lets take a moment to discuss the greatest expansion of all time

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Sure OP, what part of it do you want to discuss?

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>>383441392
>>383441462

>Not Wrath.

>>383441462
gummy!

WotLK>MoP>BC>Cata>Legion>Vanilla>WoD

>>383441392
Not with that coma-inducing levelling experience and puke ugly zones

>>383441585
Haha, just kidding guys!

>>383441636
While the zone transitions in vanilla and WotLK were far better than TBC it was hardly ugly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1btODz3Zyk

The 21st cannot come soon enough

>>383441585
??????????

TBC > WoTLK > Vanilla > MoP > Cata > FFXIV > Runescape > MapleStory > ArcheAge > Rift > WoD > dying alone > Leejun

>>383441392

Wrath before they've implemented instant party queue was the best and comfiest expansion, anon

1. Mists of Pandaria
2. Legion
3. Warlords of Draenor
4. Wrath of the Lich King
5. Cataclysm
6. The Burning Crusade

>>383441856
will this be the greatest server of all time, bros?
>>383441947
northcraft soon, wrathfriend

>>383441771
I've taken dumps that look better than Shadowmoon, Netherstorm, Hellfire and Blade's Edge

Vanilla > MoP > TBC > Wotlk > WoD
Haven't played legion.

>>383442026
Fuck most of Outland but come on, Netherstorm is awesome.

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>>383441585
someone didn't play vanilla, it's essentially in its own tier

>le leejun is bad xd
Yes, some parts of it fucking suck. Making Illidan come back, the whole cheesy plot, legendaries being unbalanced as fuck and the way to get them, titanforging, all of that shit sucks.
They got pretty much everything else right though. The raiding is some of the best it's been, the leveling was great, there's plenty of content coming out at a fast pace, PVP is still unbalanced but gets tweaking much more often (it's only missing more content on that end, imo).
>inb4 but AP is so grindy it's shit xd
WoW was always grindy as fuck back when it was good. All of the old grinds are gone are are infinitely easier to do nowadays. AP keeps you playing and actually makes your character better, as opposed to picking up herbs all day. Besides, you easily get to Concordance these days, and after that, each point takes weeks to get and the increase is like 0.05% DPS per point, so it's pretty fucking useless at this point anyway.

Legion has been a fucking great expansion. Personally, I had never been subbed for this long before, but Legion has made me keep my sub the entire year already. And I didn't even pay a fucking cent for it, since you can easily get the necessary gold for a sub every month without even trying.

WoW is never going to be the same it was 10 years ago. But it's actually pretty fucking great right now, even with it's glaring shortcomings, the rest makes up for it.

>>383441497
wrath or go home

>>383441462
>expansion
can you not read

>>383442681
the issue with AP is it makes your weapon overly generic when the weapon is supposed a more unique item. Would any really take a legendary weapon over their amped up Artifact weapon?

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>>383442681
>servers deader than ever
>"i-i-i-i-it's f-f-f-fine"

WoW killed mmos

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>>383441392
Panda

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>>383442584
It was okay. Best part was just being around when they introduced new stuff like battlegrounds.

>>383442584
>someone didn't play vanilla, it's essentially a korean grindfest
ftfy

>>383442681
I think legion might actually beat wrath as the second best expansion. Nighthold was pretty good, albiet a bit rocky at the start, and mythic ToS has been pretty fun so far. The casual content in the expansion isnt amazing, but its still miles ahead of what MoP and WoD had to offer. Mythic + is a welcome addition, and a lot better than what challenge modes were. And like you said, its very easy to earn in game gold to pay for your sub.
it all comes down to how good the argus raid is. Wraths raid content was a lot stronger than legion's is right now, but all the extra content in legion has been pretty great.

WoTLK > Legion > MoP > Cata > WoD > BC > Vanilla

You cannot refute these facts.

>>383442928
They already confirmed that we won't be using these weapons next expansion anymore, so I'm guessing they're pulling something at the last raid or at the start of the next expansion where you have to "sacrifice" the weapon's power to seal or kill some shit and then they become a husk of a weapon and can't be used anymore.

>>383442952
Nice rebuttal faglord, where's the proof? Even my friends that were playing FFXIV are back to clear ToS Heroic at least because XIV has fuck all for content right now after their expansion launched and it's all still to be released.

