Persona killed SMT

What in the fuck is that

Isn't that just Doi?

Wait what?

Where is that from?

>>383483857
>>383484441
Live stream from Atlus where they showed new artwork for the game. Its gonna have animated cutscenes

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Good

the dark souls of persona games

He was supposed to be a jap working for the UN.
At least we'll get cutscenes for Zelenin/Jimenez transformations, those will be nice.

>>383484441
>>383483857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvLc8kXrz1g

Will hole diggan be animated?

>lets remake the game that was already fine and can literally be played on the system the remake is coming too instead of remaking SMT 1 and 2!

good goy atlus

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>We can't just have a game featuring 30-upper 40s people being astronauts (what would actually fucking happen)
>Everythings gotta be 16-20 and attractive as fuck to bait lonely people from all sides to our game
>Tfw Japan mankes the better games but I can barely tell them a part these days because it's a rare case that a game from there uses a unique style

>>383484596
>>383484712
Oh, that is bad. That is very bad.

>>383483768
thats the only way to remade a ds game

you can't really get any meaningful update on 3ds so they went with "changing art style" meme and added Yukiko

>>383484924
They dodn't actualle de age them though.

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Is SMT just a JRPG for hipsters who are """"too cool""""' for JRPGS?

>>383485083
Maybe they didn't actually write them younger but look at the OP's pic

>>383484924
Obviously Japan should be more diverse and make all the women ugly.

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>>383485109
>Pokemon and Final Fantasy
SMT is the only regularly occurring JRPG without shit mechanics. I say this as a massive Pokemon fan.

>>383485109

Nah it's basically edgy pokemon where you kill your friends and god(s)

>>383485001

Nah, it's just one of the few games that still has Kaneko's art, so they have to erase any evidence of him.

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>>383485109
Yes

>>383485205

SMT came first, Pokemon is casual SMT.

>>383485109

Nah, it's just Persona for homosexuals.

Notice how the people ITT are calling the series dead for having a pretty girl get introduced into the cast.

>>383485141
That is just because of the artstyle, I don't think the deliberately made them look younger to make them more appealing to other people.

The new battle music is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgWFcK9JqLk

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>>383485404
>He doesn't think the artstyle in the OP is to ensure Strange Journey will appeal to a wider audience
Literally ok when Japan does it.

>>383485386
>Persona for homosexuals.
But that's just Persona

>>383485480
Isn't it because nukiko would clash with kaneko's human designs?

>>383485386

It's just another case of Atlus adding a new girl to a remake of a game who is pretty much always center of whatever new story bits get added

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I knew they were gonna do this, fuck Atlus.

>>383483768
It doesn't look like that in-game, does it? Only in cutscenes and that new shit character?

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I ain't against it, it's not like the original version is going off the grid.
The artstyle is fine, the girl might be weird but shit if I'm gonna be bothered to play it again I'd better be getting some new stuff to read.

Who /Doesn'tCareBecauseSJwasGarbage/ here?

>>383483768
Fucking animay. I just want my autistic dungeon crawling demon fusing game. Don't ruin it with waifus and shit thats gay.

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>>383483768
It's not the exact same game as the game I can emulate on literally any PC made this decade so it sucks >:(

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>>383485871
This

>>383483768
>Persona became mainline

Best timeline?

>>383486018
isnt that blound chick a dude?

>>383484605
all lovers are sluts

>>383486018
Alice so garbage she couldn't feature in Nocturne, what a trash demonfu

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>>383483768
Kaneko being a lazy fuck is what kills a part of SMT.
He doesn't draw anything anymore.
Face it, imitating his art style would be more disastrous than this generic anime looks they use these days.

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>>383484173
It's the Atlus Design Team(tm). Doi's making new demons

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>>383485109
Yup, it's the JRPG series for people who can't go to the deeper ends of mechanically complex and truly unique JRPGs.
>>383485203
>SMT is the only regularly occurring JRPG without shit mechanics.
>Push weakness A, B, C, D, E, lever to win and get free turns on top of that
>Buff three times BUT NOT MORE MOTHERFUCKER OR I'LL DEKUNDA YOUR ASS BOYO
>Good mechanics

>>383486153
No but one of the guys from the Persona games dresses up as her at one point.

>>383486170
That just means Nocturne is garbage

I want to get into SMT after playing P5, where should I start?

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>>383486212
Certainly better than any mechanics in Pokemon or Final Fantasy RPGS

>>383484712
god feel like im watching current airing generic anime now feels kinda off

>>383485404
>I don't think the deliberately made them look younger to make them more appealing to other people.
Anon, are you new to japanese games? I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm asking out of genuine interest.

That is exactly the reason why they've de-aged them design wise, that's how japanese marketing works.

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>>383483768
>>383484653
>>383485386
>>383486131

>>383486186
Is it Kaneko's fault? I always assumed it was Atlus' fault because they're trying to appeal to more people by having less style to the character designs.

>>383486421

>Asian ladyboy

lol smt so gay

>>383485871
Me. Worst SMT.

>>383486319
SMT 4 Apocucklypse.

