Is the first gen really the best?

>>383466794
>glitched mess
No but it gets a pass since it was their first attempt

Of courrse not, silly. Nobody genuinely thinks gen 1 was the best gen objectively, it was a buggy unbalanced mess. But they might personally love it the most because of nostalgic reasons.

HG/SS was clearly the objective peak of the series

Gen 2 is objectively better in every way and the more recent games are arguably even better than that, people just let their memory of Pokemon as a social fad cloud their judgement when evaluating the game itself.

>>383466794
every pokemon from gen 1 is likable and odds are that it is someones favorite pokemon. it goes down hill from there

>>383466794
Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald is the best.
No, my first Pokémon game was Blue actually.

>>383466936
Couldn't have said it better my self.

you could pass the game using psychic since everything was poison or part posion
seriously, nobody saw how much poison type they ,made?

>>383467042

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>>383466794
The first gen had a charm about it that the others could never really capture. Maybe it was because it was all still new, and fresh at the time. Mechanically it sucked balls.

(Your Favorite) Gen is the the best gen

Gen 3 was the best, but gen 3's remakes of gen 1 are pretty great too.

>>383466794
Gameplay
Gen 2, cause you get to backtrack Gen 1 map

>>383467132
>tfw you will never fug misty.

>>383467251
R/S/E or OR/AS which do you prefer

>>383467252
Mt. silver is pretty cool

>>383466936
Gen 2 had a pretty bad story though

>>383466936
This, or FR/LG if you're a Gen3fag

>>383466794
It's simple, comfy, original and self contained. A solid game with very few faults and addictive gameplay. With that said, the graphical and gameplay upgrades from the latter gems did a really good job addressing some quality of life issues gen 1 had. All and all a solid game, can be a retro favorite but games like emerald and platinum are vastly superior.

>>383467348
Haven't played the new remakes, but I heard they're not as good. Difficulty is lowered for no reason, game corner is removed, and so on. Can't really say whether new game mechanics make up for anything or of anything vital was removed til I play it myself.

>>383466936
spbp

>>383467492
Was it really that much worse than any other gen's story though ?

>>383467042
my nigga. BUT I love all first 4 gens a whole lot.

>pokemon will never go back to the overcoming asshole rival and becoming the very best plot

Soul silver/ heart gold is the best experience.

X/Y if you really want better visuals though.

>>383466794
>Bugged as fuck
>Ugly sprites
>Pretty much no end game stuff other than mewtwo
>can only trade onto gen 2 (same goes with gen 2)
Firered/Leafgreen are alright though.

>>383466794
no, gen 2 is arguably the best. It has 2 regions and shit.

>>383466794
Every Gen except for 5 is good

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HG/SS: Best single player and aesthetics
Gen 4 in general: Best metagame
Sun/Moon: best gameplay mechanics
Best endgame: Emerald
Best atmosphere: subjective as each sequel tries to evoke a specific real world culture and whatever you find the most comfy is your own personal taste
Best monster design: If you are only playing these games based on what the monsters look like then fuck you your opinion means nothing

>>383468449
I play them mostly for the monster design, the gameplay isn't anything special compared to most other RPGs. The monster design is consistently top notch though, and always lets me have an interesting party of cool monsters.

I see no issue in playing for the monster designs.

>>383466794
No. Gen 2 was superior in that the designs were better and the system was optimized to the point that they literally had twice the amount of space to work with.

>>383466794
No second gen is

First is cool too

>>383467546
The difficulty is "lowered" only if you use things that weren't in the originals, i.e. Megas, Exp.All and O-Powers.

Am I the only one who thinks the 3D models look like shit for the main games?

I enjoyed every pokemon game with 2D sprites (except BW1) and lost interest halfway through each 3D one

>>383468015
What "overcoming"? There was never any "overcoming". You constantly shit on the rival at every single occasion. At least Blue understands it quickly and just has fun with you while being cocky at the end, Silver is one of the worst rivals because he doesn't get it until the very end.

Yes.

>le buggy mess xD
Barely any of the bugs are actually noticeable in normal gameplay.

