You have 10 intergalactic seconds to name a better RTS game.

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>>383390460
Total Annihilation

that was easy

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>>383390460
Age of empires II

>>383390460
Red Alert 2

>>383390460
Rise of Nations

Warcraft 3.

>>383390460
Halo Wars 2

C&C Generals

Call of duty

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>>383390460
Dune 2

empire earth

>>383390460
There isn't one. There isn't an RTS that gives you the near-perfect balance, incredible atmosphere, fantastic music and depth of gameplay that this game does. It is the GOAT RTS by a longshot.

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>>383391146
t. faggots who get raped in brood war

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There is none

>>383391543
No gundam No buy

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>>383390460
nah just kidding, competitively BW is and will probably always be the best RTS ever made.

but competitive value is just one aspect and there are many other factors where it doesn't shine as well as others.

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>>383391543
>the expanse
>under firefly

Fuck off you daft cunt

>>383391543
>reddwarf under reddito'rama

>>383390460
The roomates just got me into this.
How do i Git Gud?

Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War III

>>383390460
There isn't one, if you disagree you don't know brood war

SC2 is the 2nd best

>>383391543
Good list, don't think anything is more than one tier away from where it should be

That DS9 positioning tho

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Stalin vs Martians

>>383390460
>3 factions

babbies first rts maybe. any of the age of empires games is vastly deeper and more complex

>>383391543
Bucky O'Hare was badass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1VRYXQVCpo

I bet you're a frogposter

>>383393023
But AoE doesn't have a terrible UI with dogshit field of view that inflates the amount of buttons you have to press to do anything a competently designed game can do.
>Muh APM

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>>383393042
The opening theme is the only good part of it.

>>383391543
farscape down to mid-high
atlantis up to high
voyager down to low-mid or low

brood war

>>383393286
you're gonna get croaked you toad

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>>383391313
>tfw you can only control one single unit at a time in the very original version of the game.

>>383392691
DS9 was great though

>>383390460
Can't.

Best one competitively, second best one casually due to the custom scene.

>>383393171
You're just bad at rts, if you don't think aoe is very apm heavy

>>383391543
>Shitting over fraud insurance pirates
Get fucked

>>383394121
even if aoe has apm stuff it's not so much or pushed so hard by the community that it turned into a meme like it did with starcraft.

Starcraft 2 is better than BW in almost every aspect, except story and artstyle maybe since that's subjective but everything else is better

>>383394414
Is that why the competitive scene died the instant Blizzard stopped subsidizing it?

>>383394273
It had potential, but most of the show is boring sitting around in a maid cafe or school shenanigans.

>>383394121
That's not the point I'm trying to make. SC is terrible because blizzard purposely limits your field of view so it's like playing with your nose against the monitor, so that you have to use keypresses to actually see what is going on to make the game harder for no reason so people will eat that shit right up so they feel like hardcore gamers.

>>383390626
fpbp

>>383391146
Hi ben

>>383394510
Popularity doesn't mean that a game is good, otherwise LoL would be the best game ever made.

I don't know why exactly BW is more preferred in the competitive scene but I think it's because of the 12 unit selection and all that nonsense stuff like not being able to change hotkeys etc.

Sure it might make the game more competitive since it requires more skill to control but it's less fun for the individual player, it makes the game more fun to watch that's why it has a bigger competitive scene but I don't care about watching others play I want to play the game myself

>>383394405
Yeah because less people played AoE competitively.
It has nothing to do with the game itself.
It's not "pushed", it's just that when you play bw you generally face people who have better apm because they've been playing against more and better opponents.

>>383390460

Starcraft Remastered

>>383394510
>competitive scene died
>Blizzard stopped subsidizing it
both false, and i see nothing wrong with developers spending money on competitive scene

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>>383395339
competitive scene is pretty much dead

there's almost new players joining at a pro level and many of the old pros have moved on

>>383395409
>combining spiders and insects
booooring
Why not combine an insect and a crocodile or something?

>>383395601
that's not true at all.

Warcraft 2
what a fucking masterpiece

>>383395339
There's nothing wrong with developers spending money on a game, it just became very obvious that the Blizzard-funded prize pools were the only thing keeping people playing SC2 when they all went back to BW the instant the prize pools went away.

