He was right, you know.

Marche is the best FF villain ever.

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>>383333771
>Is actually, literally talking to a sentient being that has its own thoughts and opinions
>Destroying the world fucking kills her
>"YOU'RE NOT REAL BECAUSE I SAY SO AND THAT'S WHY ITS OKAY TO KILL YOU, SO LET ME KILL YOU!"


Marche is actually fucking retarded.

>>383334089
That's what is crazy about this game. There are several moments towards the end which (if I'm remembering correctly) explicitly state that Ivalice is actual world. But Marche doesn't give fuck and kills MEWT'S MOM TO DESTROY THE WORLD.

No he wasn't

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>spend years loving the FFTA OST
>consider sakimoto favourite square composer because of it
>recently find out that all the best themes were done by ayako saso, she did all the good battle themes while he just did the filler music

>>383333771
You can be right and still be a cunt who needs to step the fuck back.

>>383333771
>Entire functioning world of your fantasy appear where you are happy.
>It's real in every sense of the word. Real sentient beings are born into this world and live their entire real lives in this world.
>Absolutely nobody is inconvenienced even mildly by the fact that this world exists.
"A world where he isn't sad??? I don't feel like he should be happy."
-destroys a the world-

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>>383334089
>her

Not only that, Mewt's own fucking mother admitted it was all fake and not real despite what it seemed.

>>383334859
Except for the people the cripple didn't like, who got fucked completely.

>Defending a tyrannical despot that turns people into monsters to have them killed over and over again
>Ignoring that the Grimoire's Ivalice was unstable and being destroyed anyway
/v/ sure is underage.

>>383334951
The game does a really poor job of actually demonstrating that the world is fake though. What does that even mean? People live and die and fight and have feelings in the fake world too, there just isn't enough in that world that ever really suggests to the player "staying here is bad".

How does Marche know that the "real" world is actually real?

>>383335407
It's almost like it's not actually that deep or detailed

>>383335236
Wasn't it also slowly killing everybody?
Been awhile since I've played so I don't remember for sure

>>383335781
Maybe in the Japanese script? In the English version Marche's motives basically amount to "it's escapism it's not healthy fuck you we're going home"

>>383335236
>>Ignoring that the Grimoire's Ivalice was unstable and being destroyed anyway

Where was this stated? Is this one of those retarded bits that people spout with absolutely zero sources, just like how the world is supposedly eating peoples' souls or some shit that was never stated? (And look what popped up while I was typing this >>383335781 )

>>383335236

Marche doesn't mention any of that though.

Is this just a bad translation? Or did they seriously think this kids cartoon tier moral was appropriate?
It reminds me of all of those awful books that were state approved for education which basically had the protagonist find a fantasy world but they always were his childhood imagination/illusions, fuck those gave me the shits back then.

>>383334951
The problem is how underplayed that part was as a result of clumsy writing. It should have emphasized on the world was not actually real and harming its denizens through more than a villain's monologue, but it didn't. It's difficult to sympathize with Marche because he doesn't actually have that much ground to stand on other than him being the protag and being right as a result of this.

I think in FFTA2 the writers just gave up and said "yeah, this is a real world this time so you're not going to destroy it, just find a way home".

>>383333771
>Fantasy world is the same as entering your happy place

This isn't Bridge to Terabithia. Ivalice was real to an extent.

>>383336050
>and harming its denizens through more than a villain's monologue

Unless you're referring to the three bullies, no, the world was not harming anyone. It's never once stated by the queen/Li-Grim or anyone else. It's never stated that the world is killing everyone or anything like that. Every time you guys bring this up in these threads, I ask for a source and I never get a response.

>>383335781
Sorta. Mewt's wish forced most humans in St. Ivalice to turn into monsters and other humanoids.

I don't know why people keep quoting Ivalice as unsustainable though. It wasn't until Marche started destroying the crystals that everything started going to shit.

>>383334089

>it seems real so it must be real

literally animal "logic".

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>>383334574
oh no...

>>383335781
>>383335882
>>383335895

It's been suggested there was some kind of soul sucking or something, but I've looked through both scripts and there's no mention that. I mean, there are the jagds, but the big conflict is, from beginning to end, Marche wanting to go back to the home he came from and to keep his friends from running away from their problems.

The Japanese script IS a bit more explicit after the first boss fight, when it explains that if Marche destroys the crystals, the "other world" will appear (ENG has "another world"). It's a little change, but the implication is greater that it's the original world.

Still precious little information for Marche to act on; he doesn't exactly have a guarantee that things will go back to the way he knew them.

And the world is "real" insofar as it is tangible with lives happening, but it is "false" in that it is not the exact Ivalice of XII's time (as happens in FFTA2), it is a changing of reality from the power of the grimoire.

>>383338268
Then it mean there no soul sucking shit going on. Stop spreading this rumor.

>>383334089
Lol her plan is to kill everyone in the grimoire nigga you stupid

>>383336683

I don't get it either. I don't understand where the whole "world is killing everyone" thing is coming from or why people keep spouting it. And no one can ever seem to provide a source for it.

>>383338268
>It's been suggested there was some kind of soul sucking or something, but I've looked through both scripts and there's no mention that.

Then no, there's nothing suggesting that from your own words.

>>383334394
>If I'm remembering correctly
Lol no you're not. It's all in the grimoire using the souls of people from St. Ivalice.

>>383338519
Suggested by other people on /v/ and the like, not by the game itself, is what I'm saying.

>>383338449

Except that's not her plan at all? Her entire purpose was fulfilling wishes, she says that herself.

>>383338574
>Lol no you're not. It's all in the grimoire using the souls of people from St. Ivalice.

Where is your source for this? Because it's never stated in game that this is the case. Look at >>383338268

>>383338659

Ah, gotcha.

>>383336561
>>383336050
I never actually beat the game, can someone post the villain monologue where she admits it's all fake?

>>383334089

No joke, it does seem like he'd eventually end up as a school shooter or something.

>I don't get it! The voices said that all I had to do was shoot a few of these imaginary kids and that'd be enough to crash the Matrix and send me back to the real world- why isn't anything happening?

>>383338853
Play the goddamn game. She tells you she's killing everyone at the beginning of her fight. How the fuck do people keep forgetting this?

Would you leave this world for a fantasy one knowing it's escapism /v/?

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>>383333771
How do you think they did the tiles for FFTA? Like are each of the blocks one tile including the sides and top with extra stuff like the trees being objects or decals painted over the tiles? Or are the tiles' tops and sides independent?

>>383339043
Why else do you think I own a gun?

>>383339038

Anon I've played this game like a million times, how about you go back and play it? At most she says the world is fake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE849SPLkc8&t=

>>383339038
Remedi: This world is illusion. You can hold it in your hand and still be
holding nothing. You... have accepted this?

b t f o
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>>383333771
honestly he's 100% right, as much as it hurts to say. it goes down to the point you realize all video games do not produce actual substance to your personality. they are like candy and if you eat too much candy you turn into the fat kid with no teeth.