>>383468921
I think every single mainline 2D Pokemon game looks very awful except for the backsprites from fourth gen. Spinoffs like Conquest, those have good 2D.

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>>383469025
>Barely any of the bugs are actually noticeable in normal gameplay
They're also fun when you're just messing around with them

>>383469025
It's not really bugs but some of the intended mechanics were fucking stupid and exploitable

>crit chance linked to speed
>permafrozen
>sleep takes a turn to wake up
>fire spin et al.
>psychic types

>>383469187
Shadow Tag and Arena Trap simply existing is worse than all of those.

Every gen except 7 is fine. 6 is a bit on the weak side however but they did a fine job with the mega evolutions.

>>383466936
>buggy unbalanced mess

t. tourneyfag

>>383466794
When it comes to the Gotta Catch Em All aspect of the game, then yes.

>>383468873
Then they should of increased the trainer levels to balance it out. Instead they released it as a fast as they could so they could shift focus on Sun and Moon. Gen 6 all together feels half assed and rushed, bad pacing issues, lower difficultly, majority of the time must of gone to the 3d models.

>>383469025
Yeah, the bugs are minor for the most part. The thing that really makes gen 1 lacklustre from a normal playthrough-standpoint is that the number of moves were absolutely pitiful compared to later games with much larger storage and memory space. Some pokemon in gen 1 learn only like 4 or 5 moves, of which 2 or 3 can be absolute garbage moves like growl or screech. The lack of moves is made even worse by the fact that some types don't have any good moves at all, like bug or ghost types.

And if you're playing gen 1 for the first time without a guide or the internet, the game gives you literally no information about what effect a move will actually have, which is incredibly annoying when you have to forget an old move to learn your new move.

>>383466794
nah thats nostalgia, anyone saying 1 is the best is pure postalgia fagging, gen 2 itself was simply an improvement all round, and gen 2 isnt even my favourite.

>>383469516
>Then they should of increased the trainer levels to balance it out
They did, retard. They're also conscious that not every player is going to use what they're given.


......you don't use the Masterball on the cover legendary, do you?

crystal was the best, no IV training or other retarded bullshit

>>383469621
>gen 2 itself was simply an improvement all round
>that leveling curve
>that shit region
>that awful, butchered Kanto
Aside from day/night and some mechanics, the core was awful.

>>383469632
No they didn't, It's the exact same as RS. In fact, ORAS is a near carbon copy of RS with the only main differences being 3d graphics, a reused battle maison from XY, and a post game mission. HGSS incorporated elements from Crystal and made the AI tougher, ORAS did neither. There's no point in playing ORAS, just play Emerald.

>>383469783
Bait?

>>383469842
>No they didn't
Except they did you fucking retard.

>HGSS incorporated elements from Crystal and made the AI tougher
Yeah but Crystal added fuck-all to GS unlike Emerald. And they didn't make anything "tougher".

>>383469960
He probably meant, that hardly anybody knew about it yet, so you weren't forced to do it if you wanted to win.

Gen 2 is OBVIOUSLY the best

Improved everything from the first game, it even lets you play in Kanto and pull the nostalgia trick being the inmediate sequel

>Pokemon design still on point
>Dark tone continued (Burned tower, the dead dog trio, Lugia hidden in depth water, Team Rocket experimenting with Pkmn, your rival etc)
>Even Iwata had to code itself the compression which made Kanto+Johto in the same cartridge a thing
>16 badges
>Metagame improved (steel and dark types)
>Egg / breeding system
>Pokegear being used to improve the endgame
>Legendary dungeons x2
>etc

>>383466794
No, second gen is and always will be best

>>383470062
Maybe YOU and I and HE weren't forced.

What people seem to not know is that there were plenty of official tournaments even back them, and those used all the bullshit they could find, just like now.

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>>383466794
Obligatory

>>383466794
It's the complete experience without all the bells and whistles of later gens. It not meant to be played competively. It's an intimate single player experience.

>>383470062
IVs existed but there was no global cap, where you're fucked if you ever battled one pokemon wrong when leveling. instead there was a cap for each stat, and you could always max them out.

