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>vidya opinions that legitimately make you mad What's

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>vidya opinions that legitimately make you mad

What's her name, /v/?
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Anything that vee mindlessly spouts
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>>383324692
Ayy found one OP
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>>383324585
>there is nothing wrong with filling games with token niggers
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>>383324692
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>>383324585
I don't think it's mad so much as confused/frustrated. But I don't fucking understand why Skyrim gets the attention it does. It literally does everything below average. World design is mediocre, combat is garbage, quest design is mediocre etc etc across the board.
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>>383324585

>Game companies will, of course, always sacrifice their product's integrity for money. Why wouldn't you sell cosmetics and DLC? It's just good business. Why do something that would make less money?
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dmc and dragon's dogma have bad combat mechanics
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>>383324762

>I get angry when a vidya character has darker pixels than me

Grow up, kiddo
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>>383324896
I've written that sentence almost word for word before. I don't have to like it to understand why they do it. Corporations aren't their friend and a business transaction is both people trying to squeeze the other person as much as possible.
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>>383324585
Final Fantasy XV is a bad/mediocre RPG.
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>>383324875
Skyrim is unironically shit. It fails at the most fundamental level, which is being fun to play. Add that onto it being designed like pure dogshit.
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>>383324585
skyrim or destiny
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>It's bad because it's popular
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>>383325571
>being popular means it's overrated
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>>383324585
>coh2 is better than coh1

thats the only thing that triggers me
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>the game is bad because of boring collection quests
>>not even required to do them
>>main quest is pretty good
you know what it is /v/
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>>383324585
>Zelda games are RPGs
>Souls games are RPGs
>I play Diablo 2 singleplayer (and it's boring/story is bad)
>A game can never be 5/5 or 10/10
>Fighting games need singleplayer content
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>>383324585
>Nintendo makes good games
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>Unity is bad because I said so
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>>383325826
>Zelda games are RPGs
Who in their right fucking mind has ever said that
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>oblivion was better than skyrim
fastest way of spotting newfags
>dark souls is legitimately hard
that also works
>cute girls belong in games
kys
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>>383324585
why would opinions make me mad?
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>>383325062

Amoral capitalism is cancer and is what pushes teenagers and dykes into socialism.
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>How about you make a better game.
>It's shit because there's no tutorial
>X is the dark souls of Y
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>>383325964
It's not as common as Dark Souls being RPGs, but it triggers me extra hard when I do hear it.
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>Dark Souls 2 is the best Souls game
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>>383326030
I know you're trolling and yet I'm still mad
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>>383326114
It's the world we live in though. Join them or fall prey to them. Assume everyone is out to fuck you and you'll be fine. I'm not trying to sound edgy, but every industry I've worked in has put money ahead of the customer's best interest.
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>a game is good because it takes 100+ hours to beat

80 hours of grinding and fetch quests are not fun
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>>383326171

How is Dark Souls not an RPG?
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>>383324762
Name one game doing this
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>>383326168
>X is the dark souls of Y
Fuck that shit triggers me every time I hear it. Just because a game is hard doesn't make it Dark Souls. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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I hate how when there are black characters in a game, they're almost always stereotypical. It's boring and overdone and unfunny.

I also hate the open world meme because they usually end up filling it with tons of stupid shit to get you to explore so it doesn't feel like a waste.
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>>383326114
So?
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>>383326429
What makes it an RPG? Stats?
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>>383326258
It's better than 3, and I'd say it's equal to demons, with Dark 1 being the best, naturally
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>>383324585
When somebody says they liked Life is Strange. I have a searing hate for that game.
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>>383324585
"Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire are the worst pokemon games."

"Quick time events are good."

As well as anything most people here say in order to get replies.
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>>383326276
I'm 100% serious which one triggered you
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>>383326560

A character sheet and player choices affecting story are pretty much the bedrock of RPGs, yeah.
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>>383326574
>Unironically having the worst opinion
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>>383326276
But he's right.
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>>383326418
>often search for yuri incest
>in a cartoon state bordering lesbian and mom/sister
accurate map
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>fandoms are a part of the game, not just the game's image
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>It's bad because I don't like it
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>>383326418
>Hawaii: Asia
Made me laugh for some reason.
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>>383326721
I guess Super Metroid is an RPG then. So is the first Titanfall.
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>>383324585
>resident evil 4 was a good resident evil
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Gen 4 is the best pokemon gen.

Hell anybody saying gen 4 is good in general or anywhere but the fucking worst. Worse than 6 (which I liked even though I know nobody else seemed to.)
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>>383324585
People commenting on games that they have never played? That is pretty annoying. People commenting on games they have never played, that are in genres they don't even enjoy? That makes me livid
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>Isometric RPGs are good video games.

No, they're mostly books with ass gameplay.
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>>383326657
Oblivion
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>>383326958

Are you confusing a character sheet with an inventory?
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>MGSV is the best game in recent years
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>>383326906
Similarly, when people say something's good because they like it. I think that there's nothing wrng with liking something that's shit, it might just appeal to your specific tastes, but don't try and act like it's good without giving any reasons for it, especially not when you're being given plenty of reason for why the game is bad.
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>>383324585
none
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>>383326752
Dark 1 is far and away the best by any measurement
Dark 2 has competent multiplayer connectivity while retaining proper invasions, all while being huge but with shit lore
Dark 3 is a mindless cash in with decent connectivity, with trash invasions, making that point null and void. The lore is trash, as well
Demons was the earliest entry and has most of it's systems redone better in every fashion in dark 1.
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>smash brothers is a fighting game
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>>383326418
>Rhode Island there being patrician as fuck
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>>383324585
>the first tow hours of New Vegas are boring, so it it's totally shit.

NIgga I love that game, and even i think the first few hours are hard to get through. You don't get a game that's good in the long haul without some trade off.
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>>383324585
>vns aren't games
>(thing I don't like) aren't games
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>>383325062
cold hand of business<<<<>>>>>artist integrity

the closer you get to one, the further you get from the other.
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>>383327132
They're basically the same in these cases. Your stats is there.
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>>383327128
Skyrims is way better than Oblivion how is this even comparable?
The few things oblivion are better
>The entire thieves guild questline
>A couple of the more inventive dark brotherhood quests
thats p much it. Any complaint you have about Skyrim is worse in oblivion
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>I don't play Western/Japanese games
>I refuse to play [game] because of it's artstyle
>People who unironically only play mature games for mature people
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>>383324585
Realism isn't fun.
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>>383327394
Everything up to leaving primm is pretty fun. But the trip from nipton through novac up to Boulder city/188 is incredibly boring
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>>383324585
>bioshock 2 is worse than 1
>bioshock 2 is bad in general
>story is important in video games
>dark souls 1 is the best and above criticism
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>>383327128
>Enjoying the Walking Backward Simulator
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>>383325881
What are the actual weaknesses of Unity as an engine
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>>383327634

Are you telling me you don't understand the difference between who you are as a person and what you're carrying?

What defines and RPG if not control over who you are playing and what they choose to do?
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Came across this a while ago. It doesn't make me mad, but it's one of the stupidest things I've read.
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>Fighting games are too hard
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>>383327862
DS1 is the best but DeS is my favourite.
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>>383324585
>Mario Sunshine being anything but the worst 3D mainline Mario game, bonus points for fags that think it's the best
>Overwatch is good
>TitS is a good series people
>People that do 3x3s and don't include Doom
>People that think diversity in gaming is good
>People that defend anything Ubisoft has made in the past 10 years
>People that think FFIX is the best FF
>People that bash Zelda 2
>People that think SF is better than KoF
>People that defend Nintendo hardware
>People that bash the Vita
>People that think blacks are equal to whites
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>>383327756
Why would I play a VIDEO game if it has an unappealing artstyle?
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>just use mods
just saw a silverfish crawling up my speaker
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>>383327257
>trash trash trashity trash are you convinced now that I've said trash a lot? Things are bad because uh trash.
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>>383324950
Oh man, what an original and perfectly sensible comeback! Doesn't like pointlessly shoved in negroids in his games? What a fucking child lol grow up, become a mature liberal like me and stop being an immature racist alt-righter!
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>>383328206
You're not raising any arguement. If you think I'm just going to jot down a paragraph of descriptive crtiticism for a memearrow post you'd be wrong
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>>383328202
Clean better. Toss away packages.
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>>383328238
>ywn be this assmad autistic
feels good man
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>>383327959
Go ahead and explain the mechanical differences from the inventory system in Super Metroid and an RPG where the DM gives fuck all XP and instead gives you enchanted items giving you abilities and higher stats.

And you didn't say anything about choices before. In Dark Souls you can basically choose to kill someone or not, and that's it. There's no game mechanics outside of killing shit. There's never several solutions to a single problem, like in say Deus Ex or Fallout.
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>>383324585
>mindless shitposting about new releases
The Dishonored games and their DLCs are fucking good.
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>>383325138
I love you.
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>>383328238
>Stop being an immature racist alt-righter!
Well, yea.
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>>383325138
it is.
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>If the game runs at 30 FPS I won't play it
>Gameplay is more important than story
>Games don't need gameplay to be considered a game
>I can't play old games because the graphics suck
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>>383326560
Yes
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>>383324585
>Fallout 3 is better than Fallout New Vegas
Or any iteration of that
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>>383328000
I'll take the bait
>Mario Sunshine being anything but the worst 3D mainline Mario game
The later ones are so much better, right? You know, the ones that strip all the challenge out.
>People that defend Nintendo hardware
It works for its purpose
>People that bash the Vita
I bought the Vita at launch and to this day I still feel ripped off. Barely any good games on it.
>People that think blacks are equal to whites
Depends on the monitor.
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>>383324585
>I think they should do (Insert poorly-aged platformer from the early 2000s) remastered!

