teleporters aren't worth picking an Engineer for on the majority of maps, since the point is so close they save your team a few seconds of walking at most. When you're trying to push a point on KOTH, no competent enemy team is going to give an Engineer time to set up a Sentry, either. Engie is only worth picking on KOTH when you already hold the point (meaning you're defending).
>Territorial Control
Let's say RED has 6 Engineers trying to cap BLU's point with their Shotguns, and BLU has 6 Engineers sitting still and defending with their Level 3 Sentries. Which team will win?
>Capture the Flag
See above, but with flags instead of points.
>Robot Destruction
See above, but with cores instead of flags.

The only game modes Engineer is useful on offense are is Payload and Attack/Defend for his Teleporter (and even then, having more than one Engie is pretty redundant, since you only need one level 3 Teleporter and one Sentry to move the bulk of your team).

So in all game modes but 2, having Engineer on offense is useless, and even then having more than 1 Engineer on offense is useless.

Engineer is underpowered on offense, and it hurts all the symmetrical modes as a result.

>>383541160
why the fuck do you not have a frame limiter

>>383541268
>>Robot Destruction
IT HURTS ME INSIDE
WHY THE FUCK ISN'T THIS AVAILABLE ON CASUAL YET

>>383541160
jesus christ anon
what iphone are you playing this shit on?

>>383541367
Soon(tm)

>>383541065
You'd be surprised how many retards are out there. A lot of people STILL think the Pyro is OP and are hoping the update will nerf him

>>383541419
so never?
they're still missing maps like CTF Well, Sawmill and others
as well as Arena mode as a whole

>>383540945
>>383541268

There's nothing wrong with the engineer being under powered on offense. It's a defensive specialists. I'd argue that they need to slightly buff the level 3 if anything because they are an afterthought half of the time

>>383541432
Pyro's been the WEAKEST character for the entire game's existance and yet people still want to nerf him.

>>383541432
People bitching about Pyro is a universal constant but good lord how can people find Demoknight OP on non x10 and such servers.

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>>383541284
I believe to the power of the placebo fps

>>383541817
They get one shot by a well-timed charge and immediately alt-tab to Steam Powered Forums and type a 600 words rant about how that's bullshit.

>>383541432
>why do shitters complain about pyro

Imagine you have two casual shitters playing scout. They face off, running around and missing 95% of their shots. The fight goes on and on, it probably devolves into an awkward batswinging contest.

Eventually one emerges triumphant.

Now the same scenario but switch one of the scouts for a pyro. The scout still sucks and misses most of his shots. The pyro sucks too but can just lazily wave his flamethrower around and catch the scout aflame.

The scout says Pyro is overpowered.

>>383541919
it literally does nothing but eat up power unless you have a monitor that supports those higher refresh rates

>>383541432
>>383541689
most people don't want him bad. They want him functional, something the airblast isn't.

>>383541817
Demoknight's not even op on x10 servers, there are a handful of loadouts that you can use to hard counter him if you're a dedicated fun ruiner

>>383541652
The Engineer is underpowered in general and is hard-countered by every class except Engineers and Pyros.

He or his buildings need a buff.

>>383542084
Make the airblast a mini rocket jump like they have the code for and sure

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>>383541652
>There's nothing wrong with the engineer being under powered on offense
There's plenty wrong with it.
1: Engineer being UP on offense and OP on defense means that all TF2's symmetrical game modes are stalemate-prone. He can't be used to push to win, but he can be used to stop pushes to win. This means nobody wins the game, and instead there are long, boring periods of waiting.
2: Engineer being UP on offense means that people who main him don't actually get to play him full-time in symmetrical game modes. They only get to play him in defensive situations. It's sort of like being a goalie in soccer: Your friends are down the other end of the field with the ball, and you're the one stuck waiting in the goal square.

I want Engineer to be more like a point guard in basketball, able to be used both on offense and defense.
>It's a defensive specialists
Tell me why that's a good thing? What does it add to the game?
I've told you how Engineer being a defense specialist is bad for the game.

