Dark Fucking Souls

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Oh and
>Mfw finished blighttown

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>>383323806
>Falling for the thousand year-old Drake Sword meme
>Reading a guide
Disgusting

>>383323806
Glad to hear that you are enjoying the game. It's pretty good. You remembered to install the DsFix right?

>>383324052
Playing on 360

>>383324017
Yo man those frst few hours I had 0 clue how the fuck to do anything. I never spent anytime even lurkig in DS threads since I never played it once.

>>383324202
One** I mean not 360

>>383324202
Didn't look at any guides or anything until my second playthrough of Dark Souls to see what weird shit I was missing. It's pretty clear where to go and when, and the mechanics aren't hard to learn or understand.

I'm glad you're having a good time, anon.

Don't harbor high hopes for SOTFS, it's the black sheep of the family. DS3 is good , though.

>>383324768
Dark Souls 2 is unironically my favorite Souls game so you can take your opinion and fuck right off.

>>383323806
>I'm finally figuring dark souls out

Obviously not if after 16 hours you haven't realized how fucking terrible this game is

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>>383324910
I'm glad you like it, but kindly go fuck yourself you meanie

>Ever reading a guide

I'll start playing the game blind for the first time tomorrow and I'll try to get everything I can before I look at any guide to see the cool sidequests I miss

>>383323806
Halberd is a good choice my friend

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>>383323806
Dark Souls 2 is a gigantic pile of steaming hot garbage.

I did 2 runs on it recently. Have been waiting for ages for the item randomize mod v0.2 to come out but it's taking too long so I just started a new game of DS1 after not touching it for years. I figured that all the DS2 shitposters might be on to something and DS2 does actually improve some things, and maybe my hate of it isn't justified.

I was so fucking wrong. Within 1 hour of playing DS1, I once again realized what a gigantic pile of shit DS2 was. Holy crap, DS1 is so much better in all the ways that matter it's fucking ridiculous. I recognize that DS2 does some quality of life things better like the inventory, and the smoother animations, but holy shit that's where it ends. It feels so fucking good to play DS1 again. I once again cannot fucking BELIEVE there are people out there that are so fucking brain damaged that they actually think DS2 is the best in the series.

Sorry OP, but DS2 is trash until you pass the 5~10 hour mark where you stop giving a shit. Enjoy DS1 while you can. Do 2 playthroughs at least. You'll miss so many things about it when you move on to its turd of a sequel.

>>383324768
In this thread we list things Dark Souls 2 did that were far better than Dark Souls 3. I'll start:

>No bonfire and no death challenge where you can beat the game without resting at a bonfire or dying to gain a reward and bragging rights

>Non-linear first half of the game allows you to rush straight to the areas of the game that contain the items for your build

>Chugging Estus immobilizes you, and the heal isn't instantaneous meaning trying to chug while someone is sticking close to you will result in death

>Stamina regeneration is tied to weight, so a character at 10% burden will recover their bar faster than a character at 70% burden, giving an advantage and a reason to make a low burden character

>Poise exists and armor provides relevant, but not overpowering damage reduction, giving an advantage and a reason to make a high burden character

>Phantoms and Dark Spirits cannot chug estus, spirits can only heal via spell useage which is slow. This makes fighting outnumbered even without mob assistance possible since any damage you do sticks

>Can only perform four rolls before running out of stamina

>Can only perform 5 attacks of a rapier or straight sword before running out of stamina

>Parrying has longer recovery frames and consumes more stamina, making parry fishing riskier and makes parrying require higher skill

>Power stance allowing for unique combinations of dual wielding and unlocking an alternative moveset for weapons

>Being able to use the full moveset of a weapon in your off-hand including running, rolling, backstepping, etc. attacks rather than just being able to do a basic R1 swing and blocking with the weapon as it is in Ds3 (lmao who would ever want to weapon block)

>Bell Tower covenant providing two unique optional areas to PvP for Titanite Chunks, Slabs, and Twinkling, making farming for upgrades fun

>Bonfire ascetics to replay bosses you like and or gain items from NG+ and beyond without grinding through the whole game again

>>383323806
I wish I could replay 1 blind. It's still a fun game but the magic of entering new areas for the first time is gone. It's a shame that Dark 2 and 3 couldn't recapture that feeling for me.

>>383325893
All I hear is

>Dark Souls 2 has a lower skill ceiling because it gives you 5 hours to punish every little thing your opponent does, while Dark Souls 3 requires you to be much better at the game to punish your opponent's smallest mistakes the instant you see the animation happening, and you have to actually watch out for being juked

DS2 is a fucking joke, dude. Any game that rewards slow reaction times is a fucking joke.

Why the FUCK didn't they ever bring back the humanity system? Now dying is fucking pointless. Losing your souls along the way to get them back is fucking nothing. It's not like you're losing those 10 humanities on your chaos weapon or those 6 humanities you were saving to kindle bonfires. It was also an extremely expensive resource for phantoms to heal with that was fair due to its rarity.

>>383326310
But you can just farm rats in the depths or Humanity spirits in the abyss or the Picasas in the Archives.

>>383326510
That's tedious as fuck, hence an expensive resource. Who wants to spend a few hours killing rats over and over just to have lots of humanity for pvp? For PvE, by the time you can farm it effectively you don't need to.