STOP RELEASING THE SAME FUCKING GAME OVER AND OVER AGAIN! MAKE NEW GAMES YOU FUCKING CUNT PIECES OF SHIT
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>>383325751
I can think of one example but I'm not sure if its the one you mean
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>>383328413
>assmad
>laughing at you gif

Nigga I'm the one laffin at you. Every time I see someone say "grow up" in response to things like that I crack up because guys like you are all manchildren.
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>>383324762
I mean for something like black women nazi soldiers, you have a point with that being a retarded statement
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>>383328810
Gameplay IS more important than story.
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>It's a good game, it's just not a good "X" game
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>>383328238
>this is supposed to be sarcasm
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>>383325826
Any multiplayer focused game "needing" single player content is retarded. Either get some friends or kill yourself. You don't see people crying that the bots in counter strike have been mediocre to play against for the years it's been around
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"If you don't like social links why are you playing Persona? Play SMT instead."

Nothing gets me angrier than this. You can explain yourself calmly in a reply to someone saying this but you can not make them understand.
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>>383324585
>paid mods are okay because [insert mental gymnastics here]
>pay to not wait is okay

Goddamit TB, you were supposed to be the chosen one.
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>>383328874
>people that think any of what I said is bait
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>Fallout 4 is a good game, but not a good Fallout game/role-playing game
Fallout 4 is a bad game period.
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>le i only play games for mature games such a myself
great argument to play your shitty kiddies games and waifu simulators
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>>383329041
Why are you playing a VN/RPG hybrid if you don't like VNs?
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>>383326830
I can't fucking stand this.

If this was try literally every game, movie, tv show, book, etc. etc. would be complete garbage.
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>>383324585
>optional easy mode in this single player game from a franchise historically known to be difficult is terrible and you should feel terrible for being okay with this

Soulsfags and FEfags need to chill out, Jesus fucking Christ.
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>>383326418
>Step Mother/Sister
Why are the majority of incest fetishes such spineless faggots?
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People who play games for the story and feel personally affronted when they realize they're a tremendous minority and that video game stories are generally incredibly shallow and not meant to be explored thoroughly.
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>>383324585
>graphics are important
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>>383329239
Maybe he likes the RPG part
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>Rhythm games are just memorization
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>>383325826
In what world are the Souls games not RPGs?
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>>383329007
What the fuck do you think you mongoloid?
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>>383329029
I felt that way with Titanfall, but man, am I glad they gave us a campaign in 2
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>>383327949
The graphics and that's really about it.
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>>383328484

You're being absurdly reductionist. Things with similar functions are not necessarily identical.

Further, if we accept your reduction, then we must necessarily broaden the genre. If a characters' stats in Baldur's Gate are the same as a character's guns in Doom, then we cannot use those characteristics to distinguish genre.

>And you didn't say anything about choices before.
>A character sheet and player choices affecting story are pretty much the bedrock of RPGs, yeah.

You have still yet to put forward a definition of RPG, let alone one that excludes Dark Souls.

What is an RPG if not a game where one controls a character and their actions, and why is Dark Souls not an example of that genre?
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>>383329585
>if it has graphics it means it's worse
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>>383329585
Graphics are important, otherwise we'd all still be playing Ataris.
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>>383326489
sensible opinion/10.
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>There's nothing better than a sony exclusive.
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>>383328810
>If the game runs at 30 FPS I won't play it

I actually refunded the two new Wolfenstein games after launching them and discovering they were locked to 60, felt unplayable going to those from the new Doom.
If it's first person I can't do under 120. Preferably it should run at my monitor's 165hz.
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>>383326607
I liked Life is Strange. What makes you hate it so much?
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>>383330026
Not THAT important. I picked up System Shock 2 the other day and am having quite a good time with it
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-MOBAS killed RTS games when MMOs were the new fad every dev was jumping on.
MOBAS were only mainstream in 2009.

-Fighting games have the highest skill ceiling because it requires fast reaction times.
Meanwhile FPSs and MOBAS by definition should fall in the same category.
>b-but it requires MORE fast reactions!
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>>383330205
Have fun not playing many games for the foreseeable future. We can't even get 60 as the standard, let alone 120. We probably won't get there for another 15 years at this rate.
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>>383328238
jesus christ you guys really are all pathetic children
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>>383327210
Yeah, I agree 100%. More people should understand this.
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>>383327862
Story CAN be important in games. Obviously, it isn't in every game, but story is the main focus of plenty of amazing games
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I'm bothered by all these casuals coming into fps like they're hot shit after playing mobas exclusively up until now and refusing to take advice like stop fucking moving.
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>>383328238
Holding racial prejudices and being proud of them is a sure sign of immaturity, you post being a clear example of that. Grow up. Fictional niggers can't hurt you.
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>>383324585
Any opinion posted with an ms paint comic or 4chan screencap
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>>383328000
>>People that do 3x3s and don't include Doom
Sure, it's an incredibly important game and the foundation for pretty much every shooter ever, but it's not very special these days.

>People that think diversity in gaming is good
Why is diversity not good? Having a diverse cast of characters is just flat out more interesting than everyone being white or a male. Now, the vast majority of diversity in games is completely shoehorned in and feels forced as fuck, but when done right, diversity is good.

>People that bash the Vita
I love my Vita, but it's definitely a failure.

>People that think blacks are equal to whites
b8/10
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>dark souls II is bad
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> Reddit spacing
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>>383328951
Sometimes, sure, but not all the time. Trying to make a blanket statement like gameplay > story is retarded tho. There's so many different types of games out there that it's just nonsense.
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>>383328757
the way the head was moved just makes it look like hes talking to his dick
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>first person battles in RPGs are bad
If you just want to see flashy fight sequences watch a fucking action movie or something.
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>>383328810
>I can't play old games because the graphics suck
>Gameplay is more important than story

People who think this trigger me to no fucking end.
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>>383328984
It's not the most meaningful statement, sure, but it's a fair criticism. What are your problems with it?
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>>383329041
What's wrong with that? Social Links are arguably the biggest part of the Persona games. If you don't like them, why would you play the games?
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>>383330391
Apple is pushing 120 and variable refresh rates, it'll be the new standard soon once normies get their hands on it.
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>Fallout 2 is better than 1
>Touhou is a bad shmup
>Pause strategy is good
>M&B has bad graphics
>Game is bad because I can do anything/it doesn't railroad me
>MMORPGs didn't ruin the rpg industry

>>383331245
How did this meme come about? It's like I woke up one day and everyone thinks paragraphing is wrong like people haven't used it since 2005
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>>383324585
People who defend open-world or shitty RPG combat
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>>383330026
They're not meaningless, but the HUGE focus on graphics has been bad for games as a whole, especially recently.
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>>383324585
>Overwatch is a good game.
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>>383330026
Graphics invite new people into the industry. It's hard to pick up an ugly old game if you weren't raised with them
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>>383324585
it sucks being on /v/ for like a whole decade.
you get to live through a generation and see their different opinions:

old /v/
>halo is a dumbed down fps for kids
>classic sonic was great
>oblivion/skyrim is shit, morrowind is the best elder scrolls

current /v/
>halo was amazing. halo 2 nostalgia.
>sonic was never good
>skyrim is the best rpg of all time
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>>383324585

One time I had someone go on at length about how the deep spiritual symbolism of Mass Effect 3 was a wonderful end to the trilogy.
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>>383324585
>he calls a game shit because its a meme to hate it
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>Fallout 4 is a bad game
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>If you wanted a story, just read a book
>Story doesn't matter in games
>Graphics matter
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>>383331958
Hating on oblvion/skyrim was just hating on whats new.
As soon as Skyrim came out people started suddenly being all nostalgic for Oblivion
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>>383331512
If it's not a good game compared to its genre or series, it's not a good game.
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>>383332085
Fallout 4 fucking blows tho
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>>383324585
>"There are vidya opinions out there that make me mad"
Literally primo autismo
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>>383324585
>[game] has even the slightest bit of difficulty
>[game] is the Dark Souls of [genre]
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>>383331958
Lmao, what? /v/ regularly jerks itself off with how terrible skyrim is and how good morrowinds ""combat"" was
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>>383330291
I'm tired so I don't really want to get in a big discussion about it but I went on a rant about in this thread yesterday >>383197028 I'm not going to reply, I jeed some sleep, but I'd appreciate it if you could explain why you do because I think the game is jsut irredeemably bad. I was alos pretty tired when I wejt on that rant so I think some of what I said is a bit unintelligible, but I hope I got my general feelings across.
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>>383324585
>halo was ever good
>call of duty was ever good
>people describing morrowind's shit brown everywhere location as "atmospheric"
>seiken densetsu 3 is anything but shit
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>>383324585
Any faggot who genuinely has an axe to grind about whether or not gameplay is superior to story or vice versa.
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>>383332113
its not the same people
more site traffic means new people are coming, failing to lurk, and shitting onto their monitors
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>>383327992
arcade sticks are pretty annoying to use compared to the alternative
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>>383328928
>guys like you are all manchildren.
>sasy the one going on a tangent
this amount of delusion is astounding
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>>383329041
This is a good question though. If you don't like the major aspect of Persona games that distinguish them from SMT games then why wouldn't you just play SMT or at least the DDS games or something.
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>>383324585
>Anything bad about pso episode 1 and 2

I basically go full sandnigger when people say bad shit about it. Death to those who insult PSO.
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>>383327756
>I refuse to play [game] because of it's artstyle
>People who unironically only play mature games for mature people
ask me how I know you're a nintenbabby
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>>383331742
>MMORPGs didn't ruin the rpg industry

Explain nigga
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>>383327232
Upvoted
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>>383331958
>current /v/
>>halo was amazing. halo 2 nostalgia
We're already getting Modern Warfare 2 nostalgi. I want off this ride.
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>>383324585
>ORAS is better than Emerald
>ORAS is better than HGSS
I hate ORAS so goddamn much
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>>383332113
same thing with Fallout 4 every motherfucker wants to talk about how much better 3 is compared to 4 and its utter fucking bullshit. Fallout 4 is better in every single aspect, gameplay, story, and atmosphere.
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>>383328000
>>People that think blacks are equal to whites
I hate this opinion, but I don't like one race being superior. It's better if the two races have different perks that make them better in certain situations.
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>Turn based games were fun
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>>383332509
When RPGs incarnated as stories in which you actually, y'know, roleplay, in the late 90s, they were later knocked down by MMO"RPG"s in the 2000s due to their massive popularity. This shifted the priority of RPGs from their depth and roleplaying to "go to dungeon and kill shit and bring X back to me"
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>>383327756
If you're going to have a shit ugly artstyle and ingame graphics, you better fuckin' back it up in gameplay and/or story. So far none have. Bravely Default, most recently. I mean how lazy can you get? What a garbage ass game. Actually I guess FE: Fates would be more recent than that, apparently they forgot to hire an artist who knows how shading works, never mind those ass cheap 3D models.