>>383486325
>The only JRPGs I acknowledge are Pokemon and FF
Tells more about how casual you are than how SMT is supposed to have good mechanics when it's Bravely Default tier at best.
>>383486361
>that's how japanese marketing works.
That really depends on how you're trying to push a product, Fatlus is trying to bring new blood to SMT in general and is aiming for the Persona kiddies, hence the generic animu rework of SJ with Doi's artstyle, but not all devs or companies do that.

>>383486361
Happens with Apocalypse too. Nanashi originally was like mid 20s then get changed to 15

>>383483768
Why? He looks better now.

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>>383486316
That's not how you address the greatest 3d SMT boyo.

The game clearly has better taste because Pixie>Alice

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>>383486432
More like SMT's fault for never being profitable

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>>383486535
The only 3 I mentioned are FF, Pokemon, and SMT because they're the "big 3" of regularly occuring JRPGs and somehow SMT has a vastly superior combat system to both. That's literally all I'm arguing to giant sperg.

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>>383483768
Both variants are good.

>>383485386
>Persona for homosexuals.
Even if it's bait he is damn right. I've got hard-on during Minotaur bossfight. SMT music is also oozes with gay sex vibes.

>>383486432
We'll never know the true story.
Personally, I doubt Atlus would ditch the unique style of its founder just for the sake of general appeal. It's more probable that Kaneko retired from designing on his own.

>>383485109

I just want to build a team of mythological figures to beat the shit out of other mythological figures, man.

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>>383486623
:)

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>>383486796
>SMT style combat system with FE styled leveling
Who knew this would be such a good combo?

>>383486432
around persona getting popular is when he really just stopped drawing i really think seeing that after years of working hard got to him

>>383486535
>but not all devs or companies do that.
Falcom's president is on record saying how they had to "modernize" their character designs when they jumped from PC to Sony consoles to attract shonen kiddies, hence their questionable redesigns for Ys' protagonist Adol Christin and new Kiseki games taking inspiration from Light Novel designs.

Baba from Namco Bandai used to constantly talk about this issue back when he was still in charge of Tales.

Square and FFXV/VsXIII

Maybe not all, but quite a few definitively do.

>>383486689
Battle B2 Persona remix when
https://youtu.be/aJV2PqY39iw?t=1m19s

>>383486796

What the fuck is that top game?

>>383486990
So.... it's Sony's fault

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>>383486883
I actually wants the session system return in SMTV.

>>383487113
No, that game let you use combo's with members who aren't even in battle

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>>383487040
SMT #FE

>>383487113
or at least replace SJ's combat with sessions

>>383487210
>SMT

*TMS

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>>383487216
Fine too.

>>383487210
>>383487306
>#FE
Was this the biggest FUCK YOU to all SMT fans?

>>383487306
>TMS
Just fuck my shit up, I never noticed that.

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>tfw I like both persona and SMY
>Tfw if they go with their old direction I can just enjoy the unique smt vibe and when they go with their new anime direction I can just enjoy the dumb anime stuff.
Feels gud man

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>>383487306
>SMT
>TMS
You can do it!

>>383487395
>very first gorgeous HD SMT game
>FUCK YOU

>>383486995
I didn't think lotus juice would enjoy smt.

>>383484712
Can't wait to see these cutscenes compressed as fuck on a tiny 3ds screen.

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>>383487456
You'll be shocked even more.

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>>383486421
>Getting upset that Atlus is still making tons of money regardless of which game is popular
I hope another Q-like crossover brings the best team back

>>383483768
I don't really see the issue

>>383487395

Probably, it was revealed at the worst possible time, we were still in P4 hell and SMT IV was labeled shit like "The Dark Souls of Persona" by journalists.

Things couldn't possibly look worse for mainline than at that moment.

>>383483768
The way things were animated sorta reminded me of the GundamThe Origin OVAs.

>>383487306
i literally never noticed this

>>383486570
Well it isn't as if from the get go most of mainline had teens as MCs
The books was a high schooler who went /r9k/, 1 had a dude who still usually went to school as the protag, 2 had a 2 year old artificially grown, 3 had a high schooler, IV just had a guy who just turned 18.
>>383486607
>no cheek bones
>better
He still keeps the original haircut during the game. Still in artwork and same trailer had him with it also.

>>383487658
Gundam The*

>>383487495
>HD SMT

*HD TMS

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>>383486796

Funny, because SMTxFE was more anime cancer idolshit than P5.

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>>383487395
They could NOT have done a worse job handling this game. But if you like SMT mechanically speaking then you're doing yourself a disservice not playing it IMO.

The weebshit becomes self aware fast, it's pretty entertaining.
>That quest where Tiki wants you to track down "tikiismaiwaifu" or whatever

>>383487658
Looks more like the god eater anime to me

Who's ready for another friendship end?

>>383487715
>SMTxFE

*TMS #FE

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>>383486671
>because they're the "big 3" of regularly occuring JRPGs
>implying this "big 3" shit is actually a thing
>What is Kiseki
>What is Atelier
>What is SaGa
Funny how your "big 3" doesn't even have DQ by the way, which is way bigger than SMT can ever hope to be.
>>383486990
>when they jumped from PC to Sony consoles to attract shonen kiddie
You do realize Falcom has been like that since forever? It's just that they had to finally realize it's not the 90's anymore and that big pauldrons and the old Lodoss character design are out of style, but they always attracted shonenshit since their inception, Sony has nothing to do with it.
>Baba from Namco Bandai used to constantly talk about this issue
Baba is a filthy liar, a waifufag and a hack and Tales didn't change one bit from its inception in terms of protagonists
>Square and FFXV/VsXIII
Really nigger?

