lol get rekt ancap faggot

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THE WASTELAND BELONGS TO THE LIBERTARIANS

Damn right
Yes Man is your man
Though I was sure he'd betray me when he showed up with the securitron army

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>mfw the only thing they could think of to make the legion sound bad was fucking slavery

That shit was so forced. Legion a best.

>>383371163
He violated the NAP. He had it coming.

>replayed NV several times
>try to do things differently each time and to make a different character
>still can't birng myself to go with Legion even once
I mean, they are such fucking faggots

>>383371497
Too afraid to make your own decisions, huh

>>383371507
Also the fact they have no leadership plan for when Caesar dies and will inevitably fail.

>>383371672
*tips fedora*
I too hate legion, fellow gentlesir

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>>383371904
Then you don't understand the legion and what he wants

>>383372174
Not the same guy but the legion is built to fail. The cult of personality is just as strong as it was in Rome but the society hivemind isn't like that of Rome at all. When Rome became a dictatorship it was already 200 years a republic that didn't rely on 1 figure to make things run. And even after they became an empire they had a senate. The 86 tribes on the other hand are unwashed leather wearing savages who only recognize Caesar's strength. Lanius may crush them once he takes command but I really doubt it, he's just a brute who doesn't share Caesar's vision.
In NV it's all in 1 man's hands and most of the savages he subdued don't follow him cuz of his grand idea but cuz of himself, once he dies it all goes to shit.

>>383372740
it's not meant to survive forever, what caesar wants to do is establish a unified culture that will remain even if the legion is destroyed

>>383371672
I can't do a legion playthrough either. Though the reason is mainly how fucking unfinished that faction is. Compare how many quests NCR has to Legion.
I mean come on.

>there are people who unironically sided with Caesar's LARPers

>>383373065
what i like to do is finish them in the worst possible way acting as a saboteur

like finishing the flags of our foul-ups quest by getting them chems from the fiends or letting kristoff kristofferson continue sabotaging ncr radio operations

>>383372893
But most tribes follow him cuz of his strength and not cuz they believe in his vision.

>>383371163

POO POO

PEE PEE

COURIER HAS TO CHANGE ME

>>383373235
that wont matter because in the following generations after caesar achieves his goal they'll culturally all be the same. that's why caesar forced the tribal out of them and follow only caesar

Anarcho-Capitalists might be the most retarded people on the planet, even more so than socialists

What would be easier, for Courier to become the President of the NCR or for Courier to become Caesar Augustus Tabellarium?

>>383371743
Actually, libertarianism is exclusively about making your own decisions...

>>383373483
t. no skill welfare leech

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some questions
Why does the legion not want to use technology he was a follower of apocalypse he's well read on a lot of things more wastelanders aren't besides actual Rome was not technologically deprived at all.

Why does Caesar and his legion hate women so much did he get cucked or something?

Why does Caesar say he finally found his Carthage on the NCR? I get the comparison obviously but I mean more of like why does he sound as though he didn't know what the NCR was even though he was literally born there. I guess he left when he was 20 so maybe he didn't expect it to get as big as it was but surely if he kept going west he would have expected to meet them eventually.

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>>383373483
Low quality commie bait.

Hey, you ever fly a helicopter?

>>383371542
>violate the NAP
>get your nap violated in return

hmm

>>383371163
yes man was an-cap you dope, House was libertarian.

>>383373823
>implying there's any difference between libertarians and an-caps

>>383373823
Yes Man was whatever you as the courier wanted him to be.

>>383373941
nice bait

>>383373558
Most "libertarians" are ironically very socially authoritarian

>>383373941
small government=/=no government
>>383373984
Achievment is No Gods No Masters, an anarchist saying.

>>383373941
Libertarians are an-caps who got in power and said: "well ,maybe we need a little state"
Then they made themselves Dictator Perpetuus because you are violating the NAP if you disagree.

>>383374052
Except not at all lol

>>383373483
They're just a step below fascists

>>383374058
anarchism is a socialist philosophy
the phrase "no gods, no masters" is leftist

>>383373698
>Why does the legion not want to use technology
Because the Legion was constructed as a meritocracy, not a technocracy. Wealth and technology are what caused the bombs to fall, and Caesar wants to avoid this degeneracy in his men.

>Why does Caesar and his legion hate women
Women had the same status in Rome as they do in the Legion. Their role is to nurture, to provide, and to breed. It's not hating women as much as it is a clear definition and seperation of tasks.

>Why does Caesar say he finally found his Carthage on the NCR?
Carthage was what unified a divided Rome. The NCR is what unified the Legion, by being a single huge target to focus on. On the surface, the Legion was united, but of course there were power struggles, that happens in a leader-based system: people will be fighting for leadership.

>>383374125
>anarchism is a socialist philosophy

AnCaps are anarchists.

>>383373698

>Why does the legion not want to use technology he was a follower of apocalypse he's well read on a lot of things more wastelanders aren't besides actual Rome was not technologically deprived at all.

it's probably the same reason as the Brotherhood collects all the tech to keep it away from others, he sees technology as the bane of humanity.

>Why does Caesar and his legion hate women so much did he get cucked or something?

no woman wants to hang around sweaty guys in sports gear, who only want to fuck and fight, hence women are a 2nd class citizen.

