Did Bethesda Ruin Fallout's Aesthetic?

They played up the 1950's aspect of the retrofuture theme a bit much but no I wouldn't say so. I like the west coast series for being grittier and less about FUN KILLING MUTANTS AND BROS OF STEEL LOL

It was always 50's pulp sci-fi meets Mad Max, but they've pushed the former too much over the latter. Needs less laser guns and shiny crap.

I think Fallout 3's art direction was pretty good. I was way more 50's retrofuture than Fallout 1 and 2, but still managed to look good.

Fallout 4 on the other hand, took it way too far.

Then again, 3's art director went and fucking died, so no wonder.

>>383436981
I agree with ya for the most part. I kinda miss the subtle nods to some slightly "out of date" culture. (60's, 70's, 80's, etc.)

>>383436870
>Bethesda Ruin Fallout
They tried to make it too casual and ended up fucking it up, Its an absolute mess.
Little midget todd doesn't even wanna discuss another open world, fucking pussies.
>Bugs
>Story
>Pacing
>Items
>Weapons
>Armor
>Alliances
>Dialogue system
>Quests
>Locations

You can tell how much a developer cares about their rpg by how fleshed out the economics are, even if players can't interact.
Bethesda does not care.

>>383438241
Which means no dev cares about their game.

Every single game has shit economics.

>>383438314
Maybe they don't have your autistic favourite type of market analysis but there are games with legitimate justifications for supply and production, the cornerstones of a societies economics and the most aesthetically pleasing aspects of it too.

>>383438458
Nice goalpost moving, m'lad.

>>383438531
>goalpost moving
You might benefit from googling "economics definition"

>>383438458
The only game with somewhat plausible supply and demand is Victoria 2.

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>>383437306
agreed, FO3 has fantastic art direction

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>>383438129
>Weapons fucked up

>>383437209
You're why we ended up with pipe guns. Apologize.

>>383438531
He's clarifying his point, this isn't some sort of competition.

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They turned the franchise into quite a cancerous fandom with how much they hammed up the presence of Vault Boy, Nuka Cola, power armor, the BoS, and the cuhrazy old-timey radio. New Vegas managed to keep it more in line with the first two.

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>>383436870
Bethesda has never really understood the setting. We're pretty lucky we got what we have considering how retarded they can be.

>>383438794
What's wrong with pipe guns?

>>383438739
Is that a joke? It looks FUCKING awful

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>>383438739
Concept =/= execution.

>>383436870
The cities kind of suck in Fallout 3, mostly because they're so small and rather primitive, so that aesthetic could be considered ruined. They got the creepiness, loneliness and music spot on.

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>>383439097
Ribs in peas, Adam Adamowicz


Really liked that guys art.

>>383439097
wow that looks great

>>383439097
Damn. Imagine if an area that even remotely looked like that as in Fallout 3.

>>383439438
I was pissed that you couldn't equip a shield on your back in game after seeing this art.

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>>383439760
Are you saying it didn't?

>>383439097
>Happy that they took down a brotherhood member
Im glad I raped everyone that wasn't Brotherhood

>>383440029
it's concept art you fucking baby

>>383438794
There is nothing wrong with pipe guns, but there is no justification for older gun not being available. there are perfectly fine 200+ year old revolvers in real life. Also many pipe guns make no fucking sense design wise.

Weaponization should go
Shitty home made guns > Shitty pre war guns > Well kept pre war guns > High tech pre war guns (rare and hard to use)

>>383436870

Yes. Original FO weapons and armors are pure awesome. I can't even look at Shithesdas creations without feeling disgust.

>>383437209
I think they pushed both too much and lost the heart of them in the process.

Super Mutants and Raiders are like comically Mad Max but without any of the charm somehow.

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>>383440442
Wait a minute, those guns...

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>>383440563
Yeah, the raiders in the more recent games don't have any charm or character to them. Just generic gruff guys in poo-colored gear. I wouldn't mind if they just transplanted extras from the Road Warrior into the game as it'd be better than what we've got now.

>>383439438
That is a pretty sword.

>>383436870
Yeah they did with fallout 4

Fallout 2 ruined Fallout's aesthetic

>>383441070
>tfw teens now won't get even half the shit F2 references

>>383441070
Unironically this.

F2 made the game OH MAN SO WACKY!!!!

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I didn't mind Fallout 3 because most of the architecture has a great brutalist vibe to it

Fallout 4 looks fucking terrible though, and once again suprise suprise they shit all over the great dead mans concept art

>>383438794
>>383440393
Pipe guns should actually look like pipe guns,

>mostly single-shot plinking rifles.