In terms of Pokemon designs
Gen 2 > Gen 3 > Gen 7 > Gen 1 > Gen 4 > Gen 5 > Gen 6

In terms of gameplay
Gen 3 > Gen 7 > Gen 4 > Gen 2 > Gen 5 > Gen 6 > Gen 1

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Second Gen says hi

>>383469819

nope nope nope

you are wrong.

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>>383470352
>Typhlosion cool as fuck
>Feraligatr cool as fuck
>gay leaf dinosaur AGAIN

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>>383470290
>implying anything prior to the physical/special split and online is worth being the best gameplay wise
swap 3 and 4. I might not like Sinnoh as a region but it did more to advance the gameplay than 3 did

>>383469394
Even for casual play, it was fucked up.

>>383466936
>HG/SS was clearly the objective peak of the series
They kept the shitty postgame levels but those are still the second best remakes

>>383467042
>Ruby/Sapphire
mediocre games, Emerald is good

>>383469819
Kanto was only thrown in as a bonus. It was never meant to be in there and it's nice that they managed to fit it. Fuck you.

>>383469025
>gen 1 hypnosis
>gen 1 hyper beam
>gen 1 leech seed
You can suck my cock nostalgiafag

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>>383470497
>Typhlosion cool as fuck

>>383466794
yes

every other gen lacks ambition

>>383467042
RSE was good, but it really bothered me that you couldn't catch Gen 1 and 2 pokemon there.

>>383470571
What did gen 4 actually add gameplay-wise? I can't remember.

>>383466950
>Gen 2 is objectively better in every way
wrong. it's only better in ways that don't matter. it's mostly just a rehash

>>383469819
Gen 2 was such an insane jump it justified the shit level curve, it was the doom for gen 1's Wolfenstein 3D
>genders
>breeding
>rematches
>hold items
>berries
>shinies
>Pokérus
>Psychic nerf and one of the best types ever

>>383471095

item, genders and breeding, and a day and night as well as twice the amount of pokemon to catch is definitely an improvement gameplay wise

you are the one who is wrong

>>383470571
Agreed, it made movesets much less of a pain to create
>>383471061
Gen 2 was the special attack/defense split, gen 4 made it so attacks would be attack of special attack depending on the move itself instead of the type, moves received physical/special counterparts like shadow ball and shadow claw so you could take advantage of each pokémon's stats

>STAB attacks
>HMs
>only a handful of Pokemon are viable
>Gen 1 was a buggy mess
>Gen 2 brought genders
>Gen 3 brought personality values and
>Gen 4 brought arbitrary evolutions
>Gen 5 brought mega evolutions
>inflated amount of legendaries after Gen 2
Pokemon sucks in hindsight.

>>383471424
Oh, I thought that happened in gen 3. Yeah, that's a way more useful change than abilities or natures.

>>383471465
Well HMs are gone in gen 7 but I don't know if it'll last. Also IVs were in gen 1

>>383466794

you know what's really the best? mommy's kisses :) i know my mommy loves me because me me am good boy and special number one good good big boy for my mommy! :)

>>383467492
who gives a fuck about story in Pokemon? They're all trash stories.

>>383471053
You can catch Gen 1/2 Pokemon from the Abra, Magikarp, Goldeen, Marill, Geodude, Zubat, Tentacool, Machop, Magnemite, Voltorb, Oddish, Doduo, Slugma, Grimer, Koffing, Sanshrew, Jigglypuff, Staryu, Vulpix, Pikachu, Psyduck, Wobbuffet, Natu, Girafarig, Phanpy, Pinsir, Heracross, Rhyhorn, Chinchou, Horsea lines.

Gen 1 was the best in terms of the world and monster design

The best overall is HGSS and the peak of the meta was Platinum

>>383471740
But they are all shite except Magnemite, Natu, Machop, Chinchou and Zubat.