>>383487636
>P4 hell
>Implying it wasn't P4 heaven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV99oYiopi4

>>383487395

No. It was the west never getting the Devil Summoner or Eternal Punishment remakes on the PSP.

SMT is dead anyways so who cares about them raping old games?

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>>383487837
>P4 heaven

you know there is only one girl there

>>383486186
His style isn't even hard to imitate desu
Just grab one of the 1000 pixiv fucks who have been doing it for ages

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>>383487625
I just want another game with the GOAT team

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>>383487837
Chad pls.

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>>383487958
>>383488048
>tfw your favourite game in the franchise is the one that made the most money and got the most spinoffs and adaptions
Feels fucking good bros

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>>383486796
>Flagship Franchise

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>>383487958

I think you messed up there anon.

>>383488030

Anon, if that happens the world ends. You can still get the EP and P1 casts back though.

>>383487798
>What is Atelier

Ahahahahahahahahaha what the fuck are you listing garbage nep tier game for? Nobody cares about this garbage crafting game. Shit bombed hard on steam

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>>383488137
no i didnt

>>383487395
Are you kidding? SMT got off easy, all it took was the battle system. FE fans got shitty Deviantart redesigns of FE characters.

>>383488101
shhhh, the butthurt smtautist can't handle that every spinoff and crossover has more budget than his mainline shit.

>>383488030
Maybe if we spread some rumors...

Yes. Yes, it did. But, it's all about appealing to the mainstream. We just have to enjoy what has already been made.

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>>383488101

>He fell for the World of STR meme

Real summoners go MAG or DEX

>>383484712
Atlus have no idea what made SMT good anymore

>Atlus is pumping out SMT like crazy during the PS2 era
>Needed almost a decade for P5 to release

What happened?

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>>383487837
DAN might not have been the best rhythm game, but god damn was it a god-tier dress up sim.

>>383485109
it's for people who like JRPGs that didn't lose track of their Wizardry roots

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>>383488181
>shitty Deviantart redesigns of FE characters.

>implying the new ones weren't always shit

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>>383483768
The society killed SMT, old fire emblem, and classic hardcore rpgs in general

The community of today became unable to play a dungeon crawlers without waifus and eye cancer weeb designs. The design of SMT games back in ps2 times were unqiue and elegant at the same time, which is impossible to hit on modern games.

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>>383488030
That's a good choice too, but the IT will always have a special place in my heart
>>383488276
Goddamn Igor-Yu is fucking neat

>>383488174
Chie is great. Aigis is shit.

>>383486212
Unbound buffing is disgusting though. You can go to +/- 99 in stranger of sword city and it's a complete chore

>>383488014
>Update
His style isn't hard to imitate but it is hard to give design to a new monster without his genius.

I can't barely name 5 good designs of Doi, meanwhile, Kaneko has hundreds. The fiends are my favorites, but look at fucking chemtrail by whoever designed, it is a fucking abomination. It is persona randumb design creeping into the main series.

>>383488256
They needed to develop an HD engine, thats literally it. Prepare for more SMT games using it

>>383488298
Awakening was the last Fire Emblem game as far as Im concerned

>>383488248
They know, the problem is that the people capable of making a game like that already left.

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>>383486170
>>383486316
Nocturne is garbage
Alice was even in NINE with a special event too
Along with lots of other classic smt demons that didn't appear in Nocturne, including fucking Lucifer who had to be added in a rerelease

>>383488330

Doi's angels are fucking incredible mate.

>>383488207
>shhhh, the butthurt smtautist can't handle that every spinoff and crossover has more budget than his mainline shit

Nigga my favourite SMTs are 1 and SJ, I literally don't give a fuck about graphics. Too bad that's literally all #shit had going for it, fucking Dancing All Night did idols better than TMS.

Not to mention we got Persona 5 which wasn't painful to look at, that fucking arena in #FE where battles take place was an eyesore.

>>383488256
They were waiting for P5 to come out and have HD demon models.

>>383488248
All of my this

Atlus lost their ways and is blinded my the comercial success of persona

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>>383488354
>Awakening was the last Fire Emblem game as far as Im concerned

but it was also garbage

>>383486319
IV -> IV A -> Nocturne -> Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2 -> Soul Hackers -> Strange Journey -> SMT 1 -> SMT 2 -> KMT
Play Raidou whenever

>>383488341
>They needed to develop an HD engine, thats literally it. Prepare for more SMT games using it
Nips really should stop doing that, because every time it bites them in the ass.
Just use well established engines.

>>383487768
>tfw the butthurt has sort of faded and I'm willing to try it if emulation or a port happens
Funny how apparently two of the recent entries have people claiming to have one of the best gameplay as of recent (TMS and IVA) are ones which pretty much stray from the general themes SMT had.
>>383488281
Wouldn't that mean better dungeons than the shit they pull out now?

Why was DDS so overrated?

>>383488359
like who? and where are those now?

