Steam Machines Flop

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>>383362789
>>383362789
>>383362789
>>383362789
Do not click on OP's link because there is a good chance that he is yet another shill trying to earn pennies on the dollar for further degrading the quality of this board.
http://archive.is/rj24P Archive of the article

Not a surprise. It's the worst aspects of a console and the worst aspects of a PC combined into a single device.

>>383362789
Ignoring this blatant redditspacing, Steam Machines failed because at the end of the day they are all just overpriced, underpowered prebuilts that don't even come with Windows pre-installed for free.

>>383362789
>Also who the fuck buys Steam Link?
Cause it was $15 and can stream your desktop.

The only criticism I have with these is that they're overpriced. Shouldn't have gone with alienware. Then more people might have bought them.

>>383363574
Any laptop you already owned could do the same.

>>383363836
I'd rather just pay $15 and have something the size of a deck of cards plugged in.

>>383362789
>out of touch with PC gamers
>Also who the fuck buys Steam Link? I have a $1.5k gaming pc
Indeed. PC "gamers" are the most pathetic "people" on this world.

>>383362978
This is why Windows will forever have us by the balls

>>383362789
Don't fall for the doom and gloom stories funded by microsoft.

SteamOS is a slow burn and constantly evolving. Games running on Linux are released every day.

>>383363140
I opened his link in 5 tabs :^)

>>383364453
steamos is a piece of shit that can't be even installed on your PC without formatting your disc
it should be just ubuntu with a gaming interface option

>>383362789
Steam links fine if you don't wanna keep moving your pc. I don't have anywhere good to put my pc in my living room and my pc is good enough to stream so it's not that big of a deal for me. It was only 50 bucks.

Valve grew quite bold with what it was doing back then. Pushing out VR, early access, the marketplace, SteamOS (and its accessories) all at once was probably too much for them.

People weren't even sure what they were getting with steam machines. They didn't know or didn't want to go through the hassle of installing a copy of windows as well to access the usual software. And the hardware was often composed of weird laptop GPUs with an excessive price tag. Valve's controller didn't help the idea either.

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>>383364471
OP here. Namaste and bless you

>>383364471
I'm replying to your post in 5 different tabs. Which one will I hit enter on? :^)

>>383363140
Doing God's work here anon.

>>383364453
At this point Steam and Microsoft are looking to use a similar development ideology.

Keep cramming as much shit on your original software as possible until the whole thing is an absolute fucking mess bloated with features.

>>383364861
>you can't install an operating system without formatting your disk in some way
wow...this is clearly limited to steamos....surely I can have a single disk with a single partition and install both windows 7 and 10 on it...really makes me think...

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>>383364959
Valve stumbled across the Steam idea by mistake. the same way a drunk ends at his home at 2am

NO ONE THOUGHT SELLING PC GAMES will make a profit sinve 93% of us are pirates

BUT DIGITAL KEKOLDERY IS A THING ; yes there are people who prefer to pay $60 for a game instead of getting it free

>>383365129
But Steam is genuinely a bad idea. I don't understand why anyone likes it, and I just pirate any game that's steamlocked.

>>383362789
They just turned it into the Xbox One X so it'll sell more (shhh they don't know)

>>383365203
>Steam is genuinely a bad idea

Cuckoldin is a bad idea too BUT there are men who push their wives to fuck men in front of them

93% of pc gamers pirate yes BUT the 7% buyers all ended up on steam making millions

>>383365203
>>383365129
>why are there only shitty early access games, microtransaction filled games, low effort indie trash, and a decreasing amount of single player games?
>who cares, better just pirate it all until the only games that are left are multiplayer only cash shop shit
Thanks, cancer.

>>383365096
oh OK
http://www.pcgamer.com/how-to-dual-boot-steamos-and-windows/
the installation is still kinda shit

>>383365203
Steam is good what if I pirate and get a virus

>>383362789
>console (its a console) with no exclusives
>a reason to own it
Pick one

>>383365471
The guy's response is going to be something along the lines of "You were stupid enough to download it"

>>383365389
>standard dual boot procedure as it has been for over 20 years

If you want a fool proof solution just install it on another physical hard drive and switch between them in bios at boot

What if Half Life 3 is a SteamOS / Linux exclusive?