Really the entire library of the 3DS looks like dog shit, and mostly plays like it too. Fucking Iwata and his cancer DS model and shit hardware, I hope that motherfucker gets cancer and dies or something.
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>>383332857
We're all pink on the inside
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>>383324762
>filling
>token

I don't think you understand the dilemma here.
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>>383333084
This actually makes you mad?
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>opinion differs from my own
I can't fucking stand this shit.
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>>383329585
art-style and atmosphere is important, super duper 4k hd graphics are not.
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>>383333084
Were? They still are nigga
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>>383332215
But the only people that would be disappointed with it would be people that played the previous installations. If on it's own it's a hit, what makes it a bad game aside from nostalgia for the others?
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>>383332334
Almost got me at the end of your post there.
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>Emergent Gameplay
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It's more of a combination of opinions
>Someone shits all over HL2 saying it's completely different from the first
>To further this argument praise everything about the first HL
>Say HL2 misses elements from the original like Xen
>Later says Xen sucks and was the worst part of HL

Heard multiple people say this IRL and in v threads
It's a hypocritical set of opinions that frustrates me
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>The "breaking the tube" puzzle in Super Metroid is obtuse and that Super Metroid is a bad game because of it
>Anyone who doesn't like Generation III onwards of Pokémon is an idiot genwunner
>The Dreamcast only died because of piracy
>The Switch will sell 100M units
>Video game piracy is destroying the industry
>Zelda: The Wind Waker is a bad game
>Undertale is one of the best games of all time

Just a few of the worst opinions in my opinion.
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>>383324585
"If you want a story, read a book."

I'm not saying every game needs to have a good story, but saying that stories don't belong in games at all is really fucking stupid.
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>>383327315
It's certainly not a traditional fighting game but I don't get why people get angry at saying it's a fighting game at all. There are plenty of different kinds of fighting games, just like how there are tons of different platformers that can range from pure platforming (a la Mario) to jump-and-shoot platforming (a la Megaman).
Smash Bros. would be a "platform fighter" if there were enough games people cared about that played like Smash to make it a genre. Most other Smash-like games I've seen are licensed games or direct imitators like Rival of Aether.
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>>383327685
Skyrim has better graphics. That's it.

Literally no single questline in Skyrim is anything BUT completely fucking retarded.

>We were werewolves the whole time, no, you can't take issue with that xD
>You're the archmage even though ou have done literally 0 magic and learned jack shit about mage lore!
>I'm gonna steal all the money from my own organization, get backstabbed for no reason, also, have fun being forced to relinquish your soul to stop me even though you should be able to totally kick my fucking ass!

The dark brotherhood one is the only one that isn't a massive failure, and as you said, its Oblivion analogue is still better.

And that's not even getting into the main story and how Alduin was a total waste of an """antagonist""", or whatever the fuck he was supposed to be. The Mythic Dawn's bullshit was more in-depth and notable, which is really saying something.

Shit, the gameplay in Skyrim isn't even notably better than in Oblivion.
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>>383327756
>I refuse to play [game] because of it's artstyle

It's a legitimate complaint. Some artstyles are so bad they're sickening to your guts (this only applies to people with feelings, of course). If they're ugly or mediocre in art-style, that's still a reason to move on to something better.
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>>383333562
I think they're both lame
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>>383328984
I've been saying this about BotW. It's good for whatever its trying to be and bad at giving me what I wanted, which is a good Zelda game. If I had to make an analogy it's like even the most phenomenal food still can't please somebody who doesn't like the flavor.
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>>383332280
>Game is difficult.
>Everyone on 4chan: GAME IS SO PISS EASY HOW CAN YOU FIND IT HARD? CASUAL.
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>>383333594
>The Switch will sell 100M units
How mad would you be if it actually does?
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>>383326308

Simply don't adhere to the practice. I vehemently avoid giving AAA companies any of my money. I actively negatively review shit AAA games with amoral business practices and watched it kill my favorite franchises (Hitman, Deus Ex) and I don't like your pleb thinking.
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>>383333136
I think your gripe is really in the rise of openworld games and the decline in JRPG's and their quality more than MMORPGs themselves
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>>383333594
Wind Waker is a bad game tho.
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>>383324585
People who refuse to play older games because the graphics are "ugly".
I shouldn't even get bothered, it's their loss after all, but I have a couple of friends like this and it seems that I can't reccomend any 90's game to them because they will instantly dismiss it.
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>>383333594

All of these are objectively bad opinions or outright alternate facts.
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>>383324875
It's fairly fun, has tons of mods, and there are literally no other games like it except other Bethesda games. I imagine that TES games wouldn't get so much attention if there were alternatives, but there aren't.
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>>383324950
It's not just the skin color, it's the dindu nuffin attitude that they give the characters. Marina from spla2n is an example of good inplementation of a black character
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>>383333801
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves here.
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>>383333889
Probably, I'm just looking for something to blame
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>>383333725
Being I understand your opinion it's easily superior to liking one and shitting on the other because it didn't have a part of the game you hated
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>>383333594
>Holding forward and looking at waves is good game
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>>383327257
I really wish they didn't fuck up the storytelling in 2. Most weapons felt satisfying to use and it wasn't too difficult to grab gear, but fuck I had no motivation to finish the story because every single NPC would forget who they're supposed to be

The only ones that left a lasting impression are that fencer chick that tells you about her brother, and the talking head that warns you that his body is still walking around.
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>>383324585

People that dislike the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater series. Hate on Pro Skater 5, hate on Underground or whatever, but not Pro Skater's 1-4. These are excellent games that haven't really aged.
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>>383324585
>Smash is a real fighting game
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>Horizon Zero Dawn is a good game

It's generic and boring. It's a shining example of how streamlined and uninspired gaming has become.
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>>383324585

that games like dark souls, monster hunter, and early castlevania/ghosts n goblins have sluggish, clunky, or unresponsive controls
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>>383333757
I'm not sure if I could really be called a Zelda fan because I only like the 2D games and even the good 3D games like OoT don't do it for me, but I especially love Zelda 1, and BotW felt a lot like Zelda 1 design-wise to me which is part of why I liked it.
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>>383331827
This.

All that fucking money going into making games pretty that should be going to making actually playing it interesting... Makes me want to fucking puke. What a waste.
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>If a female character doesn't give me a boner it's a ploy by SJW's to ruin video games.
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>>383332503
Joke's on you, I'm actually an idort.
I have a PS4 and will probably get a Switch towards the end of the year, maybe next year.
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>>383327685
Oblivion's quests in general are far superior to Skyrim's. This includes all the guild quests as well as the side quests.
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>TPP has great gameplay
It actually fucking doesn't. It has great controls. Controls aren't gameplay. The gameplay is about as one dimensional and repetitive as it gets.
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>>383334374

>REEE BLACK PEOPLE EXIST
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>People that think Undertale had a good story or well written characters
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>>383330665
>Holding racial prejudices is a sign of immaturity
Source?
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>>383333757
What makes a Zelda game a "Zelda" game? Combat? Puzzles? Dungeons? Nostalgia?

I'm not even sure I'd call BotW a good Action-Adventure game.
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>>383334230

It technically is. Just a different kind of fighting game.
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>>383326168
>X is the Dark Souls of Y
god DAMN I hate this one so much. If a game is at least mildly difficult, that doesn't make it the Dark Souls of anything. Heck, Dark Souls isn't even that hard once you get the hang of the combat
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>>383331742
People only call out reddit spacing when someone

posts like this

with only 1-2 sentences

between each double line break

That or when they want to shitpost and call any post with a line break at all "reddit spacing." Some people really do overuse that shit though.
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>>383334453
Same. Bothers the fuck out of me.
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>"You only like it because of nostalgia"
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>If you dislike a popular game clearly you hate it only because its popular

Everyday I see people use this "argument" against posters who already listed there actual reasons why they don't like a game.
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>>383334504
Even if they weren't "well written." Even the detractors of undertale know the attitudes, feelings, and general aesthetic of almost all of it's characters.

Is that not a sign of decent design?
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>>383331958
>Halo is babies first FPS
>Half Life 2 somehow isn't
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>>383331341
They're not BAD, per se, but I find that it's easier to keep track of what's going on with better visual assistance that a side view or 3D battle system provides. That's my sole issue with first person, even if I've dabbled with making my own RPG enough to understand they're much easier and cheaper to make.
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>Skyrim is the greatest rpg of all time
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>>383333084
There's nothing inherently wrong with turn-based combat (see X-COM UFO defense or Chess) if you are making meaningful decisions that have an impact on the ebb and flow of an encounter. Most games get it wrong by having the simple "do your most damaging attack" and "heal when you're low on health". Status effects are never worth it because most bosses are immune to them and random encounters are too short to get the full benefit of using them.
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>>383334730
No. That's a sign of "this shit is talked to death". It's the same with the persona 4 cast. I've never touched that game but I know the basic personality of every character because so many people on here argue about who's best girl.
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>>383325465
What's the opinion tho
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>>383334453
Don't forget polish, but yeah you're pretty much right. When I finally found an enemy patrol/transport van after playing for 10 hours, killed the driver and passenger, hijacked the van and attempted to drive through an enemy "encampment" (consisting of 3 footsoldiers and a couple of boxes) only to be alerted immedietetly, I knew I was playing a shit game. They made it open world, but forgot to add gameplay elements to compensate for it, elements that even Ubisoft has somewhat of a handle on. Goddammit Kojimbo.
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>>383333594
>>Anyone who doesn't like Generation III onwards of Pokémon is an idiot genwunner
I wouldn't use the term "idiot" but if you dislike EVERY game from RSE onward then you are a genwunner. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a genwunner as long as you can articulate why you dislike the games instead of saying "muh 151;" I like Gen 3-5 but personally still think some aspects got worse after Gen I and II like railroading and exploration.
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>>383329436
i read the stepsister thing is from a certain channel with quality videos on pornhub
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>>383334882
Name fucking one person who's ever said this besides some randos on a forum somewhere.