>>383471053
gen 3 is a pain in the ass if you want to complete the dex. Along with event only Pokemon, you have to get Pokemon RSE, FRLG for the kantomons, plus Colosseum and Gale of Darkness for the Johtomons. GTS made things so much easier

>>383471624
GF doesn't know how to handle story either
>enter new area
>!
>NPC walks to you
>exposition or cutscene you can't skip
>some shitty battle you can win with a single mon
>everybody sucks your cock for being the chosen one
>some tutorial shit you can't skip until the evil team leader who is crazy tries to use the box legendary to take over the region or destroy the world
BW was the worst for this

>>383471465
Gen SIX brought mega evolutions.

I just want my fucking Pokemon 64 already

LEARN FROM BREATH OF THE WILD AND GIVE ME MY ANIME/POKEMON SPECIAL SIMULATOR

>>383471837
>Abra
>shit
>fucking Natu and Zubat
How to spot shit taste

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>Playing through FR again
>Get to Lavender Town after getting the Silph Scope
>"The ghost was the restless spirit of Cubone's mother!"
>"The mother's spirit was calmed."
>"It departed to the afterlife..."
Gave me chills

>>383471465
>Gen 4 brought arbitrary evolutions

My man Gen 2 had pokemon that fucking evolved when your "friendship" was maxed out. How much more arbitrary can they get?

>>383471860
Don't forget that dumb sidequest you had to do in FRLG just to unlock the trading between regions
>>383471959
>anime simulator
So filler and shitty characters until the final battle you lose?

>>383471969
>talking shit about Zubat
I would fight you if you didn't fight cancer. I am not a monster.

i remember that you could actually emulate the game on a dumb phone back in the day so yes

>>383466794
no. remakes of gen 2 are the best overall package. best of the new gen goes to sun/moon

>>383472078
Zubat are the niggers of the pokémon world, Crobat isn't even that great, at least Alakazam can sweep

>>383472078
>zubat defender
what's next a tentacool defender?

>>383467042
Agreed, despite Hoenn's problems.

And by problems, I mean fucking water routes. Whoever thought they should be populated by nothing but tentacools should be fucking shot.

>>383471759
>every route and city looks the same
>"best".
Eh. 4 maybe.

>>383467492
Even if it does, I don't see how it could be considered worse than the other gen's stories. The rival's growth and development is arguably the most well-done character arc in the entire series, the ties to RBY give it a feeling of continuity that all the other gens lack, there was some interesting lore with the towers, the beasts, and Ho-Oh, and the actual plot itself is pretty simple but inoffensive. In fact I think it's interesting that the evil team isn't actually trying to take over the world or anything like that in gen 2, they're just trying to recover and find their missing boss after Red wiped them out during the events of gen 1. And then the showdown with Red at the end is a GOAT moment.

I'm not even a storyfag, the stories in all the pokemon games is basically nonexistant, but if I had to pick one gen that I liked for it's story out of all of them, it would definitely be gen 2.

Gen1 is best because of the anime and Jigglypuff

>>383472062
Nope, big world filled with Pokemon that act like real animals, eating grass, in packs, hunting etc depending on species.

Let me ride on my large Pokemon or carry my small ones.

Give me a bad guy team that is realistically evil like the mob not "hurr durr lets flood the world"

Give me a rival I love to hate

Give my crazy arena gym battles that feel like real boss battles

Give me the feeling of adventure I got imagining what a real Pokemon Journey would be like

Give me a camera held item to play off rails Pokemon Snap

>>383472190
>disliking Tentacruel

Fag.

>>383471916
I lost track after Gen 3 to be honest.

>>383466794
It has huge nostalgic value because at that time it was the only game that vast and interesting. I loved Blue. However, anyone agrees that it had huge glitches and clusterfucky bugs.

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>>383466936
>HGSS was better than BW2
In what universe are you living in? HGSS was fantastic but it wasn't even the best 4th game, that was Platinum.

>>383472190
I like both, cool designs and fun moves

>>383472474
Show up in undiverse routes, though.

Zubat would have a better reputation if he wasn't literally the most common pokemon in every cave.

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>>383472190

I unironically love Golbat and Tentacruel.

>>383472190
Tentacruel fucking rocks, you pleb. And Crobat is amazing too while we're at it.

>>383466794
I played it when I was younger and never played against other people so it was obviously the best and most balanced game ever made.