But reading the dark souls wiki makes the game so much more fun. Reading all the lore of the bosses and npcs is great

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>>383325860
Literally nobody says Dark Souls 2 is the best in the series, but it does a fair bit of things better than the Miyazaki titles and they really aren't hard to notice unless you're a fucking retard.

Yet still there's always retards that pretend they can't fathom why something like left handed movesets or extremely frequent chests can be a good thing.

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>>383325893
Today I will tell them dark souls 2 is still the biggest ass in the entire franchise
DaS>DaS3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DaS2

>>383326013
Did you play demons souls? If not, do it.

>>383326310
Probably because it was pointless? I believe now you have to be in human form to summon, no? It's been a while. It added very little, and what it did had was a tad bit annoying.
>>383326628
You can farm the three rats underneath the "Drake", so... about an hour in the game? Don't underestimate how much def 99 humanity can give you. Without any luck boosting gear, it took me about 15 minutes to get 30 humanity from those rats I mentioned earlier.

>>383323924

>tfw Blighttown can be skipped in almost its entirety using the Master Key

Never have to go there again, except for a brief moment to hop off the elevator and kill Quelaag.

>>383326792
>Literally nobody says Dark Souls 2 is the best in the series

Been in many dark souls threads?

>>383326792
But they really didn't though. Everything in ds2 is inferior.

>>383326796
Despite not being as fun, Dark souls 2 is the hardest game out of the 3.

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>>383323806

>falling for the drake sword meme

>not killing the dark knight in undead parish and getting the BKS

If it drops for you, BKS will carry you through the entire game, from start to finish.

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>>383326937
Then you're a fucking retard, I guess.

>>383327130

Black Knight Sword is not a guaranteed drop.

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>>383327069
>>383326908
>>383326937
Can Neo/v/ leave

>>383326937
Oh? Power stances, more variety and diversity in Armor and weapons? What about Miracles, Sorceries, Pyromancies, and Hexes? The PvP? I'm not a big fan of Dark Souls 2, but I will not deny, they did do some things right.

>>383326310
I liked the idea of humanity, thematically using your own humanity to feed the fire to obtain more estus was cool. Being able to heal with it, and the relative ease of obtaining large quantities of humanity was a bit much though. I do think kindling bonfires should've been a staple of the series however, and using humanity to cure hollowing makes perfect sense. Effigies and Embers really are lame compared to humanity.

>>383326937
SoTFS has without a doubt, the most weapons and armors in the series, and 90% of the weapons are viable.

How the fuck is that a bad thing.

>>383327187
>If it drops for you

C'mon now, mate.

>>383327260
It's true though. I played through DS2 first, then Dark souls 1, then 3 (by far the easiest), and now am replaying 2. I am still getting my ass kicked by 2, while I didn't struggle much with 1 and never did with 3. Also after going from 3 to 2, it's fucking hilarious how much more difficult the estus flask system is. Starting with 2 flasks vs 5, and drinking it takes quite literally 2.5 times longer, while not being able to move. DS3 is a joke in comparison.

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>>383327069
>Despite not being as fun, Dark souls 2 is the hardest game out of the 3.
>hardest game
Stopped reading there

>>383327130
The halberd is better. An hour at most to upgrade that thing and you have a weapon that hits over 400.

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>>383327671
>I played through DS2 first, then Dark souls 1, then 3
>I played DaS2 First
>First
come on the fuck on guys

>>383327667

My bad, friend.

>>383327695
Murakamo with 40/40 is where it's at. This weapon feels fucking heavy while still being relatively fast. Best weapon in DS1 for me

>>383327272
It ADDED good things to the game

It made almost every EXISTING thing much, MUCH worse.

>>383328056
>everyone tells me it's fast
>try it out
>has that weird ass windup animation

This thing's slow, dawg. Why does everyone tell me it's fast?

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>>383327671
>I played through DS2 first, then Dark souls 1, then 3 (by far the easiest), and now am replaying 2. I am still getting my ass kicked by 2
Do these people even try anymore?

>>383328246
Compare it to the Zweihänder. It hits nearly as hard. It's not a katana or a straight sword

Good to see someone genuinely interested in all games of the series, every single one of them is a good game and they all play a little different from each other.

Also avoid soulfags shitposters and their opinions.

>>383323806
My one tip to you. Do not use the second bonfire in the Catacombs, unless you've progressed through the area normally.

The only reason anyone thinks DS2 is hard is because they put like 40 enemies between you and the boss so it's tedious as fuck, and you get annoyed enough to get reckless and take damage more often on the way there. You COULD cheese each set of enemies and take no damage instead of fighting 1v4 every other room but you just don't want to deal with it. That and the fact that a lot of enemies tend to have like 50000000000000 poise with short attack animations, and are also bunched up in groups, while also having heavy resistance to every single type of magic. The only way to kill them without taking damage is to cheese them, get lucky and have them stumble around, or use a shield like a pussy. Several enemies will literally not even have their poise broken by a large club's R2 which is fucking stupid ass design and would only make sense if they were like giants or something, which they aren't.

>>383328056
Murakumo is an incredible PvP weapon in DaS2, don't know if it has the same mechanics in other games though.

