Is SOTN a masterpiece or are there glaring flaws?

>Painfully easy, braindead easy, holy shit there are a dozen ways to break the game and they're not even that hard to stumble upon.
>Platforming aspect is very quickly made boring because you can turn into a bat and fly.
>Inverted Castle is a chore because the platforming is boring. Consider the Super Metroid Rotation hack and how interesting the platforming challenges are since you can't just fly around right off the bat. You have to use the tools you have and gain in interesting ways while in the same environment. SotN is just, fuck, the levels are so bland it just feels like an aesthetic change. The maps are not memorable.
>Have to beat the game to play as the fun modes
>Can chow down on health items and shit on a whim
>There are dingy RPG elements that just bloat the menus and barely matter at all
I have no clue why people rank it anywhere close to Super Metroid. Must be the graphics and music.

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>>383436127
No but this is.

>>383436649
To be fair you literally cannot name a Metroidvania with better art direction, graphics or soundtrack than Symphony of the Night.

>>383436969
Metroid Prime

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>>383437072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8JGNPE4ayw

>>383437317
>Wandering ghosts
My nigga
Holy fuck when I first heard that track it was fucking beautiful

>>383436127
I loved it, but Alucard becomes overpowered a bit too easily. The poisonous mist form shouldn't be a thing. Lots of balance decisions were not great.

But despite that, still a great game.

Theme for the thread, while will make everyone disregard my opinion anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mxNnCOXSR4

>>383436127
I've never played it. Really liked the DS Castevanias. Should I give it a run or does it not hold up?

>>383437476
Better than any of the DS games by far.

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>>383437623
What about this masterpiece?

>>383437476
It fucking holds up

>>383436969
This
AoS is the formula SotN came up with perfected

>>383436649
>turn into a bat and fly.

>Not using flying boots.

I like that most of the protags in castlekino games have long hair

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>>383438303
What about buttery smooth walking animations?

>>383436127
https://youtu.be/6sIn9Sw7pB8

I bet I'd love this series if I wasn't the kind that got lost easily and lost his patience quickly
Last thing I remember was getting the wolf form, then not knowing what to do or where to go with it

>>383439229
You know guides exist right?

>>383436649
>Platforming aspect is very quickly

What platforming element? The only interesting thing the game does with this is let you jump around as a wolf in the early game. The majority of the castle is straight pathways that repeat the same structure and mobs 2-3 times ever in sequence.

>>383439358
Yeah but I had lost my patience at that point. Might go back to it now though

>>383436127
Corridors are too long, enemies are copy pasted many times in a corridor and are a chore to kill.

>>383437623
Are you braindead? OoE is miles above meme of the night.

DoS would be better if not for the muh animu art style.

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>>383439742
Just play Aria of Sorrow.

Those animations plus music. Winning combination

>>383440004
AKSHUALLY I recently started PoR and that game has been treating me pretty well so far.

>>383436127
>Glaring flaws
Biggest flaw that sticks out to me is the difficulty. If you spend any decent amount of time exploring (which you absolutely should be in this type of game) the game is insanely easy. The second castle was completely trivial and many bosses including dracula were hitting me for 1 damage.

The second castle in general also felt gimmicky like it only existed as filler.

SotN is only ok. Aria is the best igavania, followed by Portrait of Ruin.

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>>383440084
Decent Castlekino.

>>383440446
>Only ok
Not enough trannies for you?

>>383436127
Glaring flaws: difficulty becomes trivial after mid game ( ͡ಸ‿ಸ)━ﾟ.*･｡ﾟ

>>383440502
>SotN babby is a /pol/tard
Really makes you think.

>>383440502
How is SotN better than any other igavania? Other than atmosphere and the fact that you play as Alucard it has nothing going for it. Every other igavania did it better, I don't care if you have special feelings for SotN.

>>383436969
>that retarded area in the sky with the rooms you teleport between for no reason
Yeah, no.

>>383440671
What in the fuck are you talking about?

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CotM a best castlevania

>>383441246
literally worst metroid vania

Over-reliance on bat form in the second castle. There are so many places where your double jump just BARELY isn't enough to make a jump is a long staircase room.

>>383436649
>just fly around right off the bat

Fuck you.