>Why does Caesar say he finally found his Carthage on the NCR? I get the comparison obviously but I mean more of like why does he sound as though he didn't know what the NCR was even though he was literally born there. I guess he left when he was 20 so maybe he didn't expect it to get as big as it was but surely if he kept going west he would have expected to meet them eventually.

he never met them, you could even argue that he even didn't know of their existence, since he was walking around collecting tribe after tribe for his army, and in a post-apocalyptic world there are very little means of communication

Fallout New Vegas was nice and all, but what was House's tax policy?

>>383374115
Many GOP libertarians are only libertarian when it comes to big business yet when it comes to social issues they tow the moral conservative line. /pol/tards will also claim to be libertarian and then in the next breath state the government should control who you mate with or what you can do to your body

>>383371672
I know i just cant get over their toxic maeculinity and misoginy its just.. UGGH

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>>383374178
>AnCaps are anarchists
>not an oxymoron

>>383374209
Fuck off, Martin, you overrated hack.

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>>383373823
>House was libertarian
nothing says "small government" like an authoritarian robot army

>>383371672
I have the opposite problem, I can only ever go with Legion or Yes Man.

>>383374230
Funny how you mention the GOP but dont even bring up the fucking Libetarian PARTY. Also your shit about /pol/ is judt a strawman and uninteresting, I don't use /pol/. You're a dishonest piece of shit and you unironically have no argument.

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@383374178
wtf on about
elaborate if you dare

reminder that ancraps think it's okay to sell your children

>>383374423
>>>/r/eddit

>>383374230
If you promote authoritarian policies, then maybe you aren't a libertarian? Wild notion right? Nice strawman about "/pol/tards" thought.

>>383374230
Nice strawman. Who are you even arguing with?

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>all of these Legionfags and Housefags
There is only one true option, and it's pic related

This thread is shit
post AnCap memes

>>383374117
What?

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>>383374598

>>383374550
>>383374505
>>383374404
oh, fuck off /pol/. Seriously. I'm going to enjoy the day when you nazi idiots are strung up by your necks as an example of what happens to neo-nazis.

>>383374560

"doooodeee i don't like people just gas them"

t. Elijah

>>383374230
>he thinks Rand Paul is an actual Libertarian
>a mindless rant about /pol/ that doesnt prove anything
I bet you get your news from John Oliver and Trevor Noah

>>383374257
>le you need state for capitalism
go back to leftypol and stay

>>383374560
>Dude, let's cover America with a flesh eating iron rusting fog. For science 'n shit man

>>383374645
wtf i don't find these funny now

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>>383374560

>mfw locking that fagola up inside the vault

>>383374707
>replaces authoritarianism via state with authoritarianism via money

>>383374671
Ah i see, it was just le epic b8 the whole time, you sure got me

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>>383374671

>>383374671
What kind of a single digit idiot do you have to to believe anarcho-capitalism somehow has anything to do with nazism.

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>>383374761
>anti authoritarianism is now authoritarianism
cooked my biscuits

>>383374761
>replaces authoritaianism via state with authoritarianism via mob lynching

>>383374761
What is that even mean you illiterate commie? Define authoritarianism to me, if you can, please.

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>>383374230
>>383374671

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>>383374761
>tfw you sign a contract voluntarily
>read all the terms and agree to them
>Help! Authoritarian capitalists are abusing me!

>>383374761
>he actually belives that a Socialst anarchist state wouldn't turn into just that.

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in AnCap society you can Tomahawk your neighbours backyard because the smoke from his barbecue party is cancirogenic and thus violates the NAP.

>>383374251
>He thinks wearing a skirt is masculine
It's time to come out of the closet

An-cap is children working 14 hours in a mine shaft. It's what we had on some level during the industrial revolution (obviously it wasn't completely laissez-faire).

An-cap is no wage standards, no worker rights, and no environmental standards. Yet an-caps reply to this by saying "if you don't like the job on offer, get a better one." It's completely delusional thinking that ignores location and assumes there is always going to be a "better option." An-caps are just as disgusting as bolsheviks.

>>383374691
>>383374716
Desperate times call for desperate measures. He did literally nothing wrong

>>383374645
DUDE BUILD YOUR OWN ROAD LMAO

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>>383374851
things that can hurt my feelings

>>383371163
>tfw no benis tube

>>383374946
Yeah but if you don't like the job on offer get a better one

>>383374906
>neighbours
leaf spotted. Wanna see some cool sight in my helicopter?

>>383374946
>what are worker unions
>what is collective bargaining
>what are books

>>383371163

How did Obsidian predict ISIS already in 2010 in form of the Legion?

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>>383374943
t. barbarian filth

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>>383374906
>in ancap society you can gut children alive for being near you because them being near you spreads their body heat into your personal space through heat diffusion violating the NAP

Really forces you to ponder, huh?

>>383375069
>Unions
>Collective bargaining

Shit that gets quickly broken up by Pinkertons.

>>383374906
You have to be insanely brainwashed to think that the state is the only thing that is keeping people from brutally murdering each other for ridicilous reasons

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Reminder that ancap is much closer to an anarchic society than ancom is.

