Reminder that buying a game to demo it and then refunding it

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lucky for me I only play games to get pussy

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>>383390907
Yup. All the more reason to pirate.

>been trying to refund DayZ for months now
I only played 2 hours about 4 years ago.

I've been bugging Steam because I want my fucking money back.

Should only allow one refund per year.
All this is doing is enabling the entitled poorshits. Can't believe they allow people to take advantage of them like this.
>but the game is awful
It's entertainment ffs, if you are so worried about wasting your money on a poor experience you shouldn't be spending it in the first place.

>>383392783
This, never buy any games.

>>383392783
t. indie dev who made a shit hour long game

>>383392783
fuck off richcunt
kys

>>383392107
And you didn't bother to read the requirements for a refund during 4 years?

>>383393018
Nigger how was I supposed to refund a game 4 years ago?

Chargeback? Then I'd risk my entire library.

>>383392936
No thanks I like my life.
I ain't even rich, I just know my place and it's not to be a burden or annoyance to others for my own selfish desires.

>>383393216
t. cuck to the rich who's too cowardly to stand up in his own interests

>>383393216
>I just know my place
Being a corporate dick sucker who hates consumer rights?

>within 7 days?
is this a murrica thing? because it usually says "within 24 hours" for me.

>>383393161
Oh boy, don't want to lose those 42 games you spent a total of $83 on

>>383392783
>Should only allow one refund per year.
I agree, refunds are hella lame fellow indiev

>>383393338
It's usually the next business day despite saying 7 days.

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>>383390907
Too bad it's not against EU consumer protection legislation lol.

>>383393321
>muh rights

That's what everyone who wants something for free cries. Grow the fuck up

>>383390907
why is it acceptable that digital products get a free pass for shit like this? If I don't like something I return it no questions asked. Food goes bad before its supposed to expire? Returned and get twice as much for free. Shitty product falls apart? Full refund. Why is the gaming industry so cancerous and anti-consumer? If your product is shit and I've had it less than thirty days take it back and give me my money you fucking shitheels

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>>383393348
Totally.

>>383393508
This. Valve can write whatever the fuck they want in their EULAs or ToS or whatever. If they start refusing refund requests, they're going to get fucked up the ass.

>>383393803
that's kinda lame, for a 4+ year old account.

>>383393802
Food isn't entertainment.

>>383393725
>return product
>no longer have it
>getting something for free

Are you literally fucking retarded?

>>383393375
Kids these days are lucky they can just click a couple buttons to be entitled instead of having to convince mommy to drive them back to Wal-Mart so they can wait in the returns line with an opened, used product only to be told to get fucked.

>>383393917
>can't eat food, its spoiled = get refund
>can't enjoy entertainment, its spoiled = get refund

why is this so hard to grasp for you entitled fucking programmers/devs?

stop making a subpar product

>>383393803
Wow it's fucking nothing

>>383393917
>Not playing with your food
fucking casual

>>383393923
I guess he counts all the fun you did not have as something that you should rightfully have paid for, and therefore the refund is morally wrong... ?

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>>383390907
>buttfucking the people who take the moral ground when there's already an alternative
I don't see the problem. If you didn't want to get buttfucked you should of pirated the game. You've got an infinite amount of cash in your wallet after all

>>383393216
>I just know my place
If you did you'd stop running your mouth and get educated.

>>383393894
>>383394109
I have other systems, my dear anons. 4 years ago I was still buying games for PS3 and Wii U, and now I'm buying games for PS4/Switch.

PC is for multiplats like Doom or indies.

>>383390907

well maybe they should release a demo then

>>383394096
You know what? No. I don't owe you shit. You get what you get.

If you don't like something, WALK AWAY. When you have spoiled food you don't sit there screaming. You leave like an adult.

>>383394361
>you need to learn etc.

Back to Facebook with your tired, typical rebuttals, guy

meh, tell it to the european courts, i'll refund as much as i want. thanks.

>>383394396
Forgot to add RPGs too. Pillars Of Eternity is fun as shit and could NOT be played with controller.

>>383390907
Daily reminder that if you don't pirate before you buy then you are part of the problem.

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>>383390907
What did they mean by this?

>>383394714
That they still can refuse business with you if you try to abuse the system.

>>383394096

If your food is spoiled, you cannot eat it. It cannot perform the function you bought it for. You should be entitled to a refund.