The great parry activates instantly so if you roll at someone and hit L2 they'll nearly always attack into it.

>>383328654
Zwei is faster, but has a much longer recovery time. Murakumo is slower, but has very little recovery time. Zwei is more reliable. Murakumo has higher dps. Sometimes that first hit is all that matters in avoiding getting hit yourself.

>>383328817
Guy who has platinumed the game here, why? Put it in spoilers if you want.

Why won't they fix the roll spam + R1 straight sword spam in das3

on an unrelated note why are so many boss souls weapons just YET ONE MORE FUCKING (ULTRA) GREATSWORD

>>383328967
If you just jump down to get items and happen upon it, you'll have an extremely hard time getting back since the only way back is the long way, and you can't warp.

>>383328670
>everything is equally good and bad
>please stop with your criticism
Holy fuck, I can nearly feel all that estrogen in your body through your writing.

Dark souls 2 is LITERALLY shit compared to the first. Nothing you ds2 cucks say will ever change this fact

>>383325276
Cool, see you on the wikia!

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>>383327671
>I played through DS2 first, then Dark souls 1, then 3
This is the average Ds2 praiser.

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WHY
THE
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are none of the fucking GREATSWORDS (yes, GREATswords) in Dark Souls 2 STR weapons? EVERY SINGLE MOTHER FUCKING GREATSWORD IN DS2 IS A FUCKING QUALITY OR DEX WEAPON HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK KIND OF DESIGN IS THIS WHERE A HUGE ASS FUCKING WEAPON HAS NO FUCKING A OR S SCALING STRENGTH VARIANT. Why are there FUCKING A-scaling straightswords and EVEN CURVED GREATSWORDS and yet Z E R O pure STR A/S scaling greatswords?

Thanks a fucking lot B-team.

>>383325860
I want to know why ds2 is giving me so many fucking slabs and not enough chunks

>>383328967
I once used the shortcut and the bonfire without opening any of the doors. After killing Pinwheel, I realized that I couldn't get back up. I couldn't warp, I couldn't bone, and I couldn't walk back up, since all the doors and bridges were closed off.

>>383326310
I liked the humanity system for bonfires but disliked the buffs it gave from the amount of humanities one was carrying.
Maybe with the humanity system DS3 wouldn't have such lazy bonfire placements.

>>383328937
Zwei is really faster? Damn, doesn't feel like it. I will not argue which weapon is objectively better though. I love the Zweihänder. But the Murakamo feels just right. Espacially when you stunlock bosses

>>383329449
well UGS have ironically fairly low str scaling in 3 too except the fume and the likes

most full upgrade greatswords are C

>>383329449

The Greatsword has S scaling in str when fully upgraded

>>383325276
there arent any sidequests, just play online and follow the messages.

>>383326827
You need to have ember to summon in das3

>>383329098
upvoted

>>383329450
Because of B-team's shitty game design talent. They didn't even have the decency to put it as a drop on a fun, strongish, readily available enemy like darkwraiths in DS1.

>>383323806
Dark Souls 2 is mega shit, I would just completely skip it the story wouldn't make a difference.
>Some faggot was suppose to link the flame
>he ends up sealing it for an undead
>you link it
>the end
there I just saved you 2 days of shit

>>383329676
>implying preventing Solaire's death isn't as important as the main quest

>>383327552
On the other end of the spectrum, bb has only a few weapons but they are much more interesting

>>383329649
Which one?

>first actual playthrough
>no guide
>only occasionally ask my friends for advice when I get stuck
>get to Sen's Fortress
>pretty intimidated as sneks are pushing my shit in and friend tells me that Blighttown is nothing compared to this
>get better weapon
>almost never fall for traps
>ezpz

>>383329858
well they have really unique movesets, and in fact two movesets per weapon

their strong attacks also actually feel good unlike dark souls 3's "deal +5% damage and maybe stagger your target if it has a specific weakness to it"

>>383329858
That's not lost on me

>>383329791
i accidentally did it my first playthrough.

>>383329779
Is that what the story was? It was so poorly designed I legit did not even know that. I thought he was just a king that grew hollow eventually and nashandra took advantage of him. Honestly still confused. Terrible story.

>>383328821
fucking blood gulch

>>383329927
>Sen's Fortress before blighttown on your first, blind playthrough

I have doubts regarding this, while not impossible

>>383326872
Don't even need the master key, just go through Darkroot forrest, to the halberd knight. Go through, and pass that miserable halfdead dragon thing.

Master key only saves you time ^^

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>>383330101
Read my post again. Sen's was after.

>>383330101
How is it even possible? Ringing both bells opens Sen's in the first place. Is there another way to open it?

>>383328316
>>383329305
>>383327794
Don't listen to him.
DS2 was my first as well and I thought it was easy compared to 1 and 3. Also, I think it's the worst.

>>383330207
I haven't played in forever but I think you can skip it by using the master key
Fuck me if I remember what the path is, though. Isn't it through... New Londo?

