they should stick with this concept for the future consoles,

>>383373490
>just make a better hardware for the next one and that's it
with current tech is likely impossible to get better hardware in portable mode without making it last less time

>>383373657
maybe not right now but it 5+ years they'll have something for sure. new tegra chip, new batteries...

You say that, but when that happens it'll be just as far behind whatever home console is out then

>>383374078
>whatever home console is out then
power race in consoles is a dead em. once it reaches 4K (which is already a meme IMO) and 60 FPS thats it, any new power will be a literal waste.

>b-but my photo-realist processing
too expensive to make for games and too big size unless you are ready for 80-90$ games at 100 GB file size

power portable gaming is the future sooner or later

>>383374312
Higher resolution isn't a meme...

>>383374471
did you missed all XBO-X presentation?? or basically the past 2 years??

higher resolution at 4K native when majority of the world dont use 52" tvs is a meme

and the trend can only become dumber. games will be the same just attempting to look better (and we are likely close to hit the uncanny valley)

>>383374031
maybe try 50+

>>383374312
Highres and "GOOD GRAPHICS" in general is a meme but the industry has constantly shown devs and the average consumer would rather push for "prettier" games than using the power for performance or doing new things not possible with weaker hardware, even to the detriment of the actual game, and I don't see that changing any time soon

>>383373490
Add d-pad and you're right.

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>>383373490
People are already bitching about Jaguar.

I mean the Switch is great for first party Nintendo games but RDR2?

Their next gen "console" should just be an upgraded dock in 5-6 years which has the hardware to run the same games in 4k/60fps.

>>383374659
>higher resolution at 4K native when majority of the world dont use 52" tvs is a meme

no it isn't

>>383374748
that is my point, going for the GRAPHIXS line. (and keeping in mind, file size, sales price, dev time, dev budget, ETC ETC ETC) there is a limit to how much this trend can continue.

Bastardizing a game in multiple DLC parts was teh "leverage" to keep games at 60$ price point.
Its already obvious that games dev time is taking longer when you compare games release times from Past gen to now.

>>383374887
RDR2 wouldn't ever come to Switch, unless it comes to Switch 2 or something. Still, it's a multiplat game. As long as you have a PC you're good.

If they get to a point where they can run games at 1080/60 handheld or better and 4k/60 or higher docked with a battery life lasting even longer then I think the only reason people will go for the other consoles is 3rd party AAA games

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>>383374965
Nintendo always knew this would happen.

>>383374887
>>383375335

3rd party will never, ever work in Nintendo cause they dont see any benefit on playing on Nintendo's home turf

PS4 and XBONE the competition is other 3rd party too, and maybve the once or twice good 1st party games S and M put out per generation.

in a Nintendo console they have to fight sales again Nintendo own IPs, call em whatever you want, but their games are popular.

Imagine if Nintendo were a 3rd party and BotW release a long side Witcher 3. they would have gone pretty head to head I bet BotW would have won in the end

>>383375073
>rdr2 pc

Anon...I ....hope it will come

>>383374965
Yes, but I believe they're going to keep pushing it as hard as they can because they can and it's what the public wants

You are a more optimistic man than I

>>383375673
RDR was fucked so I don't think they ever meant for it to come to PC. RDR2 is a big investment so it'll come to PC in 1-3 years.
>>383375436
You're ignoring how many companies made tons of money on their consoles/handhelds.

>>383375436
nintendo mastered the cutesy character design that sticks with people
ie squid girls, pearl and marina
why havent the other companies been able to do it?
its like they sacrificed souls for being able to make memorable mascots

only other new mascots from non nintendo that jumps out is 2b then nothing else

>>383375436

If Nintendo developed their games on other systems there';d eventually be demands for greater graphical fidelity and/or realism (style wise)

Nintendo isn't willing to sink stupid amounts of money into making games like other companies and that's part of the reason they make profits on games and hardware

>>383373490
They will. Nintendo Switch 2 (or NS2)

>>383375798
>You're ignoring
Im not, of course there will be pockets, Nintendo cant pull a BotW tier game every month, but imagine being a developer and having to plan all your release schedule based on avoiding someone else big hits or nowhing they will likely monopolize holidays seasons

>>383375921

Mid gen upgrades are a thing companies can do now so so Switch + or something is likely in 2-3 years

>>383375709
I meant, I know they will
Im just saying they will eventually hit a wall where the NO longer CAN. at that point going mobile power is the solution and by that time Nintendo will be on that market way before em

>>383375856
the point was not power, was side to side competition.
same example
3rd party Nintendo
BotW on PS4
release on the same week as Horizon.
(same graphics as switch etc etc etc)

you think BotW wont have not raped to hell adn back all Horizon sales??