This is not widespread enough for you to actually be mad about this.
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>>383334584
I'm not even sure of the definition, but to me, Zelda games have been fun because diving into a big, multi-floored dungeon is fun. You know there's a cool item in there waiting to be found, and that the item is going to unlock a whole whack of stuff to explore and tamper with. It'll also usually help you with the dungeon boss, and come in handy when you're exploring the rest of the game in a way that the other items can't.

By the end of a Zelda game I like looking through all the cool gear I've gotten and all the weird shit I can do with it, especially since the final dungeon usually involves all the items in their own unique way.
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>>383334374
>What? You don't like this female character? What are you, gay?
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>realism is good for gameplay
I have dealt with enough realismtards that I've acquired a huge distaste for them.
They ruin vidya and never create any themselves, instead latching on simulationistic vidya and adding shitty mods to them.
They are also often subhumans - slavs and the like.
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>>383333594
Undertale was alright, I guess.
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>>383327315
I never get this. Every time someone says this they start complaining that it isn't some street fighter clone (ie a 2d fighter with set combos and a health bar). Then if that isn't the case the goal constantly gets moved.
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>>383335128
Gameinformer
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>>383333594
this guy almost exclusively emulates old games on a sub par pc.


I fucking guarantee it.
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>>383334730

How the fuck is that any indication of quality at all?

I could make a character that says "I'm sad" and you would know their attitude and feelings. I could draw a shitty MS-paint picture to represent them and you would know their aesthetic.
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>Skyrim is not the greatest rpg ever made
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>>383334529
Just browse this website, should be proof enough.

As a child I was racist as fuck, but then I met people of other ethnic groups and realized how dumb it is to group people by superficial things like skin color and such. I grew the fuck up.
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>>383335128
I mean, if you talk to normalfags or just browse somewhere other than here, Skyrim being the greatest RPG is a pretty common opinion
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>>383324585
All the praise/bashing of current gen shit.

I don't enjoy vidya as much anymore.


And yes...

I've only been lurking this shithole for 3+ years.
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>>383335395
>a character has to have life changing depth to be considered "good."

Is Kirby a good character?
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>>383334672
>Try out older games I've never played before
>Always get this retort in threads
Nigga I just played the game for the first time last week
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>>383335521
Who are you quoting?
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>>383332215
If they made a game called Freespace 3 but it was Dead Space With Shivans, it would be a terrible Freespace game no matter how good a third-person shooter it is.
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I hate the typical arguments that console warriors use that exposes them being poorfags. Let me explain.

>"Nintendo doesn't have any third parties so they suck!"

Here is the perfect example of one. At first glance, it looks like the typical console warrior type. But, when you look closer and think about it more, you realize its someone wanting inferior ports on their system. Which implies, they had to choose. They couldn't afford having more then one console, so therefore, they chose Nintendo, and complained about what they do not do.

When you REALLY think about it, console warriors aren't real, the real distinction is simply someone that could afford to have two consoles, and someone that couldn't. The two that could be called a "poorfag" and to them, can be considered a "richfag". Which honestly, with how consoles are now, its hard for me to believe people with only one console exist now. Think about it, Sony is releasing tons of new models of their PS4, which just drives the prices of their older model down to be cheaper (you can get a PS4 basic for $250 new, imagine buying used), and Microsoft is doing the same with the Xbox One now (seriously, go look at the prices for a original Xbox One, or a Xbox One S. Also around $300, typically way less). We now live in a world where the Switch is the most expensive console of the three, only because the PS4Pro and Xbox One X have driven the prices of their older models down below the Switch's $300 mark. Now of course, none of this applies if you run a gaming PC, you can simply pick the console with the most games that aren't on PC at all, and it will work out for you. Probably even cheaper that way as well. So yeah, console warriors are stupid idiots that praise themselves for limiting the number of games they can play, and belittle those that can play whatever they want.
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TRANIES BTFO YET AGAIN
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>>383335446
Niggerlover
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>>383335446
This teebeeaytch.
Judge them based on their culture instead since that actually determines personalities and morals and such.
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>>383333643
People only ever make that complaint when they think the story is obtrusive.
I'm playing Metroid Fusion for the first time, and though I haven't gotten that far and things might change later on, I am ready to bang my head against the wall because of all the textboxes, transition cutscenes, and blocking off areas for the sake of the narrative and having Samus follow computer!Adam's orders. It's hurting my enjoyment of the game relative to the first three Metroid games and the focus on the story is impacting the gameplay by making things more linear. I haven't gotten very far yet though like I said and if the game suddenly opens up later I'll be pleasantly surprised. It seems like that won't happen with this game's pace, though.
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>>383335128
Didn't they just make a top 100 rpgs list with Skyrim at the top
It's been on like 3 lists at number 1
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>>383335738
Or you could skip the bullshit entirely and just go directly to personality and morals.
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>>383331984
I'm not against spirituality, but I don't see it in ME3. Where exactly did this person see it?
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>>383335619
Ayy bro but uhhh..
You got Bloodborne?
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>>383335723
Everytime you post shit like this, I'm more likely to impregnate a black girl with my white seed just to spite you. Don't make me partake in white genocide.
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>>383335130
I like that too, it's why I love the Oracle games and despise the DS games.
>tfw realizing the Runes are it and there's no progression because somebody decided that if a world is going to be open, the gameplay should be too
I want off this ride. They couldn't even be bothered to make the setting original, instead it's just unthreatening grasslands with nostalgic landmarks.
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>>383335738
>tfw "white" but shit tier white, from a country with third world culture
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>>383333692
Lmao as if oblivion was some masterpiece of writing?
>the entire mages guild/necromancy feud
so stupid I don't even have the words to describe it
>Bruh we need to open a portal to hell here's a fetch quest
>Mankar Camoran pretty much trips and dies when you FINALLY contront him, and you don't get a proper final boss with mehrunes

People complain about skyrim being repetitive, but 99% of oblivion is
>walk through generic green hills
Then you enter one of three possible locations
>Ayleid ruins filled with undead
>Tombs filled with spooky ghosts
>Caves filled with goblins and shit

>>383334431
The thieves guilds are a lot better
People jerk off about the dark brotherhood quests but besides whodunnit I dont really see why
companions was better dont even deny it
Both mages guild and college were retarded
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>>383333084
Turn based combat can be done right but it usually falls apart when
>status doesn't do shit to bosses
>just hammer the enemies weakness
>heal when you're under half health
>there isn't some sort of twist (IE mario RPG's) where I should actually be invested in the combat or where it would actually be easier just to hit auto battle
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>>383325880
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>>383336006
British?
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>>383334016
or sergeant johnson
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>Fighting games are too hard they would be a lot better without those complicated inputs
I hate this mentality as every single person who holds it don't realise that inputs are just their current excuse for being bad at the game which is why they will never get better as it's always something else, not them that is the problem.
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>>383335827
>People only ever make that complaint when they think the story is obtrusive.
No, I've seen plenty of people use it as a blanket statement about all games. There are people in this very thread saying they get pissed off when they hear someone say "Story is important."
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>if you don't like paid mods/paid online it means you're a poorfag
>being nickeled and dimed is okay if it's in small amounts and if you don't like that you're a poorfag
The argument is exclusively used by console/company shills.
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>>383335979
>I'm more likely to impregnate
Lol
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>>383335619
This reminds me of a write-up I read a couple months ago about how the Neo-Geo's value for its price made KoF the most popular vs. title south of the US and in China, compared to SF2 at the time. The money aspect of video games always yields interesting results.
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>>383336132
Colder, more mentally niggerish, but strongly related to britain
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>Basically any thoughtful, in-depth critique on a game that has tons of flaws, is just generally bad overall, with plenty of explanation as to why
>Some chucklefucks in the comments
>'Yeah well it's still a good game xD'
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>>383336054
And I forgot to add, oblivions main quest is shit unless you love fetch quests
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>Old (insert game company here) was good.
>Pre (insert major thing here) was so much better

9 times out of 10 they weren't or it wasn't.
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>>383336276
SCOTLAND
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>>383336339
>'Yes, the game is shit, but I had fun so it doesn't matter!! :D'
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>FUCK YOU NINTODDLER
>FUCK YOU SONYGGER

everyone has to shit on everything, i know its the staple of /v/, but come on now.
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>>383336530
Even colder, even more mentally niggerish, but less related to britain
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>>383324585
People who for the life of them are unable to understand the: "it wasn't a bad game just a bad X Game." Since all that really means is that it was not bad just not what i expected/wanted.
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>>383336059
I think aesthetics and battle speed play a huge part in the appeal of turn-based RPGs, it's why I love Golden Sun so much. It's fast, the artstyle is fantastic, the battle animations are hype, NO GRINDING, and I personally enjoyed the story. It would be less appealing if it was Action-oriented, like Secret of Mana, or if the camera was first-person, like Dragon Quest.
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>>383336715
Northern Irish
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>>383336715
Poland?
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>>383336339
>Basically any thoughtful, in-depth critique on a game that has tons of flaws, is just generally bad overall, with plenty of explanation as to why
>Some chucklefucks in the comments
>"Lol, do you even praise le sun? GIT GUD!"
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>>383324585
>exclusives are a good thing

kill everyone with this opinion and the world will be a better place
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>>383336853
Yes
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>>383324585
>Mario 3D world is not as good as galaxy
>Mario 3D world is not a true 3D Mario
>Pokemon died after RBY
>Monster Hunter has PS2 graphics
>If you want story, read a book
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>>383333692
>Shit, the gameplay in Skyrim isn't even notably better than in Oblivion.
You're right about the quests and story, but I disagree with you on this. Skyrim definitely has better gameplay, especially the new spellcasting system. Yes, I'm aware of the problems with magic scaling, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the mechanics of casting itself. Holding spells in my hands is more satisfying than Oblivion's magic button, and being able to keep spells charged and then release them when I've lined up my shot is also a great improvement. Melee combat is better, too. I enjoy the killmoves more than I thought I would.
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>It doesn't affect you so why do you care?
>Just ignore it anon and it will go away.
>Who cares just don't buy it.