>>383466794
Because you're blinded by nostalgia.

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>>383466936
I remember getting that pokewalker thing and taking it with me everywhere I went. Had a level 20 todadile before the first gym. God I need to replay HG.

>>383469187
This guy knows what's up. There's a difference between a game mechanic being imbalanced from a competitive standpoint and being obnoxious to the average player.

Don't forget the biggest offender.
>storage boxes
Holy shit who wants to collect them all when dealing with that garbage

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>>383466794
>least amount of pokemon due to being the first games
>buggy
>20% of the game is poison type
>worst region due to tiny routes that have 15 Rattata/Pidgey trainers thrown on them
>like half the designs have DBZ tier eyes
>gets its dick rode by GF at every turn and then some
>cant register the Bike to Select
>tiny bag that has everything in the same menu
>worst designed starters
>battle theme just sounds like a chaotic mess of notes

It's not a bad game, but compared to the 6 other gens, it places last. About the only reason to play it these days is to see how hard you can break the game with said bugs.

gen1 was great because it was new.
everything after gen1 was just more of the same.

it's like the modern call of duty games - the first of them (modern warfare) was pretty much universally loved and praised, but everything after that was just lazy 'more of the same' style cash grabs.

gen 2 was the best

>>383475240
Gen 4 is better since it has the best versions of the remakes of the gen 2 games.

why do people like pokemon anyway?

>gameplay is so bad that everyone uses the "repeal" item so there's less of it

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>>383474469
>worst designed starters
This line completely negates your entire post

>>383466936

the simple truth is that these are the OG pokemon and EVERYTHING after is derivative garbage

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>>383466794
FUCK no, gen 1 was a glitchy boring slog to get through. It's only worth it for the free mew and Kanto starters, that's it.

>>383466936
Black and White 2 are leagues better.

>>383471972
those non scoped ghost sprites were way too fucking spooks for me. gave me nightmares as a kid

>>383477538
You must have been easily spooked as a kid or super young when you played

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>>383466794

Not even close. I'd say the "best" games are Platinum and the original Black/White. The former for being everything people wanted the series to evolve into and the latter for being such a fun, experimental game that always manages to suck you in and feel fresh.

>>383477640
>the original Black/White
Being story oriented ruined the game's replay value unless you have nostalgia for it, when you already know the story it just becomes a tedious session of button mashing in between locations

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>>383478997

Eh, I'm a fan of the manga so B/W's story was quite welcome and I enjoyed the characterization and twists in it.

>>383467132

It's because it still had the Monster influence from Pocket Monsters. Look at the original sprites for Mewtwo, Dragonite line, etc.

Shit was intimidating and strong, before everything got reformatted to plushie-friendly proportions and colors.

There was a lot of really cool stuff, and if you check out the capsule monster concept art (the alpha) then you'll see that monster angle, with selling/buying, and just a mysterious world.

Gen 1 is the best unless you are an underaged summerfriendo.

>>383479752

Take off the rose-tinted glasses anon.

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>>383479752
I prefer to look at the art released as publicity of the game itself.

>intimidating and strong
LOL

>>383479752
>Shit was intimidating and strong, before everything got reformatted to plushie-friendly proportions and colors.
Are you kidding? Pokemon have got edgier with each gen, gen I was the least intimidating of all. Hell, their cuteness was part of their charm and the reason Pokemon won over the likes of Digimon, which tried the rougher and more intimidating monster designs

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>>383480051

>pokemon weren't originally meant to be fierce as fuck

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>>383480170

>Overinterpreting a rabbit Kaiju

Nidofags are the fucking worst

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>>383480170
Good job about not posting the original, much less intimidating and more rotund art, genius.

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>>383480254

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>>383480170
Yeah so intimidating, don't look at my pic if you're faint of heart guys wouldn't want you to get spooked now

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>>383479752
*edges ur path*

>>383480254

huh, guess I just imagined it all along

I pretty fucking clearly imagined it better than it is IRL and many people imagined the same from the general distaste of modern gens

>>383480418
Bottom left isn't a Pokémon, you fucked up Krabby and Kingler dumbass

>>383466794
Replayed yellow a while back and I had a lot of fun. Ditched the yellow rat because he's a useless piece of shit.