Engineer deserves better than being a defense-only bitchboy. And while he remains strong on defense and weak on offense, the game suffers stalemates as a result in modes that used to be considered the staple of the Team Fortress series.

>>383542071
144hz with ULMB (yea ULMB drops it to 120hz but more frames still help)

>>383542071
iirc because of how the source engine works, you want at least double your monitor rate +1 fps.
121 fps for a 60Hz monitor, for example.

>>383542057
So it's not as much of a nerf as it is bringing up its skill floor then?

>>383542168
Also make it have a long cooldown so you cant hold back ubers.

>>383542169
I don't even know why they bothered reorganizing the classes into offense, defense, and support since those classes aren't exclusively for use in those categories

>>383542370
and make ubers an instant "you win or force enemy uber" button? airblast being able to juggle them was put in for a reason

HOLY SHIT TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT
http://steamcommunity.com/games/20/announcements/detail/1430307055699391628

>>383542128
>that guy who uses Scorch shot on x10
>>383542168
I remember somewhere no /vg/ someone suggested Airblast and Gunboats be made to blast you into the air at the cost of some health to make Valkyrie fighting

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>>383542485

>>383525987
Your eternal reward

I miss playing my agressive as fuck spy with the old dead ringer when it was broken, using that terrible knife with that broken watch made a super fun

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>>383542139
>>383541652
Just because level 3s aren't literally invincible doesn't mean they're "weak" or an "afterthought".

Sentry Gun is an aimbot with 580DPS (the highest DPS in the game after Knife), 215HP (second highest HP in the game), repair rate of 105HP/sec (Highest heal rate in the game), no falloff, immunity to critical hits, immunity to fire, and perfect accuracy.

And all that is before you count in the Wrangler and the Rescue Ranger. By no means is it weak.

The Sentry is an area denial tool. It's unrealistic for you to expect that an AIMBOT that does all the shooting for you should be more powerful than players who have to AIM their shots, anons.
>>383542394
Exactly. Yet they continue to half-heartedly balance the classes as if they were. It's just retarded, confusing for new players, and bad for the game.

Every class should be useful both on offense and on defense, in every game mode, and the classes should be categorized according to what they do, not what situation they do it in.

>>383526248 patrician choise.

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>>383542485
>actually updating TFC

what the fuck are you doing Alfred?

>>383539797
>>383539698
>>383534026

He had a pyro with him

*Blocks your path*

>>383542729
Half-Life 1 also got updated, must be a global Goldsrc update

>>383542169

The engineer is supposed to force stalemates. That's his entire purpose. He sets up walls. "Engineer mains" shouldn't even exist because he's a specialist class. The game is built around generalists and specialists. Yeah valve added a few unlocks that helped in certain aspects but they haven't changed the fundamental nature of the game

>>383542467
>airblast being able to juggle them was put in for a reason

because pyro was weak against thinking players. But they didn't have to neuter ubers to buff him. They need to buff pyro's capability of doing damage with skill, and not add stuff that fucks with the game.

Please understand, ubers are intentionally overpowered "I win" buttons, because they take a long time to get, and are built for getting through choke points unharmed. Adding in something that nullifies ubers goes against that design, and stagnates the game. It shouldn't be held back by repeatedly hitting RMB.

Extend the flamethrower. Reduce its thickness. That way it would take aim to use properly, and make pyro stronger at medium ranges. Give him a slow firing airblast that can be used like a rocket jump.

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>>383535161
how to deal with a DR spy:
>be pyro
>locate DR shpee
>airblast him into a corner BEFORE lighting him up
>poke him with your flamethrower
>keep airblasting while listening for the airblast sound effect
>light the faggot up when he pops outta DR

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>>383542812
>The engineer is supposed to force stalemates. That's his entire purpose
That's not true and Valve has never said anything to that effect. I demand a source.

Even if it were true. How the fuck is that a good design? Valve has stated over and over that stalemates are BAD, and that games need to have a winner: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Well_developer_commentary

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that stalemates are good?
>"Engineer mains" shouldn't even exist because he's a specialist class
Source that Engineer is a "specialist class".
Robin Walker never mentioned any class as a generalist or specialist but Soldier and Demo. And he was talking about "generalists" or "specialists" as a bad thing. He wants to remove that from the game.