>>383376032
2020 the next version should come. As you said, not Switch 2 but some upgrade sure.

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>>383374741

>>383376032
>Mid gen upgrades are a thing companies can do now so so Switch + or something is likely in 2-3 years
man, Switch can not get a mid gen update cause its not a matter of power but Battery bottlenecking it.

they of course can put a chip that is slightly better (and lets imply it wont melt the consoles) but as long as the battery is the restriction, they cant move on.

Samsung tried with to be tested tech and we all know how Galaxy 7 ended

>>383376067

Going by the PSP they'll just come in with a system promising power and we'll be back in the same boat, racing to make more and more powerful systems

>>383376309
yes but at that time that will be a field ground Nintendo will be standing as an equal too.

>>383374929
Yes it is. 4k is shit and doesn't look better than 1080 at all. I've tried and they look the same. You need a magnifying glass to spot the subtle differences

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>>383375962
Nintendo isn't putting out atom bombs like BotW or SMO or Pokemon every month. Even this year they let a game like Minecraft have the entire month for itself for example. I'm pretty sure Ninty cooperate with major companies when they release certain games.

>>383376609
niggah you blind

>>383376726
This makes sense considering its a portable console

>>383376725
he's right

>>383376637
>Twilight Princess on GCN
>but BotW on Switch instead of Wii U

lol

>>383376725
No. 4k wont make graphics look prettier or more detailed. More polies will make games look better.

>>383373490
Consoles shouldn't be "portable".
In order for it to be made portable they have to engineer it with handheld hardware.
>just make better hardware
It won't happen because either the console would weigh a lot, lot more and/or it'll cost much, much more to produce and sell.
The success of this gimmick is ruining the chances of Nintendo producing a console that isn't a toaster.

>>383376825
nope

>>383376886
what do you think those polygons display on?

>>383376916
But they are now. Deal with it. Versatility is way better than graphical power. Graphics stopped being impressive 10 years ago anyway, stop falling for the marketing.

Iwata already said they are adapting the iphone model for the switch.

>>383376916
>It won't happen
are you an idiot? of course it will happen. the next tegra chip for the next nintendo console can be much more powerful. and it will be.

>>383377081
I'm not even talking about graphics.
The Switch is a handheld and because of it's lack of power it will only get Nintendo IPs (again) instead of 3rd party support, and I'm not just talking about multiplats. It's a handheld with a 2 and half hour battery life and a dock that connects to a tv not an actual console.

>>383377000
on 1080 display. you don't need 4memek. 1080 is more than good enough.

>>383376916
>Consoles shouldn't be "portable"
this is as retarded as saying computers should not be laptops

>>383377252
anata baka.
1 chip does not an actual console make. It needs to still not be made with literal phone parts first. It'll still barely surpass 360's "power" but at a much slower processing speed.

>>383377253
>The Switch is a handheld and because of it's lack of power it will only get Nintendo IPs (again) instead of 3rd party support
Do you even know how popular they are in Japan?

>>383377278
The switch is a handheld with a bad battery life and because of the fact that is engineered as a handheld it is a subpar console. Feel free to drone as much as you want to but it's the truth.

>>383377253
Are you saying that being a Nintendo handheld is a negative for getting third-party support?

>>383377458
Switch is one of the most powerful consoles ever engineered. Go be a good nigger and play fifa on xbox. Switch is for real gamers

>>383377458
>bad battery life
sure, find me a device with same specs with better battery, I can wait, take your time butthurt-kun

>>383377253
it's not a handheld

>>383377497
Yes because it's the truth. It's not marketed as the 3ds it's marketed as a console outisde of japan.