>>383362789
The point of the steam machines, steamos and controller is not to solely make money. They were created during a period in which Microsoft seemed to be shunning the status quo of the pc market and heavily promoting the windows 10 marketplace.
Like a nation who has it's arms being built elsewhere they created their own subset of similar tools to send the message the they will fund and use alternatives if they are otherwise locked out of windows. It seems to have worked for the most part as Microsoft themselves are starting to pull further towards steam development especially with the onset of VR and failure of the new halo trilogy

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>>383366867
its only a matter of time before ms removes steam from windows, and theres nothing gaben can do about it

>>383368148
BLACKED

Its very possible to happen

>>383368148
Nigga, that's stupid. There's ideas that are so dumb that even the most arrogant of companies wouldn't try and pull for fear of backlash.

That's one of them.

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>>383362789
NO FUCK OFF VALVE CAN DO NO WRONG CONSUMERS JUST DONT KNOW WHATS BEST FOR THEM

>>383368520
they tried one with kinect, they will try again with this, but this time they ensure first that you cant refuse, you already cant install 7/8 on latest pcs, what will you do? jump to linux?

>>383368520
If M$ improved their store to a higher standard than Steam....we would have no problem

Clone that shit

>>383368789
and there would be nothing but halo and bone ports

in trying to control PC gaming they would literally kill it

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>>383368148

the problem with valve nowadays is their lack of support on almost everything they release, they will launch it and after that expect it to survive and give them money without them putting almost any effort, Valve's bussines now is creating systems that generate money instead of creating products.

>>383362789
>Valve
>out of touch
You are retarded, it is you who is out of touch. With Microshaft moving in to lock down their OS, Valve is trying to find the means to counter them. Investing in Linux gaming is the only way they can do anything at this point.

>>383363524
>don't even come with Windows pre-installed
Duh, that's the entire fucking point of the Steam machine.

>>383369453
You are a literal retard. Steam is just a shitty launcher you fucking retard. If they break Steam they also break any other software you retard.

>>383369496
He said out of touch with PC gamers, in my opinion they somewhat are and just don't give a fuck anyways, they only want to be in touch of money and appealing to more consumers as possible

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>>383369742
thats the point you retard

>>383369821
At this point it's not about simply appealing to their custoemrs or simply making money. Everyone knew Linux gaming was a joke even before Valve tried to release their Steam boxes and everyone with half a brain knew those Steam boxes would not get any decent spread among the PC gamers, yet Valve still did it? Why did they do it? Because it was not simply a matter of making money, but a matter of survival. If MS locks down W10, it's fucking over for ALL digital distribution platforms, including irrelevant trash like GoG or Ushit.

>>383369742
>any other software
like what? Even Photoshop has a UWP app.
What's stopping them from forcing windows 10 apps? They're doing it for DX12.

>>383370162
because bilions of older software doesnt have that uwp app

>>383362789
maybe should have advertised or something cos I honestly forgot about them

>Paying through the ass for a prebuilt PC that runs Linux
>Buying all your games from a DRM-laced digital storefront

>>383368148
>its only a matter of time before ms removes steam from windows
You're an idiot.

>>383370595
>calling steam DRM
Don't use it then or go back to your xbox, hahaha

>>383370717
The ironing here is that he probably doesn't understand are physical means of DRM and are 10x worse than any software DRM.

Valve just wants to turn PC gaming into console gaming. Steam machines, steam link and Steam controllers, so you can pretend you're playing a console. Also forced updates is the single biggest problem with Steam and basically goes against the entire idea of PC gaming. Fuck Valve.

>>383370765
>doesn't understand that consoles are physical means of DRM
Fixed.

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>overpriced bottom tier hardware
>cramped in absurdly small boxes half the size of any console

I'll never understand why people are so obsessed with having the smallest box possible, if I'm going to drop 400-500 bucks on something I want it to be heavy and sturdy.

>>383370793
>Valve just wants to turn PC gaming into console gaming.
>by using an open OS on their Steam amchines
You have no clue what you're even talking about, dumbfuck. What makes a console an actual console is the closed architecture. If you stuff some PC parts into a box in the shape of a console, it will just be a PC, which is exactly what Steam machines are.

>>383366557
Windows 10 has it's own version of Wine now that can run Linux programs.