There has never been a time where these 3 statements have ever been fucking right.
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>>383336414
I'm not so sure anymore, I loved capcom's games in the past but they really shat the bed with SFV, and their whole strategy with the MVCI release doesn't seem too promising

Battle network is dead, the zero/ZX games are dead, they've switched their fighters to DLC-ridden messes with unfinished/contracted art assets

The only things I can really rely on them for anymore is resident evil and monster hunter
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>>383326451
call of duty, bf1, indivisible to name a few off the top of my head
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>>383336715
sounds like you have a really bizarre definition of relation to britain
i mean what could you possibly mean, faroe islands?
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>>383336339
>Yeah well, that's just, your opinion man
Why the fuck are people unable to discuss the pros and cons of video games? I know it's my opinion, numbnuts. That's your cue to express your opinion, opposing or otherwise.

I've been in too many BotW threads.
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>>383336893
>Basically any thoughtful, in-depth critique on a game that has tons of flaws, is just generally bad overall, with plenty of explanation as to why
>Some chucklefucks in the comments
>Do you have a single satisfactory appointment to FEMA, I didn't ask for this XD
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>>383336927
yeah, i was right. how in sam fuck do you consider poland "related to britain"? what kind of mental gymnastics are you pulling?
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>>383335446
You're the opposite of me and the opposite of most people I talked to who admit to being racist. I didn't think anything of people of different races at all and just considered them people as a kid when I lived in a mostly-white community where all the minorities were good people, but I started becoming racist against blacks after moving to an area with a relatively-high black population. A lot of them are just loud and obnoxious, and at worst are violent. The crime rate is stupidly high in this area and you can't even walk alone at night.
I wouldn't make a blanket statement about all people of a certain ethnicity but communities built by people of certain ethnicities often share similar cultural aspects that lead to better/worse people. I know some black people who got out of the ghetto and got ostracized by the community they left for being "too good for the ghetto" and such.
A /pol/tard once made a good statement about it. You can take one refugee and make him a model citizen, but you can't do it with a million refugees. It's an extreme example because Muslims are literally the worst group in the world right now but it applies to any ethnic or religious group with a bad culture.
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>>383337184
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>DLC Expansions are OK
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>>383334374
if you're gonna add a female, at least attempt to make it look human. fat dyke with shaved head is not human
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>>383335174
>can't see ammo
>no killfeed
>die to stray fire due to being fragile as fuck
>maps huge as fuck so if you don't have AA at highest setting with max res and draw distance you get fucked Minor gripe since I'm on a not to par rig
>"its fun :)"
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>>383327756
Hello Dobson
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>That guy who insists Expansion Packs and DLC are not the same shit
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>>383337218
Polish workers are one of the biggest British imports.
Only poos outnumber polacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom
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>>383336927
Pooland has saved europe plenty of times, don't beat yourself up
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>>383327756
>I refuse to play [game] because of it's artstyle
Why is this a bad thing?
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>>383327992
Tbf, he is talking about comfyness and he is right. A controller for most people is more comfy than an arcade stick. Problem is that analog sticks or d-pads don't give feedback like a arcade stick does, which makes playing harder on them, yet they are the comfier solution.
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>>383337406
They aren't
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>>383337436
yeah i know but that's still a retarded definition of "strongly related"
that's like an american saying their country is strongly related to ireland or mexico as a clue
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>game has a 3 hour tutorial and extremely tedious "gameplay".
>Considered by many to be the best game in the series.
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>>383337467
And ruined it even more times.
PROTIP: Just because you only hear good things about poland, it doesn't mean it is good. Poles are just very consistent about propaganda and make sure to blow every good thing out of proportion, but silence the bad things.
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>>383337283
>>383337406
At what point does DLC have enough content in it to match the existing idea of an expansion pack?

It's been years since I've seen any post-game content labeled as an expansion pack. Has the term gone extinct, or are these content drops just not big enough to warrant the name anymore?
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>>383337737
What has Poland done that damaged Europe intensely?
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>>383336253
Maybe they're just reading into that phrase a certain way. For me it depends on what they specifically mean. If they think story is important to the point that gameplay takes a backseat, then I disagree about that, and I think "games" like Gone Home and NitW are fucking trash (though with the latter I mainly hate it for its atrocious writing and not its lack of gameplay). I also think a lot of post-FMV JRPGs go too far with its story, leading to shit like tens of hours of cutscenes. My favorite JRPG is Final Fantasy V, which does have a prevalent story but not so prevalent that the gameplay suffers.
Some people might have a hair trigger and assume anyone saying something positive about a game's story is saying "story is more important than gameplay" but I'm an optimistic and would just assume there's a miscommunication between the person saying it and the person replying.
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>>383337572
Okay nevermind I retract my statement now I remembered that this exists.
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>>383336054
>companions was better dont even deny it
No it wasn't. It was terrible. There are only about three or four real quests in it, with everything else being filler radiant quests. You go from new recruit to guild leader after four quests, and like all of Skyrim's guilds, you're the guild's Chosen One.

>Both mages guild and college were retarded
Oblivion's Mage's Guild was pretty good, actually. The College was just terrible.
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>>383337737
Don't worry anon at least your country hasn't fucked Yurop over as much as Germany. Those snowniggers are the all time champs. They've been at it for centuries.
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>>383337782
Content amount is irrelevant. you're literally drawing a distinction where there is none
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>>383326981
But it is. I love the classics and would love for a true return to form but that doesn't mean 4 mechanically was bad.
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>>383337835
They harassed and attacked German citizens living in their country in the late '30s, prompting Germany to retaliate by invading Poland and kicking off WW2.
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>>383338008
the only good oblivion faction line was dark brotherhood, rest were just short and stupid

skyrim's were even shorter and dumber though

>"haha yeah right newguy implying you will ever earn our respect"
>go to draugr cave and fetch something from a chest
>faction leader conveniently dies
>"based newguy you are kingboss now"
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>>383327756
battleborn as a fucking disgusting art style.
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>>383335738
>Judge them based on their culture

That's how people become racist, y'know.
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>>383337368
realism in some games is great. really enjoy day of infamy for the realism it brings to the table.

realism in all games is fucking annoying. that is the diversity in gaming i like, different game experience.
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>>383338292
Germans at least treat each other with respect.
Poles don't - having a polish boss is hell, unless he's a westernized leftie.
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When people say Bloodborne is better than any of the Souls except maybe 2.

Like it's a great game and I enjoyed the hell out of it, but when people put it on a high pedestal it just screams to me that they don't appreciate the things that make Souls unique in the first place and care mostly about fast combat and the goth-like style. Which isn't inherently a bad thing but it does make me question why they're fans of the series in the first place when they care less about what Souls does best.
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>>383338365
Polands invasion didn't kick off WW2. It could've ended then.
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>>383324585
>Fable 2 is the best in the series
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>>383331280
dude then you must like transformer movies because they have no story but a lot of meaningless action
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>>383337782
What's the existing idea of an Expansion? Frozen Throne? Hellfire? I don't care what you call it, or how much content it has, rarely has a game ever made me say "man I wish I could get more content for this game instead of an improved sequel". The fact that CDPR thinks I'm going to pay for HoS/B&W because they supposedly got their writers to actually give a fuck isn't enough to convince me to "play" it, especially not with that fuckin' gameplay and quest design. That's what I mean though, you could've used that supposedly great story content you already had, AND MADE AN ACTUAL GAME WORTH PLAYING. Same goes with Warcraft III and almost every game to have Expansions or even minor DLC, like Dark Souls. Fucking Dark Souls, what a shit game to have the balls to release paid DLC for how unfinished, broken, and unbalanced it was and still is. Fucking jew publishers.

Regardless, Expansion and DLC barely exist anymore. They're just filed under Season Pass, which has to be the dumbest marketing lingo since Urban Market.
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>>383338598
It is. You literally can't prove me wrong.
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>>383337406
Well they kinda aren't. Honestly think about it. Expansion Packs don't really exist anymore, but in the old days expansion packs often times added content to an existing game which often took as much time to complete as the original game. What also often happened was that an expansion pack used to be an all "new game" using the same engine.
For example: Far Cry 4 would have been an expansion pack in the old days. And that would have been completely fine.
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>>383338540
What does Souls do best?
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You think you do, but you don't!
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>>383338292
You'd be surprised that we were killing ethnic Germans for years before they invaded us. We've been racist towards one another forever. Germany got fucked in both world wars because they did the right thing.

https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html

>"Póki swiat swiatem, Polak Niemcowi nie bedzie bratem." This is a Polish proverb, and translated into English it means: "As long as the world will exist, the Pole will never be the German's brother."1 While the age of this proverb cannot be traced precisely, it is reflected by a recent poll (1989) taken amongst students of three educational establishments in Warsaw, where only four of 135 fourth-graders [ten-year-olds!] declared having amicable feelings toward the German people. Half of the students questioned considered the Germans to be cruel, spiteful and bloodthirsty. One of the students wrote: "The Germans are as bad as wild animals. Such a people oughtn't even to exist. And now they even want to unite!"2 One year later, in 1990, the then Polish Prime Minister Lech Walesa made his feelings towards his German neighbors publicly known: "I do not even shrink from a statement that is not going to make me popular in Germany: if the Germans destabilize Europe anew, in some way or other, then partition is no longer what will have to be resorted to, but rather that country will have to be erased from the map, pure and simple. East and West have at their disposal the advanced technology necessary to carry this verdict out."
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>>383335521
Not really, thankfully the series rides on kirby being a retarded eating machine and not his personality.
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>>383338598
>>383338720
elaborate? i loved 1, but wasn't a fan of 3. is this why you say this? cause you think 1 is better?
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>>383338664
For real, fuck season pass bullshit.