>>383443198


>Thematically
Wrath > MoP > Legion > BC > Cata

>PvE
BC>>>>Wrath>=Legion>WoD>Mop>Cata

>PvP
Wrath>>Mop>Cata=BC>>>WoD

>>383443198
>>383443250
blizzdrones please see yourselves out

>>383443198
Wrath was like a roller coaster in the quality department with stuff like naxx being a rehash and ToC being pathetic while ulduar was incredible.

Legion on the other hand has just been consistently enjoyable but nothing that made me get super hyped except the first time you do the gul'dan fight and he rips a portal into space.

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>>383441392
But that's not the greatest expansion anon. This is.

>>383442952
>can find multiple large raids of all current and old tier content, dozens of mythic plus groups, and short-queue battlegrounds at absolutely any hour of the day
>dead

B-but I want more people to play my 2.5s GCD game...

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>>383442026
Hellfire Peninsula and Netherstorm were hype as hell

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BC >= Vanilla > Wrath = MoP > Legion > Cata > WoD

>>383441497
>>383441585
>>383442760
>>383443250

plebs with shit taste that never got to try tbc because by that time they were playing with action man

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>>383443716
>Entering those ethereal glass houses for the first time

Fuck the haters, Netherstorm is comfy as fuck

>>383443198
I'm not sure I agree with you on the raiding comparison to Wrath. On the one hand, you had amazing raids such as Ulduar and ICC on Wrath which were fucking amazing, but then you also had the spectacular failures that were ToC and Naxx (even though I liked Naxx, it's still a fucking rehash). Legion's raiding, on the other hand, gave us Nighthold and Tomb, which are easily some of the best raids we've had in the past few years, and a solid filler/expansion start with 10 bosses split between Emerald Nightmare and Trial of Valor. The only thing I think Legion needed more of, would've been 1-boss raids like Wrath had, to tie up some of the stories that never went anywhere, like the Sylvanas/Greymane arc, or some of the shit in Highmountain that was left up in the air (like the fag Tauren saying he has family business to attend to, when his last family is fucking Wrathion who has been gone for like 2 expansions now).

I'm not sure Wrath is better than Legion in raiding, I feel like they're pretty close right now, and Legion still has the potential to trump Wrath with the upcoming Argus stuff.

>>383443541
>people have different opinions, quick, damage control!
Fuck off retard, the grownups are discussing vidya.

>>383443679
enjoying the CRZ and BRs in your group that nobody asked for?

>>383443679
>B-but I want more people to play my 2.5s GCD game...
>muh ffxiv
i've never touched wowclone gookshit and i never will. wish i could say the same about nu-wow but oh well. im sure i've learned my lesson and won't be buying WORLD OF WARCRAFT™ HERALDS OF THE VOID LORDS® :^)

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>>383443716
Hellfire Peninsula was neat when you first got there but I couldn't stand it after long. BC leveling had to be my least favorite leveling in WoW's history. I'd probably put launch Vanilla over it.

>>383443889
I played every single expansion they put out for WoW, Wrath will always be my favorite with TBC a close second.

>>383443947
If you let BR's into your group thats on you, ragnaros is an automatic deny

>>383444049
>Launch vanilla smashing mobs for 5 levels because you ran out of quests better than outland
Are you high?

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Vanilla > BC > Wrath >legion > panda > Warlods > Cata

The correct hierarchy for anyone who who hasn't been playing since vanilla.

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Good gameplay and fun tier:

Wrath
MoP

Juicy tier:

BC
Early Cata before it got patched

Shitty cum tier:

Cata after the first tier was patched
WoD
Legion

DON'T MIND ME, JUST A GUY WHO ACTUALLY ENJOYS VIDEO GAMES AND APPRECIATES WHAT THEY SHOULD BE.

>>383444049
hellfire peninsula was awful, i can't believe you step through the dark portal and literally the first thing you do is COLLECT 10 BLOODS (not all the orcs have blood) AND PICKUP 7 WOOD

>>383443192
t. faggot nigger who's never played an actual korean grindfest

Even Vanilla is perfectly capable of keeping up with current content on a semi-casual level, it only got easier after it.

>>383443192
how wrong you are, Vanilla wasn't even bad for grinding.

