How To Fix Consoles Forever

>>383381621
>Can't use older core without buying another case
That design is terrible

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>has a degree in MS Paint
>no degree in programming or engineering

Gee, thanks for fixing consoles, little tike. Let daddy put this on the fridge for you, you did a great job!

So.. it's just a normal console?

What is the benefit of this over the current system?

It seems worse if anything. You're stuck with a shitty outdated HDD forever. There's basically zero tangiable benefity.

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>>383381787
>degree in MS Paint
I keked so hard m8

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>>383381787
Lord knows PCs don't already do this.

>>383381940
>Benefity
Wat

>>383382043
OP is talking of changing the entire motherboard, not just some parts

I like to lay my consoles flat.

>>383381784
???

>>383381940
As with all things, you would obviously have access to your HDD if you need to swap it.

The concept is essentially to bridge the game between console and PC, making something every bit as good as PC with all its advantages but it's so easy to operate that even console gamers can use them. Plus it totally eliminated the issues of consoles not having backwards compatibility.

>>383382216
No, it isn't.

>>383381621

Anonymous, are you a retard?

You say the "motherboard" is in the "side unit" but the "GPU and CPU" are on the "core unit"

Think for a second, in order to be plug and play like that you'd need to set the processor and gpu(which in consoles is a single unit) onto a board, which would then be.... the motherboard. Once you have the processor, the memory, and the board factored in, that's 80% of the cost.

Basically all you're doing is splitting the faceplate and harddrive off from the rest which is more or less already the case.

>>383381621
What happens when the available RAM becomes too little? How do you change that on this model?

>>383382393
But that isn't true at all. None of what you said related to your concept at all. Because you replace the core of the system doesn't mean you necessarily get backwards compatibility at all. It's no different to PS3>PS4.

You're stuck with one sized case, too. Presumably one motherboard, if not then what's the point? A HDD and case is about 15% of the cost of a console I'd imagine.

>All the advantages of PC
PC has a lot of advantages, none of which are found here.

>>383381621
If the core includes a new CPU it's gonna cause comparability issues with older games. This is why the massive gap in power of the Xbox one X doesn't mean much: the CPU bottlenecks it because it's the same as Xbox one.

Also you never know what new tech is gonna come along and need to be implemented into the console

>>383382510
Listen, buttfuck. All the pieces are there. I'm not some pale jizzer born with a third eye or something. Let them figure it out.

>>383381940
>tangiable benefity

wtf are you talking about anon

>All future "cores" must use the same instruction sets or supersets
>Network hardware can never change which means you're stuck at whatever the internet speed is when you buy it
This is retarded. Lets not forget about how things like increasing word size would basically fuck over all the non-upgradable hardware.

>>383381621
So it's basically the same as the current model of having to buy the new model every generation, except you get a docking bay with a harddrive in it.

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>>383381621
Are you a retard? That fixes absolutely nothing.

The Core is still 80% of the cost. Upgrading to a new gen would cost $350 instead of $400, big whoop. And that's assuming the disc standard and ports don't change, which they do over time. By 2020 once next gen arrives I'm sure we'll have USB-C on consoles instead of 2.0 or 3.0, and the generation after that we won't be using blue-ray or discs at all. So your cheap "permanent" front part would also need to be replaced.

This point is hilarious though:
>but new cores can play all older gen games.
How is that different from the current system? New consoles come with new "cores", and yet they aren't compatible with older generations because they use different non-compatible APUs. That's why PS4 isn't compatible with PS3's Cell, or why Switch isn't compatible with WiiU (MS uses emulated backwards compatibility on Xbone, it isn't actually compatible with 360/xbox). How would your cores be ALWAYS compatible with ALL gens? How are they different from what happens now? Even on PC you need to emulate older PC games or change their engine through a remaster or install an older OS.

---TL;DR---
All you did was seperate the least expensive part of a machine and make the "upgradable" part the most expensive. In practice it makes no difference.

>>383383532
And yet PCs have absolutely 0 problems playing older generation games using the same system. You did not think this through.

>>383383664
confirmed for never having played an old PC game

>>383383664
They do and I mentioned just that. Next time read the post.