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>>383488320
>Tfw want to do a group shot but fucking Kanamin ruins it with her lack of costumes

>>383488401
They aren't his he just unclusterfucked them

>>383488181
I don't know, Fire Emblem at least got something, but the game didn't even have something resembling SMT. That's what they even removed the SMT title of the name.

>>383488401
Doi doesn't make angels m8. He only redraws Merkabah, which is pretty cool in both IV. I'd like him to be the fusion of all the old archangels in SMT V

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>>383488447
>Corrin, the blue chick, the outrealm
>Basically everything about fates
>Even tolerable
>Followed by a remake with DLC more expensive than the game
FE is dead.

>>383488453

You forgot Devil Survivor

>>383488502

Because MUH HUNGER and MUH HINDUISM

>>383488431
The problem is SMT isn't as accessible as Persona. Why make a game catering to a niche of a niche audience when persona has more widespread appeal of lighter-hearted stories and cute characters, which is guaranteed to make 10x as more money?

>>383488359
IV hit a lot of the right beats. You could tell it was made by people who liked 1 and 2, even if it had a lot of problems. IV A not so much.
>>383488508
Cozy Okada for one. He pretty much created the series but left after vanilla Nocturne and NINE were turd

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Guys convince me to start this over again

I got like 20 hours in up to the part where Spooky dies then stopped playing for years for some reason

>>383488502
seems like SJ is pretty overrated too, I can't wait for people to actually play it and see that

>>383488475
TMS definitely doesn't have the best gameplay. It's just a slightly retooled SJ combat system and that system was never particularly popular. When people praise SJ it's not for its combat.

>>383488302
I sincerely don't know what they were thinking with the first two DS Castlevania games designs
For fuck's I wouldn't care if it was weebshit but it's weebshit of the worst quality possible

>>383488527
Isn't the game called TMS #FE? Sounds like it has both to me. Honestly the lack of SMT made me happy after seeing the retarded OC Do Not Steals Shadow the Hedgehog shit they gave to the Fire Emblem cameos.

>>383488330
Chemtrail was probably one of the IV guests. They did all the new demons in IV
Doi mainly did humans in IV, he then added the new demons in IVA (Krishna, Odin, Mermaid, etc), and Added Amon and Anahita from Deep. The only humans in DSJ he did were Alex/Nukiko/Human Metis.

>>383488604
What the difference between vanilla Nocturne and the other one?

>>383488592
another "play whenever" game
honestly not that huge on it

>>383488701
>not that huge on literally the best SMT game

>>383488669
No fiends, no TDE route, no Labyrinth of Amala and worst of all no Dante

>>383488701
>not that huge on the best game in the franchise

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>>383488527
>but the game didn't even have something resembling SMT
>gameplay
>demons
>fusion

>that fucking arena in #FE where battles take place was an eyesore.
There are tons of arenas.

>>383488610
Spooky can be saved in ng+.

>>383488401
How did the artist that made the fuck ups in 4 react to doi fixing in final? It must have been a slap in the fucking pride man. I know how touchy artists can be with that

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>>383485386
>purse-owner calling anyone a homosexual

>>383488610

Isn't that like right before the final dungeon?

>>383488513
Is DAN worth at least pirating?

>>383488749
>>383488757

it's fucking disgusting to look at, the maps are shit, it expects you to do a bit of grinding (not saying that it's a grindfest mind you) and it doesn't do much with the SRPG concept. The combat isn't that fantastic either by SMT standards.

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>>383488701
>not that huge on it

>>383488786
I remember he was upset because his son said he liked Kaneko's archangels more than his

thanks fucking god
SMT's art style is goddamn hideous

>>383488858
also DeSu 2 is bordering on Persona 4 garbage

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>>383488843
Do you like Persona 4's cast and want to play dress up? If yes, go for it.

It's a mediocre rhythm game with a questionable story and mostly reused jokes for Persona 4, but it's fucking great for dressing up the characters.

>>383488669
>NINE was actually made as a love letter to SMT1&2, all those remixes, classic demon designs, 9 alignments, guns, demon tamer battles, cyberpunk, LNC story, 5 party members, Law and Chaos heroes & heroines actually support you in battle like in Apocalypse
>1/100 the budget of Nocturne
>fucking xbox in Japan
>Nocturne was made as a fuck you to the SMT franchise and feels like a literal spinoff
Literally worst timeline
Not even Persona 3&4 are that different from the first two
Nocturne is fucking SH4:The Room tier of having fuckall to do with mainline

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>>383488749
>>383488757

As someone who loves DeSu1, you have to admit that balance went right out the fucking window once you got Drain, Pierce, and this magnificent creature. Give her Repel/Null Phys and she will carry you till the end.

>>383488786

A little upset but he knew there were fans of his designs out there. I think he thanked Doi for not doing too much to Merkabah.

>>383488858
>it's fucking disgusting to look at

Ah, a Nocturnebaby, never mind.

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>>383488794
i know right

just look at these two dudes here

>>383488664
Gotta cut some slack to Doi too, because at least the guy seem to do some research and try.

Look at these:
https://68.media.tumblr.com/2a2de9789bdfb4a3a5549ccc4d80d526/tumblr_o4zq9pam5E1tj1qiho1_1280.jpg

https://68.media.tumblr.com/bda5457309cbe696e25102bb64582d55/tumblr_o4zq9pam5E1tj1qiho3_r1_500.jpg

Fuck you, not saving and uploading btw if you whine about the tumblr.