Regardless of whether the world was tangible or not, Mewt's fantasy was harming otherwise innocent people just because he was dissatisfied with his own life. It needed to be undone

>>383333771
Too bad the second game shatters that idea, Marche was wrong on all fronts about the world

>>383334859
>>It's real in every sense of the word. Real sentient beings are born into this world and live their entire real lives in this world.
NPCs literally say they're fake marionettes feeding into his delusion.

>>383341284
2nd game takes place in a different Ivalice I think, the Ivalice in FFTA is an imitation of the real thing modified to appeal to Mewt.

>>383341534
The only character who says this is Babus and he only mentions it because he's paraphrasing the main character and saying it's absurd because he's served the prince for 13 years.

>>383334089
>her

>>383341718

I feel like half of the people in these threads haven't even played the game. The stuff they spout is just so ridiculous.

>>383333771
Go fuck yourself Marche. I don't play videogames to be scolded on escapism.
Guess what Marche? I'm a real person and your just a shitty computer simulation. Who's laughing now bitch?

>>383341991
I have good news

and I have bad news.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis

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FFTA2 >>> FFTA > FFT
Purely based on mechanics.
FFTA2 hit the sweet spot. FFT mechanics suck by modern standards. FFTA had the worst bullshit with the jail system and the placing lands and your loot depending on them, and all the RNG shit.

>>383342785
FFT has great mechanics, the game just doesn't really make you use them in order to win. There's some pretty good ROM hacks that show what you can do in the system. For raw gameplay value of the base games I think I'd put FFTA2>FFT=FFTA though.

>>383342785
>>383342994

FFTA2 is slow as shit, so, no.

>>383342785

And to think we're never getting another one because Tactics S was unsurprisingly liquid diarrhea.

Maybe if XII sells well we can go back to Ivalice like Squeenix says about all the worlds they create.

Rip Gria

>>383342426
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
I knew and feared that someone would post something like this. Oh well, guess I better start scolding thin air that it's escapism to play the earth simulator game.
And that it's in the players best interest to have me win the next publishers clearing house.

I'm not even memeing when I say he did nothing wrong.

Setting aside all the malicious problems with the storybook Ivalice, there's literally nothing wrong with escapism, especially in such a thorough form as a virtual universe. There's no point in living as an abused cripple for thirty years until you die in obscurity and are forgotten. Everything people do is to alleviate their suffering in the world or forget it if that isn't possible.

>>383343176
>wanting a new game from Square Enix in 2017

but why

>>383342785
Yeah I fucking loved that game, haven't gotten around to FFT yet so I hope I'm not as disappointed as you were.
Who knows though, if they made another entry it'd probably as ugly 3d graphics.
>>383343409
I agree.
Our society values concepts like escaping your past by moving to a new town/city and starting a new life but somehow it's not ok here since the world you're going to is magical.

>>383342994
Strong disagree. The mechanics fucking sucked.
Too many RNG mechanics. Too much shit like "lol 50% chance to Stone your characters, but it lands EVERY SINGLE TIME, unless YOU try to use it, then it obeys the 50% hit chance".

Fuck that. The map and mission and job systems were all better in later games. Once they ditched the RNG evade and balanced the buffs/debuffs a bit everything was golden.

>>383343020
I wouldn't call it slow. It's just long. Takes forever to beat the game. I count that as a good thing.

You can go 20-30 hours without unlocking all of the classes.

At hour 40 you might be on the final Heritor quest and finally finish Adelle's story.

At hour 60 or 80 you might be getting the last Blue Mage abilities on your Paladin/Blue Mage tank.

100 hours in, you're probably finishing up all the Cinquelur shit and running out of shit to do, finally.

I loved all of that. There was so much lore in those missions and so much shit to craft and unlock that it felt good to never run out of things to do.

If you rush, iirc, you can beat the game in 8-12 hours if you do few or no sidequests. The speed clear records are apparently around 4 hours.

>>383343681
>Yeah I fucking loved that game, haven't gotten around to FFT yet so I hope I'm not as disappointed as you were.
FFT was great back in the day, but it doesn't hold up anymore.
Decent story. Typical of SRPGs of its day like Tactics Ogre. Gameplay's pretty meh, imo, though.

>>383336561
That's the thing, though. Remedi even says it's not hurting anyone, and Marche even accepts that but still disagrees with it.

>>383343836
>Takes forever to beat the game

It takes forever to do any little thing. Every action takes 400 years to complete. It's slow, and it's ugly.

>>383343917

Oh I'm not arguing over whether Marche was right or not. I'm arguing over the idiotic notion that the world was killing everyone despite nothing of that nature was ever mentioned once in game.

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>>383333771
>le want to go back to poverty and getting raped by his father in a daily basis

you know he wanted to go back for the daddy dick

>>383343898
they sure went out there way to give him a nice ass.

>>383344103
I'm the anon that posted the (you) image. I agree with you--this stupid thing is just people taking something said on /v/ as gospel.

Someone pulled up the Japanese version a long time ago and nowhere was it said. The dialogue was nearly 1:1.

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>>383343943

TA2 bored me to tears and i loved TA

>>383344447
same here. I really liked TA a lot, and looked forward to TA2 but holy FUCK is it a slog. Gave up immediately, nobody has time for that shit

>>383342785
I just think A2 is overall a better game than Advance, the story is simpler not like its this overly pretentious story that takes itself way too seriously.

>>383344625
It hurts...

Never played FFTA, but isn't Marche the MC? If so, how is he also the villain?

>>383344886
just a little?

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>some guy decides to transform everyone in town's life into some new random human or humanoid animal with whole new lifes
>all of this without even asking them if they wanted to be transformed into a lizardman or a zombie

>the guy who turned all back into normal is the villain

>>383344946
He's the villain because people here think taking a whole town into a fantasy world is okay as long as they can fuck the viera pussy.

>>383345120
>We will never FUCKING EVER get another tactics
A lot.

>>383345246
>not bangaa pussy

>>383345467
Don't want one if Matsuno isn't directing

>>383345525
Right, should've said only disgusting furfags/scalefags thinks Marche was the villain.

>>383343409
There's also literally nothing wrong with Marche saying fuck your imaginary world, I don't want to be here and I'm gonna turn everything the way it was

>>383334859
But remember, the bully kids in the beginning of the game get turned into monsters.
So every time the group fights monsters, its like they're killing real people. So the only people that get to use Ivalice as wish fulfillment are Marshe's friends

>>383345525
>not Nu mou pussy

>>383344617
>admits they didn't even give the game a chance to pick up
>still badmouth it endlessly over and over in thread
Grow up.

>>383344946
He has a difference of opinion about living in the fake world he and his schoolmates are involuntarily sucked into. Instead of submitting and taking the world at face value he continually asserts that it is a mirage.
As far as I can tell people call him a villain because they wanted the game to end with the characters living out their fantasy of escaping a harsh reality instead of returning and making the best of it, which the characters do.
A few resist his efforts to get them back where they came from, but mostly they end up agreeing with him after they discuss the matter and even those that don't admit that his point of view has weight behind it.
I think the reason he gets so much shit around here is because lots of people on /v/ don't like their lives and would rather run away than work to improve them, and Marche is the exact opposite of that.