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>>383365636
Not that guy but if you were stupid enough to download AND install it, you have to be quite the autist. Who the fuck gets viruses torrenting anymore? Me wife torrents movies and music and never gets a virus and she doesnt even know how to plug a display port into the back of the computer.

>>383370839
Room can be an issue.
If all my consoles were as big as the Xbox HUEG I'd need different furniture.

Meanwhile all the Nintendo systems from the last four gens together arent as big as one HUEG.

Size wise the 360 is my upper limit for a console.

>>383370717
I don't because I like to be able to sell/trade my games 2bh. Been over a year since I bought anything

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>>383371693
Problem is that if you're going to pack that much hardware in such a small box you're going to get overheating or what's almost as bad - a loud fan.

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Valve just likes to half ass things most of the time. They have a good idea (or just an idea), attempt to do it and lose motivation halfway through.
Look at Half Life, their flagship title. Look at how they ignore it. It's like if Nintendo stopped giving a shit about Mario games, despite Mario being the reason why they got into the business in the first place. Even if you can't come up with something for HL3, you could still make games in the universe for it, spinoffs and shit. Instead of doing shit all.
Look at the HTC Vive. It's an incredible piece of technology and Valve managed to put only 1 demo game on it after like 1 year now. They're apparently developing more, but like always they keep mum about details because why would we want people to be excited about our upcoming shit?

The biggest problem for them is their relationship with their customers. I hate how silent they are. I hate how they make stupid decisions without asking if the community even wants it, see the paid mods fiasco. That only served to give them bad PR and soured the relationship with the customers.

>>383372776
They're complacent. Everyone working there is on huge dollars. They can do whatever the fuck they want, the pressure of time to release doesn't apply to them because they print money with hats, skins and % of store sales. They may not be doing out of malevolence but they need a fire lit under their arses. A competitor needs to steal a huge percentage of their business and with the way we're going it doesn't look like that'll happen anytime soon.

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>>383373450
pretty much this. Valve can afford to being shitty and lazy because they have no competition. They make so much off steam that they don't need to make games or support their projects. They need some competition.

>>383362789
The idea of a steam machine is good. L O T S of people are ALWAYS like "hurr console is dumb you can build a way more powerful rig for cheap". But building a rig is hard man, harder then buying a box that just needs to be plugged in. So you have a box that needs to be plugged in except it's a PC.

What we instead got was overpriced underpowered pieces of shit. If you're dumb enough to buy one of those you're better off just buying a """gaming""" laptop like I did and have all the benefits except it runs windows and it's portable.

Also steam link is kinda stupid because there are always other workarounds. Like, how big is your tower? Where is it? Is it really that much of a hassle to unplug it and move it to another room, just buy some extra cables to hook it to the TV? Is your computer even that far away from the TV? Can you bluetooth a controller and just run a really long HDMI cable? All the other turbonerd PC hardcore dudes I know all have their computers in fairly close proximity to the main TV so it seems like a solution to a problem that a casual audience would have, for a product that is not for the casual video game audience.

>>383363892
>>383363892
For that price it sounds fine, but when I googled all the reviews say the steam link is $50. I'm guessing they dropped the price?

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>>383373565
You'd think they'd want to make a sequel if only to continue the story and work on a project a lot of them probably love. Printing money must be fun and all that, but you can't possibly be satisfied making TF2 hats and Dota skins for the rest of your life, can you?

The complete radio silence is what kills me though, the least Gabe could say is that they're working on it, instead of being a complete cunt and refusing to answer any questions in regards to EP3.

>>383363140
>there is a good chance that he is yet another shill trying to earn pennies
there's no referral code in the URL - he has to be an author for earning anything from that (and they'll earn more by writing another fresh article), you absolute cretin

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>>383373751
>Printing money must be fun and all that, but you can't possibly be satisfied making TF2 hats and Dota skins for the rest of your life, can you?
That's probably why a lot of high-profile people left Valve over the last few years. Like the writers for Half Life. How can you fuck up this bad? How can you hire these people and not do shit with them?
It's like Valve is a sports team, and they hired the best international players in the world just to bench them and never actually put them on the field.

>>383373751
>>383374006
Valve had some damn good writers. Half life's story was good, Portal and Portal 2 were tight as fuck in terms of comedy writing. The fucking updates for Tf2 were packed with funny shit and they had barely anything to work with.
The talent is certainly there but I think it's a lack of leadership due to the way they're structured (work on what you want) coupled with the laziness that occurs with having zero pressure to release.
Add on to that the realization that whatever they were to release for ep3 could not possibly live up to expectation. Maybe they'll release a flagship title for VR and blow us all away but I doubt it.