>>383326179
>>383326796
SHIT SOULS 3
>the most linear of all the games, even compared to DeS and BB
>nostalgiafag reference pandering out the ass
>rehashed characters
>Lowest Boss count after DeS
>Half the bosses are gimmicks
>Boss weapons shit as usual, despite having 4 games to draw experience from
>weapons in general are 90% quality based
>these quality weapons are also usually the best weapons in their class
>some weapons have retarded stat requirements where they don't even scale with said stats, which also happens to be quality
>armor system a horrible imbalanced mess
>the heaviest armors are the heaviest they have ever been in the series, while offering basically no additional defense over medium/light sets
>poise implemented in such a stupid way that only Greatswords and Maces get the most bang for the buck
>Some UGSs, GAs, and Hammers weigh more than entire armor sets
>Equip load is now done by VIT, which for some reason gives LESS per level than fucking dark souls 2
>Souls required to level up not adjusted for splitting stats into two
>a majority of the small weapons sped up to bloodborne speed, but some of the larger weapons have been made SLOWER and consume MORE STAMINA
>rolls cost next to nothing with extremely fast recovery and many iframes
>magic is garbage
>faith is garbage
>Too many useless fucking stats
>WAs are mostly just special r2s or powerstance moves copypasted with an explosion or two at the end
>MLGS is the worst its ever been
>awful covenants
>covenants are stickers which can be changed on the go
>shitty rewards
>Dragon form the worst its ever been in both aesthetic and practical sense
>community now filled with normies who hold hands with their SL 800 Friends to get through the game
>invaders have the most disadvantage compared to all other games in the series
>First DLC was a 1.5 hour long disappointment with a rehashed arena
>Second DLC had no end despite being the very last dark souls thing we'll get for the forseeable future

>>383330174
Those aren't fun, or strong. Also, poison everywhere. Have fun clearing out every single statue slowly every time you want to go farm a chunk. At that point it's much better to farm on villagers.

>>383330340
No. The 2nd bell is literally in blighttown.

It's a pretty amazing game. Sucks that so many contrarians try to shit on the series nowadays.

>>383330447
By skipping blighttown I mean skipping the aids-drenched scaffoldings with naked neanderthals

>>383329450
you can buy chunks fool

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>>383330392
These guys aren't tough or cool though. You can get them from the Floating Armors from the Iron King DLC who are tough and cool though.

>>383330646
Only 10 before beating Nashandra, the FINAL BOSS in Vanilla

Should I bother finishing das2
The last time I tried reaching the end I got ass aids from the giants in one of the memories, cleared the memories, got assraped by the bad dragon cock, killed vendrick but it felt absolutely unrewarding

I don't even remember where I'm at, most likely need to kill Nashandra, then dlcs.

You know what? I'm gonna do that right now. My build is most likely terrible but fuck that.

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>>383330364
>nostalgiafag reference pandering out the ass
Not an argument
>rehashed characters
Name one.
>Lowest Boss count after DeS
Quality over quantity
>Half the bosses are gimmicks
I think you got this confused with DaS2
>weapons in general are 90% quality based
You mean like DaS
>some weapons have retarded stat requirements
Wat.jpg
>a majority of the small weapons sped up to bloodborne speed
But in return less damage
>magic is garbage
>faith is garbage
Not an argument
>awful covenants
Did you even play the first DaS
>Dragon form the worst its ever been in both aesthetic and practical sense.
Fashion souls or what?
>shitty rewards
Extra souls and its own soul which you can turn into a weapon
>community now filled with normies
Not an argument
Sorry but I just dont feel like actually reading all that shit

>>383331334
I platinumed this shit and I will never ever go back to it.
Feels good somehow

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>>383330316
DS2 was my first
N E O / V /
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>>383330070
[spoilers]ocelotte?[/spoilers]

>>383323806
If you use the drake sword in the beginning it's pretty good.
You can one hit most enemies and shit.
But it's just a place holder until you get higher stats.

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>>383323806
>I can buy SOTFS
Dont do it, its not worth the money man and time

>>383333030
Drake sword is never needed.
The claymore you get on the bridge does more damage upgraded to +5

>>383333297
I don't like greatswords

>>383334024
Then upgrade literally any straight sword.
Or get the Uchi from killing the merchant

>>383334024
Best straightsword is the silverknights, easy find, just a hint there's loot in a fireplace located at anor londo

>>383331550

DaS3 has the worst enemy variety in the series.

>high wall
Generic boring zombies and knights.
>undead settlement
More zombies but with peasant clothing.
>road of sacrifices
Shittier stupid callback enemies to crow demons from DaS1, more boring zombies but now with sticks, and uhh giant crabs lol.
>farron keep
Shitty crawling slugs, rehashed enemies from previous games, and boring cliche goatmen.
>cathedral of the Deep
More zombies, more knights, and some gimmicky maggot retards. Oh and don't forget the rehashed slimes from DaS1!
>catacombs
Generic skeletons.
>smoldering lake
Rehashed enemies from previous areas and some cliche goat demons.
>irithyll
More zombies and knights.
>irithyll dungeon
Shittier mindflayers and some crawling shit mobs.
>Profaned capital
MEMBER GARGOYLES!!!?!!
>anor londo
Rehashed enemy from DaS1.
>lothric castle
Not a single new enemy introduced. All enemies are from high wall even though this area is majorly important.
>consumed garden
Literal poop monsters that you can only with fire.
>untended graves
Rehashed enemies from previous areas.
>grand archives
Reskinned Deacons but with candles on their heads.
>archdragon peak
Annoying shittier snakemen from DaS1.
>painted world
More knights, more shitty corvians aka demon crow ripoffs and some reskinned dog wolves.
>dreg heap
Shitty DaS2 tier crawling zombies and more tedious fat knight enemies.
>ringed city
More zombies and knights and some dumb grasshoppers at the end.