>People think we have things like civil, worker, racial and children's rights because of big daddy government.

Um no sweeties these were things secured by the people for the people. In an Ancap society these things will still exist.

>>383375101
Nice dress HOMO

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>>383373235
>>383372740

The entire point of the legion is that it just provides a stable bedrock upon which future civilisations can be built, in the same way that Rome did for Western Europe

>>383375294
So? Do you think ancaps would support thugs? There are other ways to break strikes like hiring other people to work cheaper for instance.

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>>383375360
say that to our faces and not online motherfucker and see what happens

>>383374946
>Don't like a contract offered to you
>Don't sign it

That was hard

Society is suppressing me. If I got the power I would use it for good and enact an ancap society with my army

>>383371163
Damn you and your New Vegas threads.
Everytime I see one I want to replay it.

The hardest part of New Vegas isn't installing it and all the mods... the hardest part
Is letting go.

>>383375016
Getting a better job requires resources, which your employer isn't giving you.

Besides, there are never going to be enough "better jobs" for everyone. And I think you and I can agree we need people to perform manual labor or low skilled labor. I just think that we shouldn't shit on these people.

@383374472
chickenshit

>>383371163
Ave, true to Caesar! Death to the corpse ruler of Vegas, and death to the NCR!

>>383375484
Or what? You'd beat me with your shoddy equipment? Those shields would break from a rock thrown at them

>>383375491
>Implying people always have a choice.

I guess you're right. There is another choice: starve.

@383375516
army of what? lice?

>>383375642
Exactly. It's that easy

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>every single New Vegas thread
>everyone arguing left and right what is best for the Mojave, who could be the best leader etc

I guess no one ever roleplays a selfish, barely good, and uncaring guy?

Bruh, House provides the Courier with a fucking penthouse for him and all his friends.
He makes the Courier drown in caps.
He makes him his right hand.
All of this right in the middle of New Vegas. Protected by a massive robot army.

House is the boss, man. Be loyal to him and you get to live on paradise on earth. Fuck politics.

Go down and bully the casino owners around.
When you are bored, go back to the penthouse and make Cass deepthroat on your dick.
Take a couple of securitrons with you and hunt some fiends just outside the walls for fun.
Live the life nigga.

>>383375642
Nobody but you is responsible for your bodily needs.

>>383375763
except your parents.... until youre 18

>>383375948
Sure.

This relates to children working 14 hour shifts in mines how?

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>>383375743
>not roleplaying as so much of a dick that you dick over the guy who allows you to be a dick
wild card is the funniest way to play this game

help someone resolve their quest non-violently, then assassinate them

hold no legitimate positions or moral code besides "be contrary"

>>383375616
You don't even know how faggy us Legion fags can get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwpP8tO6DbA

>>383376456
oh i guess i didnt follow the post stream
i guess it doesnt apply those unfortunate souls

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Is he the only redpilled option?

>>383373208
>Kris Kristofferson
How did Obsidian manage to get such a big name in for such an inconsequential role?

>Keeps control over surrounding businesses
>Ancap

>>383371507
Avellone said he regretted how Saturday morning cartoon villain Ceasers were and wished he could have made them more attractive since they were the ones protecting the roads and merchants.

>>383375743
>trusting anyone
Recipe for disaster, you can't trust anyone but yourself, and even that is a questionable action.

>>383374136
I think you don't know what a technocracy is, it's basically the logical extreme of a meritocracy, it doesn't mean "lol let's worship science because SCIENCE FUCKING ROCKS xdd" unlike the name suggests

>>383376902
Now this is my kind of autism.

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>>383372893
>Make a shit civilization built around primitivism
>Force your people to rely on bullshit healing powder while you, hypocrite that you are, use advanced medical technology
>Your laws are so inconsistent and weak and your ideology so flimsy that your society is sure to collapse after your death
>"Hurr, it's designed to fail, stupid profligate"

Legionfags, everybody.

>>383371507
it's like they didn't want people siding with legion so they made them over-the-top bad

Just like how discipline is the path to enlightenment, so is fascism the natural evolution of the white race which will ultimately lead to Evolian Traditionalism. You can't deny this.

>>383374230
>All those replies

Libertariantards hate the truth.

>>383377935
ok you don't understand caesar and his legion and what he wants to do after winning the battle of the dam

>>383377935
nice strawmanning and memeing, but
>Force your people to rely on bullshit healing powder while you, hypocrite that you are, use advanced medical technology
is the most funny. Using an autodoc is not using chems.

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>>383375743
This. I loved siding with House and did it almost every time because being an enforer like Darth Vader is a hundred times cooler than siding with either of the other factions who discard you when you are no longer useful or trying to rule shit yourself.

>>383375763
Social contract, retard.

>>383378093
nice no argument, faggot. GOP libertarian is like saying ancom democrat. It doesn't make sense. The /pol/ strawman added nothing to an already shit argument.

>>383371163
wtf why did House preserve himself this way when flawless cryogenic freezing, flawless AI and identical never aging synths exist?
Really makes you think...

>>383375763
retard

>>383378186
>no option to romance mr house and teach him how 22rd century women act
>no option to make you a remote operated synth of himself to love you with and against his wishes call him daddy

>>383371163
Damn, that's a huge dick.