>>383362789
>prebuild PC
>linux distro
Who expected this to succeed again?

I'd actually like a new Steam machine. I currently have an old as fuck Zotac(?) one from back when they first mentioned it.
It was decent to see Steam trying to push Linux at least.

>>383369742
Their endgame is to phase out win32 and have every software go through their new much more controlled API.
There's already been sabotages by win10 towards steam in the past but every time they had to backpadle on it because people actually noticed what's up.

>>383368731
Yes, actually. I have no love for steam but fuck ms and their monopoly.

Valve is a horrible company, and it's nice people are finally seeing that and we don't have the Gabe cocksuckers anymore.

I use Steam, but they're incredibly incompetent and questionable when it comes to ethics.

>>383368148
>>383368148
LOL it will never happen and by the way, Steam IS in the windows store: https://www.microsoft.com/fr-fr/store/p/steam/9nblggh4x7gm
Dumb faggot

They accomplished everything they wanted just by announcing Steam Machines.

Games got ported to Linux, GPU manufacturers committed to Linux hardware acceleration drivers, and as a result we can tell Microsoft to take Windows 10 and shove it instead of having to quit gaming forever.

>>383375123
Microsoft just fused Xbox division with Windows division back in 2014 and Steam Machine was DOA.

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>>383368520
>There's ideas that are so dumb that even the most arrogant of companies wouldn't try and pull for fear of backlash.

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>>383375030
did you even read the description you retard? its a mobile app to control win32 stream. ms will never let real steam on the store

>>383368148
This sounds crazy but every other update Windows 10 fucking uninstalls Speccy and CCleaner

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>>383363140
>implying I don't block all ads, analytics and trackers by default

Idiot. Although there are probably people on /v/ who don't.

why don't valve just make games?
they were decent at that

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>>383362789
Yeah, they assume PCfags are just as retarded as consolekiddies.
It's hilarious.

>>383375839
They allowed or paid Valve to put their shit on Store
So? Steam will be available on Windows forever. Add to that they port some of their older games in there like https://www.neowin.net/news/microsofts-killer-instinct-is-on-its-way-to-steam later this year

Let me just buy a system dedicated to Steam that doesn't even play every fucking Steam game.
I wonder how many people bought it expecting that. I had to talk a friend out of it because he simply assumed it would play all Steam games like any sane person who doesn't keep up with every piece of gaming news would.

>>383371693
>Meanwhile all the Nintendo systems from the last four gens together arent as big as one HUEG.
Because they use phone and handheld hardware to run cartoon games for children.

>>383364283
>heh, I see you got a guy grabbing your balls..
>but have you tried letting this other dude squeeze your nuts?

Are you low IQ?
The reality is doesn't matter, as either company would have ended up the same.
If it wasn't windows it be linux, if it wasn't linux it would be windows.

Either way we're getting a grabbed by the balls, the logical end point is the same.
Do you want a red, or yellow stick shoved up your ass next? HINT: They are the same.

>>383373719
50 for how small the machine is with an I/O including Ethernet, 2USBs, and HDMI is still a good deal and way better than any laptop.

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>>383375997
Disable windows defender in group policies.

People bitch about win10 but windows is designed for absolute morons. Which means it has to look out for malware and literally not allow people to install anything that could fuck with the OS.

Wrestling back full control by throwing out half of win10 and tweaking it took me 2 days.

>>383376324
except win7 wont be here forever, max 10 years, probably not even that. if ms turns off win32 then what? its basically over for steam because will never allow other store to be on the their store

>>383362789
I did buy one when it was about 15 dollaridoos. Works fine.

>>383375997
What?
I have both an let my stuff update whenever an this has never happened.

Fix your broke ass shit or stop lying.

>>383376319
> being the first to accept always online DRM and pay for it
> not the kids in the playhouse

>>383376161
Because their primary way to make money off of those games, selling them through Steam to Windows users is going to be cut off in the future.

Why commit to a multi-year development cycle for Half-Life 3 when at the end of it Windows will only allow UWP software from the Windows Store to be run?