>>383345581
I don't care at this rate, i just want a new tactics.
>tfw ffxiv did a tactics teaser of the alexander raid for april fools

My heart.

>>383344873

I love FFTA and A2 as well. I just had a few complaints, which are mostly opinion based.

Gria and Seeq felt absolutely pointless. Like two of their combined job list were even worthwhile and those were still outclassed by other races.

They didn't port over the two best combat themes from TA (Undefeated Heart and Unavoidable Destiny).

I absolutely HATED the new MP system in that you started at 0 MP. Yeah, the increased MP regen helped, but it was still super obnoxious, especially for classes like Illusionists who already have really high MP costs.

I didn't particularly care for the inclusion of the Green Mage (mainly the way it was incorporated, which was stealing or using spells from other jobs). If it wasn't mostly stuff covered by other jobs, which brought other useful stuff to the table, it might feel worth it. Leap is nice though.

I was also extremely rustled that Tricksters had better M.Atk. growths than Bishops. Bishop was my favorite job and it was already subpar compared to other jobs, now it gets outclassed in the one area that it was superior in for its race.

>>383345525

I think you mean Bangaa dick.

>>383345663

Honestly, I wonder if the game devs named the zombies/vampires after the three bullies specifically to indicate that those were the actual bullies, or to just represent those bullies. We don't have hard evidence that it's actually them.

>>383346398
Pink hair girl even point this out when they're vampire

I wonder how many people here actually know of whether the world inside the book counts as real or not, and whehter the world will continue to exist if the main characters leave are both topics brought up in the game

>>383335730
He doesn't
If the real world could be warped so easily then it didn't have any value in the first place.

>>383346202
>natural flight without using items is useless
>mirror item and traps are useless

I DO wish their other classes had been better, but you still can't say that a brawler that can fly over the enemy team or up cliffs to smash squishies with a giant sword is useless. I'd chalk it up to them being relatively new. If they ever made another game they could build more on these classes.

I loved the MP system because it made mana regen matter and let mana abilities be more powerful because you couldn't just spam a bunch of them from the start of the game. The 0 start system also opened up mana potions/canoneers/etc. You can stick your Illusionist/Seer in the back corner of the map and pot them up on turn 1 and start spamming map-wide damage on the enemy team and teleporting around.

You're spot on about the Green Mage, though. I always wished the Green Mage had less RNG and more potency and focused as a combo class. Oil these enemies, then nuke them with a black mage or red mage for more damage than normal. Instead, the effects of Green Magic were rarely worth losing a turn on. A Red Mage/Green Mage casting Oil + Fire usually wasn't as good as casting Fire + Fire.

>>383346202
>Gria and Seeq felt absolutely pointless.
Maybe Seeq, Gria were pretty good. At least Gria Hunters, and Ravagers were top tier. Raptors were at least better than Soldiers, Warriors and Fencers. By the time you can recruit them you're probably past using Soldier types, but Hunter and Ravager are definitely too good to pass up.

>>383346520
The world in the first game was explicitly shown to be transformed from the old world though

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>>383345937
>Squenix supposedly teases something involving Ivalice
>It's another fucking FFXIV raid

I would literally throw money at them if the game itself was based in Ivalice

>>383346398
They may not be a direct one to one transformation of those bullies, since those monsters definitely die but the bullies are still around in the epilogue, but perhaps Marche thinks its bad that his friends are fantasizing about killing people

what if a dude born in the fantasy world went around murdering world leaders to bring back the fantasy world because that's his real world

>>383346701
Lmao who decides that, if Marche wants to go back it's fully within his rights to do whatever he can to make it happen
If Ivalice can be destroyed so easily by one fucking grade schooler, what """value""" could it possibly have

So who here abuse Air Render and Backdrift like crazy?

>>383346828
Gria have innate flight, and can use Ribbons without wasting a skill slot. The only class that seems useless is Geomancer, even then it gives you access to Geomancy. So now you can Seventh Heaven + Sneak Attack or Sidewinder for ridiculous damage. Use Battle Cry and not get debuffed because Ribbon for even more.

>>383346498

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_dbxKQ-A3Q

She points out the similarity of what the vampires were doing to what the bullies were doing. To me, it feels more symbolic than it actually being them.

>>383346828
>>383346934

I mean to be fair, there aren't a lot of cases where you NEED a flier. I'm not saying flying is useless, but that same effect can be imitated by a pair of boots. Also spells bypass height. And like I said, this is just my opinion. The only Gria/Seeq job I ever had any interest in to start with was the Geomancer, and it was kind of terrible, sadly.

>>383347048
I don't think anyone really died in Ivalice outside of jagds
It's been a while since I last played it but wasn't something said about how monsters too eventually resurrect

>>383346952
But is the transformed world worth less then the regular world? The sequel shows that things work out pretty well anyway, as the grimiore gets opened again and it seems that Ivalice continues through its own history even if Marche, Mewt, and co. aren't around, so its more than just a transformed real world. But Marche didn't know that.

>>383347664
But it still means they're symbolically killing representations of people they know

>>383347380
It wasn't 'just' one
He was only able to succeed in the long run because he got Cid on his side, though
If Cid hadn't used his Judgemaster Law to seal Llednar's most powerful attack Marche would've been a smear on royal carpet

>>383347647
>NEED a flier.
>imitated by a pair of boots.
Most maps you don't, but its basically like having that same pair of boots without using an accessory slot. Also no fall damage, unlike if you're using boots.

>>383341862
I can't tell if you're agreeing with the person you quoted or not.

>>383347054
It would be acceptable ONLY if our world leaders had transformed everyone in fantasy world into humans with new minds and new lives here. Just like Queen Remedi did.
Anyway weak analogy m8, none of our world leaders can do what Remedi could.

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>>383333771
Mache is a libcuck which means he is a hypocrite and libcucks throughout history have ruined anything.

I mean, in the beginning of the game Mache saves Mewt from the fag bullies that put stones in the snowballs. What Marche should have done is teach Mewt to put a bomb in the snowball next time because bullies and other evil beings understand nothing but strength, violence, and fear. Evil must not be normalize and when you see evil you must purge it.

Marche wants you to tolerate evil. To tolerate other evil creatures such as Cid. Cid had no business having kids and as such ended up as failure of a father and became a lazy ass drunkard. It falls upon the virtuous to purge evil like Cid for they have given up all rights to being a human the minute he failed as a father and committed his sin.

In the FFT world evil is not tolerated. Evil is treated exactly like it should. Something to be purged, looked at with contempt, to be disgusted, and in the end the honor and duty of purging evil.