Every TF2 class should be BOTH a "generalist" (useful on both offense and defense) and a "specialist" (focuses on a unique combat role).

There's no good reason for solely defensive classes to exist, it punishes the people who enjoy that class by making them useless 50% of the time, and it punishes everyone else by creating stalemates.

Refute that statement.

>>383543276
I personally love body blocking them
they turn into impotent fags if you can do it

>>383542773
I checked, all Goldsrc games got a bugfix

>>383536584
yeah if you're a furry

>>383542812
>The engineer is supposed to force stalemates. That's his entire purpose.

>https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Well_developer_commentary
>2. Avoiding a Stalemate [Andrea Wicklund] Ideally matches should end in a victory for one team and a loss for the other. Stalemates are essentially a loss for both teams.

>>383536584
No better feeling than shotguning an unusual wearing Pyro with a vanilla Soldier.

Is it just me or did the performance of the game get a lot worse a month or so ago? I used to be able to play no problem but now I get inconsistent lag issues now and again.

>>383543738
Game is poorly optimized.

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Pyro is a top tier class

>>383539002
It does high damage tho

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>low damage
Melting a overhealed heavy in 4 seconds is low damage?
also
>Competitive
who the fuck cares about competitive?

>>383544586
>who the fuck cares about competitive?
I'm not a part of your retarded pubbie argument, but Valve is balancing the whole game around competitive now, like they do for all their other games. Get on board with the discussion or get left behind

>>383544586
>Melting a overhealed heavy in 4 seconds is low damage?
stop pretending to be an idiot, actual idiots will think they're in good company.

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>>383539002
Unironically, w(+asd)+m1 is a viable strat if you use it the same way as a tryhard spy
I've had tons of fun cornerburning and stairburning
Just remember to mind to behavior of the fire particles e.g. aim where a target will be for full burst dmg

>>383525881
For What? Someone explain

>>383544772
>Tf2
>Competitive
Yeaaaaaa no, it did not catch on, I tried a month ago it was still trash, its not a comp game.

>>383544983
I'm not a part of your retarded pubbie argument, but Valve is balancing the whole game around competitive now, like they do for all their other games. Get on board with the discussion or get left behind

>>383544852
>Base (Max): 153.5 / sec
Less than 4 seconds, sorry I'm a idiot

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>>383544928
how about reading the replies instead of expecting to be spoonfed

>>383543385
>>383543539

Learn to context. They are referring to stalemates in general and not in regard to what the engineer does. It's only even an issue on 5cp maps anyway. For example the engineer stalemating an offense on A/D is his entire purpose for being picked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_ItF1wOT0&feature=youtu.be&t=12m54s

He mentioned how It's tricky in general (no pun intended) to balance generalists like the soldier/demo with the reality of the specialists classes. He also says unlocked haven't really changed the overall dynamic of how generalists/specialists compare to each other much at all compared to when the game was first shipped.

I disagree that every class should be a generalists because it would contradict many of their specialists functions. Take spy for example. There's no way he can be a generalists without being a major pain in the ass and losing some of his specialist function. The closest it got was probably Dr enforcicle which they nerfed to the ground because it was obnoxious as fuck. People not being able to play certain classes to great effect at certain times is a necessary issue for class based games

>>383545428
Pyro's DPS is inconsistent as fuck. First of all you have to be buttfuck close to the enemy to get close near enough that damage. Second of all his weapon is done via particles which isn't nearly as consistent as hitscan. The draw distance of particles can actually be affected by lag so he can literally get better or worse damage depending on what server your on. And even when everything is working fine, particle effects don't shoot out in a consistent matter so no matter what all those particles aren't always going to hit no matter what. Add the slow as fuck run speed and most intelligent Heavy's can destroy you before you can get close enough to deal that much damage.

There's a reason why people choose Scout over Pyro my man: He's a shitty Scout that replaces mobility with a bit more health and no needing to aim. If you are garbage at the game he's alright but at a certain threshold you'll realize you're gimping yourself as a Pyro.