A lot of games give enough reason to avoid buying them through shoddy gameplay, rushed production, or terrible writing. Driving up the initial cost with a "season pass" on top is pretty much a guarantee that I'll pass on the game entirely or just pirate it.
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>>383338720
>>383339105
It's a fucking terrible game, I am mind boggled that people like it at all
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>>383338794
In a nutshell, the sense of achievement that comes from exploration. Bloodborne still does this fairly well, but I find that it has a lot less to discover overall than the other games, which makes it weaker to me. There's less equipment to find, less power-ups for your character, less NPCs, less covenants, less intricate lore and worldbuilding, less side objectives/NPC quests, less varied environments, less playstyles to experiment with etc.

Like I said I still think it's a fantastic game, but I remember when it came out and everybody had found all of the hidden stuff and secrets after like a week and a half. People just had this feeling of "That's it?" which I personally found pretty disappointing. I'm glad the DLC exists because it helped in that regard for sure.
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>>383334308
>>383334584
I consider Zelda to be a game series about periodically gaining new abilities (permanent equipment like your sword, bow, hookshot, etc) so that you can find and then solve the dungeons, which are essentially just big puzzles made up of smaller puzzles. BotW tries to do bite-sized content, but the established formula was already great at introducing new concepts to you at a reasonable pace and presenting big challenges in manageable chucks, which allows the player to experience those feel good moments of sudden insight and accomplishment on a consistent basis. The formula is so simple and satisfying that I think identifying it as the problem and trying to replace it was a mistake. In my opinion, the real cause of Zelda's decline is that they've kept using OoT as a template and been forced to design the games around whatever gimmick Nintendo wants to push at the time, like waggle controls or 3D.
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>>383336339
Conversely, people who refuse to understand that sometimes bad games are held up by not having any competition from similar games. I get that some games are shit, but 90% of the time whatever alternative that is suggested isn't even remotely the same.
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>anything>gameplay
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>>383334374
To be fair in my case at least my libido is destroyed by depression or some shit so either way hamfisted female characters feels like a chore to deal with.
Before you say anything about it being just me perceiving it this way doesn't take away the fact that it doesn't make it any less annoying or terrible. People are often just to stupid to see past it.
Virtue signal idiots will always cheer on the progressive cunt bleeding heart dumbass and your average low IQ monkey guided by his penis will always scream more for the brainless tit monsters.

There's no such thing as a good writer anymore and that's why gameplay should be the better focus for gaming because all half way decent writers were pushed out for some diversity quota.
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>>383338760
There are entire season passes of DLC but you download them instead buying them in store.
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>>383337782
Look at it like that:
Would you call any of the of the WOW Expansions simple DLC? I don't believe so.

Same goes for the Expansion Packs of early Sims games.

I think the Sims 2-4 are to blame for why DLC and Expansion packs are equated. Them calling their 10 dollar H&M and other minor cosmetic DLCs Expansion Packs.
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>>383324585
Those threads should be banned on sight 'cause they are just a way for shitposters to get some hot new ammo.
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>>383338976
Germany deserves all the hate it gets. Literally the worst thing to happen to Europe besides Muslims and now they're teaming up.
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>>383327862
i dont get how people can prefer ds1 over 2 and 3
is it nostalgia goggles? i recently went through 1 after playing both 2 and 3 in that order and its ridiculous how easy and dated ds1 is, i didnt have trouble with a single boss other than o&s because my build was kind of dick for it
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>>383339724
Ok, what you are saying is that the content of a season pass might have the same value of an expansion pack, which I'll give you.
But you do realize that a lot of games got 2+ expansion packs. And honestly having one thematically coherent expansion pack will allways be better than having a season pass wich consists of some ingame goodies and 2, maybe 3 short story lines to play through.
You can't tell me that this isn't the case.

Closest thing to expansion packs this day are the DLCs that later get sold as standalones, like Gat out of Hell, Far Cry Blood Dragon (even though it's waaaay to short to be considered as an expansion pack) and so on.
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>The ataribox is going to be good
It's literally another Ouya. Fuck you and fuck wood grain.
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>>383328984
It's a decent criticism. It can be a good game by itself, while being a bad sequel/prequel/whatever
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>>383339420
Different strokes, I suppose. I appreciated Bloodbornes more focused approach. Seemed more like Demon's Souls, in that regard. Bloodborne felt more like the third act of a story, whereas Dark Souls felt more like an epilogue about (You) learning about events that occuredo. All I know is by the end I didn't even know why I was fighting Gwyn. I'm sure there was a reason, I just clocked out after Sen's Fortress.
DaS is definitely more varied in its aesthetics, though I never felt like I was in a cohesive world, despite the world design.

Idk, I still miss the Nexus.
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>>383340250
like starfox adventures, i loved the game but it wasnt a starfox game
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That RDRedemption was anything but a 7/10 or lower.
>voice acting so stilted it sounds like the characters are talking to themselves most of the time
>trademark atrocious R* gunplay. circumvented by abusing the shit out of the snap-to-aim shit that basically destroys any difficulty the game had
>pants on head retarded AI and pathing
>LITERALLY gives you checklists of boring shit to do in the open-world for it's side content ex. "kill x 10 times". most of the stranger missions are just fetch quests
>bounty missions that are almost as offensively shit as Skyrim radiant questing
>most guns are already moot when you unlock them at
the store
I swear this only gets so much praise because there aren't many notable western games.
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>>383340240
Get outta here you jive turkey, Atari has experience and knows how to make grooviliciously fun games.
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>>383340740
Waiter? My bait is stale
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>women only play "real" games for male attention!

it's hilarious that nerds think the average woman actually wants their attention, not just attention whores that exist in every aspect of life.
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>>383341195
Cancer
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Pearl > Marina
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>>383339470
I don't think the formula was the problem, but the larger (yet simpler) aspects that comprise the formula. You know, the basics. LoZ didn't need to get rid of the OoT template, they just needed to overhaul the combat, hire puzzle designers, and for God's sake write a new story. That's it. Instead they went on the complete other end of the spectrum, and took everything to extremes, while removing any sense of progression and accomplishment.

Dungeons are now super short, feature no enemies, and are aesthetically the exact same. Bosses are now super short and look exactly the same. Combat is largely the same, and is for that matter incredibly mediocre among 3D action games. Puzzles? Have 120+ of them, despite only 12 being worth your time, and only a couple of them being actually memorable. Story? Fuck story. Adventure means roaming dead grasslands and killing stationary MMO trash mobs, not from sealing ancient evils and saving the kingdom.

It honestly baffles me how anybody enjoyed this. I mean the one thing that kept LoZ on my radar, but off my shitlist was that it was inoffensive and like maybe 15 hours long, and it was charming and had some genuine adventure to it. Now its 10 hours long, unless you deliberately fuck with the busywork, is a haven for fetishists, and has as much adventure as No Man's Sky, which ironically does have an original plotline.
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>>383325826
I agree with the last one. Why would you ever want less content in your vidya anon
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>>383339105
It had the most solid world and gameplay, even though it was a bit too easy and the dog was annoying as fuck to use. Like herding retarde cats in a pool in molasse
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>>383340740
meant to add
>soundtrack is great but very small
>mash A to sprint instead of just holding down a button because fuck you
>>383341195
It isn't bait. I'd welcome a counter-argument though.
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>>383327315
So what is it? A party game?
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EVE Online is the Dark Souls of MMOs
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>>383324585
>its a good game because it has a lot of fanservice, thus the shit gameplay doesn't matter
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>>383324585

>people that mute a games music

>x game is good because mods

>x game is good because realism

>if you don't play on the hardest difficulty you're a loser

>doom 1 is worse than 2

>fallout 2 is shit because pop culture references

There's more but i don't feel like writing an essay.
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>Fighting games are too complex/need to be more casual friendly
>DP is very hard to do
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>>383333084
Seems whether people like/hate turn base games, depends on when you were born.
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>>383341920
>people that mute a games music
There's only so much Minecraft, Terraria and Starbound music I can take. Give me a break, will you?
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>>383325964
me
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>games need story and cinematics and "character development"
>can't have games be too videogamey

The primo opinion that tells you if someone is from tumblr.
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>Games cant age
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>>383335910
This. People of all types can be obnoxious assholes. It doesn't take a special skin colour or religion to be so.
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>>383342330
It's true. They literally don't unless they're MMOs or something similar. Your expectations on what a good game is is what changes and that's different for everyone.
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>>383336339
>any attempt at serious discussion
>lol wtf u doin fagot this is 4chan

I hate this so much.
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>>383342330
They don't. Your standards keep getting higher, therefore you get more and more disappointed each game because you have zero self control and you're a whiny self-entitled sissy mary.
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>I just like having fun

Can't stand this.
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>>383342259
Depends on the game desu
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>>383331884
I have alot of fun with my friends.
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>>383324896
Some game companies*
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>>383336339
>>Basically any thoughtful, in-depth critique on a game that has tons of flaws, is just generally bad overall, with plenty of explanation as to why
Want to know how I think you're a righteous faggot who thinks his opinions matter?
If people like a game, they're entitled to that.
Kill yourself.
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>>383324585
>PS3 has literally zero games
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>>383337283
They're Expansion Packs using the digital medium instead of purchasing another disk from a brick and mortar store.
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>>383328030
>why would I play videogames for gameplay
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>>383342259
Wouldn't say "need," they can definitely make certain genres more entertaining. For others, story and extensive/long cinematics would just get in the way of the ass kicking. Games like Godhand and DMC4 hit a sweet spot with just enough of a cutscene to have some kind of plot before getting back to the action.
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>"the bugs enhance the experience!"

My friend after I told him I wouldn't buy Fallout 4 because it wasn't patched yet.
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>>383340740
You forgot
>get one of the best horses in game early on so no reason to bother with buying any unless you've lost it for some reason
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>>383342778
If gameplay is the only thing a game has going for it then it's shit.
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>>383336264
well said friend.
a corporation will never do anything that does not directly aid themselves due to the nature of capitalism, and anyone who thinks they dont need to be kept in check is a fool.
fuck people who defend paid mods.
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>>383342632
I can't say I can find a game that absolutely needed its characters and "plot". Literally all a game needs is good gameplay, followed by the basics of story and graphics and music. And by basics I mean "whatever works."