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>>383395673
just move on my man it's dead, 2011 was the peak and no one is going to get into a game with little growth potential when stuff like lol and csgo exists

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>>383394891
its an incredibly good indicator. lols popular because they use addiction tactics similar to casinos and have a player psychology department. disregarding p2w and micro transaction games, popularity is a good indication among the masses.

>>383395601
ah i see you were talking about number of new pros not necesarilly amount of tourneys

i agree that there are not so many new players in Korean scene but there is a bunch of relatively new players from Europe and China

>>383395787
>people switched to something that made them more money
more news at 11

>>383395876
>just move on my man it's dead
when will this meme end, SC2 is not dead, it has about 300k active playerbase, it's the most popular RTS by far, it has shorter queue times than fucking league

>>383395876
meme

>>383395896
Broodwar might be better as an "esport" but it doesn't change the fact that sc2 is overall a better game to actually play and not just watch

Also there's more players playing SC2 than the latest patch of BW according to the in-game numbers

>>383396507
who cares about it being an "" esport"". besides from the technical limitations and 12 control. of course even if 2 has more numbers your ignoring the fact the original is based on an 18 year old game. you need to consider the time too.

>>383395896

LoL matchmaking basically works like a slot machine. One in 5 games you're going to get matchmade with someone who has shit internet or a teammate that is way below the skill threshhold of the rest of the team

starcraft 2 was a good game, just not a good souls game

>>383396784
You are the one saying how BW has a bigger competitive scene and therefore it's a better game, so I said that sc2 has more players.

Also you need to consider that to play SC2 you need to pay while BW is completely free to play now (you can actually play sc2 free with the trial but even if you only count the players in matchmaking right now which requires you to buy the game it still has more than BW)

>>383390460
Have 5.
>C&C:Red Alert 2
>C&C:Tiberian Sun
>Tzar:Burden of the Crown
>Age of Empires 2
>Battle Realms

>>383390460
Dune 2000

>>383396889
lol match making makes you win 50% of games around your skill level, its not out to get you or anything bogus

>>383397075
i never said it has a bigger scene. it had. being free when its dated and irrelevant makes no sense as an argument for popularity. thats like saying ss2 wasnt popular now that its open source. its again, an old game.

>>383393023
>3 factions that are widely different
>several factions that are the same with some little twist

>>383391094
I would agree if I could make it so I can play C&C with right clicking to issue orders

>>383397363
Yes, it is an old game that's why in my first post I said that SC2 is better in almost everything except maybe story and artstyle and you replied by saying that the competitive scene of SC2 died when blizzard stopped supporting it.

There's literally no reason to prefer BW over SC2 unless you just want to replay it for nostalgia

>>383397443
sc factions are just reskins. protos and space marines do the exact same thing, just replacing healing with a shield

>>383390460
Wargame Red Dragon

>>383396889
Pull up the matchmaking algorithm and explain how it's all just a 5 sided die.

>>383397719
You never played starcraft or at least not long enough to understand it, protoss and terrans are very different in both units, structures, mechanics and visually

>>383397756
its achievement of having such responsive gameplay despite such unresponsive units is amazing

>>383397719
Just from each race's basic soldier you should see some differences:
>one has range and can attack air
>one spawns in a pair
>one is just plain better

>>383397719
just population mechanics for each race are enough to prove you wrong

>>383394891
BW is more competitive because it's a better designed game. The balance between the races is better, the units is better, the playstyles is better. The inability to ever play BW to maxmimum potential because of it's shitty interface means there are meaningufl tradeoffs for what you choose to focus on. Micro the army vs Macro the base. Which offensive you give attention to, which drop you co-ordinate. SC2 is too streamlined for it's own good, and many of the pro sc2 games feel the exact same as previous games. LOTV in paticular is finally the most balanced, but now has shit for meta diversity.

>>383397719
Thank you for letting us know that you have never played Starcraft.

>>383397701
>There's literally no reason to prefer BW over SC2 unless you just want to replay it for nostalgia

Or for the competitive gameplay that requires strategies deeper than a-move murderballs.

>>383397701
not really noatalgia if i only started playing both a few years ago. 2 slows down the pace way too much and introduced too many gimmicky mechanics. that dont feel tight. it does improve some things lile rally mining but at the same time that also makes games more streamlined by removing player choice (the limit on apm).

Yuri's Revenge and Company of Heroes

>>383398350
Sc2 is not just "a-move" you have to do much more than that the higher you climb the matchmaking ladder.