>>383444183
At least I liked the zones and music for vanilla. EPL being the only decent zone for quests after 55 was really shitty though. Running out of quests there and going to Silithus only to find out the zone might as well not exist at the time was a bad feeling.

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>>383444220
>MoP ahead of legion after forcing holy power on shadowpriests

Literally quit the game after playing since vanilla from MoP being so shitty

>>383444441
I liked the zones and music but the lack of quests was not great, BC I liked the zones except shadowmoon and didn't run out of quests before hitting 70

tbc fucking sucks

>grind rep like some korean trash game
>the start of esport bullshit arenas
>shit lvl 70 talents
>muh meta pvp
>gay belfs

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>>383444680
don't forget fucking resilience

What's the best race&class to start playing wow with on this lord's year of 2017?

>>383444680
>People are still salty about fucking Belfs
Dunno if I should laugh or pity you

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>>383445045
Femundead warlock

>>383441585
>pandashit
lmao

>>383441462
>reading comprehension

>>383445045
uninstall wizard

>>383441856
warmane is pretty good

>>383445045
Worgen shadowpriest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnw15aY6RPU

>>383444680
>the start of esport bullshit arenas
Idiot that thought he was hot shit in BGs in Vanilla but then got ass raped in arenas detected.

>>383445045
Races are all homogenized in terms of racials, so you can pretty much pick whatever you like, the DPS difference comes up to around 0.X% between best and worse race for every spec, so just pick what you want.
As for class, depends what you want to play. Druids are pretty great right now, only Feral is shit, all other specs are top notch. Warrior is always a safe pick, still good tanks, both DPS specs doing well the entire expansion. Mage/Locks always had at least one top spec this expac, same for Rogue.

Whatever you do, don't pick DH/Monk/Shaman. Blizzard is out for blood with those 3. DH was good for a short while is now completely gutted, the other 2 were never even good the entire time.

>>383445045
Play a female night elf warrior.

>>383445606
cause theres wasnt a free win meta in arena

>spot the shitter

>>383445607
Any classes that get going faster or slower, or is it in all cases "get to max level to see if you are disappointed for your choice".

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>>383445606
>BGs are for shitters - only good players play Arena!

>>383445934
You can trial classes at high level in a short scenario in character creation

>>383445934
If by "get going faster" you mean you can see how they actually play out, you can actually create a "trial" character at level 100 and play it out for a bit. The only thing you'll be missing is the artifact ability, which is normally a slightly larger cooldown anyway. You don't have to pay the trial or consume it until you actually finish the small tutorial, iirc.

To specifically answer your question, I only play Warrior and Rogue, and Rogue was a pain in the ass to level up as. Warrior was ok, but I mostly tanked dungeons.

>>383445960
this is 100% true though

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>Best raiding
Burning Crusade

>Best PvP
Wrath

>Best community
Vanilla

>Best continent/zones
Mists

>Best questing
Warlords

>Best amount of PvE content
Legion

>Didn't do anything right
Cataclysm

Overall for me powerlevels would be
Wrath>BC>Vanilla(nostalgia version)>Legion>=Mists>Warlords>Vanilla(objectively)>Cataclysm

>>383446153
blizz says they dont balance arenas
yet arena take skills

>>383446176
Shit taste.

>>383441462
That is not an expansion; that is the base game. Everyone knows it was the best, we are trying to figure out what the best expansion was

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>>383446153

>>383446176
>>Didn't do anything right
dwarf shamans

>>383446237
>Zerging points takes more skill than 3v3 no respawns

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>>383445606
>Arenas
>balanced
>ever

>>383446357
Lore breaking shit isn't a virtue

>>383446376
>the pubster pro

>>383446376
Shouldn't you be class stacking right now?

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BRING ME THESE AND I WILL COMEBACK BLIZZZZZZ

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>>383446376

MoP > Vanilla > Wrath > Launch Cata >= TBC > Legion > Cata > WoD

>>383446783
We don't need anymore furry races.

Especially on alliance, worgen were a mistake.

>>383446841
>enjoy launch cata heroics
>they get nerfed soon after

>>383446821
arenas are the fullest realization of the orcs vs humans theme that warcraft was based on. thus, arenas are the most relevant and important facet of gameplay. are you upset my dragon-slaying friend?

>>383447038
They got nerfed because of LFG queues.