Gaben has said that HL3 development only makes sense once Linux use hits 3% of Steam users, though that was back when Steam was much smaller than it is now so its possible that even with ~1% of users that it would be profitable for them to release a primarily Linux game.

>>383376727
>when at the end of it Windows will only allow UWP software from the Windows Store to be run?
microsoft would get sued if they did that

>>383369453
>paranoid fantasies that never came true.png

>>383376615
Windows 7's EOL date is in 2020.

Microsoft already won't allow hardware vendors to update 7 or 8 to properly support their newest stuff.

I have that steam machine it's pretty good. 500 bucks might be a little much but it came with a 360 controller and wireless adapter. Great under the TV emulation machine can run Crysis 3 on medium pretty good.

>>383365129
Steam has friend lists, trading cards and automatic updates. Steam is basically Facebook.

>>383376765
/v/ is fucking retarded an these threads hurt to be in they sheer amount of lies an fake shit that gets posted is such garbage

Thank fucking god windows 7/8(probably lots of false flagging linux retards as well) users are a dying breed in PC gaming, never seen a more obnoxious retarded group of faggots in my entire life.

>>383368731
>what will you do? jump to linux?
Have the immensely lucrative and critically important enterprise market go totally apeshit and skin Microsoft alive for making their extremely expensive software unusable. They simply can't afford to abandon Win32/64 until the enterprise has moved to UWP, and good luck with that. At most, you'll see another consumer/pro split like Win9x/NT back in the day.

>>383365203
Where do all these stupid fucks come from? You know whats wrong with the world? Morons like you get to freely share their cancerous opinion with others.

>>383376974
there are still companies that use xp, most modern companies didnt even switch to 10 yet, 7 is new xp

>>383376538
>Are you low IQ?
>either company
Anon...

>>383376765
Wouldn't really mean much, that's been one of Microsoft's favorite ways to destroy competitors.

Remember when Netscape went after Microsoft for bundling Internet Explorer and totally disregarding web standards in order to split the internet to force their shit?
A decade later Microsoft got a slap on the wrist from the EU, a strongly worded warning to never do that again, and a requirement that they offer a browser choice screen on install.
No requirement that they cease development of Trident. No requirement that they adhere to web standards and stop their proprietary shit.

Netscape broke itself with legal fees and had to disband. The only reason why Mozilla is around today is that Netscape had the foresight to open source their product so it could continue on even after their death. This has been a common trend, Microsoft always gets a competitor that's been crippled or hollowed out till just Lawyers are left, and a company who used to matter with just lawyers left, who now have relationships with Microsoft lawyers after years of legal battles can be a very dangerous thing (look up SCO).

So here we are today, no other relevant browser is available in the Windows Store, and Windows 10 S won't allow you to have a default browser other than Internet Explorer (AKA Edge), possibly won't allow a browser with a rendering engine other than Trident, and won't allow you to use a search engine other than Bing. Shit that not even ChromeOS does.

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>>383373751
Valve had several lengthy interviews a few months ago but it basically boiled down to "we're working on VR shit because we consider it the future." Gabe was even there for at least one of them. Check Valve News Network's channel if you want to watch them.

>>383376615
>except win7 wont be here forever, max 10 years, probably not even that.
Obviously, things need to be innovated. You won't be stuck with 7 forever

>>383376765
>>when at the end of it Windows will only allow UWP software from the Windows Store to be run?
>microsoft would get sued if they did that
For what, exactly? Yes, you could sue anyone for anything, but you can't force a company to keep on offering a specific product or type of product in their store if they don't want to. If you're some company that needs compatibility with old applications for a legit reason, there are special versions of Windows you can get for just that. The Netscape case was more complicated than just "You all get IE for free!" if that's what's on your mind.

>>383377419
yeah, just like steam wont be on windows forever

>>383374883

Source?

>>383365203
I pirate since I start gaming. Got no attachment whatsoever both to plastic discs and digital bytes. I have 424 games on steam, around 300 of that might be humble bundle but you got the idea.
Sometimes I feel like spending my money because I want to support the industry. Crazy, I know.
>inb4 wire it directly to the dev
>inb4 they don't deserve money

>>383377419
Right, Wine is pretty close to supporting D3D11 as well as it already supports D3D9, which is better than Windows 10's own compatibility layer.