Here's an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajcK3o06rLk if you feel like watching it you'll see you need to keep pressuring your opponent and that's not easy to move different groups of units at the same time, plus you need to place your army in the right spot you can't just keep everything togheter or your opponent can easily counter you with banelings, high templar, diruptor, widow mines etc

You can really only A-move if you are a lot better than your opponent at macro

>>383398873
This, RA2 had god tier music.

>>383391543
What makes SG1 god tier?

The characters were great but most of the episodes were lame and shitty

Farscape deserves to be God Tier

>>383391543
Babylon 5 did not live up to the ridiculous hype for me...

It wasn't the bad effects or anything, I just thought the plot was really cliche and predictable

Londo and G'kar and the ship designs were the only good parts of the show

>>383398406
How does SC2 slow down the pace? if anything BW is slow since you only start with like what 4-6 workers? in LOTV you have 12 workers.

I don't know what you mean by "introduced too many gimmicky mechanics".

>>383399053
you're talking to someone who rates ds9 wayyy above rd

>>383399245
>in LOTV you have 12 workers
And the result of that is easy cannon rushes since you don't have to worry about crippling your economy

>>383399234
It only seems cliche and predictable because it was the first show to do all that shit.

>>383399292
To be fair the latter half of Red Dwarf is pretty bad too

>let's make the show about the tiny ass blue shuttle instead
Fuck off you brit cunts

>>383398976
Except the history of SC2: WoL was deathballs. The only race that didn't just deathball was zerg, and roach pushes still comprised a fair share of the meta. It took until LOTV to really solve the problem, and it only did it at the cost of choking the life out of the meta and condensing it down to a handful of real strategies. A-move has literally been 50% of sc2 competitive history.

>>383399318
Even back in the day people were disappointed with how the Shadows arc ended

>>383399416
The latest two seasons after (but not including of course) Back to Earth are actually pretty good anon.

>>383399302
Actually rushes are a lot harder to do now, like 12 pool from zergs is a lot weaker since by the time your zerglings reach the opponent he already built a barrack or warpgate, same goes for cannon rushes since by the time you can build cannons in your opponent base he will have a lot more stuff

I didn't notice any increase in rushes and I've been playing since HOTS

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>>383393976
>tfw beat it with all three houses when I was a kid

>>383393626
What's wrong with Farscape?

I think it's overall the most satisfying Sci-fi story arc I've ever seen

Pretty much every other "good" show on that list had awful last seasons while Farscape's ending was great

>>383399425
I've never played WOL but at the current state of SC2 you can't just A-move your way to diamond league maybe you can reach up to platinum though

>>383391543
>Voyager above Enterprise
Get out

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>>383398976
I can understand how people would consider colossi an A-move unit, but even protoss had units which benefited alot from micro.

>>383398976
But you do understand that BW had every single thing you mentioned and a whole lot more on top of that, right?

Supreme commander: FA
TA
Wargame

Can everyone posting their opinion about competitive SC2 please post their number of 1v1 games completed?

We need to know whether or not to take your opinion seriously.

>>383390460
Warcraft III

>>383399425
This is mostly due to the way the game handles units and by people not having to just handle them in balls of 12.

>>383399941
Yes but as I've already said before BW is not fun or at least not for me, I don't want to spend the whole game fighting the game, you can't even change hotkeys or select more than 12 units, also to make units you can't even select more than 1 building at once.

BW is too much of a chore it feels more too much like an esport than an actual game to have fun, SC2 took the best parts of BW without the all that apm nonsense and fighting with the ui

>>383400021
i have 150 sc2 matches and 1500 bw matches

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>>383394891
>popularity doesn't mean that a game is good
So true.

>>383400171
ie it casualised sc.

>>383399894
Even then colossi are very weak to literally any air unit so the better player can easily beat someone that only A-moves his army with no micro

Nice webm btw

>>383399742
>What's wrong with Farscape?
At points it really felt like they were making shit up as they went with most of it not really contributing towards any end goal.

>>383400021
5000 SC2 matches and no BW matches. I believe that SC2 is pretty much better in all regards though.

>>383400317
It's one of the few times where casualizing a game is actually a good thing that makes it more fun since you can actually do stuff now without having insane amounts of apm

It's not like the game is not competitive anymore the better player will always win.

>>383400146
It was also because defensive on 2 base could take you all the way to max tech 200/200,. The death of the deathball was LOTV forcing players to defend/take 3rds and 4ths, splitting the action up into the full width of the map.