>>383334271
I don't kill npcs.
I don't upgrade weapons i'll drop
I usually just use the drake sword until i can buy the uchi in blightown.
>>383334670
that's not the beginning of the game.

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>>383334737
(You)
Still better than DaS2 any day though

>>383334670
I thought it was Balder Straight Sword.

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>>383323924
>>383334886
Op literally said hes finished with blighttown, next big stop is anor londo if I remember correctly.

>>383331334
Yes, and do all 3 DLC. Get it out of your system and never return.

>>383334670
>there's loot in a fireplace located at anor londo
what

>>383334886
well thats your problem
i just said that its not needed

>>383335427
you'll see just make sure to check the fireplaces

>>383335734
fuck off

>>383335238
I'm in the second part of darkroot garden then I'm going to sens fortress. That squid dude appreared at firelink but I didn't talk to him yet

>>383325860
I just really love the creative builds. DaS3 feels better in terms of controlling your character but god damn are builds simplistic as fuck.

>>383335238
What's your point?
You do realize blightown can be the first major area in the game if you want, right?

I am playing sotfs again. I eliminated the pursuer +1 solo with a bastard sword +0 right after killing his 0 version. so many hits to kill the fucker, jesus christ

>>383331550
>Name one.
Andre, dude

>>383328316
suck my cock, shaggy poster

>>383331550
>>magic is garbage
>>faith is garbage
>Not an argument
consider suicide

>>383334972

Allow me to sum up Dark Souls 3 for you:

>Member Artorias? here's abysswatchers!
>Member Oolacile and blightown? Here they are in one area!
>Member Pinwheel? Here he is as a sage, twice!
>Member congregation? Here it is even worse!
>Member Bloodborne? Here's a entire village with copy-pasted bloodborne assets.
>Member the catacombs? Here's some more catacombs
>Member Izalith? Here it is with some of the exact same enemies
>Member Black Knights?
>Member Silver Knights?
>Member AnorLondo?
>Member Darkmoon invasions? Haha just kidding, theres no BEO
>Member Gwyndolin? here he is.
>Member Priscilla? Heres a QT 3.14 version of her.
>Member Yuria the witch? Here's a copy of her.
>Member Tower of Latria? Here's the same level
>Member Giant Lord and Storm King? Here a fight with both of them!
>Member the Hellfire Drake? Here's two drakes!
>Member Ornstein?
>Member the Astral Clocktower from TOH?
>Member Kiln of the First FLame?
>MEMBER GWYN?

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>>383334737
>This copypasta
>Again
Holy shit

Are weebsswords OP?
I feel like playing with them is easy mode.

>>383337719
>Dark Souls 2 fans spend all day reposting the same copypastas over and over and over and over again instead of playing "the best game in da series :D"
Really makes you think.

>>383338371
DS3 has very little original content.

Souls vet here, this is my take on things as someone who has obsessively played the shit out of DeS and DaS1 since their respective launches on PS3.

Concepts:

>New Firelink Shrine (DaS3) == The Nexus (DeS)
The resemblance is fucking stunning if you've ever played DeS. Lord Thrones are in the exact same alignment that the archstones are, surrounding where you spawn in, with multiple levels of height within the area accessible by curved staircases.

>Lothric Castle (DaS3) == Boletaria Castle (DeS)
You start the game here, and the climax of the game is here (fighting twin princes/false king allant).

>Karla (DaS3) == Yuria the Witch (DeS)
Karla teaches forbidden hex magic/miracles/pyromancies that channel the power and rage of the abyss, Yuria the Witch teaches forbidden magic that channel the power and rage of demon souls.

> Stormruler (DaS3) == Storm Ruler (DeS)
Used to take down mighty foes with a legendary sword found in the corresponding boss arenas. Yhorm and the Storm King are basically the same type of "puzzle boss" until you find the sword.

Mechanics:

> FP (DaS3) == MP (DeS)
Literally the same exact shit.

> Rolling
Functions the same exact way as DeS, because med rolling was buffed so fucking hard that the difference between fast roling and med rolling is so small that staying right under the fat roll minimum is required for every build.

Case-in-point, DaS3 is super fucking stale for veterans who have been with the series since DeS in 2009/2010. It's literally because the game is around 50% recycled DaS content, 30% recycled DeS content, 10% recycled bloodborne content, and 10% original content.

>>383323806

>using a guide

Filthy casual

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>playing dark souls
Why waste the time playing such a broken, shitty game?

>>383338781
>Karla (DaS3) == Yuria the Witch (DeS)
Same voice actress too

>>383339289
Literally nothing wrong in that webm.

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>doing the achievements
>both chaos and fire upgrade achievements require red titanite slabs
>only 1 red titanite slab can be found in the game
>have to farm the 2 chaos eaters to get the other one

I think I would've gotten it faster if I just finished it and got the second slab on NG+

>>383325893
You're not allowed to post that!