Wine just needs to rewrite their default D3D->OpenGL wrapper on Vulkan where it can be much faster like the D3D->Gallium wrapper available for AMD hardware which manages full speed performance.

Once that happens the Win32 game library will be available on any open platform that supports standard APIs.

>one of the greatest advantages of using pcs is the capability of choosing your own parts according to your needs and budget
>marketing a gaming pc, so Windows would be a better choice
> LETS DO NEITHER LOL
I am more of a pc fag and also use ubuntu in a daily basis but hell if it weren't some bad decisions out here. They could only have won with heavy emphasis in low prices

>>383377536
Remember when Microsoft dropped DOS support?

We're facing the same situation today. They want to drop an outdated legacy product to reduce their legacy burden, and push developers towards their new stuff and a much more tightly managed environment.

Short term it will be chaos, long term Wine will become like DOSbox and nobody will care.

>>383378074
wine uwp edition when?

>>383376584
so a raspberry pi but more expensive, less features and locked down?

>>383376538
>linux
>company
That's not how it works anon.

> I have a $1.5k gaming pc

But 300 bucks for a couple of older or new consoles you have interest in is too much? This always bothered me, you have people who happily goy out $600+ every year to Nvidya but somehow getting an old 360 for 40 bucks is unthinkable.

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>>383376538
Anon, you might be retarded.

>>383376538
Retard

>>383378074
This is different because UWP forces all software vendors to use the Microsoft walled garden. I'm sure the Office team and some consumer software vendors don't mind, but I don't think Autodesk and other vendors of ultra expensive enterprise software really like Microsoft grabbing a several thousand dollar cut for each copy sold.

Also DOS support was never really dropped, even Win10 still has NTVDM in its 32 bit editions.

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>windows 10

>>383378587
>But 300 bucks for a couple of older or new consoles you have interest in is too much?

i have hobbies besides video games, that arent just poorfag shit like hiking

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>>383379228
>I spend all my Mcdonalds revenue on legos

By the way hiking is god tier hobby,you should give it a shot someday. Don't worry it won't cut on your lego/fleshlight hobby allowance.

>>383378242
It will probably need to be a different project. I'm not sure how much overlap there is, and honestly the wine project management kind of sucks and forces Mac-centric decisions on the community to the detriment of everyone else.

>>383379062
Those specialist high end vendors will either work some kind of deal out with Microsoft, or they'll finally wake up to the fact that they need to manage the whole stack for their software and release it as full package on top of a custom BSD or Linux system.

>>383376595
Do you have the OS under monitor at all? Im curious to know if you have something checking to see if packets are being sent to M$

>>383379952
i didnt say hiking was bad i said it was cheap

and i buy music/audio hardware and jam, senpai

>>383381079
some people do, see>>383379137

>>383377279
Shit like this is why I will never use Windows. I haven't used it since 7 because it was the last Windows OS where I felt I was in control. I cringe when I have to use 8 or 10.

>>383378587
Yes, it is. I already have a bulky black box for playing video games at home, I don't need several more to play a handful of worthwhile exclusives and collect dust the other 99.9% of the time. It's just as much a waste of space issue as it is a waste of money issue.

It bothers me far more that people goy over hundreds of dollars for a bunch of redundant hardware instead of just borrowing a console from a friend. Literally everyone owns one nowadays, even people who barely play games, so there is no excuse as to why you can't find a friend who wont mind you using theirs for a week.

Pirate the Enterprise version. Been doing that since win7 ultimate. It just works.

Win32 isn't going away, you can disable anything MS makes money from and you can vastly limit all the telemetry shit. Honestly I'm surprised most gamers don't do this.

Win10 home or even pro is like Chrome without an ad blocker.

>>383383627
Doesn't enterprise have several features missing that pro has? For all versions of windows?

>>383369453
>Tim Sweeney, co-founder of Epic Games

You mean the same Epic Games that sold out to Microsoft last gen and said that PC gamers were entitled thieves? The same Epic Games that, once bought by the Chinese, started to sing a whole nother song and dance and how they suddenly love PC? And they're concerned about Steam, when they have ZERO games on Steam and instead their own shitty clone?

>>383381772
I was asking him specifically. I know that some do, but i was wondering if he actually has any metrics for disabling the botnet for himself

>>383376538
fucking shit, anon. i think there is no hope for you.