>>383400021
Around 4000 SC2 1v1 matches and just a few 1v1 BW matches.

BW is not a bad game but it's old now and SC2 is overall a lot more fun

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>>383400021
I have to warn you, this is some pretty hot shit right here

>>383400021
SC2? probably more along the line of 2000+
none really in SC1/BW, though I played the campaign and vs bots for most of my childhood. I did not give a crap about online play back then.
I still hate how broken and limited some mechanics in the game engine are. It might be an enjoyable game, but it has age like milk in many ways. Funny how AoE II hasn't done that.

>>383400598
you said you couldnt get into sc until they removed the things that made it hard in the first place. sc2 is to sc as lol is to dota. also the more competitive a game the better player will always win. competitive through different viable strategies and moves. see someyhing lile tic tac toe vs chess

Is it too late to get into Starcraft II?

>>383401134
no

>>383400598
yet despite 'casualizing' the game Blizzard drove off all the casuals. The removal of the strategic element and slower pace of BW made the game more hardcore, not more casualized. The increased stress of the faster pace of SC2 destroyed the game, and all the factors that casued that stress can be pinpointed to Blizzards attempts to cover for the loss of depth modernizing brood wars shitty mechanics brought, while blinding missing the bigger picture.

>>383390460
Lego rockraiders

>>383400926
"sc2 is to sc as lol is to dota" Not even close, sc1 difficulty is fighting the ui and that's boring for the majority of players, while the difference between lol and dota is mechanics like being able to "deny" in dota and other stuff. but I get what you mean still I'd rather play a fun competitive game rather than a more competitive game but less fun
>>383401134
No despite everyone always crying about how sc2 is "dead" it takes max 10-15 seconds to find a matchmaking 1v1 game

And there's plenty of noob players so you'll be matched with players of your skill level once the game finds your mmr which takes about 3/5 games.

>>383401228
Well... Where do I begin. Is there a noob course?

I played Starcraft 1 for approximately a decade and never got any better, in fact I only got worse. I don't want a repeat of that.

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>>383401495
>Well... Where do I begin. Is there a noob course?
depends, do you want to play competitive 1v1 ladder or casual co-op?

>>383401630
I guess competitive 1v1 because that is where the "real game" is right?

>>383390460
Muh moba

>>383401353
I'd say BW is more stressfull since you always have to do move so quickly to do anything, having to rally every single individual worker to the mineral line and being able to select only a portion of your army at a time makes it more stressfull.

Also the casuals played BW because at the time there weren't many Rts games and all of them had the same limitations like not being able to select all of your army at once so you either adapted to it or changed genre of games

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>>383395409
plebs

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>>383399894
>TFW you realize that there is actually a guy who plays SC2 with a controller.

Been years since I watched any of sc2cress's vids.

>>383401754
Yes the main game is 1v1, if I were you I'd just play the game for fun until you learn the mechanics, then if you really want to get better go look up guides but first you need to get familiar with the game.

As long as you keep making workers and spend your resources you'll be a lot better than gold players, the real game gets fun once you get past this "learning phase" of getting good at building your base but even before that it's still fun to mess around with different units and strategies

>>383401754
learn what each unit does, it's weaknessnes and strengths, tech paths, then play against AI a bit to get a hang of the mechanics and how units behave, but don't spend too much playing against AI, 2-3 games at most, people don't play like AI, then just jump into ladder and learn as you go, strategies don't matter in the beginning, just make sure that you make shit, keep money low and don't die to cheese

I remember getting pissed at the start of I think season 3 of Farscape where at the end of the last season everything was fucked and then in the first episode after everything was fine again. Is it worth giving another chance?

>>383400021
No idea, 10k plus at least across my accounts

People rag on SC2 a lot because they're bad and don't understand the game, nor do they want to learn to understand it. They don't see the subtle changes to a build, they don't understand the beauty of flawless army positioning, they can't tell byuns micro and incontrols micro apart. Let them spout their memes, they will never change anyway.

BW is still a better game though.

>>383394891
>otherwise LoL would be the best game ever made.
Hold back your praise for LoL, have you checked the player numbers and games played for clash of clans and all that other trash on phones?
Man, those are the pinnacle of gaming.

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this one right here

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>>383390460

You have as much time as you need to find how this isn't a better RTS game.