>>383347772
>transformed world worth less then the regular world
No. My point is that the old world was just as viable and valuable, so it comes down to what the characters want. Marche made his choice and made it happen
Who cares about all the "lives" lost, to him they weren't as important as all the old world lives lost
Just how to Mewt the old world and all the lives those people might have cherished, their memories etc didn't matter if he didn't have have it so hard anymore

>>383345246
Actually he turned the town into a nation. And most of the residents have no real world analogues. In fact, it seems likely that only the main cast (all of whom prefer the new world) and MAYBE the bullies are present. The rest are lives created by the world, which as far as he knows will cease to exist if they ever leave.

Characters in the game beg him to not leave just so he won't risk genociding an entire world just so he can go back to having indoor plumbing.

>>383348165

I'm agreeing with that anon, unless I'm misunderstanding them. People spouting bullcrap that wasn't even in the game like it's fact is aggravating.

>>383347772
I think that might be because it's a completely different book in A2 that teleports the reader to the real Ivalice, rather than creating an illusion of it.

>>383348497
>What Marche should have done is teach Mewt to put a bomb in the snowball
This is so cringey, the whole post now that I read it.

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I'd be fine being turned into a Gria

>>383348604
>In fact, it seems likely that only the main cast (all of whom prefer the new world) and MAYBE the bullies are present. The rest are lives created by the world, which as far as he knows will cease to exist if they ever leave.

Anon it literally shows some regular people being turned into Ivalice people.

>>383348604
We saw random townsfolk turn into bangaa and shit in the beginning

>>383333771
Why is escapism bad?

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>>383348669
What are you a cuck?

>>383348852
Yes, but in post game they're all still there apparently. Also, no other characters ever, in even a slight way, mention any memories of before. With all of the quest text for 300 missions, you would think they would have included at least one allusion to someone recognising a discrepancy in their memory.

I think that's just more a visual example of "there was a person here, now there's a weird monster species here".

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>>383349101
Templar was a mediocre class, outclassed by girls with wings and most of their armor missing.

>the postgame route where marche just stays with his clan, competes in tourneys, and fucks up some redwing criminals
>the scene where shara teases ritz for liking marche
based.

also, if there was a world where my little brother who was in a wheelchair (re)gained the ability to walk, i would not only not fuck that world up, i would actively protect it unless he told me he wanted to go back. seriously, what the fuck marche? damn son.

>>383348497
>>383349101
>In the FFT world evil is not tolerated. Evil is treated exactly like it should
It's like you didn't even played the game m8, Judges were corrupt as they would accept money to not supervise certain zones, the goverment was corrupt and the leader Queen Remedi was evil as fuck, as she would make the lives of everyone in Ivalice more miserable only to please Mewt to the point were populace has to come up with anti-laws cards to cope with the situation.
Is this what you call honor you retarded shitposter?

>>383349380
>That scene where Marche convinces his little brother that "actually, I had it worse because Mom never gave me any attention because she was dealing with your being crippled so fuck you we're going home"

>>383349621
Our guy

>>383349206
>Also, no other characters ever, in even a slight way, mention any memories of before.

It literally never shows Marche talking to anyone that's not directly related to the plot or some quick banter at the start of a side mission if you included Marche, not even his own clan members, so that's an assumption on your part. However given that, I agree that it would've been nice to have some reference to it. Honestly I feel like it's both the people in real Ivalice were turned into people as per the cutscene and fake Ivalice people were sprung into existence since we gotta populate an entire country now.

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>>383349368
You're missing the point.

>>383349398
Yes it is honor, because they were purging evil. From your post, you're just another fag who tolerates evil. The same kind that allowed the kikes to get into control and destroy civilizations and the culture and heritage of the strong White race.

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How long did it took you to figure out that Babus was really Mewt's bear?

>>383349782
Is this a parody post? I can't tell anymore.

>>383349863
Seems more like a falseflag, my bad on responding to him thinking he was serious.

>>383342426
There's two problems with this theory (and Marche):

1. It's impossible to prove or debunk. It can always be justified. You MUST accept some part by nature of even hearing about it. It's one of those arguments of "I'm right because I say I am!"

2. It inherently accepts "dimensions." Which is, to say, time is real and is a state of already existing. Past has happened, present is happening, future will happen. In only one way. The past cannot change, the present is fulfilling the path set in front of it, the future will occur in exactly the way its supposed to and cannot ever deviate. All points in time are set. Whatever has happened, happened and whatever will happen can never, ever be changed. It is occurring right now, in all states.

It's just philosophy. I am as right by saying "this is stupid" as he is saying "this is true" and unless we can agree, neither can be wrong.

I was always trash at this game, only got as far as like the second race gemstone thingy.
What's the easy mode to beat this game?

>>383336050
>clumsy writing
/v/ is still talking about the writing 15 years on. The protagonist is totally unique in that nobody can agree whether he's good or evil. That's the opposite of clumsy writing.

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>>383349368
Templar are super cute, though.

I like how ffta threads reach more than a hundred post while no one ever talks about the story on ffta2.

>>383350119
The game's on easy mode by default pretty much but I remember the Morpher class being super awesome and Marche as a Paladin/Hunter kicking all sorts of ass.

Ffta is essentially a test to see if you adhere to master or slave mentality
If you see Marche exerting himself to shape the world to his will, even influence others to the point where they submit to his worldview as "evil", you've already been corrupted by the jews abd might as well get circumcised right away

>>383350119
Keep playing and recruit a bunch of level 1 characters. The level scaling naturally makes the game a joke on its own.

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>>383349863
>>383349927
Law and order is always a serious matter and a good thing(Unless the law leans to the left then it is a bad thing). That is why the Nazi's are still loved even after they lost because the virtuous know that Hitler was right and behold everything Hitler said is turning out to be true.

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The thing that really makes it dark are Marche's Companions near the end.

He's pretty open about wanting to destroy the world and pic related is totally up for it.

>>383350119
Are you serious? This game is super easy, you could literally beat any team in mid-game using one character.

>>383345829
Well there's also the fact that Marche somehow gets an entire clan to follow him in the destruction of their world and existence. That part really doesn't make sense.

>>383350501
He apparently remembers Marche in FFTA2 so my headcanon is that the grimoire versions of the characters ended up fusing with the "real" Ivalice versions of themselves.

>>383350564
I mean they did survive but none of them for sure knew that going in.

Montblanc and all your nameless followers were totally fine being part of an illegal guild on top of the countries most wanted list with the goal of destroying the world.

>want to learn french
>decide to play FFTA en francaise
what am I in for, /v/?

>>383350707
I just assumed they thought Marche was a bit of a loonie but they stick around since the pay is good and the clan is powerful.

>>383350521
Same for end-game

I mean my entire team was broken at that point but Marche with the teleporting shoes, dual wielding, and a bunch of reactive/defensive fighter skills killed everything.

>>383350130
>15 years on.
Man, time sure fly by. Man, I miss playing this in high school.

>>383350797
FFTA in french

>>383350096
You're basically appealing to the problem of induction.
Which, if you knew any philosophy, would know is a horse shit dead end. It's a thought-terminating cliche to avoid talking about the actual premises of the argument.