But as you can see, the original is very similar to his rendition, it is pretty fucking great. kaneko would have probably drew a blue old man.

>have mainline games for hipsters, edgy teens, people who dont like overly anime-ish styles and people who just like games with a serious undertone
>have spinoff franchise for sad virgins and weebs
>both sides are happy with "their" franchise

>nah, fuck it, lets turn the more adult franchise into weeb pandering bullshit as well and drive away old fans and people who outgrew waifushit

Cant wait for the next SMT game having social links and a scooby doo party as well.

>>383488948
DeSu 2 is garbage
DeSu is perfect though

>>383488604
Kazuyuki Yamai is the secret hero who did the real job back then

>>383489059
you have to be blind to think that shit looks good

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>>383488948
holy shit >>383485386 was right

devil survivor might actually be the first game i returned
what an awful, shit game
no idea why SMTfags pretend their series is good or even appealing to look at

>>383489001
>Nocturne killed the Cyberpunk themes and the "human protagonist that has to rely on a party of demons to carry his ass through the game" gameplay

>>383488804
I think so yeah

Its been literally 2 years though I dont want to watch cutscenes to understand

>>383488908
>>383489018

Kek. I hope he at least realized how fucking awful Medusa was. It was literally devianart tier.

>>383489163
this was a big part of its failure in Japan

they're fucking obsessed with their SMT tropes there. SJ failed for the same reason.

>>383489124
It's sprites on 3D maps, what the hell is even wrong with it?

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>>383489075

You're thinking of SNES-Era Kaneko. His Saturn and Sony-era designs took more inspiration from the source material.

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>>383488786
I love how Doi's solution to IV Lucifer is making him smirk and sit the fuck down

>>383487798
SMT4A is a thing. How are you possibly denying this

>>383489163
>implying
Just get charm bullets and you cheese most encounters, since demons are fucked dude to Mag
>>383489193
All Doi had to do was to redraw it and she looked good.

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>>383488330
Whoever did Minotaur in SMT IV deserves all the praise he can.

>>383489232
the maps look shit
the characters look shit
the UI looks shit

the only thing that isn't wrong with it is the designs, particularly the new ones. Jezebel is one of my favourite Kaneko designs

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Was this any good?

>>383489225
>SJ failed for the same reason

Because of the whole no Tokyo thing? Too bad, SJ was a nice homage to mainline gameplay and presentation.

>>383489286
Yeah, excluding OP game-breaking gear, I mean. More of being able to use magic.

>>383489378
Its a mainline SMT game

so no

really tired of this generic anime design

>>383489250

>tfw you actually liked AYY Lmaocifer

I just really like how he's a midpoint between humanity and divinity but can't lay claim to either side.

>>383487798
he is right that it used to be one of the big 3 in Japan, but the big 3 were Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy and SMT. After Nocturne took ages to come out and then wasn't received well it slipped out of the public consciousness.

>>383489323
That guy did

>Minotaur
>Dullahan
>Tenkai
>Napaea
>Chemtrail
>Sanat
>Ancient of Days

>>383489378
excellent gameplay
average dungeons
shit story

>>383489338
>the maps look shit
>the characters look shit
>the UI looks shit

I'm afraid I can't relate at all. Then again, I think Nocturne looks like shit and everyone things Nocturne looks great.

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>>383489075
>But as you can see, the original is very similar to his rendition, it is pretty fucking great. kaneko would have probably drew a blue old man.
What the fuck are you talking about
A lot of Kaneko's designs are literally the same
Like 99% of his Goetia designs

>>383489163
I don't recall Nocturne failing in Japan
Regardless if I was a jap that played SMT during it's golden 90s era you bet I'd be mad af after waiting 10 fucking years for a new mainline and finding out it's vanilla Nocturne
I honestly don't consider Nocturne a bad game but as a mainline it's literally puke inducing

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>>383489378

yea

>>383489468
most of those were alright

>>383489535
it did fail, that's part of the reason why the series creator left Atlus and they put out a revised version less than a year later

>>383489428
>the big 3 were Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy and SMT
In what alternate timeline?

>>383489428
SMT was never a big 3 jrpg franchise. Stuff like Tales and Pokemon deserve that distinction more.

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>>383489468
>Minotaur and Sanat were done by the same dude.

fucking how

>>383489547
A bit more than alright.

>>383488858
i'll give you shitty maps and lackluster srpg stuff.
>art
opinions
>combat isn't that fantastic
smt combat was never complex

desu excelled in having meaningful dialogue. completely optional investigations to find new information which unlocks new routes and battles, optional battles that if ignored result in characters permanently dying and being locked out of their routes instead of just giving you a bullshit game over, multiple non-alignment endings that weren't just shitty law flavors like reasons.

>>383489624
>>383489628
we're talking fucking years ago when Tales and Pokemon were still new. SMT 2 particularly was huge in Japan.

>>383489624

the one where we got Eternal Punishment PSP localized

>>383489250
>>383489421

He would looked amazing in Doi's if wasn't for the pregnant hand. I suppose he didn't want to get rid of the complete design.