>>383480453
dude that thing looks like it would fuck you up

>>383480476
more polygons = more better!

>>383480484

Anon, Gens IV and V are the most common favorites.

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>>383480418
Nice fanart.

>>383480484
>the general distaste
4chan certainly isn't the general public.

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>>383466794
I enjoyed sixth gen the most.

In my opinion, what makes a pokemon game good is being able to choose you own team and X/Y let you do this with the fewest hoops to jump through to fill out your dex.

By the way, is the shiny rate really 1/512 in the friend safari?

>>383480839

I believe so. I've only encountered one legit shiny up to that point and it was fucking Sandile of all things and then 3 in Friend Safari, Banette, Dusclops, and Mightyena.

>>383480839

filename:
>difference in effort between gens demonstrated.gif

Gen 2 is the best. We have not seen as much improvement between two gens than 2 improved upon gen 1. The games up to this point focused on world building and exploration. The games after this point focused on the meta and it's been getting shittier ever since

>>383481051
>crab with anime eyes
>effort

4 > 2 > 5 > 1 > 6 > 3 > 7


Imo.
playing since Gen 1 came out

>>383481051
you are retarded

>>383481165
One of his paws is larger than the other though, that's design effort

Gen 1 is barebones and mechanically broken but FR/LG are good and added some post game content.

HG/SS are the best due to having 2 fully exploitable regions, the battle frontier from Platinum, and no edgy enemy team (team galactic is retarded). B2/W2 are second due to having good post game content as well but I find most gen 5 pokemon designs to be hideous. The new games are all nerfed and too easy.

>>383466794
BW2>HGSS>Plat>SM>BW>emerald>FRLG>ORAS>XY
This is the official tier list

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>>383481518
I like your taste my dude

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>>383481536

BW2 and HGSS are the most overrated entries in the franchise.

>>383481518
You're right in everything but a single thing, you can't go and complain about difficulty while praising THE easiest game.

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>>383481536
This except SM on the last. SM is pure garbage, I would buy it if it is $20 but other than that, freeshop is the go-to if you want to experience this abomination.

>>383481101
There is much more exploration in Gen III~IV and there's far more world building in Gen V~VII

What's good about the first two generations is they're more "grounded" and don't get stupidly in your face about everything, the worst part being sometimes the newer games have little bits about it that don't get so obnoxious about everything and show they can still do that but for whatever reason they consciously don't

>>383481518
>The new games are all nerfed and too easy.

Difficulty going from 2 to 1 on a 1-to-10 scale is barely noticable though.
Pokemon has literally NEVER had a single hard battle in the history of the series.
Anyone who disagrees doesn't know how to play the fucking game and just bashes their head against it. (e.g. Whitney)

>>383481671
Both have a great OST and a ton of content. The only problem with HGSS is the leveling.

>>383481820

Platinum Lucian and Cynthia
B/W Ghetsis

>>383481764
I enjoyed it more than X and Y because I can't think of anything I liked about it other than some music.

>>383481764
>mobileposter
>wojak
Eh.

>>383481764
Holy shit SM was hot garbage. XY and ORAS are right behind it as well.

>removed unique trainer themes

>boring story putting you to sleep with no way to skip it, killing all incentive to replay the game

>the most ass backward stat distribution for new pokemon since gen 1

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I like Ruby and Sapphire
Obviously everyone here has a special attachment to Gen 1 and probably Gen 2.

It's also very KINO
https://youtu.be/TO6ZA-21gIQ

>>383466794
Second gen was the best.

>>383481536

I couldn't get into B/W2 since it did away with a lot of the things I liked about the originals.

HG/SS was surprisingly boring due to the level curve and I didn't have the nostalgic cushion for Gen II making things more palatable.