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>>383441321
Nope.

>>383440004
What does she say again?

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>>383437698
>>383437623
fucking ace. Thanks bros let's give this a go

>>383439928
Stylus shit, poor Soul system, mediocre bosses, and a grind to explore 100% of the map put DoS far below SotN.

>>383436127
A masterpiece with glaring flaws.

>>383441537
>SotN as one of the 3 best
okay the list is shit

>>383436127
It's too easy. Way too easy.

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bump

I personally would have opted for simple controls for magic spells instead of making it like a fighter. It's more RPG-like so it should be easy to cast as long as you have the mana instead of being a million inputs.

>>383436127
Of course there are flaws, but nostalgiafags will lose their shit if you criticize it. The VA in the PSP version is awesome though.

>>383436127
It's broken as shit but honestly I don't think that's too much of a problem because feeling like some sort of vampire god is fun as shit and there's the simon belmont mode after you beat it that you can do. I love how much stuff there is in the game that you can play around with if you want to, but isn't required to use.

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>>383441321
Great shit taste you have there senpai. I bet you never got the black dog card.

>>383444086
That's not a flaw.

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>>383437683
>0:11 - 0:20

>>383441537
>no OoE
You people know it has a castle besides the 'linear' start?

>>383445501
Yes it is, there's a clear scale in difficulty and it's way off after mid game

>>383439928
DoS is literally leagues below AoS. And OoE is only good because it's difficult. It lacks in every other department especially the metroidvania part. The maps were all instanced zones, there was almost nothing to explore or find, there was a huge lack of variety in weapons and it was way way way too short

>>383441537
La-Mulana should be dropped a tier or two honestly.

>>383446435
>Overworld
Into the trash it goes.

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I'd agree with people saying its too easy.

But it has a great atmosphere and the the greatest soundtrack ever put to a video game.

>>383436649
fpbp
Good game but it's filled with flaws, specially its level design and challenge.

>>383445501
You already have a lot of tools to ease the difficulty, even when you ignore them the game remains pretty easy.

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>>383447648
Objectively wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njEP03Tb6v0

I think we can all agree that Alucard is the best protagonist at least

The real question is how come every single other Castlevania OST seems to be pure trash compared to SOTN
I've played it all and I sincerely cannot remember most of the songs from other games besides classics that appear on every game
Meanwhile I know most of SOTN songs by heart

>>383449551
means youre a fucking pleb

>>383449343

God no. What are you in the 8th grade?

>>383449551
Most games have at last one stand out song. Heart of fire is fantastic.

>>383450284
If you post something like this you have an obligation to post your favourite. I don't know if I think Alucard is the best but he's really solid.

>>383436649
You forgot also, all those items with 90% of them being useless and the spell system that is barebones and completely unnecessary due to how stupidly easy the game is.

>>383436127
I don't see how it's mutually exclusive.

>>383436127
It's a masterpiece despite its glaring flaws

>>383436127
SOTN was my first Castlevania game. Then I got the GBA games, and fucking loved them.

They're all masterpieces to me, I fucking love those games. I haven't played a Castlevania in so long.

Are the netflix episodes up for download somewhere?
I watched them there as soon as they came out but I'd like to have them around.

>>383436127

Why isn't there any doujins of him and mama he obviously loved his mama very much and more than his father.

>>383450284
>What are you in the 8th grade?

I was when SoTN first came out. Were you even born yet babby? SoTN is great because it was released at a great time/age, where all the art and music and atmosphere for the game was perfect for PS1 era. I don't know if it's technically the best, but I know for sure it's the one I've replayed the most out of any metroidvania there is, and Alucard/being Alucard certainly plays a part in that.

>>383450284
Calm down Richter, not his fault your limpy dick couldn't satisfy maria and you ended the bloodline for 200 years

I'M INTERESTED IN THIS.

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Is this the slickest run animation ever?