>>383489661
>meaningful dialogue
>in an SMT
wew

I did like the routes though. The endings were decent, but not extreme enough for me.

I don't hate DeSu by any means, I just don't think it's much more than a 6/10.

>>383489543

>Thought I was gonna hate his pompous ass
>Best character arc in the game

>>383489661

>mfw Lawfag's death

Holy shit, that was brutal.

>>383489471
>shit story
Stop this meme. The story was good and better than IVs undeniably. The characters are shit the story itself isnt

>>383489661
>smt combat was never that complex

Maybe not meaningfully complex, but the older games had a stupid amount of status effects, elements and other minutia like special abilities for each demon, not to mention you had to figure out what the hell everything did

>>383486610
>Greatest 3D Megaten
Also the only full 3d mainline, so it doesn't really have any competition. 4/4A don't count, they were a hodgepodge of 3rd person exploration and first person 2D combat.

Not saying that Nocturne was a bad megaten by any means. Just saying that 5 will likely blow it out of the water

Don't kid yourselves. You know exactly how Atlus has been playing it up, the Switch game is almost guaranteed to be SMT5

>>383489880
it's a Giten reboot

>>383489854

>Better than IV's

Dagdafag, please go.

>>383489686
If you're talking 1994, then that would be around the time when FE was in its heyday and release its best selling game until like Awakening and I'm quite certain that Ys had quite a few games out then too.

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>>383489648
He also did Koga Saburo a.k.a Kamen Rider cameo.

>>383489535
>A lot of Kaneko's designs are literally the same

That's the joke.jpg

I'm aware of that Kaneko did same renditions as well, but i'm just joking how Kaneko tends to change his art to a different skin colored person instead of adding a charm/personality like mephisto had.

I like that SJ is literally the ONLY SMT game where you are actually encouraged to have demons of the same alignment in your party
At least the first few games had a party alignment lock, but nu-smt is all about puke inducing lore breaking shit like le Metatron & Beelzebub in the same party :DDD

>>383489962
Fire Emblem was 4 years old, it was hardly established as a long running franchise then.
SMT is fucking old man, it predates fucking Final Fantasy.

>>383490083
it's not like the demons have a choice, they're under a contract

>>383488374
Nine was garbage which is why shit was never in the west

Alice so trash she couldn't even be added in the rerelease my sides

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Raidou 3 with detective mechanics and good combat when

>>383490105
Megaten as a series came out in 1987 but if you're referring to SMT in particular, then it didn't come out until 1992 which means that it was still relatively new.

>>383489404
I guess so but honestly str was better tha most offensive magic in SNES days. More reliable to crit and do high numbers compared to magic in which you don't even know weaknesses and you relied on Zio and a healer or with 2 a demon with extra physical skills

>>383490182

never

the soul hackers port is the last devil summoner game we ever got

>>383489661
>opinions

No nigga, DESU looks ugly as fuck, literally some garbage ass designer. He has no reason to make titts point upwards except pandering garbage

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>>383489323

Do we know who the director and scenario writer of SMT 5 is?

>>383490273
True, magic made early game a breeze at least before you could pimp the Hero with all sorts of crazy gear and before you got more demons.

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>>383490141
According to SMT1,2,if.., Devil Summoner & Soul Hackers they do
Basically all relevant SMT games before Nocturne

>>383490182
Never since that 1900s Japan setting is boring af

>>383490303
>literally some garbage ass designer
Fucking this, Yasuda was a mistake.

>>383490249
Obivously megaten you dumb fuck, that's what the series is called.

>>383489686
>SMT 2 particularly was huge in Japan.
>Big 3
>in the SNES time
You must be drunk, the million sellers big boys during the fourth generation were Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and SaGa games on consoles and by that time Pokemon was already big on handhelds too, SMT II couldn't compare with any of those series, it was more in line with the "lesser" franchises of the time like Metal Max.
Even Chrono Trigger, at the time a completely new IP, managed to surpass SMT.
>>383490385
>Never since that 1900s Japan setting is boring af
It's the best setting in the series together with SJ, you pleb.

>>383490385
>1900s Japan setting is boring af

Shut your mouth cunt, it's aesthetic as hell

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>>383489075
On the other hand, his Krishna doesn't have blue skins which is a huge part of Krishna's usual depiction in Hinduism.

He did got the flute and combine his young boy and philosopher-king aspect though

>>383486796
>smt is idol shit
Dug your own grave there.

>>383490083
>only
demon co op became less useful as you went on and Mem Aleph discouraged same alignment.
1 and 2 did it better, you were actively barred from demons of the opposing extreme being in your party.

>>383490519
if you want to disagree with japanese gaming magazines in the 90s then go ahead

I don't care what they do just as long as they don't replace the music with J Pop

>>383490557
Prolly want to avoid too much similarity and lawsuits due to religion? Probably why Buddha is a gold girl as well

>>383490567
>Dark Mage uses a fucking stave
>Knight uses a fucking axe

I swear #FE was some Compile Heart/ Idea Factory that at the last minute, Nintendo bought the rights to and had Atlus redesign it.

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>>383490574
>idolshit
You just proved you've never played it.