>>383371163
Trust me goy, er i mean guy. 1000 caps for key to controlling Vegas is best price you will get. To sweeten the deal i will reward you properly after i run out of suicide missions for you. What?! You want more? Reeeeeee!! Securitrons kill him! Shit it didn't work. I dindu nuffinz, i only wanted to help humanity and you ruined it. Ignore the fact that that i am insane oppressive dictator and without your help my plans were doomed to fail anyway.

Let's be real here:
>Legion
Edgy kids and people who (unsuccessfully) inject their beliefs and plans into the faction.
>NCR
Boring, "safe" option. New Vegas will likely to mirror the rest of the NCR in terms of corruption, bureaucracy, etc.
>House
Cool choice, but you're so stuck in the past and your ivory tower that you're seriously hindered.
>Indepedent
I'm a retard who's just pushing back the clock by twenty years. Also assumes that your courier is a 10/10 literal god and that anarchy isn't a thing (it is).

>>383377671
The fucked up thing is that lip service is given to them being the ones that are actually better organized as a protective force, with specific mention to roads and merchants. But if you follow the road immediately after Nelson, one of the first things you'll see the Legion do is assault a fucking caravan like a bunch of bandits. So what's the game trying to show you? In Nelson it showed you that they were brutal, but had ideas about honor. Immediately after that, they were portrayed as mere raiders.

The only way someone will even understand that they're one of the main factions in the game is because of the intro, it isn't made apparent through the gameplay. For all the player knows, they're just Great Khans tier.

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>>383379135
They only protect their own caravans, those caravans in Vegas supple and have contract with NCR, by attacking them they are weakening the NCR, many of them are NCR citizens too.

Why every political discussion here is the same 5 memes posted all over and over. Aren't you tired of baiting people if all you get in result is the same answer?

>>383379342
The problem is that you don't get to see any of that, and what you do see contradicts it.

>>383378295
Because Bethesda shat all over the lore in 4

>>383378536
>all these choices are stupid and you're retarded for making them

Autism.

>>383379580
I'M NOOTRUL

>>383379467
Blame Bethesda, they specifically tried to restrain Obsidian so they wouldn't get embarrassed, but they got embarrassed anyway with an unfinished game.

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This is the only faction worth siding with.

>>383375302
you're right, it doesn't.

people murder each other horribly for the dumbest reasons even with the state trying to stop them. you think it'd be better with nobody even trying to stop them?

>>383378536
Sargon fuck off

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>>383380501
>implying the state isn't the biggest murderer
Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>383380136
NOPE

NOOOOOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

>>383380695
Democratic states are useless murderers, non-democratic state have greater goals and murder are mostly justified, like in Caesar's case.

>>383380802
You know you want that stinger in your ass, anon.

>>383380839

>>383377671
At some point you have to stop talking about what the Legion could have been and just accept what the Legion is in game.

>>383380839
>murder is justified
bye

>>383380695
no, i just genuinely believe there must be some form of state, or else we end up in a fallout-type scenario, except without the bombs being even necessary.

i have VERY little faith in mankind.

>>383381027
If you were not so brainwashed by Christcuck morality, you would understand.

>>383380873
hell NO other anon, i'm allergic to wasps! i'd literally die.

>>383381158
Cazador-chan just wants her love aphrodisiac flowing through your body so you can make babies together!~

>>383371507
when do you even get to interact normally with the legion
i mean the razed city was a cool impression but after that legion is just troops on map

>>383371163

The ease of killing huge plot characters in this game is insane. I can walk right up to Caesar or Mr House and just kill them in 2 seconds.

Mr. House is one of the most rich/powerful men on the planet, he could have guards/robots that are actually tough and stop you from entering his chamber. Or maybe even some traps.

It's insane how easy New Vegas is gameplay wise.

>>383381092
The definition of murder is to kill with premeditation and no justification. So it's a contradiction in terms to say 'murder is justified'.

>>383371507
>that Hologram Vera Keyes in the top right
cute

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>>383381027
"i don't enjoy killing,but when done righteously,it's just a chore like any other"

>>383381081
Yeah, man, it's not like the world ever came close to that scenario in the last 100 years twenty-odd times because states were in a dick-measuring contest

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Reminder: Legion is the best choice

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>>383381457

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>>383381568

>>383381475

Legion COULD have been the best choice, but Obsdian are hacks.

I don't need their nagging and modern morality in a post-apocalyptic game.
Players need to choose for themselves in an RPG.

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>>383374943
>>383375101
>>383375360

>>383381415
No, Murder is unlawful killing, state killing are lawful or premeditated killing. you are right, murder is a wrong word to use, killing is a better word for it.

>>383371163
i've never gotten this far

>>383381457
As you later find out, he's more than a little bit delusional if he believes it when he says that. He really does enjoy violence. He's good at it too.

>>383378434
Loverslab can help you with that

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>>383381457
>>383381890
delete

he's a good boy

>>383374230
>every reply is just butthurt with no argument
Libertarians really are fucking idiots

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>>383381890
hey now,who doesn't enjoy a bit of the ol' ultra-violence once in a while?