We notice that you're not actually responding to the argument's premises, justifications, or conclusions. Instead you're attacking the other person and the philosophical framework in general.

You're doing this:
>>383350096
>It's one of those arguments of "I'm right because I say I am!"

>>383350797
You should you be learning Arabic since that is the French language now.

>>383350837
Yeah, the game is easily broken. What I don't get is all the people complaining about MUH LAW when you A: Move around in the map or B: Switch to a different subjob C:Use Anti Law. Seriously, how the fuck do people fail to take advantage of this?

>>383348910
Forcing your fantasy on everyone else makes you a fuck

>>383350962
This
French is now an Algerian language

>>383350119

Turn Marche into a Paladin with White Mage secondary and Ninja's double sword. Or else just go full Hunter and pick up a Paladin with double sword.

Viera Summoner/Red Mage to double cast bigass AoEs for both damage and healing (with the best rez in the game).

Viera Elementalist/Red Mage is really fun for spamming debuffs across the board.

Viera Assassin is stupid easy.

Nu Mou Sage/whatever. Probably White Mage, Time Mage, or Alchemist for best results.

Illusionists are great at full enemy team damage.

Bangaa jobs, sans Bishop, are all pretty good. Bishop is good mainly if you want a caster Bangaa, plus they get Cura, Barrier, and Holy, but generally other casters outclass them pretty hard (which is sad because Bishops are my favorite job).

Blue Mages can be pretty broken healers, but getting White Wind and Angel Whisper can bit a giant pain in the ass.

Moogle Jugglers can break the game IIRC. But I stopped using Moogles forever ago because I hate those little bastards so much in this game.

Archers have terrible stat growths but they can learn Concentrate.
Black Mages are probably better as secondaries but they can learn Geomancy.
Each race has a job that learns Shieldbearer and Reflex, both of which are great skills.
Heavily consider if Bonecrusher or Strike Back are worth it, as Counter works on nearly every offensive ability unlike those two.

Before you start the very first job, drop your archer, she's the least valuable member of the starting team. Complete the first mission with five units. That way, you unlock the quests to recruit new members, race recruited depends on the month, and you can recruit advanced jobs this way.

Also, just try getting good, anon. The game's piss easy.

>>383350846
How's the translation, though? /v/ already complains about English.

>>383350962
الله أكبر

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>>383351131
You've done it anon, you have cracked the conspiracy.

Uprising now!

>>383351008
I agree
The laws were such a minor inconvenience at worst

>>383351101
>Before you start the very first job, drop your archer, she's
>she

>>383350962
Top kek.

>>383351135
محمد الملاعين الماعز

>>383351101
I loved my Bangaa Templar

I gave him the double damage counterattack ability and just walked him straight to the enemy

>>383335236
They literally say this before the final battle, its killing Mewt and feeding off him.

/v/ is retarded and likes to make shit up though so thats why we always have big Marche threads. Less common than they used to be.

>>383335959

Do you live in Russia?

>>383351338

???

The starting archer is a Viera.

>>383351527
Oh wait, I thought you mean human archer

>>383351584
You don't start with a human archer.

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>>383350912
You're mostly right, but I have to tell you the man is flawed because I cannot say his theory is wrong, as there is no possibility of proof to justify myself. Neither is there any to justify him. Like you said, it's a dead-end. It exists because he created it and can always be a possibility.

This is the same basis as this philosophy. Literally. I honestly wrote that post using his own language, in terms he (and others) would accept. He very clearly states that there must only be three possibilities in the existence of a simulated life, those three possibilities are the ones he describes, and it can only be those three possibilities. He then justifies himself be ascribing to it being "logical." And he's right, it's very logical.

However, this theory immediately denounces the existence of anything "illogical" which is untrue. Pointing out an illogical fact must be eradicated for the theory to continue on without hypocrisy. Which is always possible with enough reduction. It is both true to live out this fantasy as it is true to reject the fantasy; one must accept there is a fantasy as reality. The distinction is nearly semantic.

In my own personal interpretation, he believes in God. Or, at least, Creator beings and a stationary uni/multiverse that doesn't flow, but branches at best.

>>383351308
/v/ mods are left leaning. They'll delete all the Gamergate threads but they won't touch anything that has to do with lgbt, anti white like Farcry 5 and the new Wolfenstein games, and Anita.

>>383337250
Prove that this world is real and doesn't just seem real.

>>383333771
I always play Marche as an asshole when I play FFTA

>make all the other kids chuck snowballs at Mewt so he gets knocked out before the tutorial ends
>kill Montblanc in a Jagd the first chance I get

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>>383351938
Yeah, you go get 'em anon.

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>>383333771
>This world is illusion. You can hold it in your hand and still be holding nothing

The keyword here is ILLUSION

The game fucking tells you it's fake. So fuck your fantasy, go deal with the real world

>>383350223
What retard saw anything out of FFTA2's story? It was more fun than FFTA's, but immeasurably shallower and Luso was just an adventurer. The game is overall superior on every level (except for nerfing Thieves), but the story was the last thing worthy of discussion.

>tfw tried to play FFTA after years of other SRPGs
>the animations make it feel like a fucking slog
Not even OG FFT was this slow what the fuck

>>383351479
>its killing Mewt and feeding off him.
No it not. She just fulfilling her duty as a wish maker. If Mewt was 100 percent of going home, she would let him, but Mewt still have some mommy issue and it took killing his surrogate mother to make him go home.

>>383352092
The real world is kinda pointless when the Illusory world can exist perpetually based on hopes, wishes, and dreams alone. It taxes nobody and sacrifices very few. It's not as if the overwhelming majority of the world was suffering in Ivalice, only a few assholes were turned into monsters, and the majority of people were just humes or other humanoids living day to day lives with their clans. Even better that they had Judge protection, so that they wouldn't just die while on missions. Clanmates can actually go to war with one another and there would be zero casualties.

how do i get into this game law system is very anti-fun

>>383333771
Marche was always right. Fuck Mewt. Mewling little cunt. I hated that little faggot even when I was a kid.

I'm not surprised 4chan dropkicks think Marche is wrong though.

>>383333771
A FUCKING ASSHOLE!

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>>383352156
>Mfw revisiting FFTA after playing Disgaea

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>>383351448

>>383352285
>game law system is very anti-fun
Read
>>383351008

>>383352251

I love how every time people like you and me point out how what these people keep saying (about the world killing people) is factually incorrect they never respond.

>>383352092
Is there art of her in her battle outfit? I remember it being a pain the ass to find the full artwork used for the portraits in FFTA.

>>383351950
We define "real" by our experience of reality
This world is by definition real

>>383351668
Maybe so.
There are tests that can be done to check if his theory is right.
It's main weakness is, imo, in its cyclical nature.
It biases the third option to being correct because one ends in extinction and the other doesn't apply to non-human life "above" us.

If you pick option 1, we're monkeys digging in the mud and we will probably never achieve much. Just die out over time.