>>383545780
>General tf2 discussions
>TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT said without context occasionally
I still don't get it.

>>383546246
Valve promised they'll fix a lot of shit they fucked up, including the Pyro which for many people is one of the most underwhelming classes.

It's been a year since they announced it.

>>383546450
You'd think we'd give up after that long.

>>383546450
Actually it was about the Engi finally getting an update way back when, silly younginns.

TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT

>>383546802
The game itself is great at its core, but sadly it's run by a company that does not care about it from a D-Team of the most mentally deficient the company has to offer. We have hope because a company that'd actually care could make it great again, or even better then it's peak.
>>383546958
It's pretty clear that Engie Vs. Spy was just Gun Mettle.

>>383547152
Did Gun Mettle even have any Engie vs. Spy aspect to it?

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>>383534981
>P.S. A word to the tards: I'm not dead yet, so keep your pants on.
>P. S. S. Rubberfruit was originally in the "beta" version of the intro, which involved him and I in a 3 second steam chat, but it was cut out due to a better idea as you could see.

>>383547285
Majority of the balances patches was centered around Engie and Spy. The cases also thematically fit with them the most. It was clear that it was originally going to be Engie Vs. Spy but for reasons they dropped all the weapons intended for them.

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Can someone who isn't retarded open up a US Party Van server with all of these maps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvHqRyyn4E0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOAk0i1N00

>friend wanted me to buy a game
>rather just play tf2 because im no currently interested in said game
>keeps pushing me to buy it
>tell him im short on money(lie)
>he buys me the game a day later
>feel obliged to play it with him
>too autisimo to tell him i dont like the game
>just want to play tf2
what do

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>>383546125
>Learn to context. They are referring to stalemates in general and not in regard to what the engineer does
How about you learn to source? You haven't provided ANY source for the statement "The engineer is supposed to force stalemates. That's his entire purpose."

So how exactly are "stalemates in general" and "stalemates in regard to what the Engineer does" different anyway? You say it's different but you don't say how.

When you say it's different but can't say how, you might want to realise that in fact, it's not different at all.
Valve don't like stalemates, they never said Engineer was solely designed to cause stalemates (if that was true he wouldn't have teleporters), and stalemates are bad and thus Engineer causing stalemates is bad.
>It's only even an issue on 5cp maps anyway
Untrue. Engineer and Heavy's defensive skewing with nothing to counterbalance it is the sole reason that CTF no longer works as a serious game mode.

Same goes for Territorial Control, Robot Destruction, Special Delivery. It isn't just 5CP that's affected by the stalemate-causing of Engineer.
>video
There's no fucking point in you linking it to me. I've seen the video like fifty times. I know more about TF2 than you do, dude.
>I disagree that every class should be a generalists because it would contradict many of their specialists functions
That's not true. Demo and Soldier are both generalists, as you are forced to admit if you're linking that Robin Walker video, and Demo and Soldier are both unique class experiences. Again, there are ZERO good reasons to have any classes as solely defensive. It makes the people who enjoy those classes left out 50% of the time and it causes stalemates.
>Take spy for example. There's no way he can be a generalists without being a major pain in the ass and losing some of his specialist function
SPY /IS/ A FUCKING GENERALIST. HE'S USEFUL BOTH ON OFFENSE AND DEFENSE.

>>383548261
set yourself offline on steam and play tf2

>>383548261
Play with him a bit then just tell him you're not that interested in his zombie survival crafting early access game

>>383545428
>>Base (Max): 153.5 / sec
>stickybomb launcher: 206 dps
>grenade launcher: 160 dps
>scattergun: 168 dps
are you retarded

>>383548369
ive been doing this but hes the only steam friend i have
and i enjoy playing tf2 with him as well
>>383548480
>zombie survival crafting early access game
its total war : Warhammer
its not a bad game but its one of those games where i have to be in the mood to play it

>>383548679
get in the mood faggit

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God tier
Demo, Soldier

High tier
Scunt

Credit to team tier
medic, engie

It's okay tier
sniper, heavy

low tier
Pyro

shit tier
Spy

>>383548261
which game is it

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>>383549862
he already said, learn to read threads you dongus

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Rate my humble Soldier.