>>383377392
it's all they buy and play, but it's still a tiny island with a dying population. a 2.5 hour battery life is still a huge negative for a handheld.

>>383377270
>1080 is more than good enough.
why

>>383377392
who cares about japan? It's the west that is the main driving force behind consoles. You could have asked how popular they are in Argentina instead.

>>383377372
no

>>383377617
yes it is

>>383377616
The 3DS.

>>383377617
It's engineered with handheld parts. It's a handheld with a dock that connects to a tv.

>>383377590
>Switch is one of the most powerful consoles ever engineered.
Kek it's barely more powerful than a 360 and it operates very, very, very slowly in comparison.

>>383377717
it's not and this is a fact

>>383377632
Except it lasts 3-3.5 hours for the most demanding game. You could buy a 20$ powerbank to make it last the entire day if you want. And Japan is still one of the biggest markets for game so everything you said was wrong.

>>383377659
because 1080 is crystal clear. 4k is such a meme it's just overkill

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>>383377735
>The 3DS.

>>383377753
nope

>>383377776
>1080 is crystal clear
if you have bad eyes maybe

>>383377690
Japan's where most of the third-parties that actually make good games are. They supported Nintendo handhelds, and they're supporting the Switch.

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>>383377735
>The 3DS.

>>383377764
t. deluded drone
It's average life is 2-2.5 hours.
Japan is the biggest market for bing bing wahoo but it's still a tiny island with a stagnating population.

>>383377807
>it's not because I said so

so nintendo is wrong. they should listen to you. kek

>>383377793
>>383377890
You can stop samefagging. It's true.

>>383377915
Factually wrong. It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

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>>383377976
3DS doesn't have the same specs as the Switch...?

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>>383377986
>y-yoour wrong ;_;
Not an argument.

>>383378039
No shit you toddler but it still has a longer battery life.

>>383377965
How is Nintendo wrong? They market it as a handheld too

>>383378156
oh ok, you're just shitposting. nevermind then

>>383373490
I agree that in the future Nintendo should stick to only having 1 console at a time and that it should be a hybrid handheld you can plug into your TV.

I think that's the ideal way to go for Ninty.

>>383378106
okay, that doesn't make the answer "right", reread the question

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>>383378237
How am I shitposting? Because I refuse to accept your arbitrary definition of handheld that you use to try and make some nonsensical argument? Get the fuck outta here.

>>383378106
Looking at the official specs, the original 3DS's battery life was 3 to 5 hours. The Switch's is 2.5 to 6.5 hours. They're about the same, with the Switch having a slightly lower minimum, but a significantly higher maximum.

>>383377889
>japan
>making good games

LMAO.

>>383378317
you're lying, that's all

>>383377807
Nope, I don't have bad eyes at all, I don't need glasses. I've tested both and came to the conclusion that 1080 is more than good enough.

>>383378595
lying how?

>>383378687
well you're wrong

>>383373657
The tegra X2 is actually better in terms of battery consumption than the X1.

>>383375073
>RDR2 for PC
yeah just like how first RDR came out for the PC.

mods on that game were perfect.

>>383378726
for nintendo, it's a hybrid home console. it never was and never will be a handheld

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>>383378791
Nooooo!!!!!! You need 1080 144hz at 1ms response time. 4k is a shitty meme stop believing in it

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>>383373490
It really is. Having both the ability to take it wherever and pop it on the big screen is actually a really great concept. I first thought it was just some dumbass meme but now that I've had it for about two months, I've been constantly changing back and forth. Only thing I hope for is some extra battery pack type thing to extend periods of play or I guess I could just cave and buy one of those power banks. I feel like it dies too quickly in portable mode but I guess it's to be expected with the type of hardware.

At the very least, I'm happy that the Switch is proving that graphics don't really matter.

Devs can bitch about specs all they want (like they're even doing with the new "Pro" consoles), but ultimately, they have to cater to consumers. If the consumers want more games on a console that is essentially just a portable Tegra X1, then developers will have to make games for it.