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>>383339289
>Mouse on screen
>Wooden shield
>Rolling backwards when the enemy is lunging the weapon forwards
Almost as good as the one where Andre is dead by a Soliare with a drake sword.

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>>383323806
So, now what the dust has settled, who was right? Pate or Creighton?

What do you guys think?

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Ignore those shit games, post your favorite DS1 meme.

>>383338965
I played DaS when it was released on xbox 360 blindly. It took me a while to understand the mechanics and i had no idea that i could summon for a long time.

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>>383340098
this one is my favorite ds1 meme

>>383339289
>B-but rolling makes you immortal!
Only if you know how to do it, faggot.

>>383340001
Creighton because he's cuter

>>383340309
that was dumb as fuck

>>383340001
If Creighton didn't betray you at the end, he would be in the right.

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>>383340823
obligatory

>>383340151

On my first playthrough I killed the first merchant, and thought I could "sell" all the shit I found so I picked up every single thing enemies dropped, I also distributed evenly the points you get by leveling, when I reached Anor Londo I realized I couldn't keep going with the mess I had made so I rerolled.

I know some people don't get it, but the best way to play a game is blindly, otherwise you will end up with an empty shell of a game.

>>383323806
>reading any game guide instead of playing the game and figuring it out for yourself
This is where you went wrong, OP.

>>383340917
I agree with you. Games are much more fun if you discover new things by yourself. Making mistakes is part of it.

>>383340917
>first playthrough
>hated being poisoned
>rerolled and put resist to 20
>still got poisoned really fucking fast
>still got 1 shotted by havel

And that's when I went back to my original character and just stocked up on moss clumps.

>>383324746
>It's pretty clear where to go and when
You are so full of shit. the fucking locked door which leads to the rest of the game gives no indication whatsoever that it is important.

I played them in order of release (Except Demon Souls and Bloodborne) and I can easily agree that Dark Souls 2 is utter dog shit.

Instead of actually developing good arenas and enemies, they just throw in a ton of the same enemy in one room so you can't do jack shit except roll away and maybe swat at one before repeating. Rat King Authority is one of the worst because instead of just making the boss harder, they throw in four tiny fuckers at you just so the boss has time to fuck you over.

Then you have the fact that most of the enemies and bosses are boring as hell. They are all humanoid, or just a variation of a knight. Most of the bosses just look like your generic "BIG OL BOY OH NO!" boss.

The levels are also terrible. Most of them are just bland, disgusting looking corridors with very little detail, or just some cheesy overdone environment.

How ANYONE can favor Dark Souls 2 over the others is beyond me. They must be retarded, or were part of the massive wave of casuals who flooded in from Dark Souls 2 "LOL SO DIFFICULT XD" marketing strategy.

Where Dark Souls 1 and 3 were difficult as to give you a sense of progression and accomplishment, Dark Souls 2 is only difficult just to BE difficult.

>>383341864
Which door are you talking about?

>>383340917
>but the best way to play a game is blindly

True, but what benefit does obscuring core game mechanics like stats, scaling and weapon upgrading have? Learning from your mistakes is one thing, having to restart when you're half way through because the game doesn't explain shit to you is another.

>>383342018
the one that leads to lower undeadburg.
and then to blight town.
the one at the end of the drake bridge?

>>383342227
Basement Key Description:
"Opens the narrow passage leading below
at the far face of the great bridge in
the Undead Burg.

The lower Undead Burg is a treacherous place.
Do not turn your back on the wily thieves, or
the wild dogs who serve the Capra Demon."

>>383342227
I'd say item descriptions, but the majority of players barely read them, I suppose.

>>383342072
Pretty sure there's always been a Help button for information on what stats do, and you can see exactly how level ups will benefit your character before you finalize them.
Scaling was very simple to understand once I got a weapon that didn't scale and noticed it had no scaling letters. Even before I knew exactly how it worked, the level-up screen clearly told me that increasing Str was upping my weapon damage.
Upgrading your weapon also pretty clearly tells you how your weapon will grow in strength. I don't really like how you had to find embers for basic weapons in 1 though.

I think a lot of people miss that the game's UI screens literally have a Help button.

>>383342415
>>383342391
Too focused to ringing the bell of awakeing to remember I picked up a key in the first place.

But my point isn't the key but rather the completely unremarkable door.

>>383327130
this is what I did on my first playthrough. Never even considered touching any other sword until NG+ and that was the BKGS, but even that felt off. The only thing that managed to substitute it was gwin's sword. same moveset except the strong swing, more damage.

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This shit was the only good thing to come out of DS2

>>383342750
It's locked, that should be enough to make you want to open it.
Something about getting the most out of Souls is getting into the mindset that if something exists, you should be interested in exploring it. I recently finished 3 as a veteran of the series and every single time I found a locked door I'd burn it into my memory.

>>383323806

>>383343194

>>383325893
Imagine being so pathetic that you tirelessly scour an imageboard for relevant threads just so you can shill for a 3 year old game.

>>383330392
Statues only respawn if you leave the area or quit game. You can farm those guys as much as you want without worrying about poison.