>>383363140
Doing God's work thanks anon keep it up don't let faggots tell you otherwise.

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>>383373664
Valve seems alright with the steam machine not taking off yet and I don't believe it was supposed to. With the way Windows is posturing to copy Apple and force users to comply with exceedingly evil business practices Linux is looking more and more favorable. In the inevitable MS/Windows implosion if a company like Valve isn't ready to make that transition to Linux it would spell doom. The current steam machines were likely meant as a first iteration to be improved later as a user friendly, modular, and easily marketable hardware device. I'm all for switching to Linus already since Microsoft is cutting support for anything not Windows 10. Package managers have come a long fucking way functioning better than windows installers in most instances. You can see how easy it will be for an improved modular steam machine to start eating up the market once Windows starts stiffing users. Already big companies like Blizzard and Bethesda are choosing Vulkan over DirectX.

Microsoft is one step away from being in its death throes and the writing's on the wall for anybody who's paying attention.

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>>383387195
>the only reason PC even gets games is squarely because of Microsoft/Windows
>barely any games get non-Windows versions, most are Win exclusive
>somehow, the most fragile game market market will SURVIVE a Windows to Apple/Linux transition
>somehow, publishers who prioritize CONSOLES will actually give a shit about PC changing

No. This will only kill PC gaming for good.

Apple was the last real competition Microsoft has in gaming, and MS buying Bungie finished them off. Linux has always been shit for gaming, companies like id only ported their games because they were OpenGL already, and Linux autists were good at setting up game servers. But setting up a game server is so easy an idiot can do it now.

I wish Atari and Commodore were still in the computer business.

>>383376538
somebady pls give this man
a GUN

>>383369565
To have no games meme os?

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>>383388187
>I wish Atari [...] still in the computer business.

The Ataribox is going to use off the shelf computer hardware, so that might be a reality.

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IT'S NOT FAIR BROS

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>>383362789
I bought a Steam Link during the sale. It works well. A direct HDMI and USB connection works better, but it does a good job of bringing a smooth gaming experience to the TV.

Steam Machines and Steam OS on the other hand were a mistake. No-one could be assed to port their library to Steam OS, and the machines themselves were bad value propositions. The idea behind Steam Machines was to bring PC gaming to console players, and what did we see for the first batch of Steam machines? A dozen different configurations, many of which were very expensive compared to a console. It was an experiment that was flawed in its premise, because Valve wanted to make Steam games more accessible whereas all of their hardware partners were targeting the enthusiast PC user. The software support wasn't there, the hardware was all over the place, and there was no marketing. It was a recipe for disaster. And the worst part? The original Steam Machine chassis that Valve was always showing off was never even released, so there was no established market standard for what a Steam Machine was supposed to be.

Still haven't tried the steam controller but I think the Steam Link works fine. If Valve wants to do hardware I think the Steam Link is where their future lies. What would really help make the Steam Link an easier sell would be more multi-media features, like watching Netflix and Youtube from Steam's big picture mode, setting up a video library of videos and music on your HDD, etc. The Steam Link could be a very compelling set top box if you could do all that through Big Screen Mode.

>>383366867
>They were created during a period in which Microsoft seemed to be shunning the status quo of the pc market and heavily promoting the windows 10 marketplace
its's actually the opposite

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>>383369453
>>383374883
>>383376727
>>383377279

'Microsoft will lock everything down and kill Steam' is the dumbest meme on this board

>Microsofts main business is enterprise / corporate
>go and tell them that none of their programs work anymore unless they make a UWP version
>they have zero reason to do this other than 'Microsoft thinks it's a good idea'
>the relative openness of Windows is basically the single last thing that stops loads of corporations from just switching to Apple

>>383365053
It was the second one.

itt people are mad because Steam is the father of PC gaming and killed consoles

>>383373719
I got one for 12 bongbux, it's fine for streaming my main pc to the tv with no hassle. Good for couch co-op and watching the animoos

>>383377483
No

>>383377674
Most people will keep using Windows on desktop

>>383362789
I think the problem with Steam machines was that there were too many options and little branding. Give normies 3 options, low, mid and high end and give them flashy names that all manufacturers have to use, damn even color code that shit.

>>383391208
Pretty much this.
Present a PC as a console vs whatever the hell they did.

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>>383378513

>He fell for the Raspberry Pi meme.