Take a look at Mario for example. Even when he was in an RPG, a genre known for being story heavy, he kept it light and focused on the interesting gameplay mechanics that kept his game from just being a ripoff of Final Fantasy. Square and Nintendo used to do some amazing work back in the day, and even now I'd argue the merits of the Mario and Luigi series, as well as the first two Paper Marios. If you took out all the story and characters, I'd still enjoy the games. Probably not to the exact same degree, but I'd still enjoy them.
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>>383342818
Yeah what the fuck is the Warhorse about? Is that just on the disc for the GOTY version or something?
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>>383342607
So you don't like having fun? Or are you such a tight assed prick that you expect others to quantify their choices to please you?
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>>383342814
Every Dark Souls retard fanboy ever.
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>>383341520
I think we're actually pretty like-minded because that's a list of everything I thought was wrong with the game too, though I liked the exploration aspect so much my impression of the game was still positive overall. I really hope BotW turns out to be one of those games where we can all recognize its problems once the honeymoon period is over but for now I'm terrified the next game will be just like it. I'd rather have them reinvent the wheel again than have another Zelda like BotW.

Oh, and the reason why I say using OoT as your template over and over is a problem is because it stifles creativity if you begin the design process by identifying what the prototypical Zelda game is and then just mixing it up a little.
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>>383339470
That's a very fair opinion. What I love about Zelda 1 isn't so much its progression but rather it throwing you in a big (for an NES game) world and telling you to figure out everything else on your own. It was an aspect I thought became lost over time and I felt really glad BotW brought it back, even if it lost some of the sense of progression by being as non-linear as Zelda 1 if not moreso.
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>>383342975
I've honestly never heard someone praise DaS for it's bugs. What are you referring to specifically?
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>>383342814
For some games, this is partially true. Hokuto no Ken on the PS2 is a hilarious example:

https://twitter.com/koogyplz/status/844220825649659904?lang=en
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>>383340009
oh wow, this triggered me. fuck you dude
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>>383324585
>TF2 isn't dying because it is x number in the top 10 on steam
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>>383343261
Well yeah. Most people's definition of "dying" for video games is in reference to the amount of people playing which is still large for TF2.
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>>383324585
>[console] has no games because there are none I want to play!
They're still games you fucking nigger you just have bad taste.
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>show game to a normie friend
>naw bro, I can't play that, the graphics suck
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>Bioshock Infinite had a great story and, if you didn't like it, you probably just didn't "get" it
>Games can age to the point of being unplayable
>Turn-based combat is bad
>Open world makes always makes games better
>Silent Hill Homecoming/Downpour are good games
>The Silent Hill HD Collection is a good way to play the games
>Story doesn't matter in games
>Mass Effect 3 was fine except for the ending, which was fixed by the Extended Cut
>The Souls games are good because they're difficult
>[ X ]'s fandom makes the game worse

The last one always makes me the most angry though. Seriously, I get that fanbases for games can be raging cesspools of autism and stupidity. But that doesn't impact the game or what it has to offer. Seeing people literally say a game is bad because of some shit they found on Tumblr is infuriating. Similarly, if the creator of the game is a total cunt people will shit on the game as well. People seem incapable of separating the product from those who surround it, then judge the game based on completely outside factors. It's incredibly stupid and frustrating.
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FF13 has a okay story, mostly good characters, good combat system and familiar and similar gameplay to FF10.

Majority agrees at such. 4th best PS3 game by players, got subseries from fan demand, Lightning Farron fan favorite in Japan. Get over it. They beat out your argument and trolling.
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>say games aimed at children dont appeal to me (games like Kirby Epic Yarn)
>wow bro you are so le mature so hardcore go back to Cod edgelord
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>>383324585
>if a game is objectively bad, no one else can possibly think it's fun
Fuck off. Sometimes I just wanna shut my brain off and play utter trash, and no one can tell me I can't.
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>>383328810
>Gameplay is more important than story
Anon I think you got your points mixed up, this is a correct opinion
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>>383343562
>FF13 has a okay story, mostly good characters, good combat system and familiar and similar gameplay to FF10.
Yeah if someone said that, it would piss me off too.
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>>383324585
you're searching for the things that make people angry so you can make threads about those things and bait people into getting mad aren't you op?

Can't fool me faggot
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>>383329041
The social link shit is was makes it a persona game anon. The first two persona games were literally just SMT shit under a different name
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>Hey, I don't like [GAME]
>What? How do you not like [GAME]?
>Here are a thousand reasons why you should like [GAME].
>Here are reviews showing that [GAME] is amazing!
>Let me break down every single mechanic and story moment in [GAME] so that you understand it's good.
>Yeah, but I still don't like it.
>How do you not like it? Are you stupid? Stop being edgy and a contrarian.

Absolutely the worst issues I have encountered when discussing opinions of games. Sometimes games just don't synch up with you. They're not bad, they're just not your cup of tea. I remember saying I didn't like Metroid games all that much to some people and it started a nearly hour long discussion of why my opinion was wrong. It's like fuck man, maybe I just don't like what it has to offer. I can acknowledge the games is overall good, but not enjoy it. People seem incapable of understanding that possibility and will argue with you for hours about it.

People just don't like games sometimes. Has nothing to do with the quality or anything, they just don't like it. But goddamn, say you don't like a sacred franchise or flavor of the month and you'll be swarmed.
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>>383324585
>normies at work talking about how Skyrim is so much better than Witcher 3
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>>383330026
>looks at every retro aesthetic indie game to come out recently
We are playing Ataris anon
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>>383343476
>having friends
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>>383324585
"Why would you play Skyrim when Witcher 3 exists?"
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>>383337078
Black men and women fought in World War 2 and World War 1, deal with it.
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>>383344253
Are there any besides shovel knight in recent memory to pull it off well?
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>>383343968
Why would you think that? You don't need to post inflammatory opinions these days to get people posting. Just say whatever you want, then post an image of Trump, a black person, Colbert, something vaguely anthropomorphic, or just an image of a generally popular game and ask, "What went wrong?"

Seriously, /pol/ will do half the work these days of providing responses to bait. It doesn't take any effort.
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>>383343032
Not him but there was one distinct difference between 1986 and BotW. 1986 was reasonably hard. I mean it wasn't Ninja Gaiden or anything, but you enter a frame and- FUCK, you're dead. The enemies are constantly after you, almost like they're minions of Ganon who are hell bent on stopping you. Wtf are the enemies in BotW doing? There aren't any even in the Beasts. I mean even if you ran from them in 1986 (something that is significantly easier to do in BotW, given the nature of the world, placement of enemies, and incredibly limited roaming range of said enemies) you were still forced to do battle in the dungeons. BotW tends to confuse Damage with Difficulty. BotW isn't hard or even frustrating, it's practically nearing Kirby levels at this point.

BotW taking inspiration primarily from 1986 and Skyrim, of all things, only serves to show its inadequacies. Bringing attention to the fact that the franchise is 30 years old, and that THIS is the result, was not the greatest idea in my own opinion. BotW doesn't feel defining like 1986 was in the 80s, or OoT in the 90s. So all you're left with is to judge it on its merits as a "Zelda game", and it fails.
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>i can't play with a keyboard
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>>383343048
Every time someone complains about a glitch, bug or dumb shit the game has the mindless Dark Souls fanbase come out to defend it and how everything is your fault. For example the shitty hitboxes, we all have seen the webms, when you hit a wall your weapon bounces leaving you open to attacks but this does not apply to enemies. You can hide behind a wall and their attacks can go through it and hit you. In Dark Souls 1 there were areas with invisible walls that stopped arrows mid air or enemies like Phalanx with huge exposed areas on their bodies but arrows still could not hit them because the shields hitboxes were bigger than the models.
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>>383344080
tl;dr why would you walk into a thread about [GAME] if you don't like game?
The answer is you want other people to share your opinion or you want an argument.
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>>383n44487
What the fuck are you doing? Don't you Know you're not allowed to criticize botw?
Land sakes anon
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>>383333594
>Undertale is one of the best games of all time
Ive never once seen someone say that one this board anon. Ive only seen the opposite. Are you sure you didn't mean to list that opinion there instead
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>>383327756
Twilight Princess looks hideous, I only played it once.
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>>383344893
I don't. I'm talking about discussions with friends and in threads unrelated to the topic. That Metroid example came up a long time ago in a thread about Castlevania. I stated how I really enjoyed Symphony of the Night, which was weird for me because I'm not huge into games that have similar exploration/progression systems like Metroid. Then people went nuts. With friends, they asked if I wanted to play Borderlands Presequel with them and I said I didn't really like Borderlands 2 that much so I didn't want to, which started a huge discussion or why I'm wrong.

I don't go into threads for games I don't like, there's no point. But it still comes up in unrelated discussions at times, and people flip out.
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>>383343712
Might want to search archive, anon. There's a delicious thread waiting for you.
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>omg based Takaki. Life and Hometown 4ever

I'll admit I can enjoy Senran Kagura, but I cannot put Takaki on a pedestal. The games themselves aren't perfect and his old comments on how he wanted a series that was both titillating and interesting don't seem to apply anymore. The fact that uppers didn't do well in Japan also keeps my view of him down low.
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>>383325964
Back in the 90's everything that was more complex than a platforming with sequencial stages were considered RPG. I had to read in some magazine that resident evil was a RPG.
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>GTA4 was better than 5
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>>383334374
>If you don't like this shoehorned in token character then you must secretly be a sexist
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>>383345430
Nobody liked FF13 before it came to PC.
It was universally agreed it was a dogshit game.
Suddenly it came to PC and people started praising it.