>number of gritty post apocalyptic mad max esque games: too many

>number of 50s ray gun Gothic fiction and Sci fi: not a lot

That said, it's important to not go overboard with either in the future. The world and peooke should be dark and gritty but that doesn't mean aspects of the game can look nice and retro futuristic

>>383441328
I just don't like how Bethesda went overboard with it. It's a pretty backdrop tho, and the energy weapons are cool I guess

>>383439760
Looks more like itd fit in with New Vegas than FO3.
I've only played those two, but I liked NV a lot more. Didn't even finish 3.
Which Fallout should I play next?

>>383438892
>New Vegas
>more in line
Bullshit. It was just as bad as 4 but instead of 40s/50s science fiction it went way over the top with the wild west and 50s/60s vegas. New Vegas fags, I swear...

>>383441247
But it also made the game a more fun experience. I get you want a serious tone but if you played F1 and went straight to F2 you expected something fresh. They had to change the tone becouse the rest of the game is a huge rehash of resources. They should have ditched the plot and made a game about wandering between settlements - becouse going into a new town is the best thing in F2.

>>383438314
Runescape

>>383441508
fallout 1 and 2

>>383441531
It wasn't as over-the-top with the self-referential stuff, and the map's locations were mostly ordinary places and not strange, isolated settlements with their own quirky theme attached. Also helps that they re-used the soundtrack from the first two games to give it that feeling of being in a hostile world.

>>383441508
>Looks more like itd fit in with New Vegas than FO3.
Its fits in more with Fallout 1 and 2 than it does in New Vegas

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>>383436870
No, I actually think the design, art and asethetic were improved moving forward in Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Fallout 4 has some amazing concept art but it's implementation wasn't good. The quality of the gun and weapon designs in F4 took an absolute nosedive.

>>383441619
>>383442851

Okay, I just bought FO 1 & 2.
Going to start up the first one now.

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>>383443523
>gun designs
>nosedive

>>383440029
That's an achievement to anyone really if you manage to bring down someone wearing Power Armor, Pulse tech is fucking rare and firepower needed to even penetrate it is lots. I'd be proud too to drop a Brotherhood of Cuck in full t-45d.

>>383436870
Yes.

>>383444676
What other weapon got absolutely JUSTED as bad as that? My vote goes to the Mini-gun, Missile launcher, Gauss rifle, 10mm, plasma rifle and don't forget the Super Sledge.

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>>383444676
It's pretty bad, isn't it.

>>383436870
The power armors looks damn good
It's way better than the ugly shit in F3 and New Vegas

>>383440563
>>383440871
I don't understand this complaint. I hate Fallout 4 as much as the next guy, but raiders in Fallout were never charming. Khans are okay but they're more of a tribe in later installments.

>>383445039
I actually like the Assault Rifle in 4 desu
It looks like it was designed with power armor in mind.

>>383444957
>>383445039
Don't also forget the fucking laser Musket. Can't even fucking work both in design and actual function, how does it retain energy and fire? What logic was put into making the Laser Musket?

>>383445149
>It looks like it was designed with power armor in mind.
It was, it was supposed to be a .50 cal machinegun

>>383445149
It looks fucking retarded and a clunky piece of shit to anything not using it in Power Armor, why couldn't have they just stick to the Assault rifle/ Chinese Assault rifle? Or better yet the LMG from New Vegas.

>>383445389
combat rifle? You're not wrong tho
The assault rifle could've just been called something diff. "Machine Gun" or something generic idk

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>>383444676
>late 40s/50s like many things military is the boom of the assault rifle era
>tons of experimental designs to grasp inspiration from
>durr lets stick a watercooler on it
fucking bethesda

>>383445729
>make generic combat rifle and shotgun train instead of the in canon service rifle

How do these lazy sacks of shit continue to get money from making uninspired and horribly bad games?

>>383445729
to be fair it doesn't look it's intended to be an assault rifle...even though it's named an assault rifle

>>383445883
>In the game files it is actually called "MachineGun," while "AssaultRifle" refers to a cut version of the Chinese assault rifle.
>The texture for the suppressor shows that the assault rifle was once intended to be a .50 caliber weapon.

>>383440658
the first line are all total abomination though
the fallout 4 one is the best of bunch and that saying something

>>383436870
Not really thats one of the few things bethesda didn't completely ruin.

>>383438129
OP was only talking about the aesthetic anyone who's not a bethesdrone or normalfag will agree with your points.

>>383438739
Are there any FO3 mods that let you turn off that puke green filter?
I always thought it looked awful.

>>383440658
How do they fuck up the 10mm this bad? They had a good thing going with fallout 3's look and they fuck it up by making this literal skyrim with guns.

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>>383445039
I don't understand.