If you pick option 2, it only applies to us, and not anything that could simulate us. It assumes the ancestor approach.

Option 3 is left as the "most likely" of 3 extremely unlikely outcomes that are nonetheless presented as necessary and exclusive. He basically constructed a question that has only one palatable answer, and that answer fits the creator's desires quite nicely. What a coincidence.

>>383352406
Yeah, pretty much.
I feel like a piece of shit for saying this but holy shit did Disgaea spoil me when it came to at least game speed.

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>>383352061
>>383352001
The mod only deleted my post that dealt with the Jews and why no one would want to live in the real world since it is controlled by the Jews.

Mod doesn't want the populace to be redpilled now.

>>383352536
>Science is sorcery, magic is real, my perception means my truth is the only truth and there is only the burden of proof on others to point out when I'm wrong!
Hallucinations are reality for the insane. They only become hallucinations when others say they are. And they could be telling the truth, or they could be lying.

So which do you accept? That assumes both the possibility of "true" and "lie" are even presented to you.

>>383352736
To be honest, there isn't an SRPG in existence which moves as fluidly or as fucking FAST as Disgaea does. For a game that's emphasis is on grinding autistically to level 9999 then reincarnating 20 times so that your nigga has maximum stat growths and 12-digit stats across the board, it is EXTREMELY quick to give you what you need. As much as I adore FFT(A[2]), Tactics Ogre, Shining Force, etc., they aren't built with this in mind. Having a battle last longer than 4 minutes is agonizing after having spent literally hundreds or thousands of hours in the Item World.

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>>383352834
It's okay anon. We believe you. You be you.

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>>383352834
>Come into a thread about a video game on the video game board
>Discussing your paranoid hatred of Hebrews and how they ruin the world
>Surprised that mods are deleting your posts when they are not only off-topic in this thread, AND on this board, but are immediately recognizable as inflammatory

>>383352265
Go away Mewt, you're gonna face your problems like a man and like it. And turning people into monsters to be killed on loop is super fucked up

>>383352672
I am always, always skeptical of people who preach their own, "new," truth in philosophy whenever it does as you say
> fits the creator's desires quite nicely.
How unsurprising the creator created something he likes.

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>>383352001
Thanks for reminding me that NIS will never fucking port Soul Nomad, let alone localize Coven and/or Hundred Knight 2
Fuck

Say one day you wake up to find that the world you've been living in for your entire life is fake,a made up dream in the minds of every living person. Your "real" body is in the "real" world basically comatose but never dying unless you die in the "fake" world. If everything you've ever experienced in your entire life has been fake from the very start, does it really make it fake? What real, tangible difference is there in a world that is an illusion but still feels one hundred percent real and the "real" world? How can Marche even be certain that his world is "real" and not another dream?

>>383353238
>Greatest SRPG soundtrack in history
>Literally nobody but PS2-era weebs will be able to experience it fresh again
Reality's for fags anyways.
https://youtu.be/Pj9ULCJH0X8

>>383352871
Idk, man
Stfu b4 i bash ur head in, egghead

>>383353393
That's the arranged version but honestly it's not very different from the in-game version.
That entire OST is some good fuckin shit.
I'm even more mad that Gig is not in Disgaea 5's DLC, and Revya got axed from D4 onward

>>383353373
It requires the existence of higher beings.

Life is either a test or pointless. There is little else life can be. And it can never be answered.

>>383353373
Like Zhuangzi, we're asking the real questions here

>>383352265

Apathy is death.

>>383353775
Cessation of existence is death

Apathy is still totally good

>>383353114
It dealt with why people would want to live in the true world over the reality world. Marche is a pawn for the jews since that means he and his friends can continue to exploit and use them to be the good goys that will slave away for the rest of their lives.

Compared to the FFTA world where you're going around purging evil and bringing upon a glorious world. You know, the same thing Hitler was trying to do, but the bad guys won WWII.

>>383353496
Ha, I mean, I could tell you that you're only hallucinating the clock in your room telling you the time. Even if that clock is hyper accurate and you're never wrong when telling me the time, if enough people agree with me and say "you're hallucinating," are we correct? Are we wrong? What if only one person agrees with me, or you? Is that all the justification that either reality needs? Majority vote, it's a world of "might = right."

In the end, who cares? Okay, you're hallucinating that clock. Now what? Stop reading the time from it? Start taking medications, therapy, pack your things and move to a new country? You seemed to have been right, it being a hallucination or not...It's always the action taken after the though that means anything.

In this game, Marche was stronger than everyone else. His power made him right. If he failed, so what? Would he still be right, or would he be wrong? Philosophy!

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>>383353975
No, no it isn't.

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>>383353983

>>383354167
If you're still alive to be apathetic, you're still alive

>>383352871
Autism:The Post

>>383353393
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLI5HXROzCI

>>383354279
if you have aids and cancer and are gonna die in 2 days, you're still alive too

>>383333771
Only in the localization, because in the original the world was literally draining the souls of anyone living in it.

>>383358597
this meme again
is the original not japanese cause that shit ain't in the japanese script

>>383357408
Well, for 2 days

>>383334574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMDgvVoIny0

honestly most of my favoritie ff music and art is from ffta, the guide book was fan fucking tastic

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>>383352092
such a good artstyle especially with weapons

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>>383333771

>>383334089
To be fair everyone in Ivalice would have died from having their life force drained by the crystals in order to maintain that but Marche didn't find that out until the final battle against Le Grim

>>383360942
>never stated in any dialogue in any script
guess I didn't buy the /v/ hack though

>Mewt
>Moot

S T E E P E S T
T
E
E
P
E
S
T

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Who found the right answer to this problem Frederick or Marche?

>>383345246
>he wouldn't sacrifice an entire city for some tasty Viera pussy

Bunny girls are the best

>>383346985
You ready to hate them forever?

They ditched the idea because Dragon Waifus would make them more money from degenerates

>>383333771

>Even the games try to tell Nintendo players that complete indulgence in fantasy is unhealthy

>>383362835

my dreams are my happiest moments
If i could i would sleep until i die

>FFT is a vast, deep game based around medieval intrigue, manipulation of thrones and church corruption of holy texts and legends

>FFTA is the neverending story set in Ivalice

I never forgave them for this

>>383363027

because you never worked on bettering your life. Just hiding from it. You fooled yourself into thinking you could live on the wrong side of a theatre curtain.

No sympathy, brah?

>>383363114
Your ignorance is showing. how about you talk about things you actually know?

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>>383353986

>>383363270

Don't post shit like >>383363027 publicly

if you aren't inviting public comment. Moron.

>>383363270

You can't say that to me. I have depression. Apologise right now.

>>383363385
Why don't you take care of your own life instead of trying to say how i should live my life?

>>383363428
I'm sorry, anon. Don't be a dick next time.

>>383363603

Why would you post public whining comments, and then ineffectually try to shame people for replying to them in a manner you don't like. The world ain't your videogame, son.