If your television is broken, you cannot watch it. It cannot perform the function you bought it for. You should be entitled to a refund.

If your video game is bad, you can still play it. It can still perform the function you bought it for. No fucking refunds. Oh, but you say you bought the game to entertain you, and it doesn't do what you bought it to do? Tough shit.

If you bought food because you thought it would taste good, and it doesn't, then you don't get a refund. If you bought a television because you thought there were good programmes to watch, and there are none, then you don't get a refund.

The fact that you can actually get a refund through Steam to overcome you not doing your research and buying a shitty game that you don't enjoy is one of the best consumer right you could ask for. Going on to complain about that, and you start to see where all the 'gamers are so entitled' arguments start from.

>>383394714
>>383394812
>no questions asked refund policy
>we reserve the right to refuse!

and people defend the fat fuck and this shitty company why?

>>383393216
>I ain't even rich
No shit, being unable to show some backbone when you get screwed and wasting money because of it pretty much guarantees you'll never be rich.

>>383394532
what the fuck are you even talking about? If I get shitty food at a restaurant I absolutely send it back and do not pay. That is my right as a consumer. No one owes you money if your goods are trash. What kind of commie fucking shit are you? You think I'm going to pay for your shitty RPGmaker game so you can shitsock in your basement all day? Get a real job you fucking loser

>>383395048
I mean they would stop selling games to you.
You can still refund games.

>>383395048
I don't know, I haven't logged into Steam since Overwatch came out. They do refunds? Why?

>>383394532
I'm just giving you a little shit, bro.

Moral of this thread, and the point people should get, is that yes there are some pretty awful games out there with failed promises or stagnant development, which as a COURTESY, people should be allowed to get a refund for, but for the most part if you're doing this constantly you are a straight up piece of shit and need to do a little research before spending your money instead of abusing a good system.
I personally have bought lots of games I didn't like but have never asked for a refund because that's just how it goes sometimes. I watch shitty movies at the theatre too but I don't walk out and demand a refund, I just don't watch it again or anything by that director or whatever the case calls for.

>>383393725
I know Valve should stop catering to toxic "consumer first" gamergate ideologies

>>383393917
No, but food is a luxury item just the same.

>>383393802
Because legally they aren't selling you a product. Its a licenses. Its like paying the for the ticket to get into the amusement park.

>>383395401

I don't think you understand the difference between your fundamental rights as a consumer and the things companies do because they want you to come back even though you had a bad experience.

>>383395370
Rich people don't waste their money on entertainment to begin with dude

>>383395513
>africans are in dire need of luxuries
We should just send them leather jackets instead of food.

>>383395015
>If your food is spoiled, you cannot eat it.
Fuck you can't. Quit being so entitled.

demo as in demolition?

>>383393917
>food isn't entertainment
Oh so digital media is considered entertainment?
It's purpose must be to entertain then, no?
>>383395015
>if your video game is bad, you can still play it
>even if it does not entertain you
But you just said digital media should be considered entertainment? What purpose does it have other than to entertain?

What kind of circular reasoning is this? Are you stuck in an infinite loop somewhere?

>>383395443
Sorry was meant for
>>383394645

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>>383390907
>10 years ago
>buy physical copy
>could return it in 30 days
>more than enough time to complete the game
>chances are the game was good enough that you would keep it

>now
>buy digital copy through DRM platform
>2 hours to refund
>half of that time is spent patching the game and waiting out cutscenes/shitty tutorial missions
>game is likely to be unfinished early access garbage

>>383394664
I cant pirate at all. I have to get approval for large downloads and all p2p file sharing is blocked. If I try to get around the system in anyway I'm against my lease and they can evict me then and there.

>>383395834
>what are VPNs

>>383395401
No you fucking don't. You fucking leave, leave a 1-star review and leave like an adult.

You're the obese tub of shit who yells at his eggs for being a little too well done. Screams for a refund and looks like a dumbass to everyone on the way out.

Fuck you. We all laugh at you. Enjoy that.

>>383395540
>digital media isn't a product
>what are digital rights protections

Oh so you mean pirating is okay? I'm not stealing anything because it actually doesn't exist!

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>>383390907
>only demoing
>not downloading, refunding and then installing a crack for the files

>>383395625
Tell me how getting the food you want in a good condition isn't a luxury? Yes, a person needs food to live, but being able to buy 99% of food is a luxury. Go procure it yourself you lazy entitled millenial.