>>383325893
>soul memory
DS2 is broken by design garbage

>>383323806
dude Nice

>>383330364
>muh linear games are bad meme

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I just started Dark Souls 1 for the first (second) time today and I already like it less than Demon's Souls

>>383323806
Are you the same fucker who didn't understand why using the drake word would fuck you in the long run?

>>383327130
Black Knight weapons are a dumb idea desu, at least it being possible to get them so early on.

I guess finding twinkling titanite is difficult but they still hit twice as hard as their regular counterparts at base level.

I need to make a new character in 3 to play the dlc since I lost my file. Did they ever improve magic or miracles or is it just quality or bust still?

>>383341970
>first time I'm playing darksouls cause SOTFS is on sale
>everyone just fucking screaming about how bad it is

Well fuck me right? I thought this was how Dark Souls was supposed to be. Get good faggot. it should be like megaman, memorize the level and the enemy placements and your strategy, or die like the casual you are. Are you telling me DS2 is the hardest? I killed smelter on my 2nd try, and that supposedly the hardest boss in the game. How bad are you guys?

Which Oolacile bonfire is most comfy and why is it not townshit?

>>383343827
smelter will literally walk right off the stage and kill himself if you dodge his first attack

>>383326179
>rewards slow reaction times
???
I'd rather have a game NOT reward reaction time since it isn't a skill, it's literally just a biological function.

A game that's slower rewards good strategical thinking with well timed attacks and heals.

Meanwhile DS3 is literally just "roll 3 times away and have shit tons of stamina." and "heal instantly and free so you have to ban it for fights to be fun."

>>383343827
smelter demon is a scrub filter yeah, there are harder bosses in the game particularly the DLCs.

>>383344098
Actually, I love that you brought this up. So you're saying that no matter what, reaction time can't be improved through practice? That's pretty goddamn interesting. I would mean that certain people have a proclivity for stuff that requires fast reaction time. I know that pro CS players have disgusting reaction time, way faster than the average person.

I've only played DS2, but it seems like its really NOT that difficult to dodge like 90 percent of bosses. They telegraph for MILES. Once you die a couple times, you shouldn't die any more. But I guess it has to do with playstyle.

>>383344546
Most bosses in DaS2 are a joke, some are excellent though.

Darklurker is one of the best designed in the series imo, it's a pure test of patience and concentration.

>>383344546
Dodging in Souls is more about timing than reaction time. What gets most people is that they fear an attack and dodge too early, or they start to panic and dodge constantly and lose their sense of timing all-together. Almost none of my deaths are because I didn't react in time.

>>383345056
>>383344941
what i find to be enjoyable game design wise is that there's tons of audio queues that i think people don't even think about or pay attention to. Sometimes when you're in the zone you can just absolutely stomp a boss. I've had times where i struggled for a bit, got angry, and then just aced the boss without getting hit once.

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>>383344941
>when someone tells me Darklurker is impossible with only melee
>mfw ironclad with demon great hammer

>>383329860
not the dude you responded to, but for some fucking reason there is a UGS called greatsword. at +10 it has S str scaling

Welcome to Earfbound

>>383323806
>SOTFS
I stared at this for like ten seconds trying to understand what it meant and somehow I ended up on
>Symphony of the Fucking Stone
before I realized it was DSII

>>383340001
Creighton never tricks you and the trap goes off on the chest either way, so who's to say it was him that set it? Cr8 every time.

>>383330392
I've been playing through 2 bc of the humble bundle and did blood gulch this morning in literally 30 minutes, tedious but an easy area. Earthen Peak was far more tedious, other areas so far I have liked for the most part

>>383345441
>Got angry
This works startlingly well, especially for the faster-paced DaS3 and BB. BB almost required it of me sometimes for the harder bosses. Fear and hesitation are your worst enemies and cold, determined aggression destroys feelings like those.

>>383345557
Wait really? Greatsword goes to S?

Where the FUCK CAN I FIND TITANITE CHUNKS IN THIS GAME. FUUUUUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.

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I just, at long last, got around to fighting Queen Yharnham.

First of all, that was a great fight. She had an insane mixture of False Allant, Pinwheel, Kalameet, Quelana, and a sprinkler system.

Second of all, that was not worth the fucking tedium of getting to her.

>>383327673
At the end of the sentence you mean?

>>383345441
There are queues with many normal enemies too. People complain about getting flurried to death by heide knights for example when it's actually a counter attack hinted at by them changing to a subtle defensive looking stance. There's a ton of depth to how AI works in that game that people just bruteforce through.

>>383340972
My first ever invasion twink was so much fun.

I invaded Blighttown constantly, right before the bottom bonfire.

>>383323806
>Guide
>Drake sword
>Farmimg souls
Kys

>>383346104
just progress through the game. the qt stone vendor stocks certain titanite at certain points

>>383346262
I camped out in Blighttown for a while with a Dragonslayer Greatbow. Fun times.

>>383346104
You know most greatswords don't go to S in 2 because str scales much harder than dex right? 40 str with a C is still going to have more AR than 40 dex with an S almost every time.

Started playing Dark Souls last week. I don't get why people call it "HARDEST GAME EVER MADE XDDD, i'm so hardcore cuz I play this game".