>>383489768
>but not extreme enough for me.
Did you play vanilla or OC?
Naoya you run around murdering everyone who tries to attack you or become a benevolent dictator and turn them against the angels, if you kill people your own party members from before turn on you and you fuck them up along with metatron
Law you become jesus and go around converting people who are marked for purging by the angels then beat okuninushi to solidify yhvh's control over lesser deities
yuzu's bad ending is expanded so that everything is so fucked yhvh abandons the world and you have to try and fix everything, it has two endings and one of them is the world being trapped in chaos forever because you fucked up.

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>>383490519
>SaGa games
>millions seller

>>383490557
Krishna always had a flute in myth right?
>>383490290
>Devil summoner 1 translation never ever

>>383490385
>1900s Japan setting is boring af

But it's comfy

>>383490716
>Knight uses an axe
FE4 and FE5.

>>383490717
Switch/PS4 port when

>>383490720
both
I'm not saying they weren't violent or anything, but compare that to the shit you get in other SMT games

>>383489614
>that's part of the reason why the series creator left Atlus and they put out a revised version less than a year later

>goty/directors cut editions releasing nearly a year later is uncommon lmfao

DDS is what killed Atlus and made them lose tons of staff in japan while the game sold far better in the west along with nocturne

>>383490557
I think they made him brown because he was meant to look more human so he could appeal to them better or someshit

>>383486206
Man, wish they didn't spoil her looks.

>>383490731
Not him but contrary to popular belief, SaGa back then was actually a really big deal. Romancing SaGa 2 and 3 are really popular games in Japan and the series didn't actually lose steam until around the PSX era.

>>383490625
>if you want to disagree with japanese gaming magazines in the 90s
First of all, who are you quoting?
Secondly, yes, I disagree with japanese gaming magazines of the time when they give a 24 score to games that end up being million units seller cults and revered as timeless classics compared to games that get 30+ and are completely forgotten.

But if you think some old magazines are more reliable than real life, be my guest.

>>383490717
>You just proved you've never played it.

Not like that would be the most surprising thing ever considering.

>>383490385
>Never since that 1900s Japan setting is boring af
I'll fight you.
What about the post occupation Showa era (60's) as a setting then?

>>383489854
>better than IVs undeniably
no?

>>383490720
Yuzu helping Betatron was hilarious.

>Hahaha, we have an powerful angel on our side, humanity is saved from filthy Chaosfags
>Wait, angel-kun, please don't genocide humanity
>Chaosfags, please defeat the angel for me

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>>383490780
Never.

>>383490716
>stave
It's a microphone.

>>383490385
>Never since that 1900s Japan setting is boring af
consider suicide

>>383490840
in 2003 in sure as fuck was

>>383490840
he also quit long after DDS was released or Nocturne was brought to the west, so that's completely irrelevant.

>>383483768
>SMT: BLACKED Journey
Don't care.

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>>383490574
Shh, these niggas are still in denial.

>>383490898
But I don't wanna buy a Pii U
>>383490884
What about Shogun vs Imperial Japan? Meiji is law root and Shogun is Cayaws

>>383490875
I think they give a better impression of the situation in Japan then than some guy probably living in America in 2017 does.
I don't have a source for them since it came from translations I read two and a bit years ago, but they are out there.

>>383490731
>Saga Frontier sold over 1.05 million copies in Japan by the end of 1997

Who plays neutral here because both sides tends to be massive assholes.

I wish it wasn't so black, and even despite law brainwashing people, it would still be a good decision overall instead of an obvious narcissistic evil

>>383490774
Oh yeah, Sword Armor and Axe Armors.

>>383490887
The writing in IV was some of the worst, poorly thought out garbage I've ever seen. Apocalypse might have been generic JRPG, but it was at least competent and didn't have gigantic holes in the story.

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>>383490887
SMT IV
>hur hur youre the chosen one you get a program to summon demons samurai!
>discover theres an underground world
>haha go figure you're the chosen one too now fight god bitchboy and the devil like you do in every game!

Apocalypse
>you fucking die in the first 10 minutes
>yo youre not actually the chosen one but imma use you and make you strong enough to kill gods for me, deal?
>holy fuck we dont just got lucifer and whatever peace of shit god sends at us we have to fucking kill god himself AND another faction

yeah i'll take apocalypse

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>>383491018
>Retardbasa
>is relevant in SMT #FE

>>383491026
>But I don't wanna buy a Wii U
You really hates video games that much?

>>383490898
>One redeeming factor besides the SMT gameplay of #Shit are the nice girl designs, especially Kiria
>No waifu/ romance/ shipping elements

Kek, it might have somewhat salvaged the game.

>>383491303
>You really hates video games that much?
Yeah

>>383491065
To be fair Atlus can't into endings and they are becoming worse over time. It's like they want you to push into the neutral/reject the gods ending no matter what.
I think SMT II had the more balanced and enjoyable endings of the franchise.

>>383490898
Eh, holding a staff/microphone or whatever didn't bother me because staff using dark mage assholes were the devil back in the day and it was't until Awakening when they dropped staves entirely.

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>>383490731
SaGa 1 on the GB sold over a million units, being the first million unit seller for Squaresoft and arguably one of the most successful and popular gameboy games of all times, all other SaGa bar Unlimited, the various remakes and Scarlet Grace sold over a million units and games like Romancing SaGa 2 and 3 or Frontier are some of the most relevant games of all time in Japan, especially in pop culture.