>>383446841
Tier 11 was fucking great.

>ppl hype for gummys

im over like northcraft yay

>>383447071
Or maybe its because orcs and humans have the most OP racials in the game at the moment in arena? Especially in an expansion where everyone has a fucking at-will 5 second stun.

>>383447071
you are a retard

>>383446910
FUck you worgen are cute! CUTE!!

>>383447204
>>383447235
could have saved yourselves the effort of coming up with a proper response and just said "yes, gladiator-sama, we are upset"

>>383445554
Maybe if you're from some eastern europe shithole, or if you're 12 and have daddy's credit card.

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Eleven days, my friends!

Why does everyone hate cata? I though it was pretty good. Early cata = best expac

>>383447472
Because it went to shit as soon as Firelands came out and Dragon Soul was the most lazy, uninspired raid they've ever made.

Firelands itself was decent but 7 bosses for a raid tier? Just garbage.

>>383447071
>Arenas
>important
statistics say otherwise lmao

>>383447472
I liked the beginning of cata but at this point I don't like seeing all the old zones fucked up.

>>383447472
1. FUCKED UP ZONES
2. The Siege.

>>383447472
Because it ruined old azeroth and they've still not fixed it.

MOP was still worse in so many ways, and im not talking pandas, which I wanted in WOW for a long while.

>>383447472
Because it obliterated the old zones. They streamlined everything to prevent people from fucking up and getting lost/exploring, everything is easy as piss, there's no opportunity to take risks or make mistakes, everything's a faceroll on rails quest experience. Easiest example I can think of is the Barrens and how it got split into two zones (literally) so that new players would never ever get lost or accidentally die to mobs beyond their level.

>>383441462

>How to spot a hipsterfag that never played vanilla in one post.

The only people who unironically shill for vanilla are people that never played that piece of hot garbage when it was out. Vanilla was the fucking worse, unless you enjoyed nothing but PVP.

>>383447861
Vanilla was great for quite a few reasons, and one of them was how great the world pvp and server communities were before everything got shoved into instanced out of the way zones.

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just settin' up my UI for spacegoat enhancement shaman on the beta server so I don't have to when the server launches.

Kinda going for all my info close to the centre of the screen, rather than cleanliness. Ignore keybinds

>>383448010
Is there even anything to do on the beta? Seems pretty pointless.

>>383447861
>Tfw nost is dead
>tfw those few months were the best fun you had with warcraft in years.

>>383447861
vanilla was great in some ways and awful in others. As expansions went on the ways it was great got diminished (community, world that felt like a world) while the shit parts got improved (questing, world landscaping)

>>383448063
I've done all the testing I wanted to do. I already leveled a rogue to 30 in the closed beta. Found half a dozen bugs, they all got fixed. I'm just setting up my UI and addons before launch. Since I'm using the same name on release, all the UI and addon settings will just carry over to my new character.

>>383448421
Where do you even get TBC compatible addons?

>>383447568
Heroic Ragnaros pounded your virgin asspussy into the ground, 7 bosses is fine for a mid tier, the problem was that dragon soul was hot garbage

>>383448817
just google 2.4.3 wow addons, there's a bunch of websites that keep expac specific addons, or there was a thread on molten with a pack of 200-300 addons specifically for TBC

>>383449103
Heroic rag was fine, it was the other 6 pushover bosses in the instance.

>>383449289
to add to this, Emerald nightmare in legion had the same issue, 7 bosses, 5 of them being joke bosses, even on mythic. But at least EN was an intro raid that was specifically designed to be easy to get new players into raiding, and didnt drop tier or even decent loot aside from a few pieces here and there.

>>383449289
Baleroc also pounded your asspussy into the ground till he got nerfed, and it doesn't matter to me because the other fights were fun, Alysrazor is my favourite WoW boss of all time because i was on flight duty

>>383449405
EN was such fucking trash compared to Highmaul

>>383449405
Cenarius was not a joke until you outgeared it, not even close.

I am still triggered by >SACRED VINES!

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>>383446821

>haven't played WOW in years
>shamans still OP and broken

Figures

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>>383449563
>mfw shamans bitching ever

>>383445307

This, they have the best casting animations in the gayme

>>383441392
Hard to say which expansion was the best. With each new expansion some aspects got better while others became shittier.