>>383383664
Try playing anything older than directX 9 and see what happens

This is a terrible idea.
>saves are already in the cloud
>disk drives need to be updated as disk formats change
>USB ports are cheap
>the SoC has to go on the motherboard directly

>>383383774
>muh cloud
I want underageb&s to leave

>>383381621
What, exactly, is this fixing?

>>383383664
>And yet PCs have absolutely 0 problems playing older generation games using the same system.
You're retarded.

>>383383832
OP's ego.

>>383382847

Anonymous, you're not understanding one iota here.

The most expensive part of the entire thing is the processor(which includes the graphics processing elements aswell), and it needs to be both balled(soldered) and likely have some sort of heatsink mounted. People aren't going to be able to do that at home, so we're going to need to pre-mount the processor onto a board.

Now we've got a chip and a board. The next step is memory. Sure, we can have memory addins(infact, the n64 is an example of this being done!), but why bother doing that when we can just stick the memory onto the same board we've already mounted the processor on? Way cheaper.

Now that's all one part, and that's most of the cost and most of the console. Sure you can have the optical drive(for however long consoles still have them), and the harddrive separate and easily replaceable but that's already basically the case for harddrives(it would be the case for optical drives too, but they're typically married to the board for DRM and antimodding reasons).

>>383383736
you know, PCs can run emulators :)

>>383383832
It makes consoles into PCs.

>>383381621
You just described a PC.

from the makers of "the cybermatrix tu 001": this thread

>>383381621
So make them a pc?

Why don't you just remove the optical drive (it's 2017), put the power button on the core and instead of some weird docking system just give it an open SATA drive bay and a SATA cable.

Contrary to your belief, the storage media and power buttons aren't the cost drivers of consoles.

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Today I learned that console gamers really REALLY hate the idea of smart and powerful systems built for longevity and perfection of form. They relish in the thought of buying entirely new under powered idiotboxes that can only play a tiny selection of games for a set time frame.

Imagine that.

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>>383383981
>>383384030

>>383381940
>tangiable benefity
is this an epic new meme

>>383383959
So can consoles.

how to fix consoles forever:
developers return to produce games for the gamecube forever
there you go

>>383381621
This is unbelievably retarded. perfect for crowdfunding

>>383381621
You have just described PC gaming.

Consoles will be obsolete in 15 years. People will simply buy a box to connect to their TV and stream games.

>>383384021
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/973736766/the-cybermatrix-100-tu01

>>383384391
TVs will be obsolete in 15 years.

>>383384391
>People will simply buy a box to connect to their TV and stream games.

Why bother with the box when TVs will just have the option itself

>>383384391
The 90s called, they want their streaming is the future meme back

>>383381621
Basically a dumbed down version of a PC case/build. Why not just do away with consoles altogether? I'm afraid your idea is too complex for the average console gamer/normie to figure out.

>>383381940
>tangiable benefity
What? Tangible benefits you mean?

>>383381621
So u think hdd never changes? More so, do u think its still 'hdd'?

>>383384060
>being this buttpained that /v/ shat on your dumb idea

>>383384561
I don't think Smart TVs will be at that point in 15 years

>>383384673
shut up, black man. Go play your zelda. It's not like your switch can do anything else at all.

>>383384574
>90s
I would say mid '00s senpai

>>383381621
>veritcal console
fuck you

>>383384060
You might be trying to meme, but it is true. The PS2, recognized as the least powerful console during its generation, sold wildly more than any others. People buying it didn't care about the power. They were buying it for various other reasons.

Power doesn't matter in console wars. It never has. The more power something has, the more expensive it will be. Sony tried the PS4 Pro, it isn't doing to hot. Microsoft is going to try the Xbox One X, initially it won't do too well either. The key difference here is that, in the future, Microsoft can make the Xbox One X cheap (same price as Xbox One S) and would be ahead of Sony, as the PS4 Pro is only a marginal upgrade over the PS4 so newer games coming out for Xbox One X won't be able to play on it. Unless Sony charges ridiculously low amounts for the PS4 Pro.

>>383384734

Sony already sells TVs that have PSNOW support

>>383381621
Consoles are cheap because new cores don't give an absolute shit about backwards compatibility (on the other hand, Intel wouldn't cost so much if they dropped their slogan that forces them to be compatbile with anything they made previously, this is why they're a weird hybrid of CISC and RISC).