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>>383382031
lol

>>383381858
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>plug Yes Man into Mr. House's computer
>QUEST FAILED
>QUEST FAILED
>QUEST FAILED
>QUEST FAILED
>QUEST FAILED
>QUEST FAILED

>>383382115
i played for 60 hours

>>383374404
>but dont even bring up the fucking Libetarian PARTY
Politics on /v/ is cancer but I laughed hard at this
>We're talking about the Tour De France, why are you talking about Lance Armstrong and not Oscar Pereiro!?

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>>383381754
The point of real choice is none of them are the best, and none are. Edge fags still have the biggest autism fits over Caesar and "should have been". Fucking cry about it more.

NCR is not the best choice, Neither is Caesar or House. All three have drawbacks and effects, which is the point.

Stop bitching about "mai morality in mai wasteland" when that was never the issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6HuWlDlZrw

You know there is a tvtropes page on political ideologies everyone can read

>>383382459
>TV
>TROPES
>on politics of all things
last thing I want is being lectured on politics by balding numale Joss Whedon fans

If you don't agree with the legion you don't belong here, redditor

>>383382583
This. I used to enjoy the site, but when they attacked my political faction they went too far

https://youtu.be/XFZOqsSdMGw?t=12m

>>383382836
acktckually it's ethics in google advertising

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>>383373698

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>>383373698
Part 2

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>>383382928
what the fuck is that model

>>383382583
you can find out for yourself with a simple click
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/PoliticalIdeologies

>>383383057
>>383383123
It's a shame he never made his own add-on like his jswayer mod to add the content he wanted to add to FNV

What is more humane, using the electric shock thing on House or shooting him in the head? The shock looks pretty painful.

>>383383349
The Fat-man duh

>>383383349
putting him back in his tube, good as new

>>383383349
killing caesar with graham's pistol

>>383379580
But it's true. None of the choices are good, but I'd probably pick NCR.

>>383383168
What's wrong with it?

>>383383504
You're supposed to whack Caesar before that so he doesn't become an hero

I shot the faggot just for fun.

>>383382350

>The point of real choice is none of them are the best

But the Legion is worse in every way possible and that is the problem.
I want the Legion to be better just for balance purposes between the factions, there is no point in ever joining them. If you want to evil you can just be Yes Man raider, it's much better.

>>383371672
I can't not use energy weapons. too many guns/bullet types going with conventional weapons.

>>383374136
In Rome inheritance was maternal so all the family funds were technically owned by the mother.

>>383383504
This.

I also confronted Benny so he would draw on me, disarmed him then picked up his gun and shot him in the head.
Satisfying.

>>383376902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oom96Dr_m2w

is this good?

>>383384378
That's pretty good alright

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>>383380136
Fucking Cazaniggers.

>>383384309
The machete fight is more honorable

>>383384958
Benny doesn't deserve a honourable death though.

Libertarianism is just neo-feudalism.

Clearly, when a state enforces rights and freedoms it is tyranny, so the ultimate act of freedom would be to give private entities the authority to limit other peoples' rights and freedoms.

>>383382836
Whats it like to be an SJW?

>>383382836
Me too. I can't visit a website that doesn't confirm to my world view 110%.

>>383371507
who is that long haired biker guy supposed to be? I assume a Khan since he has the logo on his arm but no Khan's looked like that

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>ITT Brainlets

>>383385280
>a state enforces rights and freedoms

>>383385492
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Chance

>>383385471
It's why I come to /vpol/ after all

>>383377671
That's sort of misrepresenting Sawyer's view on it. Sawyer always intended them to be an evil faction that no moral person would ever side with, but he made them Saturday cartoon villains by not showing what makes their kind of fascist totalitarianism attractive to some people so that it could have a logical base of support, and instead just made them rapists wearing football gear.

>>383385587
Yep, the concepts of freedom and fundamental rights are unnatural and entirely human inventions, and can only be maintained by human effort.

The only way human rights can be maintained is if they are inalienable, so nobody can deprive you of them. Which means there should be some entity enforcing those rights, otherwise nothing stops another entity from simply permanently depriving you of such rights.

Civilization wasn't created by "natural, invisible forces". It was created by men, individuals.
"Free market" is just a stand in word for "society", which is a nebulous, bullshit concept that means nothing.

>>383373483
Capitalists in general are subhumans.

>>383386347
so are communists t b h

I like how this game made an anarchist ending that was good. Granted, I think the Strip would go full ancap but it's worth it to liberate the area from an ancap mummy, neoliberals, and Roman fascist cosplayers and have a bunch of cool little communes like Freeside and what not.

>>383380136
>hmm what's that noise
>weird my screen is getting distorted and shit
>wait why is my healt-
GOD DAMNIT

>>383386429
>good guy talking
Don't you have a war in which to die for Israel?

>>383386579
>goy*
I'm too tired for this shit.

>>383386579
>capitalism isn't perfect
>therefore we must implement an even shittier ideological system

>>383386785
When I was younger and stupid I thought that communism was just about the economy. I'm sure there are lots of idiots like that. I didn't know about the collectivist ideological purity and how enforced equality of outcome lowered the standard of living for everyone.

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>>383386445
>Implying independence isn't just as bad
Corruption and flawed ideologies will come full circle again though.