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i wish the castle wasnt that empty,its kinda easy and short ,reverse castle was not much of a deal HoD did it better with alternate time/dimension in the castle

>>383440453
JOHNATHAN

>>383446435
I think it's hiding behind Aria

>>383436127
>Easy as hell
>Can be beaten in under 10 minutes with all three characters (unless you speedrun which isn't a flaw)
>Le ecksdee voice acting
>Nitpick of the added bonuses made only available to the Saturn port which is Japanese only, aside from Maria being in the PSP port but was changed slightly
>Levels mean almost nothing
>Inverted Castle is lazy but at least it's not as lazy as Castle B in Harmony of Dissonance
>One difficult boss fight unless you handicap yourself
Still a masterpiece and the best game to ever exist, though. There's simply no other game with such a timeless polish to it.

>>383453007
>hair randomly flaps
>cape presumably flaps because the left foot hits it, but it reacts awkardly
stiff shoulder movement makes it look like he's wearing restrictive clothing, which isn't the case if he's swinging a sword around no problem

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>Beat the game
>Smooth jazz starts playing

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>>383436127
>/v/ tries to criticize game
>can only come up with "too easy xddd"

SoTN has tons of obvious flaws, can't you take a break from acting like a tryhard Xbox Live 12 year old for once?

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>>383437317
so good

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>>383454243
>SoTN has tons of obvious flaws
Then why didn't you list any of them?

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>>383437317
best song

>>383454243
>most posts bring multiple flaws aside from the lack of difficulty
Bravo frogshitter.

Goddamnit /v/ you're making me wanna play SotN for like the 12937th time

Should I?

>>383455134
Just do it.meme

Faerie best familiar.

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>>383455134
too slow, anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUkuxAfC328

blimp

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pls dont die thread

>>383458341
No one plays Castlevania, let it die so I can close the tab please.

>>383458374
I'm planning on replaying SotN along with the DS games plus AoS. Skipping DoS in favor of AoS with the randomizer.

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>>383458809
What's wrong with DoS?

>>383459461
Hold on a gosh darn second....

>>383459461
See >>383442401

It's a poor man's Aria.

>>383459685
Is that...

Could it be?

>>383459761
>It's a poor man's Aria.
That's SotN though.

the sega saturn version existing.

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>>383455197
>>383455424
Did it

R8 my time

>>383437683
>tool-assisted

>>383460279
hayaii

>>383461110
WORST
CASTLEKINO
EVER

>>383438032
Its only flaw was it was a handheld game this couldn't look nearly as amazing as SOTN does.

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who did it better

>Castlekino
Fuck off back to /tv/, it's Castlemania

>>383436127
To me only the loading times, and that's just because I got used to the GBA/DS games not having to wait so long when I Game Over.

>>383437072
He said Metroidvania, not First Person Shooter.

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>>383462771
How do you get a Game Over in SotN?

>>383462964
I was 8 years old, anon.

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>>383436127
>Those things that look like clumps of paint catching the light were actually hand-drawn with colored pencil to emulate the caked layers of oil paint

Neat

>>383436649
>holy shit there are a dozen ways to break the game and they're not even that hard to stumble upon.

The first time I ever played this game was this summer on Vita. First castle was fun, but early on in the second castle, I got a sword that did a shockwave attack, and a ring that gave me massive damage boost and the entire rest of the game became a completely trivial walk and press attack. Even Dracula in his big demon form died in less than 2 seconds.

I ended up liking Rondo of Blood way more because of that.

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>>383462994
Fair enough.

>>383436969
My only dislike about Castlevania AoS is the bosses. Only a handful near the end are actually memorable (Headhunter being the start of where they actually are decently cool and original). The ones beforehand are just glorified mid-bosses. Kinda wish they would remake it with Zephyr, Paranoia and Puppet Master ported in from DoS.

>>383463123
WORST
CASTLEKINO
EVER

>>383463123
If I was autistic enough I would learn how to write shaders and play like this in real time.

/v/ tries in vain to take down a classic;.

>>383448945
That game made me hate Old Sinking Sanctuary and Bloodlines was my first Castlevania game

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>>383463258
If you do, Godspeed anon. Godspeed.

>>383436127
It hands out save points like candy so you never run low on health.

>>383463524
WORST
CASTLEKINO
EVER

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Is it good?

>>383436127
No, it will be a relic for all time.

Honestly one of the most appealing things of SotN's unbalanced gameplay is simply the enormous line up of unique items and spells. It just blows my mind and there's so much shit to use.

Wasn't there a much better dreamcast version?