>>383363848
I was whining there, really?
I was talking about a subject pertaining to the thread. I was trying to say that if was mewt i would want to stay there.

>>383364142

And like Mewt, you had someone tell it like it is.

Then you cried "only god can judge me!" or "you don't know me" or some shit.

>>383364232
Cool. Have a great life with friends that love you and a beautiful wife.

>>383364423

>expecting pity from /v/

do you think white knights will swoop in and stop the bad man opinionating at you?

>>383364541
Is that what i was doing?
I'm so sorry, anon. I didn't realize that i was doing that.
Enjoy your day, anon.

cool thread, op

>>383359925
>FFTA guide book
My fucking negro. That thing was incredible.

>>383360884
Goddamn. Marche a cold hearted bastard.

>Woah, the personified coalition of everyone's greatest wish...
>FUCK this thing.

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>>383359925
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lhYJXOST08&index=6&list=PL69L_Xt-9bpW9lYU-KYoUY1ibUJc3DGEG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIjs50voJPA&index=7&list=PL69L_Xt-9bpW9lYU-KYoUY1ibUJc3DGEG

These are my favourites. I wish more games had that kind of joyous/fluttery orchestral battle music.

Does anybody know of any other games apart from FFTA that have that kind of Audio? Tactics and Tactics Ogre are both more serious/depressing music. I want something that makes me want to fight but is still filled wit the joy of battle.

No! It's escapism!


Is that really all you can do? i expected more from you.

I vaguely recall a line from so mewhere about the book not being a free trip to the dream world of your choice, but that it actually slowly siphoning your lifeforce to fuel Li-Grim, and would kill you after a while
I don't know if that's true, but it's the only thing I can imagine that would make Marshe correct in his actions. Even still I'm pretty sure he didn't find out about it until after the fact, which would make him right completely by accident

>>383367160
What about returning all the other people in town that got transformed into animals back to normal?

Reminder that Children of Zodiac will be released this month.
Also fuck FFTA FFTA2.

>>383333771
he sounds so wrong and without arguments, it hurts.
"BUT CAN'T YOU SEE HOW I AM SO RIGHT AND HIM SO WRONG REEEE"

>>383350130
It's clumsy because the only concrete evidence Marche has that the world is fake is the line Remedi says at the end of the game that was clearly put in at the last minute when they realised they'd done a terrible job of convincing you that Marche is right.

>>383346202
They gimped MP because magic was gamebreaking as fuck

I forget the exact setup, but an illusionist combined with the one class that let you do a melee attack along with a spell combined with dual wield means you got a guy who hits everything on the field THREE FUCKING TIMES in one turn.

>>383371831
instead of nerfing magic they should buff magic def.

Sorry for not actually contributing with anything useful, but I'm bumping this thread because its probably one of the best threads on /v/ right now.

>>383368906
That could be a thing, but then again you run into the twin problems of
A - Destroying this world to erase all the new, equally self-aware lives to restore the people transformed by the book and bring back the old lives of the people of St. Ivalice - Is that righting a wrong, or just committing mass murder all over again? Destroying a life to create another is to clearly commit an injustice, but isn't destroying the new innocent life to restore the old one equally injust?
B - Was Marche even aware that that had happened? Because again, he could be right, but for the wrong reasons

>>383374498
The game literally tells you that the world is fake

>>383374807
Then doesn't that invalidate the problem in the first place? If the world is fake, and nothing happened to the people of Saint Ivalice and they all just keep living their lives not being transformed into different beings... you can't use restoring these people to life as a good justification for Marche

Can't believe people still fight about the story. It an't be that hard, is it? Why are people pretending it's real? Can't think of any reason except for trying to have FFT thread that isn't dead.

>>383374939
People got forcefully pulled into some kids dream. People got turned into monsters to be killed because that kid didn't like them

How is Marche in the wrong?

>>383358597
>>383360942
>this is what marchefags actually belive

>>383333771
I just finished this. Marche is a cunt.

>Doned, why are you fighting me?
>In the real world I'm a spastic cripple who shits himself. Here, I can run around and have fun!
>Don't worry Doned, I'm sure that you'll be able yo walk in the real world when we go back!
Then the ending shows that Doned is crippled again.

>>383375819
>Trapping yourself in someone else's fantasy
Please tell me you're not this beta

>>383375819
>Doned
>see your brother who's done nothi g but support your whole miserable cripple life
>attack and try to kill him on sight and don't answer when he calls out to you
Autism

>Hey you cripple, you know what's real cool?
>Walking!

>>383378239
Marche really is the most lovable funny protagonist.

>>383371831
Yeah but you can only hold tomes or rods with this combo.

>>383344625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZJxYLoun7g
>April 1st
>T-thanks S-Square Enix

Should I even bother playing this now that you fuckers spoiled how it ends

>Be Marche
>Be mad because your sick and crippled younger brother 'gets more attention' than you.
>He magically gets healed and becomes a sick ass thief
>Beat him up and call him selfish
>condemn him to life in a chair because your autism can't accept that magic is real.

Marche is a fag

>>383379365
The premise is set up very early, it's obvious how it will end and there's a lot of stuff nobody talks about.

>>383379365
>playing a game for the story

>>383375819
No, everyone else was a cunt
>Doned tries to kill his brother because he was crippled in the real world, his brother who did literally nothing to support him in reality
>Mewt becomes a blabbering spastic retard who has control over an entire country, and uses his power to enforce outrageous laws that cause misery for everyone
>Ritz tries to kill you because her hair

>>383378943
Why is it using tactics ogre sprites?

>>383379592
>playing a story driven RPG not for the story

>>383379930
Correct. You play video game because they're fun to play.
If you want a story, read a book.

>>383377824
>attack and try to kill him on sight
???

>>383368975
>collectable card games like Magic: The Gathering. We decided to bring these two passions together to make a game
It doesn't sound, or look very good.

>>383380932
No matter how bad it is it can never be worse than FFTA or FFTA2.
Nothing will top FFT ever, though.

>>383381039
Advance and A2 aren't that shit

Tactics Ogre LUCT > Final Fantasy Tactics WotL

>>383379365
What, did we spoil the dialogue and character interactions? You still have that we haven't even scratched the surface in this thread.

Also, you can't possibly expect us to put spoiler warnings on a 14 year old game.

>>383381039
The character models are awful.

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>>383333771
Who was in the wrong here?

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>>383333771
>marche is a raid boss

Human = Viera >= Gria > Bangaa > Moogle > No Mou > Seeq

>>383384029
>try to make full human team
>don't have enough humans at start so the game is almost impossible

>>383358597
>>383360942

Except this wasn't stated fucking anywhere. Stop spreading this stupid fucking misinformation you faggots. FUCK.

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Are there good mods for FFTA/A2 around?

is Grim Grimoire any good?

>>383333771
Is this a good game even though the main character is an asshole?

>>383383381
wow, so it's possible to discuss without being a fag memelord too?