>>383386785
>being this much of a brainlet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUzquEya6Lw
There's no system shittier than capitalism.

>>383386969
Nigger I was born in a communist country, I'd exchange that back for the shitfest that is now.

>>383387094
>unironic commie shilling here
you're a joke

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>>383387224
Your life's a joke, yet you're here.

>>383386969
A low standard of living for everyone is better than absolute shit standard of living for anyone who isn't at the top 1%

>>383387094
>(((Chomsky)))
lol

>I was born in a communist country
prove it fag

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>>383386762
yeah im tired too, night anon

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>>383387298
>lol
Oi vey!

>prove it fag
Хyли тeбe пpyфить нaдo? Live in Latvia.

>>383387280
here on the video games board, a capitalist product :)

I'm sure in your commie paradise, you'll enjoy breadlines over video games, though. maybe your hovel in commie block 11 will even have a stove to bake bread :o

>>383374230
replace government with companies and then you're correct

>>383387448
>a capitalist product :)
There's more than enough of freeware games, the shit are you on about? Quite a few of them are even /v/ classics. Just take Yume Nikki, for instance.
Also,
>buying games
O, the ironing.

>maybe your hovel in commie block 11 will even have a stove to bake bread :o
I still prefer home made bread to store bread, so not a problem there.

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>play new vegas
>always be goodie two shoes
>try to be evil
>end up just shooting everyone

>>383387448
I love the "Oh you buy things, you commie? Checkmate!" argument. It's so fucking stupid. It's like saying to a feudal laborer who wants something different than working on a farm while the local noble fucks his wife and he can't do anything about it, "Oh? But your tools and food are made in a feudal system, guess you can't complain, huh?"

>>383387297
That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this God-forsaken site. This further proves that communists aren't human.
>muh 1%
Yeah I'd rather live in a society where everyone is poor as shit except the few who're in control of the government. Kill yourself you piece of shit.

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>>383385537
Yes you are, cant even use the meme right

>>383387715
Yeah I too will enjoy nothing but a handful of 2d indie games. That is, if we're fortunate enough to have computers.

>O, the ironing.
>commie is poor and doesn't want to pay for things
And here we see inside the mind of a commie retard

>>383387447
>Russian
who'd thought
only Russians miss the Soviet union

>>383387848
>buy things
Who? Where? The faggot even admitted he doesn't buy games. He's a third world poorfag. What a joke.

>>383387861
You are either a spoiled rich piece of shit or literally a cuck. Kill yourself immediately.

>>383387297
The 1% vs 99% wealth disparity only seems to get worse when a country is communist.

>>383387861
Nah. I just want rich people to not exist and for everyone to live in a comfortable middle class life because there's no moral or logical reason to have a class of people who pathologically horde money and resources that could be better put to use elsewhere.

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>>383387889
>That is, if we're fortunate enough to have computers.
Had them back then, don't see what the problem would be now.

>>commie is poor and doesn't want to pay for things
>being this new

>>383387941
>be born in Soviet times
>know russian
How's that basic logic working out for you, you underage nigger?

how do you deal with the walking speed in this game? it's disgusting slow

>>383388127
Clean my toilet you poorfag commie retard

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>>383388017
the only cuck here is you for wanting a system that would hurt yourself more than it would help you

>>383387987
>buying things

Only time I'll ever buy shit is if it's from a small indie developer because they need the cash. Triple A stuff and popular shit like Undertale already have enough people tossing money at it.

>>383388059
Problem is we've never had true communism

>>383387094
You know there still is one communist country left, and it probably isn't a coincidence that it's the worst place on the planet.

>>383388289
We already established you're an entitled poorfag

>>383388282
But I don't want a capitalist system :^)

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>>383388243
Shouldn't you be dying for Israel right now, like the good goy that you are?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMzvgCLtCG8&feature=youtu.be

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Wow this thread went from 0 to /pol/ fast.

>>383388126
> just want rich people to not exist and for everyone to live in a comfortable middle class life
>commies are THIS delusional

>>383388368
yeah you want communism :^)
either you are a cuck or a junkie piece of trash with nothing to lose

>>383388342
If you mean Best Korea, then you're retarded for thinking they're communist. It's a natsoc country with some communist ideas implemented. They've always put natsoc first and upfront as their ideology, just not the same way as Hitler, for instance.

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>>383371163
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT FAGGOTS

>>383388126
>rich people hoard money
this is how i know you don't read books

>>383388127
>be born in Latvia
>instead of speaking the Latvian language, speak Russian instead
okay Ivan

>>383381890
>he doesnt enjoy his chores
What a fucking degenerate.

>>383388126
are you 9 lmao what kind of childish shit

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>>383388534

>"true" communism has never been tried

>>383387848
yeah that's just like capitalism you commie fuck

>>383388554
Kāda tev vispār starpība kāda valodā es runāju? Tāds idiots kā tu nesaprastu neko tā un tā.

Is this better, faggot? Does speaking english make a brit or a burger then?

>>383388397
Tell me, why should people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet be allowed to have billions upon billions of dollars instead of taking that money and using it to alleviate poverty, pay for housing, and more.