>>383346562
Not bad. I just ran around flipping with a skirt and Domhall's Mask and a Lightning +10 Morningstar

>>383346578
This
>>383346104
Most Str weapons have Cs/Bs Because usually strength weapons are slower, and hav ehigher base damage, right?
Damage scales based off of base damage, so the letters are lower.

>>383346937
I never liked bringing those superpowered instantkill murderweapons to melee invasions. I enjoyed the struggle and the chase way more than the kill. Un-upgraded Claws were a staple. When my first Dragonslayer shot missed and my victim started to visibly panic, those were the best invasions by far.

>>383346578
Is it worth going past 40 STR?

I'm a noob, help me. I like medium heavy armor and I love greatswords. I used to be a bastard sword fag but I'm enjoying mastodon paired with my vengarl's, draenic chest, and alva legs+ hands. Looking to finish the pate questline to get the crit gloves.

Help me, I'm a retarded noob.

>>383347534
Not really. That's when diminishing returns start. If an extra 1-2 points of AR per level instead of 4-5 sounds good then go for it, but generally your shit is better spent elsewhere if you're going for a level cap

>>383347534
Only if you have an S scaling ultra/hammer or something, like my FUGS build has 50 STR.

Bare in mind END can be more important than VIG, don't need health if you have the stamina to dodge everything.

>>383347384
Well, fair enough, to each their own.

>>383348160
Yea I already stopped after vigor hit soft cap around the 20s. I realize its not really that important. I've been stacking endurance now. I'll probably re-allocate my stats for NG+ but I'm not sure exactly what to go. Is the heavy STR heavy club build still retarded? I heard you can double hit stuff and stunlock almost everything with stone ring.

How fucked over is the Loyce Sword by being a DEX weapon? Like you don't get the full benefit from the Flynn+RoB combo from DEX weapons

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>>383323806

>>383348368
Nah heavy weapons are the most fun way to play the game, once you get the hang of spacing you can stomp everything in your way. The only enemies I know of with absurd poise are the Sanctum knights, they don't flinch at anything.

>>383348875
Do you play well in pvp? In dark souls 2 i feel like heavy weapons guys are the easiest to kill.
In the third game i had a hard time fighting them, tho.

>>383349371
They're terrible in PvP for the most part, the FUGS is top tier though because its special attack has block frames meaning you can't be stunned mid swing. 360 degree free aim too, fantastic weapon.

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>>383323806
>mfw anal rodeo archers on my virgin run

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>>383341353

I've always hated seeing other people play for that reason, me and my cosuins finished Super Mario 64 together, when I got to play it by myself I knew the exact location of every single star and red coin, I enjoy that game a lot, but it could have been better.

>>383341692

I stopped playing for more than a week after I was cursed by those googly eyed motherfuckers.

>>383342072

Like >>383342616 said, the only thing that doesn't tell you is how effective your current build is, that's up to you.

And the second playtrhough is a breeze, that's one more thing I love about Dark Souls, it encourages you to git gud. It's not an elitist ideology, it's just the way the game develops when you play it.

>>383329491
Fuck dude.

>>383343673
Demon's Souls is easier to look back on for me because the levels all are large with the same theme so each Archstone feels fleshed out.

DaS1 once you play it enough feels like a series of tiny interconnected rooms with varying themes in comparison.

>>383330125
Don't even need Darkroot. Just kill the dude in New Londo to get the key to the seal, then enter Valley of the Drakes from there.

This lets you skip Taurus without the Master Key, too.

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>>383324979
Who hurt you, anon?

>>383328316
Not baiting or anything, that's legitimately what happened.

>>383329649
The Greatsword isn't a Greatsword.

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>>383337181
>Andre
>Andre
Not him but Andre is one of four sons of a nameless blacksmith
Come the fuck on anon

>>383323806
>mfw fell for the Drake sword meme
at this point you're just a fucking faggot. stop trying to pretend about anything else.

>>383326872
>skipping a zone of average difficulty
get good dude!!!

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Is this the coolest attack of any boss in the series?

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i almost fucked my self over by putting 8 points into resistance but i bounced by by griding out 200,000 souls from the sliver knights in anor londo
isnt wasnt fun m8
but know i have 24 vaitality 23 endurence 32 strength and 18 dexterity

>>383340001
Regardless of who was right, Creighton was the one who won

>>383323806
>tfw i fell for the dark souls is good meme

>>383340001
Creighton sounds insane. I don't think he is right in the head.
Pate was a chill dude.

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>>383353764
Played some more and this is exactly how I'm starting to feel. I still like DaS1 but it just doesn't feel as though it knew what it was going for like DeS did also it's laggy as fuck on PS3

>>383323806
Glad you're having fun, I beat the game like 18 times.
Its one of my favourites.

>>383331550
>rehashed characters
Andre, seigward (of course he's a fucking rehash he even does the "hmm, hmmm") and tell me any way that the fire keeper is different from the emerald herald

>>383356347
Sure but for people who don't spend hours watching vaati, he looks, acts, sounds, and interacts with the same as the first game, for truly no reason except to pander for nostalgia

They could have put in any blacksmith at all, literally any of them and it would have accomplished the same thing, but they just fucking had to reuse the same fucking guy from the first game

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this is your emerad herald for tonight. Say something nice about her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtYcw1QXKYs