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>>383436981
Incorrect, they don't even know which era.

>>383438794

Fallout 4 wasnt the first to use pipe guns. Look at the metro series. They had a gun (bastard) gun made from pipes and other shit

>>383446365
Those guns were designed to work you retard. They didn't have a WOODEN stock and a fucking bolt for trigger because
>let wacky 50's apocalypse xD
Even Fallout 2's pipe guns looked like actual guns.

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>>383446365
The Metro pipeguns actually look good though.

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>>383446221
>Fallout
>1920's flavor
fucking what

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>Fallout isn't post apocalypse
>JSawyer described it being beyond that point as well

>Lmao Fallout 3 & 4 are goofy retro days with muh nuclear related music

>>383439892
dual sheath redux, and the extended skeleton mod.

>>383445972
thanks for clearing this up anon :)

>>383446221
>1920s-to-1940s
What, so the time before nukes were invented, fuck me Bethesda

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>>383440658
>mfw I finally realized that FO1 10mm pistol has a revolver chamber that doesn't contour to the barrel of the gun

Also the Failout 4 revolver looks like of it has square bullets and going to blow up the gun itself. On that note when the bullet casing are popping out of the chambers of a pipe gun it fires inward instead of outward.
https://youtu.be/jctTO8Qt9eY?t=42s

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What ever happen to the art deco style of fallout?

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>>383438892
All were pretty garbage, though 3 at the time was a big leap forward and had appeal because it was new. NV and 4 became a caricature of the serious, it was reduced to it's base elements and then those were stripped away, any pretense of choice, roleplay, freedom or immersion were secondary, or removed entirely, to show casing zany, 'badass' weapons, unusual and wacky characters.

The earnest exploration both mentally and physically of a post-apocalyptic world where the law and order breaks down complete is nowhere to be found. Instead you have the same clutch of groups with variable faces tell you why the other is weak.

The BoS alone should shown you what has become of the series.

I would love nothing more than an isometric world to return with 2d backgrounds and a rough 3d model, revamped UI to make combat and management of party easier but hordes of dialogue and conversations without purple prose. Alas, those days are gone. We are not condemned to read, if we read at all, about an overly described building and the expression of the trans gendered woman's hairy face.

>>383441586
Runescape's economy was a wonderful mistake, Jagex didn't mean to create a a free market

You can tell because they royally fucked up when they decided socialism was the answer

>>383449127
Bitchy Beth

>>383446737
Man that does look pretty cool, I loved Metro's dirty bullet clips.
No one ever used the good ammo as ammo right? I was too obsessed with using it as currency.

>>383446123
Get a decent ENB and Fallout 3 actually looks really good. I don't know why Bethesda decided to nullify all of the work their artists put into the game by putting that godawful green filter over everything.

>>383438892
I'd argue vault boy was a step in the right direction for the franchise. Fallout needed an iconic face and I'm glad they chose something that fit the lore, theme, and aesthetic, while also remaining ambivalent to player choice (choosing the Bos as mascot would be terrible).

>>383439097
gamebryo is gamebryo

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>>383452139

>>383446134
It's hard not to fuck up the design of a gun that started as a literal 10mm revolver

>>383447239
>tfw Josh Sawyer will never be the lead designer of a new classic styled isometric Fallout game with prerendered backgrounds like PoE

>>383444957
I actually think the super sledge always felt aesthetically out of place (not rustic, but also not industrial looking like the power fist). the new design looks sleeker and less unwieldy, while also embracing the retrofuturistic jury rigged look

Also you forgot to mention the flamer. Like, what the fuck bethesda???

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>>383452734
>tfw a melee weapon is better designed than most of the guns in the game

>>383446993
>art deco inspired buildings
>not heavily borrowing from the 20s

>>383440658
Fallout 4 10mm pistol looks like canned assholes.
The revolver looks great.

>>383452263
Childkiller is only in fo1 and 2 you sperg. You know full well vault boy was always present in the series and /v/ never had an issue with him until bethesda put him on color

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>>383452834
>>383444676
>>383445039
Fucking awful designs.

>>383453336
laser rifle desu

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>>383440658
>>383444676
>>383445039
>>383452834
Improved: Hunting rifle, laser rifle, laser pistol, 10mm smg, pow fist, super sledge

Better in some worse than others/ slightly worse: Plas defender, minigun, AR

Absolutely, positively, irreparably JUSTed: gauss, shotgun, plasma, gat laser, missle launcher, 223 pistol, flamer, plasma rifle

>>383441247
This, 1000 times this. Fallout 1 will always be the best imo. 2 was just way to wacky.

>>383456081
>Improved: Hunting rifle
Flip the bolt around and then sure.

>>383436870
yes.