Not to mention that SaGa was and is one of the most influential series of all time in Japan, we wouldn't even have pokemon if it weren't for it.

>>383491296
>hur hur youre the chosen one you get a program to summon demons samurai!
that's just because Flynn a reincarnation of someone that used to be in the CDF and the comp recognises Flynn's DNA
The EXACT SAME thing applies to Nanashi actually

>>383491401
Awakening's Dark Mages irritated me, I loved it when they were socially-awkward badasses in heavy robes and not retards in skintight clothes.

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>>383491316
>No waifu/ romance/ shipping elements
Leave that trash to Persona.

>>383491345
Poor guy.

>>383490362
We don't even know if it's mainline yet or some other spin-off naming bullshit.
Daily reminder that SJ lost its 'IV' only because "muh tokyo".

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>>383491065
Just make alignment waifus and call it a day.
The power of a girl would override any sane judgement on the bias of neutral.
I do wish they at least tried to paint the exteme alignments in a better light, law and chaos can't be good forces anyway and if from IVA, we can assume the idea of a demons existing with the alignment choices isn't guaranteed as Dagda in the end helps you create one where humans exist solely and Danu has that whole coexistence bend.

>>383491539
>Leave aside the one actual gameplay element that could have made #shit less shit

Kek, what else is there? Idolshit? Jpop? The story was fucking awful.

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>>383490909
>in 2003 in sure as fuck was

Then there's silent hill 2, rogue galaxy, fatal frame 2 and residents evil

>>383486796
Didn't smt/fe sell like absolute shit? I've never seen anyone, even here on /v/, saying good things about it.

>>383491528
I didn't mind the Egyptian aesthetic that they were going for the dark mages in Awakening since they were from a desert nation. The real problem is that Tharja and Henry were basically the same super quirky character in the localization because they fucked over Henry and flanderized Tharja a bit. The latter got off easy since she still has some good supports if you're willing to look into them.

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>>383491610
Well, NINE has Law and Chaos heroes and heroines based on the sex of the main character
The female ones actually fight for your cock at least
They're also designed by that hentai artist

>>383491573
it is literally called smt v

>>383487468
Most people like both. People here just love to argue and shitpost.

>>383491539
Well to be fair the girls still wanted the Itsuki D so there was still that element, but Atlus just didn't put in any system.

>>383491692
There are people who say good things about TMS in that its a decent game covered in things that wouldn't appeal to everyone.

>>383487468
I like persona too but compared to SMT it is utter garbage, it also killed the franchise

>>383491692
/V/ never says anything good, and yes it sold well.

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Just like you killed your friends.

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Who would you guys prefer as the composer of SMT V? Meguro or the one that did SMT IV?

I loved SMT IV's soundtrack so I want the next with the same composer.

>>383491985
How well did it sell, any numbers?

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>>383491793
>girls

>>383491985
kek no it didn't

HOY

>>383492096
It sold enough that IIRC Avex was considering doing a 2nd one.

>>383491914
>Killed
Persona is literally the only thing keeping Atlus alive, friendo

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>>383492096
these are the debut sales
it dropped off the charts after this
>>383492184
that was because of the peripheral sales on OSTs, concerts and shit

>>383491692
The issue with TMS is that outside of the battle system which is ripped right out of SMT, everything else is garbage. Awful story, idolshit, stupid battle animations, incredibly retarded character design of the transformed characters and the mirages. The problem is that the core battle system is taken right out of SMT so they can use that whenever someone criticizes the game.

It's only virtue is that the gameplay was done by Atlus.

>>383492239
(you)

>>383492184
Not game sales that did well, it was the idolshit stuff like concerts and music CDs.

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>>383492073
Anyone. Even SMT #FE guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwnuC_4dtk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzJVmw43vg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzMeFnotI8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrn4gKmMDfY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBaRP0ewGMs

>>383483768
Good

>>383491985
If it did so good why Nintendo always ignores it? Even fucking Wonderful 101 got more spotlight than #FE.

>>383492275
Stay in denial if you want

>>383492184
>>383492260
So the game itself didn't sell that well, but the merchandise did.

>>383492239
No shit pandering to the lowest common denominator gives you money. There is enough of this garbage on anime, i don't need on my vidya as well.

They should just turn persona into a visual novel to satisfy the hungry otaku virgins and leave SMT untouched and not influenced by that abomination.

>>383492073
Masuko
Kozuka/IV composer I'd prefer too, his shit is pretty good
>>383491765
See, two bird in one stone.

>>383492184
>Avex was considering doing a 2nd one.

They never said this, anon is damage controlling the game sales were garbage

>>383483768
rip kaneko

>>383492184
Why you lying anon?

>>383492556
>but the merchandise did.

Yeah which persona itself already sells well on on top of actually selling game units

>>383483768
Looks fine. Keep bitching.

>>383489726
Never got that part anyway, why would the host be birthed again?

How the fuck should Walter even be able to turn himself back into a Human when he is already an embryo in Lucifers arm?
In other words, 4A shat allover that design whatever ever the actual idea behind it was.

>>383492563
T. hungry otaku virgin