So basically you want removable hard drives and a case for the console.

nigga u dumb as fuck just put your ps4 in a fucking cardboard box and plug an external hard drive into it

boom saved the industry

>>383384860
What I mean is I don't see them being so ubiquitous that the box would not exist.

>>383384839
It was the most powerful system in the world at the time, as I recall. It also played DVDs, which was a first and it even had a hard drive. It was one of the first consoles to more closely resemble a PC at the time and it sold like buttered biscuits.

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>all these butthurt pc fags shitting their pants seeing their precious machine a crumbling and collapsing before their very eyes

>>383384839
>newer games coming out for Xbox One X won't be able to play on it
this is wrong
games are required to run on 'both' Xbone and XOX
XOX is Microsoft's version of PS4Pro

>>383384734
15 years ago smartphones weren't a thing anon

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>>383385010

>>383381621
>fix consoles
>posts PC
Anon..

>>383385010
What? how the fuck would a pc crumble or collapse?

>>383384794
Streaming meme started almost immediately after internet got mainstream in the 90s, maybe even before

>>383381621
There's a reason consoles haven't done modular hardware upgrades in decades.

At this point they're too expensive with too little benefit while also fracturing your user base

>>383384839
A ton of people bought the PS2 for their kids and for them it conveniently doubled as a DVD player, and since they were so cheap to manufacture, they were able to sell it for less and focus money on buying exclusivity rights to games. The PS2 was just caught up in the perfect situation despite being an inferior device, power-wise, to the GameCube and Xbox.

>>383385136
streaming itself isn't a meme, the idea that games will be streamed didn't really become a thing till after the 90s

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>>383381621
>How To Fix Consoles Forever

this is how

Can't believe no one here appreciates my genius. You'll all be singing a different tune when the Sony Infinity Console Kapitän comes to market.

OP you should make this thread on /g/, they gonna be very impressed

>>383385261
>What is Sega Channel

>>383385094
and? Are you going to tell me Smart TVs that would have that functionality would be on the same level as smart phones? You really think they would become such a huge thing so soon that manufacturers would not even bother designing an item that would do the same thing since nobody in the country would buy them?

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>>383381621
Got'cha covered, pham

>>383385424
An extremely niche service that the majority of people at the time didn't know or care about. Next question

>>383381621
>Forever
So what happens when new CPU sockets come out? What happens when a new USB standard becomes mainstream enough that it replaces the old one? What happens when disk drives are replaced? What happens when an HDD dies or is replaced by ultra efficient SSDs?

>>383381621
So you mean a PC?

>>383385069
Microsoft's vision of the future is console iterations. They're taking a page from Apple's book. Keeping a unified OS (Windows 10) and just making new hardware revisions with OS updates. Instead of starting over from scratch every 6-7 years, just release a beefier version of the previous console every 3-4 years. Because in 3-4 years, the beefier version will become economically affordable and they can release a new beefier version. All the while games will be able to set their own compatibility.

Microsoft themselves will probably maintain complete compatibility, but they know once the XOX becomes affordable game developers will set the line there and eventually most of the newer AAA titles won't run on the XO/S

>>383385364
It won't sell and it'll become like the PC ecosystem where some people are running the latest "core" and others are running toasters. In order for it to sell you would have to throw in a new case to let normies know it's new. They usually can't do basic things like a PC build, even if dumbed down. And making a console with detachable components like that would be more expensive and require larger cases/form factors.

>>383385453
People still buy flipphones in japan
And smart tv's are now starting to come with netflix in box.
Imagine a tv that doesnt require a box to be plugged in in order to get whatever programs you want.
Hell, the tv I got got netflix AND Hulu prepackaged.

>>383385175
This

the PS3 sold so well even at its 600 dollar price point because it doubled as a blu-ray player that was cheaper than all other stand-alone bluray players

>>383385526
>Something only started to exist when millions of people decided it existed
Sounds like american education.

>>383385795
I'm sure it will be a thing, but do you think Sony wouldn't bother making a product to stream games because everyone will have TVs with that capability?

>>383385851
>It existed and some people used it
>therefore it was a meme.
Why are Euros so retarded?

>>383385796
not only was it cheaper than stand alone bluray players at the time it WAS BETTER.