>>383388467
But you're the cuck. Capitalism takes everything from you on the behalf of un-democratically selected boards of directors in big corporations and gives nothing in return. All the things that are good for you (nationalized healthcare, public infrastructure, etc) are not capitalist.

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>>383388297
>i-tt's not real communism

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>>383388652
>"true" capitalism has never been tried

>>383388373
I'd rather not help commies like yourself

>>383388297

And we never will. In a glass case where human emotions and motivations don't exist, it looks attractive enough, but it inevitably goes to shit when exposed to reality.

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>>383371163
Good God House was such a fucking close-minded, egotistical, dick stroking faggot

>>383388670
>All the things that are good for you (nationalized healthcare, public infrastructure, etc) are not capitalist.
But they are. Capitalist systems allow for investments into those fields and a steady stream of income to ensure the longevity of such. Without capitalism, we wouldn't even be moving towards cleaner energies because the state would just kill dissenters.

Also Bill and Warren both created an initiative to invest billions back into communities but LMAO gotta stay uneducated huh

>>383388654
Oh, you're right. In a capitalist system the rich person makes it so your job goes away to Mexico and your public utilities become privatized so he can buy a new fleet of Lamborghinis and tells you, "Uh, but you own a phone, so I guess that means you love capitalism and can't complain."

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>>383388640
How does he scream with no head?

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>>383388756
>help commies
So then you're fighting for Saudis and Israel, against those evil Yemen commies, right?

>>383387094
Based Chomsky poster.

>>383388838
Charity is a bandaid, investments are not incentivized because most capitalists would rather consume, and lmfao at that shit about cleaner energies because places like the USA are currently vomiting money to keep coal mines active and to expand fracking because it keeps businessmen in power.

>>383388938
I'm fighting trash like yourself

>>383388876
Go read a book before you embarrass yourself further.

>>383388670
>Tell me, why should people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet be allowed to have billions upon billions of dollars instead of taking that money and using it to alleviate poverty, pay for housing, and more.
except the're still hosting charities to help communities
also you should start helping the communities first lol

also someone who advocates for bigger government has no right to call others "cucks", we've seen how "charitable" communism was in the past

>>383388671
>Muh memes.
>>383388772
They also said we'd never land men on the moon. The day will come when humanity is ready for communism. I probably wont live to see it tho

>>383388670
holy balls, im wasting my time

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>>383389040
You know neither basic history, nor basic politics. How are you supposed to "fight" me exactly?

>>383374125
>claim inheritence right over idea
>leftist anarchist

choose one

>>383374209

Does House respect the NAP?

>>383388297
Yeah, and the problem with that is that people are not brainwashed clones, so everyone can't just magically agree about how to do their part in maintaining society. The closest that a species with diversity of all kinds can get is a system where all dissent is forcefully removed because actual collectivism simply can't emerge on its own within a species where individuals can think on their own.

System Shock 2 has true communism. The Many are a hive-minded collective that all work together for the good of the collective. But that's just it. The Many are not human. Humans are individualistic and inherently incompatible with true collectivist ideologies.

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>>383389023
>Charity is bandaid

>>383389178
You're a commie. You're a dumb dying breed. It's a joke for you to call anyone else ignorant about history and politics.

>>383388297
lol

>>383389023
>either help people or we make you help them

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>there are unironic communists on /v/ right NOW

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>>383375518
Why, sir, it is really that easy. Just sing along with me!

>>383388379
>if you arent a communist you are pol
back to leftypol with you then

>>383371503
he isn't programmed to betray, and i think you can remove the part of his programming where he can give up your secrets to anyone who asks.

YES MAN IS BEST MAN

>>383388532
Yeah how could NK be communist it's isn't succesful, brain doesn't compute durrrrr

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>>383374732
>listening to his pleas for help as you walk away

>>383389084
You won't see it anyway cause you don't go outside

>>383386579
>capitalism means wars

12 year olds everyone

>>383385280
how do you become this stupid? like, how

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>>383389376
You've presented zero (0) arguments so far, all that you've shown is that you can only parrot same retarded shit over and over again. Also, whilst, I don't share the same views as most western leftists and "commies", I still have to point out that the world as a whole has become more socialist than ever and is increasingly moving into that direction. If you haven't noticed, capitalism can't sustain itself, it constantly fails, only survives for short periods of time through constant warmongering and parasiting off of other countries resources. See, for instance Libya. And even then, companies cannot hold onto workers anymore, because it's cheaper to replace them with machines, but a problem arises when a majority of former workers can't even afford any products that these companies make.

>>383389660
It really isn't communist. But even putting that aside, what's exactly wrong with NK besides the Kim dynesty itself? They're fully sustainable even in the harsh isolation that they are stuck in and can even make US faggots nervous.
A fairly neutral and good video, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykYRsmIQkyw

>>383371507
>they even included stealthsuit-chan
That's actually adorable.

>>383374671
Good luck with that when "muh ebin right wing natzeez" also apparently buy up all of the guns and ammo while their "opposition" ELARPs with airsoft guns.