>>383440453
Is this a Jojo reference?

My biggest complaint is how annoying and slow it is to move around in the inverted castle.
- There are tons of jumps you can just barely not make with a double jump.
- Performing the super-jump takes up MP and requires a button combo, unlike all the later games where it was a single button press.
- The bat takes 2-3 seconds to transform into and out of, and it has very slow movement.
- The wing smash could be great, but it automatically ends after a few seconds (why?), and for some reason takes you out of bat form, which wastes even more time.

I really think there should be one more upgrade, like a slightly higher jump or a triple-jump. Either of those would make the inverted castle far less annoying.

With all the movement out of the way, I agree with everyone saying it's too easy to become overpowered. In my last playthrough, I was casually strolling through the clock tower when I managed to get a Holy Sword drop from one of those knight enemies. It was the strongest weapon for about 3 hours, until I managed to get a Crissaegrim from the third Schmoo I killed in the inverted library.

>>383451490
Horriblesubs

>>383436649
>Painfully easy, braindead easy, holy shit there are a dozen ways to break the game and they're not even that hard to stumble upon.

You can basically break the game even by unequiping your weapon and punching things to death since the hit detection is ridiculous and often registers hits twice.

>>383437683
>Blinding red outline on everything
>Came out after Circle of the Moon but has uglier graphics
>"Not Alucard" protagonist
>Worst Death fight in the series

>>383463914
Flawed but still fun. Play it.

>>383446772
>>383441537
>La-Mulana should be dropped a tier or two honestly.
Agreed. It's impressive that a game is willing to hold your hand so little but that approach relies on the puzzles and exploration not being autistically obtuse.

>>383436127
Metroidvanias aren't really that enjoyable. There's a flaw

>>383441246
CotM is my favourite because:

a) Challenge
b) Fun ways to navigate your environment
c) DSS system giving you 100 (mostly) different abilities
d) Excellent new game+ modes
e) Great castle
f) Great music
g) Tasteful visuals

Opinions on Lament of Innocence? I'm playing Curse of Darkness and it's not as bad as people made it out to be, I believe this could have been pretty good if the level design wasn't just corridors after corridors with no platforming or puzzles in them.

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>have an OG GBA with modded backlight
>want to buy AoS but it's expensive as fuck
>think I'll get the double pack
>just as expensive

am I really gonna blow $90 on this shit

>>383471037
Cant you just buy the everdrive cart or what the fuck it was

>>383471086
my autism stops me from buying anything unofficial, I don't have much of a choice
I wish I didn't care

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>>383436649
You are so full of shit, holly hell

>Painfully easy, braindead easy
You have a shitty concept of what difficulty means. Sure, you can do things like spam "soul steal then wait 5 minutes till your mana regenerates" or "farm 1hour for extra consumables" but that's a much less efficent way to play the game than simply trying to progress and face decent challenge that way.

>weak platforming
it's not a platforming game, it's an exploration-adventure game. Platforming was never once supposed to be a challenging part of the gameplay.

>There are dingy RPG elements that just bloat the menus and barely matter at all
leveling up matters a lot, the stats from your items matters a lot,

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>>383471037
Eh?

The cart is like 15 bucks. If you want the box and everything, just buy them separately, it's cheaper.

>>383471348
a fake cart is 15 bucks, yes
real carts boxed and unboxed are both expensive as fuck

>>383471194
>>383471037
Sounds too expensive to me, I didn't like Aria of Sorrow that much when I emulated it a couple of years ago, I don't think I'd drop 90 bucks for it, unless I had a lot of money I guess.

>>383471213
The game is pretty easy even if you avoid doing
> spam "soul steal then wait 5 minutes till your mana regenerates" or "farm 1hour for extra consumables"
The vast majority of the game is a cakewalk no matter how much you try to gimp yourself thanks to enemy placement.

>>383437317
Shit I really want to play a Castlevania game, but I've replayed SOTN a ton. Maybe I should give OoE another run.

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>>383440453
Portrait of Ruin is the best DS CV, imo. Took the Soul system and perfected it with skills getting stronger via use instead of just having 9 copies. Plus, so much content with seven different characters to fool around with.