Did you read of http://gematsu.com/2017/06/lost-order-closed-beta-test-sign-ups-opened?

http://toucharcade.com/2017/01/04/real-time-tactics-game-lost-order-looks-very-promising/
>Lost Order is an upcoming real-time tactics title that has quite the development team behind it but still no Western release date. The title is developed by Yasumi Matsuno - who's worked on Final Fantasy Tactics, Ogre Battle, and more - Akihiho Yoshida - who was the art director for Final Fantasy Tactics and Ogre Battle - and others, and it looks very promising. According to a recent interview, the game brings real-time tactics with 3D characters to mobile. It will let you pick your team composition and equipment and will have simple controls yet plenty of depth.

>The game takes place in the Perished Capital of Gold Heaven, a city founded with the purpose of aiding the colonization of a new continent. As to be expected in any colonial context, the city is rife with social disparity, which is a central theme in the game.

>>383386005
>read of
heard of *

>>383386005

>mobile

Into the trash.

>>383379386
[MAD]

TO Valkyrie > FFTA Red Mage

>>383384205
Just fire everybody. Can't get rid of kuposhitter before jagds though.

>>383383602
>lose to him and the world gets destroyed and your account is deleted

>>383386625
If you spam fire>recruit>fire>recruit to level up Negociation you can cheese the game by getting Steal Ability right at the start

>>383351101
You forgot the part where you grind negotiation points until you get the cinqueda so you can then get the steal ability knife and turn Marche into a monster after only doing 2 or 3 quest.

>>383333771
>returns to being cripple
>spends all day stuck in room reading book about fantasy world he used to live in
t-thanks bro.

Name one thing Advance does better than A2, mechanically.

>>383386513
>Buffslut
>Better than Dualcast Summoner

>>383344273

This is what I was looking for.

>>383388926
>He never had a Wind Valkyrie with appropriate lance
They were nerfed hard in the PSP remake

>Has to use the abilities of other classes to be useful
Red Mage confirmed shit

>>383335895
ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE of the boss missions involving a crystal is someone hiring Clan Fuckbutts out to investigate a worsening natural disaster or an influx of rampaging monsters. Sure enough, it's the same crystal causing the problem and smashing it resolves it.

>>383353081
>SMT.jpg

What's wrong with a fake world, anyways?

>>383390278
It sucks in every single way. Would YOU want to live in Somalia for the rest of your life if it meant you could go to Gria strip clubs?

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>>383390542
But Gria don't exist in Advance's Ivalice, they only exist in the real Ivalice of A2. Where are Gria strip clubs anyways?

>>383390278
No internet

>>383391650
Then this world must die

>>383391650
what's so good about the internet?

It would probably be okay if it was that person alone in that world like the mc of the second game, but since there were others who chose to object and fight, the only thing that matters is who won.
The real villain is the one playing the game, you controlled Marche and made him win.

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>>383390817
There is always the Viera strip clubs.

I never got around to playing the original FFT. Is it better to play the original or the PSP remake? Sometimes they fuck with these things.

>>383380705
Doned puts out the hit on Marche before even talking to him. Marche doesn't even know Doned is in Ivalice until after he fights off the ambush and is confronted by him.

>Dream Ivalice wasn't fake

Except it was. The first Totema Marche killed was entirely self defense. He slipped into the crystal's room, the Totema attacked him on sight, and he defended himself. And when the crystal shattered the real world phased in for a bit before fading again. That was how Marche knew that the real world was still there and destroying the crystals would bring him there. You can't destroy the real world, you could only put a magic blanket over it. Marche just took the blanket away

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>>383392218
Gria > Viera

>>383353775
>>383354167
Tolerance and apathy is accepting the shitty real world when you can overwrite it with something better.

>>383392727
Why not both?

>>383392727
Yes, but as you said, Gria aren't an option in Advance Ivalice. Viera are your only options there.

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>>383392939
Gria need more love

>>383392994
So I just need to find Jylland, I bet Flourgis has Gria strip clubs it seems like the defacto Gria city.

>>383391870
The internet is the real world equivalent of the illusory Ivalice.
In a world that's actually fun we wouldn't need it.

>>383375417
Actually its implied the bullies wanted to be monsters, because you later find them as vampires.

>>383392303
Do you even know the mechanics of the game? Unless you're in Jagd, you can't die. So all Donned was planning was to rough up Marche with his mercenaries so he could talk to him from a position of strength when he did appear to confront Marche. Because otherwise Marche would just go 'Fuck that, you're going home!' if he just appeared without doing anything.
Regardless Marche is the vilian who committed genocide on a dimensional scale.

>>383389624
Red mages were legit garbage outside of doublecast in FFT but doublecast is so absurdly broken it doesn't matter.

>>383393568
No Red Mage class in FFT, and Red Mage by itself was not a good class.

>>383393568
There were certain combos that absolutely destroyed FFTA.

>Doublehand + Paladin = OHKO everything
>MP Turbo + Death = death that hardly ever misses
>Concentrate + Last Breath/ Rock Seal = never miss death or petrify

>>383393568
The amount of shit you can do to absolutely break the game in FFTA was fucking great. They shouldn't have nerfed concentrate + last breath, I enjoyed running an entire harem of viera assassins and wiping out the entire map.

>>383334089
On the beginning of the game there is cutscene showing people on the streets transforming into Ivalice humanoid races. And there is judge system guaranteeing that nobody can die in battle.

>>383393493

That's not what's implied at all. The vampires having their names is at the least symbolic, because Ritz discusses the symbolism of the entire mission, and at most speculation that it's actually them because we never actually see them be transformed.

>>383383602
>wasting a raid tier on FFTA-era ivalice
it's going to be FFT if they know whats good for them.

>>383394476
So then that could mean the bullies weren't monsters in the first place. That would further damage the argument Mewt is a despot.

>>383378943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96tf0iA-W_U

Another great April 1st joke :^)

>>383394626
The fact that the dude keeps making up rules to make the populace miserable and the people ingame complain regularly about it doesn't make him a despot?

So what was the deal with the post-endgame?

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>>383333771
>FFXII is allowed the entire world of Ivalice
>tons of races and species to pick from to put in your party
>dozens of potential crazy backstories due to how expansive and varied Ivalice is
>make everyone human except for a human with bunny ears
>give them all the most boring, bog-standard backgrounds
>somehow manage to make being a sky pirate sound boring

I will never understand.

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>>383396127
Hell, even without the fantastic races Ivalice can be rad.
I'd kill for another game with Vagrant Story's atmosphere and style of dialogue.

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>>383392727
Your opinion is wrong.

>>383393964
The 2nd game was pretty funny to break too.

>Illusionist Seer with dual wield books teleporting around the entire map smacking everything
>Paravir in general

>>383393964
>>383398093
moogle jugglers

>>383398093
Paladin made the most out of Geomancy + Flair, strongest weapon in the game. I still don't get why people think Reverse Item was godly, the Death from Phoenix Down had a low hit chance, you can easily break 400-500 damage and it doesn't cost you an item. You can make money with traps and Sky Pirate but that's about it really.