>>383390021
Capitalism means war durrrrrrrrr

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>>383389850
>capitalism doesn't mean wars
12 year olds everyone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djwPqAJ_3GY

>>383374560
wasn't he doing all that shit because he knew about the tunneler threat? Obsidian built up the tunneler threat with the DLCs but we'll probably never see a payoff because they'll never make another fallout game

>>383390109
i can't do it, i can't argue with someone this brain dead

>>383390092
>capitalism doesn't mean war durrrrrrr
Go be a buttblasted 12 year old somewhere else. Just a pure coincidence, that people like Gaddafi get killed off when he wants to get rid of the dollar in exchange for gold, right?

>>383390231
Simply because you've got no argument.
Just take a long nice read at what the military industrial complex is, and not just in the US.

>>383374878
>Acquire state citizenship volentarily
>willingly live in a country while knowledgeable of it's laws
>Help! The state is abusing me!

>>383388754
the highest point of free market capitalism was the early 1900s, where standards of living for everyone skyrocketed.

true capitalism requires nothing. all you have to do is let people be people.

"true" communism has never worked in practice and is immoral and stupid in principle

>>383390021
You're too dumb to listen to any facts people post.
>the world as a whole has become more socialist than ever and is increasingly moving into that direction.
Yeah like China setting up factories in Africa right? Communism is dead because it's shit and always has failed.

>If you haven't noticed, capitalism can't sustain itself, it constantly fails
Oh damn, I forgot that your third world shithole has more wealth and a higher standard of living. I also forgot that the USSR never collapsed, and America did. It wasn't real communism though, you'll win next time, even though there will never be a next time since communism constantly fails.

>>383390339
>capitalism REEEEEEEEEEE
Get a job.

>>383373617
>>383373708
Didn't know ancaps actually exist. I thought they were just a /pol/ meme

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>>383390508
You sound like a retard

>>383390351
Are you pretending right now?

>>383390458

>a job
>not a career

I'm sure everyone working pointlessly like robots is your ideal but come on now

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>>383390109
>capitalism
>WW1
>WW2
>Crimean War

I'm onjly about 6 wars in holy fuck

>>383374645
>unrealistic

>>383390339
That's a product of states, not capitalism.

>>383390629
This is what millenials think working is.

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>>383390339
>you own that land
>i own this land
>okay
>"STOP KILLING PEOPLE"

>>383374878
trannies having their own flag separate to the gay flag says everything there is about them. I wonder how that revolt worked out

>>383390590
It is an equivalent argument.

>>383375302
Seriously, what's stopping me in an ancap meme "society"?

>>383390769
>>383390629
generation raised on fight club and office space

>>383390375
>the highest point of free market capitalism was the early 1900s
When a good portion of the world was still monarchic?

>true capitalism requires nothing.
"True" capitalism has never worked nor will it ever work. This has been discussed by a lot of high figure heads.

>>383390442
>You're too dumb to listen to any facts people post.
You're too dumb to present any facts.
>Yeah like China setting up factories in Africa right?
If you haven't noticed, for instance, socialist countries with communist parties in charge, like Norway are way above the line of standard of living, than, let's say, the same US.

>I also forgot that the USSR never collapsed, and America did. It wasn't real communism though, you'll win next time, even though there will never be a next time since communism constantly fails.
Do you know an inch of history? Do you know where majority of WWII was fought? Do you know how quickly USSR recovered, with both inside and outside threats after WWII? Do you know how much damage was done to USSR, as well as surrounding countries, post WWII? Do you know who "capitalized" on WWII?

>>383390458
>instead of having a proper counter argument I'll rather meme
Go back to school.

>>383390635
>>WW1
>>WW2
Fucking learn some history, you dumb nigger. WW1 was the testing grounds for capitalist sponsored propaganda.

>>383390679
If you haven't noticed, the corporations own majority of the state in countries like US.

>>383390889
I'm sorry, when did I willingly acquire citizenship again? When did I ever agreed to be stolen from or be forced in to slavery?

>>383390856
>I don't know a lick of history
Why even bother posting?

>>383390987
What's stopping you right now faggot? Go to a gun state and try that shit. The fact is that, if you aren't mentally ill most people don't hurt each other without reason

>>383391109
>>383391031
i can smell this dude's stink from here

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>>383391031
>WW1 was the testing grounds for capitalist sponsored propaganda.

Jesus Christ

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>>383391031

>>383391031
>When a good portion of the world was still monarchic?
when America allowed the market to work.
>"True" capitalism has never worked nor will it ever work. This has been discussed by a lot of high figure heads.
the funny thing about basic economics is that it works even if you don't believe it does.

>>383391031
Well it looks like you're just rambling about bullshit now. I'm sure your "quickly recovered" ex USSR shithole is a great country, though. Just as long as you don't mind living in a hovel and waiting in breadlines.

>>383391031
>20-odd year old picks up his first political book and now thinks he knows everything

every time mang

>>383391057
>when did I willingly acquire citizenship again?
Technically you were granted citizenship, but in almost every country in the world you are fully capable of not taking advantage of that.
>When did I ever agree to be stolen from or be forced in to slavery
Taxation is not theft. At least not from the individual. You are fully capable of not acquiring taxed employment. No money is ever directly taken from you.

There are parts of the world which are either in effective anarchy or lack a state. You are fully capable of moving there. It is not, in any way, slavery.