>>383470364
Lament of Innocence is pretty solid. My biggest issue with CoD was the level designs but the hub setup for LoI works better, and the atmosphere is on point.

That being said, the Innocent Devils make CoD have the better combat, in my opinion. Not like LoI is a bad game in terms of combat, I just liked how CoD handled having little AI demons to help you fight.

>>383436127
like many have pointed out it's very easy to become overpowered in SOTN, and if I have to actually nitpick, the entire second castle shit was lazy and crap padding of the game, and accessed via nonsense adventure game logic tier figuring out what the fuck to do.

>>383436649
Pretty much the only challenging fight in the game was that giant lightning scepter guy in the catacombs, and only if you don't use game breaking gimmicks or equip armor that nullifies all his attacks.

I never played SOTN. What's the best version to play on PC? The PS1 emulator I'm using doesn't recognize my DS4 controller

>>383474846
PSP version is nice it has new items plus two games
Though it has the worst VA for Alucard

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>>383463123

>>383474846
The PSP version included in Dracula X Chronicles ispretty much your only option besides PS1.

Which Castlevania games are must-plays?

>>383475445
1, 3, SotN, AoS, OoE

>>383475559
Thanks la'

Despite all the shitposting in this thread, SOTN remains the best one. All the others are glib facsimiles that failed to reach the level of SOTN. It's a proper full game with actual good art, atmosphere, style, gameplay, exploration and sense of wonder.

>>383476225
>Despite all the shitposting
Most criticism in the thread is pretty on point desu.

>>383476512
it's mostly bait disguised as baby's first """"criticism"""". The same kind you see in Dues Ex, RE4 and STALKER threads. It's shitposting that's guaranteed to get you Yous.

>>383436649
>right off the bat.
lel

>>383476659
Not really, the game has a clear lack of difficulty, poor level design and plenty of useless/barely usable items and the rpg aspect of the game lacks polish.
So far I don't see how these are bait disguised as criticism at all desu.

>>383474785
Galamoth was literally designed so that you can't beat him "normally." That is the devs intended only for those people who figured out how to use the items and mechanics of the game to be able to beat him.

>>383477487
>That is the devs intended only for those people who figured out how to use the items and mechanics of the game to be able to beat him.

I meant "abuse" the items and mechanics.

>>383476846
>meme buzzwords like this post
>not shitposting

I'll do some of these

>lack of difficulty
Meme. Pure and simple. The game isn't as easy as you make it out to be, easier than Classicvania but what game is actually as hard as those games? Not many. It seems like a lot of people just get lost and level up way too much and then they find themselves swatting enemies like flies, or some guy who played the game 100 times magically realizes that the game is easy. Wow dude. And even if we agreed to disagree, we still have the second half of the game, which isn't easy under normal conditions. Stating that you can break the game is useless and unrelated. In reverse mode there are enemies that do massive damage and enemies that are a bitch to kill. Not to mention bosses harder than the final boss. It's like you don't even want to have fun and want the game to be nofunallowed. It's like you want leveling up to be completely useless like - may God forgive me for uttering this word - Oblivion. There's no better feel than completely getting all the items in the game and leveling up to a living legend and walking thorough the castle masterfully defeating each and every creature in your way, and finally reaching Dracula and beating him. But of course you can transform into a bat and use quick travel because fuck fun and fuck video games.

Basically it's not an intelligent piece of criticism. It's a lazy mostly memey "flaw" that even people who didn't even play the game can throw around without offering any kind of intelligent insight. Some people are addicted to replies and will take a contrarian stance just to get their fix. Herd behavior is also a problem. I'm not gonna do the others because I guess this is enough to communicate what I wanted to say.

>>383436127
It's really easy and there's alot of dead ends/trial and error (Like going left instead of right in the bottom of the castle and fighting Legion/Granfaloon only to find a weapon that's actually weaker than your equipped one)

Also Inverted castle is kind of ass to navigate.