I think hybrid consoles are the way forward though. Making consoles more and more like PCs (what the Xbone and PS4 are doing) is really just a path to suicide.

Wouldn't be surprised if the PS5 was essentially a Switch with extremely custom hardware and worse battery life, just so Sony could capitalize on the craze the Switch is causing.

>>383376637
>two links on N64
>six links on Gamecube
>one link on Wii
>one link on Wii U
how is twilight princess considered as an gamecube title but breath of the wild isn't considered as a Wii U title?

>>383376726
Who cares about this voice chat cancer method. Use discord or whatever other means of communication. I haven't used an in game chat system in like two years.

>>383378975
When you say it's a "hybrid," what do you mean it's a hybrid of?

>>383379191
most people associate TP with GC??

>>383378975
It's still a handheld tho lol

>>383373490
Without a shadow of a doubt there will be incremental upgrades akin to PS4 PRO. This is Tegra X1 so Switch 2018 will be Tegra X2 or newer. Nvidia won't be making those chips forever after all.

>>383374031
Battery tech has plateaued. The issue isn't with batteries, but more with conductors.

-Prototype battery technician

>>383379395
it's a home console you can take out with you

>>383379531
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about

>>383379531
>The issue isn't with batteries
then be kind enough to explain G7 Jihads to me

>>383379642
Yes I do.

-Prototype battery technician

>>383376179
You are delusional, Nindrone.
It would have been the other way around. Because BotW looks like some indie trash from 2004 compared to Horizon and Nintendo knows that.
Nintendo only partakes in the special olympics becaues they would have zero chance against the competition in the real thing.
Now take Nintendo's dick out of your ass and mouth you silly retard.

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>>383379882
yeah so, explain then why BotW have sold more in a lesser userbase than Horizon on PS4, even after Horizon got a price slash?? :3c

>>383373490
Honestly the dock is the most disappointing thing. It's little more than a cable that upscales the resolution. If actually was built like a console that could handle comparatively to the PS4 and Xbox One while the handheld portion became more of an accessory that handles each game at lower settings. Imagine a two part console where each part could run independently of each other and you wouldn't need to necessarily buy both, letting the Switch become the handheld. It would resolve the 3DS and the Switch into a single architecture where you can have 3DS titles and full on AAA titles running on the same system.

Tl;Dr Nintendo should reimagine the dock as an actual console that performs like the competition and complementing the handheld running the game at higher settings instead of simple upscaling

>>383380030
the dock is nothing more than an hdmi out. all the hardware that controls resolution/performance is in the switch. you cant have, say, another gpu in the dock to double performance. doesnt work like that.

>>383380030
>Imagine a two part console where each part could run independently of each other and you wouldn't need to necessarily buy both

That sounds awful

>>383380030
Then it would more than double the cost of production and price of the system itself. I'm going to assume that this is the concept that will be implemented in the future, but It's most certainly not soon.

>>383380030
> Reeee Nintenjews should have made a $300 handheld with a $500 dock and sold it for $200.
Yeah fuck off kiddo, Jews don't do that shit.

>>383380030
Sounds like a PS4-Vita combo.

>>383380149
It could work if they reworked the circuitry on the Switch for games to bypass the handheld and run directly on the new dock, when it is in docked mode.

>>383380154
>>383380210
Yeah it'll probably be something that they might do 3 years down the line akin to PS4 pro and Xbox One X

>>383380280
I didn't say anything about keeping the price point. Of course it would be more. I imagine a $600 bundle that comes with both, and people would still have the option to buy the handheld Switch on its own for $200 or whatever it would cost in three years, or opt to buy the "dock" console for $300-$400 that can run the games at higher power and have its own cartridge port and 1TB HDD, able to run on its own without having the handheld docked.

>>383380880
Kind of

>>383381020
>It could work if they reworked the circuitry on the Switch for games to bypass the handheld and run directly on the new dock, when it is in docked mode.

But then the thing is entirely done through the dock and it becomes an entirely new console and much more expensive...