>>383482131

>People DIDN'T realize the Vic Viper is slow as shit before upgrades

>>383481820
The games were never truly hard (I've only thought whitney and lucian in d/p were challenging), but starting with gen 5 where they reduced and limited the number of pokemon gym leaders/elite 4 can have, and in gen 6 with the exp changes and handholding (rivals teleporting you to locations you need to backtrack, obvious hints, etc) it's a noticeable difference. It feels like you're just going through the motions and don't have to think.

Sun/Moon is an improvement though I'll give them that

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Best designs in the franchise.

>>383482203
I had the nostalgic cushion for Gen 2 and i wouldn't touch HGSS again with a ten foot pole. Jesus christ how fucking boring, FRLG and ORAS didn't do this to me.

The GBA/DS remakes are the best gen. Everything before was too slow or had too many glitches, everything after had too much autistic storyshit to be enjoyable.

>>383481820
Battle Tower/Frontier/Maison/Tree

>>383482383
When can we stop pretending having unevolved pieces of shit in a team is more difficult than having actual Pokemon?

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>>383482406
>HGSS
>not ruined by autistic storyshit

The Kimono Girls were a mistake.

>>383482406
HG/SS was significantly slower than GSC. Gen 4's engine was fucking terrible.

>>383466794

Gen 2 is objectively the best in terms of gameplay mechanics.

But there is something to the simplicity of Gen 1, with its limited region, and fewer Pokémon to collect, that just charms me. Of course that could just be nostalgia talking...remember, back in the late-90's, Red/Blue were some of the biggest games, period.

>>383481671
So is Platinum, all three still deserve top placing.

>>383482383
>Sun/Moon is an improvement though I'll give them that

In what way? They added like a million cutscenes to every route and completely denied any sense of exploration in favour of sending the player down specific corridors everywhere they went. Battles are even easier since you can get rid of status afflictions after every battle for free

>>383466794
Official power level ranking

>god-tier
Bw2
Hgss
Platinum

>Good
BW
FRLG
Emerald.

>meh tier
DP
ORAS

>Shit tier
XY

>Nostalgia tier
RBY

>God slayer tier
Pokemon mystery dungeon series.
Colosseum and it's sequel

>>383483737
And as a result of being able to get rid of status effects after battle for free in Refresh, enemies actually pack status effect inflicting moves so they're actually a threat when you fight.

In general team building is improved compared to Gen VI and even a lot of Gen V. There's still stinkers like "dude Pain Split and lower AI difficulty setting than wild Pokemon lmao" Lusamine 2. And none of it matters because by the nature of its systems PvE in Pokemon can't be truly hard unless they start giving bosses creatures with absurd stat spreads that you can't obtain.

>>383484132
>And as a result of being able to get rid of status effects after battle for free in Refresh, enemies actually pack status effect inflicting moves so they're actually a threat when you fight.

Enemies did have and ab/use status effect moves in past gens

>>383484132
>Pokemon can't be truly hard unless they start giving bosses creatures with absurd stat spreads that you can't obtain.
I was really hoping for ultra beasts and totem pokemon to be just that, but they were just regular pokemon that gets a few buffs at the start of the battle.

>>383469291
No. Being prevented from switching isn't nearly as bad as the broken gen 1 stuff.

>>383484198
They do more often in SM. Once more, not that it really matters in practice.

>>383470994
Was he autistic?

>>383484468
Ultra Beasts are pretty damn powerful, good stats and movepools on most of them (cough Guzzlord cough) and Beast Boost is a really powerful ability. Never been able to beat the post game Battle Towers in any previous gens until S/M thanks to UBs and Beast Boost

The gen that I grew up with is objectively the best.

You should have grown out of pokemon by gen 2.

>>383466794

The best at being nostalgic for normalfag genwunners but otherwise it's the worst next to gen 6.