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>the crazy hobo gets the best girl

>>383550231
shovel/10
use the escape plan

>>383550231
I've seen this post before, 6/10

A question, should I go stock launcher + concheror or black box + shotty

>>383550451
stock and conch
only people who use blackbox are pussies who don't have a medic on them 24/7

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>>383526986
The server I used to play on with a bunch of other regulars every friday until 2:00 AM

Oh right... it close down and I haven't talked to anyone since then...

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>>383550247
Why are they so cute together?

>>383550543
I don't ever have a medic :(

>>383536097
They do nerf Medics. In that, they haven't gotten any real update in years.

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>>383550715
>They do nerf Medics
When?
Seriously, what nerfs has stock Medic gotten since 2007? I seriously want you to answer that question so you can know how wrong you are.

>>383550668
i do sometimes but i don't complain when don't have one

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>>383550247
I mean, back before he was just the team's crazy retard, he was a barrel chested manly man. I don't think he'd ever really be wanting for female admirers back when his personality was more balanced.

>>383542485
lol wat

>>383550715
>In that, they haven't gotten any real update in years
Not getting an update isn't the same thing as a nerf, you fucking moron.

>>383528037
>they will never write "Updated the localization files" in different languages ever again

Random crits are fine. Banning them in competitive makes sense. Removing them from the game universally would be stupid. They're satisfying to land and they're aren't any more annoying to get killed by than by a skilled player. You're just going to respawn in a few seconds. There's nothing on the line.

Random weapon spread I can take or leave. I don't notice much of a difference either way. I don't think I would ever notice if I was fucked by bad spread on my part or if the other guy got a lucky pattern.

>>383551235
this
remove random spread, keep random crits

>>383550231
9/10
Simple, minimalist, and the Soldier's Stash is one of the best hats

>>383550986
But in this same comic the Soldier does act like a crazy retard, anon

>BZZT He isn't even BZZT a real BZZT soldier BZZT he's a civilian
>WHY WOULD HE SAY THAT!?

call me when tc_hydro comes back

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Still the best gun

>>383551672
I still want a normal SSG for Scout. Only 2 rounds but with higher burst damage than the stock. The knockback with the FaN is a lame gimmick that fucks me up more than it helps.

>>383551672
>pic unrelated

>>383551487
RED soldier is a retard, BLU soldier is a overly paranoid and almost as retarded son of a bitch, if the comic from the WAR update is to be believed

>>383552317
So, soda popper? Technically the strongest scattergun still.

>>383551493
ring ring

>>383537727
They could've done more with the TFC crossover
>explain the Black Mesa logos
>or the yellow and green teams being gone
>editing TFC's textures to help it feel like part of the TF2 universe rather than half-life's

>>383552683
Hullo?

>>383552601
RED and BLU Soldier are functionally the same person, since they share the name, and RED Soldier also acted as a defense attorney for Scout like the BLUs on Smissmas.

>>383552630
I miss OG Soda Popper. Great defensive weapon for Scout.

>>383551672
>worse than stock at long range and mid range
>its only damage advantage is at close range
>FaN's main gimmick is-- you guessed it-- knocking people out of close range

FaN needs to be buffed very slightly, and Soda Popper needs to be nerfed very slightly.

>>383552989
It was a stupid weapon design that encouraged running around wasting time to build up hype and save it to unload on some poor sap who had practically no answer to being minicrit bodyshot.

>>383553142
This. The new version isn't balanced either, though.

>>383552731
I want more TFC in TF2. I hope they do something for the 10th Anniversary. I want a set of classic maps in their own rotation or set or something.

>>383552884
Hydro has been back for like a year, anon.

>>383553238
They should just add more classic weapon skins. Crowbars, umbrellas, nailgun skin for syringe gun.

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>have a shitload of singleplayer games I need to get through
>can't stop playing tf2