>>383395884
... The activity will still be registered. Also they are banned.

>>383395834
Get out of North Korea, anon.

>>383395807
Almost everything you said is wrong. Please leave this discussion

>>383393985
>WAAAH! GIMME MUNY FOR GAME PANDERS TO MINORITIES AND WOMEN

>>383395993
Right, so lets send Africans rotting, parasite infested meat.

You're a moron. Sorry!

>>383396032
Not if the traffic is obfuscated.

>>383390907
>If we think the refund system is being misused we'll decline to grant future refunds.
Lel
see you in EU court then ;^)

>>383396114
Yes something like that

>>383395927
>paying for your food before it is brought to the table

really makes you think

>>383395434
>They do refunds? Why?
Because consumer laws exist (outside of America, anyway).

>>383396114
Can't buy games with EBT

>>383396085
Well he's right about returning it in a month, though that didn't ever apply to PC games as far as I know.

>>383396085
nice try valve shill. go peddle your filthy visual novels and sandbox crafting zombie survival pvp games elsewhere.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/gaming/steam-operator-valve-fined-2-1-million-for-refusing-refunds-in-australia/

Does this apply to the US?

>>383396123
Meat is a luxury, especially meat provided by others. Prove that it isn't.

>>383396389
No. Our consumer rights laws are piss poor

>>383396318
It did. Having separate laws for digital goods is a very new thing.

>>383393508
Came here to post this. The EU has caused a lot of crap, but the pushing for consumer rights is amazing.

>>383390907
there is a "I don't find it fun" answer in the refund system, how it isn't a method of trying out games?

>>383396398
This isn't 1000BC.

>>383396497
And that proves what, exactly? Why don't you go kill your own animals to get your own meat, you entitiled fuck?

>>383396618
I have pieces of paper backed by promises that I can trade for meat. Much easier.

>>383392783
Eh, depends. Like if you legitimately can't get a game to run because ??? then fuck yes refund all you want.

>>383396249
Nice man.

>>383396318
Generally speaking they would only let you exchange it if it's been opened.

>>383396694
>Spending money on a luxury means it's not a luxury

>>383392783
>says the indie fag who can't make good games
Stay mad or release a good game that's longer than 3 hours ffs.

>>383394664
>this amount of entitled arrogance
I'd say Steam refunds take away the last sort of acceptable argument for piracy. If you don't want to pay, you're entitled to nothing.

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It still blows my mind that there are people so retarded they cannot figure out if they'll enjoy a game or not before buying it. You have so much to go by, thousands of videos, screenshots, online game guides, probably dozens of similar games already out there, millions of people talking about it, back in the day you had to choose games based on name and covert art alone.

If you have more than 1 year of experience in playing video games and still can't figure out if Call of Battlefield : Assassin's Brotherhood 7 is a game you'd enjoy, then you should honestly put the rope around your neck and delay your parent's celebration party no longer.
The only things refunds should be used for is outright lying in advertisement or because of mechanical aspects like games that don't work on your PC because of bad specs/bad port/horrible crashes.

>>383393725
>literally accepting garbage
It doesn't allow you to get anything for free. It's less useful than just pirating and harder to do than just pirating so what the fuck are you whining about?

>>383396832
>someone has you by the balls after you pay and will refund at their discretion
vs
>2 hr download, play, then deciding whether I want to support that dev

hmmmmmm really joggles dem noggins

>>383396936
>Multiplayer is dead
>Game doesn't run on your computer
>Game is just broken
>HUURRRR DUUURRRR WHY DID YOU BUY IT

>>383390907
>refunds are not a method for trying out games

But that's exactly what it is. You can't know whether or not a game is worth the purchase unless you actually try it for yourself. It's the whole reason digital refunds were setup in the first place.

Stop giving your money to shit services like Steam. You can't very well complain about your consumer rights being violated when you're voluntarily funding the institutions that don't care about consumer rights.

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>>383397060
Did you go seething blind with rage and did not even bother finishing reading the post?

>>383396808
>shill
You're like the 3rd person to say that.
I'm just a responsible consumer. EA and the indie game industry in general is pretty shit imo. Too many idea guys and not enough real talent and hard working people give it a bad name.