>>383466794
Don't get meme'd by nostalgiafags, pokemon only got better with each sequel, Except Black and white 1 and 2, those games were shit

>>383486054
which was gen 1 unless you're disgusting cancer born after 1995

>>383484005
>God tier (Amazing games, definitely worth playing)
HG/SS
PT
B2/W2

>Good tier (Pretty good games, have some flaws but ultimately a fun experience)
EM
FR/LG
B/W

>---------POWER GAP----------

>Outdated tier (May or may not be bad, but a newer game came out which makes these redundant)
R/B/Y
G/S/C
R/S
D/P

>Disappointment tier (Games which were expected to be good, but turned out to be mediocre/shitty)
S/M
OR/AS
X/Y

>>383486054
Gen 1 isn't the best gen though, you gotta have pretty serious nostalgia goggles on to believe that

>>383486634
>OR/AS
>disappointment

No

4 > 5 > 2 > 3 > 7 > 1 > 6

>>383466794
nobody ever said that

Everybody knows gold/silver/crystal is

>>383486615
This. Anyone who prefers anything else but gen 1 is a disgusting underage faggot and should kill himself.

>>383486815
Kill yourself, cuck.

The G1 games aren't the best, too primitive for that, but the story, characters, world and Pokemon are the best.

FR is my favorite Pokemon game.

I think Black and White 1/2 were the best overall. After the jump to 3D the series just lost it's charm with me. Even OR/AS were a little disappointing, though I played the hell out of them.

gen 1, gen 2 their remakes and emerald are the only games worth playing more than once

It feels like with each successive gen the actual single player element get worse and worse and the focus is breeding for all 31 IVs and multiplayer

>>383466794
5 > 4 > 3 > 7 > 6 > 1

>>383469394
>If you kill with hyper beam ypu can attack next turn
>Something only a tourneyfag would look at

Only faggots think HGSS is better than the original versions.

>shit music
>shit artstyle compared to the original

Completely soulless remake for the plebs who never touched the originals.

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>>383466936
A man of tastes.

Gen 4 was the last Pokemon gen.

Gen 4's A E S T H E T I C was such a welcome change after a gen of water trumpets and making the gen 1 remakes boring as shit by going full purist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD9NHjiEsYE

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>>383491309
>Perfectly translating the traditional Japanese aesthetic of Johto to the DS and making it look fucking gorgeous is shit art style
Both versions of the songs often have their merits and some of the new songs like vs Ho-oh are fucking amazing.

>>383467492
>story
>pokemon

lol

>>383486869
The 3DS Pokemon games are a disease

Handheld competition pretty much died because of them and they're like 6/10s at best.

>>383492124
I mean I don't disagree with you, I guess I'm just less cynical and while the 3DS games have been mediocre at best, I thought ORAS was the best of a bad bunch. Being able to fly around on Lati*s was a pretty cool feature

>>383492915
I mean I put a ton of hours into XY and ORAS too.

At some point while playing Sun and Moon I realized that this was it, this was the real face of Pokemon on the 3DS, not them preparing for a Platinum or BW2 that was going to blow us away. That the fabled great 3DS Pokemon game I had been effectively preparing for all these hundred something hours was never going to come out. And Pokemon wasted my time more than any other series this generation.

>>383466794
Yes.

The best part is how it was supposed to be cheerful and happy, but being on Game Boy, with lowres graphics, chiptune music, and desolate cities, it felt dark, sinister and depressive. This completely incidental mood is largely responsible for its success, and some of the earliest memes on which the series still sail.

It also had a perfect rooster of Pokemons, large enough to make them collectable, small enough to make a decently balanced game on which the average player can focus over the course of a single playthrough. The gameplay was straightforward and accessible too, anyone could pick it up and play, it didn't feel like you had to be an expert in Pokemon to play it, just an ordinary kid who likes video games. Sequels just added too many Pokemons to the point of silliness that weren't as good as the originals, and too many new mechanics for its own good while bringing no new major feature to a reused concept that already felt old. And they made the mood more cheerful, killing the unlikely charm of the original. Proof is, while countless people played the originals and remember them dearly, few of them continued to play the sequels.

The original isn't even in line with the anime, or any other material at the time. It's like a game that came from a separate timeline where Pokemon games are creepy and people play them alone at night under their covers. A timeline where Game Boys with backlit screens are widespread apparently.

>>383493193
Thanks for making me realize there isn't a rooster pokemon anon

>>383466794
>Getting Sand Attacked when your move is Rage.

Might as well turn it off and get back to that point again.