I personally found wrath was my favorite because all specs started becoming viable and had some complexity to them beyond hitting 2 buttons and I was a huge PvPfag. Granted there were TONS of shitty things. TBC for me was equally as good as wrath, far better when it came to strictly PvE. If TBC had wrath abilities/talents and flying mounts didn't exist it would be a nigh perfect game.

>>383449664
Resto was always good, its enhance/ele shamans that get the dick all the time

>>383449550
>hpaly
>hand of freedom
>dispel
>bubble
>zero fucks given about vines

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>>383448421
>Since I'm using the same name on release
>important work on release date
PLEASE crash the servers

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>>383450171
>Trying to play surrender to madness and multidot without fucking up while sanic vines chase you

>>383441392
TBC shat on the lore on a level that was only reached again in WoD

>Classic
Vanilla WoW gave us some really great memories that the following expansions tried and failed to emulate. Leveling my first character that really hooked me on the game because of how unpredictable and challenging it was (first MMO). The first time I saw Ragnaros I felt like I had become part of something amazing.

>TBC
Very daunting at first, but I was glad I was finally had a chance to be on equal footing with the best raiders. Heroic dungeons were brutal, and H Shadow Labs in particular was one of the must unforgiving 5-mans ever. Getting to Murmur at all felt like a triumph. I never bothered with Ogri'la or Netherwing grinding but I did farm up a PMC set which I didn't replace until tier 6. My guild was stuck on M'uru in the Sunwell but that alone put me in the upper echelons of all PvE players. I'm still proud of just having been there when so many other people never had a chance of doing it.

>Wrath
Story felt bigger. We were finally going to confront the infamous Lich King. I raided more in Warth than any other expansion and I loved doing it. Guild drama eventually convinced me to finally start my own guild for Cata.

>Cataclysm
The first couple of weeks of heroic dungeons were absolutely amazing. They were unforgiving and required much more coordination than any dungeon in Wrath. It wasn't until after my group had cleared every heroic multiple times that I read on the forums that the dungeons were over tuned. I was very disappointed when they were nerfed because I felt like a great and challenging experience had been taken away from me. Firelands was a great raid but I quit shortly after. By the time I came back for Dragon Soul, LFR was already out and it has permanently changed the game. Since this point I never returned to raiding with a guild.

>Mop
Didn't like the story. Didn't like Pandas. Aesthetically it was cool, some of the best Transmog gear that I -still- try farming in Legion.

>>383451078
I agree about the cata dungeon nerf, M+ was one of the best changes they ever made to this game, it just needs a few more tweaks to incentivize players to push further

>>383451357
M+ is boring as fuck.

One of the cornerstones that made WOW sucessful is the sense of progression, the sense that with each level, each resistance set, each boss kill, you got to see something new, you got to get newer, better gear, you could make your character stronger.

M+ is just another skinnerbox system designer wetdream

>>383451078
>WoD
Having flight taken was annoying, and I wasn't thrilled with the story. Getting through Highmaul was fun but I quit again until HFC came out.

>Legion
I've enjoyed pretty much everything in Legion except the Legendary system. I like where the story is going and raiding has been fun. I really enjoyed the Nightfallen story, but I really don't enjoy having to do it on multiple alts just to unlock one of the best tabards in the game.

>Kul Tiras / Great Sea expansion
Hopefully Jaina isn't completely corrupted, I'm getting really sick of that kind of shit.

Wrath = Legion -> TBC -> Classic -> Cataclysm -> WoD -> MoP

That's my ranking with some context for what I was doing.

>>383451357
m+ is alright but i'd rather have difficult traditional dungeons that aren't just tweaked LFD dungeons

>>383451541
translation: why don't i have 40 dungeons per expac

Eventually you outgear dungeons and they are completely trivial, M+ keeps them relevant instead of thrown away after the first month.

>>383451637
see above

Fuck WoW. I have legit proof that I should have got two cheevos, but the asshats wouldn't give 'em. Just wanted the damn green fire title to go with my icc 10h lock recolor. Stupid that I missed out on it because I did the quest too early.