Guess what conclusion this lead me to?
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>>383345347
Did they kill it or just fuck with it?
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>you are playing it wrong thats why you dont like it
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>>383335446
>t. someone who met blacks in a controlled as fuck environment like college
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>>383345347
What the actual fuck is wrong with these literal monkeys? I need context
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>>383345573
I can easily guess.
Even tho I only played XIII on pc.
My normie uni mates were present when I finished the game and I felt strangely in tune with them, since I was just as confused during the ending, despite playing the whole game through.
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>resident evil 6 is a bad game
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>calling a game overrated as if it's a legitimate criticism
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>>383345347
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>>383344450
hotline miami?
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>>383345347
oh, so that's how they prepare sopa de macaco.
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>>383324585
>if it's grindable with some sort of shortcut via money it's automatically pay2win
i mean most of the time i'm wrong, but a specific game i like is just shit on just because of this heuristic despite balancing out the mindset of better weapon with "niche" weapon. Basically, a grindy rpg with sidegrades is the perfect balance of f2p games.
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>>383343489
>The Silent Hill HD Collection is a good way to play the games
Literally no one has ever said this.
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>>383346393
Mmm uma delicia
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>MGSV is the best MGS game
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>>383324585
Anything a youtuber says.
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>>383324585
>you don't understand game development, you have no right to complain
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>>383344487
BotW letting you die in dumb and spectacular ways was pretty entertaining, but as far as actual difficulty went it felt like everything did twice as much damage as it needed to, you could heal through anything that didn't instantly kill you (so long as you cooked in advance), and death itself was just a slap on the wrist anyway because of autosaves.
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>>383324896
Those behavior should be forbidden by a law. I don't know how would react a game compagnie if some countries forbidden that. Would they release for free the DLC content or would they don't give a shit? I'm curious to know that.
I think if a large group of countries start to do that together, they would probably release it for free.
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>>383346943
I think you need to have SOME understanding of game design to be able to meaningfully articulate what went wrong with a game or what could have been better. But I don't think having a highly technical understanding is necessary.
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All of these comments are babby-tier mild annoyance

Let me show you what's REAL rage-inducing

This character is a waste of slot

and the only one who likes her are waifu fags
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>>383332306
Dont be on ambien and /v/ faggot
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>>383337368
(you) don't like realism, we get it.
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>>383347737
Who, like Selphie? Give me some examples
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>>383324875
>i played this games foe 100 hours before getting bored(figuring out that it suck) so it must be good
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>>383347737
Both of those apply to Lucina in Smash
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>>383348140
Oh, that shit gets to me all the time.
>you played it for [x] hours so it HAS to be good
The worst is when the same goddamn person uses
>how do you KNOW it's shit? You haven't even tried it
You can't fucking win.
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>>383339634
this. I don't get why people would value anything other than GAMEplay in a game.
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>>383347419
If they can't charge for DLC it will cease to exist. Sure, it'll stop scummy practices like pre-order exclusive DLC or removing parts of games and selling them separately, but we live in a capitalist world and unless its a indie passion project nobody is going to continue to work on a game and give you more stuff for free if you already bought it.
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>>383325826

Technically, any game can be an rpg.

Even physical games like chess or tag can be an rpg if the players roleplay as fictional characters while playing. Plus points if there's a storyline involved.
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>>383324585
You know that bethesda shill MrMattyPlays on youtube?

I don't think he understands how universally hated fallout 4 is.
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>>383348317
>>how do you KNOW it's shit? You haven't even tried it
Well if they're just making claims or opinions about a game they haven't played, what the the hell do they know? You can't you can critique a game you know nothing about.
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>>383348591
Just stopped playing an RPG called Tekken 7, its good. I ended up being cute android girl with big titties.
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>>383336748
Same, loved those games which reminds me of of one I hate.
>Golden Sun was never good. The GBA just didn't have any RPGs.
Blatantly false garbage that people that aren't RPG fans in the first place just parrot. I had tons of FF games, M&L Superstar Saga, Sword of Mana, Summon Knight Swordcraft Story, Pokemon, Lunar Legend, Fire Emblem, and Sigma Star Saga. All of those fall within the RPG category, with a little mechanical variations on how the actual combat or whatever works, but there were plenty. Some people say remakes/ports don't count, but that's not really true since a lot of people with GBAs never played those games on SNES because they were too young at the time, hardly anyone bought games like that for SNES in the west so they're hard to find, and there's new content in a lot of them anyway. The Golden Sun games stood out as great games surrounded by all those other titles, and I've yet to play a JRPG where I enjoyed using magic or whatever as much to manipulate the environment in a seamless and lore-friendly fashion like psynergy in Golden Sun. 10/10 fuck the haters.
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>>383348317
I remember reading a post once where a person was saying they returned to a game they loved at the time and discovered it was old and busted and had probably always sucked. They basically had a meltdown that they had wasted a part of their life on their game and had deluded themselves so badly that they were having fun.

To be honest I bet they did have fun when they first played it, but their standards have changed since then and they can't get past the things they once were able to overlook. Either way, I think we all try to justify to ourselves why we spent money on a bad experience, or played a bad game to completion or sunk hundreds of hours into something long time past the point where it stopped being fun. Otherwise we'd have to admit to ourselves that we're irrational creatures who aren't always consciously in control of our behaviors.
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>>383348895

I tried to get into Tekken but just couldn't. Maybe it's because of my streetfighter background but I always found Tekken controls to be too clunky.
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>>383348079
>>383348198
I'll start with smash

>Wii Fit Trainer
>Zelda
>Jigglypuff
>Lucina


MvC3
>SheHulk
>Super Skrull
>MODOK
>Pistol Possum
>PWright
>X23
>C. Viper
>Nathan Spencer
>ESPECIALLY Spencer
>Firebrand
>Shuma Gorath
>Jill
>Sentinel
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>>383348591
This is why "RPG" is a stupid category for video games. There's incredibly few games where you don't take the role of the character because games, by nature, are interactive. The easiest way to make something interactive is by giving the audience a way to interact with the presentation, and the easiest way to do that is by letting them control a character in it. The only games that wouldn't really fall in the truly traditional definition for RPG would things where you only control the environment, settings, or objects to indirectly influence any characters.
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>>383348874
It's not that bad on its own, it's when you couple it with
>you played it for [x] hours so it HAS to be good
Basically, if you didn't finish the game you get told you can't judge it, and if you DID finish the game then you had to have liked it because otherwise you would have turned it off right???
I know a guy in real life who pulled that shit with Borderlands.
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>hurf durf all elves are sluts
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>>383349431
Jigglypuff is nostalgiafags, not waifufags.
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>>383349431
>>Phoenix Wright
>>C. Viper
>>Shuma Gorath
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>>383347724
The problem is that most of the people that parrot that opinion don't care about meaningful criticism, only shutting down opinions they don't like. You also don't need a precursory understanding of gamedev to accurately point out why a game feels shitty.
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>>383349761
While incredibly true, that doesn't make such parroting any less annoying. Sometimes I hate /v/ for all the mindless shitposting memelords and opinion-repeating parrots, but then I remember everywhere is only worse about it.
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>>383349431
Wii Fit Trainer shouldn't count because it's both male and female.
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>>383344752
I won't play with a keyboard unless it's an FPS
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>>383324585
>The first 3 years of this generation were great
>more linear and focused games are shit, and open world is the best
>pinball requires no skill
>bioshock infinite is amazing!
>X is my favorite series, while they've only played the newest entry and refuse to play the older titles because their too old
>people wishing more games released are competitive/esport focused
>>383335128
I know someone who shares this exact same opinion and has it posted proudly on a steam review and he's played Oblivion and new vegas before skyrim came out
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>X aren't games
>can walk and lose in them
I understand maybe a true vn not being group with regular games. but when someone say something like danganronpa not being a game it infuriates me.
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>>383351602
aaaaaaaand there goes the thread. Been a good one boys.
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>>383351602
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>>383324585
Dark Souls should have an easy mode.
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>>383351602
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>>383324762
good job with this bait
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>>383344462
This post is extremely ironic considering
>>383324762
Seems like it's actually anti-/pol/ who does all the work.
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>They complain about a game, and their only points are "it's anime-styled" and "it's too hard for me"
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>>383328413
>still watching anime
Grow up sheesh
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>>383327315
Fuck you kys
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>Saints Row 3 and 4 are the best of the series and are so XD RANDOM!!!!
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>>383341735
Pretty much, yeah. Just because a bunch of nerds took Melee too far doesn't mean it's anything close to a competitive fighting game.
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>>383349123
I did like GS, but when I saw the criticism, I realized that it is all objectively correct.

GS has:
>unskippable cutscenes, which can take more time than non-cutscenes if you go really fast
>artificial choices, where your yes/no only changes the next speech window - if that. most of the dialogue choices in the game are of this kind
>unskippable attack animations which can take a while
>SMT style status effects: not good enough to use on mobs, bosses are immune (and when they are not, status effects are gamebreaking)
>tedious "puzzles" where you can easily figure out the solution in seconds, but then need to spend a minute pushing blocks around
>same as above, but with psynergies

GS and sequel are fun, but they aren't really good games.
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>>383353415
2 is obviously the best, but I would consider 4 the runner-up, just for being a fun sandbox game.
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>>383353963
the fact that its a part of a series withstanding, it can be a fun game. However, the fact that it just feels so lazily put together with the same shity map from 3 and the series killing moment where they blew up the fucking earth kills it for me.
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People who use notebooks for playing games arent REAL GAYHMERS
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>>383352021
>>383352180
what was it?
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>>383353483
No, fuck off. That kind of thing is in plenty of, if not almost all, JRPGs. Literally all of what you just listed. GS is at least as good as other JRPGs. It has flaws, yes, but it's still a good game. You even said you "liked" it, yet you're not willing to admit it's a good game? That's the kind of dissonance on /v/, that extreme urge to criticize beyond necessary, that leads to posts where people are unironically saying that "fun" doesn't matter. The main thing that bothers me is how people say it was only popular with JRPG fans because there was a lack of other games on the system, which was already refuted above. The things you listed are perfectly accurate criticisms, but I fail to see how having some flaws can turn games you "like" into ones you can say "aren't really good games".
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>>383355107
>Being this much of a nostalgiafag
Kys
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>>383355545
f you want to continue arguing, actually present an argument.
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>>383355728
Nah
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>>383347419
It would cease to exist. Maybe one extra here or there, but The Sims wouldn't add the magic expansion for free, and Crusader Kings wouldn't have gone far enough to add Vikings/Charlemagne.
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