The original psx, ps2, and ps3 models all sold regardless of their videogames because people into hi-end systems could buy them for cheaper than comparable cd/dvd/bluray players.

My ex-boss owned all 3 systems specifically for those reasons, he told me the only video game he bought/played was mgs but that was it.

>>383381621
It's not fixing any problem, by going this route that mean consumer just keep the case/casing and replace the entire hardware, it'll be still the same scenario more or less, but people kept the case instead buying entire thing.
Maybe they'll save like $10 each gen, thanks?

>>383381621
All you did was make a glorified PC.

>>383388361
But they already are glorified PC's tho.

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>>383384839
>The key difference here is that, in the future, Microsoft can make the Xbox One X cheap (same price as Xbox One S) and would be ahead of Sony
What the fuck are you talking about?
You're assuming Sony won't decrease the price of PS4/PS4pro at the same time.
PS4pro is already $100 cheaper than XboneX, and will most probably get a $50 price crop before XboneX's release, making it $150 cheaper than XboneX's on its launch. After that they'll simply match future discounts. Once XboneX gets its first $50 pricedrop, so will PS4pro, forever keeping that $100-150 difference between the two.

The only reason OG Xbone matched PS4's price, when it once was $100 more expensive, is because it ditched Kinect. XboneX can do no such thing.

> as the PS4 Pro is only a marginal upgrade over the PS4 so newer games coming out for Xbox One X won't be able to play on it.
There will be ZERO exclusives for XboneX, just as there are no exclusives for PS4pro. EVERY 8th gen game will run on the standard Xbone and PS4 until the generation ends (by 2020-ish) Why would a developer create a game that can only be sold for 10 million units instead of 110million units? Who would ignore the huge Xbone/PS4 market and only make a game compatible with XboneX? No one.

Also keep in mind that XboneX isn't a generational leap over the other consoles, it still has a very weak CPU, there isn't really a way to make exclusives for it that wouldn't run on the other systems because they all have the same bottleneck. XboneX's (and PS4pro's, to a lesser extent) only strength is a better GPU and more RAM, both of which can only be used to run the same games but on higher resolutions and better textures.

You all just responded to some cheap bait thread, most likely from someone on /g/.

At least I hope people arent as retarded as OP

>>383381621
what is the core?
mobo, ram, apu/cpu/gpu all together?
how can you make different architectures be compatible with each other natively?
and the heatsink? will each core have the same ram, cpu, gpu, vrms etc. displacement? same tdp each gen?

>>383382467
You do realize that motherboards have to be upgraded too at some point

What if future consoles needed to adapt new USB standards or ditch optical discs in favor of solid state media?

>>383388568
lol seething

>>383381621
What if there was a console that saves your game by using punch cards?

>>383381621
Memory, GPU and disk interfaces and processor sockets change over time, lad. Following your design the "core" would be the bulk of your system. It's a really stupid and redundant idea, you should kill yourself.

>>383381940
oh no a typo

>>383381621
Oh look, it's a PC only with more limitations. What's even the fucking point then? May as well just get a PC at that point and have a product that can double as a workstation too.

>>383382216
Then why bother keeping the shit that's left? It's just some optical and HDD. The "core" would be the entire console. There aren't any advantages to this design over replacing the entire unit.

>>383381621
t. someone who obviously doesn't work in marketing

>>383391175
You could market the shit out of it, but only in Commiefornia and maybe some parts of Yurop where guilt over e-waste could be leveraged.

>>383381621
It's just a slightly more idiot-proof PC.

>>383381621
hey gaben

steam machine didn't work so we would never want this half step neither

>>383392257
Ya don't say.

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>>383381621
So like a NAD receiver then.

Swapable upgrades.
Just like you can with the HDD/SSD on current consoles, but with CPU and GPU.

>>383392823
>Swapable upgrades.
>Just like you can with the HDD/SSD on current consoles, but with CPU and GPU.
I'm not sure why but that seems pretty familiar. Like there's a platform that already allows such a thing.

>>383392948
Almost like hmm, PCMR.

ITT idiots who dont know the slightest shit about computer architecture and think OP's idea is not horseshit

>>383393720
The thread is filled with anons calling the OP a dumb cunt. Don't be a dumb cunt too, anon.