>>383451784
Mythic+ doesn't keep it reletive, M+ just lets the developers design shitty 10 minute long dungeons then add Diablo 3 modifiers and calls it 'content'

>>383451806
>Muh cheevos

Hello preteens

Whole of vanilla, first part of TBC and mid WotLK are uncontested GOAT

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>>383442681
$0.02 cents have been deposited into your account
oh wait you do this shit for free

>>383451947
At the relevant gear level they are long as fuck dungeons except maw.
5man dungeon consistency is something blizzard have always been on top of since BC, 3-4 bosses with a bunch of hallways and trash thrown inbetween.

>>383451970
I am so sorry. Achievements. There, does that help your autism?

>>383441497
>TBC
>first raid tier Karazhan, Gruul and Magtheridon
>second tier already available at launch with two complete ready to be explored, with lore-important characters was final bosses
>even hyjal, the first raid of the third tier was available at launch, tucked away behind attunement quests that relied on you playing through the previous tiers

>Wrath
>first raid is naxx, literally copy-pasted from vanilla and being cleared in a day
>obsidian sanctum with some literally who final boss and malygos, the last phase of which was entirely vehicle based
>later tiers completely disregarded old tiers and someone who had leveled 100 in the final patches could be geared up and ready for an ICC group without even visiting naxx, ulduar or trial of the crusader

The only thing Wrath had over TBC was leveling in Northrend.

>>383452129
are orc skulls composed of titanic metalloids?

>>383450196
The servers will most likely crash to shit anyway on release, there's no way any one server could hold the shitstorm of people about to descend on this server. it's gonna be nost launch x10

>>383452227
A lot of the BC stuff was meant to be vanilla content just fyi, they held it all back for BC release

>>383452358
Your point being? It still made TBC the better expansion.

>>383452358
Huh? Only karazhan, I think. And that was only half done when vanilla came out. The rest was all made for BC.

>>383452448
The point is its not realistic to expect that again, they copy pasted naxx because they were so far behind schedule, and again with the rushed pile of crap that is ToC

>>383448067
nost is not dead

>>383451784
evergreen content sucks and legion was the worst with obsolete content, crafted gear/normal/heroic/mythic0 all pointless hours after max level

things like rare drops, less stat inflation, quest chains, vp/jp/badges (not a fan), etc can help keep dungeons relevant

>>383452694
it's dead to me. I sunk three whole months into elysium before I finally saw what a shitheap it was and how nost was really never going to come back.

>>383452829
I tell you right now as someone that does endgame raiding i would have 0 reason to ever do dungeons if not for M+ the moment the raid tier comes out.

M+ is a godsend because i actually get to do shit instead of log on for raid log off.

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>almost done leveling my Worgan DK to see the legion class quests

I'm pretty hypes. it only took my a trial run to see how much effort they put into every part of the DK's class hall and quest. clearly they are making a come back.

but fuck this WoD leveling jesus christ. more story fluff than metal gear 4

why don't they give flying back

>>383441392
What's a good Horde server that isn't filled with chinks like US-Illidan

>>383453026
Level with invasions, google the invasion timer to know when they're coming up.

Alternatively you can buy runs from a lvl 100 twink that can clear any dungeon for you in 5 minutes flat because scaling makes them do millions of dps.

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>>383452358
Vanilla Outland was mostly copy/pasted Tanaris colored red with different objects and was scrapped almost entirely. The only thing left of that is the big pit lord skeleton.
The version of Kara they had done in vanilla alpha was scrapped completely.
Caverns of Time and Black Morass were done but had nothing in them.
Vanilla Quel'thalas was completely different and scrapped very early with all that was left of it being old minimap stuff and a very small chunk being used in a development map.

>>383452991
i think you need to break out of the risk/reward mindset and ask yourself are mythic+ dungeons good

>>383453026
The only real problem with the story in WoD is that it makes a full-stop after the base zone content. They never did anything with it post-release.

>>383453846
Yes, because i like playing the game, and in previous expansions there was nothing challenging I could do in PvE besides raiding.

>>383452336
For eleven hours.

>>383453026
>worgen DK
To this day I have no idea why this is fine, yet a worgen and goblin monk seemed too far fetched.

>>383454089
are you one of those people who think because garrisons gave so much pretend pixel money that makes them good

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>>383454828
Are you one of those people that think video games are only fun if they're getting loot?

TFW Corecraft will never be released.

>>383455098
not that guy, but being richer than other people is the mainstay of MMOs for me