>>383390907
I see nothing wrong with this desu. How else are they supposed to crack down on potential fraud?

>>383397106
See
>>383396936
YouTube exists, so your statement is invalid

>>383396962
You don't *have* to play games, anon. If you don't like the refund policy, you're free to not play them. Discarding the rules of society to substitute whichever guideline suits your convenience is selfish and shortsighted, and I'd be happy to forego you as a customer if you disagree to that basic premise of culture.

>>383397385
>I have to watch some view-whoring faggot on Jewtube to make a decision whether I like a game or not.

>>383397536
You can still find gameplay without some obnoxious personality attached

>>383390907
>try denuvo games on steam
>pirate everything else
Fuck their policy, I'm not buying something if I don't know if I'll enjoy it.

>>383397536
>search "dragon dogma gameplay video"
>among first results is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TWDfltu6_w
>wooooooow

Less effort than purchasing the game, installing it and then refunding it, I guarantee you.

>>383397536

>I have to do basic research on whether to make a purchase or not.

Yeah, no shit. Also there's plenty of non view-whoring shit out there.

FFS this isn't hard. The onus is on _you_ to decide whether or not to buy something.

Someone selling something doesn't have to make something good, they just have to make something that works. You can legally get a refund if it doesn't work. Anything else and it's just a company being nice.

'I don't like it' is not, and will never be, a valid argument to say you are legally entitled to a refund.

>>383397357
Like i can buy that his skin and muscles are hard as shit. But there is no way his eyes are that tough right? >>383394096

Food can be made inedible if it is spoiled. If the meat is cooked to shit, or if the food was literally rotten then you shouldnt eat it and you shouldnt pay for it. Food not being to your liking is not a reason to not pay for it. Others may have payed for it and loved it. Steam refunds exist for the former not the latter. A game not running well on your system, online play being broken, servers down. Those are reasons to refund.

>>383396936
>The only things refunds should be used for is outright lying in advertisement
Devs do this all the fucking time now. How am I supposed to know what I'll enjoy when they're allowed to lie to everyone's faces with little to no repercussions?

>>383390907
ITT: indie devs who think they are snowflakes that deserve free money for shit after shilling it as a good game.

>>383393508
They'll just ban you instead then

>>383397385
>YouTube exists

YouTube is oversatured with LPs and other eceleb garbage. And YouTube routinely complies with requests to have gaming footage removed when developers threaten them with copyright violations. There is absolutely nothing of value to that site.

>your statement is invalid

You're an idiot. Don't ever try to convince yourself otherwise.

>>383394096
Gotta love how poorfag shitstain like that use the word entitled to describe anyone beside themselve.

>>383399358
>I don't like how they run it so it has no value
Solid argument there. I like the ad hominem at the end, it really shows your objectivity.

>>383393802
Any new industry is cancerous and anti-consumer. Any business that governing bodies have yet to bother to or figure out how to regulate is going to get away with anything they can.

>>383390907
Here is why I refund
>2-4hour gameplay
>gameplay has an awesome button
>batman arkam fighting style/open world or assassin creed open world objectives and collectibles
>game released too early and plays like shit
>game has only story/graphics and no or shallow gameplay/mechanics
>developer didn't published demo because of shitty gameplay, and after 2 hours of trying I get the feeling why developed didn't released a demo

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>we unironically have corporate apologists in this thread

>>383390907
>>383392783
Why not provide demos then?

>Not for demoing
>One of the reasons for a refund options they give you is it's not fun and the game didn't match the videos and screenshots

>>383395984
Now your getting it.

>>383392783
go home ancap
we socialism now, everybody who isn't a "poorshit" doesn't matter anymore, since soon, we'll all have the exact same wealth

>>383399272
if they ban me and i didn't break the EULA i can take that to any consumer rights court in the EU since it's against the law they took an account thousands of dollars in value away for nothing

>>383393802
well actually if i buy food from a supermarket where i live and it's within one day of expiration i can not only refund it, but sue the fuckers too

>>383396832
fuck off, i'm entitled to consumer rights whether or not i pay
this free market memer in this thread really needs to fuck off

>>383402930
No, you'll be allowed to keep your existing games. You'll just be permabanned from buying any more.

>>383403669
no such thing, it's not in the steam policy to do that

>>383403729
They do the same for VPN abuse too. https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?11198-Steam-banned-my-account-without-any-explanation