>>383381169
Yes, at that point it becomes two consoles that can run independently of each other, or synced. It would unify their handheld and console libraries into a single one and Nintendo can ditch the 3DS line in a few years in anticipation of a new Switch

>>383381469
Why bother with two devices, then? It would just be a $400 console and a $200 handheld. People like the Switch because you get the main device, the docking capability, and the two detachable controllers out of the box for the $300 price point. Splitting it up between entry and premium models would kill the selling point. There's no reason to do that.

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>>383381469
>just throw more money at it and it will be better

wow

>>383381020
>I imagine a $600 bundle that comes with both

A fucking terrible idea, Nintendo played it safe because they don't want another Wii U. People who aren't savvy in the industry will just think the system is $600 and buy a PS4 instead because you get the full package for third of the price

>>383377659
Are you retarded?

The same specs can either run 4k or 1080p with better textures, more polygons, more objects on screen etc.

If you think 4k is worth sacrificing everything else then you're truly retarded

>>383382586
you sound like a poorfag that cant afford a good PC lol

>>383377807
Ah yes 4k on a TV I sit 6-7 feet away from really makes a difference

>>383382674
Get a bigger TV then

>>383373657
the x1 is pretty bad, relatively. the reason they went with it is because nvidia had a huge surplus of unused chips so it was probably *very* cheap

Just make a new screen so I don't have to get rid of my dock or controllers.

>>383382668
Nice argument

We're discussing direction of where to take games, your pathetic insult has no place here.

>>383381719
Nintendo would basically have to do an entry and premium mode in a few years if they want more 3rd party support. Sony and Microsoft did it with their consoles, why can't Nintendo? I imagine people would still be able to buy almost the same Switch package in a few years, or go for the "pro" dock console and run the games at higher settings, handle local multiplayer with up to 8 joycons or 4 pro controllers, and otherwise become a full on media center like the competition.

>>383381727
Hit or miss. The success of such an idea depends on how they handle it.

>>383382227
Not if you have three options side by side, the standard Switch package, the "pro" package, and a bundle that comes with both. It's like going to the store and seeing PS4 and PS4 pro next to each other. This again depends on how Nintendo handles it and doesn't fuck up on marketing like they did with the Wii U.

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>>383382885
>he takes his games outside the house

>>383382916
not really considering there's no reason to actually get a pro

>>383382843

They went with it because they've been developing this thing for years, and the X2 was barely out the door when Nintendo wanted to launch. Probably a good thing they went with the X1 anyway, they can't keep up with demand now as it is, and they damned sure couldn't if they were constantly waiting on X2s.

>>383382916
I would honestly buy a switch 'pro dock' or whatever in a few years

>>383382843
This is a product they want to keep manufacturing well into several years from now and sell 100 million of. They aren't picking chips on a whim because there happened to be extras sitting around. That wouldn't be sustainable for six years.

The X1 was made barely two years ago. Nintendo's deal with Nvidia and the design for the Switch has been in place since that time. Nvidia reportedly did custom work for it for the Switch during development. There's no basis for this "X1 chips from the bargain bin" story that's being thrown around.

The chip people present as proof of it being outdated, the X2, is made for smart cars. Not even Nvidia's using them in their own 2017 devices.

>>383379531
What is graphene?

>>383383716
I think I remember from breakdown videos/articles that the Switch just uses a standard X1 and that it's not really customized or anything.

>>383377136
Iwata isn't in charge anymore lad.

>>383373490
WHY NINTENDO
WHY THE JOYCONS DONT CHARGE THE TABLET WHY IT RUN OUT OF BATTERY
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>383384217
Well, Nvidia's report mentions customization, and Nintendo's specs list the CPU/GPU as "NVIDIA customized Tegra processor." I don't get it myself. One thing I know is that it has an "NX" part number on it unique from the X1 used in other devices and a "revision 2" mark, but I don't know if that means anything concrete. Maybe architectural customization or something that's not easily visible?

In any case, the manufacturing dates on the SoCs in the Switch are far too recent for there to be any truth to the idea that Nintendo's using old, unwanted chips.

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>playing video games outside that the battery life is actually an issue

>>383385508
Possibly there is customization like you said, to make it work better in the Switch's architecture but I don't think it translates it to being more powerful to a standard X1.