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Is it just me or is Charlotte really overpowered in PoR? At least the trashmobs are too easily cleared with galeforce or lightning
I mostly switch back to Jonathan for bosses though

>>383477860
>The game isn't as easy as you make it out to be, easier than Classicvania but what game is actually as hard as those games?
Ghosts 'n goblins and Ninja Gaiden for example.
>It seems like a lot of people just get lost and level up way too much and then they find themselves swatting enemies like flies
In my second playthrough I knew were to go and still destroyed most opposition, it doesn't help that enemy placement is so dull that once you know how to dodge their attack most enemies turn into punching bags since the game rarely puts them in situations in where their placement ix things up enough to force you to use a different tactic.
>massive damage and enemies that are a bitch to kill
Irrelevant if dodging them is always so easy, a damage sponge is not a real threat if its attacks and AI are easy to defeat.
>Not to mention bosses harder than the final boss.
The final boss is a joke please.
> It's like you don't even want to have fun and want the game to be nofunallowed
On the contrary, I want a challenge and to have fun. The game already provides plenty of OP equipment and leveling up that would ease the difficulty for players that find the game hard yet even after ignoring all of these and putting self-impossed challenges the game remains easy.
>There's no better feel than completely getting all the items in the game and leveling up to a living legend and walking thorough the castle masterfully defeating each and every creature in your way
You know what's better than that? Destroying your enemies by actual skill instead of relaying on items and stats that don't really add too much to the experience.
>Basically it's not an intelligent piece of criticism
Calling everything you don't agree with a meme is. Same with pretending everyone who finds the game easy spent time grinding.
Also you avoided all other complaints besides the lack of difficulty.

>>383436969
Truly the patrician castlevania. That game was goat.

>>383436649
You forgot to mention the braindead method of using an item, that was absolute nonsense. The only good thing about Sotn is the art direction.

>>383478930
*their enemy placement mix things up

I wanna play the DS games, but how do I go about doing that on a 3ds?

>>383459461
Please tell me that thing was a vampire

>>383478930
You missed the point of almost everything I said. When I say Classicvanias were harder than most games you're not really adding anything by saying there are harder games out there. So why would you do that? When I say "harder than the final boss" that doesn't mean I'm saying it's very hard, just comparing them. Plus why should the final boss be hard if you %200 the game? If anything you should be able to bitchslap him, otherwise, what's the point?

Look, if you don't want to have fun, nothing can be done. It's like you're forgetting the idea of playing a game. Yes, the game gives you a chance to use any weapon but you can't use the best weapon in the game and then complain things are getting easier. You can't just bat your way out of every room and then complain the game is easy because you avoided hard encounters. Too much """"balance"""" and your game becomes boring shit as fun as a calculator.

You're probably not going to be convinced no matter what. But in the end, SOTN is still going to be /the/ game everyone talks about and replays and there's a reason for that. Later games wish they were SOTN. All the others tried to replicate the magic and failed. Other games try to be SOTN but SOTN just does its own thing.

>>383436969
>soundtrack than Symphony of the Night.

I think Metroid's soundtrack is so fucking of this world. SotN sounds great, but how Metroid's music compliments the atmosphere puts it on a whole different level for me.

>>383480412
>if you don't want to have fun
Speaking of people missing the point of a post.
>Yes, the game gives you a chance to use any weapon but you can't use the best weapon in the game and then complain things are getting easier.
If it removes any challenge then I can already kiss goodbye most of the fun, even worse if its just a samey weapon but with bigger numbers that doesn't give me real new options.
>you avoided hard encounters
Where did I said I avoid enemies? I only avoid their attacks even if the damage sponges and redundant level design bore me to death.
>Too much """"balance"""" and your game becomes boring shit as fun as a calculator.
Challenge is the issue here, not balance, as I said earlier I can just ignore unbalanced stuff.
>You're probably not going to be convinced no matter what
I like the game, I'm just pointing out why some of its aspects are weak.
>But in the end, SOTN is still going to be /the/ game everyone talks about and replays and there's a reason for that. Later games wish they were SOTN. All the others tried to replicate the magic and failed. Other games try to be SOTN but SOTN just does its own thing.
Most Castlevania titles are replayed all the time, the main appeal to a lot of people in replaying SotN isn't in the core experience but in breaking it in new ridiculous ways.
Metroidvanias have always their fair amount of flaws, even if this was the case the game still has them which is my point. You're acting as if the people pointing out the flaws of the game were telling you its shit and no one should enjoy them, grow up and realize that criticism isn't all that scary.